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I'm freezing for my life

Oh my God!

Oh my God! Oh my God!

Actually, the world really wants to solve the Israel issue Actually, the world really wants to solve the Israel issue Actually, the world really wants to solve the Israel issue Have you read the Israeli General who said, two stars Indonesia, don't get involved I have someone there

It's a threat. Oh, there's a special agent?

Yes, there is. Two days ago. General Ismail Aktif, IDF.

Really?

Yes. Indonesia, don't get involved too far. My people are there. And you take care of your house. The Iranian leaders... are not dead alone.

The Defense Minister, the advisor to the President, his grandson. The grandson, it means his intelligence is very strong To know precisely, this must be hit I know this place from the last time I was in Laura

Oh, you know from Laura, follow Laura

It's really crowded

Sad but yes

So how to stay in the thousands

I have prepared questions

About?

About the information to Iran. So, I actually learned about the geopolitics of these narratives from social media. Since there is a professor here, Bukhoni, we can learn directly about the POV directly. Because what I got on social media yesterday, when the USA bombed Iran, the leader, Ali, died. But there is a narration where the people are happy.

Yes, they are divided. How is the condition of that?

Is it on? Yes. So,'s the actual condition? Is it on? Yes, it's on. So, the point is, if we look at why the community is divided, I think it's because of the pre-real war operation by the United States. The United States, as we can see,

they always follow what is called the Jakarta Method. So, if people look at why there was the Yasmin Revolution, a few years ago, it was actually done in the US. It was first implemented in Indonesia when we were separated between the PKI and non-PKI. Now in Iran, it's the same.

So the society is split between the pro-government and the pro-revival of Reza Pahlavi. The kingdom. But maybe it didn't go as expected, so it needed a trigger. This is what I think is dangerous, this trigger. Why?

I want to discuss this because I always draw the context to Indonesia. Many people invite me to discuss anything in the world. If there is no context to Indonesia, what am I discussing? So the context to Indonesia is dangerous because of two things. One, if this war continues and has an impact on the Hornus, the disaster will be there, the ships will be detained there,

but the effect will be on our kitchen, our house, our neighbors. Yes, it will definitely be directly on us. Directly on our neighbors. Why? First, if the Hornus is blocked, there are many ways to our house. Why? First, if the hormones are blocked, there are many ways to block it.

Either it's blocked by the military, or it's done to block it, or it doesn't have to be blocked. Like what's happening now. Because there's a crowd, there's a riot,

then the ship's stagnation occurs. We're just in the corner of a traffic jam, the effect goes everywhere. Flying is also now a problem. Especially if it's a tanker ship. Now, if it's about flying, this is what's interesting about Iran's attack.

Iran seems to be really angry with neighboring countries or allied countries.

Yes.

Because they are the base of the United States.

Yes, the military base.

So what surprised me was that he didn't just attack the military base. He saw the weak points of these countries because they are strong in the economy. Dubai, Kuwait, Bahrain, for example, those are the countries that he considers as hubs. An important hub. Whoever wants to go to America, Europe, wherever, we go there.

So, if I have to go home tomorrow, I will directly reroute to another direction because I'm too lazy to be stranded there. So the point is, he's a hub. That's why he learned that a hub means the power is at the airport and at the port. That's what is hit by the airport and the port. The second one, this has a massive impact on the economy.

For example, let's not go too far. That's the delay in flights. Maybe if the Indonesians are not mistaken, a few days ago, 53,000 people returned to Umroh, already detained there. That's just from the Indonesians.

How many? Dubai's activities are really active. I was saved. I just got out of Geneva, six hours later, the airport was bombed. I was there.

If not, you could can be stuck there too. Knock, knock, don't. Yes, yes, yes. So, the potential that America has for Iran, this is actually what people want to know, maybe the public doesn't understand it.

Actually, what is their problem? For the countries in the Middle East, they have been shaken for a long time. I don't want to go too far. We see, for example, in 2019, which is 27 years ago, there was an attack by the Al-Baik, if I'm not mistaken.

But they learned badly because they were attacked by very simple weapons. Or I don't have to say the word, by very simple weapons. They were very panicked and shocked, so that in the past few years, they have really strengthened their military, their defense, land, sea, air, cyber, and so on.

Because the experience was very bad for them. One thing we have to be grateful to Trump when he gave birth to Abraham Accord. When Abraham Accord was implemented, this is the Trump version, the first one. His assistant was very smart in negotiating. He could convince the Gulf countries to finally want to make peace, in quotes, with Israel, so that the tension in the area

decreases and happens. But now it has changed. In my opinion, there are also several things that have changed. But on the part of Israel, we often forget. As if if it's like this, it's Israel's fault. I have to be fair because

coincidentally, when I was in the third grade, my research was also in Israel. So I kind of deepened in culture, not just textbook. We must understand culturally, Israel is from the era of Denny Christen, right? I read the Old Testament, Esther said that he once wanted to destroy Persia in that era. Yes, I know that. That was in the old agreement. So culturally, sociologically, and in terms of faith, they felt that this was also a war in the name of God.

