Per sempre sì con Valerio Lundini e Sal Da Vinci | Pulp Podcast #52

We are not... when you make promises in life, you have to keep them Otherwise you can't pronounce this word, promise For me, the promise is also... how to say... to persevere a friendship Believe in that thing

Can I go in private without going to your podcast? You are cut off, you are... sorry, I have to ask you... Did you pay?

Divorced Divorced, how do you see this choice?

And I wasn't really for you You came to someone's house Did you pay? I got divorced Divorced. How do you see this choice?

It wasn't really for you You came to my house for someone else It's interesting

What's our problem? To understand what the fuck are my marriages today? No, no, I mean, I wanted to understand, I'm worried

This is the light episode they did after that one They said, let's do some music!

Exactly like that!

They said, we did the Meloni, he fought with everyone, you didn't. Everyone was mad at him. He interviewed Meloni, he was quiet.

It will always always like this

Liturgies of a bigot, theories of the plot, homilies on the dashboard, litanies of a corrupt With the brain in the dad, but with the wind in the mom, you want to get to the juice, give yourself the pulp

Balko Podcast David, what are you doing?

There was a bottle, this one that Silvio put on the floor

Are you training?

No, no, no, I'm training in the gym

Where?

Mcfit, do you know it?

Of course! Link in description, find your gym at Mcfit. To become... Do you want to become fat like Davide Marra? Link in description, find your gym at Mcfit, friends.

Thanks Mcfit guys, number one, absolutely.

Do you know who he looks like? When I arrived, I was a little distracted. Gigi and Ross.

Ross.

They told me, they told me.

Well, we're going to see the show.

It's my answer to the party.

Speaking of similarities, do you want to tell the story that happened in Sanremo? For those who have exchanged you? We met one night after the first night, I think. Yes, who did they meet?

We were already live. Yes, we'll see. I was already live. Usually they exchange me for Ross, for Piff.

Piff!

I go to a sort of after party, where Marco Masini welcomed me, by the way, with two of my friends, and I said,

Valerione, we met, I said, the best driver in Europe, and they go,

Piff! Great!

I don't think it's for the aesthetic similarity, it's because maybe they associate Piff with the best driver in Europe.

It's true.

And then you say, look, the author of If You Leave Me It's Not Worth It. Welcome back to Pulp Podcast. Let's welcome our guests, Saldavinci and Valerio Lundini. Hi, hi, hi. What an episode, guys. In the most beloved format by Italians, La Strana Coppia. Today we're doing something very important. We have to win. Propaganda. Yes, we have to win a very important referendum.

We are all for yes, right?

I would answer in a tautological way. Well, you are. You have shown it widely.

It's true.

Well, how are you guys? It depends on the moment. No, no, exactly. Yours is forever, if I'm not mistaken. I can quote a song that not everyone knows.

The difference is that, the forever, yes.

It was that. No, I was honestly undecided on the vote. Then I saw your episode and I had no doubts. And so it served. I must say, let's explain, we are still recording the episode, so we will know the results of the exit poll in a few minutes.

I think we are all doing it.

Yes, we believe.

What?

Well, the fact that things are going as the teacher has chosen for Italy.

The arm tattooed on the right.

On the right. On the right. No, apart from the jokes, I also came for friendship in your confrontations, in his, but above all to thank you, because we've known each other for how many years? But since there is also a mere promotional purpose, which I will do in a very elegant way, I said, okay, if I do a promotion like Pulp did for the legendary Yes, I'm up for it. If we find out that he wins the No, I'll leave. Because I don't live here in Milan. I want to start with an important question, dear Salla. Yes. Eurovision.

You're in the mood. Tell us a little. When is it? When is it?

It's from 12 to 16 May, next. 12 to 16 May. The final is on 16 May.

I saw that you are the most streamed song of all the Eurovision contestants.

It's yours.

Is this a good thing?

Well, fuck.

Yes. of Eurovision is yours. Is this a good thing? Well, fuck, I think it's good. I've seen a lot of reactions even from people abroad, very happy, excited,

beautiful Italian style, what a singer!

In fact, I'm thinking about something, that I have to record the Japanese version.

Well, fuck! That's a brilliant idea!

Yes, yes, that's a nice one. There's a girl who, by the way, she's a singer, she lives in Sicily and she's a Japanese idol and we're contacting her because we'd like to do this.

It's cool, isn't it? Do you know how to record a song

without knowing Japanese? Because you know English. I mean, I'm asking myself, English is more tiring to speak English than Japanese

Because there are more people who understand that I'm wrong I mean, it's not that it's more tiring to speak English It's a myth Because if you say, forever Jens, it's a yes But in Japanese you say what you think

Chachinklier

Is that how you say it?

I don't know, I don't know, chachinklier It's like a mimosa What do you say? What do you think? Ciao Cinque Lire Is that how you say it? I don't know, it's just like that It's like the most famous Japanese transporter What's it called? The Challo Fulgunjin I think he was called Così

It's an old name, from the 80s, but it still works Anyway, I'm very happy because it's a great satisfaction, especially to bring Italian music out of our country. Even though, I mean, as soon as I arrived in Vienna a week and ten days ago, there was a great reception, it was a beautiful thing. For the rehearsals? No, for the rehearsals. We had to do some content that will be released later.

And they do some beautiful things that I can't explain to you, because I can't reveal them in this mega-galactic studio. The thing that left me a little surprised is the fact that the question

why are you in Italy so attached to the controversy? Why are you so attached to the controversy in Italy? Why are you so divided? This is something that made me reflect a lot and at the same time it also hurt me a little. You know, like when you know that your relative

has done something that you don't like, maybe your son, your nephew, and so on, and you try to cover it up in some way. I've only said that they're fake, but in the end they weren't fake. Did it save the name of Italy? Absolutely, yes, always, at any time.

That was something that bothered me a bit, but not because they asked me a question, but because reality is a bit like that. Or maybe when we read things that in reality could not exist, especially on digital platforms, which in my opinion we still have not understood how they are used, and we vent an uncontrollable anger that we often avoid with the slide up and down and then we go on and say

ok, we don't think about this, VT ammo and we need a more avant-garde you know, she pensiamo questo invese secondo me no diferente pensarci di più because that deal a gun do una violenza in po come pensare che la more un mestiere che va frequentato

noi secondo me stiamo frequentando la violenza in non ci rendiamo conto che quella e una roca ba che non ci porta da nessuna parte un meglio and we don't realize that it's a mess that doesn't lead us anywhere or better, we're preparing a non-intelligent future

And you Valerio, what answer would you have given to this question they asked to Salle? Why are we so controversial?

No, but I ask you a question, the question they asked you was about what controversy? About your song, about other things?

No, no, about my song, about why... I even read some fantastic stuff. Like, a big land... Does it go to Sanremo? Or maybe... How can a big land go to the Eurofest?

Well, these are things he writes because he was also in the competition. So maybe he was trying to...

Was it him? No, but this makes you reflect a lot how still today things are read it's also true it's not all that good because there are...

unfortunately the mother of the imbeciles is still pregnant so there is one thing that worries me in the sense that we get there to spend our time imagine you take a phone and get stuck in a huge discussion that only dilates because of the simple fact of attacking. Often these people attack, attack, speak badly of that subject and then in the second message they speak badly of themselves. It's a noisy minority.

That's a very beautiful expression.

Very poetic. Yes, yes, yes.

No, but it's true. I think that, look, I've seen many people who have defended the obviously, if you don't win. I can say one thing, I think what you said about the Terrone, I think it's true, I have to say, it's something easy, I think it was something

anti-partenopean, I'll explain why, I never said it, because I think these things don't exist that much, but I think that people say that it's a song like this, there were various critics But the real problem, Sal, is that it was a Neapolitan song Otherwise, they would all translate it in Japanese, saying that it's beautiful in Japanese

And then the song is not Neapolitan, there are the last two words in Neapolitan The last sentence. But it's the one you always sing. You always sing the final part of the whole chorus. When you make us hear the song.

