Oz The Mentalist Blows Our Minds | The Basement Yard #552

Welcome back to the base - Welcome back to the basement yard.

Today, me and Frank are on the same side, and that means that we have a guest.We have Oz The Mentalist here today.Hey!

Welcome, Oz!What's up?I'm in the yard, baby.He's in the yard.He's here to freak us the fuck out.

Frank has been sweating profusely since I walked in the door, for the record.No, I'm not fucking kidding.Profusely.

I'm not kidding.We - So, we got here.We're recording earlier than we normally do, and we got here, and we're, like, joking around, and they're like, oh, when he gets here, how's he gonna get in?

Yeah, cuz Greg's like we didn't tell him what floor it was, what the door code was, there's a code to get into this building.And then we hear the elevator and the door opens up, he's like, hey guys, I'm like, how the fuck did he get in here?We were like, there's no way he gets in without knowing the pin, right?

I know everything.

We joked around, we're like, if he does walk up, cuz we heard the elevator earlier, and Ant would just turn to his chair, and he's like, imagine he walks in right now, and then you fucking did that like five minutes later.Thanks for coming on.

Thanks guys.Thanks for joining us.

Equally parts excited and I am not kidding.I'm terrified.I was more I'm more nervous for this than I was for MSG 100 % I don't know why I'm like rattled.

I'm It's I've never seen like magic or or you know a mentalist up close So it's like yeah, I don't know what to expect dude.

Your brain is about to hurt tonight Your brain will hurt and you also do a lot of things that I've seen online that I'm like, that's amazing but I can't believe it until it happens to me.

That's what everybody says.I like the comments.I like the comments who think they've Jedi mind tricked me where they go, it won't work if you don't try it on me. I'm like, dude, you're one of like a million.Like, I can't try it on every single person in the comments.Yeah, yeah.And one dude's like, what's my pin?

I'm like, sixty nine, sixty nine.He's like, oh crap.And I'm like, how did you know that?I'm like, I looked at your photos, you pervert.Like, that was not even mentalism.That was just me knowing you based on what you've chosen to share with the world.

You famously guessed Joe Rogan's pin going to behis show.

I know.

And he looked like pissed off.Yeah.Was he like mad about that afterwards?

You know it's a three -hour podcast and that's like coming in real hot because I do that about 15 minutes in.So then you're like oh god we're gonna have to still be in the room for another two hours and 45 minutes.I mean I can talk aliens for a while but oh shit.Yeah.I think we broke through it at a certain point but I think he was weirded out.Yeah.

Because The best part is that you don't realize it, but in the moment, I'm like, oh, this didn't go so well, but it went so well because him getting mad is so real.People being blown away, you expect to be blown away.But when someone's pissed, you're like, there's no way that Rogan, hear me out, was in on it because like, what?I don't have enough money.I don't have 200 mil Spotify money to be like, Joe, just play along here, bro.Second, he had no idea it was coming.

It's not like if you set something up with him and said Joe, you know think of your pain There's no there's no setup, dude I came in the room and I thought we kind of shoot the breeze a little joke came in like yoked, dude I'm like, I feel like I'm nothing he's Muscles on muscles.Yeah, dude.He's like, let's go in and do the pot.I'm like, oh nice to meet you, right?

Like shake your hand and crushing much crushed it.Yeah, I see I tend to be more of I don't know if skeptic is the right word, but like I'm the biggest skeptic in the world Here's the thing.It's either I'm an idiot.Yep.Well, okay.Either I'm an idiot or you're legitimately magic and I can't fucking accept either of those answers I'm an alien and we're finally disclosing that they are real.

No, that's a good point Are you gonna be a great setup that would if I was an alien and they just brought me in and they said you know What let's get this guy to pretend to be a mentalist dude before we officially disclose you see it.

I didn't see it until it happened.because it was acted perfectly I watch on a plane.

I kept looking at the person next You ever like just like bump into someone on the plane and you're just like That like they come to take the order and be like they want a ginger ale pretty much With my wife on our first date and she was obviously not my wife at the time and she was not having it She did not like anything about it And I did a trick.This is my, this is my goal.You were doing mentalism on a first date?Yeah, dude.Come on.You got to come in hot.

So, because that's, why do you think I learned it?This is my go -to at a bar because mentalism is hard when it's loud Because you have to you actually have to watch people and you're learning a lot of reactions There's a lot that's involved with interaction.So it's like loud club and dark It's very hard to see people but I had a trick where you have your straw in your drink if it's a mixed drink which is more common than a beer for girls and I would look at the straw and I go watch this and I would just go like this and it would spin around the glass and they're like They're not sure they saw it then I would spin it the other way and then I snap and it shoots out of the glass So that usually was the was the who like the 29.Who are you exactly?

Yeah, dude, I marry you if you did that to me I don't know if I know just got moist for the record.I don't know if I'd marry you or just like fucking run out, because they'd be terrified.

She was somewhere in the middle, but she's like, can you please get me another straw?And I'm like, dude, what's going on right now?She's immune to my powers.

Be honest, how many times did it not work before it worked?

That trick is more of a magic trick.So that trick works all the time.That's more like in the realm of magic.But the guessing stuff and more of the stuff that I do now, the mentalism, a lot of it doesn't work as well at the beginning.

Can you describe the difference between magic and mentalism?

Mentalism is a form of magic.But it's almost as if magic evolved to a point where you no longer need props So, you know like again, this is I'm not trying to rag on anyone, but some comedians will use props Which is still funny as hell like carrot tops show incredible.Yeah, but it actuallyyou get like a purity where you can show up with nothing, you show up with nothing and you can do a show at MSG for 25 ,000 people.There's comedians who just, they show up, you guys crushed it, I don't know if you had props, did you have props?

Maybe, I don't know.You tell us!

So I feel like that's the most pure form of entertainment.Cause you are the show.It's you, it's your IP, it's your thoughts.It's your, the way you conduct yourself being funny.So magic, you go see Copperfield.He's got like trailers of stuff, right?

He's got boxes and you saw a woman in half and this elephant disappears.So mentalism is a form of magic where it seems like you're reading someone's mind or influencing their thoughts.And when you do that, the method, how I'm doing it, you kind of start to see the two combined.When you see a magic trick, you don't really know how I'm doing it.Do you see what I'm saying?You don't know how the card trick worked, you just know that somehow you pulled out the four aces after I shuffled.

But if I just tell you, think of a card, well, how could you know the card because I don't have cards?Like, here's a great example.Joe, let's mess with this.How many contacts do you think you have in your phone?Hundreds or thousands?Hundreds.

I thought you were more popular, but that's totally fine.Finally, someone else gets roasted for once.Thousands.Grab your phone out.

Oh, fuck.See, now here we go.This is where I'm going to get freaked out and forgive me if I curse at you.

Please, please.

There's no possible way.

Right.I've never touched your phone, seen your phone.There's no way I can know who's in your phone.They have to understand.I swear on whatever anyone wants me to swear on.So right now, scroll around, scroll around, and this is spontaneous.

Are you on context?I don't even know what you're doing.Yeah, okay.So I like to say imagine that we took a post -it note off.It's a visual.And that on the post -it note is written a name.

Now, it's not really written.We're pretending.And I hand it to you and you look down and you can see a name on this post -it and you go, okay.And you search.You seek this one person.Now, scroll through and this is somebody utterly random.

and and and go ahead and find me the person Who I just handed you an invisible post to know what their name on it.Can you go ahead and find that person?

I'm sorry.

