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We were sent to a place where a car was hit.

A car?

Yes. It was a wreck. It was a wreck. We were taken to the hospital. We were told to arrange out who was the one who was hit. I told them,

this man was dead before he was put in the train. I was surprised. I went out and I was surprised. My friend was outside. He said, you've been here all this time?

Yes, ma'am. Then, who did I talk to? He said, I've been talking to myself. Then, you were inside? Ma'am, I've been here all this time.

Here's the result of my writing. Then, there were detectives waiting, they said, the one who sent the body, I've been here with you.

We just heard you talking to yourself.

We were sad yesterday, that Almarhum Reno and Farhan were finally found. What indications did you find during the autopsy? Oh, yeah. The Death of a Doctor Maybe not everyone is able to see the different faces of death. Especially when they reveal something behind the death Today, I have a forensic doctor with me Maybe you already know him

And many of you requested to invite him So, I finally invited him for you Mrs. Hastri Hello, Mrs. Hastri

Hello

Thank you for coming to RJL

Sure

So, if I may ask, for about 25 years as a forensic doctor, how many forensic murders have you handled? I don't count, maybe hundreds. If it's with disasters,

it can be thousands or more. Thousands? I've been involved in bombings, earthquakes, tsunamis, forest fires, floods.

Thousands of them, that's amazing. If I may ask, what kind of education do you need to get to be a forensic doctor?

Well, we have to graduate from a general medical school first. After that, it's free to choose my specialist. I graduated as a doctor, then I joined the police force, and then I took up forensic specialist.

I also saw that you were already a senior in high school, right?

Yes.

Which is related to forensic.

Yes.

I'm sorry, is this passion or what?

Passion.

Passion, right? Because it's important for identification. Because there are some cases of explosions related to the dead human body, we found the body part. I think if we have a DNA profile,

the population in Indonesia, the investigators or the Densus will be easy. If we meet the body part, we don't know who they are. If we have the profile, we can see, oh, it turns out the population is here, here, here. So, the Densus investigators are easy.

They must have a TPO. According to the initial identification, the body part is from the population of Java, Dayak, Batak, or Toraja, or Sunda, or Papua. Maybe it can be told, you went to Paralang with Erjel Satset,

what is the job of a forensic doctor? The role of a forensic doctor in general is to handle all events related to human bodies to make it clear, human bodies can live and die, but society knows they die. I also examine human have a lot of experience of human bodies being examined as a result of violence.

Even more than violence. That's the role of forensic doctors. So we use our medical knowledge to make clear this process of treatment. So it's clear whether

there is a crime or not.

So it's like there are dialogues between a forensic doctor and the victim.

From the thousands of victims you handled in forensic, which one was the most difficult? All cases are the same, there are always difficulties and ease. Because we work to help them return to their families in a good way and to be identified. And it's clear, is this really a murder victim? ***, is it an accident? And if there is no crime, the perpetrator will be arrested immediately. The victim's body may have calmed down. That's what we think.

Because without realizing it, they also have a very important human sensation,

which is identification. they also have a very important human sense,

which is identification.

Before we get into the case, in some cultures, it is believed that after someone dies, the soul is still around the person. Have you ever felt that when you were in the autopsy room, you felt that the soul of the corpse was still there?

Yes, sometimes. Unless, well, maybe in some cases, Except for a few cases where I was able to examine the victim. When I was in the Semarang police station, my own commander was shot by his men. I did an autopsy, I took care of him until he was buried. I was always there for her, even though she was just a hologram. Not a real person.

Or when I was handling the case of the Brimok case, I knew some of the victims well. There was a woman who always wore a black jacket. If I had an autopsy, sometimes she would accompany me.

Okay, sorry, we're all on the same page. So, the commander was shot by the fruit boy. Then you had an autopsy in the corpse room. At the time of the autopsy, there was a hologram.

Yes, he accompanied me. Because I was shocked. We didn't know at the time, it happened so fast. Before it happened, I was in Jogja. Garuda Air Class, in 2007. He was very attentive.

I took care of his health, I remembered the time. Because after I got home, I wanted to report that something happened. He was shot in his room. We were gathering in the morning. We knocked on the door.

We could catch the perpetrator. But he was executed by his friends. He died on the spot. We took both of them to the morgue. I was shocked. I went straight to the morgue. I saw people with gunshot wounds on several parts of their bodies.

Their faces looked calm, but because it was so close to me, I felt like I was going to die. At that time, I was a forensic doctor, so I had to do the autopsy. The police told me to do the autopsy, to examine the bullet, and then reconstruct it. You can take the bullets for reconstruction later. It's appropriate if the bullets are from which weapon, whose weapon. Of course, the police will pull back for the weapon's owner. Why can it be in the hands of the perpetrator?

