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When will this world change into peace without any conflict? And when will the nations be able to develop technology, humanity, economic growth, eradicating poverty, basically everything for humanism? When will all this happen? We have witnessed wars from time to that never stopped. Until 1940, we witnessed one by one the decline of the fascism ideology.

Then, the Cold War continued. The war was only between the West and the East. The East was represented by the Soviet Union and China. Then, after the Cold War ended in 1989, the Berlin Wall collapsed. What happened? Many Western writers wrote that this was the beginning of the victory of liberalism.

Francis Fukuyama once wrote, The End of History. History is over. The winner is already here. But it turns out that the East, which is called communism, has evolved and then many of its friends have started to follow it. Because they perform.

Meanwhile, today we see America as a drunk person who keeps making new problems. And as a result, today we see witnessing the eyes of the fat dollar... ...except for Indonesia, right? Why is it that the rupiah is still strong? Then we see the next explosion in Iran.

What is happening? This is an oil field. And when the hormone slot is closed... ...we see that it not only in the continent, not only in the Asian countries that need oil from the Middle East, but also our kitchen can't pull because our oil only lasts for 20 days.

What happened? This is the topic we need to discuss in the future of war. How our life is affected by our kitchen, money is also pressured, then our leaders can follow the patterns of the leaders that we actually cannot imitate.

What do you think? That's my conversation with my special narasumber from Russia, Prof. Kony Rahakundini Bakri. And keep following thisri. Stay relevant. Prof. Kony, we are talking about the leadership in the world today. Many people see only Iran, then we talk about oil,

but actually you also said, in some occasions, you said you have an idea, it seems like there is someone drunk in this world, and it looks like, what is this, civil war, you call it? I call it civil war, maybe because I just wrote, while I was in Russia, I wrote a book, Prof, about conscious nations and civilizations.

The birth of civilization. So if I say this momentum, and I'm happy, Prof, the book was very interesting. To be honest with you, I'm tired of talking about Israel again, then in the context of war, which is actually a repetition, right?

If Israel's behavior is a repetition. in the context of war, which is actually repetitive, if the behavior of Israel is repetitive. But Prof, the interesting thing is the civilization. That's right, Prof. Now, in my opinion, there is a war that brings three big issues. This war. One is how the meeting of civilizations coincides.

This is the old civilization, between the Persian civilization, which is 2,500 years old. Oh, yes, Persia. Persia is Cyrus, the king of Persia. He was very powerful. He had good science, and a good administration system. They were the ones who paved the way for the people.

So, there was a meeting between Persian civilization, which was 2500 years old, and Israel, which was 1200 years old. That was also a big civilization. They were tested and exiled several times they were expelled and so on. 2000 years of exile.

Where there is a country that survived without a country. Without a country. That's why they built Zionism and Mossad there. That's interesting, right? There is a country, it was exiled for 2000 years, but it can return to being a country.

That's what's interesting about Israel. To the Jerusalem Temple. Right. So, the war was a civil war. So, if I was asked directly, will this war bring America to greet again like Trump's dream? I doubt it.

Maybe America will kill itself. Because it will face... America is a young country, 250 years old, 10 times older than Persia. And the country is not his country.

It's the country of the Indians.

The country of the Indians.

Right? That will happen. Then, the second one, we will have an energy conflict. That will happen. And this energy conflict, Prof. said about the thermos,

it will drag countries that were already good, calm, peaceful, which is the Baltic countries. Right? This coalition of gulf. The country is peaceful, which is a country of eggs. The coalition of gulf. He is actually good, he built the economy, prosperity, etc.

It is affected because of the way Iran fought, he is smart. He will think that if I fight military to military, I will die. It's better if I don't fight with asymmetry.

It's a trick.

It's a trick. So, it's not a big weapon against a big weapon. He used a drone, a heavy weapon. A cheap drone. A cheap drone. And the second one,

the one who was attacked was not the American. Not the American military base. He attacked his heart. So, you put a base in your place to attack me. Okay, then.