I okay the longer it takes the better Well, I don't know.It's been about an hour, right?

OK, I have it.

I have it there.This is absolutely a random choice.Is that correct?There is actually no post -it note.There is nothing written.We're kind of making this up.

Yeah, I think it's a guy.Is it a guy?Yeah.If it was a woman, she would have been.There's always more of an excitement in the eyes.A twinkle.

Yeah.Picked a girl.All right.Again, the way you scrolled seemed like it was a conscious decision.And even though you will claim to your dying day that you pick this at random, I think there is a reason.Is it listed as a first and last name or is there is it different?

It's a first and last name think of this guy's first name put your phone face down.I'm not near you There's no mirrors.There's nothing I could see Count how many letters in your own head not out loud how many letters are in this person's first name count in your head?

Okay.

Okay.

See the eyes are the window to the soul.

My heart is power Yes, and so when people count an even number of letters it's different than odd just think of it like drumming there's a beat Four letters.The guy's name is four letters long, isn't it?I'm literally going to end this now.Right?It's four letters.Yeah.

Yo, yo, now I can't feel my feet.

There are more four -letter names do chat GPT than almost anything four -letter names ours five -letter names are slightly harder But four and five letters the hardest by far.Okay, because if you did like nine letters, not that many It's like Alexander look at me think of any one of the four letters right now Just any one of those four letters see it in your mind.Imagine it gets like bright like a neon sign just start talkingcan you see that letter see it in the word your eyes went to the last letter i saw you jump to the end you debated but i don't think you did it you're not thinking of the last letter are you no because you went to it and you're like and you went back d are you thinking of a d yeah you are right yeah all right close your eyes Close your eyes.

Oh, I have to get up and leave.I'm telling you right now.

I'm not I thought it was Dave I thought it was Dave the dude's name is David you call him Dave because you guys kind of boys keep your eyes closed Are you cover your eyes with both hands?People always say to me Frank.They say that I write stuff after like that's the good consensus.I'm I cheated Yeah, are your eyes closed Joe?Yeah, everyone can see this.This is written before he said a word He can't see it.

You guys all saw that right open your eyes and Swear to God, bro.I don't know you you don't know me You could have literally looked at any name in your phone right now.You could have anybody.What's this guy's first name?I don't want to say you don't have to I could turn around but they're not gonna believe me.Tell me what is it?

What's the first name?

Thank you cool fuck you Do we Yo, I swear to God, I know people who are watching this are going to think I'm full of, bro, I would, I, I'm not this good of an actor.Yo, I'm not kidding.

How many Adams do you know?How many Adams do you know?Two?Two?Okay, okay, hold on.How many, how many, wait, how many Adams, don't say, how many Adams do you know that he knows right now?

Cause you two are boys.Uh, one.

I only know one.

I bet it's the same one that he knows.I bet it's the one you know better.Uh, think of, think of his last name.

There's no way.There's no way.

Joe just his voice like he's about to cry.Does anyone hear it?

It's not the one that I would know.I don't think so Look this way me you think of the last name yeah What was the last time you played Scrabble?

It's an old school game, right?It's been years.Oh man, it has, yeah.So, imagine that in front of you are tiles.Yeah.And you know how the tiles have points?

Where like, if you got a Z, that's ten points.That's a good, that's a good letter.Right.So see this dude's name as Scrabble tiles in front of you.

Okay.

Alright?I don't know what the scores are of all the letters, but I want you to reach down, count how many letters are in his last name in your head.Just count in your head.

Please take longer.

See, you people could fake it.They'll go.Oh, but I can see in their mind.It's like it's like I can see the off switch.You counted, but it was longer than Adam, but not much longer.Five letters of five letters.

Yeah.

Yeah.All right.

Yeah.I can't.

Pick up one of the Scrabble tiles of his name, but try and do one that's more worth more points Like I don't know that letter that feels good like look at the letters look at all five Pick a letter up throw it to me I just caught it, I looked at it, all straight lines.One line, one line, K. Is it a K?

Yo, seriously?I'm not fucking around.What the fuck is happening?Yo, I'm - I'm - I'm - Kilch!

Adam - Wait, is it Kilch?Am I saying it right?Adam Kilch.

I barely know this guy's last name.I don't know who that is.

Who is this?Yo, I'm gonna throw up.

Yo, I'm not - Yo.

I'll be honest with you.I was so nervous coming in.

I'm gonna throw up I don't know what's going on man.

Yo, I I yo, there's something in my throat too.Is that a thing?

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You're welcome.What's the most, like, aggressive response someone has given to, like, something like this?Like, has anyone been like, yo, I'm gonna beat the fucking brakes off you.

Really?Yeah, so I used to work at restaurants.

Oh, okay.

Back in the day.I knew he couldn't come back.You want the chicken, you want the shrimp.I was doing magic tricks.This is my come -up when I was 13 years old I started doing magic kind of card tricks and what -have -you coin tricks stuff like that and then I was 14 my Hustle cuz I my parents were broke up.They got divorced and I couldn't I need to buy more magic tricks And you know, there's like magic shows.

Yeah former former kid, too, baby We got we're all divorced so everybody there's a there's a hole in my heart.

I'm trying to fill with something So I was doing magic tricks and my mom was like these tricks are expensive magic tricks like 50 bucks I don't have that kind of money.And so I had to start working and so she's like, do kids birthday parties.I'm like, well, I don't, you know, how am I going to get these gigs?You know, there's no, I don't have a website.This is, I'm older than you guys.And so I went, walked down half a mile to this local Italian restaurant by me, sweet talked my way into getting a gig where I was working three hours once a week and I would hand out business cards.

And so at that, at these places, what I would do is just, I would start to do these, What was the question you asked me?Because I lost my train of thought.Has anyone had like an aggressive response?So when I started doing that, I advanced and advanced.20s I kept doing this these restaurants and at one I used to work at someone that were mafia owned That were known in New York City I grew up in Michigan But this is in New York and they would have these parties where these dudes will come out of jail after being in for like 20 30 years I had one dude who came once he's like I would do a trick where I turn $1 bills into hundreds and And he wanted to take the $100 at the end.And I was like, no, dude, it's just a magic trick.

And so right then when he was about to take them, I snapped and they turned back to ones.And he was about to beat me up.He's like, where'd the hundreds go?And he's like, those were my hundreds.I'm like, no, they were ones, dude.He's like, no, they turned to hundreds.

They became mine then.I'm like, uh, uh, no, they're ones.And he took them on my hands and he's like, they're ones.And he wanted to like pat me down.I'm like, you aren't going to find them.And so I had to like, I had to find a very good way to sweet talking to, oh, you know, let me show you how I do it.

And then I turned one into a 20 and I was like.20 bucks I'll give this guy just not to get beat up.

I'm not kidding.My first reaction is just to be like, what the fuck?Because it is so beyond my level of comprehension, which might not be that high.I can't even focus right now.I'm not even kidding.I almost threw up.

I can't focus right now.

I really would like you to throw up at the next trick.

That would be very strong Yo, I'm not kidding We need that in the thumbnail Me going like this and Frank throwing up that would be amazing is this now I'm gonna ask maybe this is like to inside baseball of me to ask but like does this help I I'm a big comic fan and like me doing this yeah, so like so like when I see when I see perfect like professor I don't go like this.

