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Hello friends, welcome to your program Forensic Stories, one of the capsules designed to inform people of situations that are unfortunately alarming. We are in Forensics News with the teacher Vilma Naranjo. Teacher welcome. Very well, how are you? Well, nice to greet you, I see that they sent you many gifts. Yes, I saw, so I think today is the day of the wise men, I think it is nice to receive at any age a gift and more when they come from people as beautiful as those who follow us. Yes, and above

all tell people that we start the year with a lot of work, a lot of health, especially health. And may you join us in this new year 2026. And what do you have here on the table? Ah, well, we saw a news that is already public domain.

No, but this.

Ah, it's that this duckling was sent to you. There is a friend there at the book fair. They sent it to you. And that doll that I also see. Ah, is that right now we are going to explain what we come to talk about, yes, that's why we have a cart and a doll. Well, before I would like to tell you that the magic kings visited you, or rather they went to my house to leave you a gift, ok

and this is for you, I say before starting with this so painful, look how beautiful, so you can see what the wise I know, I know. Thank you very much. Look at what Omesis gave me. Thank you very much. I said black as you like.

Yes, yes, yes.

And when I saw it I said this is Jorge's. Thank you, thank you. So there I better thank the magic kings. Thank you to the magic kings. They agreed. Thank you to the new kings. Well, I think we're going to touch on a topic that the other day I was watching a channel that Vicente Garrido, the Spanish psychologist and criminologist, was invited and they asked him two questions that were very interesting. y le hicieron dos preguntas que se me hicieron bien interesantes. La primera, le preguntaron si creía en en Dios tal cual y él contesta pues que tiene ciertos pensamientos pero que cree en un ser

superior. Y le pregunta el entrevistador que si tuviera de frente a Dios y le pudiera hacer dos And the interviewer asks him, if he had God in front of him and he could ask him two questions, which would they be? The first answer was, why do we feel fear? And the second was, why do we feel guilt? I think it goes a long way with what we are going to talk about. culpa que creo que va mucho con lo que vamos a platicar y la segunda pregunta fue perdón la segunda respuesta de Vicente Garrido es que le preguntaría a dios porque siempre ganan los malos

que buena pregunta a mí me voló la cabeza cuando escuch I heard Vicente Garrido, one of the best Criminologists of this era, say that the bad guys win. And it seemed Jorge that it is true. Yesterday? I was blown away by the chompeta, as Dr. Alexis Carbajal says, I send you a greeting, a forensic colleague, because he says this word chompeta in the head, something that made me now that my brain was planted was the question that you, well the narrative of Dr. Vicente Garrido, because yesterday with a colleague Alan from the file area of ​​a job, he told me how you saw what

we are going to talk about right now, a little ahead of the gentleman on the motorcycle, Mr. Roberto, yes exactly and I tell him he was very critical and he tells me that they left the vehicle abandoned I'm going to say it with a lot of respect because we are going to analyze the criminological issue but I did tell him, look, if I, thank God I can't say it, but if I were in that situation what I would have done less would be to leave the vehicle and I started talking to him and with the basis of saying look it would be this, like this, like this, like this so that the authority does not find you

and then he stayed with his eyes almost disorbited and he told me how different is the brain that thinks badly to always go avoiding the law and justice

and the characters that enter this rusty gear and he tells me, hey, it's true you're right about how to even hide the vehicle because he, I mean, in a farce he said it I'm going to say it in quotes it it was not my phrase, it was from this friend, he says I would throw the car into the river of remedies, I would tell him, they will catch you faster, because there are witnesses, there are cameras, because he is throwing his vehicle into the river, because it is not a lake, it is a river that is full of garbage and possibly does not even sink. Exactly. Look at the difference between your brain and mine.

Mine sees a lot of evil and learned to see, like Vicente Garrido, like the great criminologist doctor, he began to see and understand evil. And he has, teacher, to think beyond the bad guys to be able to catch them. It is the phrase that we have to be the predator of the predator. So, look at how, right now, you say this affirmation of Dr. Vicente, so masterful, because the bad brain,

the evil, always goes beyond the normal. That is why, once, quoting this phrase, in a course that I tell you was terrible, of masculinities and the Bad Bunny effect, I did not like how he gave the class to the teacher and then I tell him I started to see everyone ecstatic because but I saw them in a bubble and it was in this curse phrase that I said that is the next one, this is phrase of olivares, they are too many sheep for the hungry wolves. It is a phrase from a psychopath.

Too many sheep for the hungry wolves. Too many prey. So what is this translated in an easier way to understand? The following. easy to understand, the following, there are so many susceptible and vulnerable people for each predator, serial killer or psychopath. When I say this is a preview of the book that we are writing.

That we are going to finish it.

Yes, yes know. One of the things I was writing is that it seems that the victims and these predators at the moment they are born, they are forging a personality, a temperament, a life story to meet. But each of them needs the elements of the other to then temperamento una historia de vida para reunirse pero cada uno de ellos necesita los elementos del otro para entonces estar en esta cita mortal y cuando piensas en la maldad y tú lo has dicho muchas veces y sé que ha sido criticado por decir que el humano es malo And I know that you have been criticized for saying that humans are bad by nature.

And it's true, Jorge.

Yes.

And this is the story that happened on January 3rd, in Iztapalapa, with a man, and please, I ask you to listen to what I want to say when I say any man, because it could be you, me, anyone. Yes, yes, yes. in the crossroads of the East and South Hexagons. Suddenly, there are cameras showing that the man, Roberto, as he's called, is going to try to join

when this blue Honda arrives. Today, it is known that it is Honda Azul, hoy se sabe que viene conducido por una mujer de nombre Gabriela y ella de pronto pareciera que el golpe da como un tipo de la dirección del auto hacia la motocicleta y en ese momento cae la motocicleta y qué es lo towards the motorcycle and at that moment the motorcycle falls and what happens? That you ask is very interesting because we are going to talk quickly with this doll. I know that a

I don't remember who says this phrase I'm going to say it in quotes, it's not mine or anything, it's not to offend, but we have a follower who is always putting a lot of hate on us. And I think it was my student of that year, because when I started teaching I used a cart and a doll, why? Because still the slides to find the mechanics of transit events was very difficult, very complicated, I was a resident of the specialty and in a video it says there that I looked ridiculous putting a cart with a doll, but friend do not worry, look, I brought it back so that you can put us back, please, it looks ridiculous, and we have to all the people opinion. And that you learn. Yes, yes. It is that sometimes there are people who have to

tell them with pears and apples. Yes, exactly, then, well, excuse me for bringing this doll so that again you put me there, I'm very ridiculous. So look teacher, there is a very good Argentine book called pedestrian clothing, everyone we imagine that in the phases, first we are going to talk about the run-up on pedestrians, and then in the fact of traffic on motorcycle against vehicle. Because it is also important that people know that it is not the same, and especially motorcyclists.

I have biker friends, and right now I send a greeting to a friend who sent me his jacket, he gave it to me, I do not remember his name because I kept his jacket very well, I have it hanging and on one of his trips he sent to make a jacket, right now we talk about the characteristics of why these additions are important, but look, first of all, know that when we talk about pedestrians, we talk about typical and atypical run over. The typical has 4 phases. So, let's put the easiest phase.

The first phase is when the vehicle impacts the pedestrian. So, this is the first phase called impact when the vehicle comes at low speed comes the second phase called fall the pedestrian falls once it has fallen then comes the third phase which would be the crushing phase

and crushes it, if the vehicle is a large vehicle like a truck, well, it crushes it and follows but if it is a sports vehicle like a truck, well, it is crushed and followed. But if it is a sports vehicle, like the Honda that you are telling us, then comes the fourth phase, which is the drag phase, where the vehicle is taken to the body below. It has an explanation of why it is dragging it, which we say right now, but we advance that it is because of the helmet, as the helmet is bigger and covers the head, then the helmet gets stuck in the part of the chassis of the vehicle and that is why it is also

getting stuck and dragging, more than the vehicle is sporty and is more chaparrito than a vehicle or a truck for example. But now a question, if it makes a difference to bring a helmet to not have brought the body or this person, let's think anyone who has this problem, that it falls even there are people who walk and fall and get to pass a car. That would be my first question, what would be the difference between wearing a helmet and not? And two, are there blind spots? Yes, all vehicles have blind spots.

