No F*cks Given ft. Kylie Jenner | Khloé In Wonder Land

Kylie, you're my bitch.

I don't know if I've ever been on a podcast before.

♪ Baby you can't stay mad at me ♪

Kylie and I are getting so f***ed up today.

Chloe, please.

What is something that you think about all the time?

Aliens. The first scary movie I've ever seen was Signs.

What the f*** is Signs?

When you're spiraling, who do you text first? When do you mute our family group chat?

You were always muted.

What?

Truth or dare?

Okay.

What do you pick?

Oh.

Are you okay?

Are you okay?

I see your eyes watering.

No, mine are glossy from alcohol. Yours are glossy from tears. There's a difference.

Sweet.

What was our bonding experience like being pregnant? I don't think we ever expected to be pregnant at the same time. Okay, let's call mom.

Wait, did you mean to post that on Instagram?

Bang, bang, kiss, kiss.

What? Show me, tell me right now and get it down.

What are some of your superstitious rituals you do?

Sorry, I'm applying my lip liner.

Cheers to us. Cheers. And welcome and thank you for being on Chloe and Wonderland.

I love you. I love you.

I'm so scared to see this episode. So I don't know if people know and not like this isn't like a diss. No, it's fine. But this has been like the fourth attempt to get Kylie Jenner on the pod and it but timing is everything. Timing is everything. Because you're here now, we're present, and Kylie and I are getting so f***ed up today.

Yeah, I don't know if we would have done that the other times.

Yeah, you're right, we wouldn't have. Timing's everything. But also, can I cap the floor? You can say everything.

Okay.

So when you first were doing your podcast, we had a date. That's not true. We had a date to do it, but I felt like, I felt strongly that you needed to have non-family members on first to solidify your place in the podcast world. So I felt like you need to do you,

and then I'll come on.

And f*** you hoes half the time.

Yeah. Yeah. Right. So I felt like you need to do you and then I'll come on. And f*** you hoes half the time.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Right. And also what I do want to say to all the viewers and listeners is that- I need to get something off my chest. Oh my God.

I'm like wasted.

Breaking news.

Me too.

I'm like, it's hitting me.

So Kylie and I, before we started recording, we shared a shot together. Like what the f*** is gonna happen this whole time, okay? But Kylie and I don't really drink that much anymore and half a shot of vodka and half a martini really f***s us up. Oh, yeah. It's also like too... When the olives slap you in the face, you know it's a big deal.

I'm like so like, what's happening?

But what I did want to say is that, so, Kylie and I shot a YouTube video together. Everyone has seen it, because it's like the most viral sensation.

It's definitely the best, most watched video on YouTube.

But we did that ages ago. So in honor of that video, we did a YouTube video for your YouTube channel channel where Kylie and I were so drunk, I literally blacked out in the garage here, which is crazy. And Kylie's security had to take me home and I had to f***ing hold it together for security. I felt like I was like, I was like, hello, sir.

How are you?

I don't know why, like I literally had like an accent. But that's when, it was like, well that's when I was drinking personally a lot more.

And in the video I go,

I took six shots, Chloe took five shots. We're gonna start the video,

I've taken one shot and I'm like not okay. You've taken half of one with me. Yeah, that's true. And Kylie and I, we're here, we have all of Kylie Cosmetics here, because we're here, and we're trying to bring that same energy. But I'm not asking Kylie today, like, where are you from?

Because you're my sister. Like, it's weird. If I'm like, so, how was your childhood? So we're just going to ask random, fun questions that probably most interviewers...

Let's keep this fun.

It's f***ing fun!

Let'sking fun! It's f**king fun! And whatever you don't want to answer, say it, bitch. Shut the f**k up. And we don't answer it. And we move on. And these aren't like riveting questions because you're my sister. I can ask you things that another interviewer's too afraid to ask you because they need to be like proper.

F**k you, bitch.

I don't need to be proper. Let's take half a shot. You think so? Chloe, please.

I'm not okay. How are you okay?

I'm not okay, but I can read still.

Okay, so I'm gonna take a quarter. Can I just take a big gulp of my martini? It's like the same thing.

Whatever you wanna do.

F***.

I also wanted to say, I don't know if I've ever been on a podcast before.

What?

Right?

I don't know.

Whose podcast have I been on?

Stoss?

No. I've never been on a podcast before, but I wanted to, it's a public announcement, I wanted to start maybe getting on some podcasts, but I couldn't have done that without going

on yours first. Well, yeah, now you're on mine. So, honestly, that's how it should be, though.

Yeah, duh.

Okay. Kylie Kristen Jenner.

I'm scared.

Why are you scared?

No, I'm just fine.

Whatever you don't want to talk about, we're not talking about. I'm just fine.

Okay.

I'm just so drunk. Discuss your Roman Empire. Like what do you think about way too much? What is something, it could be the most, like I think about the color pink all the time, whatever it is. What is something that you think about all the time?

Aliens maybe.

Yes, talk to me. Yeah, probably aliens.

What about?

I just have this like- Kylie, you and I at this moment, just we got so much deeper.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, no, we just did.

No, this, we relate about this a lot.

I just-

Love you more and more every day. I don't know what it is ever since I was a child. I think it's because the first scary movie I've ever seen was Signs. What the f*** is science? Science, bitch! I don't know. With Joaquin Phoenix. I don't know if I know. I have to see.

Maybe if I show you a photo. But that was the first scary movie I ever saw. And it just gave me this like intense fear of aliens.

