Me enredé con una menor: fui tratante y perdí todo | Fernando #Penitencia 178 #entrevista #México

Penitentiary, through Fundación Reinserta, supports children in contact with violence. to be continued... The treatment of people is not always the monster we imagine. Sometimes it presents itself as someone common. With studies, families, work works a seemingly normal life. This chapter forces us to ask uncomfortable questions. How is the profile of someone who is able to profit from the body and the needs of others built? At what point does a person stop being seen as a person and become a commodity? When of this crime is sustained thanks to normalization, silence and complicity? Here we are not talking only about crime, but about internal justifications, about the

mechanisms of power, about how they cross the line that later seems increasingly easier to ignore, and about how certain environments make the unacceptable become everyday. This episode does not seek to soften the treatment or explain it from a distance. It seeks to understand how it operates, why it persists, and how close it is to what we prefer not to see. Thank you for listening to Penitentia. Subscribe, as there are many stories to be heard. Fernando, welcome to Penitentia. Thank you very much. Thank you for being here foreign Yes, 24 years, 9 months, 5 days. 22 days. 22 days.

You don't have to round it down, but...

Better up so it's lighter.

Yes.

And you're in the treatment of...

Yes. ...and corruption of...

That's right. Treatment of...

...and corruption of...

Let's start from the beginning. Okay. Tell me about you. de ti allá afuera creciendo, a que se dedicaban tus papás como foto infancia, cuéntame un poco de donde creciste.

Okay, pues yo soy de la Ciudad de México, antes Distrito Federal, nací en Escapozanco, Distrito Federal antes, y la verdad es que mis padres tuvieron una buena enseñanza de vida moral, ll good moral life teaching, full of discipline, obedience. My grandparents gave them many opportunities, many things. They took advantage of them very well. And as a marriage that was, because my mother died in May of last year. At the age of... because my mom passed away in May of last year. Last year. Yes. Because of age?

Because of an illness. My mom, thank God, is 90 years old. My dad, today, is 94 years old. And full of life, thank God. They gave me... We are four brothers.

And the four of us were given the opportunity to have a professional career. I grew up in Los Angeles, California. I grew up in Los Angeles, California. I grew up in Los Angeles, California. I grew up in Los Angeles, California. I grew up in Los Angeles, California. I grew up in Los Angeles, California. I grew up in Los Angeles, California. I grew up in Los Angeles, California. to a familiar dinner the prosperity he went as close as when as close as a dose

he is a situation is a system from the confounder in the system of a camino de uno a el tener una una economía estable y quizá un poquito arriba de lo normal, eso hace que te desvíes. Y aunque mis padres tenían una instrucción moral hacia cada uno de sus hijos, la decisión la tomamos. Cada uno. Cada uno. Y esas decisiones fueron mal tomadas por parte de algunos en el caso mío.

¿Qué decisiones fueron mal tomadas por parte de algunos en el caso en el caso mío que decisiones fueron mal tomadas en tu caso

ay dios mío pues primeramente me casé muy joven en mi primer patrimonio me casé joven y tuve dos hijos tenía 18 años me casé muy joven y y por la misma juventud y y la rebeldía ante la sociedad pues me conté con una persona nos casamos and the rebellion against society. I married someone, we got married, we had two children. Later, she died of an illness, and I got married again,

but I didn't get married again, I only got married. From that second marriage, we had two daughters. you is I was 12 years old when they arrested me. And the little girl was 6 years old. They are the two girls I had in the second marriage. The two older ones, from the first marriage, they kept coming to see me. My son is 36 years old and my daughter is 32 years old.

They are the oldest. They have a good relationship with their sisters.

How many children did you have?

I had 36, I had 12, 22 years. Very young too, very young. And thank God, because of the situation out there, they had a career. My daughter, the one who follows him, the second, has a professional career, she is a veterinary doctor. Thank God, life was good out there. The decisions that lead you to certain places, in my case, full of prosperity and good economy,

led me to the Andes, to those places of perversion that during the night, as an architect, with my colleagues, engineers...

You gave them architecture. Yes, yes, yes, yes, with my colleagues, engineers. You were in architecture?

Yes, yes, yes, and I finished my degree. And thank God, it went well.

Why do you say it was perversion?

