“Mi pareja M4TØ a otra mujer por un cliente: ella murió y yo pagó 25 años de cárcel”

How did you meet? The woman knows how to win him over. She tells me, look, you want a burial. One day I manifest to you, don't you want to continue with her?

No, you are under arrest.

You are under arrest for...

She is the one who denounced him.

It was known that she had paid the sum of 800,000 pesos

to execute the lady. What does it feel like when you are notified that you have already been sentenced and you were 25 years old?

A Sunday, she visits me, a conjugal visit.

So you were still in love with her.

Imagine if someone has linked you to a process and goes and says, no, it's just that, look, I'm going to pray for your damage.

Did she ever have that conversation with you about what really happened, why that event happened.

If this person is watching this, what would you say?

What would you say? What would you say? What would you say?

What would you say? We are going to start the show. incredible as always. Don't forget that we will be on March 20th at the Astor Plaza theater giving a live show where you will feel a prison experience that is being deprived of your freedom, what this is about. Also, also suddenly think things better, think things better, stop judging so much who is here. You are only one decision, one bad decision or one bad company or for doing even a favor, las cosas dejar de pronto de juzgar tanto a quien está aquí usted está a solamente una decisión una mala decisión o una mala compañía o por hacer hasta un favor puede quedar privado de la libertad

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de hoy nos lleva a muchas reflexiones quizás a saber elegir nuestras parejas y nuestro invitado de hoy nos va a contar su historia que tiene que ver mucho con esto hoy nos acompaña francisco our partners and our guest today is going to tell us his story that has a lot to do with this. Today we are accompanied by Francisco Ivan Giraldo, who was sentenced to 25 years and 6 months for a homicide and today he is going to reveal his version of the facts. Francisco, welcome to Conducta Delictiva and thank you for accepting the interview with us. Good morning, miss, how are you? As you

well know, I am Francisco Iván Giraldo Castaño, again in front of the cameras and in front of the world accept the interview with us. public Masell and Francisco cuando We are almost a chinchilla Caldas in keeping so dramaticamente

Miss you and I tell so you know CEO in money sales Caldas he the muy bebe Desplazado para me we para money me You are a problem in China Caldas he cresce a ya en medio del campo I went to Manila, they took me to Chinchinacaldas. I grew up there in the middle of the countryside. I come from a peasant family, a mother who is a housewife, and my mother is very beautiful, and I have 14 children, she is the only child.

I am the last of the 14 siblings in a farm. I have worked all the time, I studied until fifth grade in the countryside, and I dedicated myself to the grade in the countryside and I started working in the countryside. Then I decided to go to the National Army to provide my service. I returned from there and provided my service in the first continent of 1994.

I returned from there to Chinchina and I had an opportunity to work in Café Le Utilizado. I became a welding assistant with an alternate company called Col Máquinas. In fact, the contract with Col Máquinas was terminated and I continued with Café Le Utilizado, which sent me to take a course in welding specialsers scene and I stayed working with Colmachinas.

We know that more for that time still a long time ago, but hey, in Colombia you drink some of your good beers out there. How were you? Because I imagine that at that time you were like a teenager, more or less.

Yes, I was already young.

Did you drink a lot of liquor? How were those weekends?

The weekends that usually go by of a young man. He works, he brings home and goes out to party with his friends. But in my case it was totally different because we come from a family or at the time it was machista, where they tell you, you have to be a man, you were born a man, the man is the one who commands, all those things that are spread to one suddenly, or that one hears in the popular neighborhood as a child, in the middle of the coffee shops, grabbing coffee or doing any other work. So, they tell me,

you have to go to a man, so at any moment a colleague tells me, you have to go to the women's club. So, I was, at that time I was still a minor. So, I went, I went to the women's club

and of course, I started liking the women and I continued to frequent the businesses.

And they went to a women's club. A women's nightclub.

So after we were in Café Libilizado, my friends and I went out to the clubs and that's where I distinguished the person who marked my life.

But before that, you already had a home, or a girlfriend.

Yes, a girlfriend, but a normal girlfriend. The girlfriend that we get along with a lot. A normal girlfriend. Then I continued my single life, and a happy single.

At some point, your family, your mom, found out that you go to these clubs?

I didn't know that she had noticed, but she knew. It was normal for the town to have a weekend. We contributed to the household because we were the brothers and we all contributed to the household and the rest,

we were poor.

The rest were poor, but let's say a healthy environment, because I've never consumed hallucinogens, no drugs, no cigarettes, but I did drink alcohol at the time,

and I used to go to nightclubs. Were you very in love with clubs? There are people who not only go to clubs, but also promise cars, houses and scholarships. Were you one of those people, or did it just happen once? No, I mean, what can I say?

