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My dad was a big explosive. He was very explosive. Since he was a person who didn't talk, who wanted people to see him well, I think it was worse for him to keep things. He was a person

who didn't believe in the psychologist or in therapy. My mom often often say, let's go to therapy, no, no, no, I'm fine. And he would take it. And my parents started to have their arguments about jealousy. I don't know what it was, but I thought it was the neighbors upstairs.

I swear I thought I heard the ceiling, the typical hits of the neighbors. Until I get up again because I hear as if they had knocked on the door. Very ugly, very, very ugly. And I go out and see my grandmother

with a ribbon around her mouth and tied with a belt of those men. I see on the wall hands with blood as if someone was walking the wall, hands. As if someone was walking, bleeding. I go to my parents' room and start to hit them. Hard, hard, hard.

I go to the kitchen with a knife to try to open the door. And I couldn't, I couldn't. I kept hitting my mom, my dad, nobody answered. I go to bed and I stay with my sister in the closet and I just see how they get my dad out.

Hello, hello, how are you friends? How are you? I hope you are very, very well. Welcome to a new episode of the podcast of Pepe and Chema. Remember everyone that I am Pepe and also Chema and as always very grateful yo soy Pepe y también Chema y como siempre muy agradecido con todos aquellos que siguen confiando después de dos años y medio ya prácticamente el 27 de enero de 2026 hacemos tres años y esto es posible pues gracias a ustedes gracias a todas las personas que hacen que este espacio siga vivo y siga vigente y que haya tomado un rumbo también interesante y de un servicio a la comunidad pues y que también sirva como and that it has taken an interesting course and a service to the community and that it also serves as entertainment, I am very happy about that. Today we have a great guest with whom I have been talking for a long time and the truth is that as I told you before starting the interview, I don't know how you are here.

I don't know how after living everything you've lived and facing everything that comes after what happened, you've been able to be very brave. So, really, my respects from my side and also from my team, because we are people who have many filters and we thank you for trusting us to be able to spread this story. We are with Pamela Rivera-Sataray. Pamela, first of all, I would like you to give an introduction, because now that people are listening to the story,

I think they will also ask themselves, how is it possible that you are here? Why spread the story, why make it known from your point of view?

Well, more than anything, I am here because I think mental health is very important. I think people can do inexplicable things because mental health is very bad. And I'm here to let people know that my parents went through a lot to get to where they are now.

They were good people, but at the end of the day, you don't even know what's going through your head. It was out of nowhere, so I would like them to know the story from my perspective, the story of what happened.

I'm going to give a brief introduction. Your father, Oscar Rivera, professional baseball player, Dodgers player. Where are the Dodgers?

In Los Angeles.

In Los Angeles. Maybe they are one of the most important teams you always hear about, even in the movies. The famous Dodgers. Los Angeles. Tal vez son como de los equipos más importantes que siempre escuchas hasta en las películas, los famosos Dodgers.

Sí, los Dodgers.

Jugador de fútbol profesional también aquí en México.

De béisbol.

Sí, de béisbol. En Los Diablos, que están aquí en la Ciudad de México.

En Los Venados de Mazatlán. Él prácticamente estuvo en toda la República Mexicana. He was practically in the entire Mexican Republic. The only team, so to speak, of major leagues was the Doyers in Los Angeles.

Sure. His father, one night, ended the life of his mother, your mother, your grandmother, and later...

He committed suicide. ma, tu abuela y posteriormente... El pues es...

Pamela, me gustaría como que me dieras un poquito de contexto familiar. ¿Qué es lo que sucedía en esos momentos en tu familia? La relación de tus padres, ¿cuántos son en tu familia? ¿Tienes hermanos? Etcétera, como para conocer un poquito más y ya entrar a lo que iba a suceder.

Pues mira, antes de got to CDMX, my dad was like the star of the house. My mom didn't work, he spent his time playing baseball, until he got injured and got a job here in Mexico City. We came and everything was fine. We literally started from scratch. My mom didn't have a job, we didn't have a place to live.

We lived with an uncle, and my dad was the only one who worked at that time. I didn't have a school yet, until my mom found a job. And we started to live better. My dad had a stable job, but he was also a coach in some places in baseball. And well, I was alone, I was the only daughter until high school. Until my sister was born, she was born in first grade.

And that's when my mom decided to bring her mom. My parents were always busy working. They wanted someone to take care of my sister and obviously I couldn't. I had other things to do. They brought my grandmother. For this we saw before on the other side.

My sister grew up, my grandmother went for this we saw before in another side, my sister grew up, my grandmother was going and coming, I mean, I was going to Mazatlán, I was coming back here. We lived very well, we had a very healthy coexistence, very, very healthy, but everything started because my dad was very jealous, I mean, not with me. He never had any problems with me. But since my mom was very sociable, she was very loved by people at work, she had to socialize. He started to think things that...

Well, no. So... I had to go live somewhere else, in La Paz. I came back, we moved to where things happened.

Did you go? Yes.

You or everyone?

No, I went to study somewhere else. I came back and my parents told me, we're going to change our apartment. Things started to get better at work, my mom changed jobs, and we all left.

My sister, my dad, my grandma and me. of trabajo y nos fuimos todos. Nos fuimos mi hermana, mi papá, mi abuela y yo a vivir en donde ocurrieron las cosas. Yo estaba en prepa, pero pues entró pandemia. Antes de pandemia teníamos la mejor convivencia del mundo, o sea, más que nada porque creo que no la pasamos mucho en la casa, ¿sabes didn't spend much time at home, you know? My dad at the base, my mom working, me at school, training.

And my sister was the only one who stayed with my grandmother. The pandemic came in and I think it affected us all in any situation. I wasn't used to being with my parents, you know? We were stuck and we started having a lot of problems. me It's not that I didn't know my parents, but their character, my father's character was getting worse.

He did go out because he had a job where he had to go out by force. But my mom, I don't know if she was addicted to work, but she went crazy at home. She was always on the computer working and she wouldn't listen to us. And I was given many anxiety issues because I didn't sleep, because of the same things I was training. And my parents started to have their discussions about jealousy, or who you talk to, ¿sabes? celos y celos. Y llegó un punto en donde yo era la intermediaria de ellos.

O sea, él me decía, dile a tu mamá esto, y mi mamá me decía, dile a tu papá esto.

Referente al tema de celos.

Ajá, sí, sí, sí. O sea, ellos, entre ellos no se podían hablar. Eh, entró, seguíamos en pandemia, y fue mi cumpleaños. But we were still in the pandemic and it was my birthday. When was your birthday? In February.

February.

Where I lived there was a terrace. I threw a party there, the pandemic was ending. And my dad, I don't know, he went to work in the United States, specifically to San Diego, because he was fed up with the people here. According to him, he was not doing well at work, but according to me, at work he was doing very well. He had many things, he had many benefits, he was doing well.

He wanted to leave, and when he left, he didn't even listen to us anymore. My mom told him, yes, go, but you have to send us money to pay the rent, the schools, the basics. And that's when he left and started having problems with alcohol. He was drinking and drinking to avoid reality.

Already in San Diego?

Yes, yes, yes. My mom knew because my dad was badmouthing her. He was badmouthing her, asking her for money, that she was doing very badly. I was very upset because, in the end, my mom was breaking her back to get us through.