And that would just be something that I think about a lot. Do you think that they're... so are you afraid of them now?

Yes.

So I want to reassure you-

If aliens were to land on Earth, like-

No, but Kylie-

I don't know what, I would have to just-

Kylie, they are among us. I know. You don't have to be afraid. Dr. Stephen Greer already said- I watched that podcast. That the government, Government, thank you, that they're gonna stage an alien invasion. So don't believe the hype.

You said they are, they are.

Dr. Stephen Greer said they are. He said the government is gonna try to instill fear in everyone. They're gonna stage an alien invasion. So bitch, I'm good. Okay, when you can't fall asleep at night,

what is your go-to scrolling app?

TikTok.

What are you looking up? Or you're just like mindlessly? I'm just on the For You page.

Yeah?

And what is like your algorithm?

It's really, it's a lot of animals.

Okay.

Wait, wait, cut to, how many animals do you have? So I just got two cats and I have lots of dogs. I lost count. Yeah, you have a ton of dogs. But my TikTok scroll is like animals, like funny videos of like chickens and roosters. I was gonna say, and you have chickens. Lots of cats. I have chickens too. Lots of cats and what else is on my For You page? Like people falling and stuff.

That's random. Okay. And that is random. How many group chats do you think you have?

I feel like I only speak in group chats.

Oh, really? Yeah. Okay. So I feel honored when I have an individual conversation with you. Yes.

Okay. I'm like, ooh, this is serious if Chloe's texting me on the side.

Yeah.

Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I want to know what are some of your memories of us growing up in the same house? Like they could be the most random, like, I don't know. What are like the things that come to mind? Okay. Do you want to know some of my earliest memories with you? I do. Okay. We were at the Hidden Hills house and I remember you were, it was my birthday. Okay. And we were by the window.

I just remember, this was like a very early memory. So I just remember we were by a window by the backyard and you were telling me how old I was turning.

And I think I was like four or something.

Shut up.

Yes. And you were like, hold up your fingers.

And you were helping me hold my fingers up. Kylie, there's no way you'll remember this.

Are you gonna cry?

No, I need to hear the rest.

I cried. Wait.

Are you okay?

Are you okay?

I see your eyes watering.

No, mine are glossy from alcohol. Yours are glossy from tears. There's a difference.

So sweet.

And then I remember, this is a little scarier.

Oh.

I just remember when you got in your car crash.

Wait.

And you were like laying in your bed with a neck brace.

And I remember...

These are not the same story, by the way. No, this was a different time. Okay, so then first, so the first memory is, that's so sweet of me, you were four.

And you were holding up my fingers to tell me how old I was.

That's so nice of me. You were like my mom. I'm gonna cry just because you're crying. I mean, the martinis do this to me, I don't know why. They're just because it and then, pause.

Pause, another memory.

Next memory is.

I remember you, I remember. From my car crash. I think when my parents, you know, my mother and my father. I know them. And they were like, Chloe, they kind of,

I remember they like explained to me kind of what happened

and then I went in to see you and you were like laying in bed with a neck brace. Am I wrong? No, you're not. Yeah. So at 16 years old, I got into a really bad car accident where an older gentleman ran a red light. I spun out. I went through my car windshield.

I had to be removed from the car with the jaws of life is what it's called. I've had three knee surgeries from it. I was in a neck brace. I had like third-degree burns.

Your head went through the windshield.

Yes, my head went through the windshield. And my dad always said, and I remember it was on cold water right before Ventura, my dad's office. I never knew where it was. I know exactly where it is. If I drive by it, I'm like, oh, I literally start tensing up because I'm like, pay attention, look all around you. And I remember the stop sign the man rolled to hit me.

So it was a stop sign.

Yeah, so Ventura was there, and then right below it was a stop sign. And to my right, because I was driving to my dad's office, and my dad's office was, there was a Jerry's Deli and a Penn's Bowling Alley, and my dad had an office right before. And I had a Mercedes, and my on-star immediately

called my dad's office, and Kim answered, because she was his secretary. And it said, airbag went off, whatever it says, and Kim ran down, and I kept saying, Mom, Mom. And I have no recollection of that at all. Kim would always say that. And they cut my jeans and it was the only, I was a little chubbier, so it was the only pair of jeans that fit me. And I kept saying, these are the only,

Kim told me this, these are the only jeans that work. Don't do that to me.

Oh, wow.

And I went straight to surgery that day for my knee. But, and I had some memory loss from that incident and yeah, and that was horrible. And then I was put in a neck brace. I had a knee brace from my ankle to my upper thigh for like three months. And mom made me go on a date with someone in that time. And I was like, the way I walked into the date, her and Gunnar put me on a date with someone.

It was like the meanest thing to do. I remember you healing at the, at home. I remember that was like very significant. Yeah, that was, that was not great. And you and Matt with your neck brace. That wasn't great, but I'm alive and praise God.

Praise God.

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Does Kylie remember Chloe sneaking out and getting in trouble? Are those any of your memories? I don't.

Okay, good. I think Chris shielded me from that. Thank God. Yeah, are those any of your memories? I don't. Okay, good.

I think Chris shielded me from that. Thank God. Yeah. So what are your other memories? My other memories, they're all positive. You were definitely a strong authority figure in my life.

So Chloe's the one that like always had my password. I remember I really wanted a Facebook or a MySpace. In Twitter. MySpace, Facebook, Twitter were the first three socials. But before I could even have an account, like you had to sit Kendall and I down, talk to us about the dangers of social media,

you needed our password.

