Maple Leafs Land Sergei Bobrovsky | Real Kyper & Bourne

All right.I mean out of the gate, lots of signings, a few moves.Not the sexy names out there, except maybe for the exception of Connor Hellebuck, Zach Wierenski, Noah Jewelson.I'm fixated on this Jeff VL signing the Tampa Vegas.VL signing.

Five times two and a half.

The loading up in the Atlantic division.Imagine signing up to fight Florida once a month.For five years.It's like, what a foolish mission.In the meantime, if you're around your computer or your phone, sportsnet .my latest real Kipper trade board number nine. Nine

Nine already, eh?This could be it.I think it's it.Well, yeah.I want to golf.

I'm going to be honest with you.Listen, we're heading into mega golf territory here.I'm heading out west next week on vacation.Got a lot of golf planned.I better start to be able to figure it out.I got to say it, Kipper.

I'm if John Tavares signs.He gave me his landline, and I remember you going on there.They said it.I called my buddy on his landline on his college phone, and then I had to turn on the TV and have Nick Kiprios and Doug McClain crap all over the signing of John Tavares.

We kind of questioned whether it was a good idea or not.Crapped all over it.No, no, no, no.Hold on for a second.Get it right here.We crapped over it kind of screwing up their salary cap.

Yeah, listen.There was some, there was some looking back on it.You weren't the wrongest guy alive.Okay.I'll get, I'll give you that.But that was a fun time.

Anyways, happy to be here.

Uh, Jack Roslevick to the Toronto Maple Leafs.I'm really glad you didn't say when I was like, you know, a little kid watching me.Thanks for sparing me.Well, I mean, I was like in my twenties.Hold on.I got snacks for everyone.

I got Rosedale snacks.

I didn't think you had enough time to get a round of golfing today.

One for you Sammy, one for JB, and one for me.

Got any Cotwaters over there?

Okay, now we're all set.All right.So what do we got here?Roslevic.

Roslevic.Yeah, to me, that's like, hey, we got Nick Robertson that we're sure can get his points.You know, Nick Robertson, maybe they weren't as sure as you wanted a winger who could help produce and make plays and pass the puck.Okay, I'm not, okay.Any word on the deal?I'm not thrilled about it.

No, no word on the actual numbers yet.I don't even know where I saw it.It just came from Elliot.There he is, okay.He's just working on the terms.

So, Jack Roslick last year scored 21 times in 69 games for the— Early.

He was taught early.

Yeah, and he— Six playoff games, one assist.

Yeah, he kind of became not important to them down the stretch, it felt like.

It's interesting.But yeah, I mean, 21 goals and 40 points.

36 points in 69 games, so.You let go of Michelli.You let go of Robertson.You know, okay, two year deal with a four million AAV.So eight million dollars over two, you know, over two years.

There's a lot of talk of Colton Sessions, who's a UFA most recently with Vegas Golden Knights.Does that mean that's shut down?

No, I don't think so.That definitely doesn't preclude them from doing that by any means.They could do that.

Well, and the fact that they moved off of Nick Robertson.for a fourth round pick.

They have tons of cap space and they have needs still.Particularly a defensive third, fourth line center who can kill penalties right shot.Checks a lot of boxes in that way.

Penalty killer.

Yeah.

Big penalty killer.

Okay.Two minutes and 15 seconds per game last year for Vegas.

So that's some breaking news there.Jack Rosvick, two years, $8 million.Which, by the way, is almost exactly what Michelli was owed.

So they basically said, we prefer Rosvick to Michelli.

So I think the big news that people are probably turningin here to hear about and off the top we should probably do.Last night, Elliott, late night, I'm not sure when it was, I was already sleeping because I'm an old man, but I was already sleeping.But he publishes a story on Sportsnet .ca that Zach Lorenzky vetoed a trade to the Dallas Stars.And then in that, after that's kind of come out, that Tampa Bay and Toronto would be places that he would consider going.

He wants to go whatever the verbiage is.What's the latest on Lorenz?Because people believe fans are in a full on good job.

This is this is the top.

Yeah.From my perspective that he has indeed mentioned it to a lot of people in Columbus that his first preference is Tampa Bay.So whether or not we believe that there's something there that engages Columbus into a serious discussion.I don't know.I mean, we're all putting Moser around a deal, are we not?Of course, Moser is.

And there's a few guys on limited no -trade contracts, you know, including, you know, Sorelli.I mean, would that, would they be interested in something like that?He's a 28 -year -old centerman, Anthony Sorelli.Would Anthony go there after everything he's experienced in Tampa Bay?Yeah.Maybe Columbus isn't on his list.

Yeah.Well, you know what his no trade doesn't even have modified listed on 10 teams.Is it not?It's starting June 15th, 2027.The player submits a 16 team trade 16 up until that nothing.I don't think any.

Okay.

It doesn't seem like any.

So either that or Toronto and there's various reports, whether or not, and I think Darren Drager mentionedEarlier today that maybe that the Leafs could still do a deal without nice So that that would be a bigger trick than just getting eyes in the deal for me.

Well, it that means Easton Cowan for sure Yeah, yeah, which okay, you know like you there's no you're not gonna be like, sorry I can't give that guy a Norris for a guy with I'll be it a blue chip prospect.Love you some Cowan.It's not about Cowan.It's about no one would say he has more value than Zach Warren.No, if I had to do this today, but if I had my choice, I would probably rather trade nice and count.Yeah, I don't.

We said that yesterday.

Do we not have that conversation?We've had this conversation.I think people think we're I'm nuts when I say that.So like, I just I like I like the profile of Cowan and what Cowan is going to become more than maybe nice.

So.Just to your point, like, how many teams now, how many teams now has Nye's been linked to?A lot of them.Five?I don't know.Mucho.

Chicago?Yep.Montreal.

Well, it was everyone with the draft pick.They wanted to trade into the top 10.

So, like, when do we get the hint that they don't want to, they don't want to keep Nye's?No, that's trash.No, it's not trash.Total trash.No, no, it's not.Not when you keep trying to trade this guy.

It felt like they were trying to trade into the top 10.

It also feels like they're trying to, like, move off of him and he's our best chance to get multiple assets.

Yeah, I get to me.Those are different things.He's our best chance to get multiple assets versus we're trying to move on.

And I get the sense that they feel like I don't know how much more upside they can get out of him.

You know, I could see that.I could see internally if they said, hey, we're not sure about this guy.head.You know, we're not sure about X, Y, Z. But by all accounts, he's, you know, I don't I don't need to go through the list reasons.I love the player and it's upside.

I just I just OK, we get it.You want to move them.You want to trade them.

If you're hearing that, you're hearing that.But I wouldn't take it without the information from you.I wouldn't take it based on their actions alone.

But are you alluding to the fact that the amount of teams that he's been linked to and how much his name's been out there could devalue him?Like, does that, does people start getting a sniff of like, why is this guy so available?

It just lends to what you're saying that I think at this point, they'd rather move Nyes than even Cowan.

Yeah.They would rather move Nyes than Cowan.Yeah.

That's again, that's the feeling I'm getting is it won't go away.Nice.

We we've said that here, you know, given one of the two guys probably prefer to keep count.I am curious to see.

And I get the sense that they don't feel there that his upside is quite as high as maybe the perception that's out there.Yeah.And they want to capitalize on it.

Well, he also he fits that profile of everyone looks nice and says, how rare is it to get a Tom Wilson like player and whether they don't believe he can become Tom Wilson or not?I mean, I had an eyes on the American team, my roster.I thought he was that good.And I think he was a victim of this past season where it all just fell apart.And everyone's motivation and it just all flagged.They're stuck in the D zone.

I think he had as bad a year as he could.He had 60 some points and 20 some goals.So.

So, so back to the Wroblewski thing.Do you feel, I read a little bit of your, your trade board before we came on here.

Yeah.

This isn't something that you feel is necessarily imminent, is what I'm reading.

I would be shocked and I would be shocked if...if Columbus just buckled that we just got to get whatever we can out of him.And it has to happen now because it doesn't seem to me that there is enough assets to really entice me for Wierenski.I back off.I wouldn't do anything.I'd hold them.

I'd make them come back in the summer training camp and I'd revisit it in the fall.That's That's what I would do if I was Columbus.If I'm the Leafs, go and try to steal him right now.And if Waddell buckles, then you're going to be a hero.

What do you make of this whole thing that he rejected a trade to Dallas, and that pissed off his camp, and now he's going to reject any trade offer that comes to him because he's mad about it?I mean, is that...

Well, listen, I am watching this whole thing right from the trade deadline.Did Dallas or Columbus not learn anything from St. Louis trading Pareto to Buffalo, and then you guys work out this deal.So there's Thomas Harley.Hey, Thomas, we traded you to Columbus.Oh, oh, no, we didn't.Sorry, we didn't.

So that happened?

But it was done deal.It was done.And then they couldn't get Wierenski to sign off.They couldn't get Wierenski to sign off on Dallas.And it's like, why do you guys do deals when you don't know the player will go?Find out if the player will go.

Totally.And then do the deal.In this case where it's one player asking to go play somewhere else.

It doesn't seem that unreasonable.No, that's completely reasonable.When it's one player who just says, hey, I want to play somewhere else.You start with, would you go to that team if we made a deal?Jim Neal, you traded Tom Harley, 24 years old.

He's an up -and -comer.He's a big part of your future prior to all of this.

One of the best D on Team Canada.

And you traded him to Seattle.And now you haven't traded him to Seattle.It's like - Columbus, yeah.

Oh, yeah.

