MI VIDA COMO EL DHEBOR: APRENDÍ A VIVIR CON POCO | # 384

Hello everyone, you are in another episode of Guzgrin Podcast And today I'm with my good friend El Debor, how are you? What's up my Guzgrin, we're doing good, you already know it A million

Thanks for coming to Mexico City to record this podcast

No bro, thank you so much for inviting me, I'm doing good Bro, can you give us an introduction? Which is very typical in your videos? Today I came with the Gusgri to do a podcast, cheers, you know. And I came with five bars. Diagrams, you know.

Hey bro, that Devor phenomenon is very interesting, Where does Devor come from? Who is he?

Devor comes from León, Guanajuato. He was born in a small neighborhood and started making content 3 years ago. I always did it for fun and until today I've always done everything I like. If I didn't like it, I wouldn't do it. And Devor is a really cool guy. He has a great time in the hood. You know I thought you were from Mexico City. A lot of people have told me I have an accent, but no. I'm from León, Guanajuato. León, Guanajuato, Rifa. Mexico. It's true, a lot of people say that we from Lengua Nahuatl speak like a little bit of singing

but I say that we do speak a little bit of singing but I speak like this, that's how I was given my voice I am like this bro, in real life and everything Honestly, there's no need to be pretending, it's not like that

Well, you've been talking about content for three years, what kind of content did you start doing?

Well, I started painting, doing graffiti, then I said, no, we have to evolve this thing, and I started putting in recipes, and then I added to the track, and I added two or three more things, and I say that it's a couple of other things. I think it's going to be good for a while.

Yeah, you've been making videos of you giving away food. And then the ones of you preparing the crazy water. The crazy popsicles.

Yeah, that video was really cool, I had fun. Every video I record I have fun, something good, honestly. But what do you like about recording videos? Well, when I'm recording them, I don't have a script, I don't follow the rules. I just start recording and I forget that I'm recording. I go on my trip and I think of any nonsense while I'm recording.

So the most viral videos you have have always been improvised. Like, today I have 10 pesos and I'm going to make a cake.

Always, bro. Suddenly ideas come out of nowhere. that today I bring 10 pesos and I'm going to make a cake and... Always bro, all of a sudden ideas come out of nowhere Yeah but that style of doing things with little money that already has like a year, right? Yeah, like a year and a half Besides, you said this was pure tag, pure graffiti

Pure graffiti, and here well, honestly, I started doing graffiti and then one day I was in the store

and I said, no, I'm really hungry and I only have a little money

I said, what am I going to do? and bro, I went to the store, I bought two bolillos and there in my house, since they sell cream, they sell slices of ham and so I went to the store bro, and I said to sell me two bolillos, cream, a piece of ham and a chili, I'm tired, you know I walked by and asked for all my ingredients, they answered me, I left the store and right there I made a cake and I was thinking about it with 10, 15, 20 bucks how cool

I said let's put it in the videos I said, before I start painting I have to show people what I live and that's how it was I replicated that in another video and so successively each idea is given, bro. It's what I live, bro.

Do you think that was the first video that hit the jackpot? No, no, bro.

The one that hit the jackpot, referring to the style, what I've done to you Yes, yes, yes, people started to identify with you because I didn't even know, bro and they commented that those are the typical hot water cakes and that the typical hot water cakes and I said, no, I don't know, I ate it really good on the sidewalk I said, no, they're hot water cakes, they're from El Devor

And why do you think people identify so much with you? Well, I don't know, no, they're from Aguascalientes, they're from Devor. Why do you think people identify with you so much? I don't know, man. A lot of people, I really appreciate it from the bottom of my heart. Everything that has happened, their support. I say that I like them. Yes, I once spoke about you in a live stream.

I said, hey, you watch Devor's videos. And I said, I identify with him because of a part of my youth Yes, yes, yes

I don't know if you saw that I started to live a similar lifestyle Like, I'm here in my house, lying down

And with a little money you can get some good stuff Yes, dude And is that place your house or do you rent? Do you realize bro, that I lived with my mom, like us, the truth is that we are poor, we come from below and well, we were renting bro and suddenly we did not have to pay the rent and they kicked us out of the place and my dad had a workshop

and in that workshop, you realize that it was like this in black work, the walls were all destroyed and from there, I started to lift the bars and I also did some carpentry and we lifted the bars with the help of my brother

and my boss and then I told my boss to stop the job and we will start saving money

to put the sheets and then saving money to put the sheets on And that's it bro, we started putting the sheets on and everything There was no water or electricity bro The water was not being passed by the neighbors And the electricity I got into work at a factory

And we put the electricity on, we saved money, we paid for it and they put it on short so when they kicked us out I told my mom, we've been fighting we have the canton we have a place to live and no one is going to kick us out and my mom said, no, we're going to get in and we changed houses. And that's where I lived

the whole process of the videos. I wanted to become independent from my family, from my mom and my dad. I said, no, let's go alone. And I left my house and my dad I said, let's go alone and I left my house and I rented a room with a bathroom and here and I live there now

and that's where all the magic happens

and what did you work on before?