So you ask a great question for the following, it is not to tell you that for the helmet, no, no, no, but in this particular situation, in this particular case, the helmet gets stuck in the part of the vehicle and that is why the body ises and can get to drag but not as much as in this particular case and it was due to the helmet. Why? Because the helmet gets stuck. Most of the time the vehicle even when it passes under the body, sometimes what the body does by the attraction of the vehicle is that it turns and there it will produce characteristic fractures that we are going to talk about right now, but it can produce fractures exposed in extremities such as the femur or it even produces something called pelvis fracture, because the body rotates violently due to the weight of the vehicle and then there is a fracture, at the moment in which fracture as it already has less support because the bones were already fragmented, that is why the vehicle can also continue and no longer drag the body. But if you look at something in this terrible video, this person who drives is not zigzagging, it goes straight, if I had not had something that would have held it,

so the clothes were, the same helmet, at the moment it advances, I would have left the body behind, that's right, it keeps moving because of what you are saying, that it is stuck, that's right. Even in some exit or in some bump, which is very common in Mexico City, if the body would have been stuck there and the vehicle continues.

The problem is that the helmet, which is bigger, because it has to cover the head, it gets stuck, and that's why you drag it, because even if you realize, for example, right now we talk about mechanics,

but if it had been the other way around, that the legs would have been stuck, then the position of the body would be this or even like this, but if you notice, the vehicle looks very good as the legs go down, because the helmet is stuck in the part of the ... The chest goes over the pavement. Yes, and the helmet was very surely stuck in the part of the chassis and that is why the legs look like this. parte el pecho va sobre el pavimento. Si y el casco muy seguramente se atoró en la parte del chasis y por eso es que las piernitas se ven así.

Hemos visto muchos vídeos incluso de niños que pasa un automóvil encima de sus piernas y el niño se para, cuál es la o por qué sucede esto en el cuerpo de What is it or why does this happen in the body, if the blow or this weight is very fast, it does not injure so much, it is to shoot? Very good, very good, look, it is that the position of how the dressing and the armor also depends . I'm going to talk to you quickly. Let's go a little bit of martial arts training. If you have seen Muay Thai fighters, which is very common, the kick, it is taught to us that we have to hit with the anterior part of the tibia. If you have seen any video where the fighter blocks

or hits with the inner part, what do you think? The leg is the leg, yes, because the hardest part of the entire limb and bone is the front part, it is the one that supports the inner or lateral part, it will not support it, that is why now we return to the run-in, when the vehicle comes and impacts or even the driver realizes and brakes the vehicle when it starts to brake the trunk or the the face goes further down towards an inclination

because then the tires are frictioning and the moment it brakes the vehicle tilts the trunk that also causes us to have when impacting the pedestrian we are going to have the classic fracture of the legs, which is a very in the typical run-over we have a fracture and that is when the pedestrian can impact the chest depending on what speed he is driving. If we talk about a speed above 60 70 kilometers per hour in front, then what does the vehicle do? It passes and then lifts the pedestrian and here comes something worse because the pedestrian or impacts in the part of the exactly in the head in what is the bull with the angle of the mirror and here yes or yes the 99%

fractures the head and already fall dead injured or the other that is very fast impacts the same and look at the vehicle will impact 100 kilometers per hour in a mass of more than half a ton, that's why when we see how they impact them, the body flies and even makes several turns in the air due to the energy that the vehicle carries and here generally when it impacts falls upside down and the person dies that That's in typical run over. Typical run over is when one of the four phases is not present. So, for example, this is the classic example.

Now, the Argentine book mentions how many different types of run over there are or pedestrian wear. It may be that the vehicle passes and it is projected towards the rear of the vehicle, nothing else was the impact and the fall, it is a typical run-over, another that then comes at low speed, impacts it and hits the chest and there it was, impact and fall, it is a typical hit, there are only two of four phases, the other that is a vehicle

now if you lend me your duckling, this is the classic in trucks master, whether it is a three and a half or whether it is a large vehicle, a truck, which is what usually happens, it impacts, pulls and crushes it, it no longer drags it, because it is already a higher vehicle, now, it says quickly, that is, Tira y la plasta ya no lo arrastra porque porque ya es un vehículo más alto ahora Dice rápidamente o sea mientras más alto es el vehículo menos posibilidad de arrastre a exactamente los vehículos deportivos

Eso sí tienen mucha posibilidad de que arrastren el cuerpo porque están más bajos en su centro de gravedad por eso los deportivos son muy chaparritos para correr rápido por el centro de gravedad ahora in the body because they are lower in their center of gravity, that's why athletes are very short to run fast through the center of gravity. Now, look, forensic case, years ago, that's why I tell you that life every day you have to thank that we are alive because every day we have risk of dying teacher, look, abastos center, the father goes with his daughter,

and there is a big daughter because they are going to sell, they go in a van, and right now I mix them with motorcycles, because we are going to talk about the tragic situation, but that does not exempt from all the irresponsibility, it happened to you,

who was a victim of the mirrors, I have to let it pass, it stresses me a lot when they are behind and they start ... brakes is very different from how a vehicle of more than half a ton brakes, so even to incorporate to exceed it is a can because even though the motorcycle comes very far I have to wait for it to exceed me because for its vehicle that is more low weight and the engine is faster at that moment in the start it will reach me very fast. And that's where traffic accidents occur, because if

one already calculated that it is getting in and the other car that is, for example, at low speed, and I am going to join a higher speed lane, the motorcycle is coming and it is going to win me, and then if I have a speed, I can crash into the vehicle that I am overtaking. All for these friends who are not prudent. First of all, before continuing Yo estoy rebasando todo por estos cuates que no son prudentes en primer lugar antes de seguir continuando con el caso forense se les llama hechos de tránsito no son accidentes de la central de abas

entonces para irnos este metido en el tema es hechos de tránsito no accidente toda la gente si es que es accidente no es accidente un accidente es algo que se puede que no se puede prevenir el hecho de tránsito lo dice incluso los cursos No accident. All people say it's an accident. It's not an accident. An accident is something that can't be prevented. The fact of transit, even the courses of the general direction of transit

of the Secretariat of Civil Security are preventable. Now, the mother goes, I mean, the daughter goes with the father in the van, the truck is loaded,

and suddenly, classic also, because we do not have pedestrian culture, the person goes and they start to get into the bus station, then all the cars start to get in the way, these famous horses that accelerate and brake and accelerate and brake, and suddenly the Lord comes up with, no, I go first, I go first, I go first because I'm the priority.

And so, here it is important to think, that right now we are going to see it with this lady, I think you are a nurse, right? Yes, Gabriela. We should see how the dog says, they say, this friend of mine loved a phrase that says I do not know what bring the head to this person at the moment of the fact right now we talk about that psychological situation but hey goes to the pedestrian and says right now I pass because step then the van starts to accelerate starts to brake and in that

is accelerating and the pedestrian gets into it, they start start to argue, hey, what's wrong with you, son of such and such, I'm going to pass. The joke is not to make the master long, he gets angry with the van and says, well, take it off, well, I don't take it off. And then he wanted to scare him, he accelerates him, but the moment he wanted to brake, as he brings a load, imagine how much he likes a station wagon to weigh, half a ton, plus the load, a ton, for example, a ton, it shakes, so the moment he brakes, the ton of energy, for a simple physical reason, it will go, even though it brings the brakes it brings, he's going to move forward a little bit. So this guy, in his adrenaline, throws the van at him, but he does the caballito,

he brakes, and the moment he brakes, the van makes the movement to move forward a little bit. Despite the brakes, everyone we've braked in an unsteady way, the vehicle pulls us, we go forward, that is why people when they brake, they get hit in the front if they do not bring a seat belt, now imagine this guy puts on his forearms because he is scared, then he puts his forearms in to protect himself and the convoy with the tonnage just pushes him and throws him, the weight of the tonnage pushed him, hits his head and dies, and then one went to the pantheon and the other is

in jail for homicide, for a homicide for wanting to scare him, and then you say, what a terrible situation, no? So what I'm going with this, this was an atypical run-in, many colleagues when we were in the audience, because he was accused of what is the famous eventual pain, I knew it was wrong and I still did it. Also this woman, very surely when they catch her, they will nail her,

as the penalists say, eventually.

Of course.

