PM Modi’s COVID warning, How the war will end and CIA spy in India? Ft. Aditya Pratap Singh

If Modi ji is using the word Covid, thenendike, whose history is found only in places where civil unrest is created. And the most serious thing in that whole issue is that... But under what conditions might this end? What do you think? Conditions are very simple. That... Ladies and gentlemen, welcome to the Prakhar Gupta Experience where we do not do uninteresting conversations on geopolitics. Today I am sitting with Aditya Pratap from the World Affairs Academy and we have a very deep, very multivariable conversation about how the theatre of geopolitics,

the state of geopolitics in the world and the trajectory of geopolitics is going in the West Asia and given its energy impact on the rest of the world. As you know, Modi ji has recently said on the floor of the parliament that we need to be prepared for a Covid era. It's a kind of throwback Thursday. Traumatic throwback Thursday. So what is this? What is going to happen?

The question I'm asking Aditya ji is, what is going to happen? Like what kind of energy crisis should we expect? Why does it resemble Covid? Because Covid was huge. We understand a little bit about what it is. And why is this happening? To end this war, what will be the specific conditions for America, Israel and Iran? We also talk about the spy that was caught in India. The American CI Van Dyck, we are talking about the American spy Van Dyck. We are talking about the Trump's statement that Iran has ceased fire. And this is my attempt with Decoding Geopolitics.

We should not make this an interview-style basic 1-1 information extraction. We should go into its depth and complexity. We should actually engage with it because this problem can't work on a single dimension x-axis. This is a very deep problem and you need a very deep understanding for it because now this problem is at your home.

So, this is Aditya Pratap, this is Prakhar Gupta, you are watching PGX, order yourself some food, go to the gym, go out for a walk, put this in your ears and enjoy about 100 minutes of going into what is happening and how this will change our life. Thank you so much for watching. First, Modi ji on the floor of the parliament. Modi ji's speeches are not like that, that he speaks from his heart.

Someone writes, someone wets, it has three repetitions. Then a prime minister talks on the floor of the parliament, especially on such a sincere issue. If Modi ji is also using the word Covid in it, it is not an empty arrow. Something is going to happen in this, which we have no idea. If their hand is forced before Bengal election, then it will be before. Otherwise, it will be after Bengal election. But what kind of sentence are we in, sir? What happened? What is happening? Exactly. See, when there is a crisis in any country, the first step of any country's government is to tell their audience that we are in control.

There is no issue. So that there is no panic situation. You see, LPG's panic buying started on 28th February. There was no crisis that day. The whole world didn't know. There was no attack till then. That's when the panic buying started.

So the government of the country always wants us to be in control. But for a PM, accepting on the floor of the parliament that something is wrong here, and to use the word COVID, that means there is something really wrong.

Now, the question is, what is wrong? And so wrong that India has to speak in its parliament. So here we have to actually understand the dynamics of this West Asian crisis and what recently had happened. So, a big miscalculation happened. I will call it a miscalculation.

All the experts are calling it a miscalculation. That was the attack on the Iranian gas field. Right. After that, Iran...

We are talking about the Pars gas field, which happened recently.

Yes, recently. Iran then made the first attack on Qatar's largest LNG facility. Right. Then they did it on UAE's LNG facility and next on Saudi Arabia's LNG facility. In all these 3 countries, there are 6 big LNG companies operating at this time. Qatar's LNG company's CEO's statement has come out, it is in public domain, that we will not be able to fulfil fulfill our 5 year contracts with Europe.

Because our facility is totally demolished. It will take a lot of time to cover up. So we are cancelling our contract with Europe. India's name was not there in that already. It was with China and in Europe it was with Italy. They cancelled that.

Now in line there are 5 more companies who have the same panic situation. Although they are trying to cover up, but they do business with India. And now they are also going to publicly announce that we will not be able to fulfill our 15-10 year contract. We need an extension of at next 15-20 days. And it runs on a cycle. We have reserves, we have cycles, we have gas plants. You can see the effect of LPG. So that cycle will show you its impact for 3 months to 2 months. Even if the war stops in 5 days, it is possible that negotiations will be done.

It is very difficult that negotiations will be done. But even if this war stops in 10 days, then also the cycle of 2-3 months has broken. And it will bother you for 2-3 months. That is why a country like India, a big economy like India, their PM has to come and the parliament and make such statements. So clearly it is a very dire situation.

And now this conflict, which was limited till now, it was not going out of West Asia, everyone was wondering why it would go out of West Asia. And we had miscalculated a bit, everyone was like, Iran is Venezuela, Iran will be something like that. Now it has extended to Indian Ocean, it has reached to Indian subcontinent, and it has reached to Europe.

If there is an LNG crisis, and what will happen now is that these 5 companies will come and announce that we can't fulfill our contract, and already restaurants are being shut down, their menus have become small, everyone is cooking on electric stoves. Even in the imagination of this whole situation, I don't understand how this COVID situation is happening.

Will we get shut down in our homes?

See, it's not about getting shut down in our homes. Don't look at it like a military crisis. What happened in COVID? We had a very strong economic crisis. There was an economic crisis, many businesses closed, tourism closed. Exactly the same is going to happen. We will be stuck in a very strong economic crisis and energy crisis. In Covid, you still didn't have an energy crisis.

That yes, petrol was coming. There was no energy crisis. It was an economic crisis. More of an economic crisis than health crisis, right? This is an economic crisis and the bigger thing big thing that it's a big energy crisis. Will the electricity go? Energy crisis is like, now I'll tell you a few threats. What are the threats? The first threat was that they attacked the LNG facility, attacked the gas fields, and then will target the oil fields.

Iran has told clearly that we are going to target oil fields of Saudi Arabia and UAE, its impact is going to be directly on petroleum, diesel, all these products. Next is that they are going to target the power grid structure and along with that the internet structure, the lines, the lease lines that are going under sea, we will attack the torpedoes on that, and we will attack our navy on that.

So, there can be a crisis.

So, it is an economic crisis as well as an energy crisis. These are both crises. That's why the word COVID is used there.

I get the imagination that petrol pumps won't have petrol.

Light will be going more.

People won't be able to do business because of this.

Because of this, work not able to work properly. And in economics, if you shave 2% from the top, then it becomes 12% in 2 months. Exactly. Right? That 2% turnover in the economy, not to move that money is very harmful. And today they have attacked the AWS center. Exactly.

If they cut the internet, then everyone will die of intoxication. Complete crisis. It's a complete crisis. We will be thrown 20 years in history. And how will it not happen after that? I am still thinking that if Modi ji can stand in the parliament and say, Modi ji and 5 other world leaders, be it European or Russian, they stood up and said, stop it.

What I'm trying to understand is, my sense is that we are increasingly getting dragged into this war. We didn't have any stake. I said the same thing to the Israeli ambassador. I said, sir, either you give us Intel that we are going to die. You didn't give Intel, you did it your way, you did the operation, and we are paying for it here?

What is this? And I think what is happening is this energy crisis is dragging everybody else into the war. Then Pakistan will say attack Afghanistan, attack India. If he doesn't have energy left, then who will he fight for? He will be desperate. China will say, catch Taiwan. So then the dominoes may fall into world war. Exactly. The problem is that China is very... People are saying a lot, I read comments everywhere, Exactly, the problemacca state,

they are not going to be involved militarily outside of it. That is very clear. China has made it very clear. When something happened in Venezuela, China's statement came and they were really quiet. They have no meaning from it. They kept quiet. So, they will be involved militarily outside this region. This is the biggest mistake. The biggest miscalculation. It is never going to happen. So, they are waiting very patiently that when it comes to us, when our crisis will start,

when we will be impacted, then we will act. And as far as Russia is concerned, Russia is already involved in a war. You see Russia's arms production, Russia used to be a big exporter of arms. Today Russia is exporting only 10%. Because all its arms are being used for itself in Ukraine. It is too involved in Ukraine. They will never ever involve here in this conflict.

They will not open the second front. They will not open the second front at all. Now, as far as our country is concerned, a neutral country like India, if there are a few chances that something can happen in this, there can be negotiations, there can be talks. So, it will be only when a neutral country like India comes,

whose relations are normal from both sides. And he won't let Trump happen because he has a lot of ego. That ego is satisfying.

A little bit.

Just a little bit that is visible. It is very difficult to satisfy that ego. The ambassador of Oman, the foreign minister clearly said that negotiations were being done by Oman in the middle, negotiations of nuclear talks. The foreign minister of Oman said that

they didn't give us enough space for negotiation. What negotiation will they do? So, Oman, Saudi Arabia, UAE, such countries can never negotiate. Because they have ceded to Trump's ego. So, if someone has to negotiate, then obviously, you will need a very strong India type of country.

Now, this is a big question, will India get involved in Iran's crisis negotiating terms with Iran and USA? Because, a lot of our things are at stake. The biggest thing is IMEC. For that, it is very important for the peace of the region is very important. And that thing has been stopped for many years. India-Middle East corridor. Yes. And Israel is a very important point.

Will Israel like India getting into Iran's negotiations? A big question. No sir, India will not negotiate. In fact, now there is a rumor that Shahbaz Sharif is negotiating, which is hilarious. And social media will rise soon if this negotiation is in Pakistan. ANI actually messaged the US White House press secretary and asked,

is there anything in this rumor that there are negotiations in Pakistan? Jared Kushner, Steve Witkoff and Iranian delegation are meeting there. So they said, we cannot't tell you that it's sensitive.

But purely from like a social media meltdown standpoint, Pakistan, I told you, all these countries who have ceded to Trump's ego,

They don't just get a house of the street where they can fight. They are just like disciples. They are disciples. They don't call it negotiation. They call it providing space. Whatever Trump says, if you sit down, you will sit. If you get up, you will get up. He will not be able to keep the conditions of the rent and he will not accept the reward.