In a love paradise, well, to say that a love paradise in a nightclub is kind of illogical, you know? Because love is not... love is bought, you know? So, that's why. So, it transcends one that... enters to interact with a person or a woman and suddenly there is an affection.

Suddenly, the affection that the person lacks, the family misunderstanding and one, suddenly, because is also created in a dysfunctional environment suddenly by the absence of the father although my mother was mother and father for me but the presence of the father is always needed for him to tell him one around here it is not it has to be around here then that also one as each covering his emptiness with other people, I think in my ignorance.

In that place that you told us about a moment ago, you met that person. Do you remember how was that first time you saw her?

Yes, yes, of course. I remember it was a very transcendental bar in the town. Women always arrived, so if there was a payment on Wednesday, Thursday, or whatever day, women would come. So that those who wanted to go spend the money, they would go with one. When they talk to you about this person you know there,

what is that first memory?

We left a normal quincena, I got to the business, or nightclub, recuerdo I wash my clothes and help my mom with the groceries since she's not able to do it right now. And that's when we get closer, like love, affection.

And the first time you talked, do you remember what you talked about? And what caught your attention?

I mean, physically she was a very pretty woman, a woman with long hair, with a waist. Yes, she was my prototype of a woman that I liked, and that's why she caught my attention. And what did we talk about? We talked about her life,

that it was a dysfunctional life, that she had a husband, that she had a son with him. At the time, she had a son. And that's why she got into that life, because of the husband's disappointment. And that's it. I don't know Don't say skipper's kipo. So say me to a savita poor l desengano del esposo Yes, los cuento siempre que que le narran a don cuantos años tenía usted para la época tenía aproximadamente

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Cuanto cuando yo almorzar coyo tenia la moto Decida almorzar a rimar negocio un ratico charla Moja el besito y ya de almorzar otra vez en la tarde Pues ya la reco ya iba a la casa me bañaba me organizaba y regresaba al bar entonces ya fue mal frecuente y había I would go home, take a shower, get organized, and go back to the bar. So, it was more frequent. And were there problems with the owner of the business? Or could they have their relationship? Yes, they could have their girlfriend, let's say,

without this influencing their work a lot, or not letting them work, as they say, because they don't take care of the lover, or they don't do their job anymore. But no, I never had any inconvenience with that. So that's how the relationship started.

And Francisco, how did you assimilate her work? Because if you met her there, there are many men who say, no, come with me and finish this job.

You know what happens? At first, you never think you're going to start a home, you never think that, that's true, you are not always in the madness, you are in that, no, that's me, we talk and then luck, you think in the moment, but the feelings are getting involved and then we end up in a relationship, living together.

And you just told us an anecdote where she goes to her mother-in-law's house.

It was the first time.

Her mother's house.

Yes.

When her mother meets her, what does she tell her?

No, but she knows her as the good woman, right? She doesn't know her as the lady of the nightclub. So she said, no, she's going to bring a lady from the bar to help her. No. She said, no, I'm going to bring a lady to help her because she's sick. She said, oh, well, my son, as good a son as you are. Maybe her mom must have had an opinion about her.

Yes, no, but she always, what the kids always tell her, my daughter, you're a good woman, and I looked at her and yes, I see her as a good woman. So, that's where we continue. But that's where all that goes, we started living. So, she retired from work and then, one day, she got lost on the weekends.

But, Francisco, how did you make that decision for her to leave that place? Was there a conversation or did she just decide to stop doing it?

No, that wasn't planned. That just happened. That happened because I never told her because I didn't want to take any obligations at that time. So, one day anyone said, no, I'm not going to go through that. He said, well, then don't go. We are on the motorcycle and we went for a good walk around the nearby towns. And that's how it happened. Then the other 8, well, then relax, everything is fine.

We continue, yes. Then he no longer continued working in the business. Ya seguimos si es entonces ya después ya no siguió trabajando en el negocio pero no siguió trabajando para o sea que yo me daba cuenta que ya no trabajaba pero en realidad ya ya llegó el vuelvo y le reitero el punto en que un día en fin de semana se me perdió dijo que estaba con los hijos que estaba con la mamá con el hijo porque está el momento de un hijo que estaba con la mamá y entonces

Ah bueno pues está con mi mamá pero porque no me dijo no eso sucedió así because at the time I had a son, who was with his mom, and so I thought, well, he was with his mom, but why didn't he tell me?

That's how it happened.