Right now we are talking about the fact of transit. So, the doctors said, how could the head be fractured? Because the defense attorney along with his expert said, the skull was fractured, but they wanted to take the official expert

because they said that at no time did he hit the truck, the truck never hit him in the forehead, the man fell, but here what the official doctors did not see is that the man had the echimosis on his forearms, so he instinctively put his forearms in and that was so that he pushed him, fell and hit his head. So what I'm going with this, this was an atypical run-in. But is it still an run-in? Yes. Even if the car didn't come at speed? Yes, because as a car pushes it, an automotive vehicle, it is always going to be an obstacle, that's right, that's why even on motorcycles it is also

considered an obstacle because it is a vehicle. But, is that this is one of the cases that has taken away my sleep. Yes, when I saw it, it impacted me a lot. And as you say, we want to be Casos que me ha quitado el sueño Si yo también cuando lo vi me impacte mucho y Y como dices tú queremos ser bien respetuosos y aquí no venimos a justificar sino a dar razones A que tú nos ayudes explicando no explicando nos que es lo que sucede happening, and at a forensic level, but at a

criminalist level, at a criminological level, at a level, all these experts who have to be brought to the scene to be able to do all this investigation. But I want to start with a question. Right now we are going to talk, if you like, about the events of transit, of the injuries, and then we will go to the person who commits this act and those who are around him. This video also talks a lot about who we are. If there is a trail, as you say, where we already see a hematoma, are they considered injuries or burns? That's good, they are considered injuries, until we do not show the opposite, which is what I'm going to do. Once the person is moved to a morgue,

then the forensic will determine if the burns were made before death or were made post-mortem. Example, suppose as you say, the vehicle comes in your lane, which is also important, if it comes in your lane, that's why the driver didn't have to go, because in this case, ok, I already threw it, but you also have to see the position, and that's why it's called insurance, that's why they are invited to always have insurance,

now, why? Because if the motorcyclist, for example, let's put two examples, the vehicle comes well and the motorcyclist is incorporating, the motorcyclist is making a cut in the circulation, so if the motorcyclist impacts and you also have to see in the case of insurance, the dictator where the impact is, there going to determine who is the culprit, because

because there are also vehicles that have a blind spot, I in my logic I am looking forward, I do not drive all the time looking back through the mirrors, I am going forward, if the motorcyclist is stamped on the door, for example, it was already the responsibility of the motorcyclist's responsibility. That's going to be determined by a driver, a traffic expert. Example, but if the motorcyclist comes, now we turn it around, if the motorcyclist comes well on his lane, and the vehicle comes and impacts him and throws him, there is already the responsibility of the motorist.

Now, what you ask is very good. Once the doctor takes him to the morgue, there he will determine, because suppose he pulls it, and at the moment of pulling it, the skull fractures. We know very well as doctors that a skull fracture, with even exposure to encephalic mass,

is fatal in the next few seconds. If he continues to drag it, that already determines that it is post-mortem because they are no longer injuries and they are no longer alterations, for example in an audience they would ask me to see, expert, what was the cause of death? A head and brain trauma can you describe it better? Yes, because as a defender I would tell him, well, sorry, as a prosecutor I would tell him because it is a head and brain trauma, can I explain it better? Yes, of course, at the moment the skull is crushed, as we saw in the

corpse, there is a brain mass exposition and the fracture with the brain mass exposition and the brain injury, that is a brain-brain trauma. Ah, ok, I as a prosecutor would tell him, so that is So that's the cause of death. In your experience and with your knowledge, how long could this person have survived? As a doctor, I would say, it's a matter of seconds. Why? Because the crushing causes the brain to be acerated and the person dies in seconds. The burns that you describe as friction are pre-mortem or post-mortem? They are post-mortem because at the moment that he crushed him, he died and the burn is already producing post-mortem, because when he crushed him, he died and the burning is already producing post-mortem.

And apart, the coloring is no longer like a release of histamine when they are alive. So there would be to clarify this drag, what would be the legal implications between abandoning a living person or this question of taking a body in a wheelchair. That's a very nice question. Because we are going to put it as the law says. In Mexico City, not providing help after an accident

is considered a crime or an omission of assistance. What does this show? And here we are going to break it down a little.

A lot of people, and here we are going to break it down a little.

A lot of people, and now we are going to see later what you comment on the acting of the witnesses. But, for example, I run over someone. Devil's lawyer. Yes, for example, I go on a high speed rail at 3 in the morning and a thief or a thief crosses me. Because that's classic too, that suddenly there are drug dealers who cross and have been run over because I have done their autopsies. Or the other, a robbery. So there is my integrity in the case of the robbery and I leave.

I could even leave it on the scale. He was a mugger, he was going to kill me. There's nothing and I'm leaving. Someone, some good Samaritan would say, there are cameras, it's better if I go to report that he was going to mug me. I even saw the firearm. I speak to 911 and the police to come. But in this case, we already saw that the vehicle comes with the motorcycle and throws it away. And there he takes it, there is a question that says Article 341 of the Penal Code of Mexico City.

Each entity has its own criminal code and says, main sanction. And now we go to the aggravating ones. Abandonment of person. If the victim is in a serious situation of helplessness or due to the lack of help, the driver can and will face charges for abandonment of person

whose penalties are more severe, then they are aggravating. The fact that this person has not stopped and fled is a person's abandonment if he had left him there. Now, a painful homicide can come in because he knows very well that he is dragging him, he does not stop and he leaves.

Then there comes the pain. That is why it is very likely what a good question you ask, because most traffic accidents are guilty. You asked the question, because I was also very angry, always when I took a master class, I was very angry, because I told the teachers, hey, but if I'm driving a vehicle at 150 kilometers per hour and I go drunk and kill a family, well, you have to punish like a homicide that

killed five people and that I have all the responsibility because I knew that I was going at high speed and I was drunk and the teachers said, is that notice that it is not so much like that because, he said, why does he enter a guilty crime? Because a person who gets in a vehicle, we as lawyers, we are going to defend him in the sense of the following, when he is driving fast and drunk, he does not have the intention of killing Juan Pérez, for example, the owner of the Honda truck, it can happen, but he does not have the intention of killing that specific person, that's why it is considered guilty, but fortunately

it is not considered painful but guilty, but fortunately this part of the famous eventual pain comes, that here in the eventual pain the person who drags in this case the man on the motorcycle, she knew that there was a body that was being bitten and even so she continued knowing that she was dragging someone, that is considered as an eventual pain, she knew very well, she knew the consequences, she knew that she could kill him and here comes something that they are going to frame very nicely,

with all due respect I will say as a lawyer, that she was a nurse. Ah, that's what I was going for. It's not the same as me being a civilian to you as a doctor. Yes, all health personnel have a responsibility. Because she as a nurse knows very well what injuries she can have,

she knows perfectly well that due to the injuries she can lose her life, Ella como enfermera sabe muy bien que lesiones puede tener sabe perfectamente que por las lesiones puede perder la vida y aún así continúa manejando y arrastrando el cuerpo de esta persona por eso es que le van a clavar dolo eventual Es que de veras ayer no dormí pensando pero no si esto es un caso complicado también Cuando hace... Híjole, ya creo que van a ser 20 años, qué horror. El día de mi cumpleaños es justo un 29 de agosto, era un lunes. Yo estaba recién divorciada.

Y entonces mis amigas me dicen, te invitamos a cenar para que no estés triste y no estés solita. Y ahí va Bill Mazzella. Y entonces llegamos a un restaurante, que puedo decir el nombre porque ya ni existe, que se llamaba Friday.

Y entonces, recuerdo estar sentada. Era un lunes, había pocas pocas personas y de pronto veo pues obviamente hasta por formación de casa con un padre de ahora sí que de nacimiento me cría con un criminólogo, era siéntate, fíjate las entradas, no te pongas así, bueno entonces yo estaba sentada y yo procuro siempre sentarme de fix the entrances, don't get like this, well... So I was sitting and I always try to sit in front of an exit.

Ander, yes, it's me too.

And with something that is not... that my back is not so exposed. They are going to say, oh, how crazy they have become. Well, yes, but it guarantees things.

Yes.

And then I remember that there was a man who was working with his computer. I remember that there was a family, a father, a mother and two children who were having dinner. It was 7 or 8 at night, a Monday. I tell you, there were few people. And suddenly I turn around, I see a man who enters with a hoodie sweatshirt and I see that he has his backpack open in front. una sudadera de estas de capucha y veo que trae su mochila abierta de frente.