I'm like some shit's about to go down so like if you walk into a room and you just go Stop that all of you I Have a funny story like that So I had a I snore a lot and I can't breathe out of one side of my nose little TMI But I had a septoplasty.Do you know when they like try to open up?a deviated septum?Okay, so this is dude.This is a throwback This is like 16 17 years ago They did that and you're supposed to not be walking around a bunch because your nose starts it's gonna reopen and bleed They have like sutured and I had a gig I got a gig like two days after this happened and I was like, I can't turn down the money I'm too greedy.So I'm like I'm gonna go do this gig even though you're not supposed to bedrest So I go do this gig and I used to do I do a ton of bar and bat mitzvahs just a ton back in the day And I would do a trick where I would bend a spoon I can still do it.

It's great, but I would take it's one of my kids favorites I look at a spoon and it just starts to bend like Magneto style.Oh, yeah So I'm at this bar mitzvah and I'm making this spoon bed and this is two days after and I'm doing this and I'm looking at it and all of a sudden I have cotton shoved in my nose because of I'm supposed to and all of a sudden I'm focusing so hard that blood comes down both of my nostrils and you hear three kids scream.I Bet you that is a core memory for you.Yeah, so right now when you said this they're getting like a traumatic experience PTSD remembering of the magician at their bar mitzvah who was focused so hard that blood started shooting out of his node knows while the you know if somebody sees this can they please write to me DM me if you were one of those kids at that party it's like some stranger thing she's on like 36th I swear to god it was so funny and they screamed and I was like oh no I'm bleeding Sick you just play into it like I should have fake blood coming on I know is what I'm hearing I think like if you could if whatever's going to help elevate it not that it needs any elevation because okay, okay Yeah, we're I mean ape the cape the hat You might as well.

I mean, what's all that feels a bit Dracula style?

No, what's wrong with that?

I don't know like whip the cape around or like a wand if I had your powers I Would be so what would you do Frank?I want to know what you do.I would be such a little bitch about it Yeah, I would like I'd have a cape and I'd fucking like was that cool?You know and just like throw it and guessing people's shit like that is

what so unbelievably I want to give you my powers like like like spider -man where you get the bite and then a week later you become a Mentalist just to watch you reference just to watch you use your powers.It would be bad It would you should make a video just Frank Alvarez aka the mentalist and just go around Brooklyn trying to read people's minds.Probably I mean my powers for good.You would just be rampant theft.Oh, yeah I had a show on NBC like what was this like eight years ago now a little throwback and One of the bits we did it was in January so frickin cold everybody shout out to it's called O's nose So that's how you know my name because it rhymes and you're like it looks like Oz knows but it's always nose So it came out on NBC pilot didn't get picked up.I don't know how it'd get picked up you Emmy award because of that so it came out and what we did we set next to a chase on Christopher Street and like 7th.

I don't know if you know that corner, the Village Cigars corner.And I would wait for people to come up, and we wouldn't even sign releases first.They wouldn't know what was going on.And I would say to them, excuse me, we're shooting a thing for a news channel about cybersecurity in your ATM pin code.Have you ever shared your ATM pin code?This is outside of the ATM that people are coming up to.

It's outside, they're kind of freezing.And they're like, no.I'm like, does your husband know, your spouse, your boyfriend, girlfriend?They're like, nobody knows.I go, it's very important you don't do easy numbers.I go, swipe your card, look at me.

And I did their code for them.Dude, just the clips, the reactions were so, some people didn't understand what just happened.They were just very confused.Like, wait, how did you, you know, what?And then other people looked at me and just, just like, just walked away.One dude got scared and screamed and like left and then wouldn't sign a release.

But then did 20 minutes later, he came back and he's like, are you the devil?Dude, it was so awesome.that special, but it was so funny If are you Frank just so we understand the takeaway Frank would have done that and then stolen all the money.Yes.

Well, I mean 16 year old Frank a thousand percent current Frank.

I have more of a got that YouTube money, baby Is it is it like are people just more predictable than We think people are more predictable.

People are also able to be, um, uh, like I'm able to influence your behavior so that certain people they'll get to a moment and you know, what will happen is they say, I changed my mind the last second.How could I even change my mind?I go, I knew you changed your mind.I got you to change your mind based on the speed at which I was talking.And when I slowed down and when I did certain things and when I. See how when I look there, all of you both look there.That's called misdirection.

When I just grabbed my water, both of your eyes, rewatch it in slow motion, looked over here.It was subtle.I'm looking at you now.I'm not looking at the water.I'm going to gouge my eyes out.It's subtle, but a magician learns early on that the hand is not quicker than the eye.

You think it is, but it's not.Nobody's hands are quicker than your eye.But what happens is if I can make you look away, At the moment I do the secret move, you don't see it.When an elephant is made to disappear, the elephant didn't really disappear.Spoiler alert.There's no real Santa Claus.

Sorry, but what happens is they're making you look at the wrong place at the right time.That's what we do.So I'm doing that, but less with your eyes and more with your brain.So I know the way people think.I've been studying it for 30 years.

I was going to say, have you taken like advanced psychology classes or like sociology classes or things like that to understand the human?

Yes, but they're mentalism classes.So they're mentalism core concepts because psychology doesn't really help me.Psychology helps me with group dynamics where people in a group act very differently than when they're alone.There's certain tricks that I do that you'd be like, oh man, could you do that anytime?No, I couldn't do it if we were alone.And you're like, why?

why and I go because you wouldn't behave the same way you don't realize it, but you will acquiesce to a group in a different way.You will feel peer pressure.You can get people to hurry their decisions.They will feel pressure from people around you.Like the people that are hardest for me to do this on are people that are very drunk.Sometimes people that I know sounds really strange, but on the artistic spectrum or that very levels of like Asperger's because they don't have social norms.

So their behavior and their reactions are different.They're out of sync.It's kind of like during covid.I would do tricks on zoom.And when we have zoom, that's out of alignment.If you're on a riverside, like one of those interviews on a riverside, do you want to talk about?

It's like zoom, but it's a slow zoom that captures it.I don't Greg knows it, the producer.But it's like if you're doing a I don't know how to explain it, but it's a Zoom interview, but it's not Zoom real time, because there's a little lag.It's almost impossible for me to do my job, because I'm watching you.It's like playing a video game with lag.You're going to suck.

I just got headshotted while I didn't see it.So it's the exact same thing.If you're out of focus or out of order, I can't respond, because I'm responding milliseconds.I'm watching you every split second to deduce what you're doing or what you're going to do.And if I'm out of sync by a second, it just tanks.I've messed up on those before.

like doing that 24 -7?

No.

So it's something you could turn on and off.

Fully you have to turn it on.

Okay, you ever meet another mentalist.I'm like kind of have to battle.

So I was just like Would you know like you saw each other you just sit at a table and neither of us talk and occasionally laugh and occasionally make eye expression I just look at you and I just laugh and then they look at me you get serious again.

You're like good one I guess that's kind of a good question though Would this be something that you could like tag team if there was another mentalist that you felt comfortable working with could you guys do like?

gigs and stuff together or there's a couple that have done it if you feel like Penn and Teller does are famously do it but it's not really a mentalist onebut there's, um, there's.There's, there's called codex, there's couple acts.There's one called mind to mind, a little shout out for them.They do an amazing where it's a guy and a girl actually happen to be married, but you could be in a different room and she could be blindfolded and anything you hold or look at, he says, what am I holding right now?It's like a driver's license.

What's the number?She's like eight, five, seven.How are you doing this?So it's, it's, it's, it's an act where one person can send and transmit thoughts to the other.I have the opposite.Literally, I can't send my wife anything.