And how did you react? For me, it was better, because I was going to rumble again, and have a good time. You don't think that she's... I mean, you're kind of innocent,

you don't have that much world, Uno es como inocente, ¿sí? Uno no tiene tanto mundo, uno no piensa en cosas malas, uno no piensa en nada. Uno piensa que es la mujer que ya dejó el mundo ese y está en el hogar, y que de pronto fue un error que ella cometió por las circunstancias y no tenía otra opción que meterse a la vida fácil. Pero en realidad, ella aparent change, but she didn't change.

So she leaves that club and you go live together?

Yes, at my house, at my mother's house.

And how do those days of living together begin?

The best, the best. Yes, like everything. Yes, the first days, that's pink, It's love for there, love for here. It's wonderful.

And what did you tell your mom? What did she do?

No, because at the time she only did what I did, because she was no longer working. So... Your mom never asked you where you met her? Well, my mom also, as I say, from a culture of a farmer,

she never has the chance to say, no, this woman is like, screwed. No, she just said, no, you have to take care of my son, that he understands, he has to be a good man, he has to fulfill his duties, that's it. What a good mother always instills in her son,

and she tells her daughter-in-law. Yes. This relationship is developing, they live together, everything is pink at first.

When does it start to get complicated?

It gets complicated when she starts to disappear on the weekends. So on a weekend she tells me, no, I'm going to my mom's, is I lived with my sister. She said, yes, of course. I'm the mother. Nice to meet you, mother-in-law. She didn't distinguish. She started telling me, she left her children there, and she lives here.

What do you mean, children? She has five children. What do you mean, five children? Five children? So, I told her, I had only one son, and she said, no, she has five children. No. He said, so he wasn't with his mom? He wasn't with his mom. And he asked her?

Yes, I told him that maybe she had another mom, that he was seeing her and he was wondering why she wasn't there. So he had another mom.

And what did she say?

No, that she was working at a coffee shop, that she didn't want to tell me because she didn't like me working there, but that she wasn't doing anything wrong. So I believed her, because I loved her.

And you continued the relationship?

Yes, I continued the relationship.

And you accepted her with the kids?

Well, the kids didn't live with us. When time passed, she came back with two other kids. She said, look, but she didn't say they were her kids. She said they were her nephews, that her sister was going to throw them out. So what could I say? Poor thing, leave him here. So we started living with two.

Because the son she had lived with her father. So we started living with two, but it wasn't like before. There was no more magic, no more love for so many lies. It was more like love, I think.

And after she told you about the coffee shop, what else did you start to realize?

She told me about the coffee shop, and one day she told me to let her work. I said, well, if she goes to work... One day, I worked at the coffee shop, I worked until 12.30 at night. So the next day I didn't have to go because until after 12, I didn't go back the next day.

So, she would go every day to work at a coffee shop, supposedly. So I said, well, then later on the bike, I'll take you. So she got on the bike, we went to Pereira. She forgot where she worked. She completely forgot where she worked.

So, what she did was, in secret, she kept on working. So she made me believe that I was working in a bar. But she didn't tell me that I was going to tell her that I was taking her to work. So when we were leaving, I didn't know what to say, what to do. So I couldn't find where I was working and I forgot.

And how was her reaction at that moment?

Well, imagine, you get a bad genius, you suddenly, I mean, it's natural and it's a human being, that you get angry, yes? That you get angry, yes? So, well, I said, no, but I mean, women know how to conquer you. And you, well, inexperienced too, no, no, that you look, that what happens is that I worked, but I didn't, to No, she told me that she didn't like to be taken to anyone, that she didn't want her, that she didn't want to be with anyone. Because she was very delicate, and she said, well, she's so delicate, I better not go. She didn't go to the cafeteria either, and we were still normal there, she was at home, normal. So there was a lot of mistrust. There was a lot of mistrust because anything she was going to do, I didn't believe her.

If she told me she was going to pray, as if she were with the priest, I didn't believe her.

Francisco, at what point did you realize that she had returned to do her previous work?

What can I tell you? I mean, I didn't even realize it. su anterior trabajo. a child over there and that I was going to work in another class. She was always like inventing new stories and I even believed her.

And when do you realize?

When you start to disappear completely. We already fought, we already discussed, then she leaves, I get a girl, I got another girl. I got another girl. We split up. Yes, we split up. I got another girl. And one day,

my mom told me, she was here last night, and I didn't want to wake her up. I told her you weren't here, because you were with your other partner. So, I talked to the lady and told her to respect her home.