And if you guys changed your passwords, I would always say, I'm coming to find you and I'm taking them off your, like whatever, you're not allowed to have them. Because if you violated not giving me the password. And you guys were so good.

Yeah, we were. I think that saved me from a lot of things, probably. I didn't even have the thought that I can do anything bad on social media because I really felt like you were watching. That and then just like if I would get in trouble, you would take the

home phone away from my bedroom. You were definitely like, I respected you. I don't know who I would have been. I don't know who I would have been today if you weren't there. I remember. Because you were like the discipline. Disciplinary. In my life. Yeah. And I love that, but we also had such a great relationship. Like I remember when you told me the first person that you had like a real serious relationship with.

And I remember like you would talk about it so freely. I remember exactly where I was. I was actually on the freeway. You called me and you told me all these intimate things. And I remember like, okay, I had to put the phone down and be like, okay, we just turned a corner. Like thinking to myself, she's not

a little girl anymore, but I had to like be cool and not like, don't blow it, Chloe, like let her still tell you things. But I was driving to a basketball game, I think, and I just remember telling myself, okay, be cool, this information isn't great, but now she's dating people, we're okay, we're okay. And I just remember, and you would always come to me with problems and I took such pride in that.

Aw.

Yeah. I didn't know that. Well, because I literally was like, don't freak out, it's okay. Do you remember the first time you've ever lied to me? I don't really know if you and I have a lying relationship.

We don't really have a lying relationship, but anytime I would even attempt to,

I feel like you would catch me in a lie immediately.

I feel like we're both not good liars. I was way too afraid to lie to you. Yeah. And you're just, we don't have a lying family really. Yeah. Like I feel like we're, we would just avoid as opposed to lie.

Yeah.

If that makes sense. I agree. Oh yeah, f**k it up, Kylie.

Cheers to that.

Cheers.

We've already cried, we've laughed. What was our bonding experience like being pregnant? I don't think we ever expected to be pregnant at the same time never in a million years No going from you helping me count my birthday on my fingers. Oh being pregnant together, so I think that We embraced it I think we were we were yeah we did I remember

like respectfully, I think Kim was first, and she was a surrogate, so she wasn't.

We really took her shine away really bad.

We did, and I remember how jealous she was that you and I were pregnant together. Oh yeah, because then she was like, why did I, I should have, yeah. Like, why wasn't I pregnant with you? Because it just would have been like, what an experience.

Yeah. Like why wasn't I pregnant with you? Because it just would have been like, what an experience. And then you were pregnant. I had not a clue, obviously. I was pregnant three months after you. And I remember having the barbecue at mom's. You couldn't be there. You were sick from pregnancy.

And you were in bed and when we FaceTimed you, you were like, stop, are you pregnant? And I remember saying yes, and it was like, never in a million years did I think that. You and I did photo shoots together and so many amazing things, but never in a million years would I think that.

I know, and having our sons together is the best thing ever. And Kylie is really one of the main reasons why I felt so safe and comfortable having Tatum because Kylie was like, come on, Air is six months older than Tatum. And when I was like crying and like, why is this happening?

I can't believe it's happening a second time. And you were like, but God makes no mistakes and this is supposed to happen. And now our sons get to grow up together and we, and Stormy and True, and now we have Tatum and Air and you were so right. Well, who could have planned it better? God, that's it.

It was like- It's crazy. It is crazy. It really is crazy. And they have each other. Thank God, because who would Air be with? I don't know. No. Who would Tatum be with?

I don't know. Right. It's crazy. They're so cute and we have to keep them like nice and sensitive because when they're together, they like, I just sent Chloe a video like two days ago. They went to Disneyland and they were like in the cart, like holding hands like this.

They were like this around Disneyland looking around, enjoying the experience. I'm like, I want them to be sensitive and close. And they love each other. Yeah, they do. What surprised you most about becoming a mom?

I don't think you realize how selfish you are. Like even the little things until you have kids, like leaving the house.

Just leaving the house. Like even just going to a friend's house. It could be nothing. house, just leaving the house.

Like even just going to a friend's house, it could be nothing. Going to a friend's house, you can't do those things anymore. Yeah, so I think just little things like that, but also I was really scared the first time I was really young.

I also think that maybe people don't fully know about you is that since you were little, you were the biggest nurturer. And Kylie had a dog named Dolce. And I think you got this dog at seven, maybe younger? But around seven.

We were in Sherwood, so probably younger. Like maybe six.

Maybe six or seven. And the way Kylie was obsessed with this animal and the way, like normally kids are like, I want a dog, I want a dog. And they're cool for like two weeks. And then the kid, like it's the parent's responsibility.

This dog was Kylie's baby. I couldn't have sleepovers because I was so obsessed with the dog. And it was instead of calling your parents when you're at a sleepover, like, Mom, I miss you, it would be like, how's Dolce? Is Dolce okay? I have to come home. Yes. So I think innately, Kylie has had this maternal instinct her entire life. And even if people saw it or they didn't see it, like,

so obviously a dog and a human are two different things, but you've always had these progressional steps that were so natural to you. And you had this maternal instinct, even with your friends and you're silly and fun and all of that, but the mom gene,

I don't think there was a lot that needed to change you. Cause you were just like, okay, whenever it happens, I'm ready. Like I can lock in.

Yeah.

And you do, you lock in.

Thank you, babe.

Cheers.