So, it cannot be a negotiation. It's not possible. So that is why they need someone like very neutral and strong to negotiate. Actually, there is a very interesting issue about negotiations. That tomorrow morning, as in American morning, at 7.04 am, Trump comes and tweets in his style. That we have agreed that we will not hit any energy infrastructure for 5 days. And Iran will not hit either. It's a temporary ceasefire. Until we finish the 5-day talk. 5 days exact.

After half an hour, Iranian officials come and say, why are you saying this? We haven't talked to you. Who are you? What are you trying to say? From where did this talk come? And a very sharp rumor mill starts from there. Whether the talk was done or not.

Every person has to come and give his justification. The speaker of Iran has to give his justification because his name is coming up, the foreign minister is giving his justification, we are not talking. The president of Iran, Picheskin, has to write a loyalty message for IRGC, which is his army, that no, we are together, there is no break between us. So that one statement has broken something, created a gap, but it is not what it seems. There is a story behind it. Yes, the story is very clear.

Trump had a big miscalculation. He thought that Iran is exactly Venezuela. Right? We will enter and remove the head. And then we will create another government there. Venezuela is a left country.

Iran is not typically left. Its population is 50% left. There is a wave of feminism, everything is there. There is a wave of modernity. Pro-modern, pro-western. But 50% of them are Islamist fundamentalists.

And 35% of them are radical Islamists. Radical Islamists. They will never see to Trump's power. Now, second thing. Trump thought that he has killed Ayatollah Khomeini and now he will make a new government. But who will you make? You killed Ayatollah Khomeini and his 40 officials who were very close to Khomeini, who people knew and who could run the government. Like in Venezuela, he removed Nicolas Maduro, who was second in command there.

And he came to power immediately. People also accepted him. There was no hue and cry. That thing could not have happened in Iran because he had removed all the top officials. And there was no opposition. Who the public knew. There was no opposition there. Now you have removed one leader,

now I will tell you a little about Ayatollah Khamenei, he was a very quiet leader. He was not very involved in the military. He was old and he did not have a big role in the military decision-making. He is the only person because of whom Iran has not made a nuclear weapon. Is this true? Yes, exactly. Because he was very, very following the agreement of GCPOA.

We will talk about it in historical perspective. So he was the only person because of whom Iran did not make a nuclear weapon. And you removed it. Along with that, you removed 40 more people who were quiet like him, who probably did not want to get into any conflict. Because they were seeing that our economy is crumbling a lot.

Removing sanctions is the main agenda. What you did now is, you removed them and brought Mushtaba Khamenei into power. And that's why Trump was very unhappy with Mushtaba Khamenei being the Supreme Leader. Because he knew that he is very very aggressive. And you can see that aggression.

They are going all in. They are targeting the gas fields, they are targeting the oil fields. Because this was said in the beginning. This is an unsaid rule that we will not touch the energy infrastructure. We will not touch the civilians. We will not touch the civilians. Russia-Ukraine war happened.

Nuclear facilities were attacked, but the nuclear leak did not happen. The attack was near. You see, both the countries attacked each other in every way, but till now Ukraine couldn't use long range ballistic missile on Russia. Why? Because there is that pressure, there is this unsaid rule. This rule has been broken here because now this shows that a very aggressive leader has come into power. Yeah, he is very desperate and pushed against the world. And they are going all in

because they have nothing left. The case with Afghanistan. I have nothing to lose. I am left with nothing. I will fight all in. That is what is happening in Iran. Now what happened is, they had no idea.

Actually, they have a fault. US has a fault. They think that my intelligence information can't be credible. Although it has been wrong many times. So their intelligence was that what would be the longest range missile in Iran. So it would be Khorramshahr-4, whose range would be 2000 km.

Now what happened, when Iran attacked Diego Garcia recently, that is 4000 km from Iran. It is 4000 km away from the coastline of Iran.

In the Indian Ocean?

Yes.

That's why I am saying that this war came out of West Asia and reached the Indian Ocean.

Visuals please.

Write Diego Garcia, Iran. You write Diego Garcia, then it will come. That is 4000 km from Iran. This means that Iran used the intermediate range ballistic missile for the first time in this conflict. Its range is directly 4000 km.

It is right below Sri Lanka.

It is right below Sri Lanka. You can see it. It is about 4000 miles from the coastline of Iran. I think this number is wrong.

It is written in miles.

Yes, it is in miles. So, it is 3000 miles away. If you can tell me how much range will be in the North? It would be better if we open the map. On the other side, I wanted to show you how this has reached NATO.

Go up. I think there's a third picture. Click on it. This one. Third one. Yes, please.

Zoom in on this.

Yes, this will work. This will help you understand a lot. Yes, that's it. That last circle will give you an idea. Can you just look for it in the meanwhile? What circumference will it make in the north? The distance from the Iran coastline to Diego Garcia,

we have to see that distance there as well. See, it's reaching Ukraine. The last circle. Can you see this circle? See, it's reaching Ukraine and the entire NATO country. Right? Right. So, this is the point.

This is exactly why Trump has started ceasefire talks. You see the statements of Trump's starting. He said to 28th that we will finish their nuclear program, ballistic program, we will obliterate Iran. Suddenly what happened to him the day before yesterday that he came to the ceasefire. This is the problem. This is the pressure. If they have a range of 4000 km, although they have intercepted it, but it is very difficult to intercept a ballistic missile. And they have totally, their air defense system, they have 10 elite air defense systems in the world.

7 of them are operated by themselves, 3 of them are sold to UAE and Saudi Arabia. Will they be able to complete the air defense system for them? To handle the ballistic missiles of Iran? They can't. So now this war has reached NATO here. And that's why there is a lot of pressure on Trump. And that is why we have seen that he came forward and started talking about the ceasefire.

Single-handedly. He didn't talk to anyone. Nothing happened. He started claiming single-handedly that we are ready for the ceasefire. That's why he got ready. Because the pressure is coming from both NATO and GCC. It was coming from the Gulf from the beginning. It doesn't make much difference because they have ceded to this.

NATO has not ceded to Trump. Still. NATO countries have not ceded to Trump still. NATO countries have not ceded to Trump still. There is pressure from France, this there will be pressure from Germany, Italy, UK. All these countries will pressurize Trump. I think historically when we see Trump's second term in the grand scheme of world history, the erosion of trust for the United States is so massive. Which country still fully trusts the US in anything? The level at which he has made the PM of Japan sit in the White House and talk.

It's humiliation. And everyone watches this. It was funny when he did this with the Democrats in the 2016-2020 phase. But as soon as he put his eyes on the globe, how many people's political careers and their families are ruined in these circles. And for what? For some media thrills? Viral clips? Exactly. This is not only Trump. I call it Trump and the gang of goons. Trump and all the people around him, Jared Kushner, Steve Witkoff, Marco Rubio, Pete Hexet, you see their statements, they are all bullies.

They are all typical complete bullies. JD Vance also, how can we forget him? Where did this start from internationally? This start actually happened from Zelensky. When he insulted Zelensky. When he visited US, it started from there.

No one is saying, everyone is enjoying. Who will come? Okay, this is our mistake, the world's mistake. Experts couldn't understand it. When he promoted his campaign, Make America Great Again. What is this campaign?

What is Make America Great Again? What he is trying to perceive? What can we perceive from this? That he is an imperialist, that when we go to America, we will get resources back. What can we achieve? He is clearly talking about American hegemony. That hegemony that was in World War II, that we failed, we lost in Japan, so kill the nuclear, finish it.

This is the American hegemony which he was talking about. And he started promoting it in his entire campaign. So we can't say that Trump was saying something in the beginning, he said something later. He was very clear when he was campaigning for the election. And that's why people in the US supported it. No, actually I have been in the US for the last 2-3 elections. I know that the whole US...

Bro, my group of friends were very pro-Trump in the 2016-2020 phase. Because there was a sentiment in the US where theyists have ripped off. Which is now a global sentiment that liberals are like this. No one knows what liberals mean. And actually, the modern political liberals are not even liberals. They are like this. So, there was a global liberalism rip-off,

which started with Trump's MAGA campaign in 2016, which concluded with Hillary Clinton's defeat. And all of them were very pro-Trump. In fact, I myself wanted Trump to win in 2020. And all the conspiracy around him. By 2024, America thought that Make America Great Again means

that we will import manufacturing. We will keep America first. But no one imagined at this level that my whole friend group is now anti-Trump. All the people who were very pro-Trump, who were on my college campus,

I was in Columbia University, which is a very leftist university, where everyone used to abuse them, that you are pro-Trump. Didn't they care then? Then they stood their ground,

they fought their public battles. But after seeing this, and this is a very unsaid thing, the reason for this is that election is coming in America in November. Trump's ratings are all time low. Nobody else can convince me of anything. The instability that Americans are feeling themselves. That this is the peace president, peace president, I stopped the war here, I stopped the war here, and then I entered. I started the third war myself. So, everyone sees that hypocrisy. And the game is stretched.

You can close your eyes for 4 years, but you can't close your eyes for 5 years, but not for 8 years. Everyone can see. So, I have another suspicion here. This is a conspiracy angle. It is being discussed a little on Twitter as well. But I actually think that American corruption doesn't work like Indian corruption. The basis of Indian corruption is bribery. If you want to get a file passed, then give money. Everyone knows this. If you want to get out of this thing or get into this thing, then give money.

And that will be from lakhs to crores of rupees, depending on what you want to do. This does not happen here in America. There must be a little bit of b about how long the speech will be today. They manipulate the market there. And they manipulate the stock market. Because giving this statement exactly after 5 minutes of opening the market at 7 o'clock, the market going up 2 trillion dollars,

Iran's confirmation coming down 1 trillion dollars, in this much, they must have made money and cut its inner loop. And it has done this before. Giving statements before, like taking the market up and then bringing it down. And you see, Elon Musk did the same thing in the beginning.

