Mamá de Sara Sofía CONFIESA desde la Cárcel porque NUNCA se encontró cuerpo de la NIÑA DESAPARECIDA

El 30 de marzo del 2019, nació esta hermosa princesita, Sara Sofía Galván. Ojos azules como el cielo, cabello rubio, una niña que, quien la conociera, inmediatamente se enamoraba de ella. and immediately fell in love with her. She was already seven years old. How would Sarah Sophia, seven years old, look, Carolina? How would you imagine her?

With her long hair, very beautiful, yes, because, as you just said, Sarah Sophia, a very beautiful, yes, because as you just said, yes, it was Sofia, a very beautiful girl, she had very beautiful hair, her color, brown, her blue eyes, practically not even noticing the cheekbones that she has, that is, it is very impressive that I, being a dark-skinned woman, was going to have such a beautiful daughter.

That's all like the creation of God.

How long have you been in prison?

On March 17, I have been serving 5 years.

How long for a sentence?

42 years.

42 years for?

For the crime of disappearance.

Forced disappearance? Aggravated?

Some say no, but others say yes, because it's with a minor crime.

And we are here in the jail of the good pastor in Bogota. Who was Sara Sofía's father?

The father was also a blue-eyed monkey, tall, he fixed washing machines, blenders, and everything related to household appliances. He was in charge of everything, and that was his job.

Have you had any contact with him?

Since I've been here, I've never had any contact with him. The last time I saw him was before what happened to Sara Sofía. How did you meet him? He went to fix a washing machine in the house and that's when I met him. And how long did you stay with him? We were going to be together for two months until I found out he had a wife and was married. And that's when it all ended. ¿Saliendo con él cuánto tiempo? Ibamos a cumplir dos meses hasta que me enteré que tenía mujer y estaba casado, pues ya hasta ahí ya terminó todo.

Y ahí quedaste embarazada.

Uh-huh.

¿Y él supo que tú estabas embarazada? Él sí me había visto embarazada, pero nunca le manifesté que es hija de él. ¿Y te dijo algo? No, nunca me manifestó nada. I never said anything. She didn't even take responsibility for it? No. Did you tell her that you were his daughter? No, I didn't. But when he saw her, did he say anything?

Did he say anything to you? No, not at all. He never said anything to me. He was just quiet, but we didn't talk about anything, not the girl, not anything at all. And the girl is born. What did you do? I was living with my uncle, my uncle's wife and my stepdaughter.

They found out about it when they were 7 months old. They found out that I was pregnant. I continued to take care of the girl I was taking care of, the girl who was actually much older than me. I was taking care of her, and she was pregnant. I was taking care of her, and I was pregnant. Well, I continued to take care of the girl I was taking care of,

who by the way was much older than me. Because at the time I was 18 and she was 26.

And why did you take care of her?

The girl was disabled, she was disabled, so she needed the care of another person to be able to do things.

And from there, Sara Sofía grew.

From there, when I started contracting, at 10 in the morning on Saturday, March 30, 2019, my sister's mother-in-law was the one who took me to the hospital in Kenya, where the girl was born.

And when you saw her, what did you feel?

Well, at first I thought, well, like a monkey, I thought they had changed her, right? But, well, since I also have a monkey father, my great-grandmother had blue eyes, so the father is also a monkey,

so it was obvious that they were going to be monkeys too, because I had a Mona family.

How old were you?

18 years old until now.

18 years old.

At that time, yes.

And you kissed Sophia.

Yes.

And what did you feel?

At that moment, I felt a lot of joy, because I thought that she was going to change my life, that she was going to give her what I didn't have. Because that was my dream, my desire. Even when my grandmother found out that I was pregnant, my son told me, just give her an adoption. But at that moment I said no.

They told you to give her an adoption. Yes. Also, many people, when they saw her, they also wanted me to give her to them. Everyone was attached to her. And why didn't you give her to them in adoption? Why not?

Because I wanted to get her out of there, but unfortunately, the story went in a different direction.

You already told me a little more about how Sara Sofía

y me decías hace unos segundos lo que yo no tuve. Yo no tuve nunca la muerte de una madre, que yo creciese. Mi mamá me abandonó cuando tenía ocho años y así me tocó crecer, siendo todavía una niña, así me tocó estar al I was still a little girl. I had to take care of my grandmother, who was already an adult. I took care of my father. He was there, but at the same time he wasn't. He would go, get drunk, and come back the next day.

I never had a family like that. I never had that family. My mother died when I was eight years old. I never had a family like that. I never had that family. My mom and dad, when I was 8 years old, I never had a mother. That's how I grew up.

Where were you born?

I was born in Puerto Berriba, Antioquia, on June 30, 2000.

And how old were you when you arrived in Bogotá? At 17 years old. And you had been in Bogotá for a year when you got pregnant.

