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The 10-7 Eagles victory. Glass half full, defensive battle. Glass half empty, ugh. Jalen Hurts had a touchdown, lost a fumble. What do the Eagles prove last night?

They'll always be interesting. That's true. And they are kind of the perfect team for today's media ecosystem and the city in which they play. Because they'll always be, it feels like, some measure of controversy these days, typically courtesy of a replay of the Tush Bush where it's like, oh yeah, jumped again. There will all there will more often than not

be a little bit of lunacy. Like wait, Sirianni is doing what? I thought Troy Aikman might leave the booth to go have a stern talking to with Nick Sirianni when he decided to go for that fourth and six at the end of the game. There will, there's often some ominous stories, which is once, like, I thought I really enjoyed Troy and Joe. And it seems like they give us a little extra because because all the play-by-play duos get info

that they don't then share in those pre-production meetings. And when they were talking about talking with Jalen Hurts and asking about his relationship with AJ Brown, and then Joe just offers up, it's like, yeah, and I wish you could share

what he told you after that story.

Yeah, Joe went a little far. I bet Troy was like.

Exactly. But it's just see, you know, so it will always have all of these peaks and valleys and usually in a win. And so it's just, listen, if you guys remember after week one of the season, I was super down on the Eagles because I was like, ooh, that defense took a huge step back.

The defense has steadily improved. The additions clearly, most notably Phillips, mattered. And the defense more than carried the day. They are clearly an excellent team. They're the defending champs. They played a brutal schedule.

They're seven and two. But the offense is weird. And the A.J AJ Brown thing is more than weird. Yeah, it's inexplicable. So it's just who they're going to be. And I don't see I just think it's going to continue on this saga of more often than not they

find a way to win and you leave the game scratching your head like what a weird team and a weird game.

Yeah, to me they proved they are the team to beat in the NFC. Now, you might say, well, they're the defending champs, so of course. But I think they went out and showed they're the best team in the conference. And actually, I think they're the best team in the league.

Like, that was a great win. And you're right, the offense obviously left a lot to be desired. But defensively, they came out and you mentioned the new additions, Jalen Phillips, seven pressures. They had had trouble getting to quarterbacks

and now all of a sudden, last night they get three sacks, they had been averaging about two a game. So, you know, that's improved at least for a night. And Nolan Smith had a sack. Phillips forced this forced to fumble out Josh Jacobs late in the game. So defensively, like you said, Nick, they're starting to grow and then offensively, you're right. They're a little

bit strange, but I mean, it's more than a little strange, right? Well, I think I mean, look, you have games where you just it's not clicking and I know they have more. I don't think it'd be as talked about if AJ Brown wasn't doing his little antics. I honestly, if AJ Brown doesn't come out this week and say anything, they gonna move right on.

Like, I mean, we, I just, this is a good win. I think this is a good win. This shows your quarterback, who always seems, when he needs to make a play makes a play. He made the 36-yard touchdown pass to Devontae Smith. I mean he came through like I'm not, I'm sorry, I'm not down on this win at all for Philadelphia. They went into another playoff team, Super Bowl contender

something I think, going went into their house and beat them on their own turf We know it was a grudge match between the two teams. So it was ugly

It was hard fought but I'll take some of those. Okay, I'm the Jalen Hurts guy on the show And I'm the Drake May guy on the show One's a lot easier than the other right now, and I have a heart, I'm not gonna totally blame Jalen Hurts, although his numbers this game were not good and there's passes that are off target that are not necessarily Kevin Ptula's fault. But having AJ Brown have three targets, one of them being the final play of the game, which

was maybe an arm punt. I'm like trying to like, maybe if this gets intercepted, we don't hate it because it's at the one. No, but the Green Bay knows not to intercept it.

Right.

I know, but sometimes you just grab it and I don't know. No, it was an indefensible decision that was that I think Wilds was made because Sirianni was trying to be cute and have nip in the bud any potential AJ Brown stuff like Oh he tried to go to like well not only to win it but it was

It's like yeah you weren't featured but you won us the

That's the that was the Cowboys

And it's the only way Green Bay had a chance to steal it at the end. Like, Brew, someone rooting for Green Bay, you were thrilled they went for it.

Absolutely, but I don't think,

you think he did that to appease AJ Brown? I think he did it because I thought it was an ego move by Sirianni.