So, when the alcohol problems were already there, I'm going to say it in Spanish. And there was a time when he came back, and it was on my birthday. My best friend, who lives around where the things happened, told me, hey, your dad is here. And I was at my party, on my birthday, and he ruined everything because I said, well, my dad left, let's see what happens between them.

And he came and started apologizing to me that he was going to leave the house. He was grabbing his suitcase, who knows what he grabbed, and he left again.

He came and left?

Yes, he came and left. He grabbed a huge suitcase, almost put his life in the suitcase, and left. My mom wasn't there for this because she was working. And the party ended and she came back days later as if nothing had happened, as if she hadn't...

She didn't even congratulate me on my birthday, she just said, forgive me, I have to leave the house. This is not okay anymore. And he left crying. I didn't care because I was on my birthday. I wasn't going to let my dad ruin everything.

Days passed, he came back. And it was the same. I mean, he started to miss his job. In San Diego? No, he left San Diego. And he came back to miss his job.

In San Diego?

No, he left San Diego.

And he returned to the same job?

He returned to Mexico City, he returned to where he was, but later I found out that he started asking for unpaid leave. I mean, to miss, but for situations that he, I don't know what he would have said. He came back and they kept fighting. My parents kept fighting. My dad was still jealous. They were growing more and more and more.

Do you remember scenes of jealousy for some reasons that seemed very silly to you?

Yes. One time my mom was coming home late from work. ¿Muy tonta? Sí, una vez, pues mi mamá salía muy tarde de trabajar por juntas, por cualquier cosa, y mi papá era muy insistente, le marcaba y le decía, ¿Ya vas a venir? ¿Qué estás haciendo? Seguramente estás con alguien más. Mi mamá estaba trabajando. O sea, mi mamá no estaba ni con nadie, no estaba haciendo cosas.

¿Te consta?

Sí, sí, sí, a lot of communication with my mom. And you see that I was the intermediary. So I had to tell my dad, hey, calm down, she's working. I mean, she's working. I would tell her, she's working. And I would even call her mom's boss to ask if she was really working. Because I remember that when I checked her cell phone, I sent her a message to her boss saying,

hey, Carla is here. Or messages that said, I don't know if you're threatening, but I'm going to fire her, she's not going to go back. That kind of thing. And I told my mom, hey, you'reá, oye, o sea, tú estás trabajando, mi papá está en la casa, él debe entender que estás ahí. Y le

mandaba mensajes a sus amigas, incluso, porque mi papá una vez le quitó el celular a mi mamá y empezó a sacar contactos y se los pasaba a su celular. Y una vez le mandó un mensaje a su mejor amiga y le empezó a decir súper grosero de que hoy ya vi que estás encubriendo a Carla y no está trabajando. Y yo así de oye pero está trabajando. O sea mi papá empezó tanto celos de pareja como celos profesionales porque mi mamá ya le

estaba yendo muy bien en su trabajo. L my mom was doing really well at work.

She made a lot of money.

Yes, yes. No, she was... She was a general manager of her company and... It depended on a lot of things. So, my dad... In his head, he was like... I don't know, he's with someone else, and that's why he's doing well.

And since my mom traveled a lot, he got worse. But for me, it was very silly that he thought that I wasn't working. So where did the money come from?

For us, for my grandmother, you know? And sometimes I would get tired of school and I would tell my dad, hey, just talk to her, ask her. sabes y yo a veces y llegaba harta de la escuela y le decía mi papá oye habla con ella pregúntale yo no yo no llevo o sea yo soy aparte no voy a ser ya su intermediaria quiero que hables con ella y no lo hacía y se lla de celos

y en la noche tomaba o sea tomaba y tomaba mientras mi mamá estaba dormida entonces si me tocaron bastantes cosas que dices tú por nada mi papá explotaba So, I did get hit by a lot of things that, you know, my dad would explode for no reason. Because he was very explosive. He would get mad for anything. He would get mad.

You were only with your mom. You didn't have that attitude of being explosive. You would drop a glass and it would explode.

Yes, well, but it was weird. I think that was at the end, when he was already feeling really bad. But for whatever reason, I don't know, I would tell him that I was doing something and he would say, why don't you tell me? But he was never jealous of me, in terms of... You're with someone. Yeah, no. With my mom. With my mom. With my grandma, the same. It's just that since my grandma was involved in her issues, my dad was going against my grandma.

And I, well, not with me, because in the end, what was I going to say? But he was very explosive, for any little thing, his patience was already... It was already very bad. And also, since he was a person who didn't talk,

who wanted people to see him well, I think it was worse for him to keep things. And he got worse. And worse with alcohol. It was a trigger for him. What followed? What happened next?

How did more things develop? Were there some key moments, do you think? para que si yo que fue lo que pasó después como se venían desarrollando más cosas hicieron algunos momentos claves consideras tú si una vez ellos estaban en la sala y se estaban peleando pero pues yo era de que la típica hermana de con mi hermana pequeña de que no los escuches y encierra te una vez este pues I said, don't listen to them, lock yourself in. One time, my mom sent me a message. She said, I'm going over there, tell me how your dad is doing. Because for this my dad locked himself in the room and didn't do anything.

She got there and I heard that they started yelling at each other. But ugly. I never saw them hit her each other, but it was ugly. I never saw them hit her or anything, but they started yelling at each other because they were jealous. But at that moment, my mom's mom came out and stood in the middle of them. And she said,

Oh, but you don't even work. es mi hija, tú ni tienes dinero. Y ahí fue cuando mi papá se enojó, o sea, lo vi tan enojado que ya ni me metí y mi mamá agarró a mi abuela y ya la... la este... la metió al cuarto porque ella tenía su propio cuarto. Pero fue tanto el enojo igual de mi abuela que le dijo cosas muy hirientes a mi papá. because she had her own room. But it was so much anger, just like my grandmother, that she said very hurtful things to my dad. I mean, defending his daughter, obviously.

But my mom never did anything to tell him something to stop doing it. After that, they didn't talk to each other. I mean, they didn't talk to each other. They didn't talk. We didn't talk. We didn't talk about good days, or anything like that. No.

The ice age was between us. My mom would go to work, my dad would do whatever, but we didn't talk. And there came a time when my sister and I, I mean, more than anything, I was fed up with the environment in the house. Because my parents didn't talk to each other. The only people they talked to were my grandmother and my sister.

And if I was in charge of something, it was a problem for them to give it to me. If I was in charge of something, they wouldn't give it to me. They were so angry that they didn't even care about us. enojados que ni siquiera les preocupaba pues nosotras, ¿sabes? Y creo que mi papá ya después siguió faltando. O sea, ya era tanto que faltaba que solo tomaba, solo tomaba,

y solo tomaba, y se iba. ¿Quién sabe dónde se iba? Y regresaba, y se iba, y regresaba, y mi mamá ya no le importaba. and she would go, and come back, and my mom didn't care anymore. I mean, it was like, I'm tired, I just need to work, I don't want that to be a problem for me. So, that situation was very devastating because my grandmother got involved.

So, my dad, in his head, said, well, my grandmother is in trouble. And from then on, my family members from Mazatlán came to my grandmother's birthday in June. And they didn't talk to each other. They stayed at my house, or. They either went out with my dad or with my mom.

They didn't want to go out together anymore. My mom would send me messages saying that she was fed up. I would always... I mean, I would accuse my dad of being mad at me for nothing.

As if you were the one who gave her the reason to...