Oh,

I mean, I'm still going. You better go. What are the difference of these brushes? You know what I wish you would do? What? I wish cause like for idiots like me,

who doesn't know makeup You see how it says Kylie cosmetics. I wish this said like blush brush. I don't give a fuck about your number No, I love that. Thank you for the like contour. I also don't want a shadow, but I don't want to limit it to Okay, but on the website it says more information. I just I'm not this is my foundation. I'm not okay I was gonna use that for this. Okay, I need some book You can use it for anything like this is my skin tint brush, but I use it for contour

I'm just not like a makeup. This is the concealer brush. You don't use this. I Have it. I wish it said thing concealer. So this is the best brush ever I just need something. I wish these said like specifics. That's just my wish. You need to customize it just for me. How do you balance maintaining your personal identity

while being a parent?

I think I have a really good balance.

You have a great f***ing balance.

I have a really good balance. I think that I definitely still feel like myself. It was really hard for me

having kids so young and you're just the emotions and the postpartum. And probably being the only one in your circle.

The only one. Iris, that's Iris and I became a lot closer. She's a little bit older than me. She, we had kids together also. Iris was on the pod. She was on the pod. But I think I did a pretty good job. I think it just takes time.

You did a great job. Yeah.

But I do wonder. It took me like a year probably after,

both times, to really feel like myself again. I think that's normal.

Yeah.

I think it just takes a minute to get your f***ing mojo back. I know it does. Has being a mom changed how you think about your own childhood or how you view mom? Yes. In what ways? I think that I can relate to her more. I understand maybe some of the decisions that she made.

For sure, it's changed my whole relationship with my mom.

It's interesting because because in interviews, if someone asks me, like, has being a mom changed the way you view mom? And I say, significantly. And I say, I almost am jealous of Kylie for getting to have,

because I think when you become a mom, you have so much more empathy for your own mother. Like, you understand, wait, we're just humans. And she's doing the best she knows how to do. Just because you're a mom or a doctor, we put so much like power with these people.

And like, they're still normal human beings that like, yes, we view them as superheroes, but doesn't necessarily mean they are. And they're just like, our mom had us in her young 20s, or had the older ones in the young 20s. And then if she makes mistakes, that's okay. We're allowed to give her grace and forgiveness. And so the fact that you get that understanding so young, your relationship with mom gets

to be so close from such an early age where I feel like mom and I butted heads a lot when I was a teenager.

When I was a teenager too though.

Really? Like before I moved out the house, I couldn't wait to get the out of there. I feel like you and mom, you were like always a mommy's girl. Her nickname, me and Stoss lived,

Stoss lived with me basically. Her nickname was Dark Shadows, and every time she would Yeah, no, there's no A. There's no A in here. I'm like messy, but in a very, like, I know where everything is. It's just how my brain works. Like, if there's a mess and someone moves my mess.

You guys, pause.

I know where, I know. During the fires, okay? Kylie was nice enough. We were getting evacuated. Hidden Hills, the podcast, we had to even, I think, prolong our start of our podcast because of the fires. Kylie was nice enough, she was like, come evacuate me, Scott, all the kids.

We were all at Kylie's. Are you gonna talk about your evacuation? No, no, no, we were all at the- Place? No, no, I'm not. We're all at her other home in Beverly Hills. And Kylie's like, are you good?

Are you coming to Palm Springs? I'm like, yes, we're going tomorrow. Thank you so much for letting us be here. And she's like, are you, are you, Kylie said, are you going crazy? And I was like, why?

And she's like, because all the piles of things everywhere. And I was like, well, now that you offered that, yes, it's a little crazy. She said, Chloe, I'm just a go with the flow type of girl. I don't wanna stress about things. And I was like, okay. She was so like, just lackadaisical. I was so envious.

It wasn't even like, shit was everywhere. You were just like, there's a method to this. Be cool. And I was not cool. I couldn't handle it. And you were so great.

And I was like, the fact that you even let us all come over there, that alone would have freaked me out. You know, mom would have been like, the hotel is full. Just even if it was empty.

Just because she's like, no one- It was like you and Scott, Cece, Lala, all of our kids, Rob and Dream. I didn't even know you guys were all there. I mean, I told everyone you can absolutely go, but I was out of town and I didn't hear from you. Yeah, no, you were fine, but you were so chill

and you were like, are you going nuts? I was like, I don't know. Because it was right after Christmas. I was in your bed, but the- But my room, by the way, we're making it seem like my room is like a tornado. It's just like, you know,

I have books and I have my crystals and I have my-

Stacks, and it was right after Christmas. Yeah. So the presents, and they was like, but to you, I was like, do you want me to help you put this away? Okay It was great and my closet. I don't know what to do about my closet. It's like no, but you're making China

I know yeah, it'll be a fresh start. Mm-hmm

What do you think are different parenting styles are because I think you and I are somewhat similar or no, am I crazy? No, we are similar. Yeah, I feel like we are I think you are Well, you're the best mom. Thank you. So are you though? Thank you. I think you're a little more Regimented regimented. Yep, but better word. Yeah, then Richard

You are very like they need to be asleep at this time or like my day like it's the world has ended You know time or like my day like it's the the world has ended you know where I'm a little like

it's like fine we're at Disneyland like they can stay 30 more minutes you're very listen I let Tatum go to Disneyland the other day but even now and not have a snack I know he didn't take that I'm like wow I wasn't even gonna say anything to you. It was a big day. But he's like seven. And he was a demon, he's seven, he's three. When he came home, he was like, don't you talk to me! I was like, oh my God.

Tatum, is that you?

Well, because you haven't. He was possessed.