You will know about the Doge conspiracy. Doge? Yes, Elon Musk did the Doge conspiracy. So, this is his whole group. Now, see why the negotiations failed. Why did the negotiations with Iran fail? People ask this question. That Iran was not getting rid of its condition, US had its own condition.

It's not like that. Actually, we didn't want the negotiations to happen. I mean, US didn't want the negotiations to be successful. See the reason, who did you send in it? Steve Whitkoff. You must know about Steve Whitkoff. In US, he is famously called, in joke, that he is his real estate buddy. Trump's real estate buddy is Steve Whitkoff. And the other one is his son-in-law, Jared Kushner. If you were so serious, you would have sent JD Vance, Marco Rubio.

Historically, in the Middle East, their envoys are these two. Steve Whitkoff and Jared Kushner. Before this, you will see in the Biden administration. The best thing for this is the same. You see in the Obama administration. administration, when there were negotiations, they were very serious about it. That's why GCPOA was done. After all, Iran agreed for GCPOA. Why? Even then, Ayatollah Khamenei was there. Even then, the whole regime was there.

But they agree. Even after 22, they didn't do anything big. So, there are a series of miscalculations on both sides. Firstly, the seriousness was less from here, there was pressure from Israel, and on the other hand, there are miscalculations from Iran. It's not that they are very correct at their place. There have been a lot of miscalculations. For this, we will have to understand the dynamics a little historically, how these countries have become different coalitions, Iran started feeling isolated, went to proxies. So this is all his game. It was a whole land fight

which gradually became an ideology. And I don't even consider it an ideology. Many people say that the problem of Shia and Sunni is in Arabia and Iran. Actually, that was never the problem. I mean, Shia and Sunni were there from the beginning. Shia and Sunni were there from the beginning. Iran has always been a Shia. It has always been a Shia country. But when there was a Shah's government, then there was no problem. Why did the problem start exactly after the Iranian revolution? Let's come to that in a minute. Audience, we will tell the history in a minute.

Some other issues are a little more important. I know one more thing, what I think is the ceasefire red herring of Trump, the way he has laid the bait. I will connect two or three things. I don't want to ask you questions in my geopolitical conversations. Because these things are so uncertain. You and I both understand. Speculation is useful here. I think what is in Trump's interest? Boots on ground. Either the war ends completely and his humiliation stops. He doesn't suffer so much in the election, although he will bleed in. Or he wins with boots on ground. He doesn't have two other options. And he doesn't want American soldiers to go to enter or boots on ground and he wins and leaves. He has no other option.

And he doesn't want American soldiers to enter the boots on ground. He has learned from Vietnam, Korea, Afghanistan that our children die and our public has a trusted road. When body bags come home, people don't like. He wants NATO forces to go. And to go to NATO forces, it might be very beneficial if I was planning a false flag. Super conspiratorial by the way, this is not real. Super conspiratorial. I would plan a false flag or a fear of some attack in NATO. That now Keir Starmer has to send his chancellor, Melanie, to his forces to fight. Second, I think, there is Kharg Island, which is very important for the state of Hormuz. And I think Trump will offer a deal to them for the ceasefire. He will say that we will keep joint control of Hormuz.

And to get that leverage, he will have to put his marines on Kharg Island first and get full control. I think we will see the invasion of Kharg this weekend. I am not in the game of prediction. I think we will see the invasion of Kharg this Friday, when the market closes, we'll see the invasion of Kharg. Exactly. I mean, he has two options. He can't do boots on ground. Obviously, he himself said this from the beginning. People usually go back on their words. But Trump had said this from the beginning that our boys are not going to die. He did it because Afghanistan is completely over. They have lost in Syria, they have lost in Iraq, they have lost in Afghanistan, they have lost in Vietnam.

So, they can't do boots on ground. And to do boots on ground, you have to send a very elite unit. First of all, you will take control of all their energy infrastructure. You will take control of the state of Hormuz, only then you can choke down Iran. Only then you can make a new regime or whatever you want to do, you can enter into nation building. It will not be so easy to control the state of Hormuz for Trump. And that is why he will want NATO there. Your point is a conspiracy point, but okay, he can believe it. But will NATO go there on the ground?

That is very, very, you know, that is very, very speculative.

Unless NATO is attacked, it will not.

Yes, unless NATO is attacked directly. Why? Because NATO has also lost trust in Trump. That's why, Karel, Iran is not isolated. There is one expert, he has a very good book, How Sanctions Work. In that, he said that this guy, Trump, he is saying that Iran is isolated

and we have a big coalition, we will choke down Iran. Iran is not isolated, US is exactly isolated. How? As soon as he comes to power, he starts to undermine NATO. Because at that time, his interests were different. He wanted to make a good relation with Russia. He wanted to make Putin happy, so he wanted to bring Ukraine into isolation. And to bring Ukraine into isolation, he wanted to weaken NATO. So, he made a point in NATO that all the countries should contribute 5% of their GDP.

You are contributing very little. We will not handle NATO. Why should we spend all? He said it clearly. So, NATO slowly slowly has also lost trust in Trump. Clearly. So, will they go into Kharkh or will they get into something so messy,

something so messed up? They will never go until or unless some big country is directly attacked, which Iran is not going to do. Iran also knows that they are not going to do. Exactly, they are not going to do. Iran was waiting. Iran was waiting that they let them attack. Before the death of Ayatollah Khomeini, you saw two days ago, he transferred all his power to Ali Lari Jani.

That if I am not here, he is going to look over everything. He has not done this work in 12 day war also. Because he knew that he was going to die. Mossad agents, in a Chinese army, have a fun saying. That if you are giving a technology to Iran, exactly you are not giving that technology to Iran, you are giving it to Israel. Mossad agents are so deep, they have so deep penetrated into Iran.

I mean, they say that the agents on big post are Mossad agents. I mean, the story was also going on that Peshkian is a Mossad agent. Have you seen the video that is going on in Pakistan? After Durandar came, everyone is saying that now we don't even know who is India's Indian agent. We talk to everyone carefully. So, exactly that is the thing. So, will NATO go on ground there?

It is very speculative. I mean, it's very difficult. I don't think NATO is stupid enough. The insult that he has done to Macron and Stalmer, they won't even blunder their political career even while sleeping at night. Already NATO, you see their loss, how much loss did NATO face in the last 5 years.

I mean, where was NATO 5 years back? And where is NATO today? Due to Russia-Ukraine war, they have lost a lot. And they have created a mess of the US. And they want to just wipe out this mess. You know, what is my feeling? I think, Iran will outlast Trump.

And in that, the regime change will happen in America. And the next government will be friendly. Gavin Newsom will win in the elections of 26th or 28th. And he will be friendly. He will sign the deal in a minute and win in the elections. And he will be friendly. He will sign a deal in a minute and move around the sanctions. Exactly.

He has understood that the only way out is to sign a deal with Iran. And Iran will sign a deal. 100% It will. They care about their people. And frankly, another strange thing is that the loss of faith of people in the US is so high at this moment that we all know that if there was no electricity in our house, it would not have happened because of Iran.

Because Iran is blowing that electricity. But no one openly says that it is Iran's fault. It is such a weird thing that there is a sense of sympathy for Iran, which was notathy is the reason. Because this person, as soon as he came to power, why is there sympathy for Iran? You will see, you will mostly see comments on YouTube videos, comments of people, everyone will understand, this message is created by US. There is a reason behind this. Now, the US campaign, the entire political campaign of Trump was going on when he did not win the election. You see India's media reaction, you see everyone's reaction.

They were very pro-Trump, right? That Trump should come. Yes, absolutely. Diplomats should not come. Trump should come. This person comes in power and what does he do first? Instead of supporting those countries who have supported you in your campaign,

he started imposing sanctions.

Goon.

Yes.

Pure goon. He is a pure goon. He wants to bring American hegemony. He wants to make his people happy. I am getting votes from him. He has nothing to do with internal politics. So I will show that American hegemony is back.

So all the starving countries, they know who is spreading this mess. He spread this mess in Bangladesh. He spread this mess in Myanmar. We have just met a man in Myanmar. We have just met a person in India, Vendike. Yes.

His history is that he is found in such places where civil unrest is created. He is a special ops, I think CIA. And the most serious thing in that whole issue is that as soon as he, along with 6 Ukrainians, funnily enough, that we know where you are taking people from Ukraine.

First of all, the tweet a tweet from the US ambassador that I am going to meet Ajit Doval, I am going to meet Jai Shankar. And now the US Undersecretary of War, who is the junior of Hegsith, is in India at this time. He is not anywhere else. His flight landed in India this morning. Why is this such a serious issue? That's why. See, it's not the first time that some US spies are caught for the first time. But it's not the first time that they are not involved in our intelligence. Our intelligence is also very elite. Very very elite intelligence we have.

We've seen Durandar.

Yeah. I haven't seen the movie. I've seen it. It's a very good movie. So they are very very elite. Right. You must have heard about George Soros. All the political funding that he has, he is just an entrepreneur and runs an NGO.

But George Soros does political funding in all the countries. George Soros has banned sanctions on his organization USAID which is working in India and everywhere. So, this is not the spy network of today. This is their spy network. It is decades back. Atal Vihari Vajpayee, when he was the PM, he had given a statement in the Parliament

that if our intelligence, if our government does not take any strong step against this so-called NGO culture, so we are going to repent like Bangladesh, like Sri Lanka and like Myanmar.

Check it once.

This is in the early 2000s. Yes, in the early 2000s, he gave this statement just before the elections. He gave this statement that we will have to take this big step. He is that president who has kept a strong geopolitical foot. I believe in Indira Gandhi. So, Indira Gandhi and second was Atal Bihari Vajpayee. After that, a legacy was made that we will keep a strong geopolitical foot.