So I let myself talk to the lady, and guess what happened? That night I stayed with her. So we came back together again. And then I separated from the girl and I continued with her again, but then the conflicts continued the conflicts continued, and there were, how do I tell you, verbal aggressions

I mean, that relationship was no longer valid, but we didn't admitía Me ni yo tampoco la mitad in canals de haramos

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Si de pronto si hubo agresiones fisica de party para ella lo denuncias y por maltrato intrafamiliar Si pero esque se maltrata un tres familiar no fue tampoco por agresión física que lo puede eso lo puede because of physical aggression. This can be seen with the legal doctor because there were no aggressions. In the last one, in this trial, where he says that there were no physical aggressions, there were verbal aggressions, but we did attack each other,

of course, so that one has to accept their mistakes, and in fact I accept them.

At this point in history, many people who are watching or listening to us will say, but what happened to Francisco that he could not leave her?

There is the problem. It turns out that this lady, they say there are no witches, but there are. This lady had a friend with whom she practiced witchcraft. So they had made me a... They had made me a... what do you call it? A leash? With a doll, with my name, with a little bit of alfideles, and all that.

So that... that transcended to the point where I couldn't get away from her. And I... she got lost and I would get desperate. I would take my motorcycle and go to all the towns to look for her, from one business to another. That was impressive.

How did you realize that they had done that to you?

I went to a woman's house. I went to another woman's house and a woman who worked with Santera. She told me, look, you have a funeral, but it wasn't a millionaire funeral, it was a witchcraft funeral.

So she said, go to that grave at 12 at night, wrap a white sadana and I brought it. And I'm telling you that the burial was in Manizales, in the cemetery in Manizales. And the lady was attending to me in Itawi. So I moved to Manizales, I got to the grave of the dolphin, I told him, with your permission I take out this guard and there was a black bag and I took it out and showed me a doll full of pinwheels, it had my name and who knows what they would do with that

and he said, that lady gave me a green water and that started to cause me a lot of things, ugly things un agua como verde y eso me puso a trasbocar como unos gusanitos, unas cosas feas y eso era horrible yo no me podia ni parar y ya despues de eso ya, ya fue como pereza la señora y eso.

Ya usted ya la dejo?

No, no la deje inmediatamente porque eso era un almanaque, si no habia pegada habia colgada, si ve? I didn't leave her immediately because she was a sister. If she didn't hang up, I would. Yeah. So, of course, I was younger. I had no children. She had five children. Imagine, I was her B-plick.

In her time. So, I started to take it as a little piece of cake. Then one day I said, I don't want to continue with her? Because I saw the mistake. We got into a controversy, we treated each other badly, all that.

I started to shower, she left and went out to the street. She left and left when I was showering, I left the bathroom when the police came. They said, you are under arrest for family violence. They took me to the police station and there they told me, you are under arrest for family violence. They took me to the DAS jail.

They kept me there for eight days. I Think it'll be in a nutshell. Yes, I I'll also show you a man. You wanna have an idea? And I'm gonna tell you amazing. It's the kid. I'll show you the poor villain center familiar Ave no, I can't do it. I mean, please can you know no no no no no promote our aura Okay, you know try this I aldaz There's gonna. Yeah, just wild as amazing. We'll take a sweater're under arrest for family violence, but you're already under arrest for... Listen to this, what do you mean...

No, they already said, they already talked to us. Oh, they already talked to you, then it's better, because they are, then let me go. No, you're... So a process is already starting...

And who?

It was a nurse, so the hearing begins, that you are arrested by Mrs. Julana of such and such, the day of such and such, at such and such time. So then some inquiries begin, I was already transferred to the white prison in Manizales in the year 2000. But it happened in 1998.

And there is the detail, because it takes two years to say that I am guilty.

Explain that to us better so that everyone can understand the story. That is, you are captured and told that it is the presumed responsible for

killing someone. When you name the person, the victim, who lost his life. When you name the victim who lost his life, did that name ring a bell? Was it someone he knew?

Someone he had heard of before?

I had no idea who he was. So, let's go to the first hearing. The first hearing says, You are Elias Pacho. I am Francisco. So there we are, that's where the lady

causes the prosecutor curiosity because there are two Pachos. I am Pacho, the one with the working profile, the one with the peasant profile, and there is a Pacho, the bandit, who is giving the boom in the town at the time. El del Perfil Campesino Y hay un Pacho, el bandido Que esta dando el boom en el pueblo en la epoca Si ves?

Entonces esta señora Le hace creer a la juez, a la fiscal Que yo soy Pacho el bandido

Cual señora? Con la que usted vivia?

Si, con la que yo vivia

Ella misma es la que lo denuncia por ese...

Por ese... Y por que? in Mrs. Julana, yes, he was the one who committed it. And why do you realize that? No, because he was my enemy. He was your enemy. And what did you dispute? No, we disputed a lover. The lover of the man? No, it wasn't the lover. It was another man that we disputed.