She's like, I don't know what you're thinking You don't know what I'm thinking and I'm mad at you right now because if you're this good of a mentalist Why the hell didn't you take out the trash?

My brothers are twins and I I know the turtle Yeah fraternal twins and this might be because I'm not very you know, like woo -woo or spiritual meaning but like I I do believe that there is some form of like twin telepathy.I think that's true They I'm not kidding there was a story when we were younger where one of my brothers like in the middle of the night had to go to the hospital and the other one like didn't know what was going on like there was no way that they could have known my parents saw the story and The one that was home was just inconsolable for no reason didn't know the other one was like just and then as soon as they walked back in the door They were completely okay.And that's where I believe twin telepathy might be a real thing, but it still freaks me out.

So I could tell you it's a weird story.So I had a twin who was who died at birth So like a stillborn sorry to hear that.Thank you.I didn't know but my mom I appreciate my mom can only have twins.It's some strange condition I don't know how that like I'm not a medical person, but that's supposedly it fraternal twin So I have twin sisters, but nobody told me that I was a twin until I was 12 years old.She never told me It's like kind of a big detail to leave out.

Oh, you're a twin So I always talked about like imaginary friend having a twin it was to the point of creepiness where?Could I have somehow gleaned this from a hearing story?But I never knew, it was never told to me because they didn't really know how to address it and they thought it was too traumatic.And so I would always talk about, I have a twin, I have a twin.And like, I would tell people this, but no one was told that I had a twin.And so when she told me, it like all made sense.

It was like a puzzle piece that just suddenly clicked.

And so I can't explain that the way you talk about twin telepathy, but.Like have you absorbed his mental powers?I don't know.

I was I was a former twin So you and I are pretty much two in the same.

Yeah.

Yeah, so like yeah I was there's not much of a difference between us outside of just some how are you a former twin?The twin was gone.I was birth.No, it was it was pretty like it was like in utero in utero.

So mine was like until I a week before the ultrasound was still might have been medical malpractice but we were like in the womb until it was a very shocking death at like they didn't expect it was yours earlier but so it was like two i even had a new name which my name means brave and strong in hebrew because i was the one that survived my dad was like it's a battle of the wills i'm like that's a creepy way to say it but yeah you you took him out uh and so My name was changed to Brave and Strong because I survived when the other one didn't.Got it.Yeah.Wow.I don't know the details.

Didn't know we were going down this rabbit hole.I know.

Got real somber.Adam Kilch just came in.He's like, how do you know me, bro?

Bro, I am honest.I'm not over that.I don't know if I'll ever be over that.You know, speaking of childhood, childhood.

When can you pinpoint if I sent you a time machine back?Do you remember meeting Joe for the first time?

Uh, I can pinpoint it to like a week.So you kind of know a lot when you got, yeah.Yeah.Yeah.

Yeah.Yeah.

Adorable.Joe's like, I barely remember you.You see, you see, you see, you see, honestly, honestly, how do you deal?Wait.So, so if you can go back in time, You ready now when I say to somebody pick a name that's left brain.It's like mathematical seeing letters seeing numbers is left brain I'm gonna make you do this right brain close your eyes And you're gonna go right brain.

Here's what I mean by that.You're not gonna see letters or numbers I want you to start to see a face of someone where you go back in timeto childhood that if I said guess right now Joe I'm giving you three guesses to guess a kid from back in the day that Frank is thinking of boom number one got it wrong number two got on number three you don't even know how many guesses it would take but he would never guess this kid within his first three guesses maybe even more can you At this very moment, try to picture this kid's face.Can you see them in your mind?

Yeah.

Question for you.Do you know what they look like?Open your eyes.Do you know what they look like now?Have you hung out recently?

No.

So you don't even know how they look like now.You're kind of just going back to the memory bank.

I mean, I have a rough idea, but...Yeah, you know.

It's like you're seeing whatever eight -year -old kid with a beard like you.Okay, now, he's got facial hair.

All right.Is there any way, because...I like the haters.

The haters always say he did research before he got here.He must have been Googling them.Yo, is there any way that I could have researched this in advance and found out who you would have thought of real time, spontaneous?

I can't imagine there is a way you could have researched.

But even if we looked up everybody, how could we know who this would be?Because you didn't know who you were going to pick before I got here.

Correct.I have no clue how you could have come up with that.

So it's not like a researchable thing because you can't research where your mind spontaneously goes.

Yeah.And I famously have a pretty crazy mind.

Crazy mind, right?I mean, famous episode was talking about drinking pee.Like, nobody's come up with that.Risgods.All right.Here's what I want you to do.

I want you right now to think of this kid's first name.OK.Now, you before counted the letters and you see I narrowed it down because it's how many four letters.Then I got the name.Think of this kid's first name.

Yeah.

Think of his last name.

OK.

Most people ask which one is more interesting.They'll go last name because it's just normal.I think I think you think the first name is more interesting.Am I right?Or not really.You tell me.

Which one's more interesting to you?

Interesting in what regard?

You decide.you you're in the eye of the beholder Do you which one's more interesting?

I would say last name last things were interesting.

All right.No, I wonder how common the first name is Think of the first name.Yeah and quick the same way.He did it pick a letter in the name Okay, think of the first letter.Okay change.Don't do the first I do a different letter of the of the name Yeah first name stay with it.

Okay, not one.

Yeah, change your mind again different letter in the first name change it one more time He's having trouble.

Yeah, he started.I won.

I wanted to see you having trouble I wanted to see Joe cuz you're fucking firing off at me cook it up Frank not know what to do so like again if the name was really long you'd be like all right I got this I he started struggling the name right again is another short name I wonder I'm trying to feel it out suss it out.It feels like it's five or six letters I'm trying to feel this out five or six letters Okay, he walks through that door right now.You look him in the eyes.

You're a dude.

Where have you been come here?

Shake my hand and right at that moment you look at Shane is a chain Gorman, Shane Gorman, isn't it?

Yo, I'm not fucking - What the motherfuck is going on in here?Frank, yo, I s - I s - Yo, I was thinking of him.I was thinking of him.Yo, shut the fuck up, dude.Fuck you.How the fuck?

Yo, how did - like, yo, how?When was the last time we saw Shane?

For fucking no - Legitimately, like, probably second grade.Just spit all over your face.

Yo III don't know You guys you guys flew off camera.

I don't care about this way You know that you don't you know when something pops in your head you ever wake up from a dream and you wake up from a dream And you go dude and you forget it in like a minute But right at that moment you have a dream and the dream is so weird and you're like why I have this dream I got to tell somebody about this dream right now.Do you ever have that moment?You're like this is a crazy sure.I want you to imagine right now.You ready I'm just like throw something out crazy that you have you you see Shane Gorman now that he's in your head you might have a dream imagine Imagine you have a dream, okay, and Shane Gorman, you see this kid out of nowhere, you haven't seen him since second grade, okay, and in this dream, I don't know what's going on, but something crazy, you know how you have crazy ideas for episodes?In this dream, you have the craziest idea for an episode, one that's juggling around the back of your head, and you go, you wake up and you say to Joe, you go, Joe, I had this dream.

Remember we saw that mentalist?I had this dream because I thought of Shane Gorman, and in this dream, we were, and it's nothing weird, but something that's an episode, look at me, close your eyes, close your eyes.

Close your eyes.

Imagine this is something that doesn't really exist that's just in your brain.Close your eyes.Close your eyes.Joe, you look.You look.Come over.