Because they had that spice. Because it was in the Bible. They were saved by Esther, if I'm not mistaken, so that they could be saved. But at that time, the theme was the same, Persia destroyed Israel. Today is the time, the theme was the same, Persia wants to destroy Israel.

Yes, that's right.

Today is the day of the sacred day. This is the Purim day. For the people of Israel, this is the Purim day. That is the day of the holy book. Where when they want to be destroyed, but they are safe from the people of Persia.

So the momentum is not just for fun. It's not a joke. On the side of America wanting to crush, on the side of Israel, oh, this is one and for all. I was once saved in the Persian era, and if we read the history of Israel, they are a nation that God promised, whatever the story,

they have to crush from the beginning, the proof is not crushed either.

Yes.

But back to, I don't want to talk about the Bible, I want to talk about Purim Day Spirit to the Israelis. That's what they really want. So if we look at the magnitude of the attack, it's massive. It's not about only war. But maybe many of our friends, many of you don't know,

Iran, Persia, and all that, maybe they don't understand it yet, but there are definitely some who understand it. So, what is it? The problems of the past still exist, rooted in each soul. Yes, especially the Israeli nation,

which has always been known to be destroyed. It can be destroyed by everyone. I don't know if it's God's destiny, but God's destiny also says that he will be safe. I don't want to say that he will be safe tomorrow, but what I want to say is that the spirit is in their souls for survival. For example, when I was studying there, they could already say this.

They sleep with their eyes closed. Because they are always alert, at one point they will be destroyed. They have been destroyed by any nation, by any matter. For example, in the Roman era, if I'm not mistaken, it was only because of the matter that he found red. They were destroyed by any nation, by any affair. For example, in the Roman era, if I'm not mistaken, they found red color only because of the affair.

So, the Israeli nation is a research nation, a creative nation. In that era, there was no red color. If I'm not mistaken, this must be corrected by historians. But if I'm not mistaken, I remember when I went to the Israel Museum, that's what happened. Just because they found red, they became rich.

Because they used the word kingdom, right?

Just because they found red, they became rich.

They were driven away, thrown away, imagined. So from the spirit of Israel, we must see that they will definitely fight end to end. On the other hand, we must return to the Gulf countries. These Gulf countries can almost be said to be all pro-America, or at least CS if we don't call it pro-America. Yes, it makes the problem more complex.

Yes, it becomes complicated. If you want to tell the most complicated story in Indonesia, we slide it, we enter the BOP too.

Yes, that was what was really a drag yesterday. Why is the president in BRICS? Why is it in BOP?

I think if the intention is right, Mr. President. First, our president is known as the foreign minister president.

Yes.

He is actually the president or foreign minister, it seems like it's different. So we all know that, even the outside world knows that he is the foreign minister, or foreign affairs president.

Yes.

So maybe he wants to use that momentum. Secondly, maybe he wants to use the story of non-alignment. But BOP has been crazy from the beginning. It's controversial. First, the Palestinians are not there. That's fatal.

You call yourself BOP, but the Palestinians are not there. That's a threat, it's already a red flag. The second red flag, other great countries like on the other side, such as Russia and China, they don't go in. And they wait. It means they want to see. For example, is it true that peace or is this used by the United States?

It turns out that Putin's assumption or assumption, for example, is true. Not long after, the attack on Iran happened. And if you look at the documents, the Israeli attack documents that America helped against Iran, one of them is sitting there, Boss Ventura.

Ventura Boss, I forgot his name, but he was on the Board of Peace, sitting there as an important person. What does it mean? It means that the US supports this attack. The question is, the peace board is not neutral, so it's a pawn in Trump's or the US' interest.

Here, I'm not badmouthing Trump. I said Trump is a heir to make America great again. Even though he's a mess.

He's causing a mess everywhere.

Everywhere. But in that context, Indonesia should have a president who makes Indonesia great again. So, don't worry about the country of others. As for me, let's not play with it. The president should be at our home. This is what I think and why I suggested a few days ago. Maybe the president is trapped when he enters the BOP.

We don't know, suddenly it's announced 17 trillion and that's the anniversary, which means it's not just once. Second, we form the BOP army, which is dangerous for TNI. The danger for TNI is like this. first, our army is not under the UN. So if there is something, who is responsible? Second, the UN has a clear system model.

Who does what, what is the content. This is new and it was formed by the board, not the state. Third, if you want to be called a Gazakah, or be pulled to any area, we have to understand that the war context there is not like the war in Papua, not like the war in the East, it's a very volatile area.