That's why we are neutral even today. The reason is that. So So it is coming from there. We can trace it back from there. So, geopolitical strong foot was to be kept. So, this entire spy network, and it's not just their spy network, there's a big Chinese spy network also working in India. In the Northeast? Northeast. Not only Northeast, even in Delhi, a big Chinese spy network, again these are

speculations, but a big Chinese spy network is working in India. Why do the government have to ban apps? Why do the government have to secure data? That's why because of all these spy networks that are working in India. So it has been caught now, but it is working and now one person has been caught, but this network is very big. Like we saw, you understand the network of terrorism, right? It is a multi-layered network.

In that, like you caught the network of doctors in Faridabad, it was tracing back to Jammu and Kashmir. And after that, they caught the network from their links Turkey-based handlers. Similarly, this is also a multi-layered network. And they work in a very organizational structure. They have a hierarchy. Who will report to whom, who will report to whom. And at every point, there is a break.

You will catch one, but you can't reach the other.

Okay, so they will hide it in such a way that the chain won't be caught.

There is an exit point at every point. So, it's not a chain that you caught one, and it's not a domino effect that you caught one and the whole network is open. It's not a domino effect that the whole network is open. It's not that. But I do think that the negotiation between the President and the White House will change the balance of power. Balance of power? Yes, exactly.

A little change.

You will be able to create pressure.

This will happen.

So, this whole... Brother, tell me one thing. It's a little speculative, but I want to understand that what will be the conditions under which the war ends? I mean, now Indians as Indians, one is our looming threat that energy crisis may come, due to which it has become odd, you cannot go to office, businesses, that has happened. businesses. This is the angle that Modi ji is forewarning. And I cannot imagine how much stress the entire Parliament will be under at this time. How much stress will the cabinet, Ajit Doval ji, be under at this time? Think about the people. We are talking about this. Think about the people. It may have an impact of 2-3 months. Think about those cities, those villages where people don't understand so much.

They don't understand what is going on up there. They heard Modi ji's statement. The level of panic.

The buying that is happening today.

How much panic buying will be there? How will the market react? How will the prices react? So, it will have a big impact. Can you check how the market has opened today? I saw that the price of gold and silver has fallen. Panic goes. Sensex etc.

If there is a loss in another place, then to cover it, we take out the liquid, the price of gold and silver. You see, the price has been falling since the last 5-6 days. If I check today, you can check.

500 is falling on 10 grams. It's today's market. It's open today. Look at the gold and silver prices also. It's falling. Yes, sir. This is the thing.

Everyone is saying that Modi ji, covid, covid, Modi ji. Everyone is revisiting the trauma. And I really think that there is election pressure in Bengal. Otherwise, these things could have been done. It could have been a little faster. We might have to wait for 6-8 weeks because it's in late April.

3-4 weeks. But the stress must be crazy because we don't know where we are going. We don't know at all. But under what conditions might this end? What do you think? Conditions are very simple. That Iran at this point, they are not going to give up their ballistic missile program 100%.

If we talk about nuclear, nuclear facilities have been destroyed. It will take them 10 years to make nuclear. They can give up. They were already at 60% enrichment earlier. It was JCPO.

They accepted that term. Ballistic missile program, they are not going to give up. JCPO? Yes. So, what happened in this? First of all, Iran...

Again, this is the time... Now let's start. Let's understand its history. It is very important to understand the history of this conflict. It is important to understand this vendetta. If we understand the dynamics, we will understand the agreement. What exactly happened?

It starts from 1953. I will keep it geopolitically. I am not taking it into religion. You will find Shia, Sunni everywhere. But there is not much problem. Let me explain the problem. In 1953, there was a government of Mossadegh in Iran.

He nationalized Iranian oil. Around that time, all the countries started nationalization of oil. What do you mean by private companies will not let it go? Nationalization means that the state will run it. Oh, the state will run it. Yes, the state will run it.

So, the nationalization had started. From there, vendetta had started in the USA. At that time, you must know that big US companies all over the world were moving and were doing the whole takeover of oil. UK was also doing it. UK was very slow. US was faster in oil.

That's why you see that economically US has moved ahead and UK has left behind. So, everything starts in 1953. Everything starts in 1953 and Vendetta starts from there. Problems start from there. Shah's regime was called the government of the left.

It was openly called the leftist government. And you will get the footage of Iran before 1979. You can put it on your screen. Yes, modern bikinis and parties. Pro-American. So, it had a good relation with the Soviets. And it was a very strange thing that the leftist government, which had a good relation with the Soviets, but it was understood. They called Iran a US puppet.

Yes, they called Shah a puppet. Yes, they called him a US puppet. So, he created a balance between both. The economy of Iran was booming at that time. The economy of Iran was booming at that time. A strong economy was going on.

What happens is that in 1979, there was only one problem. Why did the Iranian revolution happened. The problem was that the Shah's regime had concentrated all the power at one point. Wherever they want to have a culture, they want dissent. A dissent culture will come there. Power concentrated at one point, they will never accept. Obviously, they are not going to accept that.

So, that problem started from there. And the second problem was that the clerics, the Islamic fundamentalists, all these people were completely sidelined. Religion had no role in the country. So they had a problem. So all of them came together.

These forces. All of them came together. And then they started a revolution. Khomeini, I am talking about Rohullah Khomeini. The first Khomeini. Yes, the first Khomeini. who was the first Khomeini, when he was brought, this was a migrated agenda.

The reason for bringing him was that he had made it very clear that no religious leader will be militarily involved in Iran. He had made it very clear. So the left was also happy that this person, even though he is a religious leader, he will not be militarily involved. And the clerics were happy that our man is coming in power. The Iranian revolution of 1979 starts from here. The whole dynamics changes from here.

As soon as this revolution happens, in any country, you will see that there will be a revolution, then the next few countries will be upset, where there will be a dictatorship. Now this is going to come to us. Now our people will be mobilized, they will stand against us. Because we don't have dissent here.

This was exactly the same in Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, you see everywhere. So, all these countries, and what was the biggest problem? Regional problem. That these people are from Arabian countries. Iran is not Arabian. It is Persian.

So, a sense of Iranian nationalism is very strong there. That's why they will fight till their last breath. So, the sense of Iranian nationalism that comes from the Persian Empire. We were never a colony. No one ruled over us. We have ceded to nothing.

So, there is a very strong sense of Iranian nationalism. So, what happened from here? In 1979, the government comes, means the Iranian revolution happens, in 80, the war starts. Iran-Iraq war. And from here the dynamics changes. The war between Iraq and Iran, Saddam Hussein was the face of it in Iraq. Saddam Hussein was backed by US, obviously US wanted that our government should be government there again. They liked the point that war started after a year,

the structure would not be so good, they would be very weak politically, they will make it fall. So it started from there, US backed Saddam Hussein, there was no problem till then. But Gulf countries considered Saddam Hussein as a shield. That if this person becomes so powerful that he can bring down the government in Iran, then that is also very good for us. There will be a dictatorship again and it is not going to plant to us.

This thing will not come to us. From behind, the GCC, all the Gulf countries, they had supported clearly. People say that they supported because of Sunni nationalism, because Saddam Hussein was a Sunni, Sunni government. That's not the only reason. This was a very big reason. That we will get a shield from Iran.

Shield will be, Iraq will be a shield for us. Iran will not be able to do anything for us directly. And from there, the dynamics change. Right? This is where the ballistic missile program starts. As soon as Iran is isolated, it does not have any support from any country. Now there is a revolution, now the government is formed. They are totally isolated.

They get into proxies. They start making proxies. Proxies means Hezbollah, Houthis, militias. Yes, militant groups, militia groups. They start making proxies, they call it the Axis of Resistance. But you can't make proxies like this. Let's say I am a very strong man and I want to make some chelay chapatis.

I should have a cause, how will I connect it to myself? What churren will I sell to them? How will I connect it to myself? I should have a cause. Iran got that cause in the Palestine issue. This is how they have involved in. Now think about it. Palestine, Hamas are Sunnis. All the Sunnis are in Palestine. Iran is a Shia. Iran and Palestine have no border, no relation.

Then why Iran is so so so so desperate about Palestine always? So desperate that it will attack itself. It will mess with Israel. How did Iran's biggest enemy become Israel? Iran was not involved in that issue. This was the problem.

When he goes to the proxies, they see the Palestinian issue as a base. We can make it a base and join proxies. Hamas joined, Houthis joined, Hezbollah joined, and slowly they started their ballistic missile program. If we have ballistic missiles, it will work as a shield. All of them will come in our range. Israel and Israel will come in our range. First thing, from here the nuclear program started. The only shield you have against superpowers is nuclear.

You make a nuclear weapon. That is as simple as that. You make a nuclear weapon and you target the US. You target anyone. No one can touch you. So, from here the nuclear program, the ballistic missile program also starts.

In 1980.

Exactly. This is where the conversation starts. They start developing. After that, these proxies are formed. And the dynamics are clear now. On one side, a coalition has been formed. Iran is isolated. But along with their proxies.

Right. These two groups have been formed here. Iran is still alone, but they have proxies. And they are all in different countries, so they are internal. Internal proxies and government has a big role. And this was the reason that Iran never wanted to make any agreement with Palestine. Because then their proxies will be lost and their military power will be reduced.

Sadat Hussain was in Egypt first of all made a compromise with Palestine. It is called David Accords, Camp David Accords. If you see, you will get Camp David Accords. He was killed by his own guards. Right? He was killed by his own guards. So, Iran tried its best to sabotage these talks in any way.

There should be no talks for Palestine. And that's why it became Iran versus PLO, Palestine Liberation Organization. Which is sitting in the West Bank as a government. Yes, they are sitting as a government. Arafat's party.

Which does not accept Hamas. This is not a government. This was the problem. And this has led to these October attacks. So, because they say that PLO has tried to achieve peace and two-state solution. And Hamas's resistance, when Hamas captured Gaza, was because the PLO government, which was in the West Bank, said that you are not legitimate, you don't care about us. So, they took more radical action.