I did a lot of things bro I don't know if you've seen but in my videos I was going to the store

To the cans, right?

Yeah, you realize that I was there too Well, not working but I was collecting cans and I was collecting the cans and I was getting money They gave me refrigerators, engines, we opened them and we took the copper out and we were going to sell it I have also worked as a shoemaker, that is my trade from there in Le square, screaming 10 bucks, 10 bucks, come on, everything is cheap, and here, bro. And well... What were you selling for 10 bucks? Well, a lot of clothes, dude.

Oh, ok. The paka, the paquita, bro. Yes, I saw a video, you took out some, they look like new, they were sent to you. No, but I didn't have any, dude. I mean, they kept making me look like the devil. Yeah, I saw a video where you took out some of the t-shirts and they were brand new Yeah, but I didn't have any left, I was just making a mess I can't even flatten them, if they were big I would

Yeah, well, you said 10 bucks and then? No, like I said, my mom told you, they also sell in the squares. And I started to learn about being an entrepreneur. And that's how it all started. I connect my daily life with my videos. And that's how all the videos go.

So you only had informal jobs, in quotes. Not like, I have my job and I'm going to stay. You've always been more free in that aspect. Yes, man.

In fact, that's why I think what you're transmitting is the freedom you have of, with 10 bucks, look, I cook and I stay here, in my house.

And very quiet.

And maybe other people that have jobs and everything

No, it's just that

The bosses have them very well They're very strict But well, everyone

No, it's just like everything There has to be that too, but yes, a part Well, if you realize You're the example that freedom Is many times more important than money

Yes, well.

And even having money if you are enslaved. It's what also, but it's also cool to have money, the neta. I also, as well as when I give my luxuries that I save a money, I can even piss better, right? I already leave the tonayan.

But, but, you're already neta, you're pedote. Ah yes, carnal. I'm not from Tonayán But really, you're from Pedote Oh yeah But from Tonayán or

Or is that just for the video? From what you put in front of me To Pulque, Tonayán From the lowest I haven't gotten to the point of grabbing the 96 alcohol from my grandma

And buy a horse from the store And empty it and go inside I haven't gotten to that yet but I do like it a lot

Well, with the videos, it's already a beer, right?

No, yes, bro, another fart Yes, so you do like the tonayán but I... Well, I have the impression that people older consume the tonayán Let it have it, don't have the money, if not... Yes, no, but it is that bro when you don't have money and well you are here at the party and well you want to piss and whatever and well with little money if you do everything the budget

although it is a drink that they say. And more in the crazy water, something good.

Yeah, you sold one with the fresh one, right?

No, bro, look, I have two more recipes there that are missing, but it's really good. The tuna, the truth is, it gives it a really cool flavor. You say, when I grab money, because suddenly you upload videos of a follower sending you a lot of money and you're like, I'm going to do this, I'm going to do a fart, I'm going to give it to you, right? People do give you money very often. From time to time, bro, people send me messages, dude,

and they tell me, you know what, my Devor, I want to send you this money so you can give it away so I can give away food and this other money so you can buy whatever you want or so you can get drunk and well I distribute it just like people send it to me, I give it away either money like that or also in food and well what they give me for me, well I get a dick what else do I do?

Why do you like to give things to people?

help? Well, no, bro, one comes from below and I see, I daily go out to the street and I see a lot of people that really need it and if I had more money

I would give them bro, honestly but well, I still don't have the possibility to help more people than I do when I go out on the streets Because this is real, I go out, I give away things, I'm not going to profit, I'm not going to victimize anyone or anything like that. I'm just going to pass my path and I'm going to help them. And I make the videos so that others can see that I'm giving away the money they sent me. What did you mean by, I don't want to victimize?

No, well, no one. I don't want to profit from people. For example? What did you mean by not wanting to victimize? No, I don't want to profit from people.

For example?

If I see people like that on the street, that I don't know, that are disabled.

Ask them why?