And when he saw her in the audience, what did he think? That he was going to support her? Or that she...

No. Okay, yeah, no, no, yo, ya, say, ya que ya me que ya, via, de nuncia porque de hecho cuando me llevaron Preso era por porque ya me ha denunciado por violencia entre familiar entonces ella ya hay como vieron que me a la la empezaron a manipular la fiscalía la empieza a manipular a Para que no no me libertad porque la fiscalía piensa que yo soy alias bacho el malo me a dark place, there was a light of a taxi on, he left the light of the motorcycle on, he took out the colored alias, he hit the left cheek in the humanity of the Oyo Cisa,

look how precise it is, that no one knows where he hits him from the left or the right, it is not that he is going to hit him I'm a Sunday, she visited me at a conjugal visit, where she couldn't have any more contact with me. So I received her and said, but what are you doing here? She said, no, I came to pray for the damage you caused, because I know you are innocent, but I did it out of bad genius,

because you were going to leave my life, we were not going to be together anymore, and I love you very much. And if you are not for me, you are not for anyone. Ah, how to say? Yes, but I come to undo the damage, to say, look, I want to do this. this... this dismissal... this dismissal, where... where I already said how it happened,

I mean, why it was that it linked me to that... to that process, which I had no idea about. And that was on a Sunday, in the La Blanca prison in Manizales, which, if you can see, there's the date, because it has the seal of the prison of the time. Manizales que si tu puedes observar ahí está la fecha porque tiene el sello de la cárcel de la época y todavía sobrevive este

ese desistimiento

Bueno aquí está la carta donde ya está fechada con el 14 de noviembre del 2000 dice señor fiscal con sello también dice señoría me imagino que refiriéndose a la juez de manera respetuosa y de conformidad el artículo 23 de la constitución política I, referring to the judge, in a respectful and conformity way to the article 23 of the political constitution, I, so and so, of Manizales, I address you respectfully in order to present this written, I declare the accusation against Mr. Francisco Iván Giraldo for the punishable of the victim, the accused, such, in favor of the first complaint against Mr. Francisco was for intrafamilial violence

and due to this problem I decided to involve him in said of which this man is a stranger and what I did will cost me that the abuse to which I had been

a constant object in my life she did it because you mistreated her for the bad cohabitation but that she did it because you mistreated her. Yes, because of the bad coexistence. The bad coexistence that you had but she links it without you even knowing about this case. She says I appreciate the procedure respectfully I request it and at the same time I am available to make a report to

you and sign it. Yes. Francisco, cuando ella pasa esta carta, ¿qué pasa?

Bueno, te narro de los hechos. Me visitó un domingo, día conyuga, hace el desistimiento, yo la estaba amando más que nunca.

O sea, usted seguía enamorado.

Imagínate, si alguien te tiene vinculado a un proceso y va, te dice, no, es que mira, yo'm going to pray for the damages, and he says, look, I'm this, so imagine. If it is. So, the next day it was a public hearing. There they transferred me

from the La Blanca Manizales prison to Chinchinacaldas for the public hearing. We are sitting there waiting for the witness to come in. When the lady came in, with a vest, with bulletproof helmet, with a numberless number of CTI officers

guarding her. In the midst of my legal ignorance, because I am a totally legal ignorant, I said, Mr. Judge, at that time I could not speak, and they were attending to me. In the middle of my legal ignorance, because I am totally legal ignorant, I said to the judge, at that time I could not speak and they would attend to me,

Judge, why is this lady so guarded? Why didn't you take her to the conjugal visits yesterday? And she said, why did you do that? I said, what do I have to do with it? I have this statement and I have this photo, where she went to the conjugal visit yesterday and the judge is looking at her and says, is it true?

She says, yes ma'am, it's true. And I'm going to tell you how the facts really happened and who are really responsible for the facts. The lady narrates the facts, says Judge Julano, Ferencejo y Zutanejo, pero todo es... hay tanto vacío jurídico, es tan... ya, vea, con solo que yo tenga este desistimiento, ya con esto hay un prevalicato por omisión. Why? Because the judge, this was the queen's test, so that in the second instance they would have filed the case and given it a processual nobility. But this paper, which was the queen's test, was left out of the file.

When she admits in the public hearing, it is ratified in the letter and that you did not go.

Yes. public He was your enemy. Yes. What did they dispute? Why did they dispute? Why was there a dispute? No, because the dispute was for a lover. A lover. For him? No. Well, it wasn't. It was another man. She said, we are enemies because we disputed a lover. Then she hit me and retaliated for that.