How can it be taken? It will definitely be a long process. I was sure that the process would be long. I was alone with two tennis players. I felt like a mess. I just wanted to clean up his wounds. We took his bullets.

I felt like he was there, like a hologram. Then, that day, I also arrived, I went to the funeral, he was buried in Belgota, with a series of official ceremonies at the Capolda government.

Because I was too tired, I was tired, I got home at 8 or 9 at night. I fell asleep. When I fell asleep, I remembered that day. He came to me and thanked me in a hijab. Because he was a Munaik Haji.

So before becoming a Munaik Haji, he passed away?

Yes. I got to know his wife well. I told her, you can rest assured. He came to my dream wearing a hijab. And he smiled.

We talked and said thank you. Until a few... But I still have a good relationship with his wife, Almarhum. She's Arisan's friend. She's still with her son-in-law. He has a grandson now.

That's it. After that, it's been a while. I'm afraid that I'll be dreaming again at night.

After the story from there, right? But, I'm sorry, but the hologram was in the autopsy room? How was the hologram means when you're in the autopsy room? Yes. What does a hologram look like?

It's like, it's there, but... ...it's just a reflection.

Is it next to the corpse?

Yes. It can walk, it can go here and there, but it uses a stick. It's like it's there, like... ...what is it? But I can't talk, I couldn't hold it.

Oh, he was there, but it was like a walk.

But he didn't speak. No, he was still there.

Like a human, but if we were, would we pass through?

I don't know, I didn't try.

Oh, you didn't try?

I didn't think about it, I just felt that he was there, then I saw him and I was like, okay. How did it feel to be in an autopsy and see a hologram like that? I think it helped me to make the process easier. Because we're looking for a bullet, it's not as easy as people imagine. Maybe the bullet is in the bone, in other organs that are not visible. At that time, we didn't photor-ray, we opened the wound immediately. Because it was faster.

Usually, for a shot wound, the surgeon has to do a full X-ray to know where the wound is. At that time, I just bled. I felt that he was there. And I... did a good job, and... even though I was upset and sad,

You were hit, especially your friend.

Yes, I was focused on my work. Because he was a client of Klaten, there was a quake in Klaten. What year was that? 2003 or 2004. I went there to help him.

I usually, because I'm from Central Java, help identify the victims who died. He knew me first, and he was nice. Then, he moved to Tabes Marang Forest, and became my direct commander.

If I may ask, why were you shot?

By his son. I remember that his son didn't accept that he was being transferred. He was emotional. Because he was in the body. We were ordinary officers, we were transferred according to the needs of the organization. But maybe because we were too emotional or shocked,

he was very emotional, so he did those sadistic actions.

And then, one more thing, what about the Mako Blimok?

Mako Blimok was just in 2018 or 2019. There were 6 of them. I think it was 2019. I forgot. Before COVID. The one that was called,

the criminals, the terrorists were sold, bought a mob. The guards were friends of Densus. They were rebelling. They wanted to escape and fight back.

If I'm not mistaken, the one who exploded?

Yes.

Six people, Densus' victims, were 88.

So, the mother was in charge of the bodies?

I was alone when I was picked up. There were 6 people in the first ward. The 5 of them were doing their training in Surabaya. I was alone when I was picked up. I took care of everything myself. I was helped by the tenancy.

So when you were doing the autopsy, she was a friend of the police?

Yes, one of the victims. One that I know well. She liked to wear black jackets, black leather jackets. She was there.

In the autopsy room?

Yes, like a silhouette. She didn't say anything, but I felt like I was being helped. Maybe he was trying to encourage me, so I could focus on my work. So I wasn't too sad, like, this is so sadistic, this is how it is. And that was when, maybe I'm talking about Dini Darko,

when there was a scene in the zoo, he liked to, if someone passed by, the bell will ring. Right? What is it?

What bell, ma'am?

Bell... Yeah, the bell at that time. Because... What is it? Like... A signal.

Because they like to be smart.

There are a lot of tricks in the dark. He's a smart guy. He has a lot of tricks.

Yes. But, I couldn't do it. He tried to ring the bell, but I couldn't. I couldn't do it. I just said, I couldn't be covered by Mr. Yudi.

He said that. He was my friend's godfather. He was so surprised. All the cameramen inside were standing there, and they were all cursing. I told him, Mr. Yudi, think about it.

Then the bell rang.

Like that.

Who was that?

The one from the old movie.

So, you were also involved in the cover?