Nowadays, I understand that the decisions I make, nowadays I say they are perversion because in this place I became Christ Jesus. I am a Christian. And now that I read the Word and that the Lord has touched my heart and that He has shown me, through His blessed Word, all the situations of iniquities that we committed before, now I understand them. That's why I say it's perversion,

because the saints, if I told you, well, I'll tell you a little bit. When I visited, as an architect and as a builder, I had money in my pocket,

and they took me, I waited anxiously on Friday and Saturday to go to one of those places. To know girls, to know how to drink alcohol, to be with friends, and to believe that we can do everything. And to have all the girls we want. And because of those bad decisions, that's why we're here.

Because those paths are not correct. por esas decisiones mal tomadas, pues es por eso que estamos aquí, porque esos caminos no son correctos. Y a mí me tocó, a mí me tocó que me eligieran para estar aquí en este lugar, pero son las decisiones. No oculto esta situación de mi vida porque es importante para mostrar que podemos mejorar, I want to show that we can improve. We can be transformed if we want to. If we have the decisions full of conviction and the desire to move forward.

Tell me more about these perversions that brought you here.

How were those decisions that you were making? when you're filming. Al fin de cuentas ellas buscan unos objetivos y te endulzan el oído y tú caes fácilmente. O a través de esta situación de locura que pasan en las noches. Tomé esas decisiones, me enredé con una chica y le puse hogar, una casa empezó a exigir más no lo permití todo eso se dio cuenta el segundo matrimonio este la mamá la madre de mis hijas se dio cuenta de toda esa situación y pues ella decidió acusarme me acusarme de trata de corrupción de She decided to accuse me of corruption. Because of this, this girl decided to be 26 years old.

It seemed like 26 years, but suddenly it turns out that she was going to be 18 years old. And then, because of this person, I am here in this place. is this situation for the 2011 and well I think it was a good moment as a strategy to turn 18 so I could go to court. It's ok I don't judge that part

because somehow I committed it I committed this crime I with let's call it with innocence, on my part I fell into that game.

But with innocence or if you were aware?

I was aware of what I was doing, but I was not aware of the age. Because if I had realized...

But how do they accuse you of treating people?

What did you do there with them? What happens is that there, in that environment, that handling of girls there is a lot of girls' management. And the girls' management was very good.

You got involved in that world.

I got involved, I got involved in that situation. Of prostitution. Of the... I wouldn't call it prostitution, but I would call ititution, but as a way of managing people, of people, of charging an economic incentive from them, towards what we were doing. So, yes.

It was like a prostitution network.

A prostitution network, of course.

How did you start to get involved in the world of trafficking? How did you come up with the idea of having a group of girls to sell and make money from that? How is that world? That world was through...

I don't want to mention the name of the institution, but I was working with an important company. In that company, I met people with economic, political influence as well. And in that environment, you get entangled little by little. And suddenly, when they start to propose to you, to leave that place and have them outside, it's easier. You had clandestine dates during the day and it was much better for you than being inside that place, because of the economy too. And it was like you felt satisfied with what you were doing and economy I was and suddenly you want to be heard, you lose the ground.

And so I lost it. I lost that situation and fell into that world, into that network.

Tell me about your trial. How was it? Did she decide to report you? Did you have her in an apartment? Let's name things. You were like a godfather. Yes, it sounds ugly, but I imagine you can talk about it because you've changed today.

Yes, thank God.

Yes, she...

I had her in a department. She paid his things, his physical needs, and he fulfilled his whims until he started demanding more. And it lasted a while, inside that apartment. His whims or his needs? of este es lo que tú cobras de eso si y no si porque aunque yo la promocionaba dentro de estos lugares pues si si si si sabía que yo yo ganaba cierta cantidad de dinero en esa parte no este pero era una gran cantidad de así que hay me voy a ser rico no este pero

si de alguna manera se empezaba así este ya no tuve esa oportunidad de crecimiento porque pues llegué a este lugar

quiero que me sigas este contando de la detención ella decida denunciarte

como fue? fíjate que no se nos enojamos y los distanciamos de plano la corrida el departamento ya no quiera saber nada por las exigencias y este ella salió y se desapareció de mi vida durante un tiempo este de and she disappeared from my life for a while. Suddenly, all the police came. No, no, no, I got six. I, the truth is that when I saw the number of police, it was like 100, 100 police officers who stopped me.

How many girls were you driving at that time?

