‘Meltdown’ | Barnaby Joyce on ABC’s reaction to One Nation win

Well, the celebrations are continuing for One Nation figures.Barnaby Joyce is about to join us in studio.Pauline Hanson's party has secured a landslide victory in the Farrah Bye election, and now they're eyeing off Sydney's West.Barnaby Joyce, what a weekend.

Good morning to you, Ben.Good morning to your listeners.Good morning, Western Sydney.

What a weekend.Yeah, it was great.It's great for Australia.

It shows there's a new dynamism into the politics.We've seen that it's not that people, politicians have changed, it's the voters have changed.changed, and trying to encapsulate it into one metaphor, Ben, it's like this.People see an island off the peninsula, Malaysian peninsula, and Singapore's got no coal, no oil, no gas, no cattle, no irrigation, no uranium, but it has an economy about a quarter to a third of the size of Australia.Australia, with all our resources, everything we've got, is languishing.We're just not going anywhere.

And you know what the difference is, Ben?Management.That is the difference.

The relationship between the voter and the politician has changed.It used to be, once upon a time, maybe a long time ago, that you'd grow up one way and you'd kind of stick with that party.These days, people have got so many choices.

Yeah, once I supported Wessel, once I supported Manly, but I'll never support both.No, no, it's more dynamic than that.And what we're seeing is people have a frustration that have been led by the nose on philosophical butterflies.And I'll give you the big one, climate change policy, climate change legislation, climate change department.Whilst we have record insolvencies in small business because people can't afford their electricity bill.And this brings a real clarity and an anger that people say, if you are going to bang on about things that have got nothing to do with my life and the only outcome I can see from it is hurt and what I can't afford and something you can't change, then you will drive me to think about who I should vote for and I've never seen a policy in 24 hours that's now so deserted like Robertson Crusoe's climate policy.

The Liberal Party doesn't know what it is anymore.Well, it tried to be two things.I think it's, it was always a question, you would have heard it here.Oh, we can't do that because we've got to win back teal seats.Okay.And people, you know, maybe teal seats here you say that, but you know who else hears you say that?

Everybody else.And they say, well, is that your constituency?And talking to people last night, straight back into work last night from the western suburbs of Sydney, they've got no problems with One Nation whatsoever.And they like the idea that, you know, a little bit hard ass.and it's coming and that's a good thing for Australia because, you know, we're going to make this nation a stronger place.Is One Nation going to sweep Sydney's West?

That's hubristic, never say anything like that, but we'll give Western Sydney a choice and, you know, I was talking to guys who could be good candidates and they're names that reflect Western Sydney dynamics.

That's where One Nation has constantly stumbled in the past when it comes to finding the candidates.you know, to actually put their hands up at elections.And a lot of the time it's left until the last minute.The Liberal Party has suffered the same problem where they don't get their house in order.So you're actively looking for One Nation candidates now?

Yeah, 100 percent.And we don't have to look for them too hard.A lot of them reach out to us and you go through their bios.You can't just say, I want to be part of One Nation and in you come.Just because you jump doesn't mean we catch you.We want people to reflect the constituency.

And people say, oh, One Nation, it won't be relevant to the Western Suburbs.Sydney.Um, okay.Newsflash Pauline Hanson came from the Western suburbs of Brisbane.

She's also attracted a lot of migrants who say, look, we've only moved to the country in recent years, but we don't want this new country to resemble the old country that we left.

Guess who I was talking to yesterday?Precisely those people.And, uh, you know, people just say, look, this idea that because I came in from somewhere else, I want this place to turn into the chaos of where I came from.No, I don't.The thing I like about Australia is theopportunity, the stability, and the fact that my kids are going to grow up with greater opportunities than my parents did back where they came from.

And if we see people just fluffing around, especially when they come from a very secure part of Sydney, talking about how our part of Sydney is going to work, we don't appreciate that.People don't want the social disharmony of other parts of the world.They do want their children to be able to buy a house when they grow up.They don't want people bringing in the population of the planet.

Barnaby Joyce is with us from One Nation.I just want to pick up on one of those topics and that's migration.There's new data from Wagga Wagga on the priority waitlist for social housing.This is after a newborn baby was found dead in a tent.So over the past four years, the waitlist has more than doubled.Rents in Wagga have risen over the same period by 40%.

Now we've seen recently in Canada that when they slashed migration, the cost of rent went down.So if you want fewer babies dying in tents, you've got to reduce the rent.To reduce the rent, you've got to cut migration.