No, none of that. Everyone has their own life. I'm not going to get into that. I'm not going to get into the lives of others to generate nothing to do with it I'm going my way, I'm just helping putting a grain of sand in society too Yes, and then apart from that, if it works in a certain way so that more people do it maybe they say, no, they just do it for views and to make money

Well yes, but what if they didn't give? What if they didn't help? I mean, at least, ok for taking money but what if he didn't give? what if he didn't help? he would have lost at least maybe I gave you, I recorded the video and you got a like and whatever

but you helped the person who told you people are going to take that all their lives a guy came, gave me money, helped me whatever and he left why did he do it? who knows

if you understand me a man, 500 pesos and he left. Why did he do it? Who knows? You know what I mean? A guy, 500 pesos, and he had a cloth And he was really drunk

You could smell the alcohol

He was breathing

And do you feel good today? Yes In general, is it something that fills you?

Yes, it fills me a lot I do Like I told you If I had a little more money And the possibility To help people

I would do it But apart from that People give me their donations And just like they give me their donations, I grab the money and boom, I give it away I make the video and show them that I gave it away and everyone is very happy

the person who gave the money or the food is happy and also the one who sent me the money is very happy because he knows that I am doing what he gave me and yeah, it fills me up a lot, I feel really happy there are times when nothing comes out in the videos but people hug me and they tell me thank you so much, you're making me a lot of money

I didn't even have anything to eat for my family, for my kids. I take it, for me, everything I live, I don't record it. Hey, and has it happened to you if people are ungrateful?

That they do something like, no, no, no, give me money, or your snow, what flavor?

No, bro, the truth is that, as I told you, I go out on the street and I look at all the people and I already know who to give it to and who deserves it because I'm not going to give it to anyone. Why should I give it to people who already have it? Oh, man, let's see, explain that to us. I mean, I go out on the street looking and I see people like that, there are times when I look at picking up food from the trash And I honestly feel bad I arrive and even if it's not serious, I give it to them so they can buy a minimum of food And then I come back

And now it's when it's going to be cool, I give them their help You understand me? And well, first, before I give it away I go out to the street I'm good at just walking around and seeing who really deserves it Just because you see him in a street situation, does that mean he's going to deserve it? No, I don't want to give that... just because... imagine, you don't know what that person is going through and I'm not going to judge him.

I just choose people that I think, no, he deserves it. Why? Because he's working hard. And I like people that are hard workers. Because they work hard, they don't let themselves be defeated. And there are a lot of people that have problems and are addicted to street situations and all that stuff And they have depression and they just want to get into it

And I understand them, but those people don't have to give them money, they have to help them with food Because if you give them money, what are they going to do?

Yeah, well that's it

They're going to go bankrupt

Yeah, I was asking you because I'm going back to the same thing Not in your videos, but in others If I see people saying Oh, and you don't have the money yet? Oh, you're already giving him a cake

What else do you want? He said to eat, what do you want the money for? And you're like, don't give me the money yet No, I wouldn't stand And money, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, No, that has never happened to me, Gus Green. I'm a little bit of a Torta you know, I'm a person I'm a baby. Don't know I know you put a t-shirt Mama, but you know, I'm a mallet

Because I'm a kid that I saw okay. No, please play Tito no mas by no, but no la verdad pues todo lo que Si lo viera en el momento que estoy grabando pues ya no digo nada y hay que la gente se encargue I'm recording, I don't say anything and people have to take care of it And if you're not recording? Well, I'm leaving, bro I do it from the bottom of my heart

and if people don't want to accept it well, what else can we do, Gusgri? No way I'm going to fight with those people who don't reason Hey, and right now you're furnishing your house already? Yes, well we're already furnishing it I have thought about investing in other appliances But very exotic

But you have thought about staying in that room? Yes

Or do you want to move?

No, I have thought about staying there for a while Because I feel very comfortable there and you don't want to move No, I have thought of staying there for a while because, to be honest I feel very comfortable Why? I have my privacy there, nobody bothers me

Is it a house with an independent entrance?

Or is it a rooftop? No, it's like an apartment But there are more

similar rooms

Yes, but nobody messes with anyone Everyone is in their own way Everyone goes their own way But there are more similar rooms Yeah but no one messes with anyone Everyone is on their own Everyone goes to their own place And then they go home And that's it

And with what camera do you record videos?

I record with a GoPro camera That I bought a long time ago But sometimes The lens wears out And I just change it But it sometimes the lens wears out and I change it, but it's the same

And you put it here, on the neck, because we see you have free hands

On the head How? I put it on the head On the cap? No, in the head It has like a... Like a spring, bro And I put it on my head

Oh, wow, like a spring

Yeah, like a... I didn't bring it, I didn't show it to you But it's a spring, so it goes on the head

Like the helmets

But without the plastic part Have you seen the miners?

Yeah

They put the lamps like this, just like that. You can see everything. I imagined it was like over here, discreet. Because suddenly people come up to you and they're not...