There was only one, only her, precisely her. Although they said there were more. And they said there were more because of the network. But only one person accused me because they had the necessary evidence to accuse me. Let's say the others didn't have evidence. So today you're with one. Yes. But it's not like that. when This is

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tipo económicos por ejemplo enriquecimiento de ilícito was he people economic was poor people who said me into a list it'll is the third person corruption in this video is the alterations in public places. And many, many, many, they came, they didn't pay rent, they didn't pay my taxes, and a lot of crimes came, which were gradually

reduced because they were confirming that as an architect, I paid taxes and was in debt with rent. So, of those 40 crimes, three crimes were reduced. architectos in Pagaba impuestos e estaba cuentas con así entonces de sus 40 de nitos pus a reducer on a tres de nitos que es trata corrupción y lenos y lenos y así es a los 25 años que tiene y son los 25 años divididos en

me parece que son 15 años de trata este y los otros dos están divididos en

partes iguales cuál es la cómo fueron los las audiencias que pruebas hubieron and the other two are divided into equal parts. What was the...

How were the hearings? What evidence was against you? How were those hearings carried out?

Yes, well, all those hearings were carried out in a two-year period. Okay.

Well, in one year...

You didn't confess?

No.

You didn't go for the bribery?

No, I wanted to defend myself and say that I didn't commit the illegal thing, and the lawyers' board, sometimes we also fall into that network of lies. Because everything is a lie, everything is a lie, and at one point I wanted to confess, I'm guilty, yes, I'm guilty, so that they would give me an appropriate sentence, Soy culpable. Sí, sí, soy culpable. Para que me dieran una sentencia apropiada y poder tener una sanidad física rápida.

Sin embargo, pues caigo también en ese juego de las leyes. Y dije, no soy culpable, no soy culpable, no soy culpable. En un término de un año, me sentencian a un año dos meses. ¿Qué pruebas había en tu contra? Había fotografías. ¿De qué? A mí como... in a term of a year, I was sentenced to a year and two months. What proof did you have against him? There were photographs.

Of what?

Of me as...

Oh, like you were moving the girls around?

Yes, I was taking photos of them naked, with different poses. I liked all of that. I liked seeing a naked girl, me y bueno pues esa esa fuese la situación donde yo recapitule pelí después de ese año de sentencia recapitule y me fui otro año de apelaciones me la vuelven a confirmar dos años de un año después ya fueron dos años entonces y

este y que está ya hasta aquí que hasta aquí Yeah, I think I think you can go to the relation con con the system on my Una buena mujer the trabajo the studios The Valor is the principals Don't panic. I'm gonna have an ass. I see no I got there at a time

Come on, sir. Let's go come on. Come on. Let's go. Let's go. Let's go. Hey, Spanak in not a PC

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Bueno, pues antes este Con esa habilidad y esa esa comunicación que teníamos hacia que communication I want this, I want to long for it, I have dreams and I want it. Well, then, there was no pain on one side. Well, then, if you want this, let's do it. I'm going to try to help you and let's see what can be done so that you can move forward.

So you see it as a business, let's say.

I think I didn't see it as a business, definitely not as a business, but as a pleasant benefit. I was looking for that pleasure. And although I did not get rich with that, and I had no money, but the necessary expenses of gasoline, things like that, what I was really looking for was the pleasure part. That was the gain. Realmente era la parte placer. Eso era la ganancia.

¿Qué era la parte que te excitaba?

El que ellas estuvieran conmigo. El que ella principalmente estuviera conmigo en la intimidad. Y así otras chicas. Pero las otras chicas no eran... Yo no les podía ofrecer una casa a cada una. Pero sí a una sola.

Entonces a esas chicas era la parte íntima. no les podía ofrecer una casa cada una pero si a una sola entonces este a esa chica era la parte íntima ese era el beneficio

y no te daba celos que estuvieran con otra?

nada porque no había amor no había simplemente

era un tema sexual

si si este si era muy diferente que con mi pareja con la madre de mis hijas Yes, it was very different than with my partner, my daughters' mother, where there was love. Well, there was no love because when I did it, I definitely declared that there was no love. Tell me about your detention and what it was like for your family to realize what you were doing. familia de la cuenta de lo que estaba saciando Wow fue terrible terrible terrible terrible yo me quería morir yo tenía mucha vergüenza siendo lo que yo era lo que mis padres me habían expulgado tenía una vergüenza terrible ante los ojos de mi madre mi padre este de toda la because of my mother and my father. The moral situation that I learned through them, I corrupted it.