So whatever happened earlier could help humanity, in the calculation of the count of seconds can turn into security alert. Poor soldier, what about his doctor? That's why I reminded the President, actually with BOP, sorry, with the spread of this attack, this is our moment, our excuse to say, BOP, you're wrong.

I joined you not for this, but for peace. Now you're on the board of war, or board of plan. You can raise your voice for that. So we also came out of there with respect and raised our faces. It's not our fault, it's not us who are easy or we suddenly change our minds, but you did something that we're not agree with. Yeah, this is not the deal deal.

I want to sacrifice, for example, money for Aceh or for Tapteng, 17 trillion. I'll turn it over to you because I care about Palestine. Because there's peace. There's peace, but now you make it like doing, especially with the boss Ventura joining the meeting when attacking Iran.

It's a sign.

A sign. I'm out. This is what I'm trying to hope the president hears and the president makes, hopefully he listens to this, then wants to make a decision. Because I'm not the only one who's talking, now it's been a few days ago, if I'm not mistaken, it was the MUI. Then, at night, I received a call at 11 pm

from our senior military personnel, our senior technical personnel, who felt that this would be dangerous for our army, if it continues. So, actually, the steps that the President needs to take now to anticipate this global condition

is his attitude, which he wants to take in the near future, right? Yes, actually, he wants to. That in the future in a short time, right? Yes, actually he wants to.

That's what's actually waiting, right?

Actually he wants to. For example, he says this, okay, I want to be a mediator, I want to be a mediator.

I heard he wants to be a mediator, right? The latest one wants to leave to be a mediator between Iran and America.

Is that just a hoax? I'm sure he's already left. He's already left, but I don't know where he's gone. If he's suddenly at the court of Mr. Trisutris, or if he's on the way to change his career because he has to be a ceremony inspector, I don't know. But he's definitely gone. But even if he's a mediator, I think this is a question mark.

I'm sorry, sir. So, this country has only been in war, just a few shots, a table has been set. It's impossible. Who are we? First, we have never been a mediator for the Middle East. This is a big scale. A big scale. For example, Abraham Ackbar, we didn't follow him.

The one who sits sweetly, there is no Dorda. Because Abraham Ackbar didn't use the Dorda of war. Only diplomacy, diplomacy. This is when people are upset, angry, and even insulted by the head of state. And his grandson is still 14 months old. That's for the people of Iran, regardless of whether he promotes Iran or not.

That's the respect of the head of state. Try to be like that to our head of state. Yes, not just playing around. Not just playing around, and all the people will be angry. Well, in my opinion, that's the momentum that will make the Iranian people not retaliate, but will continue to attack.

That's why he's so blind, attacking Dubai, Kuwait, attacking all the countries that are the base or have American bases. Even though they are all Islamic countries. That's what's funny. Because the narrations are wrapped up, we Indonesians are still silent, we, the Indonesian people, are still silent

about our brothers who were attacked by Islam. But we are different from Islam, we are Sunni, we are Shia. Yes, that's it. So it becomes everywhere. Because it's like this, let's try to straighten it out, Bukhoni. Actually, if you look at it from Bukhoni's perspective, this is a more dominant religious problem? Or is this a problem between the map of state power,

which has a political purpose from the US president to attack Iran? If the answer is difficult, many books have been written, but I'll just say it. Actually, if the world really wants to solve the Israel issue. Israel, because it is considered that the Goro Goro is Israel. It is considered, I'm talking using the underline, it is considered. Actually, what makes it because of England and France,

the Ottoman Sultan had power in that area for 400 years. In the Ottoman Empire, can you imagine? 400 years. He didn't want to draw a line about where, for example, Palestine, Israel, or where. No. Why?

He knows that Islam is broken. The tribes are broken. Islam has Shia, number one, number three, number seven.

There is a hierarchy.

Yes, there is a hierarchy. Then there is Sunni who is also in the hierarchy. So, he doesn't want it. Anyway, I of that area, but I will never draw a line. You just do it.

Yes.

It's like TST.

It's like you're being dependent on him.

It's TST, you're on your own. You know the tribe, you know the challenges. Suddenly, these two stupid colonels came. Yes. The British and the French. Boss, we're confused. Just draw a line. Draw a line. And it was assisted by big countries.

There are the British, the United States. I mean, if we really want to settle this, why don't we just call the two countries? You settle it. Sit together.

Like that. I still respect Trump at that time because he managed to get people people sit for Abraham Accord and they are at peace. 27 years, from the start of the 2019 election to 2026, they are good. Now it's like this, everything is messed up again. So if we ask the biggest point here, where is Trump's biggest goal? I don't know, but if we look at how many times before this happened, we've seen Reza Pahlavi being praised again.