Can you see this?Don't see.I don't know about this.This is crazy.And you go, this would make for a great episode.Open your eyes.

Spontaneous.Off the cuff.Pops you and you go, I didn't even know I would think about this.It would make an insane episode.What happened in that dream?What were you doing?

Say it.

We were like hanging out in a bath.

What was it?Just what's in the bath?

I'm fucking serious.I'm serious.

Yo, I'm literally

I can't, I'm not having fun.Time out?What the fuck is that?

That's the idea you came up with?I don't know, I'm just trying to think of something out there that would be crazy and if we were in just like mud baths, not together.You have your bath.Okay.We have our bath.

It's a little weird, but yeah.

Yo, how the fuck?

I bet you're gonna get a DM from Shane Gorman being like, bro, I'll do a mud bath at you now.

I can't tell you like there is I don't I don't There's literally no explanation for that.There's no explanation.That's absurd because even if you have like Even if you have these like tells or whatever you're giving first and last name how the fuck yo, I don't know how you did that I shook your hand and I didn't feel anything I That's when I stole your soul.

Oh my god!Give it back!I'm astounded.Wait, you were thinking Shane Gorman too?Yeah!Why?

I don't know!And now I don't know, bro!I'm not in control anymore, I don't know.

Bro, this is insane.Alright.

I was like, because you're like, think of someone or whatever, and I was just trying to think of an example like playing along in my head.And then I'm thinking fucking Shane Gorman.

And you know what's weird?I met him the same time that I met him.That I met you because remember how we started off with like a you guys met can you pinpoint it down to yeah?And it was within the parameters of when we met there's layers to this one.

There's layers.You're just being quiet over there, dude I'm letting you unpack all this What the fuck like the idea that like?like the way that I can kind of like make sense of this is like a Sick amount of research, and then you know obviously the truth isthe whatever but that name I don't even I don't even know if I could find him like I don't know if I don't have him on Instagram I don't either I haven't I haven't seen or spoken to about anything with this kid you know this is like there's no explanation there's no explanation but how would we know that you would have thought of him and then the craziest thing is you said I'm gonna pick somebody he'll never guess either and then jumped in both your heads at the same time.

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Where do we go at both?I am scared and impressed and a little like I want to beat you up.Can you?

I can outrun you is the issue.First of all, you look like a runner.Yeah, you look like you're a runner.

I saw that you do marathons and ultras, and you did bad water, right?

I did bad water.Do you know what that is?I do know bad water.It's hot.What's bad water?Bad water is a great segue here from Shane Gorman.

But did you guys pee your pants?I was waiting for that.

There's going to be bad water in my jeans in a little bit.I'll tell you that.

That was soft.Bring that in.

No, no, no.

I don't know what you're going to take next.

I don't know what you're going to take next.As soon as our knuckles touch, I get the rest of the info.135 miles, so it's kind of fuck.Yeah, it's like five marathons in a row More than that in the hottest place in the world, which is Death Valley in the middle of the summer So when I started the race was a hundred twenty four degrees So when you think of Phoenix or Vegas and you're like melting that's 110 That's cold compared to this and then you're running on a road so that the heat they take that you know The gun that like measures how your temperature they do.Yeah, I think you can melt Like, you can melt rubber on your shoes if you hold them against the road.The black asphalt gets over 200 degrees.

You can cook an egg on the hood of your car.

It will cook.

So you're supposed to run on the white lines to not melt your shoes.And you run 135 miles.

So, I mean, you do stuff like that.You keep yourself in good physical shape, I assume.So, like, does that help?I think it helps mentally.If you're, like, not feeling well, you got a cold or something, is that going to, like, hurt what you do?

You mean for performing?Yeah.I don't think so.I'm pretty, my, this immune system is strong.I have five children.The disease is just - Five kids?

Holy shit, dude.135.How long did it take you to do that?28 hours.Non -stop?I slept for about 10 minutes.

Why do you even say that?Just say non -stop.How do you even do that?

How old are you both?34.34, yeah.I knew that.This might be beyond your time.This is your just like five years forward, but old school NES, Nintendo.

Oh, I got one in my house.

Old school Nintendo.The cartridge is not working.So you got to take it out.You have to blow on it and put it back in.Yeah.Do you know that move?

Yeah, of course.I liken it to that with my brain.So I at night and my friends will make fun of me and call me like a big pussy because I get very loopy at night if I don't sleep versus I have friends in ultras who can go like two days without sleeping, not necessarily healthy, but they don't, I... just become a total bitch at like three or four a .m.where I'm like, oh, I'm so tired, like, dude, just keep running.So I have to, if I sleep for even five minutes, it's the Nintendo, put it back in, my brain resets.

So it does this weird reset where I get up and I feel better, and then if you ever, which I doubt you'll do, but if you ever sleep for a day, a night, and then into the next day, the next day your circadian rhythm kicks in, and the next morning you kind of feel better even though you haven't really done anything, and then the next morning I feel much better to run, continue running.

That's insane, when did you do that?

I did that race a long time ago, pre -kids.You got a fact check this I think 2010 or 11, but I try to do at least 100 miler a year But my career has been super busy lately, so it's like, but I always do a marathon Runners first of all I ran seven miles yesterday.

That's pretty awesome.This is great.Yeah 135 school you ever do it in the desert I don't think she's in Death Valley.

You're like as you're like coming up behind someone like you're gonna pass them You're just like oh you're the high school boyfriend Dude four years ago.

I ran around Central Park more times in a day than anyone ever had I broke the record I did a hundred and sixteen miles around Central Park Yeah, you know you know that you're running from something I am oh

so I did that it made the front cover of the New York Times.

I have this thing frame It's pretty awesome And the the takeaway here is when they were writing that story shout out to my buddy Adam Skolnick who wrote the article another Adam He's in the room.He called me at mile 84.Okay, so mile 84 I've been running for a fact check at like 12 or 13 hours and he calls me while I'm on FaceTime with him There's about 10 people behind me Guess the name of his first crush while running at 13 hours in 84 miles, and he's freaking out like how did you know her name, dude?I'm like put that in the articles like I'm scared of you right now.How are you doing while running?His first crush his wife is in the background.

She's like who the hell's Katya.You know it's like What what was the inspiration behind doing the loop So that's, I'll keep a long story short, but I was going to run this race, um, in North Carolina and I'd been training and I was all fit.And then dude, this billionaire calls me, he was a client of mine and he goes, he called me a week, two weeks before this, I'm supposed to run this race.My two, my buddies are coming from Chicago to cheer me on.And I signed up and everything.And he goes, yo, I want to hire you for a gig that night.

I'm like, can't, you know, my manager's like, can't he's he's booked.He's doing a race.He's like, no.How much do I have to pay him?"And we're like, no, no, he's not.He's not going.

Hung up the phone.This dude did not like the word no.Calls back with a new offer.Calls back.At this point, it became a power struggle.Hell yeah.

Of just, I don't like hearing no.So then I tell my manager, tell him this amount.And she's like, that's obscene.You know, you're going to ruin the relationship.I'm like, but I want to go run the race.My buddies are coming.

It's all planned.And so she ends up charging half of that amount.which still was the biggest payday I'd ever gotten to date for going in an Uber for 10 minutes.And right within 30 seconds of her texting him the number, he said, yes.I'm like, damn it.

So it's like the worst feeling to be annoyed, but also the best payday.You're like, at the same time, you don't have to struggle with that.