And now, continue telling me about those first months with Sara Sofía. Well, at the time, since I was taking care of the baby, being a first-time mother, I still didn't have the knowledge of being able to get up, so my sister's mother-in-law was in charge of the diet and taking care of the girl while I was recovering well from the diet. She was the one who was there, because I hardly know Bogotá, very well, let's say, because she was the one who accompanied me to the medical appointments.

She, come on, my daughter, I take her to bathe the girl, come on, I mean, if but since I didn't have a job either, I helped my sister's mother-in-law, helping her organize the house and everything, and she helped me with the girl too. And I was there, I was there, I helped her, I helped her organize the house, and I helped her organize the house, and I helped her organize the house, and I helped her organize the house, and I helped her organize the house, and I helped her organize the house, and I helped her because I didn't have a job. I helped my sister's mother-in-law with organizing the house.

She helped me with the daughter too. She was practically like a grandmother to her.

And she kept growing. As she grew, the people who saw her fell in love with her.

Yes, they fell in love. At that moment, I was like, give her to me. They said, give her to me, give her to me. Why don't you give her to me? I said, why would I give her to you? So, I said no.

When she was younger, I had to be more careful because my sister's mother-in-law, because I was in that situation, and they even told me that I had postpartum trauma. So, they were making sure that I wouldn't react aggressively with the girl. But it wasn't because I wanted to, but because of some condition that was causing it. So, they were taking care of the girl, they helped me, they looked for a way to... because my breasts hurt so much when I breastfed her,

so they were very... they looked for anything so that the pain wouldn't be so strong. At what point did your sister Xiom se hace cargo de Sara Sofía? Eso fue un problema porque cuando yo tomo la decisión de quedarme con la señora, mi hermana, pues mi tío, eso mejor dicho, no le gustó para nada porque yo tenía que supuestamente regresarme a cuidar a la muchacha cuando estando en la dieta, entonces que me iban a cuidar la niña. La esposa de él la mantiene trabajando y él no iba a poder hacerse cargo de la niña, entonces no me iba a poder colaborar con la niña.

Entonces eso fue, mi abuela no le gustó, a mi otra tía tampoco y eso se formó eso. Otro poquito más terminó otra vez hospitalizada y mi doña Ana, pues la suegra de mi hermana and that was a little bit more, I ended up being hospitalized again and my mother-in-law, my sister's mother-in-law, her name is Anarita she talked to them to not keep attacking me because I wasn't doing too well either, I was still very delicate so she... so at the end, it was like everything paused

they already decided that I wasn't going to come back, that I was going to stay with my sister's mother-in-law

and...

well, and it turns out that I stayed there, a day later And well, I arrived at my mom's house. Where you were. Where I was living. Well, and at first it was very good, it was very good to be there with them. And at the end, after about two or three months, my sister started to bother me, to annoy me. I couldn't talk to anyone because she was following me all the time, putting people to tell me what she was doing, what she wasn't doing,

where she was going, what she was doing. You were there with Sara, Sofia, in the same house? Yes. que hacía. Tú estabas ahí con Sara, Sofía, en la misma casa. Sí, bueno la niña ya después cuando ya la niña ingresó, ya estaba un poquito más grandecita, ya tenía, ya iba a cumplir el añito, la ingresamos al jardín, ahí cerquita de la casa, la ingresamos al jardín, por parte del jardín pues le daban un mercadito y todo. Then, as the days went by,

they started, from the garden, they started giving her a bonus, and she had to go and claim that bonus, take that bonus back to the nursery. I mean, not in silver, but she had to buy things in the nursery for the value of the bonus. Well, with that she bought things for the girl.

At what point does your sister stay to take care of the girl?

She was already a year and a half old when she stayed with the girl. But I didn't form custody because legally I had custody. And she stays with the girl and what happens to you? Well I left the house. I had nowhere to live, I had to sleep on the street.

And where did you go?

Well, since I didn't know anyone, I stayed close to the bar.

And what did you do?

I was looking for a job, but no bakery or restaurant,, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no,, before that, when I finished the class, I had to go to the bathroom again.

What do you mean you had to go to the bathroom again?

That time was worse because I had a knife and everything. Sometimes they would pick up a knife and I would not let go.

And why again? The first time was?

The first time they started touching me was my cousin. It was the first time. I was 10 years old. The second time was when I was 13 years old, which was a brother of my grandfather. It was the second time. The third time was when they took my mother away.

It was an uncle of mine. And then, then it was also, at 20 years old, I was already 20 years old, so I was already on the street, around 1 in the morning, I sent those guys there, I kept selling everything,

and I also took care of a parking lot, some cars, I also ended up f***ing up.

Did you smoke?

No.