The narration has been brought up again.

Then how Iran before Khomeini, not this, Khomeini, the old Khomeini. Before Khomeini and after Khomeini, how Iran used to be, the woman Before comedy and after comedy. How Iran used to treat its women.

Before and after.

Yes, before and after. Women were separated and so on. It was separated first. But again, whatever Trump's interest to provoke Iran or Israel's interest in Iran, I think what we should be more interested in is

what Indonesia should do.

Well.

Because for me, the most important thing now is that Indonesia must be prepared. One, if this war continues, because the escalation, if someone asks, Bukwani, do you want a third world war? Not yet, of course.

Okay.

But if it escalates, because we really like to talk about war, Russia, Ukraine, a third world war.

This war is a third world war. That's the most common narrative on social media. Because I think it's the sexiest narrative.

No, it's already discussed.

Sexiness is in the form of clickbait. Because when there's World War III, people will be curious, why do we want a world war?

This will, first, the escalation is very high, very sensitive. But we can still see how the role of Russia and Iran in the PPP.

Yes.

But this has become very meaningful because the British and the French didn't want to give the US the base, now they do. So, the attack on Israel was a bit massive because there was help. This is what can make it worse.

That's why Indonesia's task now, if I want, is to calculate faster. If the war lasts for 3 months, or 1 month, or 3 months, 6 months, or 1 year, the effect to the hormones, and just measure how long the effect is, how long the impact is, how much the impact on our energy, how much the energy increase will jump, for example.

Because when you jump, everyone jumps, right? Will it increase by 5%, 50%, 100%? Why? When this energy rises, automatically all household goods will rise. And Indonesia is not doing well. Because of this, actually whatever country,

as long as the nine main ingredients are guaranteed, they will be safe. For example, I have been living in Russia for four years. From the start of the war, the special military operations, to the big war, until now, it's peaceful. Whatever the President Putin's decision, it has never been questioned.

Someone said, because Russia is an authoritarian country, you have never lived in Russia, you don't know. Russia is not authoritarian at all you've never lived in Russia, you don't know. It's not at all authoritarian, Russia. It's very open. But what I notice is that everything is cheap. So now, for example, Mr. Denny lives in Russia.

Nine blocks of flats are very cheap. So, the story of the general's base is going to be destroyed. Today, President Putin entered my city, then all the phones were disturbed. Because for the sake of the safety of the President, we often have phone calls disturbed, GPS lost, WhatsApp dead, and so on. Now it's official, there can't be any more WhatsApp and telegrams used. It's all for the safety of the country. No one complained.

Eh, wait a minute, I'm thinking. with the atmosphere of the body, the atmosphere of the energy, the atmosphere of the food, the state of mind is there. What is the matter with this? There should be a matter there, but if it's serious there now, why does the MBG import a lot?

Okay.

If I, for example, if the MBG becomes a serious program, it becomes a bit of a mess from the public. Just a little bit. Just a little bit. It should really be calculated how many farmers must be developed, what kind of agriculture should be developed,

the jobs and so on. If it's done correctly, it should be a rotating economic wheel. Demand for healthy food is there, then there is supply. What should not happen is that the removal of the plate from the outside, or the contents.

Or maybe for a while? Because I saw from yesterday, sorry, he's not defending Mr. Prabowo, right?

We don't fire Mr. Prabowo either, by the way. I don't fire him either.

Yes, because I saw...

But there is a system that in my opinion doesn't work properly. Yes, and to fix a country where the previous government has made certain roots, it's not easy, right? That's why I said, the fastest way to get the PR now is to catch it first. Uh, back to it, the impact will be long if it reaches... Don't get me wrong, we're subsidized, right?

We're subsidized. How strong do we need to hold on to that? With the existence of the MBG program, which is several hundred trillion, how much subsidy must be paid later? Well, there must be a quick calculation for the economists must calculate quickly. Maybe we should invite economists. So that we know,

this is our preparation and we can pack it. The price will be at which point, it will be very vulnerable. Because the country is about a society that is arrogant, arrogant, and can eat. That's right, right? It means that Papur Bayo's statement is also important in the future.

To see the economic and financial conditions that with global conditions like this, Indonesia's country financially is fine or not. That's the future. Or if it's not fine, there's mental preparation. Mentally, for example,

in the old days, there was a tightrope walker. Or something like that. Or many things can be done so that the effect is not massive. for example, a belt tie. Or something like that. Or... There are many things that can be done so that the effect is not massive. Because,

let's not just talk about the war, but then we forget that we have a lot of homework. Again, I said, the hormones are blocked, the effect goes into our kitchen.

And that's for sure. It's impossible not to. But in how long, and how far is the impact, that's where the problem starts. But if the economist can calculate, he can do wargaming. Wargaming for a month, wargaming for three months, wargaming for nine months.