No, after that. After that, I wanted to see the situation of the orphanage. And talk to them inside. After that, the pill was gone. I told him to think about it.

I'm studying anthropology, and I really want to know if there are any languages between forensic doctors and the bodies? In the sense that there are messages delivered to Mrs. Hastri.

There are no messages from the bodies. But we, forensic doctors, can see the wounds. So we can describe the wounds as being caused by violence, by gunshot wounds, or other traumas. For example, drinking without realizing it,

and then, God willing, he was hanged. It felt like he was going to die. Or, he was put in the water, and God willing, he was thrown into the dark. Or, I was thrown into a deep puddle, or thrown from an apartment or a hotel,

as if I had fallen, as I said, in an accident. We saw the wound, we had to know, forensic doctor, if the wound was found before or after he died. When I took the school, in the unit, because I was still alone school, I was alone.

I thought to myself, I found my friends, the forest service investigators, sent a truckload of people.

A truckload?

Yes. It was a lot. When we were taken to the police station, we arranged the body. We knew which head was the dead one. I said,

this body was dead first, then they put it on the train. It was not there. It was true. I was alone in the hospital's corpse room. The door was one.

The technician was at the front door, and I was in charge of the administration. So, I went out through one door. I was staring at the door for 3-4 hours. I was staring at the door hands, and so on. Because I had to explain to him first,

how many victims were there in this one body. If it was a human body, there would be one skull, one shoulder bone, two thigh bones, and two right bones. I found all of them, and I found the other one. Even though it was a small one, I still made puzzles.

I never played with puzzles when I was a kid. I made puzzles with the human body. I was talking to my friend, my friend who was my friend. I never thought I was alone. I had a friend. I was so tired.

That's when it started to develop. Because before, I did something that... my instinct or my instinct opened up. I did something that was instinctive, I was open to it. I told him, in terms of forensic science,

this, this, this, he died first. So, there was a suspect. Why was he suddenly in the train, in the train station?

So, there was a suspect. He was a victim of murder. I went out, and I was shocked. My friend was outside. He said, You've been here?

Yes, ma'am. Then, who did I talk to? He said, You've been talking to yourself. I said, You're inside. Ma'am, I've been talking to myself. He said, you're inside. I said, I've been here.

This is the result of my writing. Then, there was a detective friend who was waiting, he said, the one who sent the body, I've been here with me. We just listened to each other. You were talking to yourself.

I was talking, but he called me. He called her friend. I talked to her, but she didn't know who I was.

But you were the same person. Exactly the same. But she didn't talk when you talked?

She talked, she was whispering.

Whispering?

Yes. I heard that yesterday.

So...

It was a real incident.

You were discussing the case, the chronology of the incident, and she was saying, yes, it's true.

Yes, I was saying, this is a wound, this is impossible, this is an accident, there's no injury at all, the wound,

the bruise is like this. So, it's true when he was dead, he was hit, so it was different. There should be blood everywhere, but there wasn't any. There was blood, but not as bad as in an accident.

The shape of the wound was also very irregular. So, it was soft. It was like, maybe when he so soft. It was like a dead animal. We cut it into pieces. The flesh came out.

Yes. I told him myself. I thought he was my assistant. He was helping me. But it wasn't. Maybe he was the victim.

Then I checked his teeth. I wanted to know. First, we need to know his type of animal.

What type of animal.

From his teeth, from his jawbone. And his age. We measured and saw. I had been counting for a long time. I measured and counted. I said, you're a man, right?

He said, yes. Then, age? Then, how old are you? 20 or 25? He said, 25.

He was like that.

He was my tendency. Because he was copying my tendency. Then, when? The time of death, that's important. The detective was also very... ...excited and knew it was time for me to die.

Because I was the witness for Ali B's actions. It was a difficult time for me to die, but I thought, this is new. It's been no more than six hours since I was found. because this was just 6 hours after the accident. I remember that he didn't want to say yes or no. Maybe I was thinking according to my knowledge.

But I thought my technique was smarter because he was older. I was smart too, I understood when going to die. He was so smart. I wrote everything down. It turned out that it wasn't my intention. I thought it was a gift. I just helped him to reveal who he was,

how he was, the man, the perpetrator was caught and he was returned to his family. So that I could calm down.

If I may know, the case was chronologically a murder, right?

It was a murder. After that, I told the investigator, it was also a murder. The perpetrator was a murderer. I was in high police force. I was a full-time murderer. I was in the forensic school in 2003. I forgot the date.

So, the person was killed first,

Yes. and then put in a train.

Yes.

And then stabbed.