I can agree with that, but I mean, to me, that's not gonna appease AJ Brown.

No, I agree with you. But if he caught a touchdown to like ice the game and but the AJ Brown

stuff. The game he tweeted the using me but not use like nothing's gonna appease this at the end of the Cowboys game.

He could still be like I got three targets.

It was the same like he was like you know what he didn't get a lot but he got the most important one. That being said, again, am I a flag football championship winning coach? Yes. I'm going to say it again. Am I a flag football championship winning coach? Yes. You know, don't lay it at my feet.

I understand. But I do have some limits. But at the same time, Brew, it's how you were a great wide receiver.

We don't even know if you were great.

We made the state playoff. Yeah, you made the state playoff. But you know, you've got a wider series mentality. You're out there.

You got to be able to draw up more than three targets for A.J. Brown.

You have to. And I'm not saying I could do it.

But I'm also not saying I couldn't do it. Well, here's the argument as to not necessarily that you could do it but that all of the coordinators before Petullo could. As far as-

Just drop-

Hey, AJ, do you have your old playbooks? Can I see one?

So, what'd you like?

That's good. Let's do that. Look, AJ Brown's career with the Eagles, prior to this year, one out of 47 games he had three or fewer targets. This year, two of eight. That's a problem. I think that that this graphic

leads perfectly into this graphic brew, which is in okay. So this is AJ's career with the Eagles again. It's just this is

first couple years there were great. Yeah, leading the league

in targets or something close to it and a monster production this year. It's fallen off, but all of that has led to this three and out number, which can't happen. Look at the quarterbacks and teams and the Eagles have the highest in the league. A third of their drives go three and out.

That is the same as the Broncos who, by the way, won a 10 seven nationally televised game a few days ago. Now they weren't playing the Packers. They were playing the Raiders, but we killed them for it. Right. You know, big difference. Of course, it's a big difference. My point is that but it's Bo Nix. It's rookie Cam Moore. It's basically rookie JJ McCarthy slash Carson

Wentz. It's a little burrow, a little Browning and I'm sure Flacco's one. I'm surprised. Well, because the four games with Browning were so bad. Oh, that's what most because obviously Flacco's been. Yeah, he's been Joe Burrow 2.0. And then the Browns who had somehow had bad Flacco, not good Flacco, and now Dylan Gabriel and the Eagles, who have the most expensive offense in the league

and have been their skill position guys have been healthy. And I know Saqu one struggled this year and struggled again. Yes, he had the big guy. He has a big but but as far as him running the ball was another 22 for 6 years. I might I put that one on Packers. Yeah. Sure. Absolutely. Even though Micah Parsons is the worst run

defender ever. I just it is there's something. Troy's and Joe's comments about asking they were like we asked Jalen about AJ's comments and he would not say anything other than he wanted to win.

And then then Joe was like and I wish we could talk about what he said after it. It is more than ominous that. Yes there's a Patu low problem But I also think Jalen's not looking for AJ the way he used to. That's true. And and again, there are a great

team, but this is weird. The weird I don't think Jalen would let what if there are personal feelings, I have no idea if there if there are personal feelings between them or issues. I don't think Jalen would let that get in the way I and I would I would assume those issues were there last year when obviously they went on to win

the Super Bowl.

Yeah. No, I agree with you. I don't think I think Jalen Hurds only cares about winning, but I also think you can approach winning different ways. One is let's just have let's make as many explosive plays as possible. If we make a few mistakes so be

it we'll make up for it. Another approach is make no mistakes be super conservative. And and that's the approach last night seemed to be. If it's not wide open I'm not

taking it.

Meanwhile the Packers dropped to five three and one Jordan

Love threw for a little over the first half of the season. And that's what we're taking in. Meanwhile, the Packers drop to 5-3-1.

Jordan Law threw for a little

over 175. Got sacked three times. Lost the fumble.

It just looked bad.

That was one of those things.

There are J-no moments here and

there. First seven games to last two

games.

We'll focus on last two. 0-2. and two. Team points are down 17, passing yards down about 25. No touchdowns, two interceptions and pass a rating. Two turnovers. Oh, two turnovers, sorry. And pass a rating

down from 113 to about 75, Brew. Are you losing any faith? That It was a J-no. Like he just didn't have it. There's a difference and I am losing a little bit of faith. You know I still look the thing with him and he mentioned the lack of consistency that's him. You have no idea what you're gonna get from game to game from Jordan

Love.