I will attack now. Your economy centers. And hub centers. That's why I was attacked by the airport. I was almost... Actually, after I took off to Jakarta,

4 hours later, Dubai was... Many friends who returned to Umroh can't go home now? I know it's 53,000. But I heard earlier, there was a tour leader who said, from hundreds of thousands, people come back not only from Umrah, but also from Israel,

pilgrimages, there are many. And I'm from Europe, I can't come here. I'll just come back tomorrow. No, you can't. The last one, in my opinion, is the formation of

a civilization that will change. From the world of unipolarity, Unipolar in in the US. Yes, the US. And the US is taken over by the US Navy. The US Navy.

The world is considered by the US. The world police. The world police and the world boss. The regulator through the international financial institutions. All the systems are made by him. And also the information system he ruled.

Now, this will eventually turn into a multi-priority that is accelerated. So it's crowded, not one single power. Not one single power. And actually, there is a bit of it. When Briggs was born. Briggs was born.

Briggs was born, it actually balanced. Secondly, when we talk about Briggs, we have to see, this is the history of the global south. That's why Indonesia must be proud when we talk about civilization. Because in Bandung, with Bandung Spirit, the Asia-Africa Conference was born. Which is why at that time Soekarno was so excited,

he talked and even left the PPP, remember? That's because he saw that the world was no longer fair. Exactly like today, the world is not fair. So Indonesia emerged with a new power which requires the world to be balanced. That's why our foreign policy is free and active.

Free and active.

We have maintained it for years. For years, it's like the Bible, free and active. Why free and active? Because we have to play in two mountains, as President Soekarno said. It's quite beautiful.

That's why, if you look at the past few days, I don't think I agree with Indonesia's Board of Peace. Because, as I said, the first thing that surprised me was the euro. It's shocking. You're an economist, how can 17 trillion

be settled in Indonesia in a year? We still have to pay 800 trillion in debt in the near future. Debt, of course. But what's crazier is that we're facing a big disaster. Like Aceh, Sumatra. Yes, the really affected Tapteng. That's shocking for me.

But I'm not an economist, I don't want to talk about it. We should focus on the domestic issue. Domestic issue. But the second one is, we see that BOP is trying to build an army.

They want to send 8000 people there. Not only 8000, we committed 20.000. 20.000, that means 40% of the power is from the country. No, the country in BOP itself.

20.000 is a lot. So, Indonesia has to be population. Yes, 20% is big. So, it means that Indonesia should be careful. Why? Because, we are just discussing it, there was an attack on Iran, where the countries in the BOP,

were all hit. Not hit, but were playing and hit. Of course, they will be played too. Yes, the US allies were there. Yes, that's right. There were all the countries.

Saudi Arabia, Qatar. The countries that are being attacked today are there. So it's impossible for them to stay silent. On the other hand, the Palestinians, the actors, are there. So I would say it's a board of war.

So that... No more peace. No more peace. It's only been formed for a while, and it has changed, transformed into a force.

Are you saying that we are being manipulated by Trump? If we are being manipulated by Trump, why do you think our president can't be manipulated by Trump? Am I right? What I am worried about is why the decision is so rough, not thought through.

We should have seen the first day Iran was occupied. Wait a minute, this is a bit different. Because this is against Iran. I said earlier that we are talking about a big civilization versus a big civilization. And what it means is not certain yet, America will win here.

In fact, America will die. For years, Iran has been isolated, embargoed, but the country is not dead. It is a sign that they are a smart nation. For years, they have lived in danger. It turns out that today we see they managed to cross Tel Aviv.

Their ships can land there. And it's very obvious if we look at some of the movies that circulate in international media, including CNN. That's Israel's experience these days. They crossed the Iron Dome.

They crossed it. That's a sign that they are really sophisticated or what? Or is that a help from Russia and China? We are talking about the help from the past, Prof. But I just want to say this. Iran is a country that is not kidding.