So a couple of days later, a buddy of mine who actually lives in Williamsburg, Brooklyn said, Tom Knight goes, you know what, man?so fit Why don't you run around Central Park and try to break the record?I know that was a thing So I looked it up and a guy named Robbie Ballinger good friend of mine now had the record of running the most loops run So this is like a thing people do this to see how many loops you can do while Central Park is open from 5 a .m To 1 a .m.And then they close the park cops kick you out anyways I decided to do this.

I decided I'm going to do this for charity, for Save the Children.I put up a thing.I've never hit people up for money before.Money piles in, man.We raised over $116 ,000, which is amazing.

Wow.Didn't you also run 116 miles?

I knew that would happen.Yeah, so it worked out.I broke the record.And this all came together where I said, I'm so fit.So I did this a week later.It was exactly four years ago.

And I need a new challenge, man.That same year, I ran from Montauk to Manhattan.And I broke the record of crossing Long Island by foot on the hottest day of the summer, August 4th, I believe it was.It was the single hottest day of the summer.1010 Winds interviewed me and they were like, dude, you know it's going to be.Like 90 degrees, literally the hottest day of summer.

They go, are you going to quit?I'm like, quit.I'm like, that makes it so much better.Like something's wrong with you.Yeah.I agree with 10, 10.

But now, anytime my kids are complaining, if we drive from like Montauk back home, they're like, dude, this thing's long.I'm like, you don't know the half of it, bro.When I was a kid, I ran.

Yeah.You're like the worst with that probably.Like back in the day, it's like, I used to walk two miles uphill.You're like, I ran 136 miles.

You said you started doing this around like 13?13 is when I started.Were you just like cheating on tests?

I can neither confirm nor deny these allegations, Frank Alvarez.

I'll tell you, a 13 -year -old Frankie, I am fucking cheating on every test that I have.

Every single one.You like look down at this question, A, B, C, D, and then you look at the teacher and you say, oh, could you just look at these tests for me and look at me?

B, got it.Yeah, got it, got it, got it, got it.Yo, I came up with B in my head.What?I said B when he was saying A, B, C, D. All right, well, this is..

just like astounded.Honestly, I am.Do you run every day?

I don't run every day.There's people who have streaks and they do that.I have too much.There's the the.between career, uh, remaining married while traveling and not, you know, juggling five kids.And it's very, and I have two kids that are still in diapers, even though my two year old is being potty trained right now.

So, uh, we have like a, just a staring match of me staring at her being like, please don't crap on the rug.No, we've, we have a 11 month old and a two year old.There's just a lot of, a lot of kids.So the short answer is.Once the kids are sleeping, I can get back into a rhythm of like running in the mornings.And when I travel, shockingly, I run way more because I'm gone.

When I'm home, it's hard to sneak it in.Like this morning, I got back yesterday at 1 a .m.I was in Austin, Texas for a gig, another podcast.And then, uh, I got back at 1 a .m.

I was like debating can I wake up at 530 but it just didn't happen to go run so I feel see I feel like a loser this morning Joe thanks for bringing that you wake up at 530 to run I woke up at 530 to play MLB the show there's a clear there's only so much similarity so many similarities we're pretty much the same person yeah but how many miles will you do like on any given day I would love my my Like my comfort run is like going to run 20 miles.

Like that's what I enjoy the most.I like to run minimum 10 miles or I don't feel like I really did anything, but that's everybody's different.Their bodies are different.

Do you consider yourself like a very disciplined person?And does that have to do anything with your...

I'm so rabidly ADHD, but the running takes my mind and it slows it down.And right now, because I have so much media, I'm in a, when is this coming out?

Do we know?

And so it's it's it's gonna be hopefully a big thing.He's gonna lose his mind with you Yeah, I hope he throws up like you were about to I this is gross What was I gonna say?I need time to come up with stuff like our finale the thing I'm gonna do for you at the end I came up with Last night on the plane from Austin at 11 30 p .m.Where it just the puzzle pieces came together You're watching the usual suspects great classic You know when he like drops the glass and it says Kobayashi and like the whole thing Kaiser Soze and Kevin Spacey just like he stops the limp Sorry for everyone who hasn't seen the movie just ruined everything and he just you realize in your mind book.That's what I like I like those moments where Your mind is blown.

You're freaked out.Oh my God.But then at the end, there's this shock ending that you can't believe.That is, that's like my chef's kiss when it comes to mentalism.

Has anyone ever like offered you money to, to like you to tell them how you do it?

Many people like the FBI.Oh yeah.You could be, you could be a great, like with the CIA or something like that.I can't really say whether the CIA has reached out.I'm not going to say that publicly, but FBI, law enforcement, many, many lawyers.

Do you think you could actually, like you would be an asset there?

Okay.So I, I, it's very important because I, what I do, it's very important ethics.So like right off the jump, and I usually say this, I am not supernatural.I don't pretend to have psychic abilities.And the key ways to know that is that what I'm doing is learnable, repeatable, and it's based in science, which means there's a method I could explain.Now it's important to understand why I'm saying that learnable means I could teach you to do mentalism.

There are books or videos.Most psychics cannot teach you how to be a psychic.There isn't a workshop that's like, okay, now you can talk to your dead grandma.It's not repeatable.Right now, talk to my grandma.I want to ask these three questions.

Give me these three answers.Very rarely can any psychic do that for you effectively.And then lastly, what's the science?I don't know the science behind being a psychic.Am I telling you that psychics don't exist?No.

I'm being agnostic because I think I'd be like a bit of an arrogant prick if I said no psychics exist because a lot of people have experiences that I can't explain.But when Ibeen around most psychics that I've seen, witnessed it myself, I can explain how they're doing it for the most part.Like I can see the tricks that they're doing that overlap my tricks.Now there may be psychics that when you tell me they do it and they do it and they're doing a real thing and I don't know how, but I can recreate many of what psychics do with what I do.Does that make sense?

Yeah.So that's a long answer to give you like a disclaimer and asterisk of these are not superpowers as much as Frank wishes they were.Sorry.

Why can't they be?

So could I help you if you're an FBI agent profile people?I think that I could help you with certain things that aren't what you think.They wouldn't be micro expressions.They're not body language reads because I'm doing my thing in a very specific situation built on entertainment, not built on giving away Somebody who committed a crime that might kill you.Yeah different environments.Okay, but The same tactics that I use of building rapport, building trust, incremental changing, then moving you back, watching benchmarks.

So the way people behave, if you observe them over and over and over, that's why like interrogations, you do them over and over and you wear people down.You can start to see patterns of what works and when they're telling you the truth, they're lying.The same thing applies in what I do in a certain way, but not for nefarious purposes.Does that make sense?Yeah, absolutely.Could I come in and help the FBI in a certain way?

I believe that maybe I could but the percentage isn't what you think you'd be like Oh, man, you're gonna solve crimes.I'm gonna give you 90 % advantage I might give you single -digit percentages because I'm bringing it from a different lens of how mentalists work Which again is done for entertainment I'm not claiming to be the world's best body language reader and a lot of what I'm doing is deception But a lot of what hostage negotiators do is also built on deception.Of course, we're gonna get you a jet.Of course, we're gonna get you this.You want pizzas?We'll send them in.

You're lying in a certain way to get people to believe you, establish trust, and then con them.I'm an honest con man.Like when I guess, Shane Gorman, I'm not.stealing money out of your bank account while I'm doing it I'm just giving you a fun moment.