And maybe even they feel maybe from possession to possession. Like two weeks ago against Pittsburgh, he was phenomenal. You had no, and you've been kind of, you know, not a little bit of a detractor. And even you were like, hey, that was awesome. I have no problem with him being on Bruce Ballard that week.

And then the last two weeks, he's been bad and we've seen

and vice versa. So they have one problem

points, 13 points. You should win every single one of those. Drew, everybody else does. Keep going. Just show my graphic about here's the the league this year when you allow 17 points or less. The Packers have lost three games. I think we can show it. The Packers have lost three games. They're one in three when allowing set when allowing under 17 the rest of the league is 62 and 5 and The the quarterbacks who have lost those games you look at it, and it's like okay, so It's guys we have real questions about and Jordan who's done it three times

Yeah, so the thing in a you could obviously you know it you know, it's interesting. Gino's had great moments. Yeah, Kyle has had great moments. CJ. Yeah, but yeah, they the defense is great and they got to find a way to fix offense dog. There are other issues. Offensive line hasn't been great. The run game. I think Jacobs is still great, but he just hasn't even

averaged four yards or carry this year. So that's been an issue, but the success or failure of the offense always comes down to the quarterback and he is just we have a graphic here. He's really struggled against the pressure like that's been the main thing and last night. He was pressured. So look at this verse no pressure.

He's phenomenal. And a lot of those ranks are top of the league or his second third best in the league. And then the pressure ranks you see really struggles

pass rating. Those are near the bottom of the league. So you know we see quarterbacks like that Jared Goff and some others but he's going to have to get better against pressure and be

more consistent. Go ahead. I

was going to have to get better against pressure and be more consistent. Go ahead, Kato. I was going to show you this headline for your reaction. We were going to kick this around. It was going to be one of our main topics before Nico Harrison got fired. Why Packers' Matt LaFleur might be coaching for his job after the loss.

This took me as surprised. It shocked me too and then I thought about it.

Okay.

The last year with Rodgers, they missed the playoffs. Two years ago, they're the seventh seed. Have a shocking round one win, but they're the seventh seed. Last year, they're the seventh seed. This year, it's them, Chicago, and San Francisco. At least one of those teams is going to be left without a chair. Barring a collapse from one of the top at least one of those teams is going to be left without a chair,

barring a collapse from one of the top six teams, which would shock us. It would shock us if, Philly's obviously going to be in because of the division, Tampa, same thing. But if the Rams, Seattle or Detroit, you know what I mean?

Miss out, there's five. So those, like there's two spots available for Green Bay the Niners who have just been consistently winning and have you know a Fortunate schedule in Chicago who I think is most likely in and up without the chair But they get their fortunate and they still gonna have to fight to make it that seven spot feels like it's right there, right? but so the question is that though and why there I think that if they're the seven seed, if they if the year Rogers last year, they were the eight seed, then they go seven seed, seven seed, seven seed and two

straight years, one and done in the playoffs. When keep in mind the article talks about Gutenkunst and Leflore next year would be the last year on their contract. So you either extend or fire like that's how the NFL owner

said he doesn't they are they don't the leaders don't really believe in lame duck right?

No, but no good franchise wants your head coach on the Cowboys the only team that's like in the Bengals. Yeah, like we'll let him do the final year. So I think that is and I do think brew I said it the day they traded for Micah. Jordan Love's the most intriguing player in the league. If he, if Jordan Love this year is the tenth best quarterback in

football, they can win the Super Bowl. If he's one of the five best quarterbacks in football, they should win the Super Bowl with that defense. Right now, he hasn't been one of the ten best. No. And the offense..

And now that you also have no Tucker Craft, you worry about what the team's going to look like. That was a huge loss. Huge. I mean, that offense having zero points into the fourth quarter is just unforgivable.

Jordan Love's passer rating, without Tucker Craft, 92, with about 107. So, a big loss. No, that's a huge loss. All right, moving to the world of the NBA. Mavs owner Patrick Dumont was at his first Mavs game this year, heard the fire Nico chants and finally said, okay. Nico out after nine months after he traded Luka to the Lakers.

Dallas 3-8 this year.

Brew, your reaction to this news?