And when did you meet Nilsson Diaz? One day, he approached me with his four children and told me No. He said, I pay you to take care of my children. I needed money to buy things for my daughter, even though I received money from the government, but I also needed a place to spend the night and sleep. At one point I said yes, but I didn't know how. At one point I didn't have the minority to do it. In the end, he didn't do it to pay me, but to help me. Tell us about that.

He took me to the house so I could have a relationship with him. The first day, when I entered the house, it started to touch. At that moment, I was very shy, but I kept insisting on touching it all the time. Several days later, he had a problem with the owner of the apartment where he lived, because he also lived there in Rome. So the owner of the apartment told him to look for another apartment where to live.

Well, he looked for the apartment in the neighborhood of El Clas, there near Rome. apartamento donde vivir pues el busco el apartamento en el barrio el class mas ahi cerquita de roma y a lo ultimo como que ya como a los varios días de haber sacado de haber mudado para la nueva casa el me dice que tengo que conseguir plata que tengo que trabajar pero yo en el momento como no tengo experiencia en nada y en ningún lado me daba trabajo pues yo le digo entonces donde voy a I didn't think about anything, and no one gave me a job anywhere. So I said, where am I going to get a job?

At the time, I said, well, and where? And I said, how am I going to do something like that? At no time have I ever done something like that. I mean, sleeping with men for money, I had never did it. I never did it, having sex with men for money. Maybe I would have liked it, but for money.

And you started doing it?

I didn't have another alternative. Where did you do it? Well, at the time, I would go around the neighborhood, all the time.

Your body.

Yes, at the time, I demanded that I had to make at least $6,000. I can tell you that I'm still starting. And I would get there with $30,000. I didn't want to, at the time, I would go around and do nothing, the stupid thing at the time, like I didn't do anything, but I would just talk.

I didn't do anything. When I got home, I would scream, I would be mistreated. What was I doing on the street? Why didn't I do what I was supposed to do? And that was life. After a while, I started to manipulate myself with a gun, a gun, and a gun, and a gun. And I, well, obviously, I had never raised a gun before.

Once I saw a gun, which was the voting gun that my brother-in-law gave him, from the police, that day, and when I saw it, I got scared. But he was manipulating me with a gun, with his gun, he had his gun, and I... He had a goat leg there, close gun and I had a goat's foot there close. He had a goat's foot, a knife. A knife, as they call it. Well, at the moment, I had to do what he said because he kept manipulating me with that. Well,

and several times I got pissed off, already seeing him. He yelled at me, would treat me very badly, he would tell me that he was going to consume, that is, he was also putting me to use, also behind my back, putting me to use. And he would say, and at the end, when the problem with the girl came up, he would take me out of class. El momento me saca la casa. Vamos a lo de la niña.

Tú estabas con él. ¿Y por qué volviste a donde tu hermana por la niña?

Eso fue como el 15 de enero. Estaba ya recién, ya se había, en el suelo se había ya recién mudado de la, a la otra apartamento. Y le dije... 2021. Del 2021, sí. Yo voy a la niña y paso una hora y media con ella. I went to visit her, I asked for her subsidies, I bought her things, and I spent an hour and

a half with her. I came back to her, and after 8 days I came back again, and I was in the hospital for a week. I was in the hospital for a week, and I was in the hospital for a week, and I was in the hospital for a week, and I was in the hospital for a week, and I was in the hospital for a I went to visit the girl and everything. I spent an hour and a half with her. I came back to her.

At 8 days I came back again because he wouldn't let me go visit the girl constantly. I talked to my sister's mother-in-law. At the time, my sister's mother-in-law was not in Bogotá. She was already in Hacienda. I told her, I told her that I wanted to be with the girl. She said, yes, go with the girl. At that moment, I was going to return her

like three days later, but at that moment there was a curfew and no one could leave the house. I couldn't return her.

And then?

It turns out that the man took advantage of the fact that I couldn't return the girl, he started to get me and not return her. Explain that to me girl, he started to get me and not to return her. He started to manipulate me. He said, don't return the girl, don't return the girl because they will take her away from you. Don't return the girl. The girl didn't have my sister,

nor did she have custody, nor will the mother-in-law have legal custody of the girl. And in this family, I could get there at any moment and take her away. me la podía llegar en un momento y llevársela. Nilsson comienza a presionarte para que no devuelvas a la niña a donde te armaron. Por eso no la regrese, o sea, no la regrese porque él empezó a meterme presión y a meterme presión, o la regrese, no la regrese, pues yo en el momento no, o sea, yo no sabía I returned it or I didn't copy it. What do I do? That's when I couldn't return it. But it wasn't my intention to stay with the girl

because at the time, I mean, I didn't know how I was going to return it. Yes? But at the time, the touch, the touch, I couldn't leave the house, I took the girl

and I didn't want to risk it with the girl outside on the street, the police saw me, I didn't want to risk it with her. What happened to your daughter? I stayed with my daughter. I would tell her, I would tell Mara

that my daughter was okay, that she was okay. One day, after I saw my daughter, I told her to come back to my house. Come back to my house. I went to claim another knife in the South Timas, another silver, I went to claim and I left the girl for a moment with him. When he calls me on the cell phone, he tells me the girl fell, she has a purple eye.