Yes. Because it was suspected that there was an accident. A person was on the train, near the trail. Maybe if there were accidents, I would be tired of going back and forth. It turned out to be proven that it was a murder.

Right?

What was the motive at that time?

What was it? I forgot. Maybe a victim of a crime or something. The perpetrator was also a criminal. If we determine that someone is dead, or if there's an accident,

and the victim is a criminal, and the victim is an autopsy, the forensic doctor will have more tasks. But it's okay, we also want to reveal the truth and justice. And who knows,

the number of forensic doctors in Indonesia will increase. Coincidentally, there will be more forensic doctors in Indonesia. Coincidentally, I am now the head of the medical forensic medical legal Indonesia. But the science, the results will still be science. I don't think forensic doctors' friends should be like me, they don't have to be the number one science. And motivate the Genji to hire a forensic specialist

because the science is vast and very much needed.

This is interesting, later we will also discuss this science, but maybe later. Have there ever been any other communication that suggests that the body is like a guide?

The case with Linda is already the kid with the head... Which one? The one that was suspected of being a trader. But the day before, I was dreaming that she came to me in my dream. Then, a little kid. Then, I woke up the next day. I assumed that this was a clue.

It turned out that I was contacted by the family there. Sometimes, in some cases, the family did contact me. If I could help, the family there. Sometimes, some cases, the family contacted me. If I could help, I would help. And I said, this photo, why? I said, the case,

the children, 4 years old, yes. Then, there's a photo. Why did this one come to my room last night? So I went there. Then we dug the grave. Because we suspected that the child

was a victim of organ trafficking. Because we found that after two weeks, the child was found missing in the river, in a bad condition.

The organ was missing?

The organ was missing, the head was open. But after two weeks, we did another autopsy. I proved that it was an accident. And maybe because they were in the water for so long, the body of the child quickly got rotten.

The head was open because the children were still young. And he, maybe because he was in the cell, his ankle bone was actually small. It was raining heavily. It was pouring. The rain was pouring down.

He was in the DPA. Four children.

So before you got married, you got a dream from your son?

Yes.

What dream? He just came. I was holding my son. I didn't tell my father got a dream from your son. Yes. What did he dream about?

He just came. I was the one who welcomed him. I welcomed him and the next day he sent me a photo of his son. It was the same as my dream last night. So, it was like he was asking for help to explain so that their family could be at peace. If the family member died, there was no criminal act. That's all.

I did an autopsy and an exhumation. I was taken to the cemetery, accompanied by the investigators, and the family and the interviewee. I could explain to them. The bones were still intact. If there is a sharp force, for example, in the...

Yes, the bones are definitely hit. Especially the children. There is a crack or a cut. Or a cut. This is still intact. So there is no sign of sharp intensity.

The organs were clogged because it was in the water for a long time. And there were scars on the skin, maybe from water animals.

I once got a narasumber. It was like drowning in the river for a few days. The condition was bad and I was growing up. Is it the same for you?

No, because they're kids. It's different. And the organs are open. Maybe when they're in the water, they got hurt. The organs are open.

The stomach and lungs are open. They're coming out. What organs are these? Lungs may know, Ma'am? Abdomen, liver, heart, because it's small. If our organs, our body, is completely submerged in water, yes, it will swell like a radiation.

But if we let it be, later on, I have a few cases of hernia, syringitis, etc. I've seen a few cases of hernia, and other hernias. On the 5th, 6th, 7th day, they were still intact. They were all growing. But after the 10th day,

they were usually completely loose. The process of healing. And maybe the only thing left were the hard bones that bones stuck to his head, neck, and the rest were definitely released.

That's why if we have a corpse, we regret it because of an accident, a disaster. I always say that my friends are willing to be generous, to be willing to take the body out. Because sometimes it's not easy to take it out. We want to be able to check the fingerprints. Maybe we can check the fingerprints. It's been done with a tool. We had to check the fingers. It was already collapsed by the tapir.

So, yesterday, when we were in East Java, because the children didn't have KTP, we couldn't identify the tapir that was killed in East Java. So, we used it at that time, because after the fifth, sixth, seventh day, we got the report,

we used DNA.

Oh, so you were the one who handled the delivery?

No, my teammates. I was in charge of the DNA.

Okay.

You also handled the case of money theft to Dukun. How did that happen?

Oh, that was in Central Java. Yes, I did. It was in the middle of nowhere. So I was asked to do an autopsy by the investigator. Because in a place, they found a person who died in a place. So this victim, Mr. was reported missing, he sent a search warrant. But his family came to the place where he was last seen. The man said he was never there.