En cuanto lo vi, me acuerdo voltear con mis amigas y les dije, nos van a asaltar. Y sobre todo una volteó y, ay, Bill, mató siempre. Ya empezó y cuando estaba reclamando de por qué decía eso, ya teníamos la pistola aquí. Empezaron a entrar otros fulanos. se empezaron a ir a las mesas, te digo que eran pocas mesas, además de unas cinco mesas. Recuerdo que agarraron a los meseros que en ese restaurante en particular traían unas cangureras con

el dinero, como que ahí se iban metiendo los vouchers, the money, everything, and then they would deliver it to the box. They make it inked, they put a piece of paper on it, they start stealing everything from us. And I remember, you see how I'm fascinated by bags. Then the guy comes and tells us, if you give me everything, the wallet and the valuables, I won't take your belongings. y nos dice si me entregan todo, o sea la cartera y lo de valor, no me llevo sus pertenencias. Llega, yo voy a sacar la cartera y en eso me jala la bolsa. Y lo primero que hago es decirle, ah no, tú dijiste que si te entregamos las cosas no te llevabas mi bolsa, así que dámela.

Y se le empiezo a jalonear con lápiz. Y obviamente mis amigas estaban pálidas y I was like, give me my purse, and I started pulling at it. With the pencil. And... Obviously my friends were pale, and I was pulling at the purse. I think the guy said, this old lady is so crazy that she let go of my purse and didn't even take my wallet. What do I mean by what I'm talking about?

After they trained me, they told me, I ate with the lessons of do this, don't do this, I did everything opposite to what I should have done. If this young man who was assaulting me had been a beginner, I would have shot him. Because he would have gone, because he would have gotten just as nervous. Yes, or that he has a lot of courage, because it has happened. Of course. That, ah no, and it gives them a lot of courage, and even...

And they shoot you. Or they shoot you, or they put you in the face. And this is terrible because, I mean, they don't know because they are criminals. Or some do know, but they hit, and the moment they hit, maestra, they fracture the skull. I've had three people hit them with a machete and they kill them because they fractured their skull and the fractured part of the skull goes into the brain, compresses it and kills them. Imagine, then, everything that could have happened

honestly put at risk the same people I was with all to defend something that I'm telling my children all the time.

If you get robbed, give the car, give the... Todo por defender algo que todo el tiempo le estoy diciendo a mis hijos.

Si te asaltan, entrega el coche, entrega la, bueno, límpiaselos pa' que se lo lleven. Tú no pelees por nada. Y yo estaba peleando por una mugrosa bolsa. Pero no estaba peleando por la bolsa. Estaba peleando de alguna manera por mi supervivencia.

Aunque suene muy tonto. Y entonces pongo el caso de esta mujer. I'm going to justify what he did, but I want to find a reason why he did it. Because we're touching on a topic, we have a section called the psychopath's face, but this is not done by a psychopath. What can happen in someone's mind, that suddenly has this event, that possibly through the rearview mirror is seeing this staining that is remaining, and even so you disconnect, it is fear, it is that you must be a bad person, what is what

happens. Notice, it makes a very good question, for the following, I say inform people that right now we are opining a few hours after the news, because they are going to come out more investigations and we are doing hypothesis of a case of public domain we are not even looking at the research folder and nothing because because it can generate a turn, it can give a turn to the investigation and people will say

ah, you see what you said, no no no, we are giving it right now a few hours that the news came out, so we don't have much data but we are doing a criminological hypothesis, now when I saw Yuvi just came out on social media, a photo where his face comes and the way he gets out of the vehicle, he goes into his house, because he is covered by the intercoms, and they put in the part of the edition of the video, see this psychopath who does not even has expressions, well here is something very important we are not seeing the face of the person, we are seeing a fixed camera where in the distance you can see how it goes down and someone says, but it is that you see it, to see

wait for me, to determine if there is psychopathy or not, you have to do tests, psychological psychiatric, it is not the diagnosis of the good, of the truck, exactly, it's like if, ah, you have the kidneys wrong, why? Well, because he saw that here the black neck in the distance, no wait for me, that's not how it is, you have to do a diagnosis, you have to do tests. So, don't believe everything you see, because the fact that they put it there is that the face... Let's see, wait a minute. A diagnosis is not being done.

It would be wrong to do it. Yes, very adventurous. Adventurous, just with a fixed camera, with a bad image, because it starts almost at night, or I think it's night, and the face doesn't look good, so there's no such thing as a face psychology for... Oh, it's just like that? Because I didn't know yet that in the... And look at what I'm going to say, eh?

Because I do believe in profiling.

Yes, yes.

I do believe that there are certain features, certain aspects. Come on, certain features, yes.

Certain.

Yes. But that doesn't mean that you have a psychopathic face or a lawyer face. Exactly. That's not true. Yes. Look, something quick, so we don't get too far away, because people don't like us to get too far away. But something that I don't believe in the polygraph, even though we already had a polygraphist here, is because I got a lot of things that I don't do. And they even linked me, that I was a capo and that I directed a band of drug dealers. I just laughed and for laughing, the pen, it was worse. That's why I don't

believe in the pen, because the interpretations are interpretations. They are very fixed questions. Exactly. And for what they later told me, the penman did go overboard with me because he asked me about my job, that I was corrupt, blah blah, a lot of things to make me angry and he did it. So he practically had fun with me. Yes, he altered it, manipulated you. Go ahead. But I didn't know, so what I'm going to do is the following. type of stories on social networks without having a scientific source is

very terrible, so do not trust me there that this person is a psychopath because it is that the features of the face, wait, psychology of the face are features that can help, but it is not a definitive diagnosis. Now, I have three hypotheses teacher,. At the beginning, unfortunately, due to the insecurity, many of us thought that it was perhaps an assault. And with the fact that we are all fed up with assaults, that is why I will probably, here I will advance a little bit what you were going to comment on Why did they not stop the vehicle? Because when I saw it for the first time

I thought it was a robber Like many people think Maybe they saw this and did not stop Well, they did not stop the vehicle We will talk about this later It was the first minutes when one sees the news

initially now if it says my hypothesis was three or maybe if she was sleeping we are not justifying we are making a hypothesis giving a reasoning if we walk because things are not then she goes in her vehicle I think that everyone has happened to us and more those of us who are health professionals that we go out very tired, it has happened to me in the periphery that I have already slept and as it is a straight line and suddenly one comes doing this, the other day I was so tired that I was going to stamp against the containment bar in Tlalpan footwear, I was going like this that I even got scared and I got off and I had to throw water in my face, now first hypothesis, maybe he was scared and I got off and I had to throw water in my face. Now, first hypothesis, maybe

he was sleeping and never saw the vehicle, the motorcycle and he was scared. Second action, second hypothesis, the classic, maybe he was on the cell phone, because how many times have we seen people who go at high speed, I mean, with all due respect, if the motorcyclists who only go with two hands and sitting, go with the cell phone, I can't believe it, they even put the support, yes, but I have seen them texting and driving in the middle of the periphery, I even wanted to record them, now probably if he was going with the cell phone he did not see either. And the other, that if he maybe did not see because he was in the blind spot in the vehicle and the

motorcycle comes to him on the side and throws him, something comes that we know very well that right now you commented with Dr. Vicente Garrido. The question that he would have asked God, why are we afraid? Now, we are going to develop a little bit the question of fear. Our primitive brain, which we have always had, the primitive brain will be regulating fear, anger, flight, hunger and sex.

Those are some of the characteristics that our primitive brain handles. Now, in the case of fear, if you realize, all species, all species of animals, whether they are superior or inferior animals, we handle fear, our primitive brain. You put a little one with a very loud sound and the child will start crying or will want to escape. In the case of dogs or cats, why would you say, well, why is the cat 30 floors up and does not throw himself? It scares him. We have even seen lately ...

But is it precaution or fear?

It's fear, because our brain protects us with fear. Fear is a matter of protection. Of alertness. Of alertness, exactly. That's why we are afraid. But why does fear paralyze you? Because here it depends on the brain structure of each person.