I say, but how so? I mean, I take, I withdraw the money quickly, I go back home, when I get there the girl had her eyes purple. I explained to her what I saw. She was entangled with a board on the floor. But the girl was alive?

Yes. And what happened next? Well, the girl lost her purple eyes. Thank God, she didn't lose her eyes to adults. It was just the purple. and she gave birth to her baby boy. Thank God, she didn't give birth to any older ones, she didn't lose her eye. She only gave birth to her baby boy.

She gave birth to her baby boy. The girl was fine. She ate normally. She was fine.

And what happened with the girl?

The girl, one day, I went out with the girl. He was going to visit his children's aunt. I went with my daughter to the neighborhood near the square. The aunt of the children lived there.

We went there and he left the house outside. He couldn't enter, he only went in to visit his aunt and children. I stayed there, I didn't have anything to buy. I didn't have anything to buy for my daughter, she already ate salt and everything.

She was about two years old?

Yes, she was about to añitos. Y entonces? Yo no tenía, yo creo que le doy de comer a la niña, no tengo plata. O sea, bueno, un señor ahí me dijo, me dijo, tú venga, pases. Le dice a la empleada que estaba y le dice, por favor, dele todo lo que ella pida.

Yo pedí un pollo, comimos unos jugos y con eso comimos, I asked for a chicken, we ate some juices and with that we ate. That a man gave us. Well, with that we ate, I was there a long time with the girl, with the girl and with the girl. And he didn't go out. At the end, he went out. We went home, everything was fine. On January 27th, I had to sell my body again, I left at 11. I bathed the girl, I organized her, I left her well organized.

I left at 11, the girl had already eaten, she had already had breakfast and everything. I arrived at 4 in the afternoon, I didn't do anything. And that day, he tells me, I tell him, I didn't do anything. He tells me, don't worry, don't worry, don't worry. Do you want to eat? I say yes. I, well, and I worry, I know what happened to her? Every day, every time she went out, she would scream at me when she didn't do anything.

Now she was like, in peace. She was all relaxed. I don't know what happened to her. Well, I served the food and everything. The girl was lying down. I saw her sleeping. Hours later, I sent the kids outside.

I was like, what happened? This man is crazy. Why did he send the kids outside? He told me something was happening with the girl. The girl wasn't waking up. The girl wasn't waking up, so I went to wake her up. I went, know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know.

I don't know. I don't know. I don't wake up. Was it cold? No, I don't remember that. You don't remember? No, I mean, I don't know what happened at the moment, but there are things that I don't remember.

You didn't touch her face to see how she was?

I moved her, but she didn't wake up. But at one point I didn't understand what was happening. I didn't understand why she wasn't waking up. But I mean, how was she? no despertaba yo, pero no sé, como así si ya estaba en la mañana bien, no nació con ninguna, no nació con ninguna enfermedad para decir que es que algo, esto, no estaba enferma de nada, la niña estaba muy sana, ya nació sana. Y entonces qué? Yo cuando yo vine pues yo me atacó a llorar, atoco a llorar y yo ni eso, ¿qué pasó con la niña? And he said, no, it's just that the girl died of moral pain. I said, but what moral pain?

I don't even know what that is. He's telling me things that I don't even understand. Then he said, that the moral pain is all calm, all calm, I'm crying, I didn't even know what to do. He didn't let me leave the house,

he didn't let me look for help, absolutely nothing.

The girl had a wound?

There was no wound. I was in a hospital. I was in a hospital. I was in a hospital. I was in a hospital. I was in a hospital. I was in a hospital. I was in a hospital.

I was in a hospital.

I was in a hospital. Why didn't you go out to seek help? He didn't let me go out. He didn't let me go out. And that's when he started putting more pressure on me, more pressure with the gun. Then he started threatening my family. And I didn't know what to do. And then?

At one point I told him to let me go out to look for Xiomara. But he didn't let me. He didn't let me. He didn't let me. He didn't let me because he didn't want any problems, because he didn't want any problems, and I let myself look for it. And what was his attitude, his face, how was he? Calm, very calm.

I mean, at the same time, he didn't want any problems, but he was calm. Did he use drugs? Before he met me, when I started living with him, he never told me, no, he told me, no, I never understood what he was consuming. But yes, mom, he started with his gun, with his gun, then he started calling me to ask for ammunition, and I said, but mom, what is happening to you?

But I, oh, I, when I, well, at the moment, I made the mistake of letting myself be taken by fear. I let myself be taken by fear. Fear took over me and I didn't know what to do. I lost control of everything. And where were the other children?

There.