I took that reaction and told her who had been the one who had done it. And who was the witness? The witness was another worker who had shared a workplace, I think in different places at night.

And she didn't catch caught for false testimony?

Or she was never in private? She should be linked to a process. Why? Because... there's so much legal action. One, that the doctor wasn't last in the-

says legal medicine. It says the lady was thrown in the- So if this lady was thrown in a- in a- how is this lady going to create a movie where she says that I took out a f***ing mole from a guy, I hit him in the left cheek,

that the light of the motorcycle was on, that the light of the motorcycle was on, and she's being a visual witness. But legal medicine is saying this lady was thrown in. So if this lady was thrown in, she as a presidential candidate, is One, two, why the taxi, the motorcycle that the lady narrates in the facts, was not arrested as a provisional material?

She, at some point, had that conversation with you, I left prison the first time and I went looking for her.

I wanted to continue with her. I thought it was a mistake, jealousy, and I continued with her. And she tells me, she says, no, I involved you because I didn't want to lose you. I didn't want to, I said that if it wasn't for me, it wasn't for anyone. But in reality, it was the DA herself

who told me how to do things. She told me to link another man who is not related to the facts. She admitted that he was not related to the facts. I asked her why she you point out that man? He said, because the police officer who was there at the time told me to point him out. The DA told me to point him out.

A man who is not involved in this.

And you were released in 2000?

2001 and a half, more or less. And why? Because I was innocent. Because I can show you all the facts, all the evidence, that I was innocent. 2001 because they infringe the double conformity of article 6 of the criminal code of principle OV9B that no one can be prosecuted twice for the same crimes.

But you go out, you get acquitted in the first instance.

Yes sir, of course.

And you are still in a relationship with her?

I'm still in a relationship with her for a couple of days, it wasn't long. I'm still in a relationship with her in Manizales, Caldas. It wasn't long, but I see the error, I see the genius. So what I do is I leave. When I leave, I leave completely and I come here to Soacha, Cundinamarca.

And what did you do?

I came to work, as always, I'm a hard worker. I came to work and I worked in a crop where they planted broccoli, artichoke and everything related to vegetables. So I worked there. When you got here, well, near Bogotá, Soacha, do you remember what that last conversation was with her before coming here? conversation I started working there planting vegetables, as I said before. And from there I retired, I set up a little tavern. From that little tavern, I finished with the tavern and I'm going to lend the services of an accompanying person,

accompany a man who was disabled in the area of Ana Poyma. And there the years begin to pass. a company I don't say no Kera is capacity Tado Valeria a napoema Yeah, I'm pisanatras currelo's I know it's a person who's I know so funny. Just a little million million a million moments he says oh, yeah for No, say senior asia, hurricane is conocimiento, hurric free. Nobody told me, you are linked to the process again.

For me, that was totally out of the question. Apart from that, I stopped taking care of the Lord, and I started cultivating the field again in Biotaco, Denmark. And I was already working on the fruit, tangerines, mangoes, all that, and I worked there. And that's where the time went by, the years went by. The police stopped me and I showed my ID.

Normal.

And in 2019, how did they capture you again for the same thing?

Well, what happened? For me, I was free until that moment. So I dedicated myself to collecting coffee. I would go to the fields to collect coffee in different municipalities So I started collecting coffee. I would go to different places to collect coffee. I would go to Pereira, Quindío, Huila, Tolima.

So I went to Santander to collect coffee. Exactly, El Socorro a Santander is a time into the Socorro Santander pero yo ya vean trabo a terminales a comprado tickets había normal navia normal entonces venía el 21 de diciembre de 2019 venía para mi casa yo tenía un hogar ambiental condena marca con mi esposa pues le había dicho a ella que por favor me bajaron la moto porque yo I had a house in Viota, Cundinamarca, with my wife. I had told her to please get me off the motorcycle, because I would arrive late and I would go there in a hurry.

I would arrive there in time for the last car that would go to Viota. So, when I was passing by, when they called me at the terminal of the Salitre, they called me. So, they asked me for my cellula, yo paso la cédula. Entonces me dice, pero venga, ponga el dedo. Yo pongo el dedo. Es que no, venga, usted aquí tiene un requerimiento.

Yo por requerimiento de qué? Entonces ya empieza el proceso para de nuevamente estar en la cárcel. Entonces ya, pues o sea, me as you're still here, you still have a lot pending. What did they say, why again?

If it was already supposed that you had been released?

Yes, but the prosecutor had appealed the sentence and they had returned me, and then the process had continued. But then what happens is that there is also an violation of the due process. Why? Because...