I am not an expert in Iran. I am not an expert in that area. But I see that this is a country that is back. The professor said he was attacked by the Great, by the Romans, by the Mongols, and by the Greeks and the Arabs. He survived. Why? Because his power was in the land and civilization.

His soul was there. Isn't it different, Professor? It's different from a country that was born from military power, It's different from a country that was born from the military, and only focused on the economy and science. It's different.

They have a strong culture and technology. A culture that has been absorbed. I tried to learn in India, in the developing countries, because of the Persian influence. Taj Mahal is the Persian king.

Then if we go to Bangalore, there are many Persian descendants who developed Bangalore's IT technology. Alexander the Great was a very powerful man. He came and changed. In Persia, he was the one who was changed. Hellenistic was changed by Persia. Not Hellenistic changed Persia.

It's the opposite. It means that it shows that this is a big nation. And not a small nation. So, they are very powerful nations. We are talking about unipolar. That is the world power that is ruled by America.

The victory of liberalism. America won the world. Soviet Union collapsed and became Russia, small countries appeared there, and the West danced. After that, then there was a technological development,

but the dollar currency became the currency, then the world police, he was alone at first. And now it's closed with the episode you said earlier, this is probably the end of all of that, and it's closed with the episode you said earlier, this is probably the end of it all. And it's closed with the episode of a president like this today.

Who was born from TikTok. He used to be angry with TikTok. Now he uses TikTok. Now he uses TikTok. He said, I won't destroy TikTok. Because he helped me win as president. Even Facebook is his enemy.

Then he also, his dance is now popular in Iran. The dance is the Iranian people who are pro-destructionism, who are in power, following Donald Trump's style. Then we see Trump continuously doing a series of actions. What are the indications that you see that this is the end of the unipolar civilization?

First, as I said, BRICS was born. BRICS is a big power, Prof. It's not a joke. We just talked about BRICS. But if we live in Russia, we can be even bigger. President Putin has advanced the concept of Greater Eurasia Partnership.

So imagine, we will be joining many Asian countries. So Russia will join many countries in Asia. And for example, in ASEAN, Malaysia has joined. For example, in the area of Vladivostok, when President Putin met with Anwar Ibrahim, I was there,

Anwar immediately took the opportunity. This is the moment of Greater Eurasia Partnership and Malaysia joined. So this is a big leap. And now, I think it will be accelerated, to kill itself or to be born again,

to kill itself in unipolarity by becoming multipolarity. Because, actually, if humans adapt to anything, what is the goal? It's for prosperity. How can we not call it killing ourselves now?

A country that is normal, prosperous, suddenly, it's in trouble. People are surprised that it attacked Maduro. Kidnapped in the middle of the night. Venezuela. Even though it said it was fighting drugs.

It's in the wrong direction. If it's drugs, it's going to Mexico. Not there. That's one. The second one, he said he was fighting terrorism. If he was fighting terrorism, it's not Iran.

Why did he have to go to Iran? That's two. The third one, he wanted to take over Greenland. So, if we look at his thinking, he was a drunk dictator. It's confusing for everyone including Indonesia

19% of the 32% 19% of the 32% the Supreme Court then canceled all of that it's all just drunk, how many? 10? back to the previous one 3-4%

that's the normal what I'm worried about because America is a big country and people all this time to win against America. The Trump's drunk steps will be followed by other presidents. It's like a funny game.

Hit here, hit there. I don't know if the game starts from Trump or Jakarta. But the point is, the model is hit here, hit there. The point is, the birth of a new chaos. America is very smart. They just ran birth of a new chaos. The Americans know it well. They just finished their weapons in Ukraine. Is that right? They support Ukraine in many ways.

They launched airstrikes. Now they have to help the countries in the Middle East that are being attacked by Iran. I don't count the amount of the industrial capacity. But we can imagine, one takes 24 hours to build a ship. So, the attack must be prepared quickly.