Yes. I mean, for example, I por ejemplo pues no trabajaba, ocupaba dinero. Y le decía, oye, es que mi papá era el que nos daba dinero a nosotras. Le decía a mi mamá, oye, es que se enoja porque quiero ir a bailar, quiero ir a entrenar, y se enojaba por cualquier cosa. Entonces yo lo que hacía era decirle a mi mamá, you know, my dad has a bad attitude, he can't stand it, I don't want to talk to him. And she told me, you know, leave him.

My mom was like, leave him, leave him, leave him. But it didn't affect us because my dad was the one who went to school for my sister, went to the supermarket, stopped doing it, and now I had to do it because, believe it or not, my grandmother was already old. She couldn't do as many things as she used to.

So I started doing everything he did. I started going to school for my sister, going to the supermarket, and I stopped doing my things to help my mom. In the end, I had to help my mom because she was working.

So I started to get tired and I didn't even listen to my dad anymore. I mean, he always talked to me crying. And I would tell him, what's wrong? Tell me, do you want to leave? Then go. You're just causing us all to feel bad.

Because you don't even talk to your own daughters. And I cried and hugged myself. And it went on and on.

How long did they talk to us?

About three months.

Did they talk to you from then until what happened?

No.

I didn't talk to my grandmother either. More than with us and sometimes. If I did something for my no, no. I didn't even talk to my grandmother. More than with us, and sometimes. If I did something for my sister, sometimes. But it lasted a long time. Well, I was in the middle.

Sure. Hey, and I would like you to tell me, the last time you saw them, what was it like?

Well, it was it? It was very strange.

One day before, because it was in the morning, it was around 9 in the morning, I was on vacation at school, just like my sister. That day...

This happened in August 23.

2023.

2023, but August 23.

Yes.

I, a day before, had had a terrible day at the dance. I came back and I saw my dad outside. We were on the ground floor. So, the police booth was there, then, then. I said, well, he's waiting for me. He was standing, but I walked by and he didn't even say hi.

I went in, I said hi to my sister and my grandmother, but my dad didn't say a word. I don't know what he was waiting for.

Was that the 23rd or the day before? The 22nd.

The 22nd, okay. But it was already like 10 at night. It was very strange to. It was really weird because I didn't know where I was. My dad was really attentive with us. He was like, where are you going? Who are you going with? Don't you have any money?

But time passed and that was it. So I arrived and he didn't say anything. I went into my house, I ate, I took a shower and I fell asleep.

Your mom wasn't...

I didn't see my mom. The last time I saw my mom was the day before. It wasn't even in the morning, it was the day before.

The 21st.

The 21st. Yes, because our schedules didn't...

Your mom worked a lot, right?

Yes.

For everything you told me, she worked in a corporate or a business group.

Yes. We hardly saw her from Monday to Friday. Saturdays and Sundays, yes. But since I was studying, I didn't see her in the morning. And in the afternoon, since we were sleeping, she would arrive very late and I didn't see her. I only saw my sister, my grandmother and my father. I didn't hear from them.

And without talking to me didn't talk to them. I got so angry and I was standing at the door, who knows what was waiting for me, but it wasn't me. I was so tired mentally and physically that I fell asleep.

I never knew... I never saw my mom again. I mean, my mom... Not until the next day, when everything happened.

The next day, when this happened, were you asleep while it happened?

Yes. Since we were on vacation, we got up late. That time, the noises woke me up. What time did the noises wake you up? It was like 9 in the attic. That time, the noises woke me up. What time did the noises wake you up? It was like 9 in the morning.

9 in the morning and what kind of noises? Screams? Things that fell?

Since we lived on the ground floor, we had neighbors upstairs. I don't know if it was... I don't know what it was, but I thought it was the neighbors upstairs. I swear, I thought I heard the ceiling, the typical knocks of the neighbors. And I went back to sleep because I thought, oh, it's the neighbors. Until I got up again because I heard as if they had knocked on the door. Very ugly, very, very ugly.

And my sister gets up. And that's when I said, what's going on? Muy feo, muy muy feo. Y se levanta mi hermana. Y ahí fue cuando dije, ¿qué está pasando? Le mandé mensaje a mi mamá por WhatsApp, porque no sabía si estaba o no. Y le dije, oye, ¿qué está pasando?

¿Por qué se escuchan ruidos así? Y se escuchaban gritos, pero no de mujer, como que de hombre. Y no me contestó. Salgo... of man and he didn't answer me. I go out.

How long did you wait for your mom to answer?

About 15 minutes because obviously I was scared because I said what if someone came in or I don't know. 15 minutes passed and well here is my room and here is my parents' room, and next to it is my grandmother's. I tell my sister, stay, let me go see. I close the door, and I go out and see my grandmother with a ribbon around her mouth and tied up, with a belt of those. And I go out and see my grandmother with a ribbon around her mouth and tied up, with a belt of those men. Body, I mean. The body as a girdle with a belt of those men, body.

The body as a girdle with a belt.

Literally, a belt of my dad. But for this I realize that my sister comes out and I see her. I mean, I couldn't protect her and she comes out.

Let's see, but just forgive me if I ask you, did your grandmother have life?

No. So you realized that your grandmother was dead? sale a ver pero nada más pero perdóname que te pregunto tu abuela tenía vida no se te diste cuenta que tu abuela estaba muerto es que si salí pero no vi nada de sangre sino que la empuje la empuje y o sea no me respondió si si no me respondió y ahí fue cuando sale mi hermana y le vuelve a decir lo mismo pero yo ahí todavía estaba dudando porque dije no están mis papás no había But I was still doubting because I said, my parents are not here, I don't see my parents. That's when I called my best friend, because he lives around the corner,

and he was like my emergency contact. I said, hey, my grandmother is not alive, she's not answering. For this, he tells me, look for your parents, because they were not there, I, because they weren't there.

I swear, they weren't there. My sister comes out and starts crying. Because obviously she was very attached to her, because she was the one who took care of her.

Your sister sensed that your grandmother was dead?

Yes. Yes, because she also went and pushed her.

How old was she? Eight years old?

Seven.

Seven years old, almost eight.

Yes.

Because it happened in August, and by December your sister was born. Yes, almost eight years old, already aware of what...

Yes.

And I mean, I closed the room for her and everything, but she still left. And I tell you, she moved her and everything, but I didn't. Obviously, since I'm already old, I said,

that's it.

But I didn't... In my head I said, what's going on? What happened? I went back to the room because I was scared. I grabbed my sister, I put her in the room, and I her to put her iPad down and change.

Put on some pants. I put on some pants, grabbed my cell phone and left. And there was no one, there was no one but my grandmother. Until I went to my parents' room and started to touch them. It was very, very, very strong. And I hear my dad's voice and he says, we're going to go now, baby, because he called me baby.

But I heard his voice very normal, you know? That nothing is happening, nothing. But it was weird for me because I was sure.

No, because your grandmother was...

Yes.

Yes, of course.

But I said, I hadn't thought that he had... tu abuela estaba... Sí, pero yo dije... todavía no había pensado en que él había... o sea, yo pensé que alguien había hecho... o sea, alguien externo, ¿no? Voy por un cuchillo a la cocina para tratar de abrir la puerta y no, no pude, no pude

y seguía así, le marqué a mi mamá, le marqué a mi papá, nadie me contestaba porque yo dije, let's see, even though we lived in the same place, we talked by text. I kept trying, and again she said, let's go, but I never heard my mom. I never heard her say, I'm coming, I'm coming. No. Until I got sick of it, I said, you know what? Grab your things, let's go.