Because he's never not had a nap. Tatum needs his nap. Tatum was a lunatic. I mean, my son, Air, hasn't had a nap in like a year. Air has lost his nap? Yes, for a few months now. Kylie, that's major.

They're gonna be in preschool next year. True.

No, it's happening soon.

Air is also six months older than Tatum. That's true. It's a big difference. And Tatum was out of the movie of The Exorcist when I saw him after Disneyland. I was like, I need-

But they got to go on more rides and he's not gonna remember, oh, I was so tired coming home from Disney.

He thrived except for him-

He's gonna remember the rides.

Begging for his nap. I said, you will not have a nap. And he was fine. You guys already know that if there's a dog in the room, I'm talking to it before I talk to humans. I'm obsessed. So of course I want every fur baby in my life

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Ooh, what is the peak and the pit of your week so far?

Well, the pit of my week is losing my Norman. That was like very hard for me.

Very hard.

I didn't think that, I was preparing myself because he was about to turn 13 and I knew that I didn't have as much was preparing myself because he was about to turn 13 and I knew that I didn't have as much time with him, but. But how crazy with the King Kylie anniversary of it all. I know. I know.

He made it to King Kylie.

But that was definitely the pit of my day.

The peak. The week.

The peak would be, besides being here. Thank you.

It would be, I think. Thank you. It would be I think my King Kylie collection launching been preparing for that for like

years.

No. Ten years of any brand anything store anything being in existence.

That's.

That's iconic.

Yeah. So it's a dream. I didn't think this far, but it's pretty amazing.

How could you? You were so young starting this from your, you were at mom's house, like, this is what I wanna do. And you did it, and look at you, it's amazing.

Thank you.

Speaking of King Kylie, we have Popstar Kylie.

Yay!

Okay, how does it feel to be pop star Kylie? I send you so many TikToks. Okay, so all I do is send, I've sent you like 20 TikToks that I'm ignored on that Kylie... Wait, you send me TikToks like on TikTok? No, I don't know how to do that. Just to your text.

I don't look at those.

Obviously, but you look at your text messages. It's fine. I'm not offended. And they're all about the Fourth Strike song and people dancing to them. They have choreography. Oh, yeah, you do. I did ignore that last one. But only because I've seen it already. And I was like, oh, cute. Oh, you have? Good. I just I don't care if you acknowledge me. I'm like, you should like hype them up. I think it's so cute. How does that feel? It feels really good because I had zero expectation. I didn't expect really like... I mean, I loved it. I was proud of it. I thought it was amazing, but I didn't really do it for... to get a

number one song or like I wasn't... I tried and I put, you know know all the love and the best I could do but I wasn't expecting anything So anything extras feels really good. It's just like creative freedom and to have fun Well, you know, it was on my vision board what? To record a song. I love that. Yeah, and when do you make last December? I Do it with Iris every year like around New Year's. We just do it when our schedules align.

Iris, I feel like anything she puts on those boards, she becomes- Such a good manifester. She's such a good manifester. It's crazy. Anything she puts on those boards.

We did a vision board, and honestly, I haven't done one in a few years since then, but everything on my vision board has come true.

Okay, then we gotta do another one. That's what I'm saying.

I'm setting it, now I'm gonna dream even bigger.

Hello?

I have some thoughts for my vision board.

Okay, I want you to put them on the vision board. I'm not gonna tell you to talk about them, but I need to be a part of this. Yeah. We should do it the three of us. We should. But yeah, I did record a song,

like get out of your comfort zone.

Did you put acting on there? Because I mean, you're acting girl.

I did.

You did?

Well, I didn't put acting, but I put more general, like do things that you're afraid of, do things outside of your comfort zone.

What are the two things that you're most afraid of? Career wise, acting and singing. Okay, and you did both this year.

Yeah.

Wow.

Oh my god, for the Charlie movie coming out, I was Chloe.

What?

I was so scared for days. For what? To actually do it. I had a very small part I mean, I had a lot of lines, but I was I was just so afraid I think I'm so used to I Think I used to do a lot more things out of my comfort zone and now I'm used to like being very

Sheltered staying in mice in like a you know safe

Box box for me.

I relate to that a lot.

Yeah, just like my safe space to not be, it's probably the reason why I don't share as much, just to not be judged or criticized or years of that takes a toll on you. And I think at a certain point you're like, okay, I'm gonna do A, B and C to just protect myself.

I'm like so drunk. No, everything I'm saying I like mean, but I'm like, wow, I'm gonna look back on this and be like, yours is not okay. But, and then, so I just, I don't even remember what I was talking about.

Anyway, I was very scared to do this and very proud of myself when I did it.

I'm so proud, I remember when I did it. I'm so proud. I remember when you did it. Yeah. I'm so proud of you. Who do you turn to for acting? I don't know if it's advice or just support

or like to give you that confidence that you need.

I think, well, before I officially, it was right around when Jesus passed. So I felt like I committed to it. And then I was like, wow, I'm in a really bad place. And I just don't know in a month from now, if I'll be okay to do this. I think it was like a month away.

And, but I still, you know, I was like, I know the director, obviously Aiden. So I was like in contact with him. And I'm like, I really want to do it. I hope that I'm in a better place. Like, just give me a chance. Like I'll get it together. And then closer to, I actually called Kim and I was just like, I know you're like in

your acting bag right now. And I just need a little like encouragement and some advice. And I read the lines to her like how I would say it and she was like you got you like you're saying it perfect

You got this. This is so easy What's your role or do you not want to give it myself?