So his family reported him to the police. The police came and searched the place. Then they we called the police. They checked the house. They found a new piece of land around the house. We searched for a few days, but we couldn't find anything. It was only a few days, but it was still clear. The area was cold, so the pollution was affected by the environment.

The area was cold, so the animals were still in good condition. So we called the police and we had an autopsy. We had an autopsy and it was clear that he was drinking something. He was unconscious. He was taken his money and buried there. He was buried in a life-threatening condition.

He was buried alive?

Yes, because I found signs of the ground. He was still breathing. He was still breathing. Because he was breathing, the dust and the dirt were coming in. If he was buried and dead, the airways were clean. Then he came home at night.

I didn't go home, I I slept in a hotel room. He came to my room. I remembered that I was the one who... I was like, why is he like that? Then, there was my father. I quickly told him,

I'll go back to my family tomorrow, and we can identify him. I already knew the victim. I knew the cause of death was the drug addict. He kept talking about how he had other victims. He said he had other victims and asked for help. The next day, I told my colleagues, let's go to the PCR,

we'll disassemble the body. We did it. There were a lot. So, he did it for the last five years. So, there were 16 in total. But it was hard for me to prove it,

because the others already had a bruise. There was only the body part left, the skin, the bones. We couldn't tell if they were still alive or... ...were subjected to other forces. But the clear thing was,

at that time, the perpetrator admitted it.

So, Margu, was the grave of it. So, I'm sorry, ma'am. Was the grave of that mister dug again?

Just around it. Because he said there were other victims besides me. And the number of victims? A lot. I said 16. 16 victims. Wow.

What was the motive, ma'am, if I may know?

Yes, to extort money from the community. He wanted to ext raise money there. First, it worked, then it came back. It worked, 5 million, it became 50 million. Then it came back, 50 million, I wanted 500 million. The money was taken, it was executed.

And if the minister was executed, buried alive?

I can't judge the others. Just the first one. The first one, maybe when he was unconscious, but still breathing, and then buried.

Was it deep? It was deep, not bad.

The first one, no, it still looked like a coffin. Maybe it was a quick burial. The other ones, it was long, like a flat area. It didn't look like it. There are so many lessons we can learn from this story, right? The other things are like a flat area, not visible.

There are so many lessons we can learn from this story, right?

Yes, it's also a story for the family that has been lost.

This is beyond the mysterious, it is very important that to ensure the death of a person, is it because it's natural, or is it because there are criminal elements? Certainty is very important for the family to be left alone.

Right.

Moreover, for me, everything is a way to complete the process of human justice and justice and we, me and my friends, we never stop.

So maybe there are other purposes that people think is not scientific. But in the end, we still have scientific evidence.

You also had an autopsy in a cemetery. How was that?

Oh, back then, it was in Kelaten. The investigator was a good friend of my brother. The victim was a terrorist in the village. We couldn't do an autopsy at that time because he was already buried. The investigators wanted to know if there was a gunshot wound. If there was a gunshot wound, how was the bullet?

Did he have any other violence? They were afraid that he was already buried, and the case would be filed. Later, the investigators would be blamed. They would say that he died in the police station, in the body cell,

and that he was raped. Then there would be gunshot wounds. And also, who was he? He wasn't identified yet. But they would assume that he was from yet. But people say he was buried there. Because people knew he was a criminal, a terrorist,

they refused to take him to the police station. They said he had to be buried. So that it wouldn't be a riot, I told the investigator, just demolish the grave. Then what, ma'am?

It's done. The ground was made wide, inside, right? There was no grave next to it, right? It was still quiet. We made it, and we just buried the autopsy.

So it was made, the car. So, we made the digging.

The digging for the grave.

Yes, the digging. I worked on the ground. I remember the digging took all night. From dusk to dawn. It was long, 3-4 hours. We dug until we got the signal.

The people were calm. The important thing is that we got the signs of death, the way of death, the mechanism of death, and the cause of death. The important thing. Then the people were not, not angry, not rejecting. We also appreciate it.

Because maybe the village felt devastated by the crime. We can prove who the two people are by taking DNA samples. Whether they were TKP or not.

So if they were buried, the grave was opened first?

Yes, everything was opened. We dug it up again because there were woods. We made a base for the bodies and we laid them base, and we laid the body. How long after the burial? It was just 2 days. Because it wasn't checked, I don't know why, but it was buried for 2 days.

2 days? It was still good. And thank God, the ground was dry, so it didn't affect the excavation process. We dug until the inside was still dry, usually there was water, right? So I thought, maybe it was also an ease. On the one hand, the excavation process went well and was really transparent.

Have you heard of it? I've heard of it.

I've heard of it too, Ma'am.