Jump, my sister. But here's what happened, key. Maybe that's why I'm still alive, or my sister. They knock on the street door. And I say, who is it? It was the police officer from the surveillance booth. And I say, who is it? It was the police officer from the surveillance booth.

And I said, who is it? Ah, I'm the police officer. Open up. What happened? He said, your dad has a surprise for you. And I said, surprise? No, come out.

And I said, ah. By intuition I grabbed my keys, I grabbed my sister, she grabbed a sweatshirt, the normal thing, I open the door, I go out, I go to the house and I hear how they knock on the door of my house. And it can't happen anymore. My dad puts the insurance, the pick-up and closes it with a key.

It's impossible to open it, it's just throwing it away.

Yes. For this I left my sister in the house. I came back and well, when I didn't have the keys in my house, I would climb out the window. My sister had the bike outside and I would climb on the bike. I tried to do it, but I couldn't. And I was knocking and knocking on the door, asking them to open the door, but no one was listening. I went back because the window was facing the parking lot.

What did the guard tell you when you left?

I realized that my dad called the guard. I mean, he was still alive. He called him and said... I don't know what he said, but I heard the police say, You're wrong, Oscar. You're wrong. Think about things. That was the only thing I heard. But I did see that the police was scared. I was like, what do I do?

But I never knew what I told my dad over the phone he only listens to that. So, when I try and try and I don't have, I didn't have an answer, I call the police. I go back to the house with my sister, my sister crying because obviously she doesn't know, I see my grandmother. I called the police and they came.

It was a coincidence that they were in the corner. I told them that my parents were inside. I wanted to know what was going on because my grandmother wasn't conscious. The police arrived and knocked on the door. I couldn't go in. The cop, I don't know what he said to my dad,

but it was like my dad had it all planned out. Because the surprise was very strange. It was very strange. What surprise?

How long were you out there?

About 20 minutes. I mean, I was there for a there? Oh, like 20 minutes. I mean, I was there for a long time, I didn't give up. I mean, I was like, open up, open up. But, anyway, I couldn't have done anything. The police came in and... The police...

A group of people came and knocked on the door. It was cold, and my sister wanted a sweatshirt. I told her to let me in my room because we slept together. They let me in my room and I grabbed a sweatshirt.

You entered? Yes. You tried to see something, I imagine.

Yes, but they didn't let me. The prosecutors didn't let me. I later found out why, but I just went for the things. I grabbed a backpack, tried to put... I don't know. I put in my wallets, my iPad.

Did you imagine that this was going to be serious?

Yes, yes, yes. That's why I put in... More than anything for my sister, so she could distract herself. I go out, and I see on the wall, hands with blood. I mean, literally, paint. And I see the floor, from my parents' room to the entrance, a pool of blood.

As if someone was walking, bleeding.

Did you imagine it?

Yes, because the wall was white and you could see... I knew who the hand belonged to. As the path from my room to the outside, I have to go through my parents' room, from my parents' room you could see the blood. But I couldn't go through their room because the experts were there.

I went out, I went with my sister, I gave her the things, and I saw an ambulance coming, and the white truck of the…

The one that left in the beginning. and the white truck of the ice cream truck arrives. It went over me. Uh-huh.

And I said, I want to see my mom, what's going on?

You thought they were coming for your grandmother?

Yes, but I thought they could save her or that my mom was alive. I go into the bed and I stay with my sister in the closet. And I just see how them taking my dad out. Only my dad. Because I saw his sneakers. I said, where are they taking my dad?

They took him out...

Covered. I only saw his feet. I told the police, why don't you take my mom and my grandma out? al policia, oye, ¿por qué no sacan a mi hermana, digo, perdón, a mi mamá y a mi abuela? ¿por qué no las sacan? No tienen que ir al hospital. Yo para esto no supe qué les había pasado todavía. Sí, gracias. Y les dije, este, ¿dónde está mi mamá?

¿y dónde está mi abuela? Obviamente yo ya sabía que mi abuela ya había fallecido, pero de mi mamá no sabía absolutamente nada. And where is my grandmother? Obviously I already knew that my grandmother had died, but I knew absolutely nothing about my mother. My father was leaving for this, he was taken to a nearby hospital, he was escorted, and some of my uncles arrived. And it turns out that my father had called my uncle because he was fighting with me. He literally said, Hey, you know what? I'm fighting with Pamela, come help me. And it wasn't for that.

It was for them to come for us. And they took us to the DA's office.

Your dad had sent you a message at that time.

Yes.

How was that situation?

When I didn't see my dad's response anymore, ¿Cuándo estuvo esa situación? Cuando yo ya no vi respuesta de mi papá, le mandé mensaje súper enojada y le dije, dime qué está pasando. Me acuerdo hasta en mayúsculas se lo puse, dime qué está pasando.

Cuando tú estabas dentro de la casa tocando la puerta del cuarto.

Yo estaba en mi cuarto. Yo por el miedo de que algo nos, lo que sea nos hubiera pasado, cuarto? I see that he answers me and sends me a very long message saying... Obviously when I read the message I said, I already knew what had happened. He said, I love you very much,

my family is not to blame, he put names of relatives, look for them. The house, the land, your trucks. And I left a name of your union, the work, so we could look for them for legal matters.

And he said, I love you, forgive me. And he blocked me. Because I answered the message and I said, Dad, think about it. What's going on? What are you doing? And he blocked me. I called him, he didn't answer.

And that's when I grabbed my sister and said, well, it's over. But for this, I thought my mom was still alive. Because they were literally locked in their room.

When, going back to the moment when your uncles arrived, what did they tell you? What do you tell them?

My uncles didn't know anything. The only thing they knew was that my dad, in the morning, like at 6 in the morning, literally, the same day, called my uncle and said, hey, can you come over later? For Pamela y por Majo?

Es que algo así, nunca entendí bien, pero como que mi papá quería que no nos quedáramos solas. Cuando llegan mis tíos, la patrulla ya nos quería llevar a la fiscalía y le dijeronon no, yo las llevo. Y ya fue cuando yo le dije, sin que mi hermana escuchara, oye, ¿sabes qué? Es que se llevaron a mi papá en la ambulancia y mi mamá y mi abuela no, quién sabe dónde están. Pero ellos no sabían nada.

O sea, ellos no sabían ni que mi papá había hecho eso, ni que mi abuela ya había fallecido. But obviously I told them, you know what, my grandmother has passed away, we don't know why. They escorted my dad to the hospital and now they want to take us to the Feminicide Prosecutor's Office. And I told my uncle, why Feminicide? What happened? I mean, shouldn't we go to the normal police station? The one that doesn't have femicides?

And that's when the police officer came to my uncle and said, No, there are two corpses in the house. And I was like, what? I mean, they didn't take them to the hospital? And that's when my uncle told me, no, your mom and your grandma stayed in there.

But obviously my concern was my sister. I wasn't going to tell her, hey, you know what? This happened. No. We got in my uncle's car and they took us to the Femicide Prosecutor's Office. And it was a mess because it was horrible, the place was horrible. We arrived and they started to report me. My sister was in a playroom, they left her there.

The system was so bad. They called a psychologist and a social worker. I started to report and the psychologist says, your mom and grandma died. Like that, coldly. I mean, what?

I didn't even cry. I was like this. I said, what's going on? And they are supposed to take you to the psychologist and the social worker to help you, and they didn't help you at all. I was so shocked that I didn't even cry, you know? I kept talking to the one who was asking me.