Columbus.My apologies.And it's like, okay.I mean, I don't know.Harley needs to say, that's just business, and come back and be a pro, and I expect him to.If you're a reasonable person, you're like, yeah, he's the Norris Trophy winner.

They're trying to get the guy.If Larkin has to go back into the Detroit dressing room, be a pro.And if Wrenske needs to go back to Columbus, be a pro.I think in 2026, yeah, there might be a couple of guys with their noses bent a little bit, but the rest of them will say, hey, glad you're still here.

Could the Leafs go or just be like, if you're going to trade him, trade him to us?

Well, that's immediately my thought.And to me, that's what happened with Nice, where they, you know, last year at the deadline, had something cooked up with Montreal.All of a sudden, everyone found out, hey, wait, are you going to trade Nice?And it became a thing.That's like, wait, is Harley a guy you would trade?Like, hold on, let's talk then.

I love Harley.

Yeah, I think the whole idea is Wierenski and at least don't have that to give to Dallas.So for Harley.

Yeah.Do you think that, like, there is a chance that Rensky dons a blue and white.

Yeah, I do believe I do is, you know, as we mentioned, Judd's Moldavar's Tampa is his crap is the agent behind here.And, you know, he's he's trying his best to please his client.Yeah.Andthe wishes are.Toronto's close to family, I guess, when it comes to Wawrenski.

Is that close enough, Michigan to Toronto?

I think you just have to find it.That's an annoying drive.You have to take Tampa's offer and you just have to exceed it.You just have to blow it out of the water.

Where?

Well, whether that be picks or prospects, I don't know what value - For Toronto, you're talking about?I'm saying to go above Tampa Bay's offer - For the Leafs.Yeah.

Just please give me a scenario.

I know.Listen, I've been trying to cook it up.Do you like any of the kids they just drafted?

For the Norris Trophy winner.

Do you like Mosher and Geeky for the Norris Trophy winner?We've also done this.

You have come to my store and told me, you know, you want to sell your thing.I'm afraid that's all I can do.What's the line?

Yeah.So that's the best I can do is this.To my point, is there something down the road?Does it happen?Does it have to happen today?Does it have to happen next week?

Next month?No, no, no.And I think this thing has a chance to potentially drag for a little while.

So, I mean, the Lightning had their pick in 28, 29, 30.They had their first round picks.which if that's the kind of way the way you want to build the they have those assets.They have second rounders.They have first rounders, but the Blue Jackets reporting has been that they want NHL players.I don't know.

I think whatever the Leafs can put together is just as good as what the Lightning are going to do.So nice has value.

There's no doubt.Well, if it's not nice Cowan has value.

They the Columbus Blue Jacket fans need something that they can sink their teeth in if they're going to give up the Norris Trophy winner.here.If you go back, I don't know, Nash, when did Nash wind out of Columbus?What was it?15 years ago?12 years ago?

They're in the exact same spot.

They haven't moved.They haven't moved.I was gonna look it up.Look it up.It's another good player.Oh, and Artem Anisimov.

They got Dubinsky and Anisimov.You know, but that's what they're gonna get.Dubinsky and Anisimov.I always liked Dubinsky.Rick Nash.He was rude.

28 years old in the prime of his career.Wierenski's 28.I want out.And now they got to go through the whole thing all over again with one of the top defensemen in the league.And you're going to do a deal for potentials and prospects in a pick in 2029.Cowan.

Don Waddell needs to be committed, not just fired, but committed if he pulls off a deal for Wierenski.and starts looking at picks three years from now.

Yeah, it was Brandon Dubinsky, Artemin Izmov, Tim Erickson, and a first -round pick that turned into Kirby Reichel.Yikes.But you never win these deals.But that sounds like J .J.Moser and Conor Geeky.

That sounds like that to me.Totally.Sorry.Matthew Nyes sounds, I don't know.

Oh, that's, you know, the whole last few months, you've been saying that the Leafs, you know, should trade Nyes and get three guys back for him, but that's what you get back.You get back a bunch of rusty guys who, you know, I don't know.Anyway, we should talk about signings on UFA Day probably, no?

I mean, I'm enjoying this conversation.If you have anything more to add.So if I'm Columbus and you want to go to Tampa Bay, I would just wait two years, you know, and then you can go anywhere you want.

But is he going to be a whiner?Are these guys going to whine coming back to campus?Like I'm looking at Larkin.I'm looking at him.I'm looking at this guy.I'd say the Americans have a new reputation here right now.

You going to jujubes?They really, they really stick to the T. I kept that one sealed.

I got the M's going over here.

On commercial break.We'll break out the jujube.Okay.

See if we can get one down in the three minute break.

I love you guys.Yeah.So I mean, Ottawa blinked real fast.I don't know if Columbus will do the same thing.They could and do a deal with Toronto.I like that where they can they can kind of wait it out a little bit.

I would say that Jake McCabe help throw him in with Cowan.

He's got doesn't have trade protection.

No, he's got no 16 team Columbus probably on that.

Well ended well ended.I just from a fan's perspective, you know, I've been surprised at the amount of I wouldn't say pushback, but apprehension towards a potential, what it would take package to get Zacharensky here.And I just have to say, if you're listening to this and you're a Leaf fan, this is the type of guy you do whatever you can to get on your team.Like he's 28.He's a star.

I think it's, it's so similar to me.You can, you can work around the edges for Austin Matthews, right?With your, uh, Roscovic and Sessions and Colton Sissons and whatever you want.But.this is the guy.this trade should look like, right?

If you're going to trade the best defenseman in the league last year for one of the top goal scorers in the league last few years, that it's a one -for -one.

And I only do that for context for people of Wierenski's values.

And I think it's, you know...

My owner is signing Michelli.

Really?Wow.Fare thee well.I'll never forget your mixtape.What was I going to say?I had something more on Wierenski, but it slipped my mind.

Sorry about that, Michelli.

No, we're just talking about, like, That's what all deals would look like.Yeah.

Oh, I know what I was going to say.Bill Simmons used to do this article called the trade value list.

Good as a guess.

And Rensky, if he, I mean, he's a little short on his contract.He's only got two years left.But if he was, had no trade protection and was available to be traded to the entire league, where does he rank in the league amongst guys?Like he's in the top 15 guys, top 10 guys for the Norris trophy winner who makes not too much for the next two seasons.Like trade protection kind of sucks.It's kind of ruined the fun stuff.

for me, you know?

Yeah.Well, we talked about that too.

Yeah.

But we're, he's not coming up here without knowing that he's got at least a good year to feel it out and impress.I don't even think that the Leafs would even worry about two years from now.I think, I think based on the fact that we just watched the Raptors go get Kawhi Leonard and I know he got an extension at what, two years?

Uh, he's got one year left and then it goes two after that.Okay.So three years.

Yeah.So you know that they have the ability to do that right away.Yeah.

They can't sign Rensky or Austin until for another year, according to the CBA.

But like, you know, we have the owners, Rogers here and MLSC, making the decision still with Keith Pelley.This is about like getting both those organizations right back to the front.baby, right?And let's get people talking about it.Get people back in, like get Bay Street back in the building, not giving away the tickets to, you know, their neighbor.

You know, what changes to is when you have good players, people want to go there, right?You look at like the Canucks right now, as you know, they lost Ian Cole to Chicago.They lost out on like, no one wants to go when you're no good.And suddenly you get good and people go, I'll sign with the Oilers.Vancouver did just sign Paul Cotter, so.

Oh, they're back.So, you get Wierenski up here, you give him a year to feel out everything about it, and you just hope and pray that the team's doing well and he falls in love with the place and is ready for a long -term commitment.

Totally.

That, to me, is the game plan.

And I think if you start winning, right?You start, like, things go well, that's everything.

So, the Hughes model.

With Minnesota?Yeah.Yeah.

And Quinn's going to get that.

18 million?

Sure.

For three years, four years.

And if you're Minnesota, awesome.It delisted that trade and then got Wierenski to sign for three more years after that.

Awesome.

Fantastic.Here's your 18.Yes.Let's go.I don't know.We'll do this before we break.

Anything more on Bobrowski?That's been the next.Ron McClain, Bobrowski.

I wrote on sportsnet .ca that I don't think Florida offered him three years.Florida wouldn't go three.No, they wouldn't go three.I think they went two.I think they went two, which means any team Right now, if you're New Jersey or Toronto or Buffalo, I don't know, can get away with offering them three years.

I would imagine that the highest AAV would maybe win that out.

Yeah, and now I'm interested, you know?Three years, you can work me on that.I think he's going to be just fine.

I don't think you need to go for.

Yeah.

So the next question I would have is that, sorry, that, that one seemed like, I mean, there's been a ton of smoke about it.We've been talking on this show for however long free just been mentioning it.Is that one that I'm, you're surprised isn't one of the first ones off the board here.Like, is there other suitors for him?

Well, I think there's, there's plenty.For suitors that would take a look at a short -term deal with a high AV, I do believe that that's a difficult decision for no other reason that he's 38 years old and you gotta match up an off -season for him on where you truly believe he is and how much he can rebound.Now, for me, I would probably lean on analytics.My analytics department more for Bobrowski than maybe any other goalie out there.Which means, what happened last year, you know, to our buddy Valley, and...

Is he a CEO of a really successful analyst company?

Where was the dangers, where were most of the bad goals on him last year?What did my defense look like last year?How much can Hiller improve on taking away things that made him look bad?I don't know, but I need I need convincing here to make a commitment to a 38 year old, albeit of Roski.