No, because there's a choreography behind it, because behind it there are choreographic movements that naturally fall on that. Thought for TikTok, smart. Who did the choreography? Marcello and Momo Sacchetta Are they choreographers? I've had to do with them in various shows and I'm very good, but then Marcello also comes from the world of friends He taught there. Very strong because they made you do a simple thing, but

iconic

I wanted to leave something, I'm not a dancer because I wanted to leave a mark and where it goes, this thing, because because one thing is to say it will be forever yes and another thing is to say it will always be yes. Because in the end it is always decided. No, it's just that one thing said, the Neapolitan language has a totally different weight, it has a taste, it has a, how to say, it has that passion that often, maybe, as often happens, there is a small grammatical error that is made in the Neapolitan language, especially in the new generation. The verb to love does not exist in the Neapolitan language.

You can't say, I love you. No? You can't say, it ama. No, you say it te voglia bene. If you want to make an reinforcement, te voglia bene assai. In bene... But since the times of Caruso? No, since the language was born. It doesn't exist in grammar. But often, maybe, in the a little urban language, in the language a little more usable, a few things have been changed, but in logic it is not said, there is no verb to love.

Gigi D'Alessio also told us, if you remember the times of the musician, that he in Sanremo presented a text completely in Italian, but live he sang a phrase, I think a word in Neapolitan. Was he disqualified?

No. No. a phrase, I think, a word in Neapolitan Was it disqualified? No

No, but I have it, but I thought you had said I TAM and here we have a Neapolitan rule

No!

The Academy of Prussia

Even if Lucio Dalla had done

I TAM

And then

But I TAM

Do you see how strong that thing is? I love you so much There's always this thing of arguing as if the person listening didn't understand how much this person loves her Because anyway, not being able to say I love you, this girl or this partner, if a woman sings, needs to confirm Because if you say I love you so much, he says it's like a cousin. But he loves you so much.

Like a cousin. It's just reinforcing. In fact, you start from cousins, right?

You start from cousins, if you're in the best families.

But listen, when you say make a family, it's also true.

Silvio is sabotaging us.

What are you doing? Do you want to play with that joke? No, he was talking about Eurovision

I have an author of some jokes who is Federico Lucia I don't know if you know him Fedez, singer, in art

I know more Fedez than Federico Lucia

Yes, yes, good There are people who know him How many times have we met? him so many times, three or four times so quickly

He's the only one in Italy who has a male and a female together, the only one in Italy No, also Orso Maria Guerrini Orso Maria Guerrini That's the problem, you have to say all these R's No, that's a problem, that's also animal, in short, no, but yes, various genres, otherwise I don't have the R unfortunately, but there is a name that is perfect for me, Saldavinci, like Fedez, the only one, Marra, unfortunately for me is a problem If you say my name and surname in the anagram, there is Michael and Sorrentino

I can tell you that... Beautiful, even Saldavinci I can tell you that everyone can have your name Sorrentino, Mike, yes. Think about the foreigners who see you, Sorrentino director, and say, these are all called Sorrentino.

Because then one wins the Oscar, the other wins Sanremo.

Their vision was top. Fuck.

No, it's better like this. Think about foreigners. They see a very famous Italian who is a director, his director, Sorrentino. Then they see someone like Vince Sarremo, who is successful abroad. Sorrentino too. They think, well, if they call the geniuses, they will all be called Sorrentino. He says, no, Da Vinci. And still, he hasn't solved anything. You have success in the name, my friend.

Da Vinci. You were talking about your author? No, my author said... I said it like that first I said it at a certain point and then I gave him the credits What did I want to say?

I mean, the thing about your return... Can I help you?

No, it's that this one has the bubbles

Ah, natural, there it is

When I go to the Caribbean, it's the one I don't drink It's always the same thing

We have everything, We have a supply. Down here we have everything.

There's even a piano. Down here.

What a fear, guys.

I saw it like this. When you were a kid, you did it in Italian. You said, we'll be me and you from here, forever.

From here, not like this. No, but then at the end you say like this. No, I always say like this. Trust me, I know it. We'll be me and you from here.

At the beginning you say from here, then the second chorus you say again from here. Then for me in the end it's just because you want to make it clear that it's like this. In fact, you say like this and there you speak Neapolitan. For me it's like a reinforcement. Like you said, the Neapolitan makes you understand that you're being serious. Because it's you. It's your identity. Otherwise, if you always spoke Italian, the girl up here, the one that Lucio Dalla had to explain how bad it is, she'd say, wait, now he spoke Neapolitan, now he's determined. It's a bit like, I'll give you a horrible example, blasphemy is bad, but I remember that when dad was improving, you said,

well he said something, dad, wake up, dad, now I wake up. When dad was blaspheming, you said, oh, dad is taking it seriously. And in my opinion, in a much more elegant version, the use of dialect the same extent as blasphemy. What do you say, Sanka?

Well, to compare blasphemy to this thing...

I said it was strong as a comparison and it's not about anything. It's like saying, now I'm going to pull out my heart.

I say it in Neapolitan. Yes, but that's just a reinforcement because in my opinion it has a more passionate flavor. Everything there. Il te voglio bene assai, ma tanto tanto bene, non è altro che una forzativa, ma già il te voglio bene assai, la chiude tutta la forza.

Because he started already in dialect from the beginning of the song. If he had started in dialect and then had passed to Italian, he would have lost strength. He would have said, te voglio tanto bene assai.

It's a chain now. It's a chain that is melting blood in the veins. You always owe it to the Neapolitan. There is also one because it is an important roundabout. But he, in the end, he started from that idea. He was in a room of a prestigious hotel in Sorrento

called the Excelsior Vittoria where he strongly wanted to go because he was told the story of Caruso, he was a fisherman who was going around there and he went there and kissed by this creativity, by the light coming from above, and he went there

and said, you know that's a rehearsal, he didn't go to the studio to record it again, they had tried to do it but that's the rehearsal of Lucio, what we listen to, the original version

Is it a hotel?

No, it's a rehearsal, I went to the studio to record it, so slowly and voicelessly, a demo, and then they tried to put it in a good copy, it didn't come out the same, and they left it there. It became a super famous song.

It's the first take and you can't do it well if you try to do it again.

It has a special soul. special. And then, Lucio Dalla, a little curiosity, he wasn't Neapolitan. He was Bolognese. Good. Sorry, I translated Provino into a demo as if I were a two-generation musicians' glue. I said, wait, he's a rapper, it's a demo.

One thing that was not told much is that you made a real mess. You had already participated in Sanremo, you made an incredible mess andetta and I think this thing was not told much and I'm a little sorry because you had the feeling that Saldavinci came from nowhere but no, Saldavinci did a lot, he did a lot and it's something that I'm sorry it wasn't told

When they should have said it Saldavinci sings, oh, attention! This is what he did

After the victory...

But you knew it, didn't you?

I think that in my opinion someone...

I didn't know, I have to tell the truth. Someone told it. Well, I was not born as a singer, but I was born with my father as an actor, I was a and I've always been fascinated with this magical box and the theatre so I had the opportunity to work with great actors of the theatre, cinema, great directors and so this journey began but it often happens that when in the first phase of your life you are a prodigy child

or maybe, as they called me, a tear-jerker child then comes the teenage years and that thing doesn't have that charm anymore and so that thing goes out, to start over again or better, to discover my voice through the songs I wrote for others made this thing go in the right direction, I play it and I sang it. But one day, I was 15 years old, and James Seneze wrote a song for me.