I had an autopsy in a cemetery, but I'll tell you the story in detail here. Sometimes, I like to go to podcasts or other media for education. Education for the society. If possible, it's the society that asks for autopsies. To the investigators, even though the law is that the investigators ask for autopsies. But if the society asks for it, the investigators will definitely fulfill it. And the investigators will be very easy to open up this case.

Sometimes, the investigators are okay, but the family or society will reject it. It's a fact. Because from there, we can see the mechanism, and the death and the perpetrator can be arrested. If the corpse is like a replacement for evidence that we examine, we pour into the visum.

And that visum is the substitute in the trial. If the trial is not yet done, the visum is not there, then the body we bring is not in the visum. So I often educate people like that. Substituting evidence that becomes a tool for a trial process. I was the one who gave the forensic study in the court. If the investigators had done everything,

the judge was not satisfied, the public prosecutor was not satisfied, the defense was not satisfied, I called them. I gave the expert explanation. Explaining,

so I often gave forensic course in the court.

It's amazing, from the education you did, and even entering the cemetery to do an autopsy. But it turns out there's one side that you're afraid of, to see your family or your own relatives.

Oh, yes. Do you know?

Why is that, Ma'am?

I don't know. So, since... It's been a while since I've been in contact with the forensic world. So, yes. A few times I saw my son's teacher passed away. I saw him, but on the way, parked my car, I saw the deceased. He said,

Ma'am, he said you're dead. Why are you here? I want to go to your house. He just passed by, and then he said, Ma'am, he answered, Ma'am, I forgot. I met him,

as if he was still alive. I knew him. I kept going. It was crowded. There was a yellow flag. Yellow flag. I said, it's true.

So you met him in front of you? Yes. He was my senior. my father's forensic doctor, I never told him, he died because he was sick. So the feeling was...

because he was so close, because of him, I became a forensic doctor. He was in my film later. Then... he was sick, then he died. It was really fast, was a quick 3 months. A few days before he passed away,

I met him in his room. His room was locked. After that, he was sick and was admitted to the hospital. But according to my friends, he had been sick for a long time in the hospital. I was there the other day.

I went to the hospital and he was already dead. It was just instinct. And until now, I'm the only one who dares to enter his room. I feel sorry he's always there. And I think I'm the one who wants to change the room. Because no one wants to be quiet.

So actually, when he was sick, I met him in his room. Maybe he didn't realize it.

But did you talk to him when you met in the room. Maybe he didn't realize it. But did you talk to him when you met him in his room?

Yes, I just said, Opah, I'm not going out of my room. Come here, if you call me that. Yes, Opah. He said he was sick, he didn't realize it. Two days later, he died.

I was sick, and even. I was so sad. I was in a coma. I was so depressed. I apologized to his wife and mother. I said, I'm sorry I didn't go to the hospital. I thought he was still alive when I met him in the room.

He was so close to me. Like my second father. Because he was also my forensic doctor. He was the first forensic doctor in the police force. Doctor Selamat Purnomo. I was the same.

But once, a week before I died. Dr. Abdul Munim, maybe you know him. But I met him when he was not sick. But my friend said he didn't realize it either. I met him near his office at RSCM.

I was just a layman. It was like what he wrote in his book. My forensic scientist said, what was it? Opinion. The point is, science is not enough in the space.

Forensic science is outside the CCB. He said that. Then, 3-4 days later, there was a CCB that had not died. I was in a city, so I couldn't go to him. But I felt that he was there when I went there.

But did you talk to him?

We talked for a while, and he just said that. Did you talk about his knowledge? Yes, but when I asked him, he said he was sick.

He was unconscious?

Yes, and I met him near the orphanage. He said, during the monthly visit, he said, the class was alone, he didn't meet anyone. He didn't meet anyone. Because he was so close.

Back then, I was in the U.S. Army, I often slept in the orphanage, in the RSCM. I learned a lot from him.

Wow.

Yeah.

But, Ma'am, if that's the case, after you found out, who did you meet?

I just stayed quiet.

Just like that?

Just like that. I thought, maybe, it was a goodbye. Like my mother passed away away, then my father. I had been feeling sick for a week or so. But I was surprised, because my father was the one who was sick for a long time. After my mother passed away, my father passed away a week later.

But before he passed away, I was in Jakarta. I talked to him in the morning. Jakarta. I bought a ticket. I didn't know if my dad would come. But I bought a ticket to the airport. I was the one who chose. I bought a ticket. I didn't want to wait until the day after to be buried.

But I had to wait until the do it because my sister was pregnant and she had just come from Kalimantan.

So it's like there are conversations between life and death in the journey that you often encountered. Yes.