And Hamas is funded by Iran, this is also clear. In fact, Israel's official narrative is that we have come to the table many times to cut the land, to find a two-state solution or a three-state solution. But they don't let it happen. They disappear themselves. Okay, there is a problem with this in Israel too. There is a problem in Israel too. It's not that Israel is very okay with

that we do a two-state solution. In Israel too, no single government can be formed there. There is no coalition. And whoever the coalition is, here or there, there will always be Haredi Jews in the coalition.

Yes, the ones who are Hasidic. Yes, the orthodox Jews. Yes, exactly. And those Jews, they will never be ready for any solution on Palestine. They are not ready to make a point on Palestine. No conditions there.

So, there is a problem from there too. It's not like the problem is from one side. So, Iran's whole dynamics was formed. Ballistic missile program, nuclear missile program, all this started. Now what happens? Nuclear missile program, now the war ends.

The big reason behind the nuclear program that started was the mistake of the US. Saddam Hussein used chemical weapons. So, they thought that this man has used chemical weapons, he can use nuclear weapons on us anytime. That's why we have to keep our nuclear deterrence. So, we are creating our nuclear program. The war ends.

Saddam Hussein's politics gets ruined. His relation with the US also gets ruined. There is a conspiracy theory behind it. It is a contra affair. I mean, what can we say about it? So, their problem starts.

The war was over. So, they should have given up nuclear program. The US wanted that you give up your nuclear program. Now, the compromise has been made. What did they do with that nuclear program? They started using it.

The program started with the threat of Saddam, now they started using it for sanctions. That remove the sanctions from us, we will stop our nuclear program.

Okay, they were leveraging it,

that they will negotiate. Yes, they were negotiating. And why were sanctions imposed on them? Because as soon as the revolution happened, the Iranian students, they had occupied two embassies,

one Soviet embassy and one US embassy. They left the embassy after talking to the Soviet embassy. They had made so many hostages in the US embassy. So when Ronald Reagan comes, he says that you leave our hostages from the US embassy. In return, we will not give you interference. We will not interfere in the matter of Iran in the Persian Gulf.

The US promised. Iran left. All the hostages were released. Then what happened? Again, you supported Saddam Hussein in the war.

Why?

So, from there, the vendetta between them became very strong. And they were not ready to give up their nuclear program. Now they started leveraging it. Remove the sanctions. This was going on. No one was ready to give up their nuclear program. Now they started leveraging him to remove sanctions. This was going on. No one was ready to remove sanctions.

You know the condition of George Bush. He was also very miserable in West Asia. George Bush is called very miserable. The only person that actually thought about it was Barack Obama. When he came to power, you see his statements, his acts, people suggest him, advise him, like Trump's advisors,

all are the same, so the advice is the same. Barack Obama was also advised that Iran will have to keep a very strong foot on Iran, otherwise they will not be ready. Barack Obama did not try. And then immediately he changed to the other option that let's talk and see. And that's why JCPOA is signed in 2015 which is Joint Comprehensive Plan of Action. What happens under this? First of all, Israel was very unhappy with JCPOA.

Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu's statement, you can see it on the screen, for JCPOA, Benjamin Netanyahu's statement was that we are very very unhappy with JCPOA, you are giving them leverage, you are letting them make arms. Now what was this? It is a 160-page document, which has a lot of conditions, that Iran will not make a nuclear weapon. Uranium enrichment will be up to 60%.

For energy?

Yes, it will be used for energy. You need 90% enrichment for weapons. That will not happen. They covered all these points. They missed two points. I don't know if they did it knowingly.

Many people say that they did it knowingly. Some people say that it was missed. I don't think it's such a big level thing and it was done knowingly. Some people say that it was missed. I don't think it's such a big deal and it should be missed. There was no issue of ballistic missile program in JCPOA. And there was no issue of keeping control over the proxies. This is not a mistake. This is the main issue.

It is very clear that to keep a control on Saudi Arabia, if you solve the issue of Iran, then they don't need your security. Saudi Arabia, UAE, Qatar, they don't need your security. Then how you are a stakeholder in West Asia? Geopolitics is a game of both sides. So, no stakeholder is left in West Asia. How to save Iran then?

So, that's why they left the front open. Now what happens is, the problems from there, now this whole dynamic, this whole game was ready. The JCPOA, Biden did not approach it. And Iran makes a mistake

to directly get involved with Israel. Iran, just to, because you told me the whole story, in this you explained to me about US-Israel,

coffee.

What you did not explain to me in explain to me is the role of Israel. And I am a little familiar with the role of Israel, so I want to talk about that. It is very clear that the role of Israel is that Jews and Muslims do not fight. This is a fight for the plot, a fight for the land. It is very clear. Jerusalem.

You see the location of Gaza. If you open the. Jerusalem. You see the location of Gaza. If you open the map, you will see the location of Gaza. You see that it is such a strategic point for oil, import, export, shipping. It is such a strategic point that there neither the US nor Israel wants to leave their control. And that is why they are fighting for that point. Bosphorus, you open the whole location, you see the whole location of Gaza.

You can see the access for Mediterranean Sea from there. If you zoom out a little bit, you will see the whole location. That the whole access of Mediterranean Sea is there, and the access of Europe is there. You can see the whole access of Europe. You can see the whole Europe's axis. And then you can see Turkey.

You can see Istanbul has a very thin straight.

Where is it? The exit that is coming out.

Near Kanakale. Yes, this is the exit. So, now people can use this too. They can choke down this and use it. They can stop the entire supply. So, that's why, in this region,

if you come to this region, come back there. We come here. Come down more in this region. Zoom in, zoom out.

Zoom out, yes.

In this whole region, you see, they don't have any other strategic location. So, this whole fight is about choke points. Sir, let me tell you one thing, zoom in on Gaza. I genuinely think that this argument is, we are from Delhi, that the fight is about plot, and in that fight, brothers fight,

and they are people of other religions. But as you say about Gaza, and I have been to Gaza, Ashkelon, I have seen all of them. This same thing is the same coastline up to Haifa and Tel Aviv. No, what is exactly? One minute, zoom out a little. What exactly is it? We have IMEX, we consider our IMEXMEX example. You see where is IMEC coming from? If you can open the map of IMEC, the location of IMEC.

IMEC, IMEC. If they get Gaza, then inside, they can make a very good rail corridor. And they can connect it to... Open the left one, the one with the view. Open any one.

Yes, open any one.

Yes, okay. This is the map. Now see it is going inside. It is going inside from middle east to France. Zoom in more. This is the same image. Find a better image. He will find it. I mean, I will explain to you what the problem is. If we have land access, then we can build rail corridors inside, which China is doing. In the Belt and Road Initiative, what is China's need to invest in Pakistan?

They have CXS, right? They need roads. They need rail corridors. What is China's need to invest so much in Pakistan? They have C-Access, they need roads, they need rail corridors.

Why does China need to invest so much in Pakistan? There is no need to invest. You had C-Access. But you have to travel a very long distance, which is very slow.

I understood, to save transportation.

The transit period will be of 40 days, if you come from inside, it will be of 20 days.

This is a very big reason for which they fight for land. Otherwise, there is sea access. No, I understood you. But you know what, sir? I genuinely, even if I go to the bottom of this mystery, now you, the strip of Gaza is a thin strip. There is a village above the north border of that strip. Whoever it is, that village. That village is as valuable as the one in the south. So, if I take one village and then go to another village, effectively you will see that the place where Rafa or Khan Yunus comes, there is a land as high as that which is Jaffa port of Tel Aviv. Now, the problem is that even in Gaza, there are divisions.

The central Gaza was more in control of Hamas. Now, for example, example, my house. At the starting point of my colony, there are a few goons sitting there. So I pass through there, my family passes through there, they come and go, they comment, they do something.

So if I want a safe passage, if I want to make this whole street good from an economical point of view, then I have to clear it. It's garbage, clear it. I understand. But still, I mean, I can't ignore the historical and religious dimension of this. Because for the Jews, I think there is a hidden thing behind everything, the importance of Jerusalem in all these religions, which you can't ignore. Because of all these religions which you cannot ignore.

You cannot ignore it because of these three. And now the Christians are sitting aside. Now the American Protestants are sitting aside. They are not shouting Jerusalem, Jerusalem. They are occupying it under the Jews. This issue will become historical and religious.

And you may or may not believe it, sir. The Israelis are very conspiracy about them. Keeping them aside, they have a level of paranoia in their mind, that they want to kill us. That is there and to some extent justified. That history, it will be there, why not?

When they shout and say, river to the sea, river to the sea, why not? Look at the history, I feel that the way Jews have been persecuted, there is a brother religion in India, a small Lotus temple, why shouldn't they be afraid for their religion? They were completely destroyed in Iran. Yes, completely destroyed.

So, the one who has has happened for so many years, Hitler, from that time, from even before that, you pick up the whole history, the whole fight of Jerusalem, and then how they were made to migrate from here, what was the situation, you see their photos, you see their images,

so why would they not be in fear?

I agree.

Why not they are holding religious people. And if you go to Tel Aviv, you can see mountains ahead of Tel Aviv, which is Palestine. I have to fire a rocket launcher from there. And it will destroy 4 buildings. People don't understand that you can go to the whole north to south Israel in 3 hours. Which is the distance from Delhi to Agra. And the biggest thing is that there is nowhere to go. It is their only land. For us, it is India. You understand this. For them, it is Israel. Will we ever come to this point that we will compromise with India?

We can't.

We have nowhere to go. The same is the case with Israel. They have nowhere to go. So, I feel that in this whole dynamic, Iran... My understanding till now was that your proxy understanding has added a dimension. But I felt that Iran has to become the leader of the Muslim world. And he uses Palestine as pawns and puts pressure on Israel.

And his direct issue is the death of the Jews. End of story. If not today, then tomorrow they will definitely kill.