It was in 1984-85. I was participating in a protest that was organized by Rai3. He wrote a song for me called Mannaggia e Vivo il Re, naturally in the world of Jansenese, because I was a great admirer, I have spoiled anything by Piero Daniele, but who has not done it. So I fell in love with the drums as a child, so at the age of 9-10 years I started playing

the drums, so I spent these afternoons instead between one thing and the other, in the sense that I did many days in the theater, many months in the theater, then came the period of the square parties, weddings, baptisms, and as I said the other day, to emphasize this too, also the property passages, sung there too. And so, all this beautiful experience, but I didn't have this possibility,

I lost an important thing important, my childhood, because I never played with another child But I played to do something else, or better, to be in front of an audience, that was my biggest toy I fell in love with drums, so I spent these Sunday afternoons, breaking the boxes all over the place, with the drums, it was hot, there was no air conditioning, or rather, whoever had it, this thing started at the time, it was a hot boia and I practically sat down at the drums, I put on these Pino Daniele vinyls and played on them. so I learned everything, the historical moment of my life but you know, with the drums you can't write things, you can have the sense of rhythm but not write things so I got closer to the piano as a self-taught student I started writing songs for others

until I got to listen to my voice, then it came to my life in Gemessene and then Peppe Lanzetta, who also wrote something and so on, but that wasn't my thing. So I was writing on the floor, and I was signed by Dischi Ricordi, a very important Italian record company, where there was a festival in 1994 called Festival Italiano. The year before that, Fiorello won it the 883s, with a song called...

No, maybe...

Yes, it was that one.

Fiorello with the 883s?

Was it Sanremo?

No, it wasn't Sanremo, it was Festival Italiano that gave the Channel 5.

Is it possible that if you come back, maybe then, it will be sung by Fiorello and written by the 883s, by Max Pezzali? No, it wasn't that.

No? No, not even that. And the year after I won it. In that cast, there was a crazy cast, it was October 1994. After that, in October 1994, I thought I had achieved who knows what, winning this festival, starting from the young category. I categorized it, two young people, young guys with big money. In that cast there was Neck, Fausto Leale, Mia Martini, Cristiano De Andrè and so on.

It was a very important cast.

It was a Sanremo on media.

Absolutely. Think that the guests were Celine Dion, Gips King and so on. It was a very beautiful thing. And of course I got an abortion because Sanremo is Sanremo, a car, a costume Italian is very important, a popular party par excellence. After that this song becomes a very famous song because it is

takes a Spanish singer called Marcos Yunas and sells 5 million records all over the world. I saw on Billboard, first in the rankings, my name that there they are used to put the authors of the songs with Franco del Prete, who is Franco del Prete? He was the founder, together with Jens Enese, of Napoli Centrale or rather when the Showmen were born

who had an extraordinary singer, Mario Musella where Pino Daniel was also inspired, he was an extraordinary singer, Mario Musella, who was also inspired by Pino Daniele. Having said that, I went back to the radio, I didn't take off, I made another album. I was in the top of the radio charts, even in the first place, but they didn't know my face, because I didn't do much promotion. So, the years come a little bit bit special. I return to the theater.

And thanks to Roberto De Simone, who was one of the greatest ethnomusicologists we had in our country. Maybe recognized more abroad than in Italy. Who is the author of Gatta Cenerentola and many theatrical works,

such as, for example, I was the protagonist of a wonderful work, which was the opera Buffa of the Giovedes Santo where I tour all the Italian theaters, the most prestigious that with pop music you can't get in because it's not welcome

it's another kind of environment but I had that beautiful experience after two years of touring all over Italy a musical arrives, which was a musical of records where I have made 600 lines, I was a pro-ragonist, I played a priest of Starada, where he fights to defend good

against evil. What musical is it? It's called C'era una volta scugnizzi, it's written by Claudio Mattoni and Enrico Vaime, the music, the songs of this musical belonged to a film by Danny Loy of 1989 called Scugnizzi. These musics then had a new life in this musical. I was part of this world. Then, until 2007, in 2008 I started a new journey and I introduce myself to Sanremo.

It's a Sanremo of Bonolis of 2009. I was lucky. What was on the podium? Emma and Imoda, no. So, in that cast there was also Mia Martini again.

2008.

2009. On the podium we arrived, me, Marco Carta, Marco Carta, Pinse, second Povia and third me.

Luca was gay? Povia, my strength, Marco Carta and sincerity of Arisa.

But Fetes wanted to know the secret. When I was a kid, the thing you could do, but now it's a problem to put a child and make him do so many hours of work. I did three shows a day.

Minor exploitation. I arrived...

Ah no, maybe, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no of perfectly popular show, that a song, if it became a success, it developed into a story and it was produced in the theater. And that's how it was. We won this contest, my father was September 76, and since November, pay attention, in this historical theater, which is the temple of the stage play, we debut together with my father. It's true the intimacy I had there because my mom took us to the theater, my dad was already in that theater

to be the first singer actor of various comedies, of various stage plays, but being on the other side on a stage with an audience in front was something else. But this case of this kid who breaks a heart together with my father had burst and it became a crazy success, but not only in Naples, I came here to Pinerolo, Asti, Milan, Osmeraldo and so on in all of Italy. Think about it, we bring the scene to Petruzzelli in Bari,

that to enter this crowd they broke the stained glass and my father had to pay 700,000 lire 700,000 lire, because we are no longer used to talking about lire 700,000 lire of his company's quota to repair the Petruzzelli's stained glass. So, friends of the Teppisti, if you really have to break a stained glass, avoid the Petruzzelli. Absolutely.

It was quoted at the time of the pounds 700,000 pounds.

So in 2008 you came third.

No, 2009.

2009 you came on the podium. I remember you were third, I don't remember the first two

Povia and...

No, Povia second Marco Cartan 2009, Marco Cartan first, second Povia and third me

But you see the beauty of music? It's never over for anyone You see, Altipè, but the beauty... That's what I was telling you yesterday It's true, the beauty of music, if you think about it, is that there is no time, there is no end.

I think I represent that thing a bit, because if it happened to me, it can happen to everyone. In the sense that I wrote a song one day, together with another collaborator, Luca Barbato, but also Vincenzo D'Agostino, who left us a month ago, even though he's from Senese, but Vincenzo and I were very close to him, he wrote a lot of things, we wrote together Rossetto e Caffè, which became a great hit, and of course that song opened the doors of a new life in music, uh you can even touch the prize, that prize, I think it's a really prestigious thing for us, it's a beautiful thing, it's not something that happens to you every day in life, maybe it will never happen to me again. I put the conditional because I say maybe, but I put the conditional.

After a song about marriage, which tells the story of the coronation of love

Can I say something? I want to fix this once and for all When I talk about forever yes, the problem is another I don't talk about... we used a story, a story between two people, that everyone dreams for, okay? But I'm talking about universal love, I'm not just talking about traditional marriage, because for me two people who are together, who love each other, for me it's already family.

And this thing has also been instrumentalized.

It has been instrumentalized, or maybe many controversies that I have read, many things like, you know, it doesn't exist because this possession of the forever yes can lead to femicide. Guys, we're... I've really read stuff like that. But it's true. I've read... but not even from educated, intelligent people who also play important roles. That's what I've been left with. On this or these days. I'm saying, this thing scares me on the one hand, on the other hand it makes me think a lot.

But you also read on XX Twitter?

No, no, please don't read this stuff, as if they told me there's more to it. So, to avoid poisoning my soul, I try to read less and less But why should your song be about such a serious thing and not about any other love song? Because, I tell you, we are not... when you make promises in life, they must be kept You can't pronounce this word, promise, for me the promise is also... how to say... to persevere a friendship, to believe in that thing, to carry it on despite adversity, to carry it on despite, how to say, the difficulties

that each of us lives in life, in one way or another. And so you have to be able to believe in the thing. Then you can also take a corner, but you live. Because who doesn't stop halfway, how to say, you know, I promise you, we'll see each other. Listen, what time do we see each other? At 11, is that it? Around 11.

Wait a minute, Sandro. I don't understand.

Not a minute late.