That's what smart people need. But the point is, the community must be aware. That's why I made this podcast so that we all know that the global conditions can have an impact on our kitchen like what Bukoni said. There is a good question. If Indonesia is wrongly stepped in this global conflict, what can Indonesia do in the future? What is certain, if I can say wrongly, is the position in the BOP.

If the position in the BOP is not corrected, Indonesia has an advantage that has been rooted, which is a free and active position, non-aligned.

Yes, that's from the beginning. From the beginning. Non-block, in a way.

Indonesia is known around the world because of the Asia-Africa Conference. I just came back from Sorbonne, the Sorbonne Conference, which we discussed is the revision of the non-alignment movement. You can imagine, in your head, a person from Sumargo, he is an Indonesian, he must be from Asia Africa. He must be from Bandung Spirit. His dialect is like that. Bandung Spirit. Why are you suddenly like a Malay?

Once again, I try to understand Mr. Prabowo's thinking. I don't know, but I try to understand why he suddenly wants to leave and mediate. His intention is good, right? If the intention is good, it can't be wrong. Well, then I thought, oh, maybe because he's friends with King Jordan. Because there's Jordan, this is his best friend, right? Well, King Jordan could be, in his opinion,

could be, I could be more comfortable, I can talk to Trump anytime because we are very close, we are in the same board. But for the Middle East gang,

which I'm not too close, I have Jordan. One thing he may have forgotten, in the context of the egg, if we divide the country into eggs, Jordan is not a western country either, which is not too clean, in the sense of peace position and the like. So, in my opinion, what should we do?

Back to the point of independence and our original spirit, which is the Asia-Africa Conference, and it was recognized by the world. Our leaders explained it clearly in the UN at that time, and followed other countries until the Asia-Africa Conference. So if I say, BOP will weigh.

That's just the beginning. If I look at it, it's the fastest. I have the same feeling, too. But I'm not an expert. That's why we need someone who understands. If it's an academy, you have to keep learning.

There's no expert. But we're in the BRICS, too. Meanwhile, in the BRICS, China and Russia are very hostile there. And where this is very devastating for America, against its attack on Iran. Our positioning, if in the BOP, Indonesia does not take firm action, there is an impact on the BRICS.

Not a firm action, in the BOP, we have to back down, if I may say so.

Yes, that's a back action.

Yes, back or whatever the excuse is. Because if we look at the BRICS, now the BRIC it's 40% of the world's power. And there are not only China and Russia, we see India, Brazil, which used to be the power of global source. We have to look back, Russia is sad because of Ukraine. Ukraine was made as a proxy for the US and Europe. He is very sorry with what happened yesterday.

He is not willing to do it.

So, for him, he said, I don't want to see Europe anymore. Back then, Russia was between half Europe and half Asia. Now, if we pay attention, Putin said, we'd better make something more Asian.

That's why on top of BRICS, there is Greater Eurasian Partnership. So, Eurasia will be bigger. That is, the Russian satellite countries cooperate well with China and others. Don't be mistaken, who is the fastest in our region to seize that opportunity? Malaysia.

So, Malaysia is very smart, the Prime Minister. Once it was announced by President Putin, he came to Vladivostok, I was there at that time, and he immediately committed to President Putin said that, he came to Rivostok. I was there at that time. And he immediately committed to President Putin, I will join the Greater Eurasia Partnership. Indonesia is not just Brexit,

he can have a chance there. If he is too western, so we are already betraying the spirit of Bandung. Then we are also wrong. Of course, it's impossible in Brexit, we are notminded. If the language of the intercourse is being tapped, what are you doing? Hurry up, go to your house first, think first.

Back to the army again, because one, maybe if it's just in BOP, it can only be diplomatic, you talk and explain things, why you are in, but the problem is that BOP is giving birth to an army. Is that right? BOP is creating an army. Well, the crazy thing about Indonesia is that BOP just said, okay, I want to send 20,000.

Which is, if you calculate, 20,000 is 40% of the total troops. That's why two days ago, the American, I forgot his name, he said, okay, then Indonesia will be the representative of the five of the BOP army. Ouch, that means we are already Western or enter the Global North.

And that can arouse the anger of our people too. The anger of the people, I forgot to see this, The president has a good intention, but you can't be a moderator, eh, moderator again, what, mediator, mediator in someone's house, in a way your own house can't mediate, right?

How can you clean someone's house, your own house is in a mess, your kitchen is not finished, your neighbor's house is in a fight, for example, not talk to each other, right? Not like that either. For example, people will quickly calculate 17 trillion, it's better if I give it to Tamiang, or I give it to Tapteng, or I give it to Papua, or the environment that has been damaged,

what do we do, I don't know, anyway.

That's it.