And they saw the girl? They saw the girl. And what did the children say? They didn't say anything. They came up to me and hugged me and everything. But I still didn't understand, I didn't understand why it happened.

And at that moment, you're asking me, at that moment I didn't understand either. At that moment, after five years, I still don't understand what happened. If the girl was doing well.

And what happened from there?

Well, that day, a call came in, a in from a friend of his. I answered and she asked me, is Nilsson around? I said, yes, if you can find him, I'll give him to you. She said, this girl wants to speak to you. I don't know why, but she wants to speak to you.

So I gave him to her and she spoke to him. It was to ask him permission if I could go to church on Friday. But shock, I didn't know what to do, I didn't even, I mean, I totally

paralyzed. I was paralyzed. I was paralyzed.

I was paralyzed. I was in a state of shock. I didn't know what to do. I didn't even... I totally paralyzed myself.

How did you go to church?

I went to church. And you went to church? I had to go, otherwise I would be informed.

You went to church and the girl in bed was without...

Yes, I made that mistake of letting myself go into that moment of fear, because fear manipulated me completely. I couldn't even speak in church. That was what made me very nervous, because I couldn't speak. But you went to church, you were already free to say, help. But at the moment, as I was saying, at the moment, I was like, I was asking at the same time, I don't know what I had, but I was very scared.

I was scared, I didn't even know what I had, but I couldn't speak. You could have screamed and screamed. I couldn't speak, I was in a state of complete paralysis. I had control of my mind, but not of my words. I said, Lord, help me speak. I was like, in my mind, I said, help me speak.

Help me speak. I just cried, but the same rage that I had, the impotence that I couldn't speak, with the same rage, I cried more. Help me speak. Help me, so they can help me.

I didn't even have the words to say it. I said, help me speak, help me get this out of me. I can't get it out. Why? I didn't understand. I was in shock. I didn't know what happened.

You got home and what happened?

He went to my house, to the house of another friend of his. He went to my house, he got home at 6 in the afternoon. I was looking at him like, with the same anger, like I wanted to attack him, but at the same time I couldn't.

Wait. You got home, he wasn't there, and the girl...

No, I got home, he went to look for me.

At the church.

At the church, where I was. I wasn't at the church because I left at 10 in the morning. I left the church. And we went to another... to another friend's house. That's where he picked me up. Knowing that your daughter was at home.

Knowing what was happening with the girl. I was looking at him, and I was so angry, I didn't know how... I was looking at him, I was looking at the girl, and I was like, bro, how did I tell her? How do I get her out? But right now, being there, in the presence of that man, I can't tell her

because things are going to get worse, because who knows what could happen later. And from then on, what happened? We left around 5 in the afternoon from the house of the lady, and he said, when we were on our way home, he said he had taken the girl out. At the moment, I, I don't, I don't think he took her out. When we got home, the girl was gone. The girl was gone.

He took the girl out?

He took her out.

Where to?

I started to insist, I started to assist him, I started to assist him, where is the girl? Where is the girl? He never told me. No, he told me later, at the end, as he saw me so tired, that he told me to throw her in the pipe. She was never in the pipe.

He didn't throw her in the pipe because I never saw her. I didn't see her buried either. What did he do to the girl? He wrapped her in something. He wrapped her in something and took her out, but we don't know where he took her. We don't know where he took her.

The girl, the only thing I know is that the girl totally disappeared on January 29.

He took her out.

The girl disappeared that day. He gave a statement to the police. And according to his statements...

She gets up, and everyone, with the commotion, the children wake up. They prepare something to eat for breakfast. The other children, I mean, the childrenilsson's kids do eat, but Sara, like the other days she had been in that house, until that moment, 13 days, she didn't eat. And then, that lack, that lack of control by Carolina towards her daughter, because even though she was the mother, she didn't have much

affection for the girl. So, he starts physically hurting her and forcing her to eat, but the only thing the girl does is reject the food. Meanwhile, while that discussion between mother and daughter was developing, Nilsson starts preparing something to eat. I believe that in some media it was said that rice, lentils and some fajitas. That was what he was preparing at that time.

Meanwhile, it was lunchtime, and Carolina says she's going to feed the girl, but the girl vomits, and Carolina reacts violently against that, to Sofía. That's when she physically, textually, says that she hit the girl with a slingshot,

without the diaper, and that the girl has become a little...

A two-year-old girl.

Exactly. As a punishment for that, they didn't have showers, they had the tube that came out of the cold water. He puts her in the shower, opens the tap and bathes her. When he takes her out of that shower, the bed was very close. So, Nilsson tells that Carolina takes Sarasofía out of the shower,

she throws her on top of the bed, but the girl falls more than half of the bed, and she goes back and hits the wall. By that time, the girl was crying a lot, but when she hits the wall, the girl was crying a lot. But when he hit the wall, the girl started to moan a little bit. And she was left there. She didn't cry anymore.