I can't fucking believe has you throwing up and Joe peeing his pants lightly What about I guess you could you kind of answer that question I was gonna say like I think famously there's a story of a guy that like forgot his Bitcoin password Yeah, like been trying to I can only do that if he knows it.

Yeah.Yeah, that was no way that I could get it if you don't know it Cause that wouldn't be the skill that I have.

But you legitimately, if you ask someone to think of something, you can like read it.

Typically.Yes.Like within parameters, but like, it's not like anything, but I like to lean into what people like.Where are we at Trey?Are we entering finale territory?Yeah, I'd be down for it.

I don't know.

I can rattle off a few more questions.Let Frank know.This is really interesting because I'll hit you with my best shot.

Don't I have a full transparency?You have a question?Oh, OK.What's Antonio?What was it?Love that.

What was the like weirdest thing someone attributed your power to?

So I like to do things.What really?Shout out to Greg, by the way, who has a book over here.Going to pick that one up.But I have a book.I'm not trying to hawk it, but I want the reason I'm telling you this is because the book tells you a lot of the core skills that I use, because if you're watching this, you're entertained, I hope.

But the reason I wrote a book had nothing to do with teaching how to be a mentalist.There's books on that.There's videos.That's not like that's a point zero zero zero one percent of the population.There are certain skills that I have that even if I quit being a mentalist tomorrow, I could use in any career that I that I have, because there's certain overlapping skills of like, how do you win people over?How do you become memorable, right?

How do you have superhuman confidence?Walk into a room, perform in front of 13 ,000 people at MSG, right?You, 20 years ago, would have probably crapped your pants.Frank still occasionally craps his pants.You know sharding is totally within the You're wrong on that I can detect deception from a mile away that was a hard sneeze earlier Wet sneeze.So when you ask me and you say that question of like, say it again.

What do they attribute the skills to?So I, the skill is the same of guessing a number, a name, but I repackage it in a certain way.So here's what I'll do.I will do something memorable that the other person will always talk about.Talking about your childhood best friend is way better than if I told you pick a card and I guess ace of diamonds.It's just not the same level of emotional connection.

I will meet people and if they're pregnant, like a woman's pregnant, I'll be like, Do you know the name you're going to name your child?And she's like, oh, and I will guess the name.before they even do.And they'll literally keep it and put it in a scrapbook.And I've met people who 10 years later, like, this is Dylan, you guessed his name.And I'm like, I know that.

And I look at him like, Dylan, you were almost about to be Trevor.

And she's like, how did you know that was the other name?Right?And she's like, and the husband's like, dude, get away.

He's like, stay away from my wife and my kid.And so those types of things, they're attributing a power to something that's different than what I'm actually doing.Also never underestimate the power of guess, which is, you miss every shot you don't take.So I've done certain things that I can't explain.I don't know how they worked.I don't believe I'm psychic.

I don't believe it's supernatural.I don't think it's twin telepathy, but I've iterated so much and I've done stuff that sometimes I get a feeling and I trust my instincts.Do you play ping pong ever?No.So the reason I mentioned ping pong is when you're in a good rally, you're not even thinking.You're just acting.

You're just like, dude, how did I even make that shot?If I tried to make that shot again 100 times, I wouldn't make it.But right there in the moment, I just made it.So there's that weird thing where you get in this flow state where I can sometimes nail things that I can't explain to you later.I don't know how.How confident are you going into like like this?

this last trick that we're going to do, how confident are you that you're going to get it right?

I'm not a hundred percent.There's too many moving pieces right now.Everything I've done so far is like, I can juggle three balls that not an innuendo, like just, uh, I can juggle three and I can juggle four.That's like the amount of clown tricks I can do for my kids.I've tried learning juggle five.But it's like really tough and I miss or closing your eyes and juggling three right now I'm going into territory of closing my eyes and juggling three because you're gonna see there's all watch this I like Scenarios scenarios are interesting because that's where your mind starts to go now.

You guys are both into sports.Yeah, right How did I know that he's wearing a Jets hat?He's like, how did you know that?So when I walked in here, how much time we had, we had like two minutes when I walked in, you were all freaking out.You're like, did you give him the door code?I didn't give him the door code.

We were legitimate.And we talked about while we were getting miked up, I want them to know the precursor because people go early.Like, oh, is this set up?There's no set up.I got here right before.But you mentioned that you had thrown a pitch at the Padres game, right?

And we're talking about you should throw a pitch.We talked about a little bit.We talked about how bad my pitching skills might be.I want you to imagine, because the conversation always goes when you watch sports TV, ESPN, they always talk about who are the greats, who are the greats of sports, all different sports, dead or alive.And you start comparing, you start doing the, in my day, would this person, how would they size up?So here's what I want to try.

I want you to imagine, okay, that you're going to go first.And I'm going down the gamut of sports.Football, basketball, baseball, hockey, soccer, like all different sports.Boxing, like I'm watching your eyes, trying to react.But one of the greats walks through this door.You see this person walk up right in front of you.

I'm giving you a marker and I want you to hold it under the table so there's no way I can see and write down his name.It's a guy, right?It's a guy.Write down his name, but it's a guy.Okay.And, and as soon as you're done, keep it in your lap or better yet, put it against your chest.

But so there's no way I could see it or put it in your lap just so we know you can't change your mind.

Okay.I'm good.

And swear to God above that this was an absolutely random choice that you made.I did not tell you who to pick.Right.I, we had all those sports, but you could have chosen from any of them dead or alive.Hold on.Now, Joe, Joe, at this moment, I pose the same question to you, but you don't decide who walks in this room until I snap my fingers.

You don't decide until that moment.Deal?

Okay.

Okay.You do not know who it's going to be yet, do you?

No.

Okay.Watch, watch.It's only when I snap my fingers, right now, you look through and right there, snap.That's when you make the decision.You see this guy right there and you go, oh my God.Now, in your mind, look at this person.

Look at me.All right.Think of his first name.Think of his last name.Now, he now knows how I do the stuff with the names, how long the names are.So he kind of has a, oh, look how he's getting tense.

He's like, oh God, what do I do?Don't do it.He doesn't know what to do.Joe's just mad.He's like, I don't know what to do with my hands.All right, think of the first name.

That felt short and quick.That felt like one syllable.Jump to the last name, two syllables.I said dead or alive, dead or alive, dead or alive.Think of the last name, just the last name.Think of the first letter of the last name.

He's not breathing.Go to the second letter of the last name.Okay, last reaction.When you say a vowel, I want you to understand the vowels, there's five of them.A, E, I, O, U. When you say a vowel, you have to open your mouth.mouth phonetically somebody who reads lips, you know They watch you have to open your mouth watch a e i o u you can't try to say an e without opening your mouth You can't do it.

You were trying not to the last name the second letter because I was watching you.It's not a vowel Is it it's not correct because I was watching trying to keep your mouth closed And when I said greats, you know what you went with you went great tist Goat, are you thinking of Tom Brady walking in this room?

I fucking hate this.

Be for real, be for real.Are you thinking of Tom Brady?I am thinking of Tom Brady.For real, for real.And you ready?I said dead or alive.

And I know, tell me, just so I know, what is your favorite sport to watch?Football.It's football is your favorite sport.Yeah.But...Power of suggestion.

Why'd I mention you throwing the ball at the Padres?Why'd I do that?Was that for fun?Nothing's for fun Frank because I Planted a thought in your head when you were debating you were you were when I said dead or alive You didn't decide right when you said and I snapped you saw Tom Brady But moments before that you were about to go somebody else dead baseball Lou Gehrig was the other person you were about to say am I right?Am I right?That was the other one your head.