The rest of the equipment can't be chased by the war-like battlefields. They have to support several countries in the Gulf. So, it's a really random movement. Random and suicidal. And that will make the economy worse. When he started the trade war,

it made the goods in America expensive. But he said, we are lucky, we get a lot of money. But the higher taxes are paid by the people. So buying a towel is charged with a lot of money. But the people paid the higher taxes. So, buying a towel was charged with a high entrance fee. So, the people paid.

But the Chinese goods couldn't get in. It was difficult. But it's okay. That's how the president is. And usually, there's a sign in the country. America is like that.

Usually, in the country... It is not only America, Prof. There are many countries that when they feel... the government in the country is a bit shaky... or they can't handle it... then, so that they look like the great leaders... they show their pride by...

attacking other countries. Attack or playing in other countries.

Bung Karno was like that too, right?

With Singapore and Malaysia. When we were in confrontation. But don't get me wrong, Bung Karno himself is already strong. Because he already prepared the big concept of this country,

this world, there must be a new power. Right? He's in this ring. If he didn't give birth to Bandung Spirit, it might look like a drunkard. But he gave birth to Bandung Spirit.

And he also challenged the West by making Ganevo. Ganevo, outside the PBB. So, his actions really showed, like today's Russia, more to independence, national independence. And the Russian economy turned out to be just fine. Not just fine, national independence. And the Russian economy is actually just fine.

Not just fine, even stronger. Do you remember when I first came to Russia, which was 4 years ago, 1 dollar was 90 rubles, if I'm not mistaken. Now it's 200, so it's very good. So the Russian economy is stable, people are not angry with Putin. People are not angry with Putin.

Even though it's isolated in the world, because there are a lot of Russians in Bali now. They don't want to go home, they can't go home. Because the swifts are controlled. That's not isolation. Actually, Prof, if you know, you're an economist, right? How can a normal country

suddenly be turned off from the world's swift code system? That's what we've been told to do. We can reduce the cost, but in the next few days, he can already make a mini-swift. I call it a mini-swift. He can do a swift quote with his friends. I met my Russian friends like that.

They were like, okay. They found a place to stay like a heaven in Bali. In Bali, yes. I mean, the bank is still open. We can deposit money. The only difference is, the bank is still running, we can put money in,

the only difference is that when we open an account, there must be a third country, the middle country, which has a lot of friends too. So the important thing is that they have a way out. The question is, for example, Indonesia now wants to follow Trump. For example, they want to follow the drunk guy,

they come and go, without any concept, without any calculation, without any discussion, without any clear policy. I have to underline this. Because I was surprised, suddenly it's about tariffs, suddenly it's about BOP. Have we talked about DPR before? Be careful, because even if we want to zigzag like that, do we have the strength to support if we are affected?

We went back to how President Donald Trump and then with his drunkenness, domestic issues, his own economy, he said he felt like creating this and that, but in fact America is now losing its position in the world. If this is the end of everything, what is the prediction of Prof. Kony? Regarding the international relations and stability in the Middle East. In the Middle East, it's all about the US. And it's called petrodollars, then they put weapons, the air system is also recognized by America and so on.

If I look at it like this, let's not talk about losing and losing, because the why this survival is not a country's problem. But the resilience of the national defense. In the cool language, the national defense of each country. For example, is America with massive military power, and cool technology, able to win in Vietnam? No.

Because of the resilience of Vietnam. They won in Hollywood by creating the movie Rainbow. The movie Rainbow, the one that stitches the blood.

Yes.

Then Afghanistan, right? Afghanistan, no. He didn't win. I'm worried, it's the same. So the country can rise and fall, but civilization can't. Persia has survived, if I'm not mistaken, one of them.

I said Romawi, it's been with Romawi for 400 years, and he's still clashing. Can you imagine? So now he's with the Middle East, how many years? He was friends with Iran, he was friends with Israel. Oh, friends, yes, yes.