Okay. Before we discuss this matter again, Ma'am, yesterday we were sad yesterday, that the late Reno and Farhan were finally found.

Oh, yeah.

And I saw you talking on Instagram about that.

Oh, the statement. From the results of the DNA and odontology test, that the post-mortem number 0080 matches the antemortem number 002, so it is identified as Reino Syahidra Dewo, biological son of Mr. Muhammad Yassin. It matches the antemortem number 001,

so it is identified as Muhamad Farhan Hamid, biological son of Mr. Hamid. Thank you.

If I may know, what is the chronology like?

Yes, at that time we got the results of two Chinese bags. Then because our team, DNA and forensics, and I'm also a forensic, the DNA test was done in my lab, at the post office. I'm the head of the lab's bureau. I also did the test and I could tell that my two bags contained men's bones,

from the knees, the thighs, the other bones, were burned. And we saw that the burn was long and quite severe. And there was also a long time, maybe only after the second month, the smell of the corpse was smelled. Because maybe from the first, second, third, until the second month, I could smell the corpse. Maybe because the first, second, third, and fourth month, the smell of burning and other things was still there.

So maybe the team from the fire department couldn't find it. Because the second month, the smell was still there. When we were cleaning it, we could smell it. So we were sure that the corpse had been there for a long time, from the burn marks, to the burnt objects. And I think,

the body was burnt, there was nothing that could save him. I thought maybe he was burned. Maybe they didn't come in on purpose. Then he smelled the air or hot air. He didn't realize he was left there.

No one saw him. The building was burned. He was burned too. What indications did you find during the autopsy? From the bones, we can see that the remains were not bent or hunched. It fell, right?

That's what I usually see. This is't there. So I always say, I once said, at that time, my friend also asked,

because he was living in the hot air, then he didn't realize he was burned. He couldn't save himself. But if the organ inside was already burned for a long time, and we can prove the lab results, if the organ is still breathing because it is unconscious, we will do a complete examination.

And the important thing is that the DNA is also suitable if it is the second deceased. So if it's a stroke, yes, but it doesn't have to be discussed here, a stroke, a question, a strange question, sometimes it's also a pity. Indeed, I think it's just an accident, an accident that in the position there, can't save himself and the environment was on fire.

So he was like, I was talking about Garuda Air Test. There were two police officers, Mr. Gilles Mere's friend, I was asked, why were these two people died of fire, afraid ofotage, this and that. How can they not save themselves?

We checked from the bones, they couldn't save themselves, and when they crashed, their legs fell off, they couldn't walk. They were in the hot air, so they were burned to death. We also proved that to the team.

It was the same as our results or my results. I was sure that there was no sabotage. And it was really pure human error. Because of the PDA or I forgot, 2007.

Does it mean that it was more or less the same as what happened at the discotheque?

Yes, the mall, the dog park, and the police station. Maybe because he couldn't get used to it. Because the fire was coming from the back of the cable. And there, he couldn't fight the hot air. I didn't realize that I was burning inside. I got burned.

At that time, it was clear. There were still many people we could identify if it was really purely a burn. I was interviewing the commander of Dam Kare at the time. It was said that there was a corpse that seemed to be in need. We were in the corpse room,

we weren't separated. That's what they're in need. In the orphanage, we're not separated. That's what they say. But, clearly, the burn... we can describe the wound... because the burn is where... because of the burn, there are many wounds on the back.

Why is there a scar on the back? That's possible. On the second day, we found two victims. The victims had all died. It was not far away. It seemed like these two people were close.

Maybe because of the panic, they were gathering there. I also learned about the wounds because the explosion was in the evening. The explosion was like a fire. And then, the two people were holding each other's hands. The hands were holding each other's hands.

The hands were holding each other's hands. One of them had a head that was missing. The other one was holding the other's hands. the front of the head. The bullet exploded and the residue was all over the place. The one in Solo was holding the bullet. He was about to explode the church.

But the person who was holding the bullet accidentally moved out. Maybe Cemay left the wrong door. If he knocked on this door, maybe he would have left a lot of money. But he knocked on this door, because of panic, his hand exploded first,

and it was burned. But I'm curious, ma'am. Don't be curious. Have you ever felt pressure to handle a case?

Never. I believe that if we have a good intention, and we convey the truth, and we can be responsible scientifically, and the leaders can all be relieved. Because there is no intention, except to help the victims. And the responsibility is to God, with Jesus.

I will...

It's a difficult question to answer.

There is no one who can help if it's wrong, wrong identification or wrong to make it clear. I think it's very fatal. My responsibility is not to the leaders or judges, I'm talking about God, Jesus Christ.