There are people who can urinate with fear. They can pass out. They can laugh. I had a classmate who when she felt nervous she started laughing and the teachers scolded her more and then we all said is that I do not scold her because she is going to start laughing more and if she laughed more

but it was a fear behavior now in the sense that he throws it and starts dragging it is not justification is a hypothesis that maybe the fear made it start going faster and not stop. It happened to me, even with ... I was driving one day a very high-speed vehicle, three in the morning I left work at 3 in the morning and the famous crash-mounting was in fashion in Calzada de Tlalpan. So, in my logic, I said, if I put a candle in the car, it will be difficult for a crash-mounting to reach me, or I will realize that if it comes

very fast to reach me, it is following me and then I have to take another precaution. So, at 3 in the morning, Calzlalpan street, which is very long, the whole metro of Line 2, was coming at around 130 km per hour. There were no civic photos. So, I was coming, but I was wearing a mocha,

because I was going to realize if someone wanted to dress me up or anything, right? And there it goes... And suddenly, teacher, I see very well how out of nowhere they throw me a cardboard box from the platform where the subway is in this long lane

the containment bar that there are like little trees out of nowhere they throw me a box and then my brain blocked me so much that I let go of the steering wheel when I felt the impact on the box because I thought it was a person. So it impacts me and then I can hear how my body shouted, a scream that I had never heard in my life, unconscious. And I let go of the wheel I did this with my hands, when my prefrontal area again reacted, then I held the steering wheel with the tachycardia and continued to drive, and if through the mirror I saw the square box, it was an intention that I stop, but see how my instinct of preservation never stopped, but on the contrary he shouted, he released the wheel but

never stopped accelerating, so here in this case of the nurse if she saw that it was a person, notice what the brain can think, I already threw it, I already crushed it, I already killed it, so what do I have to do? run away, it's a hypothesis that we are talking about We are not justifying, it's just a hypothesis So that people don't get angry So that's why maybe she ran away

Because of fear This is a fact that I believe That to everyone, and I can say that to 100% of people We were unblocked by the worst fear we have Yes and I can say that 100% of people are not afraid anymore.

Yes.

Of being in a situation like this. Yes. Both as a victim and as someone who is causing this event. I think that

thinking about taking someone's life and taking it away in this way, I think El pensar en quitarle la vida a alguien y quitársela de esta manera yo creo que aquí hay muchísimos afectados. Está la familia de Roberto que ver un vídeo así, híjole, yo no sé cómo te puedes quitar eso de la mente por Dios. Pero también pienso en las televisoras y yo les digo y perdón porque lo I'm not going to lie, for God's sake. But I also think about the TV stations. And I tell them, and I'm sorry for what I'm going to say, but I don't like to say bad things, but since it's 2026,

since I don't like humans that much anymore, I'm going to say it, you have to have a little bit of a mother. And they go a little bit. I mean, we all saw the video in the first hours. Don't keep showing it like that. Because, you know what it's like to see your dad, your grandfather, your brother, your son.

And...

I don't know how they're going to take this psychological damage. They're not going to be able to take it. Never, right? No, this broke a whole family. Look, if we as a society, sorry what I'm going to say teacher, I'm going to do the yo-yo right now.

When I saw it, it disturbed me. I started to have tachycardia and I started to feel like... It seemed unreal. Yes, and when I started to see the bruise, I said no. I was watching the video, I started to see the bruise, I said no, I was watching the video, I started to see the bruise, you see it with other eyes. Yes, I said this guy is already dead, why? Because of the exposure of those

intestines, what I did, the assumption, the hypothesis, but then immediately came the question of the family, this damage that they see visually is a damage that will pass generations, for example the son, the grandson, the great-grandson and seeing this is an image that will never be erased in life, they will not be able to remove it, it is a complicated duel, it is a duel that they will never stop seeing. And every time you see or remember the grandfather, the father, the husband, whoever you like, this damn image will come to see how they were dragging him. It is impossible. The brain works very peculiarly. We can have a compliment that we forget in five minutes,

but they tell us a rudeness or that something hurt us, it will never be forgotten, there we bring it. So, seeing this terrible image, unfortunately broke this whole family. Now there is a witness of the whole event.

That these two people in this car are recording and it is seen that they are also calling 911. This video is so shocking that we can see the plates and the soles of the shoes

Yes

So I would assume that the distance between the car and this blue Honda is meters I mean, but meters, I don't think it's been two meters Or well, possibly more, I'm not judging, I just want to understand. Are you seeing this body that is being dragged? And you're like narrating? It's like, look, he's taking him.

I'm talking to the neighbor.

But his voice doesn't change.

It's like, look, he's taking him. I'm talking to the neighbor. But his voice doesn't change. It's like, look, he's taking him. I'm talking to the neighbor. the body that is being dragged and you are like narrating, it is that look, it is that it is taking him, I am talking to the neighbor, but his voice does not change, I am not saying that he is fine, he is not bad,

I am talking about what happened. What happens now in the brain? We are talking about her psychology, about what could have happened, but what happens in your psychology in this era of cell phone technology, where you are seeing this, you are recording and you do not act, you do not accelerate, you do not try to dress the car, you do not scream, you do not warn him, I have seen cars that have a dog tied up and people stop them, dress them up. Why doesn't that happen this time? Ah, that's a very good question.

Look, for people, maybe indirectly they did act because they were calling 911. But the question you ask is very good because you say, well, why if with a little animal, they dress them or the stop the movement of the vehicle because with a human not because here comes an explanation that maybe many that here the family in a newspaper said that he was not involved as if it had been a crime a criminal and here is what I go with our society, we are so fed up

of seeing so many robberies with motorcycles, unfortunately, that you every time you open social networks and all of us who have access to social networks we constantly see how there are guys on motorcycles that are already giving crystals, they approach, they take things out, or they come and execute. The first impression, when I saw the video, master, with all due respect, I was going to say, but that is the first impression, that maybe that is why this situation of rapid non-action is explained.

Many, I think, we it was an assaulter. So, since we are so fed up with seeing assaulters on motorcycles, that's why when... this is the explanation I can give, when they saw that they were dragging someone, they said, maybe they wanted to assault this vehicle, they dressed him up and now they are dragging him.

And then our head of justice, when I saw it, I said, they robbed someone and they are dragging the criminal. That's what one thinks in the first minutes. Jorge, but what you are saying, I understand what you are saying, but what you are saying is making me more panicked. Because then it means that even the sensitivity no longer exists.

And I'm seeing that in any way he's a human. Yes, but here comes the question that...

Ah, great!

And before continuing... I swear that even it made me... Like when you feel like it's going through you... Yes, yes, yes. It's that, look, and we say it with a lot of respect. We are not saying that Mr. Roberto is a criminal.

No, of course not. If he is explaining to us why, people probably didn't get it. The attitude. Now, we say it with hypothesis. Now, we are not making a direct statement. We are explaining why, maybe, in a high degree of probability or with certain hypotheses now because this shows remember the video I am going to put two

examples remember the video of when they get into that it was even a meme that came the not scooby but the van came and there are two rateros that classic one with a t-shirt like Pedro Infante and one of them says to the other there he comes and the other one says yes, what could go wrong? and they put 3 dollars later and they find

the two rateros without pants do you remember that one of them the van doesn't let him get out and then everyone goes and they hit him and hit him

and then they leave him lying down, well I'm going to ask you a question, if you want to answer it After knowing so many assaults in public transport and deaths caused by these criminals who get on with a knife and a gun What did you feel when you saw that the passengers

were hitting this rat? I'm a lawyer of the devil, forgive me.

Satisfaction.

Yes, we all feel satisfaction, exactly, because even the news, one that I admire and I see a lot, which is this ... there is one from a television station in the south.

Javier Yalvazo.

Yalvazo, I love it, I I love that man, he goes on a motorcycle, he is always saying about motorcycles, he even said it with a lot of courage, I always said prince, and this guy who was hitting the rat, he was saying it with a lot of courage and everyone said go finally because we even felt that we were the ones who were hitting him and he was scared now something uglier teacher, uglier

when we saw and learned of the case of the two little Fatimas if you had these guys, what would you feel? or see that they are hitting them? Chan would help them to continue hitting them. Now, why do I explain this to you? Because people say, yes, but it is not the case. Yes, yes, but we are just chewing it, as a commercial says.

We are chewing it. Now, why do I comment on these two cases? Because the citizenship has already seen so many motorcycle robberies They have seen and have been victims Exactly, we are not stigmatizing, we are saying a criminological question that is real Even me in particular, I see a motorcycle in a traffic light that is approaching

And I climb my windows That's why I even bring very thick anti-assault, so now what am I going to do? Probably these people when they see this situation, the first thing that maybe came to their mind was so much situation that we have had unfortunately as citizens of robberies that probably said this situation that, ah, well, that is someone who tried to steal you, that is why I try to explain it with the family that says, is that my family member is not

a criminal, like the first versions that were given, yes, because we are all so fed up that and when they saw this scene, many people thought about this situation. And as I told you, Masa, this really unblocked all possible fears. Because then you put yourself on the side of, and if that happened to me, no one would help me either? We saw it with the case, if you remember, terrible, in the little one in Colombia,

when they steal the vehicle, and the mother goes behind, and the mother goes behind, and the guys, they didn't stop, and they drag the girl. The same.