Quickly. I destroyed the family. I destroyed the fact that my parents had believed that they had raised a well-established son. I broke all that. And it was terrible because

I'm going to touch on some sensitive points. Forgive me.

Go ahead.

My mother. My mother died in May of last year. And, you know how I feel. I asked God a lot when I converted to Christ Jesus here. I asked him to keep her for me, so that I could leave and try, in the name of the Lord, to restore the family. Tell my mother to see me physically, I was already a different person.

I wasn't the same person when I got here. Like my father, they gave me the opportunity to see them walk in a different way. As a testimony, I've been nine years in Christ Jesus, and nine years that I don't take anything to my body. I don't smoke, I don't drink, I don't take drugs, I used to, and now I have a church here in this place where the Lord allows me to help transform people.

But going back to my mother, it is extremely shameful what I did. I destroyed that part of my parents, that love. Obviously, as parents, you forgive everything. You forgive everything. You were forgiven. Yes, yes, immediately. The mother of my daughters,

in which she could not bear that situation between us, and decided to take another path.

What was the thing that hurt your daughters' mother the most? Deceit, infidelity. so to see this year tomorrow to come in Give her a commas a dollar a moment to see us

In a new lady, Nida in a show that gay a chassis in to the city of miles Say Cynthia, okay, fire. Come on, okay say Cynthia, okay Okay, I know me put a darla. Okay. What time here is me put and I'm gonna mujeres me podían dar, o lo que yo buscaba. Todo eso fue un catapulto ahí en mi corazón, porque muchas veces los hombres decimos que amamos a una persona, pero cuando hacemos lo contrario,

automáticamente...

Eso no es amor.

No es amor. No es amor. Entonces, es muy vergonzoso. Es vergonzoso que tus seres queridos hayan sido defraudados por lo que tú hiciste. Y bueno, pues mi mamá ya no está con in the senior key Can you consider me Papa para que me de la oportunidad star con el? Este cuidado

Can I get a portenada de de star con el para poder cambiarlo ya no tarda mi papá en que se utiliza pañales y este and this

How I regret having done all this

I regret because despite having a smile in this place I've been smiling in this place for nine years and I've had a peaceful life but that's because the Lord strengthens me I've been smiling for 12 years in this place and I've had a peaceful life. But that's because the Lord strengthens me. But yes, of course, going back to that story, it hurts. Although the Lord, I know, has already forgiven me everything.

My father forgave me, my mother too. My children also forgave me. There's always a scar in the heart. There is a scar that hurts you, that no longer bleeds, but it hurts when you touch it. And now, my father, at 94 years old,

my greatest desire is to go out to take care of him and not leave the house. To be with him and to give him all that he gave me when I was young. I'm 60 years old. And I do believe in the Lord because, despite what I did, despite the transgression of society, of the family,

in the face of the laws of Mexico, the Lord has seen me again and has sent me a woman. Although I already had a veil for women, I didn't want to know anything about any woman. I didn't even have a conversation, I didn't even want to share words. I didn't want to know anything about women because...

Do you think you were sick?

Yes. You know, in the first three years, I think I became misogynistic. I started to hate women.

Before you were in jail or after?

No, in the first three years. Why, Javi? Because I felt like my ears were being sweetened and I started to look for guilt. And not guilt for me, but guilt en este en ese lugar en ese en ese en ese mundo sucio Ya el momento que pero eso es muy

eso es muy de tratante hacer eso si si tienes conciencia de eso si ya el perfil de los tratantes y el perfil psicológico de los tratantes es así de victimizar se It's the psychological profile of the abusers. It's like that. Of victimizing themselves and...

Of commiseration.

And saying it's their fault, not mine. They wanted it, I didn't. I was helping them.

Uh-huh.

What you're saying is correct. Until I turned 20, after three years. After my daughter's mother left. I surrendered to Christ. And it was when, reading the word of the Lord, I began to realize that the only one to blame in this whole situation was me. It was not the fault of the women, it was not the fault of the mother, it was not the fault of the father, it was not the fault of the mother, of the children, it was not the fault of the money, it wasn't the fault of the mother, of the children, it wasn't the fault of the money, it wasn't the fault of the institution I worked with at that time.

They weren't guilty. The only guilty ones were me, me and me. recapitular toda mi vida en tiendo de que que la responsabilidad era mia y que la tenia que pagar y pues acepte cuando acepto pagar esa responsabilidad y esa falta cometida empieza a cambiar mi vida en este lugar empieza a cambiar mi vida de tal manera I'm starting to change my life in this place. I'm starting to change my life in such a way for the better. I'm starting to teach high school classes. I'm in college.