That's the investment. It will be more there, they will think. There was a good question. In Indonesia, we always say that we are politically free and active. But the world is getting hot, and the direction is going to hell. But I think the narration is still too fast. Well, is our free and active politics still relevant for us to use in the future?

Very. That's why I said we have to get out of the BOW. BOW. That's why we have to get out of the Board of World so that we can activate our online. That's enough. Yesterday's gesture was read by President Trump. Oh, Indonesia is serious. He wants to join the world stage.

I'm afraid we're trapped there, right? The position is like that. If I see it, I don't have to be afraid. Actually, this is in my own words, when President Trump, with his impudence, gave a map to President Prabowo,

and President Prabowo was confused, I was confused. As an Indonesian, I don't want to be like that. You're Ajudan, no. You're not a red coat.

And next to him is the Vice President. Why didn't you ask the vice president to hold it? why must the vice president or to the left, I don't know, the tall one

for those who don't know, the video is here

sorry, this is not my son and not your staff so there is a non-diplomatic gesture, but an arrogance gesture that shows, you're under me now, that's what I don't understand. I hold you.

I hold you. Well, this is not right. That's why you have to hurry. Because the excuse is right. This is not a board officeman anymore, this is a board of war.

I'm off. That's good. And people will realize, this is crazy, I can't do that. You can't do that. I can't do that. Indonesia is a prosperous country. Prosperous. That's what Indonesian people want to wait for. And hopefully soon we can see that. But Mrs. Koni, have you noticed, it's been a year, a year of government, or more than a year,

a year of Mr. Prabowo, what are the positive things that you see in this government,

besides the negative things?

I see a lot of positive things. I mean, I said, the intention is good, we are on the stage. Because I often say first, we are not good at the cage, we have to appear on the world stage. But on the world stage, we have to appear.

What is the positioning like?

The positioning must be clear. Second, domestic affairs. Because of this. Have you read the General Israel's statement? The two stars, I forgot. Indonesia, don't get involved. You just take care of your own affairs. I have people, I'm there. That's a threat.

There was a statement. Try it, two days ago. General Israel Active IDF. Really? Yes. Indonesia, don't get involved if it involved too far. My people are there. And you take care of your house. So we have data. He has data.

It's impossible not to have. This is Israel. Hello, Mr. Denny.

That's the president, the leader of Iran. He killed himself. That al-Marhum. The Minister of Defense. Advisor to the President. His grandson.

What? Some generals. I forgot the name. How can you be sure? It means that the intelligence is very strong, to know precisely, this must be hit.

This is what I want to say too, in BOP, when deciding to join BOP, who is our intelligence? There must be intelligence, economy, intellectual, tariff. Why can we be wrong?

The tariff said 19, we be wrong? they said 32% of the tariff is negotiated to 19% but people are given 10% for free I think it means that if you have intelligence, you won't go if I may, don't be angry with Bin I don't know what intelligence anymore but there are people who don't go until your president is known by the people of Indonesia

because he went far to negotiate for 19% it turns out that for free is only 10.

How? Yes, if that's the problem, I'm sorry. It's like the communication path from yesterday,

we've discussed it, it's like it's really slow to get into the president. What is it that holds? I don't know. We don't know if it's slow. Because many people say, the president, I'm sorry, usually doesn't like it when someone says the president is OON. President Roboko is not OON, he is very smart. He has a very high education, he is also a great general.

But what is it that is so attractive, if it's a bottleneck, who is this bottle cap? The bottle cap is the most responsible, so the president seems to live in the palm of his hand or in the palm of his hand. Because the information is only from the bottle cap. That's it I think. Okay, ma'am. We'll go back to the topic. Don't go there. There's a question from my netizen.

If a big role can be broken in the future, and the position of Indonesia will be safe, in my opinion, it won't be safe. You answer it yourself.

It's Ali.

No. If it's not, we'll see the escalation. The escalation. Escalation, yes. Because, in my opinion, the country of Teluk is really annoying. There is a sentence like this, why do you want to attack the civilian facilities? Yes.

What's the matter? What's the matter? If you want to attack, attack the military facilities. As if, right? Yes, that's it. The name of the war is not a game. Tactics, strategies are important. if I hit the military, what should I do? I'd rather hit the economy. That's why now they're making Dubai go bankrupt,

Kuwait go bankrupt, Qatar go bankrupt, the economic centers or the economic hubs are being destroyed. I think this will make them unite. And when they unite, in the hours that Macron and the British Prime Minister

didn't want to lend, the bases, and he agreed right away. So that became his bargaining tool? Yes, it became his bargaining tool. So if you ask me what constellation is it now, I would say it's already on the red alert.

It depends on how the pressure from Russia, pressure from China, is against the BBB, to then immediately take action.