Yes, so, unfortunately, look, we are in such a critical situation, and I say this with a lot of sadness. I'm going to give a preamble, and we'll develop this phrase. I'm afraid, I repeat, I have many friends who are bikers. Many are irresponsible, and others are very responsible, but I in particular, I am afraid to cross the zebras because I know they don't stop, I know that they only reach some to half

stop and the traffic lights pass, if I go on the cycle path I know very well that one is going to invade, as we have seen in news that have run over dad and daughter because one enteredered the cycle lane. I know I have to turn, even though the street is in a sense, I have to turn to both sides because I know very well that motorcyclists or invade sidewalks or come in the opposite direction and also when I see a motorcycle I'm afraid because I think they're going to rob me. That's right. So in such a terrible crisis that we have in the present,

unfortunately teacher, I'm going to put these data. As a forensic, daily, daily, minimum, there is a motorcycle death or there is a death of a victim of a motorcycle rider daily imagine what that is

yes

we are talking about around 25-30 daily procedures for the number of deaths that there are, either natural or either for some accident, suicide but there is always one that is for motorcycle and another one is for motorcycle complications so, going back to this teacher

we are in a terrible omission of the traffic regulations that even though it is a precious thing to read it is not fulfilled because the police that are destined for the traffic regulations don't take action either. Because I've had to be standing in a public road to cross the street

and the motorcycle and the traffic pass by. You're not looking at your cell phone, you're looking to see who's carrying the foreign plates or not. And you say, hey, this is more important. And you have a motorcycle, well stop it. I don't know if in the first hours a demonstration was made of all these bikers. Many years ago there is a famous pizzeria of this game that gave you a 30 minute warranty

yes, 30 minutes, if not it's free and until a few months ago I found out because they were already passing I think it had been an hour and a half and they were not coming I was thinking, they gave me a flip-flop and when they arrive I tell them

hey, one, look how cold it is, and two, I'm not going to pay you, it's been half an hour, and he says, no, that doesn't exist anymore, it's been I don't know how long. Yes, no, it doesn't exist anymore.

I didn't know it didn't exist anymore. I was complaining to my mom. But you know, how many, And I'm telling you this because a friend of my daughter who worked as a delivery man, for being earning her time, didn't die, but is one of the members of Teleton today.

Okay?

How she suffered that bill, she was hurt, and the fact is that this young man, well, right now he must be about 30 years old, I think he was 15 or 16 when this happened. To Bo Dino y el caso es que este joven bueno ater tener como 30 años tenía que 15 16 cuando paso esto y en esta manifestación estaba viendo que había tanto bikers pero había muchos repartidores de estos de las

ver y que de todos estos Es que yo los veo como se vuelan los topes se dan vuelta en un pro y vida se regresan en sentido contrario es que yo los veo sano No, es que me lo estoy inventando. Es que todos los días hasta para venir al trabajo No, no lo sufro y estoy de que se va a caer este entre ellos mismos se están este peleando Hay un huequito bueno Jorge

ahora antes de que empezaron las vacaciones que estaba cerrado rio san joaquín Bueno a la entrada para de rio san joaquín Estoy en el segundo piso voy a hay una salida que siempre se llena y se para dos kilómetros antes Entonces yo siempre soy de las que me paro porque me da pánico I'm going to the second floor, there's an exit that always gets full and stops two kilometers before. So I'm always the one who stops because I panic that the cars arrive and get in. Imagine you accelerate a little bit and you crash it. And suddenly I was seeing that there was an alternate route,

and I was thinking, because there was a lot of traffic, and when I turned around, I saw that they were already moving forward, suddenly I came across one of these boxes, because it had gone up to the second floor, and I see the box and I brake. But if I haven't noticed one thing, what was that motorcycle doing up there? I don't know and two, how is it possible that it got in like that? So here is everyone's responsibility. Yes, yes, yes, and it is what we repeat again and I thank you for what you have commented because the day they made the demonstration many people did complain

in the comments where they said is that you are the ones who are causing the traffic accidents, unfortunately and yes true, it is not throwing dirt on anyone, nothing but you have to recognize things. We are all responsible. Same traffic regulations article 21 prohibits motorcycle drivers the following, there it goes, circulate with your motorcycle on the sidewalks. How many times have we seen motorcyclists on the sidewalks?

Number 2, circulate on exclusive bicycle paths. Tlalpan sidewalks, there they go all on sidewalks. Look, I haven't seen bicycles on Tlalpan sidewalks, more than one or two. I bet when they inaugurate it, it will be full of motorcyclists, there it goes, good, circulate by lanes confined to public transport, those every day that go there, of the metrobus they are always there, circulate between lanes, how many mirrors have

flown because they go between lanes, I have had to see even on the periphery how the complete lane is, ah no, they go between lanes, I say, well, why if the free lane is there, don't they get in the lane? No, it goes between lanes, there it goes. In fact, it stresses me a lot to have a motorcycle. It scares me a lot. Circulate through the central lanes on the controlled access roads, that is, smaller motorcycles at 250 cubic centimeters. Peripheral. get into the, as a friend of the guard said, the commander Pedro,

they get into the mortars, and there they go, and let me tell you, it gets worse, because now with the electric ones, that are just a nuisance and they are at a very low speed, you don't know the number of accidents, and then you don't know the number of accidents and you don't hear about them. So, the issue of hospitals is going to get worse.

Circulating in roads where there is a traffic light, for example, in school areas, it's terrible to see in elementary and kindergarten how the ones on motorcycles pass, in the opposite direction, on the benches, and they are children.

They climb them on the motorcycle and bring the child in the middle, without a helmet, without anything, but we are protecting him with the body. And then a car arrives and you see the child flying and then, oh, I swear to you, today I am feeling that I am shaking, because I also want to ask you something that has me Es que te juro que hasta, es que hoy estoy sintiendo que me tiembla, porque además te quiero ahora preguntar algo que me tiene, otra de las cosas que me dejaron sin dormir. Pasa esto, esto tan terrible que de verdad yo creo que todos sentimos el mismo miedo.

Llega esta mujer a su casa, baja, pone las intermitentes. Es muy rápido su actuar. Lo que a mí me dice, esos son conjeturas mías, que tuvo que haber llamado a su casa a decir, algo pasó, prepara, me tengo que ir. Porque en lo que ella llega y se vuelve a subir

y abandona el auto a escasas cuadras de donde ella vive. because she comes and goes back up and leaves the car a few blocks from where she lives.

That's right.

Okay?

What is going to be the responsibility of the family that is hiding her? Wow! The family is going to have problems too because they become accomplices. Now, I'm going to explain why very surely as you mentioned it, he called his house and his performance is very fast, it's not ... we say again, we are not doing witch hunt or anything

but it is health personnel, when you by the mirror rearview mirror, see the bruise You, as a health personnel,

You know

Forgive me for saying this, No matter how dumb you are at school, When you see the bruise, you know very well that this person has already been killed. So, she knew very well that she had deprived a person of their life. That's why her acting is extremely fast, because she already knew it was a homicide. She was already aware.

She was already aware that it was a homicide. And that aggravates. Yes, it is aggravating. She leaves with the family, they leave the car abandoned, they take the plates off and leave the trunk open. For what? Very likely to suppose or make the authority believe that they had stolen the vehicle exactly but look that's why we always tell those of us who

dedicate ourselves to this as Dr. Vicente Garrido says, even unfortunately the bad guys always win but the bad guys who are really bad, who are smart, very simple teacher, sorry for what I'm going to say, on the left side of the windshield between the chest and where the windshield comes on the board there is the serial number, with the serial number they track the owner of the vehicle it is not necessary that they remove the plate because look at the criminal logic a robber is not going to be waiting to remove the plate from the vehicle the robber who unloads takes a vehicle to such a place blocks the gps and

begins to unload in less than 12 hours. Why do they take the plate off the street? That's one. Another vehicle that has been used as a wall, as they call it, to kidnap, they are not going to be at that moment taking the plate off, because on the contrary, the report, look, son of a ... No, better not say it.

It is that if we get into the criminal question, but what we suppose the victim is going to file the complaint, the criminal who is going to kidnap has a time window where he can walk with a plate. And then it is easier for a policeman to stop him for not bringing a plate to get him the report of theft. So they kidnap the person, it serves as a wall to cross it, they change vehicles and they leave it there, they do not remove the plate.

The expertise that you can do teacher, this is very important, highly recommended, when it is a vehicle that is abandoned and the authority already knows through social networks that this vehicle is probably involved, what are they going to do? The expert in traffic facts...

Just wait.

Yes.