I remember saying, you guys probably remember, the day after this trade was made, or I don't know if it was that morning, whenever we were on next, there were, the only way to justify this trade was for them to win the championship within the next two years.

Last year they didn't even make the playoffs. This year they're looking like they probably weren't gonna make the playoffs. He was fortunate and lucky, really, that the ping pong balls bounced their way. And then a third way or a second way emerged

for him to kind of work his way out of this trade. And that was if Cooper Flagg became, and I apologize for comparing him to white guys, but became Larry Bird or Luka Doncic. Yeah. Like, and Cooper looks like he's gonna be good,

but he don't... And he may eventually become a Doncic. But not at this time. No, they came right into the league, and right away were, like, one of the best players in the league.

And he's not that. That was the only thing that could save him because then at least you could look at it like okay, we gave up a superstar future Hall of

Famer for a younger one and I would have already don't know what that shouldn't have saved him at all because it's dumb love. It would have been like it wasn't a plan. They didn't it's not like they got Cooper with one of the pics. They traded Luca for it was just dumb luck, but um, and I didn't mean to interrupt you wanted the. Listen, it's simply the worst move an executive has made in

sports in 100 years.

It's simply that.

And his hubris and quotes after the fact, if the trade itself didn't fully do him in, they did him in.

How many times do we have to listen to defense wins

championships? You're three and eight. after the fact. If the trade itself didn't fully do him in they did him in. How many times we have listened to defense wins championships you're three and eight. You right now have the number

three D.

But what do you.

I hear you. What what what would you have

rather him.

Like if you make that type of trade you've got to make it

with your chest.

No it's fair enough. Then maybe it's not in his comments, it's just the rationale. Right now, this moment, the Dallas Mavericks have the third best defense in the NBA, but they have the 29th best offense, so it doesn't matter. Because in professional basketball, the most important thing in the league is what Luka provides, offense. Now to win a championship, you also need defense, but you cannot. They built a team around Luka's skill set,

and then they didn't have Luka anymore, and the team immediately falls apart. I also don't give him a pass on the injuries. The moment you trade Luka, Kyrie played 40 minutes a game for a month, because he's the only creator. He gets hurt.

You trade for Anthony Davis, whose biggest knock is his injury history. He's played 14, Anthony Davis, 14 out of 44 possible. And by the way, you now have to consider trading him. Yeah, that would be the move I'd be looking to do. So, so this is what go try to go young. I don't think people have fully realized what a not only what a disaster this is for Dallas people know that but the butterfly effect for the rest of the west because Dallas does not have they have their own pick this year and then in 2027 their pick goes to Charlotte they don't own it and in28, they swap their pick with the Thunder. And in 2029,

their pick goes to the Rockets. And in 2030, they swap their pick with the Spurs. So the Mavs might be swapping a 20, the first round pick in 2030 with the Spurs. And in two years, two and a half years, they're swapping with the Thunder and the year in between, they're giving theirs to the Rockets. The three teams that are potentially going to be at the top of the West are

going to have the Mavs first round pick at the end of the decade.

Well, that's why, to your point, they should look to trade AD, see if there's a team that thinks it's close and get to get ready to get a ball. And honestly, they should look to trade Kyrie too. I mean, if they can, if they can and Kyrie

obviously is a great player. Again, a team that's close. See out. Yeah. But I mean so that listen. I. I want to I mean this and I know it's just sports but it's not just sports like people that love sports love sports and it really does impact like your mood and how you feel and the the ability to follow a team and follow a

player.

What this guy's hubris or ego or own basketball malfunction is brain did the Mavs fans is one of the saddest things I've seen in recent in sport sports. Sad is what I mean.

It we are you say right? We are used to in sports a there's a chance a player is going to get mad and demand out like we got it. We were prepared for that. But if you were a Mavericks fan

you were just like like can you imagine KW imagine if in two years and two more top five MVP finishes you wake up one morning and Elliot Wolfe traded Drake May. Yeah, and it's like you just don't get to follow him anymore.

Yeah, great. I heard all that. Yeah, I heard Joe Burrow.

That's it.

That's Joe Burrow.

I mean, okay, but...

Yeah, but healthy. That's it.

Or just a defensive stalwart.

It just feels like it was... Something was stolen help you. Or just a defensive stalwart. It just feels like something was stolen from you. Yeah.