Why do they omit the defense? Why, at the time that they... when the prosecutor appealed in the second instance, why wasn't my lawyer or defense lawyer there? Why did they never notify me that the process was still going? If in the residence,

the address where I lived at the time, my mother still lives, the house is still in the same address, why wasn't I notified? That process is full of legal vacancies. I have more than 15 legal vacancies.

And what do you feel when you are notified that you were sentenced to 25 years?

I mean, at the time I think that, although it is true that the lady had appealed, she had already prescribed for the amount of years. But then, there was a that I wasn't prescribing, because the sentence prescri They brought me here to the jail, La Picota, it was a picota. And here, I'm not saying I've re-socialized, because if I'm a good person and I'm a hard-working person, I don't have to re-socialize. But I have achieved the space I had here to study.

I have countless diplomas, I have studied human rights, I have done with the OAS, I did critical instruments for peace, I have done a number of things and I have suddenly been soaked with things that I did not know. Francisco and you're not gonna

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para nada yo la verdad no quise yo no quise saber de esa general para nada yo quise hacer una vida nueva desde ceros y y pues

y ella sabe que usted está actualmente

todos diplomas que yo tengo acá y ella sabe que usted actualmente está I have here. And she knows that you are currently in custody? I don't know. I don't know what life is for the lady, if she is alive, if she is dead. If she is dead, may God have forgiven her sins. If she is alive, I forgive her. So, well, yes. I don't know the lady and I hope she has repented of her sins. I am here giving this interview not so that they can get me out of here, because in fact I already paid giving this interview not to get kicked out of here because I already paid for this.

Nor to hurt anyone. But yes, to tell the authorities that they must implement other methods of law. For example, why are they arresting to investigate?

Why?

If the person who is arrested is never going to be innocent. Because after you spend 4 or 5 years in a prison investigation, the state will never tell you that you are innocent.

But Francisco, since you already paid everything...

Yes, I still have to pay. What happens is that the entire sentence itself is not paid. There are some surrogates such as they are some administrative benefits such as the 72-hour war, as is the domiciliary prison and the conditional. So I for this time I am with a discount and everything I am approximately in 10 years. It was for me to be reading the 72- hours, but I had an issue with the time I was in Manizales. They couldn't find it here because with that time everything was on the machine. It was all systematized, I think, from 2014 to 2015.

So, it was a file. So, I asked for my time in Manizales and they told me that I had never been in jail. In Tutelo, they told me that the bail is not pending because the jail says that I have not been in jail. I had to start, send to look for my file through the judges, I find the file and then I went back to the police station. I went back to the police station and I was sent to the Manizales prison. But it turns out that I wasn't sent to the Penacá execution trial. So I don't have that time in the Penacá trial.

And that's why I didn't get a punishment for the 72 year old's plea. But at this moment I'm fulfilling years old, but at this moment I'm already fulfilling my objective. The only thing missing is a course, which I missed. Now I'm back to that, to start another stage, which is the midlife insurance. How much time do you have left? Well, let's say that for the median I already have the time, but for the home, I would be approximately, my home is with 50%, it's 306 months, it would be 153 months, and I would have about 110, more or less,

no, I would have about 40 months, between physical and discounted.

So, more than three years of lack.

Yes, of course.

Yes, but then, looking at it objectively and with optimism, well, what else can I do? I've already done the most I can do, I've already done the least I can do. In the same way, I know that there are many people who censor you because they say that the private people of freedom are the worst, and that's a lie. that you can't do that. to say you are guilty, you have to pay for your actions and bad decisions, because bad decisions are paid.

With that I do not mean that prisons do not exist, prisons have to exist because there are soon people who are unlawful as such, but there are also many innocent people, there are many innocent people in prisons.

Francisco, and what to tell young people who are watching you it in the face of decisions in love.

What do I tell young people who are watching us? Don't let yourself be carried away by impulses. Don't let yourself be carried away by taste. Think more. Think more, be smarter, don't give yourself up to a person so soon,

analyze the profile of the person, who is he, where is he from and where is he going. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. in the prison, no one pays for crime.

And if you're not a criminal, look very carefully who you mess with. Who you mess with, because it's not just the criminal who commits the crime, but the one who is at the time of the events is also a criminal, right?

Or the one who messes with a person who wants to involve him and hurt him, becomes a criminal and they label him without mercy. They label him without mercy. They don't give him the right to defend himself. They don't give him the right to anything. After you fall here, you lose your dignity.

You lose not only the driving part, you lose everything.

If this person is watching, what would you say to him?