And can we say the quiet part out loud about some of these guys?Like they shut it down on teams that are no good.Like Bob has multiple Stanley Cups, multiple individual awards.The team was crap.They had 84 points eating his best every night.Not going to say always a quitter or whatever, but like you just, you don't grind in the same way you might grind in the big games.

Put them in a spot where they're competitive.again and I think you get better.I feel that way about Knives and Matthews and some of the guys in Toronto.

Like, Toronto's D sucked last year.They did suck.They were bad.They were bad.I mean, you're telling me I did 70 Leafs talks last year, brother.I witnessed it.

As is, right?I know Radish is there now and that's an improvement, no question.You got to figure out style of play last year with five or six of those guys and where Bob is on it And it might not be a great mix.

Mm -hmm.

No, I it's I get it I get it and I hear what you're saying interesting.That's a Michelli deals one year That's a deadline trade them if it doesn't work out sort of thing.

Yeah, it's just musical chairs out there and you'd rather you'd rather at for you per year for two as opposed to the Machelli for one at 2 .5.It is fine.Well, or two, is it 225?

They had they could have not qualified him and then signed him.I don't know.

He scored some big goals.He did some impressive goals in the power play.

He's you know, he's 6 '1 and he's passes the puck.

Now, just to go back to Wierenski for a little bit and just talk offer sheets after if if you got if you got Wierenski first, where would the sense of urgency be on getting Radish after that?the power play.Well, Rinsky's used to being a big cheese on the power play.

Yeah.But like, what is the point you're making?You don't want two good players?

I don't know if Two, two on the power play?

No, but just like, what, does Faber, is he bad because Quinn Hughes exists?

One constantly takes 80 % of the power play.

Right, but you're not worried about Darren Radish's individual numbers and he is not worried because he has an eight -year contract.We are a team trying to win the Stanley Cup.

But he needs, he needs a minute and a half on the power play.

Who's, why?You signed him to eight and a half million dollars.

That's what he's best at.

Well, that's fine, he's best at, but we've got Zach Warensky now.Like, I get, I get the idea.

I, it's a chemistry thing for me.It's, uh, it's why didn't, why didn't, why didn't, why didn't Brent Burns and, and Carlson work in San Jose?

But those guys needed contracts and have, you know, it's like, you call it like an ego thing if you want.To me, it's, it gets so lost in the idea of building a Stanley Cup winning team and saying, I got my money.I said my 20 and my whatever last year, let's win a Stanley Cup.And it's so strange to me when I have these conversations with you, who's won a cup, that you have this ego thing where it's like, but what about Radish's points?I don't care if he gets four points.

I know, but it's not realistic in an NHL dressing room.Egos are huge.

What about this idea?I'm no Jim Hiller here, but give me the left and right -handed shot, two defensemen at the top, Marensky.Soft feathers over to Radish.Cabrolet and McCabe reincarnated.There's no reason I couldn't play a flame.Eddie Belfort reincarnated Annette.

We're back to the early 2000s, baby.Let's go.

There's no reason it couldn't work.

It could totally work.

Austin, Willie, and Tavares.Tavares.Tavares.

Yeah, sure.Tavares.Yeah, sure.

That's your number one power play.

I do knives over Tavares.

But if you don't have Tavares on a power play, you might as well get rid of him.

Okay.I love these hard leaves takes on July 1st.I love it.All right.Where were you on to go?Do you want to do Nick Robertson quickly here before we break?

Sure.Yeah.

All right.You put him in the Carlo.Would you have kept him around then rather a fourth?

Like, I'm with Sam in that I'm ready for the Leafs to not have a bunch of little wingers who aren't awesome.Like, I'm ready for that.Go sign Roslevic.That's fine.I'm OK. I'm just disappointed it's just a fourth.Like, I just feel like he's clearly an established guy.

He can get you 15 to 20 goals a year.That feels better than a fourth to me, but I'm not going to quibble too much about it.

I sent a tweet today mentioning you in it.I don't know if you saw it or not.You back in the day, I don't know when this was, when you were doing, before you came back this morning, when you were still fired.

Real Kipper at noon.

Yeah, you did your real Kipper at noon thing.And I remember you did a...

Thanks for bringing up a very difficult time in your life.

Oh yeah, I'm sure you're devastated.

Getting fired.Yeah.

Playing golf every day.And you're a simulator.

I'm sure you're devastated.

You mentioned that the Leafs, for Sam Bennett, when he was available with the Flames, and you mentioned Nick Robertson.Yes.And being like, you know, that could be part of it.Yes.And I remember Leaf fans killing you then.And listen, you're used to, like, you got the Montour one, people kill you for that one.

Like, listen, we do radio every day, people kill us for stuff all the time.

That's what it is. I still, like, Montour on this team.I know.

And that's fine.I love you dying on that hill.But part of the Zverensky thing, to me, is in the value of this conversation with Robertson, is you never know about these guys.And, like, Easton Cowan shone great at the start of his NHL career.He played well with the Marlies.He's seen a lot.

the right track, but like, you know who I would love on the least right now?Yeah.Sam Bennett when he's like in his early thirties and just one of the better, you know?

Yeah.You turn maybe into for sure.Every chance you can get.And I, which is what I think Pittsburgh just did with their fourth round pick and they held on way too long to Nick Robert.

He was a guy that we talked about multiple and they just held on and it was tree tires on it 100 times.

I think that that fourth round pick has been around for two years.Oh, you could have had that at any moment in the last two years.Maybe tree was pushing for a second rounder.

Yeah.

And stubborn as hell.

Yeah.I mean, you know, there was times last year where you're going, OK, Michelli can't play in the top six because he's not, you know, not quite at that level.And Robertson can't play because he doesn't pass it.And Domi, you know, throwing out blind passes.It's just like, OK, they're moving on from those wingers.That didn't work.

And that's fine.

Yeah.And yeah, I just think it jumps out to me that he had his career high.He can shoot the park.

the team in the league.He can shoot the puck.There's no question.Can he turn being a 15 -goal scorer into a 25 -goal scorer in Pittsburgh?

Depends on how they use him.I tell you what, he'll shoot one in the net against the Leafs on the ice under the goalie's stick between his legs.

Oh, it's going to beat him five.He's going to rip it.Automatic?

Right now.

I don't know.Look ahead to November, the first game.He might score a hat trick.

Yeah, he's going against the Leafs.Here's one food for thought with Kyle Dubas getting Nick Robertson.

Oh, I know where we're going here.

Lowering the brother right in.Interesting.What do you think?

God, this show's fun.

Right?

I like it.Say hey, dangling a little trout here for ya.

Hey Jason, you want something special for your family?Yeah.Come, come play here.

Come be a penguin.Interesting.

Yeah.

How would that work?

Okay, you want to take a quick break?Yeah, we should probably break.Alright, let's take a quick break when we follow up after the commercial.break.

Got my boy Adam Stanley, Sportsnet's golf reporter, covering the Sens on our...Yeah, I love it.

Looking great.Want to get into the Jason Robinson scenario.Why Dallas is in a pickle right now.

A dilly of a pickle.

That and more when we return to free agent day in the National Hockey League.Back after these words.In studio, Nick Kiprios, Justin Boren, Sammy McKee.It's The Real Kipriots.Bourne show.Reagent day today.

Canada Day T26.Luke Shen.Vancouver Canucks.Canuck.

Yeah, he's a Canuck.He's been a Canuck at heart.Sam, how do you feel about it?Great.No, you don't.I can't.

Listen.

Why are you being a cynic?I love Luke Shen.

I know you do.

Luke Shen.Luke's troops.Big part of my life.I had a lot of arguments when he got drafted, how much I loved them.The human eraser.Big Luke Shen guy.

I've been a Luke Shen guy forever.It's just so close to over, and I guess getting that one last contract, but Canucks are just gonna reek.It sucks.

You're like the one team where you're like, I ain't even trying to be competitive.Can we just talk a little bit about just, like, the value of toughness right now, and how it's at a premium that Luke Shen can...He does, yeah.He does?Enough for Vancouver to sign him, and he gives them a present.I thought there was a chance he was going to come back to Toronto.

Did you?Yeah.Well, just based on.

It's like, I don't know if I would maybe prefer someone like that.Someone who is just like, Hey, I'm going to play minimal minutes and I'm going to be a protector of some variety.

You know, that's I'm glad you brought that up.And maybe it's not the total conversation for today, but we can have it.Like you do have to add a couple of meanies.

Well, this Rosselvig thing made me think it even further.Like you look at the Leafs roster and it is buttery soft.Yeah.

And you're going to have a 18 -year -old kid who is supposed to be one of the, you know, bright young stars coming in here, and you're going to be going up against Tampa, who's mean, Florida, who's mean.

Like, Goudis at six years.

No, Goudis at six years, I like that for the least.Good.I mean, but that's capstone convention, 100%.It is.

It absolutely is.

Gary's just, oh, I don't need to do this.They can do whatever they want.The guy that took out the captain's knee is going to come in here two or three times a year.Yeah.it's a good thing.

I think, yeah, I don't think it hurts the hockey team unless you're just— He hurt the captain.You think he's going to continue to hurt captains?Yeah, I do.

I think he's dangerous, and I think that as a Maple Leaf, I want that answered.

I, listen, I'm saying that.I'm saying they need that.They need someone who can stand up and I agree with that.But I don't think Guttis over the next six years is a great hockey player.I thought he was a good hockey player.

I thought he had last year.

But those, they don't care six, seven years.They don't care because they're just going to write them off when they want to retire.