Around 11.

After this interview, Sandro Vinci is tired as hell. No, no, no. On X he goes out, full appointment. Davinci is fed up with Mazz No, no, no He's going to leave on X I'll meet Davinci No, because he's a bit early But I have to say that today he's very precise

He arrived before us No, listen It's normal, this is not like that If you say we'll see each other at 11 it's a form of respect If you say we'll see each other around 11

towards the waves, down there, look how much stuff, because you're not sure.

But you realize that I'm from Rome, you're from Naples.

Mamma mia, you're also a herring from Rome.

I'm from the capital. I try to use the others. Look how you're doing it.

I'm from the capital, look at this, laughing, you're underrating me. No, because you don't use the R, Saldarini. I don't care about the capital, the capital is worth Alasti.

Are you kidding me? No, I know, but I wanted to tell you this. This discussion about punctuality affects every racism against Neapolitans. You've shown us that you're a person more Milanese than the present.

Here there are 80 people from Milan. Sometimes punctuality is important, but we can't confirm anything, you have to be 3 hours early to get to a place, it's normal

I want to ask Valerio something, but apart from Fulminacci that doesn't count, who did you like this year? I didn't like Fulminacci, why not? We are friends, we would be together as guests. I mean, I would go and do the cover. I liked Fulminaccio.

The cover.

Chiotti Fado, well, clearly the master.

I knew it, because I'm here now.

No, but now that you're here. No, well, Chiotti Fado, well, it's not Chiotti Fado. I mean, when I look at the... No, because it's I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know when I said rapper. How many Fedez are there? The Fedez rapper, the Fedez influencer, the gossip Fedez.

What else? Podcast? I'm losing someone.

Fascist?

Well, that's all the souls.

That's the one that closes them all.

I don't think you say one very important thing. The father's loyalty. I was about to say that.

Can I enter in private without going to your podcast? Of course. You are, sorry, separated. Divorced. How do you see this choice? I wasn't really for you.

You came to my house.

What else?

No, it's interesting. I mean, it ended well. I don't know. They were both fine. I saw a poster with the ex-girlfriend. I think they're both fine.

So it's proof that a love can end without the exaggerations that are talked about on Twitter.

It's not a question, it's a statement. Look, all loves can end, absolutely. Then maybe those other loves stick to other things, other souls. Nothing is certain in life. To resist the shocks, the storms, you often have to open the umbrella, you have to be strong and able to get up again. It's not easy because

life is a bit like a championship. There are moments when you lose the game and then you can recover it. There are those who stop, just one of the two stops or maybe pulls back and some things end. But then, in my opinion, there is nothing more beautiful than when a love ends, you find a balance, especially for the love of children. Because you can say, ex-husband, ex-boyfriend, ex-lover, you will never be able to say ex-son. Because son is something that is forever, But how did they... Did they always make love?

Those children were born for love. They didn't make it for...

They will always be.

Nice! Nice!

No, because the question I wanted to ask you before was, after you made a song that talks about... It's a bit the problem that the Simpsons had. The Simpsons told all the possible stories until they made a movie. And in the movie they had to tell the most important story, they didn't succeed because they already told me everything.

You, at this moment, wrote the song that talks about love, the one that is really crowned, right? In the next one, will it be difficult to tell a less important or more important than this? Because once you tell the marriage, what else can happen in life?

The lover is a sandalist. No, look, it's a path, love is a job that must be frequented, as I said before. So I will frequent love, but not only between two people. When we talk about love, we talk about love between two people. Man-woman.

No, no, no.

I'm kidding. It's my idea. We talk about love between two people. Man-woman. No, no, no. I'm talking about universal love. Who are we to decide if two people of the same sex have to be together or not? Or maybe aim for the...

Who the hell are we? You have the contract to make the Fedez audience laugh. I'm here promoting a show of extreme right. Let's remember, it seems that Bologna... I was watching. I'm here promoting a show by Estrema Destra It seems that Bologna is oriented towards the South Come on guys, let's do it!

Valerio, what's the show about?

I'll do a little mark and then I'll finish Saldà, I wanted to invite you. You live in Naples?

Yes

I read it. I saw that you met Carlo Verdone who said that he has been to his show, but you never went This is my imitation of Carlo Verdone I wanted to invite you to Rome, which is near Ieti, in Lazio I did this show that Fredez didn't even see Marra, even though he invited him several times He said he would pass by

I think this was also in the show.

Marco, this time I'm doing a show called Mansplaining, explained to my daughter, who is a master of criticism and public. I don't remember the dates, but I'll be here in Milan. Ah, he doesn't answer the phone.

Anyway, I'll be in Rome. You promote something and you don't remember the dates.

We artists are not... Did you write it down? You wrote it down because this year he wanted to come We want to remember the mansplaining The mansplaining I explained to my daughter, a masterpiece of success I wanted to explain what mansplaining is

Mansplaining is when you explain to a woman something that she should already know how to do

But you're able to do it?

Like washing dishes, passing can mop the floor, things like that. You're able to do it? No, no, no. I've always received explanations from... Oh, great, FedEx.

So, from May 14th to 15th, which is two days, I'll be in the Archimboldi in Milan.

And I'll be in the Eurovision.

What a shame!

I have a really bad distribution. I said, let's make it so that the Salle can happen. Can you do it on 30-31 May or 1st June in Rome, even closer to Naples?

30-31 May? We'll exchange numbers later.

If I'm not in Madrid, Barcelona, Bru, Amsterdam, London, Paris and Berlin in dates that I'm not here now You'll break up after Eurovision in Brussels

This can be interesting But you should go before, no? No, it's after

Go to Eurovision Beat Israel The first one

That's enough

And then you did that with your prize What do they give at Eurovision? Cup give? I didn't know about Eurovision before the Maneskines. And then you come to see the show. I think you like it. There is also a part dedicated to the beautiful Naples. You can't spoil anything. No, because the theater is the only thing that is not yet spoiled, because there are no videos, there is no... It's not true!

No, the theater is not spoiled, guys! He takes everything away, I don't know if...

He does well if you do it, but in general...

He takes everything away! You always see the video of the concerts, you find movies on the displays, something... The theater is the last thing, you know it... They put them on. Can you explain how it works to requisition electronic devices when your show comes? No, no. In my show there is a warning that says, please don't make videos because I would like to do the show several times if someone starts to see it.

Has it happened to you already?

No, no, they don't do it. They are very respectful. They have a respectful audience. I'm one of those like Bob Dylan who doesn't want videos, but if they do, I'm not crazy. But with music it's different, because with music, if you hear a song several times, when you go back to the concept, you're happy to hear it for the umpteenth time.

Because the joke ends quickly.

Once you know it, you say, ok, but I've already seen this video made with my cell phone.

Speaking of jokes...

It was that one. But can I open the question of music and people's recordings. I'm wondering about this, and I have three musicians next to me. Do you think this tendency to record little pieces within a macro context, maybe just detached from there, is not creating problems for artists? Because very often, maybe in the past, if you went to see something, even the dirtiest thing, the mistake, it was fine, because it was in a choral context, where the performance think you could do a big damage to that character?

And to reveal everything that happened? I've seen you, Eduard, get angry about this thing, because they've taken some pieces out of the album and he said, yeah, maybe if I put it on TikTok I look like an idiot. In that context I look like an idiot. No, I'm kidding.

But obviously with your audience you have a different language.

Of course. I said a lot of things that he picked up. What do you think about this? I think that you and the audience make a small pact, which is like a friend between you and a relative. So if you tell the audience a joke, a joke that maybe is not brilliant, it is not...