Because one guy...

It felt like it shouldn't be allowed.

Yes.

It sounds weird, but it's like, oh, you're kind of taking a community...

Yes, franchises go decades without getting a Luka Doncic.

Coach, you're here. You wanted to honor a veteran close to you.

Yeah, I want to honor my dad, Carmine Mangini, was a proud member of the U.S. Navy and served

in the Korean War. That's an amazing picture. The slight resemblance there, Coach. If I may honor once again my wife's grandfather, who's become my grandfather as well, Chief Master Sergeant Abram Jones, William Abram Jones, who's still with us, still travels with us, hangs out when he comes to New York, and is now also a great, great grandfather and met his wife in the Air Force, did 30 years, and is probably watching right now.

2. And then my father who was in Vietnam, Edward Broussard, Leonard Beauregard, who fought, who were in World War II, and then my father, who was in Vietnam, Edward Broussard. They're all passed away now, but great men that molded me and

shaped me. So, salute to them. I want, before we get back to Joe, I wanted to send my thoughts to everyone from my hometown, Grog, Connecticut, submarine capital of the world. We also have the Coast Guard Academy there. So I wanted to, they're in my, you know, thoughts all the time. But I also wanted to say one other thing. When I was growing up, they always had kids that had come to school from different parts of the country because there was a lot of Navy families. So you get kids come in from San Diego, you get kids from Virginia. And I never realized until I became a father, the shared sacrifice of the families of veterans and people in the military.

Whether it's, you know, if your mom is out and your dad's, you know, holding down the fort or your dad is out, which a lot of times the fathers would be on submarines, and you know my wife has gone for the weekend and I was lost. So the idea that you'd be out for months at a time, serving the country, it's a shared sacrifice.

So happy Veterans Day to all the veterans and their families.

Beautiful KW.

Thank you.

You're such a sweet guy. KW got choked up saying that.

No, it was very nice. I didn't realize, because I was like a kid. And then as I became a father, I was like, man, these dads would be out for months at a time. And it was just normal because you got used to it. And once you're a dad, it's like, wow. It's a real sacrifice, a shared sacrifice for an entire family.

And thank you for, you know, I don't really deserve much. It was just shouting credit. Yeah. Back to first things first. Joe Burrow returned to practice yesterday and told Jay Glazer that he is aiming for a return around Thanksgiving but not necessarily on Thanksgiving. Still haven't landed on a hairstyle but

it was fresh off bright. He had his hair real on every week.

We're just rolling the dice out there every few months. Are you buying his optimism?

Of their chances, no, because as the Bengals are presently constituted, they won't be any better with him. Now, Flacco falls off.

Brew.

He's going to fall off. OK, but as they are presently playing, they have scored 80 points in their last two losses.

80.

I mean, they-

Flacco did have two picks last game. Then we have four touchdowns and 500 yards.

Yeah, Brew, I mean, they've scored 42 and 38 in their losses. Like, their problem is not quarterback play. Now, what I will say is this, Brew. This is a little unintentional dig at your Ravens. And also, I think, by happenstance, bad news for your Ravens. Because this is setting up for, if it is true that he's going to come back after Thanksgiving. The Ravens on Thanksgiving are going to have to deal with

Joe Flacco thinking this might be my last start of my career on Thanksgiving. I am Chuck in this sucker deep all game and then you're going to have to deal with actual Joe Burrow a few weeks later. But no, I think the Bengals are cooked and I don't think their problem is quarterback play.

Well, look, Flacco, I think, by my estimation, has one great game left.

Well, he's saving it for Thanksgiving.

No, but he's going to stay. It'll be this next game and then he'll turn back into a pumpkin. So by the time they play the Ravens, he'll be throwing the ball to the opposing team. But I'll be honest, I mean, if I'm Joe Burrow, he's got the right attitude. Like, it is wide open. I mean, he's, they are two games behind Pittsburgh, who they play, and you know, and as someone

rooting who picked the Ravens, yeah, I'm a little more concerned with flack. Oh, I mean with Burrow playing for it. Ian slip. If Burrow doesn't play. I feel like those are two, you know, they have no room for error, obviously, but those are two games. They should win. They should

sweep the Bengals. If he plays now, they swept them last year, but it was 41 38 in overtime

and it was 35 34. So you just like those were

both games. They scored 38 points and lost with Joe Burrow

they're from a lot more dangerous. He will bring even even if you think, even if Flaggo's playing well, Burrow will bring more hope, more belief, more confidence in that locker room. Like, they will be, I think this Ravens still can obviously sweep them. They did it last year. But it makes their road a little bit tougher.