Then why is that allowed?Yeah, we're at the point like we did this when it was like Duncan Keith and a lot of Brent Seabrook.All these guys on this huge contract in the league going, whoa, whoa, whoa.We see what's going on in the March and one last year is just as egregious.But this is the thing now.I think the league might have to be like, OK, we know he's not going to play six more years.

You know, he's not going to play six more years.Even if you're an insurance companies, all of a sudden, after three years, he says, oh, my knee's no good.I'm going to collect that check.I think if I'm the insurance company, I'm going, I don't know about this.I need to look into that.

Shouldn't it?I do think it should be looked at least just have to do it and then they'll start looking at it.I Guess it kind of wrong though with Tanneff, but he's trying to play but at least Luke Shan's a great guy.

Okay, love everywhere and Vancouver needs some character in the room.

Yeah, that's good.I mean they got Gallagher and him.I mean, that's a lot of character It's just not sure how many wins.

It's gonna be a little tough character, right?Yeah, just be a little tough, you know accumulating some losses.

like that Assets my pecs.Yeah, bring home a bring home a hero bring home a hero that won the mechanic.

Yeah, so I Wrote on that game in regular laws that given regulation I wrote today on sportsnet .

ca that it looks like Jason Robertson's best case scenario may be just to sign a arbitration contract at one year.

No, that's Mental risky like Dallas Dallas probably offering a mate by 12, right?Yeah Are you guys 7 by 12 now?

No, no, 8 by 12.You're right.And that was, I guess, two months ago.Right.And God, is this going to be Seattle offered him maybe a hundred and thirty.I think I think it was fifteen five.

Yeah.Fifteen six.

Someone that Klingberg is going to say he should sticks out to me.It's honestly like he should call John Klingberg and talk to John Klingberg.Yeah.Who's a free agent, by the way.

So here's here's where you're right.It's kind of unique because this doesn't really happen because very seldom do we see players in Jason Robertson's position where you're kind of a free agent, but you're not a free agent.You got this one -year window where you're a restricted free agent.And that one year is really screwing things up because if Dallas moves off of their 12 million from a few months ago and goes to 13, you can sit there and go, okay, that 13 is really like, 15 in somewhere else.right.And that's okay.

But if I sign it and it's an eight year deal prior to last night, great.But what I can't sign on that eight year deal at $13 million is next season's trade protection.So I can agree to Dallas is 13 times eight.And then Jim Neal the next day could trade me to Seattle.And my contract goes to 13 in Seattle when I turn down 15, 5, and I'm leaving $30 million on the table.And I look like a donkey.

He can't get trade protection at his age as an RFA.Can't get trade protection.He's not there yet.

Right?That is fascinating.

So right now, how does he have protection?

He doesn't have protection.He has zero protection.Oh, he's just saying he won't sign extensions.He won't sign extensions.So you can now trade my rights.to anywhere you want, and they can sign me to a seven -year deal and still have the ability to trade me if they're not happy by Christmas or January, February.

And now it's just like, who do you trust?

That's a dangerous game, brother.

So you're within 12 months of controlling your destiny with cash and a no -move clause.But if you get traded or you sign in Dallas, you don't have total control of your destiny for the next seven years.

year.No, they won't match.They won't match.

They'll take four first.They'll take four first.But who's doing that?And who has the four picks?It gets a little tricky.It's a lot.

And really, you're probably in a position to say, well, I give four first rounders, man, just sign them next summer.So it's tricky now.

But I mean, this is The way this is constructed is that the teams have some control.The fans know that they have their players for X amount of time, and he's young to have this success and be in this spot.So it is very seldom.Do we see this?He should probably get a commitment from a team.Look him in the eye.

If he signs an eight -year deal, no one's going to turn around.

No, eight's done.

But I'm saying if Dallas signs him to an eight -year deal.

Before last night.

Today.

Yeah.

No, they can't sign in eight years.Dallas can't sign him in seven years now.

Seven.

But still, they're not going to turn around and trade him after signing him immediately.Why?Because who?Well, that you would have to have those good faith conversations that...

Okay, good faith.

Yeah, good faith.You think they're gonna look in the eye and be like, we're not gonna trade you.

Sike!

Like, come on, kid, grow up.Men look each other in the eye and say, are you gonna keep me or not?If you want me..

.

If they don't want him, then trade him now.

They know what he is.Jim Nill gets fired in November, December.The owner wants to trade or sell the team by Christmas.This is a fantasy you're creating.No, it's not.So they signs.

Jim Nill gets fired and he turns into a different player.

Just sign the contract, buddy.Strick came on our show yesterday, made the best point.It probably doesn't matter.He's going to get paid regardless if he gets hurt.So, you know, he was like, you know, he's somebody's not going to pay him even if he does get hurt.

If that's the case, something would have been done a long time ago.Okay, if he was just about the money, Sam, as what you're trying to tell me to, he would have signed by now.$130 million in Seattle and said, I don't care.You're going to suck for three years.I'm taking my money.He's not like that.

No, that's not what I'm saying.I mean, like, even if he takes the one year contract from Dallas, gets hurt.

Yes.

Somebody is still going to give him $100 million.

But he's not like that.He wants to handpick his team at 25 years old and get paid.

But that's the kids today.

He wants his cake and eating it.Totally.He's not about the money.He's about the money and the team.

But I get your, look me in the eye, shake hands.Four months later, you're going to see you later?

Come on.There's already a lot of bad blood right now between Dallas and Robertson.

I don't think he trusts They trust each other as far as they can bowl each other.

Ship them out.

Right?

Ship them out.As far as they can bowl each other?

Yeah.Yeah, it's tough to bowl a human.I've never heard that one before.Anything else jump out to you before we get to break?Do Damodov.Oh, and Byram signed a bajillion dollar deal.

Twelve and a half.

Oh.

Times six.

Oh.Chicago just desperate, eh?This is..

.Yeah.I think he's good.

I do too.I like the player.I would hope.He's in the exact class of, you know, Rasmus Andersen got eight and a half.Darren Radish got eight and a half.

Give him nine.This is what I've learned over the last few years, especially with the cap going up, is every time, and Leon Dreisaitl did it at 14 million, you're like, ooh, ooh, ooh.And I was like, hey, Leon, looking good.Edmonton, looking good at 14 million.

Yes.And that But it's the Marner thing where you're going.It's not that the number's bad.It's the number in context to what everyone else is doing.And what everyone else is doing is not Bo Byram's worth 12 and a half mil.That's a lot for a guy who's been a third, third D on to quote.

The price is right.

That's too much, Bob.Rasmus Andersen, eight and a half times seven.Is that done?Done.Would you rather have Rasmus Andersen?That was done, like, days after he got traded there.

Let's be honest.

Why did he have to wait for today?

Because it had to do with a new calendar year and what you could do on your cap.

They're just, Vegas just threw overboard all the spare parts, kept everything else that kept the boat running and People really dumped on him at the end too.

He was, they asked a lot of him.Are the people in this room?

No, I was, yeah, Ali made some bad plays, but I think for the most part, he's a minute butcher and he brings a lot to the table.

So that's, I think this kind of answers my question.You'd rather have him at eight and a half than Radish at eight and a half?Because I'd rather have Radish.

Different play styles, right?Radish needs someone who can move a puck.

Radish can get 15, 20 goals and 60 points, then it's Radish's offense.

You see that there on our TV?Trouba to the Sharks and Mason Marchman.Sharks are starting to throw some money around.

Four years, $8 .25 million?

That's a hell of a deal for Trouba.

Can I hire his agent?Troubadour.That's insane.Did you see when...

Hold on for a second.Again, right -handed shots that can play 15, 20 minutes.Put your shoulder through your...That guy scares people.Okay.And it's rare.

Okay.It's very rare to find still a guy like Trouba who could end someone's career if their head's down.

There's a...He hasn't been in as many careers as he did.

It's still the threat out there, though, Sam.You just don't see it because it's after you go to sleep.No.

Listen, he had a three -year stretch there where...He was Scott Stevens.He was...I know.Hurtin' boys.But that hasn't been the same.

Something that fascinated me, there's a Twitter account, JockTaxes, I think it's called, and it does a lot of hockey stuff.And when Eklund went from San Jose to Ottawa, he actually saved $300 ,000 in taxes on his contract, with the point being that taxes in San Jose and California are even worse.Like, coming to Canada, you save money than these California deals.So you don't hear about that as much when you talk about Canada and the perils of coming up north, you know?

Good point.California's worse.Good point by you, buddy.I'm here to help, pal.

You just need a good accountant these days.

You got one?

Yeah, plenty.

He's got a team.He's got an army.

It's like juggling these, right?

Keep as many as these as you can.Debit off, Montreal, eight years, 9 .125 million.

But is there magic when it comes to like making undervalued contracts in a short period of time?

It's all, you know, Nathan McKinnon playing for $6 million for all those years, or go through the list, Brad Marchand, never been paid.It's because these guys, when they're young, they go long, and the team locks them up early.Demidov is so good, so talented.There's no chance five years from now that he couldn't sign for 15.

We should get into this more on there.And we got Bucs running over from the TV to come in here.

Jason Bucala, Pro Hockey Group, will be in studio with us as he shifts over from the television side.Plenty more on this Free Agent Day, Canada Day, on Real Kipper and Bourne.Do not go away.up on the national hour.Sammy, is it national hour?Let's just pretend it is.

Let's not.

Let's just talk.

Please.Can I say we're live on sports?Three sixty five.Ninety the fans streaming, blah, blah, blah.

I'm having a jujube.

This hour of Real Kipper and Born is brought to you by Bet365.