What's that you're throwing up? It's a bit of a shock. But like I said, people don't get mad because I'm not doing anything wrong They just look at me and say, come to your kingdom

Yeah, I agree

And that same camera is the one you use when you're going to sign? Yeah, it's the same, it's the only one I have And honestly, it's been really useful But sometimes I get discharged because I have a battery and it gets hot and turns off

and sometimes I stay waiting for it to cool down and then I continue with the video and I have to be like that as if they had a fucking waffle there in the stove waiting for it to cool down to eat it Hey, tell us now about the art you do, right? Of the Devor, you told me before

the interview that 15 years throwing graffiti

Yes bro, I already have a good time

Tell us why you started graffiti?

Well, I started graffiti because I looked at my cousin who painted graffiti and well I was a kid and it caught my attention a lot and well I started to get my name to start painting it on the street and I started painting it at 11 years old I started getting my signature and everything

and I went out to the streets with the spray paint I don't know if you know them that you fill with oil paint it's good I use acrylic paint that's the cool one

and I also got my products for sale From Devor? Yes, my sprays Like, what the hell? And from there everything started, from the videos In fact, I didn't plan to make videos like that

Of content or anything I honestly started with my product You realize that to get the sprayers for sale I didn't have any money And we lived in that house in Lamina And my mom told me, let's go to the plaza to sell

And I got some garri some money that I had there We went to the plaza and I put my position, just like the videos And nothing was sold until a guy came and liked a blue Dickies that I liked a lot and I didn't want to sell it And he asked me how much, I said 100 and he said no, I'll give you 70, bro. And he says, well, give it to me, I put it in a bag, bro. And right away, my bro, he took it. So, with those 70, I said, I use them to eat or to sell my stuff because I was thinking of selling something

and I took a risk and started selling my stuff then I moved, I bought the pomitos, the tips I learned how to do all that stuff and the paints. And I had the product ready and prepared. And the next thing I did was a TikTok.

Then I started trying my product so that people could see it. And then all the people started commenting, I want it. I want it. And on TikTok I remember I said What's up bro? If I sell my spray cans, who would buy me? And a lot of people said, no I'll buy you bro

Come on, sell them And I already had the spray cans in my house And the messages started to fall through Instagram And I started doing deliveries In the parking lots of the truck because I was going and I arrived with my handful of sprays in a bag and I would open them to the

guys and there he chooses the colors, bro, he chose his colors, how much 30 now he took the 30! He was getting the promo Sometimes he was getting really cheap promos Like they were giving him 7 for 200 pesos but it was a lot and the kids were really happy

they were going with their 7 to work in the city but he was also down a lot of stuff like I said, I started with the 70 pesos that I sold my pants

and instead of using them to eat, I started and honestly my mom never left me without food she gave me food and I started

and all that happened but when I started selling them, obviously I didn't have money and sometimes the truck jumped me to deliver them to far stops and other times they got me off the truck because I jumped and I got out of the stop and he told me hey get out you didn't pay and like that bro, there were times when it wasn't my day and I would go to the next stop

and the same thing, down what else was left? walk but some long stretches walk, walk, walk I would get there and give them their water bottles

and now I he grabbed the truck and the money as he was earning it he was investing it he was investing it and now it came to a point where I started to sell a lot to other people outside of Leon and now I don't make as many deliveries anymore, I leave them in the graffiti stores so that people can go and buy them and well, honestly, I make each product with my own hands but I put a lot of effort and heart into it because I like it.

Is it just a sprayer or also a can of aerosol?

No, not the cans, bro. That's another thing you have to buy machines and all that but you can't just send it to do it and label it well

I don't know who makes cans that wants to make me

I don't know GusGri and you used to scratch better with the cans. I imagine that when you started scratching, you used the normal cans, right? The ones that paint, the ones that mark, the ones from the island, or which ones are the ones that you prefer?

No, we started with the aquarium ones, man. Oh, those are the aquarium ones. But, and the other ones that are for graffiti, the ones that sell in stores The new ones that came out Is that so? Is there a difference? I'm going to lie, at the time of writing There is a lot of difference Gus Gris Why? Because you realize that the pressure

is different You can see it here, it's very No, the paint The paint You realize that the aquarium one is pure water and the paint

to make graffiti comes in a thick layer, and when it's done, it's just like, let's go! So you get rid of it, and everything. Same with the caps, it's different. There are a lot of goose grease. If you want to paint something big, big, fast, a star, a golden

and if you want to do something more simple, to fill and trace, a fat cap and if you want to do something more legal, more detailed, a level 1, a cream and there's a lot of tips to put on the different boats but it's really cool, the ones I like are the big ones without the boat, without the boat yeah, like a machine that pulls out the whole can

yeah, short, but you just flew, so you don't get caught you said for something legal You said Because then there are some graffiti The illegal is the one that Is the cool one Yes, of everything

But what I like the most is the illegal The adrenaline feels cool

When the police come, what happens? Do they run?