I want to ask, you are in Russia, from Russia itself, Mr. Putin himself, what instructions or movements are you looking forward to?

This is interesting, Russia is the fourth largest country in the world, which is in fact, in my opinion, the third largest. He's like China, hiding, we like to show off, oh, our money is like this,

this is what we like, if there, I don't think so, how much is the reserve, the country is so smart, bro, the country is so smart, it's not flexing, it's more powerful than what is standardized as number 4, in my opinion, because I live there, well, he's in that capacity and Jinping is also in the capacity of the second largest country in the world, it's stay cool first, we're cool,? Yeah, I get that my statement. America do But do a do a guy in a state? Yeah, I got a runny book on reactive or the BOP So I'll be a pity to run that it will hunt. How soon get a giant?

Yeah, I'm got it. Oh, I'm Erica and a and America mean tie Indonesia do kundiya They can pass the neck and I'm in Balan and a commitment to just together in the future. And Iran also asked for our support. We are divided by 2.3.

What should we do, Bu?

We can't say yes or no too quickly. Like I said, we have to sit down first. What are the pluses and minuses of joining? Can we be in a replacement position? You want to sit with me? For example, I want this, this, this,

yes, like now Trump, you enter the BOP, he can condition people, it's good we want to enter, condition it too, must give 17 trillion, this, that, try it. Well, someone said this to me, Bukhoni, but Russia also gave 17 trillion, even though he is not officially in the BOP, he just wants to give 17 trillion because his name is the Board of Peace, not the Bojongkwan.

Yes, mostly for reconciliation.

To help the Palestinian reconciliation.

Correct. Reconciliation and others.

But he's smart. Russian money, 4 years ago, was held. His Federal Reserve was held by America. So he said, you just take the money I hold. So he actually didn't lose anything, he even took a loan. Just take it, it's from me, 17 trillion.

It's nothing, I have a lot of money.

So Putin is a scoundrel.

If he's not a scoundrel, he's not a president many times. He only came down for a moment as president. That's why he's being trolled by Putin. Yes, both of them are very skilled. I'm not saying they're skilled, I'm saying they're very good. Very good. So their strategy is cool. The length of the video is like a chicken's tail.

Why is it a tail?

There's a question, ma'am. If suddenly there's a big war in Asia,

will it happen?

Very. Very. So, if we look at the French White Paper that was published 5 years ago, read it, because it's for the public. There are several areas in our region, including areas in Indonesia,

including the South China Sea, then near Papua, near East Indonesia, Maluku area, it has been re-revised, it is the area of ​​the world's food source, which is the fish. We're talking about fish. The world food resource is there.

Which means the fish interact with each other, and pregnant and so on. That's the center. For him, the area is part of the military operation other than war. Military operation other than war. What does it mean?

Anytime they can enter, because they want to protect the fish. Because you take care of the fish, you don't get a cut. I'm the only one who takes care of it. That's our area. Same as the South China Sea area.

That's gas reserve, that's oil reserve, that's food reserve in the world. So, humans are about survival. The point is food. The point is food. The point is energy. So, if that's the case, we'll be eaten.

If we're not smart and don't have a smart leader, for me, a smart leader and a good leader are a must for Indonesia. Yes, but our defense equipment should also be capable. Now the question is, are our army capable of holding out in a war? And we are fighting. If you ask me, I'm a teacher at SESCO.

T-N-I-L-A-L-U-A-D, SESCO TNI. No matter how high we have things now, including the Indian Navy, can we think of the training? Can we think of the training? Can we think of the personnel?

How to use it?

Can we think of the education system? Can we think of the infrastructure? Because expensive goods have a special place. For example, we buy a ship, and then we just throw it away. Or we buy a very sophisticated stealth aircraft.

There are some components, or equipment a very sophisticated stealth aircraft, there must be some components or equipment that must be specially placed. Then, does our information system work? Does our logistic system work? For example, where is our mother ship going? Can we support the logistics?

So we're talking about the experts, right?

Not the experts, the system. The system, yes. Experts are using the system. The most important thing is whether our doctrine changes. I heard we have a naval ship, but our doctrine is still Sun Kamrata, still inward-looking defense.

If we have a naval ship and a submarine, for a submarine-launched aircraft, it means that our enemy is not from the country, our enemy is there, we have to come.

That doctrine must change. When the doctrine changes, the national army has to change its name. It can't be called TNI anymore because it's the Indonesian National Army.

Right?

It has to be called the Indonesian Armed Forces. The name shapes the character.

So it's ABRI.

Whatever the name is, it's the Indonesian Armed Forces.

Right. For the Republic of Indonesia. Whatever the name is, it's an armed force. Correct.

For the Republic of Indonesia. Not an army that plays in a national concept. Because if it's a national concept, I can ask, why do you have a ship for Papua? Why do you have stealth? Do you want to attack Aceh?