I absolutely agree with Joe Burrow. The division is wide open, just not for them. And to Nick's point, 42 points, 38 points, and 33 points in the last three games. That's a 37.3 average. So, what's Joe Burrow going to be good for another field goal, still get to 40?

That's not the problem. 30 second in yards, 30 second in points, 32nd in rush yards, 30 in passing yards, 29th in sacks, tied for 25th in takeaways. So they really did a good job there. Weren't they the same last year, though?

Yeah, they were. And they made a.. I'm just saying they made a push.

They were dangerous. Totally get it. But we're not looking at a team that has not scored a ridiculous amount of points and still found a way to lose. And unlike Baltimore, it doesn't seem like they're getting any better. If anything, they're fine. The, the, the play against Chicago to lose the game.

I mean, it's just brutal.

So that was so bad, but it doesn't seem unfixable.

Does that make like, it's just, you're not making tackles.

It look, you want to look, you want to, you want to do.

But they don't have bad.

This has gone on for a year and a half.

I know, but they have NFL quality players. Just bad.

I would think, I would, I would, I would imagine if you were there, you have to try something dramatically different. So, when you're having this level of bad results over and over again, maybe it's got to be, you know, 70% blitz, 60%, but with something dramatic, because how do you want to die? You're bad right now, so why not go take some shots, try to blow up the other team, try to create some havoc with the hopes that you get two or three stops

so that your offense can go win the game because you're just outscoring.

In fairness, I think that kind of is what they tried against the Jets, which is the only way the Jets can then go score 39 points. You know what I mean? But the fact of the matter is, they've run out, they fired, they were like, it's Lou Anarumo's fault. How's he doing in Indy? Seems okay.

Well, he was terrible last year.

No, the players are bad. How can the players be this bad? Somebody's gotta be 32nd.

Like, I've done under them every year.

Well, I mean, they don't change, they didn't change players. A question. They ran everything back.

They said, we have this awesome offense, this terrible defense. What if we have this grand strategy of just paying our offense players more money? I know it doesn't make sense. The only thing is, it feels like other defenses get hurt and all of a sudden, wow, three guys are out, four guys are out. And then there's a next man up mentality.

So you have guys who are starting who aren't starters in the league. And they play better than the team. And they play better than the team. And they play better than the Bengals.

It's the culture.

I know you don't like when I say that. It's true. There are teams that have a defensive mentality and a defensive culture and they just are good defensively.

What do you want to do?

Play more pump-up music?

They don't care about defense. They pay it all off as a player. Look, the guys who are on the defense obviously care about the defense and the coaches care about the defense. But it is one of those situations where when you're in a hole this big, it's not a question of just stop digging like some people say.

You're going to try some different things. And maybe that's why they lost the debts. But you can't just leave it the way it is. I agree. And maybe it's, just take some chances. You gotta take some chances because this way is not working and you are probably gonna put up

30, 35 a game.

Just hear me out.

Come on, man. Come on, man, we don't have enough time.

We gotta get right there. I already hear you out. We're about to say something dumb.

Say it. Say it. He's about to say something dumb. Jamar Chase.

Play the corner.

I just said you can drag the ball. I only had a desperate time, Jamar.

He's going to say something dumb.

And drive under.

And get him hurt.

Yeah.

He's not tough enough?

Come on.

Just say it. Go get him hurt.

I saw the look in your eye. I tried to save you. We got to do something. Then let's just lose, I guess.

That's the other option.

I'll try Coach's way.

Let's just blitz every play.

Sean McDermott was asked about reuniting with former Bills OC and Josh Allen sculptor from just a raw piece of clay from Wyoming, Brian Dayball. McDermott not interested. So, I have a take for you, Coach. I think you might like..

Maybe you'll hate.

I'm not sure.

No, but this isn't put your all pro receiver at defensive back because the Patriots did it with Troy Brown once. And Julian Allen.

And Julian Allen.

A little bit different. Yeah, pay scale back.