But they are there, they are at a party. It's not that we at home with friends speak perfect Italian, we only say smart things. Extrapolate the thing, put what comes out, what a joke says one of the audience, a little joke quarrelrel then the video comes out with terrible titles and you are only that. I hate it a lot when they make videos to old musicians still good anyway, I say old in the sense of old people, people who are over 70 who still sing, they make the video while they dance and maybe they don't dance very well because rightly they are not dancers or they are old

and under the comments it's like, oh, a ball is over, stop it. But I say, if that's happy like that, but until I have the strength to do the thing that amuses me, but why do I have to stop? Because maybe Giulio is annoyed that I, at 80 years old, still want to dance. Paul McCartney is still alive, at least today. And then I ask you to cut it when I should have it. I saw it on Massimo Ranieri, what you say.

Massimo Ranieri is top.

Do you like Massimo Ranieri?

Absolutely yes, a master.

You know those things, maybe. No, we don't get along. Because there is no rivalry.

He is a great reference.

The only one who doesn't give a fuck about this is G-Pop. He doesn't give a fuck about it. He's got health problems, he doesn't care. People insult him without a shirt, he doesn't care.

We're used to it.

Yeah, they say, put on a shirt. But that's number one. He's a genius.

I see him for free, going to Spain on vacation. I'm not kidding, there was free kpop in a Luna Park, I went to see it for free, I didn't even insult it Luna Park was called Lund, like me, but I went for that too, and my name is Lundini, I don't know, when you see your name, you go for it bit in the pits. You should have seen the winning code, because it was something of yours. You should have seen the Gioconda. The Gioconda, of course. So, I went there and there was Ikee Pop, so I didn't insult him because it was free.

Never insult someone when you have a free concert.

But who insults him live? On social media? that's the problem, you know? No, you say it the other way around, you insult when it's free, when you pay the ticket you're right, what are you saying?

It's true, it's true.

You value it a bit.

No, attention, but that shirt, I don't care, I paid 50 stars.

It means euro in Neapolitan. No, but sorry, I want to know now,

there's one piece missing in this story, Valerio Lundini's incredible cavetta. I'm not talking about the... You talk! I got married... You got married?

Do you want to?

But do you think that this song you wrote in your marriage, someone happens to say, let's put it?

Do you want to? Yes, yes, but not only. It's beautiful. I saw a video the other day, in the baths of Bucharest, right? I saw an incredible crowd singing for ever and ever How do they pronounce it? I think they did it in Italian

There are many Italians there Ah, there was a choir

Not only Italians,. Ah, there were Italians there? No, not only Italians. They were there, but...

What's that?

The Neapolitan keyboard. Guys, he has a London sock, which is crazy, look.

Describe it, because they are listening to us.

How is this sock? It's a sock that stops at half height, it's not a long sock, and then at the bottom for the fall, and the bottom part is for the spring.

I think it's better like this. So this sock is a bit like Naples? A thousand colors.

What a poet! A poetic thought! Allow me a poetic thought!

You're a marriage man! Let me think about something poetic I played a lot of weddings with the band called I Vazzanicchi That's how it's written We also say hello to the great Iva She's a friend of Forza Italia

I remember a Berlusconi who calls Gardlerner and says I invite the honorable Zanicchi to leave this post-tribal

Nice, nice

He also put a little bit of embarrassment Of course

There was Eva shaking her head

She thought she had to apologize

So we played a lot of weddings and we noticed that, but we more in central Italy because we are in Rome At a certain point, the couples, the couples, to raise some money, we played at weddings that were paid better than the venues, and at least in the center of Italy, because down there you have a whole other culture of cult songs, at a certain point, all the couples, from one moment to another, they called us, they called the drummer, or whoever of us took the chorus and said, look, we have our song that we want you to play.

We played rock and roll in the 50s, but if they asked, we did it. When they pay you, you also play a Capriola, Fedez. So, they said, tell us what song it is. At one point, everyone was like, John Legend's All of Me, is it possible? So, they said, this couple likes All of Me by John Legend. Study, piano, that one sings, you do it. But a week later, another couple, look, we have our song.

We hear what it is, it's John Legend's All of Me. At a certain point, everyone was asking for All of Me by John Legend. And so I thought, people don't have a personality. These have been at the wedding of the friend, their friend, they said, beautiful, let's do it too. And so at a certain point, a thread is born of the wedding song, regardless of the tastes of the two spouses,

also because husband and wife don't always have the same tastes. And so I think, Sal, that now you are the new John Legend. I think it's already happened.

Every now and then I see that they sing this song, they put it on, they do these group dances, it's beautiful. Music does this, it puts everyone together a little, it's like beauty. I'm remembering Fedez, a few years ago I was in Disneyland Paris and he was with his family, but he was alone. There was a man, of course, working with you.

You saw me at Disneyland?

I saw you, and I wanted to get closer to say hello. He didn't let me get closer. He was a Neapolitan?

I swear, I swear.

How many years ago?

He was a kid.

No, no, five, I just wanted to say hello. No, no, no, walk a little further. Imagine if he was here today, and I was like no, no, no, no, I'm a guest of the band. No, he was doing it in your band. I was doing the interview in the band.

Yeah, I'm sorry.

See, if it wasn't for this... It wasn't my indication.

Absolutely not.

He knew it, he did it. That's Sal Da Vinci, not Fabio Cimbala. But a similar thing. He pretended. You did that too? Tell me the truth. Because I discovered you this year. This thing is not known much.

He did it with Topolino. No, not Neapolitan.

He gave precise indications, not terrors!

What a shit!

But sorry, the top 3, at this point, top 3 of wedding songs

I have one, I have one, I had the song Il mio matrimonio, I wouldn't have wanted it, but then I suffered it, which is beautiful, which is Perfect by Ed Sheeran.

It was the other one, John Lennon. Exactly, the other one.

They had Perfect and Hell of Me, I couldn't get the other one. Ok, and the other two?

Go, Sal, your classic.

No, but he's the one.

No, mine.

He's at the top of the classics.

From now on he's beaten everyone in Italy, but year ago Rosetta e Caffè was very popular, especially in weddings. This year I think it's starting to be more and more.

But in your past, which one did you have to sing or did you hear from other weddings?

One is important, Mr. Da Vinci.

You know, at the time, a few years ago, I think when still ... what happened? Always Silvio. Silvio is his name? Silvio? Silvio, always Silvio, who controls Always Silvio Is his name Silvio?

Yes, yes

He is a big fan

Exactly

We were saying?

No You know I don't remember because I always remember this fantastic moment that the spouses always arrive late

The wife, above all

No, the wife, because by now the function in church has already been done, but they go after the function to take pictures So they do it, you know, like you leave at noon, I mean at 11 in church, and then the night comes, it seems, to leave you have to pay the bag, it's a kind of kidnapping of people, but to leave you pay the bag and you go Having said that, I remember these marriages because I think it's a very big family and then it happened to me that the piano starts to put things in place and it sounds to you not the horses of battle, those things that... Those of aperitivo ones, the ambience

Yes, the ambience, you do it or you don't

The music for aperitif, the one that doesn't bother the spouses

No, but the spouses still have to come So, for example, the husband comes, the cousin comes, the aunt, the wife, the uncle, all the relatives And they stay like 3 hours like this and you can't get close to the buffet

How dramatic! We, maybe less professional than the musicians you are surrounded by, we did it a little bit in turns Like, this song without keyboard, I was going to get the rustic ones This one without drums, and the drummer was... We were five and every now and then one would get off, eat...

I remember this beautiful song by Bruno Martino that I used to hear every now and then Summer? Yes And they call it summer This summer without you

This is an aperitif song?

No, more than an aperitif It's after the first one After the first one? After the first one it started because it calmed down a bit And then there was also the Zumba Zumba Zumba Zumba always starts.