There's a question like that, in the end. With all the statements you make, you often get these attacks. What do you mean?

Personal attacks.

Of course.

Imagine.

It's not Indonesia if there are no personal attacks. It's common, right? It's not common. I regretted it when I was teaching 10-15 years ago. I always said this. You only need to be sophisticated in one thing.

Control your handphone. That's your real... ...what is it? ...weapon, I said. There you can make people... ...make many people understand... ...about the concept of defense,

the concept of national defense, and so on. Now, what I'm talking about is backfiring. People have handphones. They also use cyber troops to attack... ...academics, attack people who are considered different. Even though people can be different,

but it means they are good.

We want to go to Rome,

the road doesn't have to be the same. Maybe I want to go somewhere first, like tomorrow I want to go to Russia, now I want to change planes, it's through Central Asia, not through Dubai.

That's what I'm sad about.

What we should use, The enemy from outside, which is called Mr. Prabowo, is a foreign Antek-Antek, cannot enter our mind and our thoughts, because now it's the era of neuroscience, the era of thought.

So it's true, Mr. Prabowo's words, that there are indeed indications that foreign Antek-Antek have tried to enter Indonesia several times.

No, they tried to enter, they were told to hold the map. That foreign Antek was told to hold the crazy, ma'am. Crazy. I'm very... Yes, you're always watching, right? I'm very vigilant about the movement. I throw a question, I want to see their response. Their response can...

That's a question, ma'am. It can be a question.

Not a statement, right? Not a statement. They can say, what else, all that.

That's also the bad part. I like to be called that by the company. Because it seems like we're all black and white. Yes. So it seems like Indonesia is just black and white.

Yes.

That's what shouldn't happen. Because what we have to think about is that all of our people are only thinking about the nation.

Yes.

The problem in Indonesia is that there is rarely a comparative study. That's right. So, in Sundanese, it's asah-e-e. I'm the one who's the most right, I know it the most. That's it. When the group is not found, it's okay, you're black, I'm white, there's no gray zone. Yes, because we... Literacy comes from a discussion.

A discussion that will not always be the same. In fact, that difference is what gives birth to a new thought which is looking for the way to... In my opinion, duality. I think there are two things. If people are stingy, they look for the wrong path. If people are good, they look for peace. They should go there.

And I'm afraid of only one thing. If people are tired, they think about going abroad, maybe there are many. But what I'm more afraid of is people who think, let's be independent.

That's scarier. Do you know what, Denny? I'm surprised. All this time I thought the smallest country in the world was Lee Steinstein. In the smallest Europe. After Andorra, there's Lee Steinstein. It turns out there's something crazier. I forgot where. But that person made a country with only 10 people.

So since he's already angry, I'm afraid to say the name because I'm afraid to say it. But there is, try it. So he's just the president, he's just 10 people. And that's the debate, even though he didn't join the PBB because there were only 10 people. Because I mean, if we look at it, it means he's already angry, maybe. He's following everything, he's not happy. Well, he made a community and this community becomes an independent country. I think the unity cohesion should be used by the Comdigy,

I think it should be active, just blasting, I think the easiest thing to become Comdigy is blasting, just blasting on the values of unity, values, etc. The important thing is that we go back to our Azaz earlier, Pancasila and Nonelayang. That's it, the best.

The problem is that Cobdigi is always attacked. All in Indonesia are attacked. No one is attacked.

A little bit different, a little bit different. And I feel that tendency is a tendency that has become a culture that in the future is really bad. Everything that you don't agree, you attack. So, like, I studied education, right, Bu? So, I mean, when someone has a different opinion from you,

you don't attack.

You listen. You listen, you analyze, what is the problem. And you listen to the problem, right? Yes, because from there we can find a solution to be able to build our internal. But if everything is attacked,

in the long run, the citizens will attack each other. And there is no trust. No trust.

And we are destroyed from the inside.

Exactly. So we don't have to be made to be bright, troublesome, split between the Pahlavi and... Yes, it can be free. Is that right?

Free?

Oh, that's what Iran is experiencing, maybe. And maybe we can experience it. Very possible. That's why the threat of the Israeli general was not a joke. That's scary. Your own country's affairs, as many PR, my people are everywhere. There are sentences, my people are everywhere. Today I am the arrival of the right person.

Because this is the message I want to convey through this podcast. Let's not lose unity because of the affairs of other countries. Remember, our country is where we were born. That's the first thing that becomes the basic, the basis we keep. Don't let social media affairs make us stop. In the end, we are still divided by all kinds of things. We are all finished.

And our grandchildren don't have a place to live anymore.

That's what we want to inherit. That's what we want to inherit.

Thank you very much. It's a good talk. Thank you.