Yeah, and you don't go in by just blowing up the Capital Gains Tax Act.So every person who bought a house is going to take it in the neck.And this is the difference.If you keep on bringing, it's supply and demand that is your problem.If you bring in 400 ,000 people a year and you don't have 300 ,000 houses, you force the price up of houses and you turn Sydney traffic into a parking lot.Because this is where they come.

This is where they come.They come to live in Sydney, the vast majority more Melbourne, and they don't go to live in Longreach or Birdsville.we find Australians more and more living under bridges.Now, we can see them when you go for a walk along the river.Now, I know a lot of those people are doing it tough, and they've probably got other issues on board.But you get a sense, because at the bottom of the pile, there are more and more people falling at the bottom of a pile of Australia to live on the streets, to live under bridges.

And that is an indicator that other people, young couples, are finding it incredibly tough to get ahead.And they're living with their parents, because they can't buy a house, because of this nutcase idea that you're going to just fill Australia up with a whole heap of people.end up in the western suburbs on social security.How the hell does that help us?

So you were elected to the House of Representatives as a National Party politician before switching to One Nation.Pauline Hanson, is she going to switch to the House of Reps?That's a question for Pauline, I'll leave that up to her.

We're laser -like focused on making Australia as strong as possible, as quickly as possible.And in a world that's febrile, we have to do that.And being able to say the things the others won't say.We will rebuild coal -fired power stations, OK?There you go.Coal -fired power stations come back.

Cheap electricity comes back.Moratorium on nuclear energy is removed.We will build the infrastructure that makes us stronger and we will cut immigration so that your children have a chance to buy a house.So you want to know where our savings are?There'll be no climate change department.There'll be no climate change policy.

There'll be policy about making Australia stronger and you know, we've got this massive increase in government spending predominantly because of people in the public service, predominantly I would say in places such as Canberra.That's forcing up interest rates.If interest rates go up to 4 .6 percent, those people with big mortgages take it in their This is bad management.Bad management.Bad management's got to stop.

The finger pointing's happening in the Liberal Party this morning.I know this isn't your concern anymore.You're not part of the coalition.but you've got Holly Hughes, the former Liberal Senator, blaming Angus Taylor, saying, I guess when you knife someone country, people don't reward you.And I see that Susan Lee's also been laying the boot in, but really Susan Lee didn't help the cause when she went on a six -month listening tour and didn't come up with a policy.Would you be advocating if you were still in the coalition for a leadership change or would you be saying it's not about the people, it's about the policies?

I'll leave that to them.People always say, oh yeah, you joined One Nation from the Nats.So did most of the voters.on the weekend.So did most of the voters.They changed from the Liberal Party.

It's a dynamic thing.Your policy is what attracts or turns away people, and if you don't have it right, and if you don't look like you've got the strength to actually stand behind it, if you try to just talk with a loud voice with lots of pointing, talk about your values and your principles, but you can never actually enunciate exactly what your values or your principles are, and underneath it is the inability to make the tough decisions that have people like you and dislike you, but they know who you are.

The ABC is not too happy this morning Barnaby.Happy meltdown.I'm sure that you'd be really worried about this but they were getting ready to cover Farrah over the weekend when One Nation's Chief of Staff James Ashby booted the ABC out of the room.This is what happened.

The ABC as a taxpayer funded institution has got to learn how to play it down the middle.If you want to play to an audience that is, I think, you know, there was one, one of their ma said the other day, I found that ABC classics outrated him.I bet you would like that if it happened to you.And the reason for that is people just say, look, I know you, youdon't play a straight game and you can actually play any game you want, Ben, because you're privately owned, but they are paid for by the taxpayer.$1 .1 billion of our money, $1 .1 billion of our money.

They closed down the inland rail, but they're going to spend $1 .1 billion of our money.And if you're going to get that sort of money out of people going to work and working basically for nothing to pay their taxes, they expect you to play a straight game.I mean, if you're not going to play a straight game and like you hear PK, Patricia Cavell, she said, oh, this is terrible because you've legitimized one nation, which means she must've thought we were illegitimate, you know, the illegitimate political party.I mean, wow.

And does that suggest the voters are illegitimate too?

Yeah.Well, you know, you know, just, we're just a, you know, a pack of illegitimate people and it, you know, it just, when they get angry, that conceit, that side of them just bubbles up.And you say, well, you're just a little club of people inside of Altimo, you know, having your bookshelves full of books you've never read, but they look good.You know, it's an inner city clique that doesn't represent Australia.

You'd think by now they'd know the more they bash something, the more people are going to turn to it.We appreciate you coming in the studio this morning and good luck this week for Budget Week.Absolute pleasure.Thank you.Barnaby Joyce, live on 2GB.