Kill it. I can't tell you anything other than that. But basically it's major obviously obviously

Do you want to continue acting? I? Get in your acting bag I would do it if it was like the right

Was the right thing in the right role? bag? I would do it if it was like the right thing.

Was the right thing in the right role. OK, I would. I don't think I'm so. I would love to do something that was like, I think I'm I think I'm hilarious.

You are.

So I would want to do something that was like funny or I don't know.

I think it would have to just be the right thing.

What is your go to TV show?

I'm watching Task right now.

What the f*** is that?

Oh my God. You're such a loser. I'm such a loser with TV. So tell me, what are you watching?

It's fine.

Wait, let me just.

Because I'm watching Love is Blind, and when I get home later, I get to watch the wedding episodes. Have you watched them?

I haven't gotten into the recent season.

What?

Okay, so maybe I'll get into that after, but I'm watching Task right now, and I'm really into it.

What is Task about?

Task is about, oh, I'm like bleeding.

It's cool. You're bleeding? I have to pee so badly and I'm just like holding on.

Take a pee break.

I need a second to react.

Okay, I need to pee break. We are back. What are some of your silly and superstitious rituals you do? Because you are superstitious.

Sorry, I'm applying my lip liner.

That's okay.

Okay. Wouldn't you consider yourself superstitious? Sorry, I'm not playing my lip liner. That's OK. OK.

Wouldn't you consider yourself superstitious?

I think so. I just believe in like whatever you

believe in.

Yeah. So what are the three things you believe in? Like, I don't know. What are you trying to say? I'm trying to say that. Well, one of the crystals

I love. I love crystals. I still love crystals. Oh, D, loved.

Got it.

Okay.

But I wouldn't say like I... I don't really like leave them out in the moonlight and the sun and charge them and the whole thing, but yes, I used to be obsessed.

Yeah, you used to.

Okay.

So no superstitions?

I don't think so. I think I just don't really speak anything into existence that I, I will keep things inside my deepest fears in my head because I won't think of them. I mean, I won't say them out loud to other people.

I will say that's the smartest thing you could do. I don't care what you believe in. The tongue is so powerful. I agree. And whether we sing it in a song or whatever, that comes true.

Your body doesn't know if you're singing a song. Yeah.

It comes true.

I do believe in that.

Period.

When do you mute our family group chat? Like at what point?

You're not muted now, cause I got a new phone. You were always muted.

Oh, dis.

Just because sometimes when you guys are just... Sometimes we will be having separate conversations on the chat and it's like, I don't really need to hear this right now. This has nothing

to do with me. But so far, I mean, so far, no muting. Yeah, has happened. Your boundaries, I don't know, 10 years ago to now, have they changed?

My boundaries, personally?

Yeah. Yeah, for sure.

Right, and do you think, like, I remember how much we all used to get on court for the trigger word of boundaries. Yes. But now, especially that I'm older and like I have kids, I'm like, I'm eating my words.

Like I love a boundary.

Yeah.

Do you love a boundary?

I do love a boundary, of course.

And what's your favorite boundary?

That I have for myself, personally?

Like my kids' personal life, I guess.

I will say you in court are the best at having whatever boundaries, they're very different, you in court, but what your boundaries are,

just abide by them.

Yeah. Like I love that you guys aren't, like sometimes I get frustrated, I'm like, come on, or whatever, but I respect how you guys just stick to that. And you're like, no, I'm not bending for anyone.

And you don't feel guilty about it. I wish I didn't feel guilty about everything. I feel guilty about everything. When you're spiraling, who do you text first? When I'm spiraling, well, I'll call you a lot when I'm spiraling.

I love that. I do. I really love that. The last call was fun.

What was that?

The hair.

Oh, yes.

My daughter, True, had a really high temperature. I posted about it last Christmas, and it was so, so, so sad. True had 107 fever. Crazy. So crazy.

I never knew that if you had such a high fever for that long, months months later three months later It will cause significant hair loss true lost about Between 50 to 60 percent of her hair in volume. She still has hair. We took her to the doctors It was the most terrifying thing Kylie and I really were able to Talk about stormy had had an interesting hair situation,

and hair trauma is a big thing.

I think when it happens to you as an adult, you're like, okay, this sucks, I can process this, hair will grow back, I'll get some whatever extensions.

When it happens to your kid, it sucks. And you have to stay strong so they don't realize there's a problem. Of course, of course. And that's the hardest part.

Yeah.

I think that's the hardest part. I really do. How are you letting loose and finding your happiness these days? Like, what makes you happy? I have never been happier.

I love that.

Thank you.

And what makes you so happy? Just all the stars are aligning? All the stars are aligning and yeah, I don't know. I mean there's a lot. I think it's just also growing up, I think. And finding yourself and surrounding yourself with the right people. Everything. How do you feel about Kendall turning 30?

Kendall turning 30 really scares me.

Why?

I don't like it at all. But why don't you like it? Because you know you're next. Yeah. Yeah, I figured. Every time she gets to an age, I'm like, damn, I'm gonna be there soon. Not that I don't feel, by the way, I feel like 45. What? Yes. What do you

mean? I mean, I have two kids. I like have a million jobs. I have a business that just turned 10 years old. Like, of course I feel 45. What do you mean? That is so weird to me. Really? Yeah, don't you feel like I am that bitch? I have two kids. I have a business that was 10 years old.

What is 45?

I mean, I can't still feel like that bitch. No, I'm not. I'm that bitch and I'm 41. Exactly. But I'm just saying, when you're not 45 and you have all those things. Like, most people don't come into their own until their 40s, sometimes 50s.