Because I need you to get mad at me. They find the car. Underneath the car there has to be a lot of evidence. Yes, that's what it was going to be. And then instead of arriving with a ramp, a platform, they lift it and it advances. No, because you did not see? No, that you did not see. They dragged it, they dragged it. That's what it was going to be. That's why I tell you, we need the right profile of the researchers too.

We talked about it with Dr. Eric Rauda, we send him a big hug. In the case of Paco Stanley, we even said it, he had to have taken a platform. And the same doctor said, well, at that time there were no platforms, but now there are, in 2026 there is, now, look, I take the vehicle because I have to have it in a safe area for my spirits, protected without so much contamination, now, I take it on a platform, precisely because the moment the vehicle is being dragged, it is going to release evidence, evidence is that it can't be that's why I say oh but well I left without saying that I wanted you to get mad at me is that I don't understand why

Why don't you have this?

It's a lot of the thought Jorge sorry because they don't care if you are going to be if I get mad sorry is that I knew it so I wanted to tell you You use

I don't want to suffer alone anymore. I'm becoming as bad as everyone else.

Look, the expert arrives, first of all he has to see where the impact was. He won't be able to erase that. So, if the motorcycle was thrown, for example, it was a Kawasaki brand, let's suppose, and it's painted white, it will have the principle of exchange and correspondence. It's going to be, apart from having the bump, which is altered, the bodywork, it's going to have the stain of the motorcycle paint, white for example. That's the first clue that the traffic expert is going to look for.

Now, I take the vehicle on a platform and now I have the obligation to lift it. Why? Because just below where the chassis comes from, I'm going to find evidence. If the body is going being in friction, as we saw in the news, I'm going to start observing that by the same friction I can have human remains. Hey, but I brought the helmet, yes, but what do you think? At the moment that it is dragging and goes with the hematic stain, it will start to splash the chassis of the vehicle.

And that's where I have to find somatic traces with even luminol and I can take samples of the blood of the coagulants to compare it, blood group and DNA with the victim

and there is no way that a good defender can see that. Of course. This vehicle of whose? Well, of so and so. What do you think? In your vehicle, below is the victim of the victim or positive or positive, DNA, DNA. Now, legally what would have happened

if she had not gone, that is, if she is dragging it, she is aware, she goes down and helps her. no se hubiera ido o sea si lo va arrastrando tiene conciencia se baja y lo auxilia ah eso es buenísima ahí entra muy seguramente la reparación del daño porque primero que nada entra el perito hechos de tránsito quien tuvo la culpa ok tuvo la culpa vamos a poner dos ejemplos en este caso tuvo la culpa el de la moto ok el de la moto en su ángulo de visión o punto fault we are going to put two examples in this case it was the fault of the motorcycle ok the motorcycle in its blind spot angle did not see it heard a blow saw that there was a motorcycle thrown she followed but meters ahead she realizes that someone is giving her a sign she stops she realizes

that there is someone there ok mark 911 he dials 911. The person most likely had life. So, there, the first attention is to take the injured to a hospital. In the hospital, what a medical doctor does is to make a provisional classification of injuries. If the person had only had a fracture, for example, of the leg, with which it impacted, then a procedure is carried out, the insurer says, look, we are going to see the medical exam, while you are in the hospital, the medical exam is done, what do you think? You were to blame,

we are going to make a reconciliation, repair the damage, I as an insurer or you with your insurance company, we are going to make an agreement and that's where the problem ends, that's where the problem would have come to. But is it applied as an attempt or not? No, because in this case, as all traffic accidents, or the vast majority, are classified as a crime that is guilty, it does not have the exact intention of causing a loss of life. And number two, if the motorcyclist had been to blame, the responsibility of the driver is disdained.

Ok, yes, I ran him over, but what do you think? It was because I didn't see him, because I was on my lane, he got hit when he wanted to beat me, but I stopped, I called 911 and I called the ambulance. As a nurse, I also made sure, look, I even saw how he was, I immediately saw the injury, I called the ambulance, I gave him to the ambulance, you know I'm a nurse, I didn't see him, he came to me, he impacted me, there is the blow in the back of the You know what? I was driving, the man hit me, I'm giving him first aid, the ambulance has arrived. That's very different from what I can assume, teacher. The moment he crushes him, son, out of respect for the family, I'm not going to say it, but there is a probability that maybe he was fine and in the drag maybe not anymore.

So there it changes a lot legally. Because I think that even, I don't know if it has happened to you, when a tire breaks, you want to move forward and the car itself does not allow it. Que quieres avanzar y el mismo auto no te lo permite Ahora con más razón teniendo un cuerpo el coche tuvo que haber estado Jalón, y incluso cuando usted se llega a atorar con una caja de plástico la caja No se frena el vehículo pero hace un ruido el casco hace un ruido Ahora

Como forense, okay If he hadn't brought a helmet it would have been easier to survive I think not because of the impact. Well, here are two things before answering It depends a lot on the speed If the vehicle was coming at a speed of 80 km, allowed on highways,

and the motorcycle was coming at that speed, at the moment the driver of the motorcycle falls, he would probably have had a serious craniofacial trauma, without a helmet. But here the helmet

took away a lot of the impact of the fall. So everything depends on the speed. If it came at a speed, for example, of 30 km and the car also at 30, very surely without the helmet it would have had some fracture of the arm, of the hand, because it is an incentive that we put our arms, the hands, and it would have been left with some blow that would have caused a concussion, De la mano porque insistentivo que nosotros metamos los brazos las manos y hubiera quedado con algún golpe que hubiera causado una contusión

Pero no perdida de la vida todo depende la velocidad entonces tú que les dirías o nos dirías porque me incluyo Si tenemos un hecho de tránsito como el que sucedió no con esta gravedad. Si tenemos un hecho donde hay un lesionado y donde yo voy conduciendo, ¿qué tengo que hacer? Y si cuando es un lesionado y aclararlo y no un hecho de un atentado contra de secuestro o de robo, porque aquí yo me incluyo, yo siempre lo he dicho cuando Dios no lo quiera me lleguen a querer secuestrar, yo me muero ahí. Yo me voy contra I always say that when God doesn't want me to kidnap him, I die there.

I go against everything. I don't let my family look for me. I'm going to fight so you don't take me. But you're going to have to kill me. And then to be released like Daniel Arizmendi. No, like the son of Lorena.

Isael, who is already free. Yes, that guy is free, but well. What do we have to do when, unfortunately, someone, being careless, touches us in a traffic accident? Or because of our carelessness,

driving a cell phone? The ideal is to stop, immediately provide help, call 911, and call our insurance. That's why it's important that the insurance has coverage against third parties. That is, and ask when we are hiring, hey, your hypothesis, if I run over someone, what does your insurance include?

Because the same insurance company sometimes tells you that insurance includes third-party damage or even in the event of a disaster or hurting someone for an accident gives what is the legal guarantee, that is, there is a lawyer. Exactly, so the ideal is this, let's see, I should not be scared, it is not the case of a crash, because we've seen motorbike crashes. Oh, yes, it's not your fault. That's why I say that people at first thought it was a situation like that.

But let's suppose it wasn't. That it was a situation where things happened out of carelessness. So I call my insurer, and the insurer will see, or even, OK, there's no good arrangement then let's go to a public ministry nothing happens they are laminated in the case of the injured first you have to tell this to friends and friends they cannot someone scare him that he is going to die

but first the injury has to be classified. What is this about classifying it? The legal doctor, that is, I did not reach an agreement, ok, the family is very reluctant and wants you to force a medical... Let's go to the public ministry. Or they want money.

Or they want money, ok, let's go to the public ministry. Do you want to do it via MP? Let's go to MP. What is the process here? First of all, we have to make the statement, both sides. Both the one who was run over and the one who ran over. These are the two statements for the Public Prosecutor's Office. Even though the insurance company is there,

the insurance company has to provide us with legal protection from the lawyer. The MP is going to say, I have to classify the injury. What is this? The doctor is going to go, say I have to classify the injury, what is this? The legislator goes and if it was serious, for example,

they have taken him to an ambulance, the public ministry will give the order to the doctor to go to that hospital and in that hospital based on the clinical file that the doctor who received them, for example, an emergency doctor, will say the legisl doctor, ok, he has a leg fracture, for example, he has a femur fracture, is it a closed fracture or an open fracture? Because the two change a lot. Ok, closed fracture, the medical doctor goes and tells the emergency doctor, hey, I'm a medical doctor, the public doctor sent me, here is my order, how do you see it? Did you see that it has a brain trauma?