What is Zumba Zumba? In our time we started to fuck a little bit Zumba Zumba was like

Ah yes, yes

So this thing started And then there was the mythical moment when the night was in focus We started with the Rich and the Poor We started with the viola Valentino si partiva dentro con tutto quella musica che poi tra l'altro Virgolette io sono stato un grande fan di di toto coutinho che ha scritto delle canzoni

fantastiche delle melodie fantastiche Che hanno comunque hanno rappresentato un periodo gli anni 80 importante Fuori come quelli le canzoni dal bar no le canzoni di ricca e poveri e via via they represented a period of the 80s, important, like Albano songs, Rich and Poor songs and so on. Today I struggle a little bit how to get out of Italy, how to make us listen to Italian music. That's something I ask myself, because Italian music makes it a bit difficult to get out of Italy and this is something we have to question because in our country

some music, I'm not saying all of it, because there are those who are great those who have the knowledge of their music, their voice, the way of transmitting things, concepts and so on and then there are the crumbs, the other collections that fall and so there are fakes of fakes but outside our country we really struggle

think how much music comes out in our country and can't cross the border

well you know because the Italian is spoken in a few places in the world.

No, it's not that, because even in the past they spoke it very little. But they were successful, you see, Lamazotti, Pausini...

But there were more connections, you know, maybe...

Today it would be even better, because today there are connections,

at the time there were some connections, some songs were very much listened in the Soviet Union, in a certain historical period

But to go around the world, it's not enough to stop in Europe, I'll give you an example It's not enough, the Soviet Union that then bathes the rest of the world, it doesn't work like that

We were more powerful, we were as relevant as the nation

They made the Spanish versions, Pausini, Ramazan, they made the Spanish versions Tiziano ruined his career Tuscany is ours

For the C? Is Tuscany winning the C? Top guys! I knew that Emilia Romagna would have voted for C I could feel it Do you know the story of Tiziano Ferro? At a certain point, at the peak of his career

He was considered one of the top artists in South America, he has a step to win the Latin Grammy, he goes to Fazio and decides to say this incredible thing I hate South America! He sits down and... He was like Enrique Iglesias, Tiziano Ferro, the South American idol He sits down and decides to say, well, Mexican women have all the looks And the same Fazio, who is not... No!

No, the same Fazio says, I dissociate myself I dissociate myself from this thing And he had to go on TV in South America to get a waxing Nice, nice, nice. But why do they keep doing interviews? Even in Milan they played in the referendum, in Macello No, no, no. Shhh. You don't want to?

Yes, yes. I'll do a lot. Instead of those, apart from Sallo, obviously, of those recent ones, who do you think is the strongest Italian singer in weddings?

Achille Lauro? Achille Lauro is the best? Orietta Berti?

She was great

Orietta Berti too Orietta Berti was great But the one from once or the one from the new songs?

I think the one featuring Fede

Yes

That one could work That one worked a lot

That one is not bad

In my opinion

Listen, no

Kif, you're wrong I mean, what's our problem? To understand what the fuck are my weddings today? Exactly! They said, we did La Meloni, he argued with everyone, and no!

Everyone was mad at him, he interviewed La Meloni, and he was quiet

I was quiet, I didn't say anything

I've seen too many, I've seen them happen, now he's getting a little bit of bad stuff It's ok, it's ok

Did you like the interview with La Meloni?

I already knew everything, so... Big fan! I already knew everything, I already knew him, Giorgio said the usual thing about him

His repertoire

No, I didn't like it, there were some strange cuts, there's a point where she says something that was here, right?

No

There was a beautiful picture with all the MSI logos Ah, you played playing at home!

I recommend you to be tough! Tell me a little about the cuts. There was a funny cut, where Meloni says something, Giorgia Meloni, and says No, why do we have... you ask a question, I don't remember, I don't understand anything, but you asked a question and Meloni says, no, because Iraq, we now, yes, then obviously taking into account also the whole problem that there was there and there, and there is a guy with you who says, sure! Francesco Mileto. Do you know where that cut is? It's the one that's in post-credit. It's the one that this gentleman is putting on the microphone.

Because actually the cuts are only technical. Cutting.

This one wasn't bad.

But, well, I saw it.

Anyway, how much are we?

Let's see.

It seems that he won the yes. Let's go!ol won the yes.

Let's go!

The propaganda worked. We are influential guys, we did it. Listen, let's go back to the music. There was a question before you talked about politics. You said the problem is the songs that are made at weddings. No, it's not a problem.

You are now covered. Think if at some point no one at the one... No, it's too obvious. We want a co-lead, Sheila. So, I'll ask you another question. What rituals are there in Italy that need a repertoire of songs?

Like, what other events? Easter. Easter? There are no Easter songs.

There are Christmas songs, but no Easter songs. In Raleigh there is only one for funerals, which is played all the time

Hallelujah, you can play it all Yes

There's a monopoly on funerals

Yes, a little bit

I don't know

What other events are there? Bar Mitzvah But guys, Christmas...

I think Italian songs on songs are not made. How not? At Christmas you can.

But that's an ad. But it's a hit, guys. But we didn't write much on Christmas.

Also because Americans can write songs on Christmas continuously. John Legend made one, also beautiful. John Legend gets drunk song, also beautiful, called... John Legend gets all the festivities No, but John Legend did a song, very memorable, it was never calculated, but you could feel it, hearing it, it was beautiful, it's called You Deserve It All, now we'll make you do this...

Come on!

But you could feel that John Legend said, let's do the Christmas song, I mean, he wasn not inspired. While Mariah Carey believes in it.

She believed in it.

But the fact is that they manage to do so many Christmas songs without ever talking about anything. Because Christmas is a party.

Do you know how many songs Mariah Carey sings in just the Christmas period?

Mariah, holy shit. Look, we think the same thing about you as marriage. I mean, I used to think about it, but now I think about it. How many people got married today? Ten? Anyway, that world of positioning is beautiful.

Achille Lauro was also smart with 16 March. He gets married once a year, and he gets married. That's a bit of an entrepreneur. Imagine writing February 29th, you make a lira. Once every four years, we'll hear a little bit. There's also the song of Massimo Moranire, 20 years old.

All 20 years old.

It's true. One that goes strong in Italy, of songs that are valid in many situations, is Bella Ciao, that one too in many situations. Bella Ciao. That one too, Martella.

He's never heard it. It's a song that the guys sing with funny ideas. The magistrates.

No, no.

No, but yes, Bella Ciao.

The other day there was a charity game right here in Vicino Mil, in Limbiate and this triangle with the magistrates which was two or three days before the referendum

So today?

What an incredible thing!

I swear, really, I did something the other day, because it was the end of the world, with the Italian National Singing Contest

Football?

Football, yes, a football match Against the National Magistrates? Against the National Magistrates and then the diplomats Contro la nazionale magistrati. Contro la nazionale magistrati e poi i diplomatici. A certo punto la prima partita io entro, nel senso che ho iniziato, a certo punto uno dei magistrati mi salta proprio qui sull'anca,

io sono svenuto dal dolore. Allora, no, devo dire la verità, tutti simpatici, tutti simpatici, tutti veramente... Anche per noi, eh, ragazzi! It's for us too, guys! Great, great! We could have asked for more because they were so kind to do this At a certain point before the end of the game

I had this ball on the line I shot and he came practically a bit late Always him?

No, one, I don't remember his name, at some point he kicked me in the back of the head I swear, I saw the angels, but at that moment I didn't feel anything, you know when you have a bump and you stop there I went to the bathroom, I took a shower, because there was the other game, I go to a hotel nearby, there was a car that was taking me to Malpensa At some point, in the bathroom, I started to feel a violent pain You know, you feel those things when you're taking your feet off I can't walk, I get to the door, and Alessandro says, what's wrong?

I say, I have a pain here, this is the blow I got from the magistrate And this is always before the referendum. Remember me. At a certain point...

What an incredible moment, guys.

I go to the door and I can't walk. I can't walk, I was sweating cold, I was in pain. I said, my God, I think I hurt myself. But you with the Eurovision at your doorstep I imagine you were about to play the match with the magistrates You had a house of your own

I have a house of my own I have a house of an ambassador who lost his life in an attack A few years ago So he remembered this great man At a certain point I go to the airport Someone sees me, approaches me grande uomo. A certo punto vado in aeroporto, qualcuno mi vede, si avvicina, ma che succede?