If they catch you, what happens? No, now in my city there is no bail And if the law takes you to Canada, you stay there 48 hours in prison How many hours? There is no bail for graffiti?

What crime do you do? Well, graffiti Graffiti, like that They put it on me the last time I fell for graffiti. Why did they bring you for graffiti? For painting graffiti in public.

And for example, you, that you record yourself scratching, I mean, you can't get into a fight.

Well, I'm already in a fight.

I mean, maybe you were painting a sculpture with paintbrushes, right?

Maybe you said ask the lady, you were painting once, maybe you should ask her with a brush Maybe you should ask the lady, lady, you see all the graffiti on her beard, let's do a drawing No, like that, honestly, it's also cool, dude, I mean, there are only ugly scratches, you come and you tell the lady, what's up lady? I don't have a chance to paint her beard, and the lady comes out and if you get angry, well, you're going to give a relief to her house barda y sale la doñita y si te da vieda pues le vas a dar una liviana a su casa y que le van a hacer no que le vamos a hacer señora una virgencita sale ah no que dice ahí no si llega de repente la gente wey que estamos pintando y llega la gente oye no me haces una virgencita en mi casa cuánto me cobra no doña que a little virgin in my house how much does it cost me? No, lady, what happened? Well, one is here more street, there I recommend another friend there to paint it, but I like it more

like that as the graffiti of bomba and here. Yes, yes, yes, where did you learn to do graffiti? It was good, not like you go to a school, I don't know if it exists, you learn it on the street, right? But seeing that you go by and say, look at those cool letters, what does it say? Do you replicate that same letter? Now saying, typography, that's how it is. No, bro, it's just that as time goes by, you get more practice and the typography, as time goes by, your graffiti evolves and you can invent your own logo

and that's what I did, I created my own logo, my own tagger I don't copy anyone, I just took my tag and I paint it daily or whenever I can And in graffiti there are no rules, there are no spelling rules, you can do it with a Z As you want And the thing is to combine capital letters with lowercase? Yes, I think it looks cooler. I say, if it looks cooler with a lowercase and a capital letter,

another lowercase and a capital letter, if it looks good, it stays. Like who says, in graffiti there are no rules of what is lowercase or uppercase, nothing like that. But if a person that you have scratched, Debor, who is this Debor that I see everywhere in the neighborhood, they realize that you are that guy with the clothes and the cap. Does the police apply to that too, or do they just paint you like that guy with the clothes and the hat do you get the police to put you in jail or do you just get painted like that?

well, the truth is, bro it's like everything if there's someone that you scratched their beard and they sue you, you have to give them the face but when you paint like that and the law takes you, you get 48 hours just 48 hours? you don't go out to paint bars.

No, bro, there's no such thing as we're going to put you in an administrative fault and on top of that, you're going to go and spill so many bars, girl.

No, because in Baja California, for example, if they caught you scratching the high posts, they could paint all the high Altos of the neighborhood.

And suddenly, well, I don't know how the graffiti thing is right now, you say that maybe it is very expensive right now, but in the 2000s, it was graffiti artist, it's the equivalent of being an influencer. Yes, yes. Because you go out on the streets and you look a lot, because a lot of people ask, why Ryan?

Well, Ryan, well, to...

To show society that we're here. Yes, yes, well, for that same reason, and apart from that, the kids say, oh look who invented Devor, Devor, yes, yes. Yes, no, in fact... and I was like, who is this guy? Devor? Devor? Yeah, yeah He's standing all over Leon In fact since I started making content

I started putting 2 or 3 graffiti artists on top I don't know, I don't know what they have in their heads but they leave me bad vibes but I honestly don't even listen to them

In this shit there's a lot of envy, the graffiti artists are like, fighting that this should not be commercial and so on, you understand me. They are very purists, but the truth is when you are really hungry, you do whatever it is to eat. Well, I was telling you about the graffiti issue, that was the roll, what I was telling you about the 2000s that was like a plague so to speak, then even the ministries had photos of the graffiti artists Oh yeah I mean, books

and then look, Devor, look, Rayo de Aqui, Rayo de Aqui Rayo de Aqui, they already had you identified spectacularly of all the pictures

it's like you were a drug dealer

Oh, man

I mean, there was a lot of time put into it

a folder, they already put you Alcere

Yeah

Oh, it's awesome

Yeah, but I imagine that now the police are more busy with other types of crimes, right?