It is brought to you by Bet365.Net Kipper host Justin Bourne.Sammy McKee.All right.What's the latest here, Sammy?Goalie Bob, according to

our Elliot Friedman.

Goalie Bob.I love the way that Frege tweeted this out.I do believe the Sergei Bobrovsky to Toronto arrival is upon us.

We're in the Bob era.Bob and Stolars are back, baby.The former tandem of the Florida Panthers.They win the Stanley Cup together?They did.

Yeah, they did.

Edmonton got Devin Levi.

Yeah, he's, he's, where did Devin go?

Edmonton, who let Conor Ingram go to market.Oh my gosh.

I know, it's just not the solution.No, it's another project.No, it's another project.

It's the meme, the, is this something?Like the, is that a Levi thing?All right, we're good.

Lebrowski.Lebrowski.38 years old.Most recently after, you know, watching Carolina lift the cup.Did it twice in Florida at a very high level.Had an off season last year.

Leafs are hoping he can still regain that high end level.What are your thoughts?

456 career goalie wins.I believe that's eighth all time.I believe that part of the reason his year last year wasn't great, this combination of the team not being great and him just kind of, ah, this is not our year.I also think part of the reason their year was bad is because he wasn't great.So I don't know if he can give them league average goaltending, but play 55 games.I'm in.

Give me a 897 and 55 starts.

For me, this is, I would say, a look ahead.Not a look ahead, but the first sign that they expect that this team's gonna be good enough to get them back into the playoffs, because, like, he, you know, he's had some good regular seasons or whatnot, but over the past three playoff years, he's the dude.He has been undeniably the best playoff performer for the Florida Panthers in these games.And I know there's Sam Bennett or whatever, but the key reason that they won their back -to -back Stanley Cups was multiple series stolen by him.So good against Toronto.He was unbelievable against Toronto the first year, like unbelievable.

He stole one.His playoff numbers are really, really good.So I think that there is some massive risk and we've yet to see the number here.

And it sounds like three years is, is confirmed.

Elliot had reported some of this.We mentioned that I don't hate three could get it.I'm officially on board is what I'm telling you.

Yeah.I'm in.I'm I don't mind it at three years.He is a different bird when it comes to the way he takes care of himself.A lot of people want to say, okay, is this at bell for all over again?One guy takes care of himself.

off the ice a lot better than the other guy did.Yeah.And I think it's, it's in play right now that he is this specimen.And at times you got to get him off the ice.At times you got to convince him not to play.Can the Leafs do that?

Can they load management him?You know, Kawhi is back with the Raptors.

McKechnie, get them both in a room.

There's the same guy.

McKechnie's 74, eh?

The one thing, though, that has stood out for me with Bobrovsky, which I'll never forget what he said, is when Barkov's on the ice, everything falls in place.And he doesn't have Barkov, and it's going to have a different feel, for sure, for him.How quickly can he adjust?How quickly can Hiller come in and change the...Three times seven.Three times seven.

There you go.Perfect.

Fine.Okay, that's fine.Yeah.The one thing that stands out to me, and this is one of my core beliefs as a hockey analyst, is that elite lasts.You know, like the great players stay great longer than you expect them to.They have one or two more years of, obviously, Crosby and Ovechkin are doing it.

They're extreme examples, but Corey Perry continues to do it.These guys that are great, great players, they do it longer.And Bobrovsky, obviously, is getting towards the end of his career.But, you know, Lundqvist and Brodeur and these guys were good for a long time.I think he's at least got one or two more good ones, at least league average.I gotta tell you.

Which I'm okay with.

Him signing here shows me competitive nature.Well, that's Brett Favre going to the Vikings, basically.I mean...I understand that the Leafs gave him more than anybody else was going to give him.Extra year, a little bit extra.But the fact...

I don't worry about that.

The fact that he's willing to leave what is probably the most comfortable situation in the league, take last stare, already made a ton of money in his career, two -time Stanley Cup champion.The fact that he's willing to leave that situation to come here, under the lights, under the eyeballs of the biggest fan base in the league, shows me that he's a competitive freak.Like, I'm really surprised.

And I think that's part of the checklist on why to do this.He has Stanley Cup pedigree, and he needs to show a lot of people, including 34 and 88, it.And not just mentoring the goalies there, and Stolarz has had that already, but there's other guys underneath him now.he's going to work throughout the organization with, but he needs to go in there and teach some of those guys how to win.

Well, I mean, Hildeby, bye -bye, right?I mean, Stolarz, Akhtiomov, Hildeby.

Hildeby, he can't play on the Marlies, Hildeby?

Well, they can.

No, he's got value to somebody.These guys feel NHL.I would think if you ever have a chance or you want to throw a deal to Columbus now for Wenske, Hildeby's in there.

You got Jack Greaves, let this guy be your backup for the next season.Something, something.

Yeah.I'm just telling you right now that the position of goaltender, taking out Wall and bringing in Sergey Bobrovsky for next season.

Feels better.Yeah.It's better.There's a part of me that our Steve Valliquette, our regular Tuesday guy.That's buzzing in the back of my brain, brother.Don't you worry.

He wouldn't have touched it with a 10 -foot pole.

Hey, that means something to me.You know, I can't sit here and be hyper -confident.I just, all the things we mentioned.Elite, you know, is important.It's history, it's competitiveness, it's fitness.Makes me believe that maybe this is fixable for, you know, for what Valley saw last year out of them.

Here's to hoping.

Can't have a terrible goal to me all year.

Yeah.I just, I think the value of having somebody after what we've experienced here for the past two seasons in terms of who's going to play net, who's going to be in there, having the value of being like, we have the goalie, the goalie that displays is going to be the goalie.And, you know, we got to bank on an inevitable Stolarz injury in a game that he backs up in or whatever's going to happen.Then you have Aktyumov, who's a guy that another Russian, though I'm not saying because they're both Russians, they have to be, you know, doesn't hurt.Doesn't hurt.Yep.

To have maybe the best Russian goalie in the last 20 years to be right there.So anyways, three by seven.All right.

Darnell Nurse, only a list of three teams, Florida or I'm sorry, Philly.Pittsburgh, and Boston.And the San Jose Sharks want him.Not only do they want him, they take full freight on his contract.

Right.

He doesn't want to go to San Jose.

He ain't looking to go that way.Yeah, he's got a family east, I believe.

Yeah, yeah.

You know, I think Pittsburgh had interest.That name had come up.

Yeah, but they want Ryan Graves to go that contract back.

Oh, really?Yeah.Shaky Graves.He's a little dicey back there.

Well, he's at five.Uh, 4 .5.So 4 .5 is 5 .5 enough savings for Edmonton?

Well, but if you don't want Ryan Graves, then.

They don't.Yeah.They don't.But they can also take nine and 9 .25 and just keep it.

Right.What happened?We need a 30 for 30 on that Ryan Graves.grades contract.

He played for Colorado who looked awesome and had the best plus minus in the NHL playing third pair of minutes and everyone is like, yeah, he's awesome.

And then that's where the analytics can trick you a little bit.Totally.

How much context is crucial.I think he has six times four and a half.Um, if I'm not mistaken.

But there is a demand for nurse.Everybody would love his toughness and his durability.

I literally said, I'd like him for the week.I'd like someone who could skate and punch.Not that he wants to punch as a primary thing, but yeah.

So.We'll wait on that, but there are some, I think it's a tougher room to go back to for Nurse than it would be probably for even others like Larkin.

What about, why, just because he, they went to the cup final and he still said get me out of here?It's one thing when your team's no good and you want to win.It's another thing when your team's winning and you still want out.Yeah.He's been beat to smithereens.Played a ton of hockey in the last.

He won't play in Canada.

No?

No.So to your point for the Leafs, it's not happening.Really?He's next Canada.

What about Riley?Because like, I think Pignotta tweeted something to the effect of San Jose, you know, signed 2 -D, right?They got Truba and someone else?Maybe just, oh, they got Marchment was the other big one.So just the 1 -D.

Does that take, Riley off the table for San Jose seems like they're looking for some guys who can skate and move the pile again to kind of mirror Edmonton's philosophy with nurse It doesn't sound like Chico has any interest in holding on to any of the seven and a half For Morgan, so if you just signed Truba and you're making all these moves I don't know if they can even want to go down the path of Morgan Reilly and San Jose.

It is interesting.San Jose is like, we got a bunch of skill.We're going to need some toughness, you know, that Truba.

I'm like, I get that Darnell Nurse is for, yeah, but he makes $2 million more.And, you know, I don't think he's necessarily nearly as good offensively.Like I, I don't understand why nurse is so much more valuable than Reilly.They're both brutal contracts that shouldn't have a ton of tough.I know he's tough.I get that.

He's tough.Yeah.But, like, he's tough in his own zone sometimes, too, boys.Like, I don't know if you watched that series.Tough to watch.Did you watch the Ducks series?

Like, they skated circles around him.

I'd still like to play the Florida Panthers with Darnell Nurse on the team and off the team and live with a few blunders.

I'm with you.I think he's got value.

One note I put in on Sportsnet .ca was DJ Smith signing and becoming the highest paid assistant coach.

I think he's getting a million dollars.as an assistant.

A million a year.

Sick.That's good work.What does that mean, right?What do you mean?

What does it mean?

Well, was there a second team offering 900?Like what?

No, I think for the most part, assistant coaches now are anywhere between 400 and 750.And DJ Smith is regarded as a really good coach.Yeah, he is. I think he's great.And when he gets his chance to be a head coach again, he's going to be better than he ever has been.No argument.There's just a learning process for a guy that young, too, as well, to figure it out.