Yeah Right over here right over here I Think I think Frank wanted to stump me Frank even though he said he I picked it at random There's no way I think you want to stump me So I don't think you did football because I said jet even though it's random you you're not doing football And then you looked at this man, and I'm not saying it's a weird way, but you found him handsome Exactly exactly nothing wrong with that and you looked at him and in your head.You know if I picture Tiger Woods I wear I always picture wearing a hat you don't see Tiger without a hat you saw this guy with the headband.Raphael Nadal, turn it around.Is that what you wrote down?Is it Raphael Nadal?

Raphael Nadal!

Yo, get the fuck out of here, dude.Joe, Joe, let me ask you a weird question.Can I ask you a weird question?Do you know Raphael Nadal's birthday?Do you know it?No.

That'd be super weird if you did.Am I in agreement?Yeah.Grab your phone.

This continues?I feel like crying for some reason.I don't know.Like, I'm like...I'm gonna throw up.

This is like...Google it.Google it.I'm just so curious.What is Raphael's...Birthday Rafael Nadal's birthday.

You could Syria whatever you want Grabbing the marker, please the marker.

What's his birthday?Yo get the fuck Do you want me to tell you or you want me to just know it?No, no Tell us what what month and day month is June day is three.

Does that have some bearing to you?

Okay.

Okay.So June 3rd your football fan What's let's piece this together 6 3 June 3rd you agree with that?Yeah 6 3 6 3 First person you picked Tom Brady.What's his jersey number?12 12.That's right TV 12 Lou Gehrig.

What's his jersey number for is it for I believe it was for do you want John fact -checker?I'll fact -check it, but I'm 90 % sure famous Yankees player first baseman I'm pretty sure because the two biggies we got right we got Mickey Mantle seven.

Yes, it was four twelve four six three Does that mean something to you?

Does that mean something to you Joe?No, no Rafael Nadal I said birthday his birthday is June 3rd.That is his favorite day of the year I assume right but birth date You only have one a birth date is the month day and year that you're born, right?See I'm saying Joe 12 ,000 463 gentlemen take a listen here

birth date is the day you're born what was the date 12 ,000 463 days ago it was Tuesday February 25th 1992 I'm gonna have a heart attack wait a minute fucking call an ambulance 9 -1 -1 yo yo also I'm old 12 ,000 days but I don't even have a word to say yo I'm not kidding yo that's insane that's insane I'm glad I wasn't on the receiving end of that because I would have fucking if I were you I would go home and pray I don't even I don't know what I believe in but pray to something.Can you say what can you say after that?This was my birthday fucking and there's no I don't know man.

Congratulations You have done something that no one has probably ever been able to do we are absolutely Speechless and dumbfounded you found you found our dumb.Yo, I I am I don't really know how that's possible.

person at random his people at random and then making it do that is like I'm like okay like I'm I'm thinking of Tom Brady that's not that crazy that's not a crazy thing whatever I get Tom Brady I'm like cool finale I don't know about that I like Shane Gorman more than you Rafael Nadal Rafael Nadal is crazy I'm gonna.Congratulations.

Thanks, boys.That was unbelievable.I don't know.I want it.

I can't.What do I say?Nothing.There is nothing to say.They're befuddled.These guys talk for a living and they are done.

I got nothing, man. I got really I got nothing.That's that's incredible.

I want to throw.

What is with that?I don't know.That's a weird reaction.I don't know why.Has anyone ever thrown up because of something like this?Dave, a lot of people have cried.

Yeah.Definitely some people have lightly peed their pants.Right.Some people have wanted to strangle me. I don't know about the throwing up, but maybe.

That would be great to get on camera.That is shocking, dude.I famously have only thrown up twice in the last 20 years.

Do you throw up out of your mouth and nose or just your mouth?It hasn't happened enough to be able to.

Oh yeah, you've thrown up like twice in your life.

Yeah.That's it?I mean not in my entire life, but in the last 20 years, twice.You never threw up from drinking too much?One time.Wow.

One time.Did you ever throw up from drinking?Come on now.Dude.Yeah.

It's called my whole 20s.ifI couldn't keep any food down, and then we just kept running and throwing up.Oh you were running while this is Okay, what's your resting heart rate?

It's about 42 42 are you alive?That's mine when I'm asleep probably 42 what are you pacing at these days?Oh?What are you pacing at?

Running?Yeah.I don't know.Not that fast.It varies.I run like 7 .30, 8 .30s.

Okay.

I mean, that is fast, but I didn't know if you were going to be like, oh, 4 .30 or fuck you.

I just pace Kenyon.That's pretty much it.

I mean, that's a pretty good pace.At what accuracy, I'm not putting you on the spot here, but what accuracy would you say that you can guess if someone's thinking of a number between one and 10?

Pretty high.

Really?

Yeah.I mean, that's a culture.

We're not gonna put you right now.

We're not gonna put you on the spot.Yeah, he fucking did this Guess a number between 1 and 10.Yeah, I don't be Chef to make chef boy RD.Yeah, exactly.What the fuck you must be absolutely awful to play rock -paper -scissors with pretty bad What am I gonna throw out right now rock?

Do people when they like recognize you on the street, they're like guess my pink goes so shockingly No, I people are pretty cool about it.

Um, it's very funny I had one guy who we were on we were at JFK This guy's gonna hear this shout out and it was like he so we literally were going on escalators opposite directions of each other Yeah, do you understand?So we're moving apart and I'm I'm Texting because I'm trying to get let me text I'm trying to get like an uber cuz I got from a flight and he goes yo And and I'm like, and I don't even does he say my name, right?It was yo, yo, and I'm like, yeah, and I turn I was all the way What's my pin code?I go what you couldn't get it loser?Exactly three seconds.What's my pin code?

I'm like, I don't know that he's talking to me.Do you understand this?No, you were a loserI'm not kidding.Cracked up so hard.Whoever you are, that was a great heckle.

Dude, last night I texted them.That's the only time it's ever happened.Last night I texted them like, I kind of am.like want to change my pin code.Can I plug something?Absolutely.

All right, everybody, you can see me in action.May 2nd.I'm at the Wynn in Las Vegas.Tickets are up for sale right now.Go to my Instagram.Go to my social at Oz the Mentalist at Oz the Mentalist.

If you are East Coast based, basement yard, baby, the Borgata in Atlantic City, June 5th.So come see me at the Borgata, June 5th, May 2nd, the Wynn.

Amazing dude.

Thank you so much for coming on this amazing.

I am not one more plug if you can July, New York City I'm shooting my Netflix special here local hometown, baby So everybody come we're shooting a Netflix special gonna be two shows back -to -back come get tickets for that show It's gonna be incredible.Oh, not only you're gonna be in it, but you might be on Netflix for everyone to see worldwide Congratulations, you guys come Shane Gorman comes and I love everybody.

I'm so successful to this kind of stuff.I'm gonna make this special I don't know, man. I'm I'm a little.This is amazing.This is unbelievable.Truly like.Thank you.

Thank you so much for coming.

What a crazy thing, dude.Thank you so much for being on.Go follow him.Oz the mentalist on Instagram, TikTok, Facebook, everything, everything.

Oz the mentalist.I'm already in your feed.You've seen me with sports teams.Yeah.Now top of the pyramid right here.Frank and Joe are thoroughly freaked out.

Yeah, dude.Crazy.But yeah.

Thank you so much.Thanks for watching.

We'll see you guys next time.Bye.