And she didn't make that noise again. And she was left unconscious.

No. It turns out that it was because of the lie. He was trying to save himself, to wash his hands and for all the weight to fall on me, he said that and used his children to declare against me. I didn't say anything to the girl. I didn't say anything to her at all.

Most people may not believe me, but it's the truth. If I made the mistake, I admit it, that I left the girl there. I made the mistake that the girl would go out, that the girl would go through that, but it was not with the intention that she would go through this. It was not my intention. I made the mistake of trusting someone who I shouldn't have trusted.

I made the mistake of accepting... I mean... I made the mistake of taking my daughter to the nursery, but I didn't do it with the intention of hurting her. I did it because I just wanted to be with her, because I wanted to give her what I never had. I just wanted to give her what I never had, I just wanted to give it to her.

I never imagined this would happen. I never imagined.

Because if I had known, I wouldn't have risked the girl like that, and I wouldn't have risked being with a person like that either. But I didn't know. Yes, I know I have to pay because I made a mistake. But I don't deserve so many things that they have done to me. I don't deserve it. Si yo se que tengo que pagar porque si comete un error Pero no me merezco tanta cosa que lo que me han hecho No lo merezco Porque gracias a mi hermana

Ella fue la que la que hizo que casi me mató en la estación yo quedé con problemas en el pecho Me empezó de momento otros unos dolores de cabeza que no se sabe si fue a causa de los golpes que me dieron I started to have headaches, I don't know if you know what I mean. I had a headache. I had a headache. So, I mean,

it was hard. That day I tried to... I tried to attack my daughter. Because she told the truth. She tried to attack my daughter. Because no one believed me. in de que yo me fui a la casa de que él se fue para a las una de la mañana para la plaza de corabastos que a trabajar y que llegó a las ocho de la mañana y que yo no estaba con la niña. Me manipuló con un arma, amenazó a mi familia para que yo no callara, para I was like, I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this.

I don't want to do this. I don't want to do this.

I don't want to do this. I don't want in my pocket. I reacted in a way that, I mean, I was scared. I mean, I wasn't scared because he was a robber. That day, every day he would go to get the money I gave him. Every day he would go to get the money I Not only that, I had to keep harassing myself with other men to get the money to

give it to him. I also had to harass myself with him later. And I begged him, I begged him to please tell the truth, to tell where the girl was, to give her to him. He didn't want to do it. He didn't want to do it. One day he made me, quiso hacer. No lo quiso hacer. Un día me hizo, me grabó, obligándome, presionándome a que yo dijera que yo regalé a la niña en un carro rojo, una señora en un carro rojo. Que yo la regalé, supuestamente. Y me hizo hacer eso. Con la intención de que esa grabación se la llevaran a la fiscalía para él lavarse las manos también. Para with the intention that the recording would be taken to the DA's office

so he could wash his hands too so the weight would fall on me. so that my sister, so that he would say that I was never in that house. me and I didn't know who I was talking to and who I wasn't. And I... And I had to give him the money all the time.

And I had to sleep with him afterwards.

For weeks, there was a great mobilization at the national level here in Colombia.

Saying that supposedly the girl had been given away or was somewhere.

Do you remember that? Yes, he forced me to say that. He pressured me to say it. And why didn't you say anything at that moment? At that moment I didn't say anything because I was under his pressure, practically. I didn't know what he could do to my family either. I didn't know how to find the girl, or get the truth out of her either.

I didn't know how. Your sister says that once you were found, some time later, in a park, and that you went with the police to show where supposedly... Where he told me he had thrown her. and that you went with the police to show where... Where he told me he had thrown her.

He threw her in the pipe. He didn't tell me exactly where he threw her, but he told me he threw her in the pipe. We went to the pipe, and the girl never came out. She never showed up.

Never.

She didn't show up in the pipe. She wasn't buried either. I was arrested one day, all night, and the next day I was released.

Very early.

And I, well, they released me, they pressured me, they pressured me, they pressured me to speak, but at the time I didn't, I mean, they spoke to me presionaron, me presionaron, me presionaron pa' que hablaba, pero yo en el momento no, o sea, no, o sea, me hablaban y yo no sabía ni cómo decir, qué decirles. O sea, yo no sabía ni qué decirles porque yo, yo me hablaba y me hablaba y me hablaba y yo,

una vez entendí llamar a la policía para que, porque me había, me amenazó también. I was in shock, I didn't know how to speak. I was talking to myself, and I was talking to the police. I was talking to myself, and I was talking to the police. I was talking to myself, and I was talking to the police. I was talking to myself, and I was talking to the police. I was talking to myself, and I was talking to me, and I didn't know who to talk to. I was in a state of shock, I didn't even know how to talk.