Hiller, hopefully, after his stints, is now that guy in a similar position.

Yep.

So there's a bit of a tug -of -war between Toronto and Edmonton on I thought there would be.DJ Smith.I heard the seller was that Babcock kind of left a little bit money on the table to give it to DJ Smith.

To get the guy he wanted.

Yeah.

Good for Babs.How much money did Babs get?Enough to leave it on the table?Well, if he's getting two, now he's keeping 1 .75 and DJ gets a chunk or something.

But that's how sought out DJ Smith was.Hold on.So I also wrote today that, well, why wouldn't the Leafs now that Paul Coffey's not going back.Go back behind the bench for Hiller and the Toronto Maple Leafs.Paul Coffey, to me, is a no -brainer.He made that blue line so much better.

He made Bouchard better.He made Nurse better.Even if you brought Morgan Rielly back,I'd like to see him work with Paul Coffey.

Yeah.Do you have any concerns, like, things didn't go well in the coaches' room with, what's his name there, Knobloch?Oh, yeah, we know that.Yeah.We know that.Like, is Coffey tough to deal with in that way?

Is there, you know— No, I don't think there was any other issues except maybe, I think there's a certain element of old -school kind of dealings that I think was well -respected out of Paul, and Knobloch had a softer... warm blanket ish approach.

Yeah, listen, I'm fine with it, right?Like he he did do a good job with Edmonton's D. I don't know about his relationship with Hiller, but you get some have some understanding that maybe they've talked or no, no, no, I've known nothing.

I was just throwing spitball in here because we got two hours and I got a tee off.That doesn't start for a while still.

Yeah, I don't there.I mean, we've got the goal bond.

That's going to be a hot one.Oh, man, it's a misery.

First thing here, I just find this hilarious.Kerfoot signed in Nashville, three and a half million.Has he made three and a half million every single contract?Ten straight years at three and a half.What do you need me to do?

What a nice world for Kerfoot.

PK, PP, three and a half.I'll do it.

Three and a half.I'll play 15 minutes and 12 seconds.I'll get you 43 points.

How many years did he get?Two.Three and a half by Nashville.Oh, Colton Sissons, Toronto.

Two times 4 .25.What was the other $4 million deal?Oh, they just did Ross if I get 2 .2 times 4.Interesting.Sissons is a 6 foot 2, 6 foot 1, 200 and some pound.Penalty killer.

Penalty killer.

And a good face -off guy.

Centerman.Pretty good skater.I saw some of the dorks talking about the 84th percentile skater for a bottom six guy.32 years old.Right hand shot center.

You just need some of those guys to handle some of that.that.

New, fresh, different look.Yeah, you hope it kind of clicks a little bit and they can find themselves in the thick of things.That's all.

You know, I love having guys that, oh, either he's super tough or he's super fast or super whatever.This is one of those guys.He's okay.

He's fine.I can't sit here and drum up a Colton Sissons opinion for you.

I like those hits.He like hits sometimes.But like 4 .25.

It's a Nick Wah feel.

Yeah, like I'm hoping it was better.A little bit more dynamic, though.Like is he a better skater now?

Oh, I'm sure he's a better skater, but I think Nick Wah would be a better player than Sissons would be, wouldn't he?

Yeah.Well, I just think this guy is clearly a defensive center.That's going to be more of the clear role for him.

So, yeah, you got to fill out the bottom of the order here.And I think One of the main contentions that a lot of Leaf fans had with Craig Berube last year, boys, is that all these defensive zone starts for Matthews and like his matchups or whatever.I'm not saying this guy's Phil Deneau or whatever, but at least he's a guy that you can start in a defensive zone who was a little bit more defensive minded.So you don't have to send Matthews out there to do all the grunt work.So he's a grunt, but 4 -2 -5 is quite a bit.Yeah, that's a bit high.

That's a bit high.But this is what it costs.Apparently, this is free agent signings cost.You know, assets to get a guy.You got to pay to get them.

So that's they spent 15 and a half million dollars on Colton Sissons, Jack Rokossovic and Sergei Borovsky.Is that right, Matt?

I didn't listen to the first part of your sentence, but 15 mil.

Yeah, that sounds right.Sounds about right.Seven plus eight.Yeah, I nailed it.That's a lot.That's a lot.

That's a lot.I want to talk more before we do game time at the break.We mentioned it quickly as we went.But Demidov signing that massive contract with the Habs.We can go through a whole bunch of stuff.Okay.

The Demidov one.

Yeah, we all like it.It's worked for them so far.They are going to need next level stuff, though, to keep the momentum going.And they need they need a stud.They need a stud down the middle of the ice.

Well, it's so funny because before I read someone's tweet, I think it was Arup and Basu.And it's like under contract until 2030 is like Hudson and Caulfield and Slavkovsky and Suzuki and Demidov and all these guys.And, you know, that's great.But the next part of that is.Hope you're good.Otherwise, you got a team that's not good enough locked up for a long time.

So you hope it reminds you of when the Sens were signing everybody and they were like, oh, my God, we got everyone.

It's all cheap.

OK, well, you better hope you're good.

Yeah.Otherwise, you just got to add to it.We got in a little argument about this at the desk and I wanted to bring it up here.But you being like, why would he sign that contract?Well, like, how much money is that total put in front of you?

Two million or seventy five million.

That's I mean, hard to turn down.

I mean, if he signs five years and they give him $8 million per and for $40 million, he gets to redo this again in five years, $40 million is a pretty good guarantee.I guess.And then the calf's just doing this.I think he's a player player.How old is he again?20.

20.

I just don't want to be the guy who everyone's looking at your contract and going, that guy's making peanuts.That sucks.He's making peanuts.And you're like locked up for three more years.

Yeah.

I want to have the flexibility.

Individual preference on security and Yeah, expectations and all of it.

There's totally the case that like, how much money do you need?But then you can make that about all these deals.You know, it's like, I mean, well, the guys are trying to make the most they can.

I'm sure.I mean, looking ahead eight years, I'm sure Demidov's going to be able to sign another pretty sweet one at age 28.For sure.For sure.Something tells me he might be getting paid again.

Any thoughts on, okay, if we're going to see all of these kind of trickle in, my understanding is Anaheim's trying to lock in Leo Carlson, but I don't think 10 and a half million on an AAV will get it done.Good.Leo Carlson is awesome.Right?12, 13, 14.Where do you see Bedard?

Where do you, let's go further on Makar and Quinn Hughes.lot.

X percentage of the cap.Therefore, that's 53 million.Therefore, he'll make 53 million.Like, it's not even a conversation.There's no negotiating.Best player, that's how much he's allowed to get.

That's how much he got.

Leon Dreissel did it with 14 million.They didn't want to go 14 million.

But that wasn't 20 % of the cap, I don't think.

No, but it was still a big jump from, I guess, Austin and Connor and Nate McKinnon.And then it was like, that's the number.And then when they found out that that's really the number, then it's like, okay, let's sign it now.

Yeah.

And that's.

And it's already a discount.I know it's sounds high, but like if he's available today, what would you give Leon Dreisaitl?

More.

Here's 18 to play for my team.Like.

Much more.

The numbers are going to be different and we're going to have to make that adjustment mentally.But is Bedard, he's eligible to sign his now?

Yes.Him and Carlson are both eligible.Yeah.

Hey, Bedard's got to be getting close to show me what we're doing here.

Yeah.Yeah, I don't know.Uh, no, but close.What's close for you?Two years?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.Maybe.We're Bo Byram.We fixed it.

Will any of these guys get sheeted?

Carlson's an interesting one.

Oh, I would do it in a heartbeat.

Yeah.

I'd jack them up to 15, 16, 17.

Go ahead and match.That's what you're supposed to do with an offer sheet.You're supposed to make the team go, oh, we're not doing that.Sign them for a year or two, get them in your order.

They'd have no choice but to sign it.Anaheim.Anaheim, yeah.They wouldn't like it, but they would match it.

Like you made yesterday though, it's competitive and you have to make competitive offers to make them pay them if you're competing with them.

Yeah, sorry, Lawton went to the re -sign of the Kings.I saw Lawton's name come up.

Did you find out the number?Because I think it started out like he was in the ballpark of wanting $5 million.

I mean, Colton Sissons just got 4 .25.Lawton is absolutely five million after that.

But Lawton wanted like five times four, 20 million, not two years.

Right.

Yeah, yeah, that's different.I don't know.Did he get the money end term out of L .A.?Unclear on that yet.

Just got a resigning.

We hopefully should get that.Do you guys want to do game time?

Sure.

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Okay, let's take a quick break.Jason Bukala off the TV side will join us.We'll recap what we've watched, heard, seen in the last few hours, and maybe a few more will trickle in by the time we're done.That and more when we return to Real Kipper and Bourne.

The bottom six is getting a bit of a veteran overhaul.Teddy Bluger has been added as a centreman, 31 years old, making two timestwo and a half.

Like, perfect fourth line centerman.

He's a fourth line centerman.He played two, killed two minutes per game of penalties, takes draws, you know, okay, okay.

Okay.

You know, like, these are solid guys that are not, you know.

The mandate was.

Veterans, good pros.

Depth guys up front.

Yeah.

Right?

Yeah.

The support cast.

Right.And just kind of waiting to see what else happens here.

Right.I mean, I'm looking at like it kind of laid out here.So you're still going to.Yeah, I don't know.What don't you like, Sam?I don't mind it, but you're still going to need like some contributions from one of the Marley's guys or two of the Marley's guys.

