PRABOWO MULAI DENGAR ASPIRASI MASYARAKAT?

Suddenly, this afternoon, President Prabowo robbed the Cabinet. What did you say, Mr Mahfud?

I give you two thumbs up. Well, Budi Hari is indeed a person who is always shouted to be replaced. The Mincominfor case was opened with the light of the day. What is the record of Mr Mahfud with the robbery this time?

In the future, what is our expectation of the Cabinet?

Maybe, it will happen again later in the next reshuffle. What are our expectations for the Cabinet? subscribe and turn on the notification bell. Enjoy! Assalamualaikum. Hello. How are you, everyone? We meet again on Terus Terang, a podcast Hi everyone, we meet again on the broadcast where I will talk about various openly and without any hidden agenda.

Hi, now it's been two weeks since the big demo happened at the end of August yesterday. And of course there are still many questions that come as a tail from the event. I was also told delivered the questions. And now there is a new development that happened this afternoon in the government's office, namely the Cabinet Resolve. I have discussed everything thoroughly and we will discuss this right now. Let's start.

Please, what do you want to ask?

Yes, Mr. Mahfud, I will continue what you said in the opening, that in the middle of a warm situation after the demonstration last week, suddenly this afternoon, President Prabowo robbed the Cabinet by replacing 5 ministers. Menko Polkam, Minister of Finance, Minister of Cooperation, Minister of Migrant Work Protection, and Minister of Sports and Sports. This is in line with what Mr. Mahfud said last week in this forum.

You said, when I asked, what is the solution so that this does not get worse? You said, the president should change the cabinet. So, it's exactly the same as what you said. What are your comments?

Alhamdulillah, if I can give a hint on my happiness, I give two thumbs up. So, not one thumb, but two thumbs for the President? No, two thumbs for Mr. Prabowo. If there's any left, the next thumb will be the next one.

Waiting for the next reshuffle.

Why did I say two thumbs? Because with this reshuffle, which was preceded by a quick resolution to the riots of the demo, it means that Mr. Prabowo has started to want to hear.

Has started?

Yes, he has started to want to hear the aspirations of the civilian people. We know, until yesterday, the podcast yesterday said, our problem is because Mr. Prabowo didn't want to listen. Or he didn't get the message. He didn't listen and he never responded to the aspirations of the people. For 10 months, people kept on asking, but he didn't respond.

There are two analyses. One, this message didn't reach Pak Prabowo because there are too many people who are complaining. Secondly, the ministers don't understand the people's aspirations and how to manage them. I keep on talking about it. Now, there have been demonstrations and riots everywhere. Mr. Prabowo immediately responded quickly. As I said earlier, there are quick wins that Harfi did.

One, the first quick win, first, by reducing all brutality and imprisonment and violence that harm both the people and the authorities. The second, immediately reshuffle the cabinet. Because this cabinet does not meet the requirements to bring Indonesia forward. Not because of its cleverness,

because cleverness is just one aspect of the cabinet's needs. Cleverness is one. What does that mean? Competence, right? Then the second one is integrity. Then the third one is track record.

Those are the requirements. Sometimes people are very smart, but they don't have integrity, they don't understand their duties. They often put themselves in a position as a part of the political trade-off.

Now, Mr. Prabowo has done that. I think it's good. The conditions you mentioned earlier,

does that mean that is the reason why Mr. Prabowo replaced the five ministers?

Yes, if I look at it, not all of them are the five ministers. Not all? There are certain considerations? There are certain considerations. Like Sri Mulyani, for example, I think his integrity is okay. No one is making a problem about that. His competence is okay, his track record is okay.

But he was replaced. It's okay, it's a win for Prabowo. He can create a new cadir, besides Bu Sri Mulyani. But, it's been a long time, so we have to prepare for the future. Or as we heard, Mrs. Anies has asked you to step back.

We heard gossip.