No shame in that. You are that bitch at, okay, what was that? Under 20? Yeah, it's, I feel very young, but I feel very mature at the same time. I can get that.

So- I also think maybe because of that, do you get enough grace when you do have like a wild night out? I guess you guys don't, I think you and Kendall have always been really

aware.

I got it out during COVID. I will say I got it out.

What I was going to say is I think when you guys turned of age, society sort of changed a little bit. Where like the club life, the going out life, wasn't what it was when I was 21. So when you guys went out, maybe it was more private. But let's just say a bad photo of you guys like stumbling out of a location, which is normal,

we've all been there, came out. Like, especially if you're a mom and like you're like having a fun night out, other moms do it, do you feel like you get as much grace? Like a pass? Like why, you're a business owner, you're responsible.

I think I do.

Good, I hope you do.

Yeah, I mean it's rare to find us like, I can't remember the last, but I do think I get enough grace. Yeah.

I don't really pop out like that. Let's be real.

No, I know. But why don't any of us pop out like that? Because times are changing or because the eyes that are on us? I think I would just rather, rather not. Because I do feel like we get down and dirty at one of our houses. It's not like I'm dying to pop out, exactly. No, but we- I'm not like dying to pop out. Oh, I'm missing out on so much.

I just, I would rather just not do that. Yeah.

You wanna go to one-out tonight or something?

No.

I do think times are just changing.

One-outs don't even open anymore, you know that. I'm like, what? Where have I been? Sometimes I drive in the streets and I'm like, where did this restaurant come from? And that's how much I just don't know what's going on out there.

I think you just broke my heart a little bit. One oak is gone.

It's gone, it's something else.

That's sad.

I know.

What is your idea of a perfect Sunday? Perfect Sunday is in the backyard, in the sun all day with my kids, taking a walk, doing a puzzle, maybe a glass of wine at night, no gluten all day. No gluten, oh my, you are getting nasty right now.

No gluten, but maybe like a gluten-free cookie at night.

You better calm down. You need to really take a chill. Maybe like glasses of wine, white or red, however I'm feeling.

Are you a red or a white? Lately I'm a white. I know.

What, pinot, like what white?

The white kind of just gets me going.

No, but like. But Santa Margarita. Santa Margarita.

Yeah. Okay, talk to me dirty.

Say it to me. Say it. Santa Margarita. Ay papi, okay. In an alternate universe, what would you be doing if you weren't you? I would be a... I would be something super major.

Okay. Totally.

I would be like maybe the best makeup artist in the world. You f***ing would. I f***ing would. You f***ing would. I would be the best makeup artist in the world. You f***ing would. I f***ing would. You f***ing would. I would be the best makeup artist. Fun fact, I'm sure you remember this.

So Kylie, it's just not meant to be that Kylie ever does my makeup. Okay. We have tried, I know at least two different occasions over the past 10 years. One of them, Kylie and I were going to film.

We had apps together. You came to my house in the Oaks. We were about to film and mom got in a car accident.

My God.

Yes.

There was two other times that you were supposed to do my makeup on camera. Every time something crazy happened where you weren't able to do my makeup.

Well, I would love to do your,

I mean, like, we live right next door to you. I don't know what my point is. I think I forgot because I'm drunk.

But I'll do your makeup at any time.

Literally, call me.

Okay.

I don't know why I brought that up. But anyways, crazy. Truth or dare?

Okay.

Will you pick? Oh. I haven't played this in a while.

Truth.

First DM you ever sent to someone you didn't know. Oh, I know this one. You do? What is it?

I sent a DM, I'm not gonna say who.

Stop. I'm dying already.

To a guy for my for Stoss. Okay. So it was like, not for me at all. I've never DM'd a guy. But you know, I was pressured. Stoss was like, I like this guy. I'm obsessed. I don't know how to get to him. Text him my page. I mean, DM him my page. And I was like, whatever. That's my girl. What am I supposed to do? And did you do it? I did. my page. I mean, DM him my page. And I was like, whatever, that's my girl.

What am I supposed to do?

And did you do it?

I did. No response.

Oh.

I wanna call Stoss right now from your phone and be like, Kylie's in jail.

Oh my God, do it.

Wait, what do we say? Okay, you're gonna say. No, I need a prank. Okay, I agree. What is the prank? Wait, you want to know be so funny? Obviously. Okay, I've been wanting to do this for a while. Stop. Yeah. Tell me there's like a there's a tick tock trend where you were like people will call their friend and be like, Did you mean to post that on Instagram? Okay, that's funny. But I say that or you say that. Like imagine we FaceTime Kim, we're like, all you say is. Oh, Kim would cry.

Did you mean to fucking post that on Instagram?

Try Kim. It's just you, not me.

It's just me.

Just you.

But I don't want her to even see me

because then she'll see the photo. No, so just call her.

I'm gonna FaceTime her. Wait, did you mean to post that on Instagram? What? What you just f***ing posted.

What did I post? Well, look on Instagram. I'm just like, you should probably delete that.

What? What is it? I don't see anything. That pic of you. What pic? What pic, Kylie? I don't see anything.

We're just kidding. You're on the podcast.

Remember?

I'm like, what? I was literally going through my phone.

I'm like, what?

Okay.

Let's call mom. Oh my God.

Mom doesn't post. I know, but wait, did you mean to post that on Instagram?

What?

What you just posted on Instagram?

I didn't do anything.

What?

That picture of you. No.