Quillen is probably going to be a part of this picture at some point.It doesn't sound like there's room now.That's a couple of centers that kind of block them out.Yeah, good point.Dakota Joshua was part of a very good line with Bluger in Vancouver once upon a time.I can see that as a sort of a depth lineup.

At least the lineup makes sense now, where your bottom six guys are like - Ryan's still in the plans.Why did he get three years again?They got three, yeah, four years, Jeeves.They got three - Is it four?Yeah.3 .1 or 3 .2 million in cap space, but I do think Riley still goes out.

But yeah, that's, uh, there's still decisions to be made.I feel like there's still stuff happening here.Bluger, Sissons, Roslevic, Lebrovski.Busy day.Pizetta?Will he play next year?

No.Okay.I don't think so.No?Where?Tell me where.

The one thing that stands out to me with all these guys is like, it's just not a lot of guys with like a lot of, you know, scaring anybody.No, like I like Teddy Blueger.He's a nice NHL player.

Nice.

Nice.

He doesn't scare anybody.

He's fine.He had 20.Yeah, he's like a 30 -some PIMS a year.

Anyway.

All right.

Where do you want to go around the league through the numbers?

Yeah, March meant five years 7 million year.Nice story going back to San Jose million where his dad played.Wow, I guess I was there the year he was drafted and he played in the ECHL 30 games to the Marlies and I cannot believe this guy's made 50 some million NHL dollars.It's insane.And why do you say that's insane?He didn't have great feet.

He was skinny.

I'll tell you another reason.It's his sixth NHL team, if I'm not mistaken.Like he he's like a Seinfeld episode.You know how to take the reservation.You just don't know how to hold the reservation.Like they like you just like something about him.

Yeah.How come he can't?Nobody wants to keep him.

He can do he.He can do all these things.He has crazy good hands, like crazy good hands for a six foot four, six, five, whatever he is guy.He could do physically mean things where you're like, wow, like he's tough.And then he's just kind of a rock head at certain moments where you're like, oh, what?So I think people like see all the tools and they're like, all right.

And then they see moments where they're like, oh, right.But again, he played 370 games in his career on five different games.That's crazy.

It's a lot of change.

Nothing more shameful than trading him for Dennis Mulligan.Crazy move.Like an all -time Leafs trade.An all -time.

You couldn't see any of that?

They did.I know for a fact they did.They thought he couldn't stay healthy.They thought he would never be healthy.That's what they thought.

Really?Yeah.Interesting.I mean, Mulligan's been healthy.Healthy as a horse.

But he never gets hit.Plays 30 games a year in the Swiss League.Never gets bumped.Anyway.

Again.full circle, size and toughness at a premium right now.

This is a true, like skill was a thing where it was like, it's an undervalued thing 15 years ago or something.Now it's find someone with some bite to their game.Nico Hichier, 11 and a half mil times five years.Nothing to comment on that.Checks out.Vladar, five years, 27 .5 million extension to be their starting goalie.

earned a lot of respect in that organization for the season that he had last year, and he was certainly rewarded for it, but kind of snuck up on everybody a little bit.Expectations now, like a lot of pressure on him.Florida, or I'm sorry, Philadelphia now.No setbacks too.They got to move forward here.Is that lineup good enough to go back to the playoffs?

Philly just strikes me as that exact team that's like, how do you get those next level guys?Those top end talent, like they need Mieczkow to hit.They need him to be a dude.There's books.They really quick for the Leafs since they've hired John shake it.Chris Johnson tweeted out the outlist out wool.

Urson, Carlo, Benoit, Michelli, Robertson, the inlist, Bobrovsky, Radish, Andre, McKenna, Sissons, Rostovic, Luger.We will get boost is taken off.

Yeah, Jason Bukala Pro Hockey Group Sports said, of course, does a terrific job for us.Former NHL scouting director is now on set as he gets settled in.Not a typical Boogs.How are you, my friend?Jujube.

We had an embarrassment of sweets over there today.

Oh, you did.You did.How'd you find the day?Sweet as well?

Action -packed at the end.A little curious in the middle, but...

This was a day about third and fourth liners.

It was, except for San Jose.You know, like, taking the...It's interesting what San Jose's doing.Trouba's not necessarily a pure top four anymore.I'd call him more like a four -and -a -half, but he played... you know, maybe an overpayment there for him, but they can do it right now, can't they guys?San Jose is on the verge of being a real problem.

I had said earlier that they were prepared to take Darnell Nurse's whole contract.

Really?Wow.

But he doesn't want to go there.

That's a complicating factor.So that's a whole nother story.Yeah.Get me started on that.Yeah.

So clearly to your point, money's not that much of an object right now, uh, as they, They build that blue line.

Right, right.And, you know, Anaheim not wanting to bring him back or I don't even know if there was an appetite to do that or not.It doesn't matter.Anaheim really has to get focused in on what they have to do with their money with Gauthier and Carlson going forward here.And that's how they've tried.

I think they tried a ten and a half for Carlson, is my understanding.I think he's going to be more than that.

You like him?Do you offer sheet him?Uh, for four first, uh, well, obviously I'm thinking about it right now.Yeah.He's going to go to 13, I think.Yeah.

Like his number's 13.

Yeah, yeah.

I mean, as soon as Bowen Byron puts pen to paper in Chicago at 12 and a half, that takes Bedard to 13 at least, right?So then...

Oh, 15.

Okay, so 15.Geez, really?So that it takes, well, but do you think it's a long -term or a bridge?Cause I'm, I, I think he's, he's kind of like, you know, prove it to me a little bit here, guys, my entry level didn't exactly go great.We're not a very good team.So where do we like, maybe, maybe three, three at 13 or fourth.

I don't know.But as far as the Canadian franchises go, I have to say.Edmonton's in a whole heap of trouble.They really are.You think so, eh?Yeah, I do.

I just think that the goaltending thing there, the Devin Levi thing is, you know, that's fine.OK.You know, but.

Another experiment, though.

It's another.That's what I mean.It's just OK.And he wants to play like part of the reason why he went out of buff so bad was because he wants to be the guy.Yeah.And he hasn't proven yet that he can be that guy.

I know the goalie development people there in Buffalo very well.And it's not that they didn't like him.You know, he just wasn't he's not he's not that guy.So curious to see what Edmonton does there.But in the bigger picture at Edmonton, like, what are you going to do here, guys?Like Freddie Anderson is still floating around out there.

He only made 275 last year as a veteran guy.But I mean, without being able to unload nurse and do something like when I heard Bob Roski's name getting thrown around at Edmonton Circles, I just never saw that happen.I never saw that.

No.Just because of the money?

No, because, you know, I think Kipper and I, even off air, we had a little bit of a conversation about it.Like his wife lives in Miami or they live in Miami.There's a real big Russian population in Miami.They have a call.They have a thing.They have a community there.

OK.And he's got a young family.So, you know, It's one thing to play in the East where you can hop on a plane from Miami to Toronto and be here in a couple hours and stay the weekend, you know, stay at the Four Seasons in Yorkville.I don't, you know, eat, shop, do, you know, all the things that, it's a, it's a great city.It's a culture.It's a culture thing.

And it's, yeah, it's a lot of Ukrainians in Edmonton.My, my people are all out there.It's maybe not ideal.That might not be a good mix.That's not, not, not the right fit.

Uh, just to stay on, uh, Edmonton.A lot of players have a couple of different times that they submit no trade lists.Bennington did his recently.someone in Edmonton suggested to me that Winnipeg's on his list and Edmonton isn't.

They should go get Binnington.Go get Winnington.Just go Winneton.

No, they have to.They absolutely have to.So, I'm doing this off the top of my head.I think they got 5 -9 left on their cap, somewhere around there.So, Binnington's at whatever, he's at 6.6 and change.

The st. Louis Blues in the history of Doug Armstrong being there have only retained salary one time and it just happened recently is that right?Yeah, it's the first time it's ever happened.So the owner there doesn't want to be retaining any money.

All right books the Toronto Maple Leafs like this is Brand -new team kind of feel kind of is yeah.Yeah, right It is needed to be a lot of depth a lot of depth new moves including Bobrovsky and you know you as a part of a scouting staff once upon a time in Florida your overall thoughts 38 years old coming off an offseason two ways about this he can hit the high note as early as October or we could see him kind of fall off a little bit like past Hall of Famers like Marc -Andre Fleury and Henrik Lundqvist.What side does he go?

I think he goes more the Ed Belfort, Dominic Ashwick way to be honest with you.I really do.I really like him.So Listen, there's going to be days.We used to call it good Bob, bad Bob, back in Florida.And like anything else, there's going to be some days.

Speaking to some of my ex -colleagues and just people in the game, load management and, you know, the Raptors just picked up Kawhi yesterday and I'm sure we're going to hear a lot about that and basketball.I think it's really key to take a look at his body of work over the last three, four, five years compared to just last year.A lot of stuff went on in Florida in front of him last year.They were chasing wins until they weren't injuries, et cetera, et cetera.Everything was different last year, and that affects your goaltending.He played 53 games, I think, last year.

For me, personally, the threshold there is 45 games in regular season.So find your other games with your other goaltender.If that's still ours, so be it.I have a thought on this as well, by the way, in a second here.You're going to get a good version of him.He's highly competitive.

He's healthy.He's healthy.He's in fantastic shape.And he has a process, guys.Practice and with the goalie coaching every day.He wants to feel the puck so many times.

He wants to go through a certain sort of regime every day.He's highly competitive.And he's a winner.He's a proven winner.So now here's the thing.I think he He like at the AMA, great playoff run.