Although I've already finished a degree, I'm in several programs that the institution offers. And I'm being used as a useful instrument to help others, showing them that the decisions we all make are influenced by the heart and thoughts of others. No, no, no, we shouldn't, I guess our purpose in Westpac and I'd must give him the only solo I kiss almost

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por donde se empieza a solucionar ese problema mira al nivel que yo estaba este problem we are a little bit just a little bit of a little bit

of a

little bit of a little bit of a little bit I don't know. El asunto porque no era el dueño de un antro o el dueño de un lugar, sino simplemente era como que era partícipe de un grupito o de una persona, y de varias chicas que nada más las...

Esta que está bien, platica con ella, te sabe escuchar, etcétera. Aunque nada más estaba con una chica, ¿verdad? It's a bit okay now. I'm a Chicago. It was the situation And the person particular you know, lovelia, Tung Tung grave Hey, poor killer was a re Holy pork, you know, I'll tell you to let me see a secret. Oh, so situation see me que esto yo a crescimiento Rapidamente

Hay mucha mujer necesitada y el hombre se aprovecha de esa de esa necesidad de la mujer para que la sigan abusando la sigan trafficking de la sigan violent and hoy en día admiro las mujeres porque con esta con este preponderamiento que tienen las mujeres este pasar la mano y pues que se escucha su voz that women have to lend a hand and to hear their voice.

That's phenomenal. It's phenomenal. The decision is made by one, both the woman and the man. Their tendencies and their beliefs will always be good for each of them

or bad for each of them, depending on the decision that each of them has.

Does God condemn this type of action? Of course. foreign foreign foreign

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foreign foreign foreign What is sin? Death. No, but what is the sin of what you did? Where was sin? What is it that condemns God?

It condemns sin, it condemns transgression, it condemns violence, it condemns not loving, not respecting. It condemns sin in itself. All sin is condemned by the Lord.

But of all that you just said, what was the part that was sin, what you were doing?

Adultery and fornication. So it is within the Ten Commandments in Exodus, and in the Old Testament it is the legal part, the law of Moses. testamento is la la parte legal la la la ley de de Moisés en el nuevo testamento ya vivimos por gracia este aún así el pecado es pecado y el pecado significa muerte y la separación de dios este pero pero la muerte de la muerte hablamos de la muerte espiritual porque la muerte física todos vamos a morir We talk about spiritual death, because physical death, we are all going to die. All of us, absolutely all of us, we are going to be dust again.

But what we are looking for, believing in Christ Jesus, is that after this physical death, we have the hope that the Lord will open our arms and receive us in that eternal life, and we will have life forever. receive a new savage athena he think i was here for simple is the local important is when when when we put on town we have there a capacity makes it serious a position which is the US is much possible from the US west coast a synopsis to the US there was a a life of transformation in this earthly world.

We make mistakes, we don't want to make mistakes anymore. Now we are going to change everything and we are going to do it right, even if we are in this physical place of confinement.

So religion for you has also been like an instrument to claim you.

Everything, it has been everything. Without it, do you think you could have claimed yourself? Sin ella, ¿crees que te hubieras podido reivindicar? Si, sin ella, yo creo que ya me hubieran matado en este lugar. ¿Por qué? Porque los primeros tres años de este encierro físico, yo buscaba a quien me quitara la vida. Buscaba a quien me quitara la vida, ya no quería vivir. I was looking for someone to take my life away from me. I didn't want to live anymore. I was committed to other internal companions.

And because of the shame I had with my family, with my parents, especially with my mother, with the mother of my daughters, I wanted to lose my life. And When I made a messy case is the

Your career per day ladies

Do you have much as much as you could have been a video? Yes, they

Period a movie cover the parquet table

Look at your this every skin epical and

Can we chimney and I'm gonna see our own strangle a minto? They told me to get bitten, to get chained, to get a quick strangulation.

I don't know, anything that worked to stop me from existing in this place.