Jews know this. And people If not today, then tomorrow.

Jews know this. And people say it's a conspiracy. If it was a conspiracy, then they wouldn't have put so much effort and been in Khomeini's pocket to spy. If it was a propaganda, there would be no effort. Effort is behind real fear.

So, the Jews are like, let us kill this. And I also feel this complication that Israel wants to end the Iran issue. By calling America, its big goon friend, that Jihad come, let's kill Nobita in this. Yes, exactly. This whole war. In fact, the director of counter-terrorism from Trump administration resigned. He said that they are very wrong with this West Asia crisis. I was never in support of this. That US should be involved in this.

US was involved in Israel's pressure. So, this was Israel's pressure.

This is Israel's pressure.

Complete, finish it, obliterate it, finish it. Change the regime. We can't take this problem now. There are reasons behind it. There are some very big projects that IMEK. So, stability is needed. Stability is needed in this region. Stability is needed by doing anything.

And Palestine and Israel's residence is not there. It won't be there. And next 3-5 years is very very important for West Asia. From our point of view also. That's why India's implication is so big. Impact is so big.

From our point of view also, you can't be in the race of global power until you have your own supply routes. You have to be energy independent. You can't take energy from such a conflict zone. America keeps saying sanctions, sanctions. Exactly. Now see, there was a small issue and in 14-15 days, you understood the impact. You think, the war between Russia and Ukraine is 4 years, right? Almost 4 years, yes, it years, 3 and a half years. You think, the impact of the countries there,

they started to diversify. Yes, Poland and Poland have fixed their system. They have done it together. The loss on the economy, that will be there. We understood our situation in 15 days. So, it is very important for India that in 3-5 years, if you don't make a supply route for yourself, then there will be a problem.

India knows this. And Israel also knows this. That you can't move forward with this threat. So, next 5 years are very very important for West Asia. I will summarize. You tell me if I understood it right or not. I believe that Israel wants to finish Iran. It is also broken after the last war. They are making missiles again and again. So, they bring America. America's interest is to take over this area. And through its shipping routes,

its dominance in West Asia, its oil, trade of Hormuz. America's interest is also that it wants to control all the major shipping choke points from where China's supply chain runs. Because China is saying that it won't give you rare earths to make chips. So, it should not lag behind in AI race, the leverage should be equal. America comes because of this. But Trump is a media enemy. Trump knows that when the sentiment of the media is moving, he has to move too. Iran has understood that it can neither win from Israel nor from America.

And I don't think Iran can win. I believe that the world of intelligence is very different. I don't think Iran was ready to attack Israel in any meaningful way when this war started on 3-4 March. But now the US and Israel have attacked. Iran says that Iran has no option, I will attack Gulf. Gulf is surprisingly quiet. If I was a Sheikh of Dubai or UAE, I would call Trump and ask him to shut down. What is going on? Exactly. The problem is that Gulf has a lot to lose.

The maximum companies operating in Gulf are either Europeans or Americans. That's the first problem. And economically and tourism perspective, who goes to the Gulf for tourism?

There is a type of person who goes for tourism.

No, exactly, there is a lot of tourism. Who goes for tourism? Rich people go. Very rich people go. From Europe and the east. So, their whole economic industry revolves around Europe and… And tourism tourism largely. They have an emigrated economy.

So, they have a lot to lose. They can't leave the US side. And they can't create pressure. That is why I say, everyone says that they have ceded to US pressure. It's a very surprising thing. Because America promises Gulf that it will take care of it.

And it will give care of the security. And that security is baseless. From Iran. And it is baseless. But this whole Catch 22, this complicated chess puzzle is in front of our eyes. There is no scope for its end.

Because suppose America says that my elections are coming. I want to stop this. I don't want to see my children dying. I don't want to put boots on the ground. If this ends, if the threat of Iran ends, which Israel wants, Arabia, Qatar or Oman, do these countries have any security requirement? No. Maybe not. So, why would they end this?

If there is such a good hold on these countries, with which you have control over 20-25% of energy, why are you going to end it completely? So, he wants to make Iran a wounded dog and leave it. Basically, there was a big angle of China in this. He wanted to hurt China.

Because what China did to him, it imposed sanctions 150% and then 250%. China said, okay, son, we will not give you our rare earth minerals. Okay, he stopped. Trump immediately came to his knees and then they immediately got angry and they dealt with him. Now, where China takes oil from, coincidentally, it is not there.

It has hurt both places. First thing is Venezuela. In Venezuela, it picked up Maduro, made a government of Dolce and Gabbana there and said that Chinese oil will be finished. It will sell. It needs suppliers. It will sell it. He needs a supplier. He has to sell it. But I will sell it. So that I can run it according to my terms and conditions.

And second was Iran. That's why he removed Iran. That was also a big angle in this. The rest of the points are there, but that was also a big angle. Will he finish Iran? I don't think so. No, he is not interested. I think, again this is a speculation, but I don't think he will finish Iran completely or will be able to.

I think his interest was either to make Raza Pahlavi's son, who grew up in Los Angeles, and change the regime and put the Shah's government back in place. But no one accepted him. He was that you are a big shot in Los Angeles. Behind this, there is a very big role of Iranian society. Iran's society is 65% middle class. You know the sentiment of the middle class.

Economically, you are doing well. The middle class will support you. Economically, wherever you start doing bad, the middle class will back out. Their trust is over. 65% was middle class. This middle class is a big power of Iran which is actually pro-western. They had protested against Khomeini government. Trump thought that they are very weak and will destroy them. He attacked. Iran wanted to attack. So that 65% who thought that US, Israel, Pro-Western countries are standing for us, their illusion breaks. And those 35% people who support IRGC, IRGC supporters, IRGC itself, those 35% people have become even stronger.

Because of this attack. See, we used to say this.

They took all the political support.

Yes.

From there, there was sympathy and political support. And that's why they are not backing it out. Why isn't there a protest? Their wish was that there should be an internal protest. And we should be the leaders. And overnight, the government should change.

All the top leaders died. Why isn't there a protest in Iran? Because Iran is uniting on on external threat. They have united on external threat. And they will fight till the end. This regime change is very difficult. You have killed the alternatives. You have killed the alternatives.

And they will never accept Pehlevi. They will not accept him because he is not from here. They say that he is from Los Angeles. You are from Beverly Hills. You needed one person who is from inside. That option was Ali Larijani, was a very good option.

If you go into the background of Ali Larijani, he was that person who was talking to Russia, who was talking to the US, who had very strong geopolitical contacts. He could have been a very smart person who could have run the Iranian regime. You have also killed him. So now you have no option left of regime change. This is a problem and this is how it is going to be.

You cannot see any future in this. No, I mean, I, like every day, we have got used to wars. In the last 2-3 years, wars have started. In the last 5 years. There is a war and we think it will pass.

It ends in 5-7 days.

There is no impact. There was not much impact of India-Pakistan war. India-Pakistan war was not there. You had to remind the kid that I will take the bat and hit him. Pakistan is a small country. I don't understand why they are talking about Pakistan.

Sir, in 15 years. For 15 years, Pakistan was competitive. Yes, it was competitive. But now it is completely irrelevant. It is irrelevant. It is very irrelevant.

But if I was a strategist, I would have given the wounded dog its status. A wounded dog can bite very hard if you take your attention away from it. So, it is that angle. But yes, India over emphasizes, no doubt.

But...

Our agenda is very long term. We have to look at China a little. Our real threat is China. Pakistan is a kid. I mean, look at China. Now they are working on the 6th generation. 6th generation? 6th generation fighter jets. Okay, fighter jets.

We have to think in those dimensions. Where China is thinking. Technologically, you see, they have a very good control over, now they have started to have a good control on electric vehicles. They called Elon Musk and made him a fool and built a BMD there. They have control over data.

They have control over electronics. They have control over data, they have control over electronics, they have control over military. Now it is failing, but it is a big role of the mass. Sir, their shipping capacity is, I have a big commentator, Balaji Srinivasan. I went to do a pod with Balaji once. He lives in Malaysia, Malaysia is on the edge of Singapore. So he showed me a presentation and he was telling how China is going up, which is not discussed in America. His American POV.

He was saying that China's shipping yard is so big and is making so many ships. But the total American shipping yards are not being made. One shipping yard. And China has more shipping yards than America. So the production, wartime production is insane. If you see the story of BYD, you know it was a battery company? Yes, I know.

Purely battery company. They did battery expertise and then they sold the car. And China's technology model is a little different from America. They consume all the utility. That the car will go in water, it will fly and show. And that technology model will have to be done. Now you see how the American hegemony was trying to leverage.

There are countries like China or India which can stand against it. So think of India in all these dimensions, Pakistan is very irrelevant. Pakistan doesn't stand anywhere at this time. So it can't be a part of a very good,

intellectual, relevant discussion or dialogue.

It's like beating Bangladesh in a cricket match. What happened in this match, you'll be happy.

This is just a hope.

Exactly.

I mean, it's a disaster. Such movies should come once in a year. But it's also funny, sir. If you zoom out India's history, because most of the viewers, well, my viewers are 25+, 50-60% viewers are 25+. Your viewers are also in the range of 20-30% because we are aspirants. We are aspirants.

These people won't remember, I wouldn't have remembered if I hadn't done research on this. But in the 90s and 2000s, militarily, in cricket and economically, Pakistan was around. He was competitive. And at that time, many times, he had us... In 2008, this 26-11 happened. After that, there is a statement of Asif Ali Zardari for India.

Don't take this too seriously. How dare you, boss? If you say it now, it's not possible. And this change starts happening, I think, sometime around that time, like in early 2010s, there is a change that the Indian man says that we will make our economy.

We will not get lost in religious fundamentalism and spoil our minds. No, there are a lot of players, role, there are a lot of big, I say, there are a lot of big, big role of leaders, There are many big leaders in this. Who have a strong economic foot. I consider Manmohan Singh to be a legendary leader. That now we will back on our economy.