May God have forgiven him. ¿Qué le diría? to the woman. So if she as a person and as a mother, because she had to have thought as a mother first, because the woman who died was also a mother, she as a mother had thought first before sending to do those things, that is not, that is not, that is not for anyone to act that way. In fact, if I see my wife with another man, I leave. I'm not going to pay a $%&%.

That's a lie. There are many women. And the same as men, there are many. And no one is anyone's. And you are with a person until the day she wants, until the day you want. That's how it is. So, don't make those stupid decisions.

What do you mean, I send someone, and then who pays? At the moment, it's very easy for you. That's how you do it. And when you get here, you cry. You are put in a perpetual chain, because 25 years is a perpetual chain, without mercy. Here you lose your family, pierde los hijos.

Yo no puedo tener un hogar bien constituido debido a eso también. O sea, no solo son los 10 años que yo llevo en prisión, sino los 20 y piola de años por los cuales me ha tocado vivir. Porque es que no vaya a creer que usted vivir así es muy fácil. O sea, pagando una cosa que no que ni siquiera hizo donde estuvo el error suyo si pudiera volver el tiempo que cambiaría de pronto cambiaría el no

frecuentar lugares nocturnos no no no frecuentaria lugares nocturnos no me metería con mujeres de sea de la vida son mujeres muy vividas son mujeres de I wouldn't mess with women from the street. They are very experienced women, they are women of a lot of knowledge, a lot of trajectory. They can easily entangle you. They have more world than San Antonio, they have it in their hands. So, they also profit from that and rely on that to be able to take in captives.

And not only take their money, but make their life bitter and entangle their life

well that we make it clear that it is not a generality

when they enter the business they are good people but it turns out that there is like the daily living and they are like soaking up things and they are getting into the world that is a world without return it is already a world of que es un mundo ya sin regreso, ya es un mundo de... también, de cosas malas, de todo eso, entonces, obvio, habrán mujeres que pronto les tocó llegar al momento allá porque de pronto una mala situación económica, pero lograron volver a salir y todo eso, pero hay otras que no, ya les queda gustando but they managed to get out and all that, but there are others who don't, they like the easy money and the easy life and they continue with that, and then they let themselves be consumed by the moment and the situation.

And here, how are your days?

My days, how are my days in prison? I mean, I try to be very strong, I try to be strong every day, holding God's hand above all. Holding God's hand, asking God for forgiveness for the sins I've committed, not so serious or serious,

but as a person I do things that are not pleasant to God. But I've always tried to be a person before I go to prison. I finished my high school here because I wasn't a high school student. I had done up to fifth grade. I finished my high school. I do every course that comes out.

As you can see, this is a tool for peace. There are countless diplomas that I have earned here. Specialist welders, wood, human rights, reconciliation of conflicts, I have studied with the OAS, I have studied with the university. I have done many things dedicated to overcome myself.

And right now, he was telling us, I don't want to be taken out of here. Suddenly he lost hope of appealing.

No, I mean, the thing is that a lot of people think that you sit in front of a camera to give a story because you want to become the victim or you want to be taken out. That's a lie. That's a lie. People only think about looking and saying, but that man does have the face of a bad person. No, that's a bandit. No, that's I don't know what, se enfrasca la mente en mirar y decir ah pero ese señor si tiene cara como de mala gente no eso si es bandido no ese yo no sé que tu es pa que me metió con esas viejas solamente como a juzgar

si bien entonces por eso yo hago esa aclaración porque yo sé que si de pronto hay un abogado que realmente quiera coger este caso yo le estoy narrando la historia tal y como es In this case, I'm telling you the story as it is. I'm not saying, if I had been guilty, I would have said yes, I'm guilty. After all, I would have gone even better because they are not going to implant the 25-year sentence. They are going to start from the fourth and for the charge of acceptance I am left in the middle. And for being the first time I would have paid 3, 4, 5 years.

But then it is very difficult for you to say, I did it, when I didn't.

And now how long have you been here in La Picota?

Now I've been here six years, on December 21st I turned six years old, and it would have been six years and two months. Well, Francisco, I want to thank you for this time, and we hope that life after upon him after leaving Cali and that justice can determine if he did well or not. That's where the void is seen.

Because the justice, do you know how much justice is bad for me? 70 million pesos, which I don't have. So here, the one who pays the jail, is the poor man, because the poor man has no way to defend himself. The poor man, when he gets to a first instance, with a lawyer who will tell him, without resources,

or a lady, but then justice for me is worth $70 million pesos that goes to a process review, which I don't have that money to do. So, what is justice for me? To finish paying and the few or many years I have left to live, to try to live them in harmony with my family, no more.

Well, Francisco, and congratulations for that lot of courses. It's good that you took advantage of the time.

Yes, well, it's that...

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