Alright, so if people don't.. Tyler Dunn, who I like a lot lot I bring up a lot on the show he is the great sub stack go long TD. He wrote the long form piece on the Caleb piece was him. He's also the one that wrote the McDermott piece a couple of

years ago that got a lot of traction because of the piece of it was the 9-11 reference. But also it talked about the dysfunction within the locker room and between McDermott and Josh or the offense.

And they talked about Brian Dable on it. And here is a reference from it that kind of leads into my take. Thus, it's impossible not to ask one long-time Builder's a player who's close with all three individuals. One question. Did Buffalo keep the wrong coach?

There's nothing but dead air on the other end of the phone for 13 seconds. Do I need to continue my silence, this player said, or are we good? So I thought about that when Tyler tweeted it out. Awesome way to respond. Right. Yesterday.

And this is because I mentioned, hey, could they bring him back in the fold? You bring him back in the fold now, it undermines Joe Brady entirely. You can't do that. Also seems like there was friction between he and McDermott, he being Brian Dayball. Also, Josh Allen has picked his last two offensive coordinators.

Like, he has had a real say in it. Question I have is this. If the Bills don't win the division, which right now they're favored not to do, and if they, for the first time in the Josh Allen MVP-ish era, go out in round one and they fire Sean McDermott, because I think we all believe they probably would if they lose in round one of the playoffs,

would Brian Dable, head coach of the Buffalo Bills, be a real possibility? Because Josh Allen loves him and arguably he's played his best football with him. Obviously, Dable would do it, there's not a question there. Do you think that is pie-in-the-sky nonsense, or something that is on the board of possibilities?

Look, I don't rule out anything being a possibility. The first thing I wanna say about friction between him and McDermott, so Brian was with me, he was my assistant in the secondary when we were in New England. Then he was my quarterback coach at the Jets.

Then he was the offense coordinator for me at the Browns. He is not a friction guy. He is not a guy that's going to create any kind of problems on a staff. So, the idea that there is friction between him and the That's not how he's wired. It's just inconceivable for me to imagine that was the case.

Will he defend the things he believes in? Yeah, but he's not going to undermine anything that the head coach is trying to achieve. In terms of him going back there in the short term, I get why people are talking about that. But if anything, he needs to decompress a little bit,

get away from football for a while. And then if he wants to go back somewhere, go back a little bit later in the season. I think New England would actually be a great place for him to go back and console for a while. They're probably going to win the division.

And let's say the Bills don't want him back. It'd be a nice place to go back to if the Bills didn't want you back to just be like, oh, okay, well, So, there's that. In terms of him becoming a head coach in Buffalo, when you do transition head coaches, there is an element of having to sell to the fan base. So, it's a little bit tougher sell based off the way that..

But I think Bill's fans love him because they feel like he helped Josh become Josh.

I can tell you definitively nobody loves Buffalo, the city of Buffalo, more than Brian Dayball. He was raised there, he is a proud, you know, Buffalonian, so he, you know, that would be great from a, you know, hometown hero coming back. It's just whether the ownership could sell it.

And if you're an owner that doesn't care whether or not, you know, how people perceive you, and you're gonna make the move because you think it's the best and so be it. Robert crafted that by hiring Bill Belichick a long time ago when Bill was very much out of favor nationally.

Yeah, no, Belichick's a great example because, look, I think Daybo, he obviously did a very good job his first year with the Giants and I think he could go somewhere else and do a very good job. But with the Bills, you guys know a few years ago, I was saying,

if the Bills don't get it done this year, McDermott should go. I think McDermott's a good coach. It seems to me like even if they do go out in the playoffs again and you know, bad fashion,

they just seem like they are going to keep McDermott, to me. Now, maybe I'm wrong. So, I think he's there. He obviously said the right thing about, we're not considering Dable now. But if they go out in the first round,

even if they just don't make the Super Bowl and the offense is a problem, I could see getting rid of Bray, I could see bringing D of break. I could see bringing table back as an OC and with Josh now and again, if McDermott ever got fired, then could he you can't see him as a OC. I don't, he just

doesn't I think he's going to try to get a head coaching. He might

but we've seen a lot of former head coaches go back to being coordinators. And I think that would be the case. And I think coaches right Nick date it better work. You better win the Super Bowl. If you bring in day bull after how it went with the Giants and you bring in day bull after how it went with the Giants and you fire McDermott to bring in day. But I just I don't see that