Yeah, well, now, like I said, you just go to Cannes and they catch you painting graffiti and after 48 hours they take you out of there. We don't want you here. I've talked to a lot of graffiti artists who are 30 years old, they're young, they're adults graffitiing because they already do it. And they all say the same thing, they say, I started in graffiti because I liked a girl,

to have more fame, that, ah, look, it's that guy, right? In those days, I don't know if nowadays they do something similar. Well, the truth is, I never painted like that for... For that matter.

No, for the girls.

Yeah, man.

I've been doing it for a long time.

I'm not going to lie to you. I've done graffiti for girls.

In the last page of the book.

Look, girl at your name. No, on the wall. Like in the movie? Yes, like in the movie. Amar te duele? Yes, I got there and put his name on the cover. Then I took her and look at her. Here is her father.

And what happened? She fell in love. You know. It was cool. We went to see each other. You Well, very cool We went to... You know, Guzgril You don't have to...

And also, you make videos You can see your hands and everything The style of the graffiti artists That go to the point of scratching the buses

Those are meters, right?

The city's meters And suddenly you start watching those videos Of how 6 guys make a fucking video oh yeah I've seen that no man actually

I do like it if I consume the graffiti content and it's really cool you can feel a really good adrenaline I've seen that it even comes out in the news and in the newspaper

all that shit

that graffiti artists

painted the subway ah, man but it's also a problem when you're a content creator and you make a degenerate imagine, it's easier for the law to stop you than for them to find you

they find you, they find you, they find you at the police station.

In your case, is that why you use a handkerchief?

You could say that, and it's also part of me, it's like it became part of my personality.

Of the Devor?

Of the Devor. But if people, I mean, when you're on the street, you're always with a handkerchief? Well, in my neighborhood, in Guanajuato, people already know me without a handkerchief. They take a picture, and they say, hey Devor, take a picture. I give them their picture and they're very happy. But when I bring my handkerchief, they know I'll put it on and they'll be happy. But when I don't bring my hand, so you know I put it on and I take a picture and you know I like it But when I don't have a cloth, I also take a picture

So you do have pictures of Devor without a cloth? Well, yes But you haven't posted your real identity No, I don't show my face, I cover it Oh, so you don't take the picture No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no current and he puts his hand on his face like this, bro and he did it like this, bro and boom, he hit him like this, bro

and oh my god, I trolled the dude, bro and oh my god, what a dude, you know and from there he learned that, bro and from there he was applying it to all his other friends Oh, that's good People, make a videos and do the TikTok

and go like, pa, a hand, pa

Yeah, bro

It's just that, all of a sudden, you grab them like this, in a curve, people so, no, you don't know not even why I'm telling you, you know? Like me, I told him, no, that that if I measure your hand more than your face, you have cancer

but the guy thought it was true or I don't know and I threw his... I've always been like that, bro like very random, like suddenly things come to me and the same with the videos, dude I don't have a need to be acting, that's how I am

Simon, I don't know if you can tell your age

I'm 26 26 years old. 15 years of being a graffiti artist. And you know graffiti artists older than you? Yes.

How old are they?

Well, they're old, 35. 40.

Yes.

And that's what a lot of people don't believe me. You see them and go, oh look, they're spectacular.

And they're still painting. And you can't imagine a 15 year old kid. They're already grown up. They're already 40 years old. They're already men, they have a family, they have to maintain the house,

and they go out anyway. In the day they're men, and at night they're just plain old guys. And they go out to paint.

What do you think about that?

At that age and doing that? I say that my knees are going to break.

You see it, you are 26 years old, I don't know if maybe you consider yourself old,

do you consider yourself still young to continue? Well, I consider myself that I'm still living. I'm like at the point where I say, no, I have to paint, I have to paint and then I would like to keep painting but more relaxed at a less aggressive pace because now I go out, I leave 2-3, then I go to another city, 2 or 3, and I'm just going through it Although sometimes, as I told you, my camera turns off and I don't have anything to record

And the content is just on the street And when you post the signature, do you encircle people or do you tag people? No, I've never liked it, to be honest.

For those who don't know, in the world of graffiti, if you get tagged,

With all due respect. You put your name on top of another name.

Or if you just make a line,

It's just that in graffiti...

They've killed people for more than that, I don't believe it, but...

It's just that in graffiti there are unwritten rules Like if I'm going to come and throw a bomb And I want to throw a bomb Well, the bomb is something better than a scratch And well, a bomb kills a tiger bro And well, no bro, I've never I've never hit someone like that

I don't like it I feel like It's not good I don't want to be treated the same way I would be treated there But have they treated you well?

Yes, a lot I'm not saying that In the city 2 or 3 graffiti artists They're just cool And suddenly my graffiti is all over the place. But it's part of it.

I just go and fix it and that's it.

Yeah, but, I mean, scratching in another neighborhood, that's not yours, but without getting in trouble,

can cause a problem. Well, in my case, no, because I go and paint and even the guys from there come close and ask me for the photo and that way they know me and they talk to me cool, right?