I see that in the note there is only a fracture. No, there is only a fracture. Ok, then I classify. Generally, these injuries, as they are temporary, that is, they are not yet definitive, then the doctor will put, when it is a fracture,

it takes more than 30 days to heal, but less than 60. Here, due to the severity, the person who ran over can go to a prison for the severity, but since they are transit cases, and the lawyer tells the MMP, look, don't worry, this is guaranteed, this is a bail, attention is being given. Okay, so a preventive prison is not made, that does not exist for the one who ran over for that classification, ok, then once the time is passing,

example, 60 days have passed, 90 days, then there the public ministry, if a legal process has been made, in the end the judge, I will summarize everything, at the end the judge is going to tell a forensic doctor in Mexico City, sending an institution, saying I need this classification that at the beginning was provisional, you do the definitive. It's not because he's dead. No, it's not that he's dead. You do the definitive. They send a forensic doctor and then the forensic doctor reviews the entire file, asks for an orthopedic interview, if he is already hospitalized, if he is fine, then he sees it, evaluates it, how are you, ok?

And the forensic doctor issues a definitive classification. What can you put? From the injuries that Juan Pérez Pérez presented on January 30 and today that we are on June 6, his injury has healed, he has not left sequels, an injury that took more than 30, less than 60 days, currently healthy, then the judge will say, well, how much did you spend on everything that was Entonces ya el juez va a decir bueno cuánto te gastaste en todo lo que fue de médico Ok, entonces a ver tú vas a reparar el daño, pero no van a pisar un reclusorio Ok y ahora

Yo tengo este incidente lastimo a alguien Le presto ayuda que tanta ayuda le puedo prestar yo sin que juegue en mi contra. Eso es buenísima I lend him help. How much help can I lend him without him playing against me? That's great. If there is a serious example and you are a health personnel and you have a hemorrhage, you can at that moment ban the hemorrhage and always call 911. At that moment, paramedics arrive and identify me. You know I'm a nurse, Jorge Olivares. Unfortunately, the man was WhatsApping, he crossed, I dressed him, I stopped, I see that he has a hemorrhage from an exposed fracture in the right leg. I'm covering the hemorrhage,

stable vital signs. I'm giving it to you. I'm giving it to the patient because I'm delivering the patient because I'm giving him the first aid. At that moment, what's going to happen? They're going to present me as a detainee to the Public Prosecutor's Office. My insurer had to arrive. And I'm going to say, yes, I saw the man was on his cell phone. I stopped. I couldn't stop. It's a vehicle of more than half a ton that I'm carrying.

Because of the weight, which is generally what cars weigh. Yes, any car. half a ton that I bring for the weight that is generally what the cars weigh, I invested it, I lent the first aid, here I am, I bring my lawyer, he is going to say, ok, the expertise is going to be done, who had the responsibility, for example, was the motorcycle, ok, we are going to start a process, but I am not stepping on an inmate. But what if I do it and I estoy pisando un reclusorio. Pero si yo lo hago y yo no soy médico? Aquí siempre y cuando usted lo recomendable es que si usted ha tomado algún curso puede hacerlo. La pregunta es si no sé nada de medicina y está ahí atropellado y está

gritando tengo que llamar inmediatamente. No lo debo de tocar. Si no lo tiene que tocar porque... buenísima pregunta. Aquí los paramédicos cuando presten los auxilios If you don't have to touch it, why? Great question. Here, when paramedics provide assistance, if the person says that their neck or head hurts, or that they can't move their body, they have to immediately put them in a rigid collar and take them to a radiological center to remove fractures.

If they move it, here we are going to talk about the speed, if it was at high speed speed it can cause problems. Example, if a rib is fractured, that is not a linear fracture but a multifragmentary fracture, it remains like a knife and when you move it, the lung expands because of the pain of breathing fast. It can puncture the lung and do something called pneumothorax, it gets worse.

That's why it doesn't move, also here you have to say it teacher, I have had panchero motorcyclists, what is this? They just hit them a little bit, they fall and they are like ahhhhhh, I can't move, it's not true, ok, very good, recommendation for friends, I already invested in a panchero panchero, ok. No, que me voy, me siento muy mal, ok, no te preocupes, voy a llamar a la ambulancia. No, no, que yo aquí me arreglo, no. Ambulancia, llamo a mi seguro. No hay arreglos.

No hay arreglo. Te sientes mal, vamonos a un hospital. ¿Por qué? example, in the hospital of Joko, who arrives walking, Oh, it hurts me, ok, the doctor will tell the injured person, You know your elbow hurts a lot, you say you fell and your leg hurts, but you can walk, don't worry, go to the hospital of Joko, I give you this order so that they can attend you and take you on a plate,

and I invite you to the provisional classification. No, I have a guarantee. You go to the hospital because the doctor will work this file based on the notes of the hospitals of the health secretary of Mexico City. So that's why they send Rubén Leñero, Joco Hospital, because they are public.

Oh, what a strong topic! Joko porque son de son públicos hay pues que tema tan tan fuerte y tan si si si tan con tantas como dices esto apenas empieza si cuando se encuentre a la responsable pues ya ya veremos qué pasó así es paso en ella, que paso en los familiares, a la familia de Roberto, de verdad yo si lamento mucho lo sucedido y espero que se pueda tener algún tipo de apoyo terapeutico porque pues si, creo que le vienen meses muy complicados. Well, yes, I think they are going to have very complicated months. Yes, Master Félix, to say goodbye, on both sides, because the family of this person who ran over, is in a situation of uncertainty right now.

Yes, because they are going to do witch hunting with the family of this person. Because it is not only that person, but the whole family, that is the pointing out example, hey that the daughter of Don Panchito and at the time Don Panchito points out and he is the accomplice and they are already lynching him on social networks when the lord has nothing to do and this is unfortunate, the acts a person commits but also also the whole family is taken. So, terrible because

this is very personal, we probably do not know the original version well, why, because when the defender of this nurse enters, many times the defenders will try to square a statement that agrees with the least legal responsibility. She will say, well, I said you were very tired or that you had a sneeze attack. You fainted, yes. That you did not see, that is, we will not know the real version of her, of her.

We will know a version manipulated by a defender. Yes, according to someone who has less guilt. Exactly, so we will not really going to know the version, but she herself will know, because even the family can also lie to her The other situation, out of respect for the family of the person who lost his life we're not going to say how the trauma or cause of death happened

because a lot of people are going many people will say that I came to know how he died, but it is out of respect, out of respect because one as a forensic when he sees the mechanics of how this drag is going, one knows very well what happened, what he felt, what injuries were and why the bruise and all that but we are not going to say it out of respect, so as not to do a terrible damage to the family. In case, oh, I wanted to see, no, we are not going to say that.

And well, take care, please, if you bring a motorcycle, no longer be so reckless, because it is terrible to see how grandmothers, children, productive people have died because of motorcycle investment. And also friends who drive motorcycles, lower a little this anxiety that you want to drive fast because daily, daily, minimum, is a death of a motorcyclist for autopsy.

And the deaths that occur are pelvic fractures or skull fractures So please, don't drive like that anymore because you don't protect them at all I mean, look, I'll quickly comment The friend who sent me his jacket, which I thank him very much, it's a Harley-Davidson jacket

What a cool guy

It made a boom in my brain because of the following. The thickness of the jacket is impressive. And when I opened the box, because I thank you very much, I sent it to me in a box. I really appreciate this gesture so beautiful because he said I'm not going to use it anymore. I just put it on twice to make a trip to such a state and return, he even put me there, you should try what it feels like to drive on the road on a motorcycle,

it opens many expectations, many mental questions, and he says I'm not going to use it anymore, I give it to you as a symbol that you like motorcycles, then I open the sample box and I saw a lot of very thick plastic things like shoe soles and I said, what is this for? I even thought they were like this so that the jacket would not get dirty. I told you, what are these plastic things? But already reading the beautiful letter he put me, they are the protectors that the joints wear, yes, so they are like thick shoes, but obviously not shoes, but very thick,

so here I go with the conclusion, how many motorcyclists do not even bring that? No, it is that most of them that I see do not bring anything. So if this expert friend brings a very thick jacket with some very thick covers for the joints, which is ideal. As templates. Come on, as very thick templates. The question comes, why if this friend takes such good care, why are there people so careless that they don't even bring a helmet, right? We just left him there like that.

Well, yes. I think that yes, a minute not only for Roberto, but for all the victims who have lost their lives in these traffic accidents. And well, yes, I regret it a lot. Well, thank you very much, teacher. We are leaving with this minute of silence

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