And a lot of people started coming, asking me questions. They said, show me your parents, and I'll show you their pictures, to see if they were them. And that's when they told me, no, your mom and your grandma died, just like that. And they kept asking me questions. I left, and my parents came in to testify. And I was there all day, I mean, I hadn't even had breakfast, my sister hadn't either. And my sister, until now, keeps telling me to go see my mom.

To see your mom.

We were at the DA's office and she started hearing my mom talking to her. But for that, my sister didn't know that my parents had passed away. Well, not my dad, but she swears that she saw my mom at the DA's office.

And what did she say?

That she should come. My uncle told me, because I was declaring and they were outside, that I was telling her, hey, my mom is talking to me, she's talking to me, she's there. And I saw her, and my uncle,

no, she's not, come here. But for this I had told my sister that someone had come into the house and had done something to my parents, and that's why they were taken to the hospital. But my sister is not stupid. She told me, I think my dad was crazy.

That's what she told me. And I, how? She started to tell me, yes, having seven years, I think my dad is crazy and he did something to my grandmother and my mother.

And I, I didn't tell her anything, I just told them they were wrong, that something had happened to them. Because she knew, she knew. And so we kept on talking. And until the next day I found out that it had been my father.

But I already had a hunch that he had been my father. But I already had the intuition that he had been. That he had been. And obviously, my mom and my grandfather died at the time.

Do you have any idea of the reasons or the cause of death of both? Yes.

What was the cause of death? My mom had a shot in the chest. of ambas. ¿Cuál fue la causa de muerte? A mi mamá fue un disparo en el tórax y a mi abuela fue de que literalmente con el mango de la pistola le hizo una cintas y falleció. O sea, mi papá de la fuerza de lo mal que estaba con el mango.

A ver, hablamos de un...

...peisbolista. Let's see, we're talking about a baseball player. Yes, yes, but the weird thing is that when I saw her, she was already dead. There was no blood, nothing. She was already dead, but... It was when... She hit him. I mean, she hit him with the handle of the gun and I think he suffocated her. But I found out later, don't you think I found out the other day how it had been? Yes, of course. yo mentores despues no creas que mentere a la otra de como había sido o sea yo me enteré que había sido mi papá pero no que como entonces al otro

día a las seis de la mañana tuvimos que ir otra vez a la fiscalía créeme que yo estaba ya de que arte ya lo que menos quieres es eso yo ya me I was so tired. You don't want that anymore. Yes, I wanted to go somewhere else. We came back and the next day my mom's family arrived. They hugged me, we cried, and they interrogated them again. But for this I had to go see my dad at the hospital. Because he was still alive.

It turns out that he shot himself in the head, but the bullet didn't go through. It stayed here. And that made him stay in a vegetative state.

So he shot himself, and the bullet didn't...

No, it didn't go through.

Did you already know that gun...? No, no le salió. ¿Esa arma, tú ya la conocías?

No, no, no, no.

Créeme que apenas este año me volvieron a hablar de la fiscalía y me dijeron cuál era. Pero nunca dijeron de dónde la sacó, ni quién se la dio, porque yo conozco mi casa. Solo había bates de béisbol were no weapons, that I know of. So, he stayed here, and that's why they took him. I mean, he was still alive when they took him to the hospital.

And, well, my aunt, my dad's sister, calls me and says, hey, you're the only one who can go see him.

At that moment, I didn't want to go see him. papá y me dice oye tú eres la única que puede ir a verlo

yo en ese momento yo no quería ir a verlo o sea o iba a la fiscalía o iba al hospital ¿Cuál era el sentimiento tuyo de entender que evidentemente es tu papá por más mal que haya pasado la relación siempre existe un cariño de que no quieres que nada le pase pero también existe esta combinación de terminó con la vida de There's always a love that you don't want to happen to him, but there's also this combination of... He ended up with your mom's life. What was that feeling you had that must be super strange?

Yes, no, look, it's just that... Obviously I was angry because I know it wasn't my fault, but in my mind it was like, culpa pero si en mi mente era de que oye porque no salí a ayudarlo que le pasó no era así suena feo pero yo era más apegada a mi papá que a mi mamá y mi hermana era lo contrario no en ese momento ni siquiera estaba pensando en pues en que lo hizo se está pensando de que haber está vivo o no I was thinking, what did he do it? I was thinking, is he alive or not? You wanted him to be saved.

Yes, because for this, the prosecutors made me file a complaint against him, if he was saved or not. So, at that moment, I was angry, but because of my family, you know? Momento estaba enojada pero pues por la culpa de mis familiares a vez porque Quieren que fuera al hospital quieren que o sea quieren que me pusiera de un lado obviamente yo no lo iba a hacer eran mis papás ya es bronca de ellos y se enojan entre ellos pero Si queriera verlo no no podía verlo

O sea no no puede verlo porque no me dejaron Pero no estaba No, no, no. I didn't have time to think about my father, because I was with my mom and my grandma. But my family didn't let me go see him. I'm the worst if I can't go see him. I couldn't. That's up to this day.

But in the end, he was my dad. Yes, that is up to date.

But in the end, he was my dad. I'm not going to justify it, but he knows, only they know what was going on in his mind. And it's not that I'm worried about my mom, but she didn't want to help me with my mental health. It's not her fault, but there were a lot of issues. I told my dad to leave me alone. And he never did. And I told him, you know what, leave him alone, he didn't want to.

He didn't want to. And I don't think, I mean, maybe I could have avoided it, but... Later I found out that my dad was a drug user. And maybe at that moment, well, imagine, maybe neither my sister nor I were here. Because believe me, at some point in my mind I said, well, I could have helped my mom. I could have opened the door, I would not have surrendered.

But imagine if the police had not spoken to us, what would my dad have done? Yeah. me a preguntado que porque me abuela si no era asunto pues le toco literalmente ya estaba ya después te voy a contar lo que me dijeron resulta que mi papá empezó a golpear a mi mamá los gritos que te dije que había escuchado eran de mi mamá pero fue porque mi papá literal agarró del cabello y se la The screams I told you I heard were my mom's. But it was because my dad literally grabbed her hair and took her to her dead mom. That scream wasn't because I had done something to my dad,

but because my grandma was already dead. They were, I mean, in the middle of the night, when I was asleep, she grabbed my grandma, unawares, and she suffocated her.

In the morning?

Yes, in the morning. In the morning, when my mom was getting ready to go to work, my dad, already sick, starts hitting her. Because when I saw her at the funeral, she was full of bruises, I mean, all this. He starts hitting her, and my mom says,

Hey, wait, wait, Oscar. She starts, I don't know, defending herself, but you can't compare her strength. She grabs her hair and says, Look, there's your mom. And that's when the screams woke me up.

I mean, my mom was still alive. I see my dead mom, and I grab her and put her in the room. And that's when the screams woke me up. My mom was still alive. I see my dead mom, I grab her and I put her in her room. And that's when I keep hitting her and she shoots.

You never hear a shot?

No. But then I realized that the loud knock on the door

Was the knock on the door?

Yes, maybe it was

Yes, also

And that was when they shot him in the chest My mom died fast It was when the cop called us We were outside and he was already shooting himself But I never heard him shoot himself and we were outside and he shot himself. But I never heard him shoot himself.

Never, never, never heard. Aha, so everything I had told you about the path of blood was my dad. Who tells you this story? The experts.