Ci facciamo una fotografia? Io ho un piede che mi fa male. Dico, ma un attimo se lo prendiamo una sedia a rotelle? Dico, no guarda, sedia a rotelle proprio no, perché mi fotografano lì, siamo su tutti i social. E mi hanno portato people who have to go to the airport get on before the others. So I found myself in a room, it seems a bit weird, but I thank everyone for the great welcome. Meanwhile, the pain didn't pass me and so I threw down various medicines, anti-inflammatories, but nothing. And I took pictures with everyone, but from the pool...

No, I wanted to create some atmosphere.

From the pool...

The friend's room.

The friend's room. At some point I go there and I took pictures with everyone, because I This bitter smile, a bit sweet and bitter between lipstick and coffee So this bitter smile, I wanted to almost die Not to be rude to the others, not to the FEDEX That makes people go away You didn't send the butta out Ok, ok, ok, but I did this thing

When I got to Buta, I remembered the majesty! Because I came home and my wife asked me what I was doing. The classic, I say, but you have to go to Eurovision, You have to explain to everyone. In fact, in the film, so I speak well on the track, the lady who always tells what happens...

I filmed it before, did you notice? Yes. They said, can I make a poetic thought?

A poetic thought, great decrescence. Well, then at a certain point I turn around, I turn around, my mother, my mother-in-law's cooked, my brother, who understands you? And you have to give an answer to everyone, it's better not to say anything, but the only thing I remembered and in my opinion that was the decisive thing, was the magistrate's kick, that poor guy, he didn't want to hit me, there would be no other way.

Do you realize how many years ago Gratteri was? He wasn't Gratteri You never told me before What role did you take in this game? I'm a wing, but a lost wing Dear...

Prosecutor

Who was there at the door?

I don't know. A national team player They won the game Who was there at the door? I don't know. A guy from the national team. They won.

It happens to all of us to meet a person, like in this case, who has famous songs made by him or her, and when...

I have a problem with animals.

But this seems ok to me. I don't know how problem with animals. But this one seems ok to me. I don't know how to relate to it. If he did it to me, I would have thrown it on the mic. I would have thrown it away. Look how beautiful it is. It's beautiful.

Apart from jokes, it's not... I have problems when they jump on me, when they touch me. No, you realize that you meet a singer, and you don't trust her, but inside you you sing her song. Like when I saw you before, I liked you, I did it, but I said, I have to be quiet, I'm always stupid. I understand, I see you and I say, no, I don't get along with you. No, because you're more soulful. So I think... Instead this year...

Instead this year... Very nice, very nice. Fedez and Masina had a song that really...

But it still entered everyone's hearts, because it's a song that gets a lot of spoilers.

A lot of spoilers?

What do you mean? They tell you how it ends... I mean, what Spotify it works a lot, on YouTube it works a lot, it's shared a lot. Who's talking to you? It's different.

Another thing, I noticed, correct me if I'm wrong, there's a trend between rap and pop songs together, like the one you did with, listen here, Marco. Marco Masini, I don't know him that well. I thought you were going to write something.

I still have to clean your microphone.

Ah, so you don't like it either. Once there was a pop song where at some point the rapper would say his own thing, which was the same concept as the song but with more words, in a more incisive way, and then the singer would come back and say what he said before, a little weak because you do it, it will be forever yes, then Fede comes and says it will be forever yes, because every time I say yes you tell me it will be forever yes, and then the ball comes back to you that you have to do it, and now he has already said more things. The melodic singer, the harmonica singer

Pop, pop, pop Popular music

He does the chorus while you destroy the whole thing It's always been like this

I remember, for example, Sacre Square, the words were not pronounced like that No, but when there were duets I'll translate it In the duetting era, featuring was the rap that put a different part No, today you sing too I mean, one who comes from a trap music But the singer always does the pop part

But in this case you did it too, you sang the melodic part too, right? Yes, even with Call Me By Your Name The music has been transformed a bit The melody has been inserted in the urban

I did a non-question, what I meant is that you no longer use the pop song where at a certain point... There's no more that weird stuff In Sanremo, what do you think?

Well, you don't do it anymore

Rare maybe There's the whole song and then, instead of the special there's the rapper who does it for you

and then it's gone I think it's gone You can make it more concrete what you said before on Sall that you sing your voice when you see it

Oh, here it is. This is the famous Neapolitan keyboard.

Listen.

Listen, let's do your song of Sanremo.

Do what you want. You know it? I...

You know it?

It depends on the time. Come on, two minutes. Two minutes, yes.

Go.

No, you do it. You have to sing it. Me? What are you doing? I'm watching you, but I'm doing the chorus.

No, do it well. I can't do the part of

In front of God There you go, there you go. We already know You see, the key is right because

Now you're even catching me. They have this little one, you see, the money from FedEx Fedez's money. In the end, it's these guys. We had to win the prize. Because he spends it to do other things in life. I know, I know. I was thinking, maybe, about charity initiatives.

Come on, together.

We will be, you and me, forever, bound by life, that without you, we can't go anywhere.

We will be, you and me, forever, bound by life, that without you, we can't go anywhere. together. Oh Sorry, Mario, it's a pussy

Sam

My best friend

I'm a

Zumba zumba Ascultata una persona semi del telefono versione bellissima I've been listening to an Arabic version of a marriage, an Arabic version of Forever Yes. Here it is.

It's cool, though.

It's an Arabic version. I'm glad Adriano Pennino sent it to me this morning. Great. He said, look what they did for you. I don't know if it works well here. Here it is, not now. Do you want it like this? here, but here it is. Not now.

You wanted it like this. No, no, this is strong. Wait. Here it is.

Here it is.

It will always be there. In my opinion, this always done with the I. Always.

It's beautiful!

It's beautiful. It's great. This is the female version of Femin femicide, if you don't say. This one, yes, yes.

Guys, but this is my photo, look, my face.

It's always Arabic.

Damn it! It's a bit of a Will Survive arrangement, is that what you wanted? There's also a bit of a Disco Music thing.

Yes, yes.

Well, thank you to this work group that you know well, Merck & Cremo. Ale La Cava. Ale La Cava, Federico Abbate, my son Francesco also signed.

Really?

Yes.

So it was a real condominium. Many years ago, if you used it like that, without a singer, you could get to it with your song. Maybe there were two or three authors at most.

Now there are 500.

Three already, you know, they were already in the news. Now it's all a condominium. Even the lady down there wrote...

And among those who bring coffee, a point of desire. And anyway, that thing about the translation linked to the I, guys, is a fundamental theme. Because he could easily do the versions in all languages, even...

Without singing it himself.

By making a little mistake, then he fixes it in the I, they have already done it, for example, also with the actors. For example, there was a big controversy, because in The Brutalist, I think, there were parts of a correct actor, then in AI, and so, obviously,

it's a matter of discussion. One could say, well, but there are digital effects, so that changes too, but obviously, giving the prize to the actor who had those correct micro parts, not the acting, the right ones in post, it's a battle of principles.

I think the only thing they can't clone is the heart. Absolutely.

Actually, they could.

At the expense of the cardiopaths.

Absolutely not.

You made a nice gaffe. How are you? Good? I said we don't exchange information before the live, so I ask you how are you? I ask you live. No, no, good. Ah, then it's ok. So no, you can't close your heart.

But you mean the soul. The mind explains what life is, but it's with the heart that you live it, right? So the artificial intelligence will never get there?

How many songs of this kind have been made with an AI help?

Six.

Six?

No. No, I don't think so. An AI help? I don't think so.

The only thing I can say is that the song with Marco, initially, before proposing it to Marco, we sang the chorus and we put Marco's voice with the A.