Yes, of course.

Iran's friend.

This is the time of Reza Pahlavi, right? The comedy, the comedy, the Ayatullah came in and then he established that the enemy of Iran was the Americans and their friends. But before that, they are good friends, not like brothers. So, Iran's Pahlavi fell because of a lot of flexing. Flexing, not caring about the people, doing oppression, and so on. Then, finally, he didn't get the sympathy of the people.

But if you look at the pattern, why did the US suddenly join Iran? Maybe, I don't know, but I noticed that before this happened, the young Reza Pahlavi appeared to be brought back. But he doesn't have charisma. Exactly. Now, if Trump wants to destroy Iran by replacing the head of state, it's not a success.

That's so stupid.

Dolls are always a laughingstock for the people. For example, Zelensky today. Yes, Zelensky was always praised as a hero for his country. Now people know he's just a doll. It's proven Putin is right. In my opinion, now the US's miss,

if there was a murder, then the young Reza was born, and became the head of the country, that would be a success. But that's wrong. In a matter of hours, a new leader was born, which is the son of a martyr. Because the birth of a birth is not a joke. And it means that we have to have a vision far ahead, to see how the era of the end of America's power as a unipolar.

It will end soon because he killed himself on the way. I mentioned about prosperity. People, humans live to achieve peace, prosperity. It's in their own hands. Eventually he will die by the concept that they kill themselves. I try to see it in terms of economy and technology.

If we look at basic technology, basic science, America is still superior. Although now research in China is starting to appear, there are a lot of publications, but the basic science is still America. Second, their financial system is deep.

They have a strong venture capital, a strong system. Third, they control the world's trade using dollars. Whether it's commodities, oil, rubber, all of it is done with dollar. They still control international institutions, like the World Bank. Even though it's getting more complicated with the World Bank, they still control the IMF, World Bank, they still control the financial sector. Then they see the power of the Jews who hold the financial system.

And the question is, why don America so close to the Jews? They are a big nation. The Jews are the smart ones. The Jews are the ones who can drag America into this moment. Because, don't think that we are far from them. The Americans themselves are the ones who are questioning.

Because at the end of the day, the ones who will face to face are Israel and Iran because they are close. The Americans are far. That's why I think it's interesting for us to continue to follow if this war continues.

For me, the question mark is this. Is the nation that has been civilized for 2500 years going to defeat the nation that has been civilized for 1200 years old nation, which then exiled for 2000 years and came back again, or what? Because these are the two nations that are still seen, if we speak in the Indonesian language,

that have seen many trials, many attempts have happened, but they can pass. On the other hand, this war can also divert Russia from Ukraine. All the attention is there. When we were holding the summit, I think it was already over.

I said from the beginning that I supported Trump more when he was advancing. Seriously, when I was being beaten by Professor Sudarman. I was fighting. I said, Mrs. Susi, Trump has to win. Because as crazy as Trump is, he can talk.

And for Russia, he can talk. I said that in Valdai. Trump has to win. Because if Trump zigzags, we can talk to him. Instead of, let's see, Europe...

Who is we? Russia? Yes, Russia. For example, Europe that doesn't want to talk. All of them are diplomacy channels. Or all of them are closed diplomacy channels. It happened not long after Trump was elected. He opened the Alaskan Summit.

If I look at the history of Donald Trump, when we read the last part, he lived in Coney Island. I watched the movie.

His father was a developer for houses in the US. He lived in Coney Island I watched his movie

He was a developer for houses He was an experiment He was an emigrant from Russia So there were a lot of Jews there And a lot of Jewish criminals He learned from there

When he built Trump Tower A lot of rich Russians bought it His father didn't agree with him. He said, you're too stubborn. His father loves his only son more. That's why he learned to fly.

He's crazy.