The experts make up the story?

Yes.

I mean, I imagine it was because they realized the time of death your grandmother was going through. And more or less everything that happened.

Yes, and also, you see, I told you that I saw the path of blood and the hands. It was my dad, he was already like that. He was putting his hands everywhere. He was the only one who was bleeding. Your mom wasn't. The other day, they opened the apartment

and since they had their room with a bathroom, it turns out that both of them were like that. My mom here and my dad upstairs. It's like a movie, at the same time

I went to the bathroom and the bathroom was full of blood. I mean, full, full of blood. Where you bathe, full of blood. The toilet full of blood. The mirror with hands.

Did they let you in to see that?

Yes. Yes. Because the prosecutors were nice and let us pass through things. Because we couldn't... The place was protected. Yes, they had put a sheet that said, Feminicide, investigation folder, and such. And obviously all the people were passing through there,

and I saw it. Obviously everyone found out. So I went in, and in my mind I already realized how he did it. I saw everything. And it smelled terrible. I went into the room because of my parents' values. I went in for my things and I left. But I thought about other things. I thought it had happened differently.

I didn't know it had happened to my grandfather first.

What was the story you imagined?

I thought I had killed my mother first. And I thought my grandfather was alive. I thought he was unconscious. And I never thought my dad had shot himself. I thought it sounded very out of the ordinary. Obviously it didn't happen, but I thought he was going to think and say, I'm going to go out, and no.

Did they give your dad drug tests?

No. I found out through the police. Obviously I started to investigate, and it turns out that my dad, in the early morning, was taking drugs to his house. And then I started to analyze his behavior, and I realized that yes, once, he got mad at me.

Who knows why? Not even a minute passed and he came back, and happy. He said, oh, forgive me! How? You weren't mad? And he was crying a lot, and obviously he was drinking a lot. When they opened the depot, I had to pick up cans of beer.

There were a lot of cans all over the house, hidden. Behind the couch, behind the TV, in my mom's room. Empty cans. Yes, empty cans.

Did you pick them up?

Yes. How many were there?

More than 30, I think. It was a shame for embarrassed to see us drinking. Then I went to question the police, which wasn't my thing, but I did. He told me that they were carrying cocaine and that he didn't use it anymore.

And that he started to use the crystal. And maybe when all that happened, when everything happened, he was full of alcohol and drugs.

So, his reality was very altered.

Yes, yes, yes. And apart from that, I started to analyze his behavior, if they were weird. He was crying and out of nowhere he was happy, out of nowhere he was angry, out of nowhere he was leaving, I was happy. I was angry. I was leaving and coming back. And who knows, later I found out that a friend lived with a friend and I don't even know where he is. He spent all his money.

Your dad? Yes, he left his accounts empty. He spent it all. All of it. Because obviously I went to the banks to check, and he didn't leave anything.

It was like he was saying goodbye to everyone. He left his accounts of the job empty, everything. And I found out that he started talking to his family members, crying. He said, forgive me, I'm leaving. And that kind of situation.

One night before that? No. Or a while before?

Yes, I mean, I had it planned. I had it planned because my uncles came to us. The guard had spoken to him. He didn't go to work anymore. He didn't care about the money, he didn't care about anything. Había hablado con él, ya no iba al trabajo, ya no le importaba el dinero, no le importaba nada. Entonces como que se empezó a dar por vencido porque empezó a hablar, a mí me contaron que les habla a sus hermanos, a sus primos.

Y pues te digo, literalmente dejó todo vacío. I'm telling you, he literally left everything empty. And he was a person who didn't believe in the psychologist or in therapy. My mom would often tell him, let's go to therapy, and he would say, no, no, no, I'm fine. And he would take it. And there came a point where I would only find him crying and crying and crying and crying. And he didn't't know what to do because he wouldn't let anyone help him. One time they told me, hey, your dad needs you, your dad needs you. No, I didn't want us to hug him or talk to him because he would get mad.

How were we going to help him? And how was it going to go through my head that he was going to do that? To tell him, hey, don't do this. No. So he was a person who was happy, but inside he was already bad. I mean, his mental health was already on the ground because he started to value everything. His life as a baseball player, his job. He was very disciplined, he didn't care anymore. And I, for example, who was older, he was always on the lookout.

He always took me, always brought me, just like my sister. And there was a moment when he didn't even know where he was. And I would ask him, put 100 pesos for something, and he would send me more so I wouldn't tell him anything. And he didn't even tell me, where are you? No, no, no. He didn't worry about us or him anymore.

So, when everything happened, his sister called me crying. She said, your dad called me and said, forgive me, it's not your fault. And that's when he shot himself. I mean, he did talk to her.

That was the same day.

Yes. Yes, yes, yes. And that was when I was going to the DA's office and my aunt was crying. I was like, what happened? No, it's just that your dad...

Oh, yes, they took him to the ambulance. It was like he was giving up because of his relationship with my mom and his life. Because I'm telling you, he was very jealous of my mom.

What is happening? How long does it take for them to give away your mom's body and your grandma's body, for them to see them? How was that process?

Notice that I didn't do that process. That did help me, her sister and my mom was very loved in her work, and they held a mass for her. After the mass, we had to take her family and I, we wanted to bury them where they were born, in Mazatlán. Before that, we obviously had to tell my sister.

We went to her office and there was a huge picture of my mom with her face. All her friends were there, and my sister was in a good mood.

They hired a child psychologist, not as rude as I was. We went to his office because he had to go get his things. He grabbed his things and my sister, the psychologist and his best friend, because they worked together. And I was like, why? Because we were going to go to mass. My sister was going to a religious school, so she would know what mass was about. We lie to each other, and the psychologist takes about half an hour and asks them how my parents were, the normal thing,

until he says, hey, your parents are angels. And I was like this. And my sister just grabbed him like this. But he didn't cry. I mean, I cry when I see her, but he doesn't cry. And that's when he dropped the paint and said,

oh, they went to heaven. Obviously, my dad didn't die for this. My dad was still alive. But we knew he was not going to live.

That's why they read the news about him. Yes.

So everyone starts crying. I tell you, he puts his hands here and he stays thinking for about 15 minutes and starts crying. We went down and they pay their respects to my mom and everything. And we went to the mass and a lot of people came. The next day, after my sister found out, she kept the version that someone did something to them. But you see, I told you that my dad was already crazy, like that, crazy. And she thinks that someone came in to steal the house and did something to them.

She still believes that?

Yes, yes, yes. She's going to see them, she's going to see them at the pantheon. At the pantheon.

Everything.

But, the next day we had to go to Mazatlán because the bodies had already been delivered. They take them to the highway, we arrived the next day, we went to the highway, it's like 10, well 15 hours by car. It's my grandmother's and my mother's funeral, and obviously my sister saw them.

Did you see them too?

Yes. I told my grandmother if I could see her before, but not my mom. We got to Mazatlán, it's the funeral, and a lot of people came. I swear, a lot of people who didn't even give me time to be alone. And that's when I told you I saw her. And all this, allised, bruised. And my sister saw her.

I took all day to see her. My little sister saw them later.

You didn't dare?

No, no, no.

It's just...

It's an image you never want to see. Yes, no.

And besides, there were a lot of people. I didn't feel comfortable. I grabbed my cousins and I went to see them. And that's it. I didn't get it because my mom was beaten up.