Yes, man. Hey, what I told you about water, then you say no, water zero.

Nah, I do drink water, but only once in a while

How much beer do you drink?

Everyday Everyday? I drink a lot of beer I have a couple of beers at home I have 2 or 3 You're a big guy

I'm not going to brag that I'm an alcoholic, but I like to enjoy its flavor every time I drink a Caguamita. I feel like that. It's really good. And then when I'm drinking my Caguamita, I suddenly say, oh, how delicious. And suddenly I remember my morrita. And everything starts to mix.

And I'm like, oh, life is so good. Like the video you did with 300 bucks. You bought a baby doll. How was that day? It was crazy, man. And then you didn't see that I liked that baby doll.

Because I didn't need to take it off That mother had it in her...

The little hole

Yeah, there, hard and you get hotter

How long have you been with your girlfriend?

I've had a good time Really? How long? Like 6 years No, it's a lot younger Yeah, really And no, I'm really good with her I like being with her

Because She's the one Who processes

Yeah And do you think you're doing better with social media?

I have to eat, Gus

And you have a truck, right?

Truck, dog No,, make me a good one No, but when you went to the laundry, you put it in a pickup No, man, they made me the flute Yes? Yes, I got there and they gave me the laundry and the man told me Let's take it, I have the money, kid

I said, really? And he said yes, put it in And he knew you? I'm a little seesaw. Yeah, I'm a little see-saw. He said, I'm your follower. And we uploaded the picture. But how did he know he was your follower? How did he know?

Well, he realized that he's a worker at the place where they sell the washing machines. And he said, I follow you on your social media, Devor. He said, I also watch your videos. I said, really? He said, yes. videos my house. So you're saying that you already have your family?

Your wife? You're going to have a baby?

No man, Gus Gris. No, not yet. First, you have to do something in life. You have to have what it takes to live, Gus Gris. That you don't lack anything. Honestly. And then

Now I'll do it Come on

What do you think about bringing your kids to this world? Having something safe

I'm not going to generalize Or anything like that But I I feel like it would be cool if my kids didn't miss what I missed.

Yeah.

But, well, everyone. I, well, what do I do, bro? I'm no one to judge people. If everyone likes to be there throwing the babies wherever they want to throw them Oh yeah, yeah

So, again, talking about the Chavez thing Have you ever been in a center or something like that? I heard an anecdote about that

Yeah, bro, when I was younger

How old?

I was like 15 years old Oh, you were a kid, I thought you were still young No, I was already very young What did you do? I used to go to the club and play Mary Jane So you started drinking from 15?

Yes, I was already a big guy And always at the same pace? Before it was only on weekends And I was drinking everyday? Yes, a few beers daily Just to kill the worms

3 or 4 a day? Nah, 1 or 2 Just for the food 1 or 2 a day and you're a social drinker Nah, chill Yeah, just to be happy

On the weekends I get more drunk On the weekends, when I'm painting I like to paint and then drink I get more drunk on the weekends when I'm painting I like to paint and then go to bed and when I get drunk I go home to sleep

and does your wife bring you a drink? well, the truth is no, she doesn't she knows I like her. Like her too? She doesn't like me that much.

She's more of a chill person. She's cooler that way, Gus Gris. She takes care of me. What do you think of your girlfriend? Is she your wife now? She's my girlfriend.

What do you think of her? Do you love her? Yes, I love her. She's my little girl. My little wolf.

Ok, we were talking about the center. Why did they put you in?

Oh, no, bro. As I was telling you, I started putting Mary Jane in when I was a little boy. And my mom got mad because I didn't want to leave her and she lied to me she said, no, we're going to take you to the annex like the annex is around my house and she took me

she said it was just for a chat

that they were just going to give me a chat He took me to a place and told me it was just for a few chats

That they were just going to give me a chat And I was like, ok, they are just going to want to treat me and let me go So we went And I went into the room And I heard everyone chatting in the audience And suddenly they told me come on, give your talk

and I didn't know what to say I was like, go ahead, I don't know drugs, I'm still here and I didn't know what was going to happen and suddenly I finished my talk and I told them I wanted to go home and I told him, I want to go home

he said, no you are not going home you are going to stay here for 6 months your mom said

I told him, no bro

what do you mean 6 months? I'm leaving no you are going to stay for 6 months ok bro I wanted to escape and I couldn't because there were a lot of people at the door