And that is the victory.

And technology. Two things. Back on our economy and technology. Make the infrastructure so strong that there are no children left. And that has now been different. And you saw that in 10 years.

And after 2014, India took a very strong geopolitical foot. Which we didn't expect. Militarily. Militarily, the defence procurement increased so fast. Then the defence infrastructure that was developed in India, that we will develop indigenously.

But there are a lot of lashes. There are delays, there are lashes. That happens. But at least you started working on it. AMCA is a very good visionary fifth generation fighter jet program. I mean, I want it to be successful. So, when you start thinking in all these dimensions,

then you will see Pakistan as a very small country. Right. But this is about nuclear deterrence. Yes, nuclear deterrence. That is what is saving Pakistan. The thought of Iran was absolutely right. Nothing was wrong.

As simple as that. You make nuclear, you will become geopolitically relevant, no one will touch you. What is going on in your country, that is a different story. One very interesting thing about nuclear history is that if you ever study the maps of the countries that made nuclear and how the movement happened, America made it in 1945, Russia made it parallelly,

they gave that technology to China, America gave technology to France, South Africa, America gave it to Pakistan, Pakistan stole it and brought it, which is called AQ Khan. India made it indigenously. No one helped India. And this is the biggest geopolitical game changer for India. Indigenously you made your nuclear program. It is the proof of the pure intelligence of the Indian man. It may be inspired.

Yeah.

It is indigenous. Like our constitution says, to criticize people, that it is borrowed. It is not borrowed exactly. It is inspired.

Our constitution is so successful. Very few countries have such a successful constitution. Our demographic complexity is so high that people don't understand it. So many languages and so much diversity. Yes, it is so much that it is very difficult to run the country. You see how successfully you have run your country.

Not a single military has been in your country. You look at the country around you. So that because of constitution, it is inspired. But I want to return to two very important things. One, what conditions do you foresee? What do you think are the conditions in which there will be a ceasefire?

I have some guesses, I will give you. I think that if we can stop the war, we can stop the clerical regime of Iran and make a democratic partner to keep the clerical Islamic Shia regime and to set up a democratic partner in place of him so that we can keep the matter light and weaken Hezbollah. America's interest is dominance, control over it, but Trump's interest is to save his media situation and popularity. He has two routes, either escalate or de-escalate. Staying here everyday is bad for him, media wise. Iran is interested in stopping the war. Gulf is interested in stopping the war.

Because Iran is exploding. Its children's lives are getting ruined. He is interested in stopping the war. Gulf is interested and the rest of the world is interested in stopping the war. So that we can, why are you involving us in your mutual war? Why are you ruining our livelihood? So that we don't get involved in your mutual war.

I don't know what conditions, what agreement can be made that this war should stop and when? See, the condition of this war to stop is very... If they keep such conditions that you finish your nuclear program,

now you have made it stronger. So, they are not going to ready to that point. Ballistic missile program, they are not giving up. As far as the state of Hormuz is concerned, state of Hormuz was, we are saying that Iran does not have nuclear weapon,

but it has nuclear weapon, that is state of Hormuz. That is the only thing that they are left with. Now you see, why Iran has started to leave some traffic? Because it knows that if it will choke this point completely, then it will become more isolated. My sympathy will also end. That's why Indian tankers are coming out. Because it had targeted cargo vessels in the beginning.

It had dropped a Thailand-based cargo vessel. It killed 12 oil tankers in Iran. But later they became soft for it. Why soft? Because they want negotiations. So, one condition can be that we can see a shared structure in the state of Hormuz. Because now Gulf countries will say that we also want control over the State of Hormuz. Either the US forces are stationed there or whatever, the forces are stationed on its islands, but we need it.

We need it on every island. One condition would be that you will see a shared structure on the State of Hormuz. Like we see on the Swiss Canal, everyone has a shared committee and it is running the canal. You can see something like that. That would be a very good condition. Second, Iran will continue its ballistic missile program. And third, we can see an agreement of JCPO type between the US and Iran,

where Iran's enrichment should be contained. That you cannot do more enrichment than this, so that you cannot make a nuclear weapon. Because now Iran will agree, anyway it will take 10 years to rebuild all those facilities. Anyway they will be agreed. This can be the best case scenario. But again, how much interest we have in negotiating, that matters a lot. I think Trump will be interested in negotiating this because the pressure has been too much on him.

And it will be good too. I think Gulf countries should play a good role in this, to put pressure. The way NATO is putting pressure, the same way Gulf countries should put pressure so that those conditions are fulfilled.

And there is no loss of the US in this. But one message went very clear that US hegemony is over. It's over. Their bluff has been called. Their bluff has been made. His bluff call has been made. So how much impact will it have on politics, that is also a big role.

No, no sir. To understand Trump's psychology, you have to understand that there is no basis for Trump's words. You don't have to listen to him. You have to understand his general mood and infer it. Because Trump is a media businessman. He is an influencer of influencers. He is a key influencer. So, you expect from your influencers, from your creators, you try to put that hope. If public sentiment shifts, then Trump will definitely shift there. For that, he has to interfere with his son, by abusing Jared Kushner, he has to interfere with his son-in-law.

Trump is a disciple of one thing, that is media. Which means that one situation, it won't be a condition, you are talking about GCPO, that document is a different thing. Trump will have to announce victory in the media. And what you are saying that it will be the same again, what happened in 2015 or has happened in 2025, it is very difficult to get victory in that. Because what are people saying things like, you will do the same thing next year. How can we believe that you are saying 10 years? You said the same thing in June that we broke them. Now they won't come. You had to kill them again after 8 months.

So people won't have that faith. And Trump needs, which I think, he needs a strong signal to his people that we won. We won. Yes. V1. He will have to say this. And he won't be able to give it unless or until he takes full control of Hormuz. Exactly. That's why I think that ground invasion is imminent.

Because he will have to catch Kharg Island to tell his public that he saw Hormuz and broke the nuclear. Two things. Breaking the nuclear won't work. I don't think it will end the war in Netanyahu's interest. He won't want that. Last time, if you remember, after the ceasefire, there were some Israeli bombings. Then he shouted on TV, Trump on Netanyahu. So, there will be a gap between them.

Contradictions. See, Netanyahu is very, very clear. I mean, if I find a very visionary, clear leader for my country, my country's interest is first. I don't believe in any geopolitics. That is Netanyahu. Very clearly he was against the JCPOA, he is against any kind of negotiations with Iran, and still he is standing. That we have to end it. We have to end it, we can't talk about it, there is no point in talking about it. And there is no exact point. And Iran, they are left with nothing. They want to end this war anyway. But not at their conditions. Not at the cost of not being able to fight in the future.

If the regime changes, then what will I do with the conditions?

Right.

I understand. Look, if someone tells me about the situation in Israel tomorrow, that Pakistan will not do it. We are saying it. I will say, you shut up. You don't know.

How many of my brothers and sisters have died in these circles. because they don't have their own identity, it's an artificial state. They have so many people because of Kashmir. I won't trust you either. If I was Netanyahu, I won't trust you saying that Iran will agree. Get someone to sign. Get someone to sign. The identity of the person you want to destroy. The deeper purpose of the person is your destruction. Exactly.

So how can you say that we have snatched the meaning of it? He has signed a contract. Now his life has no meaning. That doesn't work. And I think Israel is in a very bad situation that their Big Daddy is America and Trump. What they sign on behalf of Israel, they don't have. No, Israel's Big Daddy used to be at one time. Now you can't call them Big Daddy. Reason being, you see a little history that Israel has contradicted everywhere.

Trump got the negotiations done, Israel bombed the next day. Big message it was. It was a big message. That we are not listening. We are not listening. Our interest first. And Israel, Neset supported it. The biggest point was this. Neset supported it that it is right. Our interest first.

No matter how much package is getting from the US, how much defense equipment is getting, but our interest is at first. So they will be ready for this. Will anyone deal on their behalf? I don't think so. I find it very difficult.

But you know, they still maintain it officially.

They know that... They can do this, that they create a perception that we have won this war. See, we have done this, we have done this, we have done this, we have done this. And then go for a deal. This can happen. I think all three parties have to declare war. Declare war.

Sorry, victory. All three parties have to say to their public that we have won. And in a sense, Iran won in deterrence. Because Iran, even if Iran survives, it wins. It wins. Iran's condition is that even if it is alive and its regime is alive, no matter how much it is broken, it will win for them.

That is a very big message. US wins if they get control of State of Hormuz. Nothing else. So, US can do everything else. But Israel only wins if Iran is completely decapitated.

Exactly.

This is the chess.

And that's why the Octopus Doctrine, the implemented Octopus Doctrine, that is actually Israel's Doctrine, not US's. What is it? That you cut the head of Octopus and all his wings will fall off. And this is not the first time.

He killed Hassan Nasrallah, Yaya Sinwar, Ismail Haniya. What was that? And first of all, he killed Soleimani. Now Qasim Soleimani was a very important figure. Qasim Soleimani was that person who was managing Hezbollah, Hamas, and Hodees. He was a big link between them. Qasim Soleimani was a big asset of Iran.

As soon as he cleared out, the whole link broke. The whole forefront war of Iran failed because of Qasim Soleimani. He died. So, the whole link broke. So, Hezbollah is thinking about its own plans. Hamas has its own plans. That connection, a coordinated attack, ended there. And then they decapitated.

So, they worked there very well because they were militias. They didn't work in Iran. They completely failed. The reason was, if you see Iran, they saw Iran as a structure. Like a building, we removed a block from the middle,

the whole building collapsed. It's not like that. It's a matrix. In which everything was coming to one point, to the Supreme Leader. But you cleared out the Supreme Leader. But how will you remove the feeling of Iranian nationalism? How will you remove the strong backing of IRGC?