Because according to me and the police, before I knew it, they had shot her. No, no, make a viola cabeza, porque mi mamá esta Pues golpeada porque según yo y los policías de saber más le había disparado No, es que damos a velar la que es lo típico y empieza a llegar más gente más gente Pues mi hermana normal No lloro Si sentía bien

Pero No, you're oh She's in tears Pero Kareem, I can't grow can look at my flip over. Yeah, I mean, well, I Worked against a view of Salavio Merta This was a funeral and the other day unless a tieran in the miss more lugar Yes, you know some last palabras

After that, my dad passed away.

Your dad.

How long after your mom's funeral?

About a week. He realized that he was in a vegetative state and you see that it's not legal here do euthanasia and things like that.

So he's in a vegetative state, he's not going back, right?

No, no. And he realizes that... The doctors told me that since he was very athletic, I mean, look, even in that, that's why it lasted longer. Because he was very healthy. He was very, very healthy. He left on his own. I was in Mazatlán and they called me

and said, you don't know, your dad has passed away.

How was that second news for you?

I don't know. Ignoring the situation, I started crying. I mean, ugly, ugly. Because I thought I was going to continue, even if it was alive, right? And to be able to ask him what was going through his head. But I never saw him again.

I mean, I never saw him again. And so there I go. I had to go to his funeral the next day because they delivered his body very quickly. I go to see him and next day because they delivered his body very quickly. I went to see him and I saw that he was in a state of shock. So I knew that here...

You saw him? Yes, yes. Unlike your mother's funeral, your father's funeral took place. Yes. Obviously, there was this news about what had happened. papá sí obviamente existía esta noticia de que había pasado fue distinto al de tu mamá o cuál era la sensación de estar en el funeral de tu papá

mira en el funeral de mi mamá fue mucha gente y en el de mi papá no fue gente literalmente sólo fueron mis abuelos y sus hermanos. Créeme que lloré más en el de mi papá. Y además, pues, te digo, yo creo que la diferencia más grande sí fue la gente. O sea, la gente porque vio, ay, es que Oscar hizo esto, no quiso ir al funeral. I think the biggest difference was the people. People saw that Oscar didn't want to go to the funeral. My dad was also with my mom's family.

They obviously didn't go. My sister didn't go either, because she didn't want would come with me. But both of them were just as sad, ignoring that my dad did it. Imagine, you're at your mom's funeral and the next week your dad dies. But I think the big difference was the people. No one wanted to see him. And no one will see him to this day.

Did you receive messages?

Yes, a lot. I don't answer, but I received a lot of messages from people I didn't even know. And since the news became so famous, I felt sorry for him. I was like, oh, no, no. But you can tell by the situation, who was there and who wasn't. Because believe me, if my dad had died under other circumstances, there would have been a lot of people.

My dad was loved by the entire sports community and and the whole family. And the difference is that I lived more mourning with my dad than with my mom and my grandma. Because there were so many people that I was sorry for, that they came up to me and said something, or that, oh poor thing, you know? Because I did receive a lot of comments like, oh, what are they going to do now? And now what is this? I could cry until I saw that they buried her.

And I saw a lot of angry people. A lot of angry people with my dad.

And they were wishing it on you, I imagine.

Yes, yes.

Obviously, I didn't know what to say. He was my dad, you know. Yes, and I saw a lot of angry people. My mom's siblings were angry. And with my dad, they took him to a band. He liked the band a lot. And it lasted longer. I didn't even make it to the funeral because he left me a flight. But there was a difference in attitude as well.

Because, obviously, because of what he did. The approach with your uncles from your dad is very different from the uncles from your mom. Even before. Even before we didn't have that much of an approach. de parte de tu papá es muy diferente a los tíos por parte de tu mamá? Incluso desde antes, o sea, incluso desde antes no teníamos tanto acercamiento.

¿Ellos te dijeron algo? ¿Se disculparon por él?

Supe hace poco que la hermana y mi mamá se fueron a pelear. Así de palabras, o sea, a mí nunca me pidieron disculpas. I mean, they never apologized to me. But I have received comments that blame me for them. Why didn't you hug my dad? Why didn't I be with my dad? And I don't even follow them anymore.

It's easy to talk to them.

Yes. Any talker. Yes, but I did know that you can't even see each other in person.

Of course, it's totally understandable.

But it's not a topic that affects me anymore, because in the end, my sister and I were the ones who were with them, and they were like... they are a blood family, but apart. So, between funerals, the difference was clear. With my mom, we were even talking about happy moments, about how she was, and with my dad it was more direct. So, apart from that, with my mom I could watch her all night, with my dad, no.

Because, you know, I didn't want to stay up all night with my dad. Because I didn't dare. It also took me an hour to get closer, even more. So I've only seen him once in the pantheon. Once, and I've never gone again. To this day, I'll never know what was going through his head. but I know my dad had serious problems with jealousy. Jealousy of his partners, professional jealousy, angry about anything.

I never saw him hit my mom. Never. I only saw him yell at her. But I never saw... I mean, obviously, the accident is already there, but I never saw it coming to that extreme. And people ask me about my grandmother, why her, why her? I think my dad saw it because she got involved in her marriage problems. She defended my mom. And last year, I contacted someone, I don't know if it was a medium or something like that, contact a alguien que no sé si es medio o cosas así y me dijo que mi mamá ya

perdonó a mi papá o sea ya lo perdonó que yo no siga pensando en que ahí fue mi culpa y eso y dice que mi mamá no se dio cuenta y hasta que vio a mi mamá muerta ya hasta que digo ya hasta que vea a mi abuela muerta y yo me dije le and she says that my mom didn't realize until she saw my mom dead. I mean, until she saw my dead grandmother, and she was like, what's up with Oscar? But it's weird because my mom has been working and never... I imagine that's the problem of the men and also of having tried success.

I'm going to tell you from a very silly perspective, maybe it's unnecessary to compare, but when I was in college, I was doing very well and they told me that everything was perfect, that I was very good, that I was very good, that I was very good, until one day a teacher came and told me that everything I had done was wrong and somehow all that destroyed me and affected me I wanted to leave the university at that time and everything

and I compare it with this part of your father at some point, being the leader of the house, being the person who feels useful, who is focusing on the money coming in and suddenly your mom stands out. I think it means for him, as a man,

to stop being that man, the leader of the house.

Yes, because he was a star, I mean, he was very famous, he was very good.

When you went to a baseball stadium, what happened?

I mean, he... I tell you that when everything happened, I mean, everyone found out because he was so famous.

How long did it take for you to have the first news of a newspaper?

Not even a day. Not even a day, the news was already out, interviewing people, the neighbors. And on Twitter full of news and that ex-baller of the Venados de Mazatlán killed his wife and his mother-in-law and then killed himself. Like that. I mean, not even a day passed. and then he killed himself. It didn't even happen once. Even my best friend was intercepted on the street so he could talk and he said no. The ones from the newspaper.

They didn't look for me because I left. But I'm sure they would have looked for me. No, if they hadn't left you alone.

Yes, no, no, no.

And I tell you, the neighbors came out in the news, they went to record the hospital, my no, no. And I tell you, the neighbors came out in the news, they went to record at the hospital, my dad, outside. And there are Facebook pages of the baseball there, in Mazatlán, and they put the whole story of my dad, and even below they put, he fell into depression and his wife didn't love him. And he started, as he started to have a relationship with someone else.

And then they said my mom was humble. And that she was only with my dad for money. And that's why he started to get depressed, because we didn't love him. That we treated him badly.