But it's a test!

But the text is not. No, no, no, I think he heard it. No, but the texts written by the A are not good.

So help yourself to take it.

No, help yourself in the arrangement, because if you do the A... He makes you become orchestrated. I don't know, I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know. I don't think so, guys. This year, no. I don't know anyone who... I think they use AI on some programs to produce, but I think it's to fix the voice, to do some Italian roles. But my question is, what changes at the level of principle? If we have already authorized a lot of... because it was said the same about electronic music in the past, right?

No, I do it on the piano, that's not music.

Even back then. You have to be an accelerationist.

No, you turn off creativity, absolutely. No, I mean when, obviously not when you're playing

individually, when do you accompany?

No, because in my opinion, music should not be accompanied by artificial intelligence, otherwise it is not true, honest, sincere, it has no strength, in my opinion. Then, artificial intelligence is useful in other areas, as well as in music, as Fedez said before,

that there are some corrections that optimize things, but it has nothing to do with a more technical fact.

Technical things, like broken guitars, that the sound you have to cut and now it cuts it automatically

One person says that, and maybe he's not the only one who has never downloaded chatgpt I'm an enemy of machines but I think they're right, so I'll fight for humanity but in reality they're right

Grock is much better than chatgpt

I have no idea

Another label! The main problem, besides the satisfaction you get when you write a song and then you make it, you arrange it, you go to the studio and you compose it with the other components, that's something that gives you satisfaction. Today, with programs of artificial intelligence, you can have a guitar and a voice and you ask him to arrange it in the 60s style.

But he does it.

It's a bad thing. It's terrible, but he does it. Unfortunately, he does it quite well. What comes out is not monstrous, it's pleasant. But I think the main problem is for us, not artists, but for us, fruiters. Once, if I heard that you tomorrow wrote a song for your daughter

that is the baby that you wrote for your daughter and to do it you called an orchestra you sang, you always talked about singing I hear it and I say, fuck Davide, what the fuck he's done, cool. If you tomorrow do the same thing, writing a text

like that, and then you make me hear it I can do it, and then I don't think about that thing anymore. I'm not a big fan of Star Wars, but I think the first Star Wars was very popular because among other things, there was also the fact that the director started doing all these things. He did a human work behind it. He did a puppet to do something, he built a...

They did a job that somehow as a user you come and say, damn, they fought to do this thing.

Because you see the path, in my opinion. You can feel it, you can feel the year.

In my opinion, you see, as a man, as a human being,

you see the path behind the art that communicates in the end.

At the time there was an analog tape, there was an analog machine that had a very hot, round sound, then came the digital tape, which was colder, you felt more plastic Then we went back to the mix, where things were going...

Today everything is done through a computer, so you have lost the taste of going to record store, to line up I think that's something that the new generation hasn't experienced I think it's also changed the fruition of music I mean, maybe once you started with the record tour you took more time to listen to it now you can listen to it on the phone while you're doing something else

you can listen to it on TikTok

Why do you have to do this?

It's a nostalgic moment

In fact, we are broken, we are broken This thing won't change It won't change It won't change because through a smartphone, our world walks with this

I'm all the opposite It's not right? ***** We have a referendum result, which we have also bet on. So we made a bet on Meloni. We put money in it and we will become the most powerful podcast in Europe if we make Meloni win. Valerio, please, tell us the result of the referendum.

Who won? We're in.

Let's explain that the episode was shot today, it's the... Well, well, well. You know. Today is March 24th. No, we don't know yet. It's March 24th. No, we don't know yet. It seems like one of the two is going well.

No, guys, it's been a great day. I don't make great meetings. I'm glad you made peace. We never fought.

I read badly then. On X.

Yes, on X I read. No, no, really. It's been a nice day.

I'm a little emotional.

Emotional?

Yeah.

You don't have to promote anything.

I'm the only one who came. I made a little figure.

Propose something. Yes, I'm the only one who's moving, I made a little figure. Propose something. Yes, I'll propose something. I'm going to... Now, shortly after Eurovision, a tour will start this summer, which will take me to the Arena Flegheria in Naples on September 25th and 26th, then we'll add other dates, so I'll give you a preview.

Great. Great. Yes.

They don't get on with mine No, absolutely In those two dates, I celebrate my 50th anniversary and it's the first time I've been on stage so there will be this great mega party or rather, these parties and meetings which is, of course, a bit on a larger scale

than the tour that will be there in the next summer and then, of course, on May 29 my new album will be released by Inediti Fedez took a huge step that will be there next summer. Then, of course, on May 29, my new album will be released, of unpublished works. Fedez has taken a commitment with me that he will come to the Arena Flegrea

in Naples to meet me. So he found me. So, listen.

He said, I'm coming, I'm coming. Blocked. You had the photo of Nino Nero once. I met him.

It's true. Do you have my number?

Yes, yes, I don't know why. You know Nino Nero? Yes, I met him.

He's a guy who is in Naples. He does the cover of Nino D'Angelo. He's black. He's the most... He's the most... He's the most scary singer in La Lega.

He's Neapolitan and black. That's his slogan.itan and also black. This is his slogan, you don't know it.

I would choose him.

Does this still exist?

No, I've always had it as a WhatsApp photo.

The black Nino.

The black Nino.

Now, instead, there's nothing. People ask me, why did Fedez block me?

Ah no, no, no. I told him, he was a great person, I told him, but you know that the singer, podcaster, Fedez, has your photo as a profile picture? He was all happy. He has yours.

Black, you turn that too. Black, but in the heart. You have to unmark.

In fact, listen, what do I have to do? A forum.

No, I have to come to the arena.

You have to come to the arena.

It's a forum.

What the fuck is a small talk?

On the 27th of September, I don't remember.

25th of September.

How do you come to Dumi?

When are you?

25th, 26th and then we add other people.

I come on the 26th. 25, 26 and then we add other events. Guys, I'm sorry, but I really have no words. You all have your commitments, one above the other.

What are you doing?

Maybe they're just those.

It's absurd. What do I have to promote? You, on June 30, 31, you'll be at the Conciliazione auditorium to see the legendary Valerio Lundini. Of course, of course. I'll come to all these three events.

You know, at the Conciliation Theatre, I'll be there too, in Rome. So I'll come to see you, you'll come to see me.

From October, of course, I'll go to the theatre. I think this is the most compromising episode in the history of podcasts, because we exchanged reciprocal promises that we could never keep it. It will become the slogan of those who say, yes, I think, as long as I know. He said a nice thing.

I keep my promises.

You are, you are. Also because if little by little, during the show, I do it like this and I don't see Saldavinci, a myth collapses for me. Because the whole thing about 11 in the morning, the thing... In Rome, it's closer than going to... But then you cancel him at that point. No, I cancel him. Like Rosalia, who I know will have a concert in Milan after the referendum.

I already know she'll feel bad.

Yes, because they said she's not doing well at the moment.

So, we'll see each other. We'll exchange numbers. I'll send you her number. She has Nino Nero's picture. Thank you so much for watching. Thank you all! Ciao!

Ciao!

We'll see you again!

Bye! Can you make that thing you said earlier about the room more concrete? That you sing your voice when you see it? Can we play it?

We've got it!

Go ahead! Make a magic cut here. when you see it. Ah, we can play it. We got it, we got it, we got it! Of course, go.

Come on. Here, make a magic cut in which...

Oh!

The keyboard appears.

Easy, huh?

Easy, this one costs.

It's rented.

Make a cut here. What's this called?

Oh, here it is. This is a... the famous Neapolitan keyboard. Listen. I'm a Neapolitan keyboard player. Listen...

Listen, let's do your Sanremo song. Do that one.

I'd like to send you a long message in which I read a beautiful story.

I'm hanging up.

Thanks for the advice, Treppuntini.

In the end, I decided to simply tell you my story. In the end, I decided to simply tell you my story.

Number one.