And this is the chronology of someone's death.

Yes. We intend to help the victims. Maybe, earlier, in forensic studies, such as suicide car accident, we make sure

that there is no mistake in the statement of this case.

As an academic, of course, you must like to give education, and also in the third grade, right? When you receive messages from the bodies you handled,

in the form of words that seemed to be a reference, as a doctor, what was your reaction when you received those things?

I knew enough. Maybe I'll tell my friends who are detectives, who are really reliable, and I'll enough. I told my detective friends, who were my trusted friends, and I helped them. I told them to look for it here and there. Maybe from the clues.

I told them to look for it. Maybe there was a missing report in West Jakarta. Or a police report. So it was a match. I found epithelial marks on his skin,

or cracks on his clothes. To prove that the victim had been to the police station. Maybe he was being treated there, and then thrown away to another police station. But the scientific evidence is there. Like the train accident.

Was it really an accident? The doctor said that there was nothing in the hospital, just his body. Where is his knowledge? After we knew who he was, we asked the investigator,

he was looking for information, who was the suspect. He was looking for information. Who was the last person he met? He found the perpetrator. He went to his house. He found a broken glass. Maybe it was cleaned.

It was definitely cleaned. But we can see the DNA from the evidence. We matched it. The victim was there. He is very knowledgeable and he does not need the confession of the perpetrator. The important thing is to talk if the victim, the victim is there.

That's very scientific, especially if this man is a victim of sexual violence. To reveal the perpetrator, we must swipe. Swipe from all of our holes, shame,eep our mouths, and other manners. And sometimes we take all the ears to find the trace of the perpetrator. And I always tell them, please give us the last piece of clothing you wear, victim. The underwear.

If it's not washed, there's a trace of the perpetrator.

We can find the trace of the plant. But maybe, Surpah, it's not the same as Bu Hastri. Maybe for people who study anthropology, they are also familiar with that. For example, Evan Pritchard studied in Azande, Africa. When he saw the people there, he thought, why are these people so smart and clever? But when he was walking with a kid,

the kid fell off a tree branch. The kid said, I think I've been bewitched. Evan Pritchett said, I don't think you've been bewitched, Evan Pritchard said, it's not bewitched, but because you're just a thief.

In the end, why do they believe in a certain ritual? It could be because it's their language in seeing

the relationship between themselves, their world, with the universe. When, their world, and the universe. So, when the child fell, it was actually an accident. He was an accident today.

But what was the cause of the accident? What was the cause of his fall? Maybe because he was teased by people who didn't like him. Maybe the people from RGL SACED are still very curious about the story of RGL SACED are still curious about your story. So, when you were in the funeral room for the first time,

did you feel nervous or was it normal?

No, it was normal. I think it was because of the work passion. So, it was normal. The first time you went to the funeral room, was it normal? Yes, because I'm a hard worker. So it's normal. It's your first time at a nursing home, it's normal. Yes. Because I'm willing to help. I always tell my case

to prove that this is a suicide. I proved it. I haven't taken a cell phone yet. It turned out to be a homicide. And it will be in my film. It's being filmed. It's a home site. And it will be in my film.

Wow.

It's being filmed.

It's being made?

It's already done.

Let's pray for it. I'll watch it later.

I want to have an Indonesian film.

Cool. I'm looking forward to the film.

I don't know who will make it. It's all in my head

Yeah Maybe that's it The end of this episode There are still many things that have not been told

By Mrs. Hastri

One day last night Maybe 20,000 comments first Or you comment on Mrs. Hastri's IG Just terror is okay Later, I want to go straight to part 2 Because there are still many stories That have not been told I'm going to tell you about the story of Bu Hastri. It's okay if it's a bit scary. I'll tell you about it in part 2.

There are still a lot of stories that haven't been told. You can tell us about it and it can be a film. I'm ready to be successful for the film. Thank you. I think it's an amazing job. It's amazing because

when you face death, it's not easy to work in connection with death.

Yes, that's why you should still be a good wife, honey.

Maybe by coming to Pot S.R. Jal, I'll be a better wife.

Still a good wife.

Thank you, ma'am.

Don't be too hard on yourself.

Thank you. Thank you. That's it, guys. The end of this episode. Where there are a lot of beliefs and also cultures that believe that death is not the end of life. But the beginning of

a soul's journey to a different place or nature. Which sometimes, still has a connection with the nature of today. The symbols of forensic doctor which sometimes is related to today's nature. The symbols of forensic doctor and his body are not just ordinary language,

The symbols of forensic doctor and his body are not just ordinary language, but also meaningful language about a death.