Why did you want to die? Out of shame. Out of shame? Out of shame for what I did. I lost everything. I lost my house, I lost my cars, I lost my trucks, I lost my clients. Stop that. You lose the love of a good woman, a stable couple. You lose your parents,

you lose your siblings, you lose your family. And when I say you lose, it doesn't mean that they have turned their backs on you, it means that you no longer have that relationship. There is no longer a relationship where you can be intimate with them,

and you can talk, and you can be heard, you can advise. Relation. when and I receive the love of God. I confess to Him and I ask for forgiveness for everything I did. And through Scripture, I ask for forgiveness for my mother, for my parents, for both of them, for my daughters' mother, for my children. I ask for forgiveness for all.

How is it that you meet your daughter again? After how many years?

Oh, with my daughter. F***.

How many years were you without her?

Like, seven or eight years, something like that. I have it in some letters that I have there, like seven or eight years without her. And thank God, my older children call her and I call her again. And she forgives me. And she wants to know what happened.

I think this is a way for her to find out.

What else does she need to know to be able to forgive you fully?

Everything. She needs to know everything. Everything, everything, all the truth and see what her father did. That's the way to ask for forgiveness. Not hiding the truth. Hiding the truth brings consequences. and It's better for her to know the whole truth about what her father did, both her and the little one.

Yes.

And I think that truth and humility open doors.

What do they know about you right now? That you're here?

Yes, that they know that I'm here, that there are still many years to go. Do they know why you're here? ¿Saben por qué estás aquí? Sí, las dos. Ya las dos ya tienen ese... ese... esa verdad, entre comillas, ¿verdad? Porque falta todavía que el padre les diga. Pero ya saben.

Ya saben el hecho de... de que por qué estoy aquí y por qué le fallé a ellas y por qué le fallé a su madre. Este... sí. Sí, ya tienen cierto conocimiento.

No todo, pero... Yes, they have some knowledge, not all, but they have knowledge of why I am here.

The victim, when you met her, was 16 years old? 15?

17. 17 years old, the victim.

16, so they were there for a year.

A year.

And she was still 17 when they reported you.

Yes.

And how old were you?

Forty...

I was...

Forty-five.

Forty-six years. Forty-six years.

Was it hard?

No, very hard. Very hard and shameful. More than hard, it's good that it's hard. Yes, that's fabulous because that's what we deserve. That's what I deserve in this part.

I'm not going to talk about the others, but it's hard for the body, for the flesh. But I think that more than hard, it's shameful. It's shameful, yes. shameful. Yes, yes. And we have to live with that. But we know that when we confess, good things come. And that's really fabulous because here I have murderous companions.

They are murderers. There are kidnappers, there are rapists, there are many things that the Lord also forgives them, but to have a new path, new decisions. And thank God I'm alive. After someone took my life, I'm alive. And yet, I think the Lord is not wrong. The Lord put a church in this place and I am helping to restore people.

And you met another woman.

Ah, that is the strong testimony, really, because in this term, that the mother of my daughters is leaving, yes, she is leaving, and a woman approaches to me, when I was a misogynist, and she came to me, and she was also a Christian daughter of God. She started to know me, I also know her, and we have a good relationship.

How did you meet her? I know her because a friend of mine who was here, she's her sister, and I introduced her to her. I worked, at that time I worked in handicrafts, handicrafts that go out to the street to be sold. And so I introduced her to me, and for handicrafts, but I didn't want to go down. This man insisted that I go down because he wanted to thank me personally

for the work we were doing.

Why didn't you want to go down?

The same, for the misogynistic part. For the hate of women. No, no, no, no, I didn't want to meet women or any of that, not even in this place. But thank God I know how to draw, I, no with carrots. They invited me to eat, a blessing from God. And when they invited me to eat, I let go of my tears.

Because here, thank God, the food has changed, thanks to the institution. Because now the food is quite acceptable. But before it wasn not like that. And when they invite me to eat out, I feel joy. But nevertheless, with a misogynistic line. Time passed, I was delivering work, work, and we started to have more and more jobs. We started to have more and more conversations.

And it just happened. It just happened that when I felt her heart and she saw my effort to try to change in a bad way, to think in a good way, she started to notice me. Me too.

How long have you been together?

Nine years. Do you have children? No, she is 53 years old, I am 60, she has children, her children, and I have my children there. So, it is very fitting to say his, mine and nothing else.

Thank you for talking to us today. I thank you very much for sharing your testimony and hopefully you have a meeting with your children soon.

Thank you very much and thank you for this opportunity to give my testimony in this place. And hopefully this will help people who are watching and listening to us to see that there is an opportunity, that the institution offers many answers to find a good path.

Reinsertion is possible.

Reinsertion is possible.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thank you very much.