Anyway, like that. Prof. Kony has lived in Russia for a long time. He's an expert in Indonesia who understands and feeling the atmosphere of the Russian mentality. When I went to Russia, during the Cold War, I was afraid. Because I thought they were KGB, I thought they were communists. But when I walked in, I saw people. When they knew I was Indonesian, they sang Halo Halo Bandung.

It was so close. I was so surprised. But we are afraid of criminals. But, Prof. Kony, hearing the voices in Russia today, and the Russians are like that,

what is it that the Russian people think about the situation in Russia? They are a nation that is suffering from the pain of Europe. We can see that Russia is very close to Europe. The King and Queen were also family. I live in St. Petersburg.

Everything there is like moving to Italy. St. Petersburg. Yes, yes. It's like moving Italy. Santo Petrus. Yes, that's right. So, it's very close. So, the case of Ukraine is not just a deep wound. But, I was talking about the defense of a country.

The minute he was injured, he rose up. The feeling that they are a big nation. What's the difference with China? China also rose up because of that. So, the spirit that we are a big nation, it should be planted.

So, it's impossible to lose easily. Then, for example, Russians like shopping. Russian women like to get married. But, when... I can't see it anymore. The point is the professor.

Even though he's beautiful, he's cool. Imagine, with that incident, they can throw all the Chanel and other brands that they wear now, the Russian clothes, the folkloric ones, the ones that are still in fashion, and so on. They are proud to wear Russian hats, which are constantly being modified.

Their clothes, cool models, too. So finally, a new power emerges. The president sees it, apparently. Oh, my country seems to have his country's spirit of resilience was very strong. Do you know that he issued a decree? He issued a decree.

By 2030, President Putin said, Russia must be free from the creative industry. That's why there was a big annual event under Prime Minister Maxim Oreksin. Maxim made it. He's a young man, a former minister. Very young. But he's the one who made...

how creative industry brought Russia... to the powerful future. Every year, there's a robot race. A race of all kinds. Including restaurants, spa, wine.

All the creative industries. So, creative industry will be the will be the new oil for us. But let's go back to Bricks for a moment. If Bricks becomes a multi-polarity country, we are only a nation, I mean a world, what is our new strength?

We are in the rare earth material. Imagine how rare earth material is. We are talking about rare earth material, we're talking about technology. There are so many countries. Well, actually our strength is there. Not only in terms of raw material,

but also how we use it to become the strength of bricks or the strength of global soot. Because most of the rare earth material is in global soot now. So, if now after gold there is oil, after oil is rare earth material.

We should start thinking in that direction. And that's encouraging if we have scientists, and the scientists are empowered, not like now.

The death of scientists, the death of expertise now.

And the death of academicians. Because now academicians talk, with the buzzer talking, expertise. And the death of academicians. Because now, academicians and buzzers are talking, it seems like the place is parallel. Is that right? Even in television, we are argued with people who are bald.

Sometimes it's like that.

Yes, Prof.

Thank you very much, Prof. I hope we can enlighten many people. Because, Prof, for me, the most important thing is that we are aware of who we are. Our history is a great history. Don't just stop. The essence is there. And we must have awareness as a big nation.

And that awareness is what causes resilience. So, like an egg, if it falls, sometimes we hold it tight, it will break. But the resilience of the nation is that the more we are crushed, like a tennis ball, it will keep on bouncing. It will keep on transforming into strength. The stronger, the stronger.

Our conversation this time is about war, which some people only see between Israel and Iran, or Iran and America. But more than that, we must see this as a civil war. Finally, a civil war that was said in 1989 that the winner was liberalism.

But maybe today, liberalism will also end. But the spirit, I think, is that we still need democracy, freedom of opinion, thinking, but also not in one single power, but in many powers. Many powers that are spread evenly. Because in essence, we are all thinking groups that also have power. That is human. That's our conversation with Prof. Ki Rahakundini Bakri,

who we know as an expert who can read about the strength of the world today. Starting from military weapons, to now to the nations that have become a civilization. Yes. Yes.

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