Where are you with with all of this here?Because Hildeby's not getting through waivers.Something is going to happen there.He would get plucked from waivers.I think that in a perfect world, in a perfect world, you have.Bobrovsky, Hildeby, Akhtiyamov.

And you're going to expose Stolarz.

And you expose Stolarz.Yes.That's how I'm feeling about it.So now I'm picking up the phone.It's a Western Conference team.This is where I'm looking at the Edmonton Oilers.

The Oilers should be all over that.

For me, the Edmonton Oilers should be all over that.And, you know, see where that goes.

Interesting.

Yeah, that's an interesting fit.

I think he's, I think he's got a mentor, Akiyama.

But the thing with Akiyama, like Hildeby, these guys aren't young anymore.Like, he's going to be 26, Akiyama.Am I right?Yeah, he's 25.I know.He played in the KHL before he came here.

Brandon Duhame to the Leafs, which I really like.

Yeah.Really.Yeah, there's, there's some toughness there.Really like.

So, you know, on the ball.of depth even before we get to the depth the goal tending.Yes, pretty the defense.Yeah.

Yeah I don't know what kind of market there is out there for Stolarz and his health right now.It is a It's a huge concern.

Yeah, well, what's the number for the numbers for right on a brand new contract brand -new four over four?

It's a big commitment still ours.

Yeah, I think he's three and a half or something.

He hasn't started Okay.

Yeah.So three and a half.

I thought it was 16.Yeah, Kip, that does sound familiar and you may be right.It is 3 .75.Okay.Okay.

So we started off in the middle.Right in the middle.Guys, if you're Edmonton, do you not still have to take that risk?Oh, totally.You have to take that risk.You can't.

When he plays, man, he's as good as anyone.You get him healthy and you get the luck.But, you know, he is one inch, I think, and I don't have a medical on this guy or anything, but I think he's close to You know, he might be one injury away, you know, so it's like he might be on Cary Price Island sooner than later.Fair enough.

If it's not taken care of.

So, OK, go ahead.No, go ahead.One of the obvious the main topic conversation was Wierenski today.Yes.Would he go somewhere?You know, we're trying to dream up potential trades where the Blue Jackets would be like, OK, tough to do.

I was wondering if any of the Leafs just drafted 10 guys.

Yeah.

Any of those guys have any interest by the Columbus Blue?Like any of them like ready in the next year or two that the Blue Jackets might say.All right, we're outside of Gavin McKenna.Of course, is there anyone else they drafted who might hold appeal?Because I'm out of guys to give them to make a trade make sense.Yeah, to make a hockey trade, right?

I mean, it's my my yes in the next couple of years, like Blackie Blackie, really good player to a guy understated offense, really competitive.got size, he skates.He's gonna, I think he's three, I think everybody, I'll give you a shorter answer than I, than I, than we have time.Sure.I think they're all three years out.Okay.

From getting games.

So then Columbus is gonna have no interest.

They're not gonna have any interest because, you know, now here's the other thing.Let's be careful here, guys.Let's just take a breath because they just came off a very successful draft.OK, now they have infrastructure.Look at the job capital, even minus their first rounders in the next couple of years.Look at how many picks they have.

Now think back to this.The three of us would probably agree.2019, 2020, I think they had 20 or 21 draft picks.They got one guy out of that that played over 200 games.Right.And then what are you doing for the next three or four years, Kip?

You're chasing, right?You're, well, we're pretty good.I'm going to keep investing draft capital until you have nothing in the, in the coffers coming through the system.So I'm very, yeah, we're asking, it would be great to have, but let's really take stock of where our team is.Like, let's be realistic here before we start.investing what we didn't have before that we just bought at the draft.

Right.You know, you got to get that snowball running down the hill again somehow.

Absolutely.Matthew Nyes, the latest was the link to Dallas through the seventh pick overall, right?If somehow they could find a way to get it.Why do we keep hearing his name out there with multiple teams?

I prefer that we weren't hearing his name out there is one of my answers.Why?Because he's got He's one of the few guys with value in the, I say few guys in the league.Well, maybe it is a few guys in the league, with value that you can trade.You don't have to go to, this is such a weird time to be in the NHL.Don't you guys find?

Players are coming to the general manager, and this is on the GMs, by the way.I'm not feeling sorry for any of the GMs, but they're coming to the organization and saying, I'd like to be here.I'll sign for, by the way, I'm worth $12 million a year.I'm just spitballing.$12 million a year.year over seven years, six years, five years.

It doesn't matter the term.By the way, I want a full new, no move.And by the way, two years from now, when things aren't going the way that I want, I'm also going to ask out and I'm going to tell you where I want to go.

Right.

Craziness.So how does Nye's value even escalate beyond what he really is as a player?That, that you eliminate all that process, that noise.

Yeah.No, that makes a ton of sense.So coming away from today with free agent signings, anything in particular catch your attention that a team either didn't do something or did something where you're surprised by it?Or is it all kind of falling right in line with kind of expectations?

Are we on the national hour right now?Yeah.Okay.Well, before everybody starts blowing my phone out, I'm not a homer.The Toronto Maple Leafs won the last two weeks for me.And I'm not saying that lightly.

I think they had a fantastic draft.I thought Mark Leach did an awesome job at the draft.I really did.I see some value today in what they've added to the lineup.They've gotten faster, guys, right?They've gotten faster and more determined, I believe.

We've seen this before.Now they have to do it, right?But it's a huge turnover.So the mood in the room should be different now.I think it should be.

Sure, they're heading in a new direction.

Totally new direction.So I like that a lot.One thing that I really thought was a cool people from just from a hockey ops perspective, like when Demidov signed his extension and the number associated with that and people get bored to tears listening to me talk about it on TV.But I start planning out where the salary caps going in the next few years.Everybody always associates a value of a contract to the player and say, oh, he's not worth 12 or he's not worth 13.That's not how you look at it from a hockey operations perspective.

You look at it.OK.Suzuki's my highest paid forward.Noah Dobson right now is an anomaly.He's my highest paid player at 9 .5.What's the percentage of that contract in relation to the cap?

And if they have a strategy that they want to try and keep all their players top orknow, the top tier guys between eight and 10 % of their cap value, they've done over, they're doing well, right?You're building a team that way.When teams fall off the rails is when you get two guys or three guys that are eating up between 15 and 18 % of the cap, because then you have to, you go fishing in that bottom pool that the $1 million guys are eating up like 1 % of your cap.Where does it really, really hurt you in the middle of your lineup?Okay, so I thought what Montreal did today set the bar going forward for the next round of some of their young guys coming through.

To that point, we truly won't see a guy just say, give me the max then.Like, Kel McCarr could ask for $20 million.I think the max is $20 .7 million maybe.But then you're just a greedy SOB, right?

Well, you mean you're looking at if you're in a Stanley Cup contending window and you go to the GM Colorado is which they are and you go to the GM Minnesota is Yeah, I would say Minnesota and that's curious to you guys.So that's my exam There's one of my examples because you've got Caprizov at 17.Yeah.Yeah, so he was gonna get what 18 probably so now we're in that window, right?We're in that 15 % window or whatever.It's there's gonna be there's gonna be there's a cause and an effect in there somewhere Something's gonna happen, right?

I don't see any way that Makar ever does that.Because he's not going to, by the way, you do that and then two or three other guys drop off the roster because you did that.How's the mood of that group now when they look at you?They're like, oh, we thought we were going to win Stanley Cup.You took an extra three or four over the duration of your contract, which isn't peanuts.I get it.

But for me, when is enough enough in relation to winning?Like, you know, you got to I want to win.You know, I don't want to just hear to this cash checks that they create fancy vacations with my golf buddy.

I gotta ask you in terms of your X team at the Florida Panthers, who I thinkfeel like they're going to play against Bobby Clark and, you know, Dave Schultz and Don Seleski and the Watson brothers.Like, what is going on with, like, the toughness now with Gutis and all the rest of them?

They have a player type that they value.They feel like that's clearly what they won with in the past.

Justin thinks they're going to be slow.

They are going to be slow.

Yeah.

Doesn't mean they're going to be bad.But you know, there's a difference between being slow.and being smart and slow.Okay, so some guys in the league are just slow, and their routes to kill players are find pucks.Remember Tim Kerr, remember Tim Kerr, back in the day, Kipper, okay?This guy, or Dave Anderchuk, let's do it by Trump.

Find a puck in the middle, like it went from like Phil Esposito, to like the Tim Kerrs, to the Dave Anderchuks, not the fastest guys, but try and knock me off a puck on my route to get where I gotta go to put the puck in the net.Slow, but effective.So the Florida Panthers have got guys that aren't going to play fast.They have some fast guys, but on balance, your team isn't going to be fast.But I'll tell you, it's going to be like a bunch of linebackers coming at you all over.It's going to be, where's the hole for me to run through?

And their route to get there, they're going to hurt you.

I also think that there's a chance they, once again, make the playoffs as like a six seed or something.And beat the hell out of everyone.

100%.

You know, like you can't play that, like, grr mentality 82, 84 times.

Okay, give me real quick.What happens to Wierenski, Larkin, and Robertson?

Wierenski goes back.Larkin is going to be traded by the end of the summer, I believe.And then Robertson is going to re -sign in Dallas.Short -term deal.Love it.

Love it.Hey, Boots, thanks for dropping by.I know it was a long day for you, but we really appreciate your time.Of course.

Thank you.

All right.Just like that, two hours done.Enjoy the rest of your Canada day.We are back the rest of the week, Thursday and Friday, before we sign off once and for all on The Real Kipper Inborn Show.Have a great night, everybody.