One person was talking to me, another person was talking to me, they were asking me questions and they were constantly entangling me. And I didn't know what to say. The only thing I knew, what I said was that the girl had thrown him out on the street. And that's what he told me. Before we did this interview, you told me you were going to speak with your heart, right?

Yes.

You didn't f*** your daughter's life. No, Raquel. There was a moment. I didn't do that to her at any time. You are already sentenced to 42 years. Yes, but at no time did I think of doing that. At no time. Because I wasn't of doing that. Never.

Because I wasn't even able to do it. Because if I had done it, I wouldn't have needed it. If I didn't want it, it's true. If I didn't want it, I would have done it. I would have preferred to do it to my sister's mother-in-law. I didn't need to hurt her like that.

I didn't need to hurt him like that. I didn't need to take his life.

In an interview for Columbia, for those people who are not from Columbia, a Colombian influencer who is in prison, and was here in the good pastor's prison,

she stated that she shared a cell with you here, and you told her that you had written it.

No, that was a lie.

And, for example, have you spoken to Sara Sofía's mother, to Carolina?

Yes, I speak to her a lot. I tell her that the only one who can judge her is God. Yes. That the only one who can judge her is God, not me, nor the people around her. And that she should seek God a lot, because God is the only one who can judge her is God, not me, nor the people around her. And she's looking for God a lot because God is the only one who can forgive her. She was sentenced to 42 years in prison.

And what does she tell him? What does she tell Sarasofia? It's a case that impacted Colombia a lot and we don't know where Sarasofia is.

No, Sarasofia is not here. Because in the midst of her madness, of her substances and all that with the person she was with, made her make a big mistake.

They killed her?

Well, yes, she says yes. Although she gives many versions to many people, but she says yes.

And that they threw her in the river, they put her on the coast and abandoned her in the river?

Oh my God. They them to f*** her.

That's what Carolina Galvan, Sarasophia's mother, confessed to you in jail, here in El Buen Pastor.

And Sophia's mother says she's sorry and that she f***ed her and that she did it to the girl. Forgive me for insisting on that because

you know that in the country there was a great

immense concern because that girl never appeared. They looked for her, they looked for her and she never appeared.

Oh no, she tells many versions but she tells us another one, so it is very hard to hear what she did to her daughter compared to well as the person who sold her. We were in the same corridor, in the same courtyard. She lived in the cell next door, with another colleague. I lived with another colleague. And I never told her that.

Never. Because I can be very calm, but I wasn't stupid to tell her that. I didn't even know her to tell her that. I didn't know her. I just met her to come and help her tell her that. Supposedly, as I told her, show me where the proof is, where I told her that. to When she returned from the interview, what happened? What did she say? The next day she told me that only God could judge me.

That was the only thing she supposedly said in the interview. But later I found out the truth. That it wasn't just that. That I had told her, that I had told the girl, and that I gave her authorization to talk about me in the interview. Like I said, if I want to talk about myself through the media, I can do it perfectly.

I don't need someone else to do it for me. And I'm going to tell you one thing. I don't blame her, you know why? Because the first and most important thing is that my life is not in danger here in prison. That they are not going to fuck me, that they are not going to hurt me, that they are not going to throw words at me.

That's why I didn't sue her. That's why I didn't give an interview. Because thousands of journalists came here, RCN, Caracol, RCN Radio, to give an interview about what happened to her. I didn't do it because I didn't want to put my life at risk

more than what was already happening. More than what was in the community courtyard they tried to attack me. It was practically a security courtyard. It was part of security, apart from rehabilitation. What did they have to do?

Take the girl out, who had that gun, so that they wouldn't use that gun against me. They had to take her out. They had to prohibit the colleagues who were there at that time, doing the process there in the therapeutic community, to I kept going out alone, to study, to go out alone to health care, to go out alone to activities, to do everything I did. Thank God, I didn't get attacked.

Carolina, many people have wished that she was alive. So, you don't believe she is alive? is And Mao, he manifested himself as big as he was, as big as he was. Not like when he disappeared, but he was bigger, like he is now, like 7 years old.

Did he tell you anything?

No.

Tell us a little more about that. I mean, at the beginning, when I entered the prison, I did not dream of her, because I was traumatized. I was traumatized by Nilsen. I kept dreaming of him all the time. I kept dreaming, dreaming, dreaming.

One day, in my dream, I dreamed that he was going to kill me. That was the last dream I had of that man. From that day on, I started't look sad in my dreams either. And I was with her. One day, one of the dreams I had was that I was with my mom. And I was with my mom, and I was with my mom, and I was with my mom.

And I was with my mom, and I was with my mom.

And I was with my mom, and I was with my mom. I didn't live in the dream either. I was with her.

One day, in one of my dreams, I was looking for her everywhere, looking for a shoe for her.

When she was born, were you ready to be a mother?

Not at the time. Did you wish to be a mother? At the time, I didn't want to be a mother, but I wasn't going to reject her either. I mean, yes, I was pregnant without planning it, without anything, but I wasn't going to reject her.