It's like a selfie of you in the mirror and you're like not clothed.

What?

Show me. Tell me right now and get it down. You've got to be f***ing kidding. What am I wearing, Kylie?

Just be honest with me. Kylie, quit.

Well, I see your f***ing boob. What am I wearing, Kylie? Just be honest with me.

Well, I see your f**king boob. I'm calling Jen, gotta go, bye.

I feel so bad. Jen is gonna get yelled at. Jen, tell, call her back. Jen's gonna get yelled at.

Oh no, I feel bad she's not responding.

Look what she's not answering.

Okay, let's call Kendall.

I love this.

Wait, did you mean to post that on Instagram?

Kylie, don't do this to me.

The photo is weird.

Kylie, don't do this to me.

Kylie, do you think I'm...

Why are you a legend? Why are you a legend? Why are you a legend?

The smartest person you've ever met?

We're just kidding. Mom, it was a joke.

I texted you, it was a prank. We text you.

What? It was a prank.

You guys just lost my mind.

I'm sorry.

Kylie, oh my God. I just was shaking. I'm sorry. Kylie, oh my God.

I just was shaking. I was shaking. I'm thinking, how can I, I'm getting old.

How could I be so stupid?

Oh, I'm sorry. Oh my God, I'm turning into MJ.

Wait, did you mean to paste that on Instagram? What?

What you just posted.

You're such a liar.

Is this a prank?

How do you know? Your heart dropped a little bit.

Landon was like, you got scared for a second. I definitely did.

How did you know? You and Kendall are like cool as a cucumber. Mom and Kim are like...

Almost had a heart attack.

Yeah.

And then didn't call us back for five minutes. And we were trying to call her to tell her it was a joke and then she called us back five minutes later and was like, I can't find it. I can't find

it. I'm like, we're kidding. Wait, no, mom? Yes. Oh my goodness. No, you guys, you guys

had me for a second. For a millisecond. That, yeah, that's a good one. Did you know Court and I had a great chat and her and I are amazing?

Oh good.

I know.

I love to hear that.

I love you.

Love you.

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Okay, we have one last card and that's it. Never have I ever.

Okay.

Let's get crazy.

Please, never have I ever ignored a sister's call on purpose.

Do I have to sip?

Just a little.

So, I have?

Well, you're gonna have to sip probably the whole thing.

Okay.

Googled yourself on purpose. Well, yeah, gonna have to sip probably the whole thing. Okay. Googled yourself on purpose.

Well, yeah. I did that today.

Blame something I did on another sibling.

Yes. Okay. I'm not drinking anymore.

Yeah, you're gonna be drunk.

Okay. I've done that.

Faked crying to get something I wanted. I mean, no. Maybe when I was like three. Okay. Well, you still did it. Okay.

Have you ever been pulled over

and got yourself out of a ticket with an excuse? And if so, what was the excuse?

No, I haven't been pulled over in a really long time.

Me neither.

And when I did get pulled over, it was for the tents on my car.

Same. Anyway, what do you want to ask me? We're done here. What do I want to ask you? Anything you want to know about me. Why did you name it Chloe and Wonderland? Because my name is Chloe, that's number one.

And Wonderland is like Alice in Wonderland, you're falling down the rabbit hole. I like the strangest of topics from aliens to self-help people, like from Dr. Amen to aliens. So there's not, it's not one category. Every episode will be a totally different thing. And I want people to go down the rabbit hole with me.

I like that.

And you're just in a wonderland. I want us to always wonder, are you a flat earther or a round earther?

I'm a round earther, I think.

But honestly, I haven't had much thought or much research about it. I'm a round earther, and then Rob sends me all these things about flat earthers, and I'm like, hmm, do I think anything's possible?

Yes.

Same. I do think anything's possible. I believe in mermaids. I'd rather not worry about it. Well, it's not a worry of mine, too. I agree. I'd rather like do I live in Wonderland? Exactly. I would. Do I believe anything's possible? 100%. Do I care enough? No. I'm surviving. We've all survived here for thousands of years. Yeah. Whatever the earth is. Whatever it's shaped like.

We're good.

What are we gonna do?

Kylie?

You're my bitch, forever and always.

What are we gonna do?

What is the next step for Kylie? Like, not to scare you, but if Kendall is 30, that means Kylie will be 30 next. Okay? Just putting it out there. Just like a fact is a fact.

OK. What do the 30s look like for Kylie Kristen Jenner?

The 30s look like my children will be. Ten. And that's crazy. Yeah. I have a 10 year olds, but I think my 30s and my goal for the

next year I have. I mean, I'll have a 10 year old. But I think my 30s and my goal for the next year, I have, I mean, Kylie Cosmetics is my baby.

So let's like not age ourselves.

Yeah. Kylie Cosmetics is my baby. I have some more goals, some more things that I want to do for her. I think that's my main focus. I would do another acting job if it was the right fit. Love. And I do want to get back into the studio. I'm not saying I would release any new music, but I want to try.

Because why not try?

Why not enjoy life?

Why not try and just enjoy life? I think that's what. But no, that's just my. I think no f***s, if no f***s were given before, no f***s are given now.

Not a f***.

I love it.

Insight.

Not a f***. No, I don't really care what people have to say. I don't.

Not a f***.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I think I've had goals and dreams in my life and I just Why would I let anyone else's opinion stop me from?

living out Your dreams any dreams that I have You know what cheers to us Cheers and welcome and thank you for being on Chloe and Wonderland. I love you.

I love you. I love you.

I'm so scared to see this episode.