You can't kill every single person of IRGC until you are not boats on the ground. I'm surprised that the Americans, it feels like they...

No plans.

No, no, not even about plans. I don't think't understand the Muslim mind. They don't understand the feeling of nationalism. I think this is missing in the US. I don't know why. We feel that at any cost, nothing can happen to the country. Slight disagreement because their sense of nationalism is also very strong, sir.

I feel that their top leadership, Trump type, their sense of nationalism, the way they promote and feel, both are very... I am very much up for American military because in my, a lot of my friends were ex-military. And both Israeli and American. Because in their youth, at the age of 17-18, there is a contract. In America, there is a contract. It's not like that in our life.

And there is a conscription there that you have to do for 2-24 years old and then they come to the university. And I am sitting with them, sir. I can tell you that their sense of nationalism, Israeli sense of nationalism, I have seen the top sense of nationalism. That I will do anything but my mission. That's the reason. American sense of nationalism, their backbone, which keeps them American,

that is their nationalism. Patriotic, land of the free, home of the brave, that is their thing. In fact, when I went to the US early, I felt that there is not much nationalism in India. And even now I feel that there is a core sense of nationalist sentiment. But it's not like people are fighting for joining the military and fighting for it. Which is still the case in America and Israel.

They have a sense of nationalism. I genuinely feel that they have an essence in every religion. For example, Christians have forgiveness. Muslims have bravery. That we will fight for it. We are fighters. Hindus have pluralism.

That we will live with everyone. You can't ignore this essence. They made this mistake in Vietnam. They thought they will kill him. They don't understand Asian identity at all. They don't understand.

Asian identity, I mean, if you see any of their Asian campaigns, it has failed. It has failed. And they have been wanting since the beginning of the 60s that Russia and the Soviets, at that time Russia was Soviet and the control of China, which was communist before, now it is belt and road and infrastructural, somehow contain it. Yes, exactly. That is what they want.

That is what they want. And it's a by-product of that. This whole mess is a by-product of that. And Trump himself is a businessman. So obviously, he has a lot of interest in that. My eyes are on Netanyahu at this time.

Because I understand Trump and Mojtaba Khomeini's understanding of where this war will end. I don't understand Netanyahu's understanding of how Netanyahu will bring this compromise situation to any condition. And the type of personality he is. Yes, he is a man with a front foot. He is on front foot. He won't go. He won't go so easily. And he is going to announce something big.

I think so. Because now, a statement. I think 3-4 hours back when I was coming. Iran has sent a statement. What are you talking about? Nothing like that happened.

There is no negotiation. There is no ceasefire. We have not discussed anything like that. Because he has declared. I think 4 hours back he has declared that the war is over. We are talking about it and now it's a ceasefire. Iran has clearly removed the claim that nothing like this has happened.

I think that Benjamin Netanyahu will have a big role in that. Why are you insulting? We have gone to such an extent. Now finish it. Yes, why are you insulting this ceasefire? And I think Trump, every day I day, I say to him in my world affairs, that there is a code of a good husband, that you play something new every day.

Today, let's do this.

What is his name in the movie? Today, Khurana ji is this.

Today, Mr. Dungal is this. So tomorrow it may be that he says that the vices fire is over, now we are fighting again. Yes, there is of trust in the world is more because of Trump's media management. The whole group is with him. It becomes a challenge for him. How to justify it? Sir, the army commander is like him. There is no army commander like him. Now, he has...

Like we say in start-ups, you set the culture of the organization. He has set the culture of the goons. Yes, a whole gang of goons. He is a builder. You understand, we are from North India.

We know how builders live. Now if a builder runs a country, then he will talk about plot, he also knows how many square meters to cut. I think the damage control is very difficult for Trump. At the point where we have come, it is very difficult. And now what is India's journey from here? What do you think will happen if we have to play out good case bad case. Now I think India is, I mean this is a prediction again,

how good it will be, but India has to play a big role into this crisis. To stop it. If you have announced in the parliament, panic has been created, now I think India will use its diplomacy from both sides. It will use diplomacy, but how much oil do we have? Yes, the crisis we are seeing is that we need to announce the reserves we have.

That's why it's there because that is in shambles. A notification has come from the government, I think 3-4 days back, that now you will get 10 kg gas in a cylinder of 14 kg. He is clearly telling in plants. Actually, I have a relative who has his own gas agency. So, I asked him if there is a crisis or not.

Plants have reduced the number of cylinders. They were at 80% capacity, now we are at 60%. So, the crisis we are seeing is big. Now, we are only talking about LPG. Now, we have to talk about internet, we have to talk about power grids, we have to talk about all of these fronts. So for India, if you look at 2-3 months, so it is a period of crisis. You will have to keep your collection, your reserves clear.

Now, there should not be panic buying here. If panic buying or panic selling starts, then it will be a big problem. I can't believe that Indian people don't panic. We are sitting idle, measuring reals all day. And we are measuring reals. Now everything will start floating. This situation of panic buying spreads so fast in Indian population that there is no trust.

That's why this stage is very important for us too. We can't panic people. It's not like we are in a bad state, there is a crisis. Panic buying, the government is going to control it. And this is where the diplomacy actually works. Your oil tankers are coming out of the state of war.

I also feel the same. Oil tankers are coming out of state of hormones. I also feel the same. Oil tankers are coming out. I feel that if... See, many times people don't understand how things happen. I go back to Modi ji's speech. Someone has written that speech. It has been wet four times. After that, Modi ji has said in the floor of parliament knowing that his issue will be raised in the media tomorrow.

And knowing that I want to make this issue so that I can adjust people for what is coming. This is planned, it is not said by mistake. And it is better to be ready for something than to be faced with a crisis. Get ready. That is a ready statement. Yes, both are effects. You are getting ready but that will also create panic. But if these circumstances have come, it means Rajnath Singh, Piyush Goyal, Jai Shankar, Dowal, Modi ji,

all of them are busy on their phones with their diplomacy. Big meetings. At this time, nothing is happening lightly and no issue is that important. I think, there will be a Bengal election in the periphery, because this is our country and this is the election government. Here, elections are held all the time.

But, there is no bigger issue for the country than this. And overtime work is going on. Five days are very, very crucial. Next five days. Until this episode comes. What it is going to be.

Next five days are very crucial. What conditions, what it is going to be. And India's response is going to be very important. Frankly, I can't say with confidence that everything will be fine and someone will be with Shri Krishna and our country. When these things become so real, and especially when you see the faces of the poor,

then you cannot phrase it like this. But genuinely speaking, I have a lot of faith in the current administration that they will handle it at the geopolitical level. They will do as much as they can. Now, how much leverage we have, it is not to be known. But the way India has handled its geopolitical situation so far,

that tankers are coming through Iran, there is a defense deal with Israel, there is a talk with America, and we are taking oil from Russia. America is saying that we are giving permission, but we don't know why they are not. You see, this whole dynamics that has been created, I mean, so great that everything is working for you. Everything is working. Right? So, you have to have a trust. You have to have trust on diplomacy.

If you start panic buying, then they will also get pressurized. They get a lot of pressure. Earlier I used to think that our non-alignment foreign policy, that we are not anyone's friend that we are not friends or enemies of anyone is wrong. And it is possible that in the long run it will still be the case. Because eventually you have to side pick. In the middle, you get beaten from both sides.

But in this present moment, the non-alignment is very beneficial. Yes. In the long term also, as soon as you side pick, you get restricted. Now, like, look see World War 2, there were some countries which were very small, like Italy. They say that Hitler's inspiration was Mussolini. And later when he got into the actual war, Hitler said,

nothing, it's hollow, so, I mean, Italy had very little stake in it. But he had side-picked it. And it paid the price. So, when you pick a side, there was very less stake in it. But he had side-picked it. And it paid the price. So, when you side-pick, there is a backlash that you have to pay the price sometime. Makes sense. Yes, I don't think we should announce our chips too soon. Our situation is such that China is an unavoidable enemy.

Whether it is from our side or not, it is historically proven from their side. America is an unreliable partner. Russia is in decline, frankly. They don't have that anymore. So how do you choose? And I think our global position is a globally non-war position. If they kill us, they will kill the whole world.

Exactly. From a psychological POV, I agree. You build yourself so strong from inside, then why do we need to go outside? And energy dependence is going to be the number one issue in the next two years. Solar, electrical, whatever nuclear energy is made, it should be local.

Otherwise, it will be colored at any time. That's why five years are very very important for India. And that's why you see such strong diplomacy. That's why it's very important. I mean, next five years for India.

Okay, sir. How long have we been talking?

You tell me, how long have we been talking?

I don't know. I have no idea. But 30-40 minutes? Yes, it must be half an hour. It must be half an hour. It must be 40 minutes. Okay, sir. That's it.

We have been talking for 100 minutes. Did you enjoy? Yes, very much. Very interesting. Your setup is also very good. One gets lost in it. Yes, and the topic is also very good. Your intellect level is also very good. I am always interested.

Yes, I thought you are reading books. Now, Twitter is an open book. Now, Trump's face is a book. But now, people ask me a lot about this. And frankly, now these are not such events that are happening somewhere far away, in a corner. Now these events are happening in our homes.

See, what is it, you are very superficially, I mean, I say this thing, that you should never see superficially in the morning. You can't see mind superficially. You can't look at it superficially. Like I talk to some people and say that there is a fight between Jews and Muslims. What is ours?

No, no, no.

You can't look at it superficially.

Layers.

Now that's not the thing. Everything is interconnected. So, I suggest that the more you read, read the papers, the more we read the papers, the more you read, the more you read papers, in fact, the more we read papers, the more research papers, I mean, all my knowledge comes from research papers. Actually, the source, the first-hand source is the same.

So, the people who have worked there for 40 years, 30 years, so even the whole matrix and the building blocks, I have read it somewhere.

Right, right, right, right.

It really works. I mean, I think so. I mean, I think so.

I agree.