Had she become an obstacle for you?

No, I wasn't going to reject her in any way. I was not going to reject her and give her what I never had, what my mother never gave me. That was my dream, my intention, to give her what I never had, to give her what she has, and not hurt her like everyone thinks I did. I was going to do it. I was going to do it. I was going to do it. I was going to do it. I was going to do it.

I was going to do it. I was going to do it. I was going to do it. I was going to do it. I would have never dared to hurt him like that. If I wasn't even able to give him the sweet, now I'm going to be able to hurt him like that. Never.

Because I'm not like that. I don't have the heart to do something like that. And even if you don't believe it, it's not like that. I've never hurt him like that. I've never hurt him like that. I've never hurt him like that. I don't have the heart to do something like that.

And even if you don't believe me, it's not like that. I never had it and I never will. Because if I were the crap, I would be able to do it. I didn't do it either. Because I'm not for a crap, I'm not a sexist. I'm not what they think I am. I was wrong like anyone else was wrong.

What did she call you? What did she call you?

She was already starting to talk.

Did she call you mom?

No, at the time she didn't call me mom.

How do you remember her?

That happy girl, that happy girl. That beautiful girl who, when she was born, she was born the most beautiful thing I could have ever had. I don't know, I'm not good at expressing, at making letters, but I wrote to her. I wrote to her, telling her y escribir, escribir a ella, diciéndole de que fue lo mejor que me pudo haber pasado. Fue lo mejor que pude haber tenido, aunque no la haga desear.

Le iba a brindar el mismo amor, como si la fuera a desear o como si la fuera a planear.

Esa era mi intención. as if I had planned it.

That was my intention. And I think that even though people don't believe it, God does, because God knows me very well. And He knows the kind of person I am. Because, to forgive something like this, you need a lot of courage. To forgive my sister,

it was what she did to me when I was a little girl, she made me starve, treat me very badly, tell me she was going to break my head, and leave me there, that marked me all my life. And to forgive her,

and not wish her the worst, and not have sued her, you need a lot of courage. Because that is not easy to forgive. I'm going to help her, even if it's causing me so much pain. I'm going to help her. I'm going to help her.

I'm going to help her.

I'm going to help her. I'm going to help her. I'm going to help her. I think twice to help her. I'm not going to think about doing it. I'm going to help her, even if it causes me so much pain. I'm going to help her. If she comes one day to ask for my help, if she comes one day,

if it touches my heart to come here, I'm going to receive her with open arms anyway, proving to her that she is going to make a difference. Even if she paid me badly, I'm going to be a good person. I'm going to be a good person. I'm going to be a good person.

I'm going to be a good person.

I'm going to be a good person.

I'm going to be a good person. I'm going to my studies because I want to be different. And what I've learned here and everything I've learned from the courses, from the word of God, is that only forgiveness is reflected, healing. And that's what I'm doing. I'm not paying anyone bad for bad, like my family practically did to me.

Why? Because the one who has collaborated with me with the things I needed has done it to my lawyer. And the one who has fought for everything.

Why didn't the justice believe you?

They don't care. They don't care. Because that's how justice works. How many people here, how many women who are here, free and without a warrant for a false testimony, paying for a crime that they didn't even commit? And here they are, judged, accused, paying for a false testimony,

for a comment that is made. There they are, there they are. Because justice works. Did they find any evidence? They didn't. They didn't find any evidence to prove that I'm really guilty.

That I had anything to do with the disappearance of the girl. Because the girl was there with me. Does that mean that I participated in that disappearance? No. No. I never did it.

So if you don't want to,

if I didn't do it, give my daughter an abortion, much less I'm going to kill her. Because I'm not like that. And if I had done it, I would have been killed. I would have been killed too.

I ended up with the same pain, because I tried to do it. I cut my teeth. And I did it. con el mismo dolor porque intenté hacerlo. Intenté con... y lo hice. Me... Porque lo hice. Porque en el interior no estaba en crisis.

Porque a nadie le importó lo que yo sentía. Me golpearon, me jodieron, me hicieron lo que hicieron conmigo y a nadie le importó. Sí, es una niña y lo reconozco. Pero no quiere decir que yo me merezca todo lo que tengo que vivir Yes, she is a girl, and I recognize that. But that doesn't mean that I deserve everything that I have to live, and everything that I have lived. I am alive here, I am here, and I have stopped.

It is thanks to God. Because with me, I have been better for a while. So...

Charolina, thank you for your time, thank you for your testimony. Thank you very much for sharing this time with us. Thank you very much. I am not someone to judge you. No one is someone to judge you.

Only God. I'm going to show you that I'm not worth anything. I committed it. I'm guilty and I deserve to die because they paid me. I'm guilty and I deserve to die because they paid me. They were paying me to kill me.