They grabbed me, tied me up and I stayed there calm And again they started trusting me and let me go And I told them, no bro, let me go, I'm not going to escape, I promise you, I'm not going to stay for 6 months and as soon as everyone left, there was only one man at the door he was loud, and I asked him, what time is it? he said, I don't remember what time it is

it's this time. And the man took out his cell phone to look at it. And in what he neglected, I threw it a little bit and I went to open the door and I left, man. Running from Encorto. The man warned everyone and they were chasing me, man, to my house. Arriving at my house, it was closed and I, well, I arrived at En and I was locked up And I got to the store Playing the machine

I was like, open up mom, open up mom And my mom was like, what happened? And I was like, what happened mom? Why are you lying to me? They left me at the door And I was like, no, the door opened

I went in And I locked the door Before they came And the guys came And they started to kick the door before they came and the guys came and they also started kicking the door and they told my mom to get me out so they could take me to the annex and my mom told them, nah, leave him, he's going to change and I stayed in my

house, but if I change, I don't really, I don't do drugs anymore, I'm not doing it anymore, just pure pistol

Oh well

And you say, there's going to be Devor for a while

I think so, bro Why? First God, because I still have 2 or 3 videos in mind that I think people might like

Yeah, you make videos of something that can be something x but you do it

entertaining since I grabbed a bike and I had it and so it was very cool I have it saved, that one did not sell or anything because I also made another video of another bike that I bought in facebook marketplace and well that one I really did sell it, I left it in the easy loan for a thousand bucks and I sold that one, I left it at the easy loan for 1000 bucks and I didn't take it out, they put it up for sale and I would go by and look at it for sale

and they took it away, you know who would buy it? I say that for Reyes they bought it from a kid and do you edit the videos? everything And you edit the videos? Everything From the one I saw, from TikTok, Youtube, thumbnails, you take care of everything 100% Yes bro, I do everything There's no one that helps me

I feel that Well It would be cool to have someone else help me But at the same time it wouldn't be cool because I would lose all the essence Yes, because you wouldn't delegate that, because you would say, no, I'm not going to edit it like this and the editor doesn't understand me And then I tell him, no, I'll do it, bro

There was actually a person who started making me the thumbnails, he made me two And the third one, he didn't do it for the money, because I would pay him He didn't do it because the thumbnail would look cool, but because I would pay him for the thumbnail yes, the point is that you do it so you can say, ah look, it looks cool, that it has views the video, because you know that a thumbnail is 50% of the video, and the title, and the titles you also take care of that, of everything, I tell you from, from recording the videos, editing them, adding the voices, because it's all in a format.

And, well, I just do it.

And where did you learn?

You know, bro, suddenly I started making videos and this app, download you download it watch a tutorial on youtube ah, you also upload youtube videos on your phone? youtube videos everything I just have my phone and my camera

so you just put them on your phone and I do everything I don't get so involved that a computer, I can do everything fast, that everything comes out organic Oh well, no bro. Hey bro, I want to thank you for the time you took to talk to us about your life, Devor's life Now you continue your entrepreneurship of the drippers

Yes bro, in fact I was going to bring you a slider, but... ...well, I was late.

Don't even tell me, because I'm going to scratch your truck.

Ah, no, no, the plane. The plane. A bus... No, I was going to put Grifo 13. Grifo 13. I was going to put Grifo 13. They'd take it out of the skin. That's what I'd do when I'd scratch. Yeah, I'd look at you, dog.

Yeah, man. Then they'd invite me to scratch.

Just to see if they wouldn't

paint me with a beard. In fact, there are graffiti artists that even the police, when they catch them, they paint their faces. Even their buttocks. Police?

Yeah, in Mexico they call it a lesion but the asses

because you see the saying

scratch your ass

so as my mom used to say that's what my mom used to say scratch your ass

and when the lady comes out hey! are you scratching her?

do you run at her? in fact, once a lady came a me, I was painting and she came to tell me that I was drawing pure devils I told her, no, what devil? I told her, no, nothing to do with it

No, yes, look, devils I told her, no, I'm really going to leave something very nice and then the lady said, no, don't paint anymore I stopped painting and she left bonito y pues ya la doña como que dijo no ya no pinte y dejé de pintar y se fue ya después carnal regresó la regreso regresé otra vez a pintar y ya cuando estaba volviendo a pintar casi acababa que llegó otra vez la que llegó otra vez la doñita y no pues se me armó carnal le habló a la ley no pues en corto the lady and no, I got angry, I spoke to the law, no, I got cut off, I ran away, I said no, I'm done, but no, how am I going to be drawing Diablo? that you haven't seen or that you've seen but you've heard of his videos

but physically you haven't seen him because he's only on your hands his most viral videos are only on your hands and your very peculiar voice of I came with 5 bucks or 100 bucks and it's good that you help people, I appreciate it and well my people, you've been here with our friend El Devor, we'll leave his social media

and buy his stuff.

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