That's right. I've read comments, in my case for example Pepe left Chiapas because he raped someone Imagine where so many things come from You can't even imagine where it could come from

I've read posts on Facebook of him and he does blame my mom

Your mom?

Yes, many times. And also from outside people like, why does my mom live there? And then the in-laws, why do they get involved? And yes, most of them blame my mom

It's a very common trend that they blame the victim more than... and most of them blame my mom. It's a very common tendency that they blame the victim more than the perpetrator. Because they feel that the victim gave the right reasons to that person to act like that.

Yes, of course. But, let's see, it's not justified. No, of course not, no, no, no. I do feel that my dad was really hurt by my mom's job. Because my mom was the one who gave us everything, and he didn't feel useful anymore. But he also never wanted to do anything. He also never wanted to say,

OK, I have two daughters, I have to do something. No. That's why I tell you that I got to a point where I got tired. I see him crying and I think, what can I do for you? What can I do? I have my school, I have things to do. I can't.

And my mom told me that it's her business. I'm not going to get involved in something that's not my business. And that's the conflict I have because I've been told, you didn't tell us, and I don't know what I... But you didn't ask either. You didn't ask how they were.

How were you going to know they had problems with their partners if they showed a different face to what was happening at home? You didn't know.

It's the typical example of a football fan who sees a game and says, what a fool the player is, why did he do it like that?

Yes, and that makes me very angry because I tell you, my mom is not to blame, nor is my grandmother. But also on the other hand, my mom had many opportunities to get out of there and she never did. Poor thing, what would my dad say, what is he going to do? He is the man of the house, he has to help us. Pobrecito, que decía pobrecito mi papá, que va a ser, es el hombre de la casa, nos tiene que ayudar. Y al final de cuentas mi mamá lo estaba haciendo sola.

¿Tu mamá era considerada con él hablando con ustedes? ¿O sea, hablaba bien de tu papá?

Pues sí. ¿Decía, sí, está triste, entiéndanlo, cositas así? Pues sí, pero al final conmigo ya me decía que estaba harta y que... Te digo que una vez incluso la metió en problemas en su trabajo. O sea, de tantos celos que tenía, le habló a todo mundo. O sea, gente que dices tú, ¿por qué no? Ella ya estaba preocupada por su trabajo porque lo iba a perder por culpa de mi papá. I mean, people you ask, why not? She was already worried about her job because she was going to lose it because of my dad.

Of course, and it was something very big, what she already had. Hey, I don't know if it's a good way to end, but if you want can't answer it. Nothing happens. But what is that moment that you remember in your family? Send me that last moment where you say... I mean, beyond... Your family is not that murder that happened, but... There were many other things.

I think it was when we went on a trip to San Diego. My mom, dad, my sister and I went to watch a baseball game of our favorite team. It was in September of 2022. And everything was still fine.

A year before.

Yes, a year before. Believe me, everything started in 2023. I still remember. A year before? Yes, a year before. Believe me, everything started in 2023. So in 2022, I will always remember. I mean, my dad was a very good father. Before everything happened, we didn't lack anything.

And my mom was also a good mom too. But I think that moment is very happy for me because it was the first time I left the country with them. We went to something that we all have in common, which is baseball. People tell me, Hey Pamela, why did you forgive your father? Why are you not angry?

And I say, I'll keep the good. Same with my mom and my grandmother. I keep the good, which is all the moments we spent.

Today you are separated from your sister. Your sister is in another state.

Yes, right now she is. But I know she is fine because she is hyperactive like me and she loves to do things. And I know that at some point she will find out, but not yet. It's not the right time or the right situation. But she knows her parents are there. But I feel like my grandmother was really affected.

Because, believe it or not, she took care of her. She made her food, everything. And I don't think that will never go away.

And then he saw her, right? How difficult.

Yes, he saw her. But I tell you, I was left with the good things about my parents. They were very good people. They helped people a lot. Even if they didn't have it, they helped people and they weren't resentful towards anyone. And they were very strong. My mom was doing very well bien su trabajo. Mi papá era muy buen baseballista

Tenía tenía muchos amigos era muy queridos por las personas Y pues obviamente pues les ganó les ganaron sus problemas

Oye, Pamela para ir finalizando tú que desde ti tienes 22 años ahorita

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Pues mira mucha gente me ha dicho hasta tú de cómo es que estoy aquí

Pero es que al final de cuentas pues yo tengo que seguir con mi vida you know, I have to go on with my life. I have a lot of things ahead of me that I have to accomplish. And I know that my parents would have liked me to go on with my life. I know people who have been stuck by what happened. And they will ask themselves all their lives, why did Oscar do this? Why Carla? And no, in the end of the day, neither you nor I are going to know what happened.

You have to move on. And you see me like this, but of course I get sad, especially on important dates. Imagine, in 2023 I had to put up an altar. I had never put one up, and the first one I put up was my parents' and my grandmother's.

So I think they would have liked to continue with my life, because even in the message my dad sent me, he said, well, keep going with your life, I mean, it's over, it's my business, it's over. And well, I've moved forward, I mean, I do a lot of things to be...

A dancer.

Yes, yes. And also, I tell you, a lot of people, my close friends, say, Hey, if I had been there, if I wasn't here, I wouldn't... I also have a sister. I mean, imagine if she didn't have me. You know? It has been hard, but two years have passed. I hope I can stay crying all the time at home.

Pamela, is there anything you want to add to finish?

Well, I want to say that, outside of everything that happened, Quiero decir que fuera de todo lo que pasó, mis padres eran muy... como te puedo decir, eran muy buenos padres y nunca nos hicieron nada a nosotras. Ellos creo que si hubieran, no sé, I don't know, to support each other in terms of their issues, I think it would have been different. Here, mental health is very important, because imagine, my dad was so bad that not even... who knows what was going through his head.

So, here, no one is to blame, not my mom, not my, here no one is to blame. Neither my mom, nor my grandmother. No one is to blame. Only, I don't know, God, whoever it is, will know what happened. But believe me, mental health is super important in life. I have learned it because I also have to go to my therapies and that. And it's too important. My dad didn't believe in that and that, and it's too important. My dad didn't believe in that,

and that's what my psychologist told me, you don't have to follow patterns. He didn't want to help, but I did. And I want to tell you that my mom, I mean, she never, she never mistreated my dad.

A lot of people say, oh, cool. No, no, no. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't even see him in the pantheon.

I'm not mad at my dad because I know they're going to say, oh, you got mad at your dad. No. I mean, I just can't be mad at him all my life. I can't be sad with him. And I'll never know anyway. I'll never know what happened, so I forgave him.

If my dad had helped me a little bit, I think things would have been different. I'm gonna much as gracias gracias por Me siento muy honrado de que toyas de Cedo que Quiero buena idea Contar aquí tu historia se que se que tan buscado por muchos lados pero gracias por la confianza He put my sproke a semen sake que traes aquí le yega a esas personas que lo necesita tambien es Es bueno saber cuando ya dejar algo que no leave something that is not working. That's important. Sometimes you don't have to solve anything,

sometimes you just have to end this situation to keep moving forward in life.

Yes.

Well, Pamela, thank you very much. Thank you, friends, for staying to watch one more episode of Pepe and Chema's podcast. Thank you, friends, for staying to watch one more episode of Pepe and Chema's podcast. Take care, take care, see you in the next episode. See you later.