Yes, she said she once said that twice a day. But, the answer is only now. It's okay, it's the president's order. We don't have the right to interfere. The important thing is the president listens first. That's like a queen.

That's it. How about you, BG? Is Mr. Mahfud surprised that Menko Polkom was replaced?

From a political point of view, I'm a bit surprised. But I don't know his thoughts are about Pak BG. That's what surprised me the most. First, the reshuffle, when Pak BG's name was replaced.

People were talking about the demonstration yesterday. Because when there are big demonstrations, people say that usually in such situations, the man of the house is the one who appears. Yesterday, people were waiting for Pak BG. It seems that he appeared once to once, but then he was not seen as the central figure in handling the situation.

Maybe that's the reason why so many people are suspicious.

Yes, I don't know the reason. But I think it's too simple. If that's the reason. Because people don't always have to appear, but they have to coordinate quietly. Especially Mr. BG's background is a BG Kanitel. He's intelligent, right? If he coordinates, he doesn't have to talk to the public.

I think it's another political party. I don't know. What about Budi Ari? Budi Ari is someone who is always shouted at for being replaced. First, because he doesn't have the capability for it. What he does is not clear. What is being done is not clear,

it does not give a sign that there will be progress, except it is very symbolic. Then the second, the case that he was left behind, the Kominfo cannot be released, with him.

However, people still don't believe, how can a person like this be able to do it. The problem is not clear yet. Therefore, I think there must be other steps from the legal enforcement so that the MincomInfo case is opened with clarity.

Without feeling hate. The title is important. Because the judges always shout, this is the brain that should be responsible, why hasn't it been touched? Yes, not because of hate, because that's the logic of law.

There is an intellectual actor, there is an executioner, and so on. I think this is the door that the government has opened to enter into. If we want to be serious, it's the enforcement of the law. But let's just look at the development. What is the record of Mr. Mahfud with this election?

First, one person was replaced because of the fight, then suddenly there are five people. How do you imagine this cabinet working in the future with, for example, five new people or five new positions in the future?

What are our expectations in the cabinet?

In my opinion, Mr. Prabowo's choice is not too political now, in the sense of political trade-off. He wants to place people in a more appropriate position. And maybe for the Sriulyani's case, no matter how good he is, I think it's too long to be in one place,

it's not good either. So we need a cadre. Maybe in the cadre, if the issue is right, Sri Mulyani's request has been repeated, twice,

regarding this demo case, I heard it there have been two cases of demonetization. Before that, the government did not want to do it. Maybe this should be filled in, to find new cadres, so that people's cadres in the financial sector like Sri Mulyana.

What is it, if we look at, for example, Mr Mahfud said that these two thumbs have replaced the minister and all kinds of things, which are questioned by the public, the public has started to have a rather large expectation, right? Mr. O, it turns out that Mr. Prabowo wants to make a significant change. According to Mr. Mahfud, what kind of criteria do you think Mr. Prabowo needs to become one of his ministers who can work in a trusted position

and can implement his programs that he hopes will be implemented soon?

First, he can strengthen his political power. So, if we need a party leader, who meets the criteria. There are only three, actually. The criteria are, first, competencies. He is competent in his field.

Don't let people not understand this, why is he suddenly placed there. Second, integrity. Third, the cricket player. The person who is involved. In that field, do you have that trait?

That's why we we see the third quick win, maybe, maybe, there will be another reshuffle in October, the promise is one year. Maybe in October there will be the next reshuffle.

Mr. Mahfud, do you think is not enough, by replacing five ministers, if we talk about public expectations.

Yes, there are still some problems that I think Mr. Prabowo has now noted all the problems that have been conveyed by the community, including us, Ministry A, Ministry B, Ministry C, etc. The problem is already there.

It means,

we don't have to make it possible anymore, because Mr. Prabowo as a president, he must have known where the problem is and how to solve it. I used to say,

Mr. Prabowo is a smart person, smart, he reads a lot, he must know everything, what the problem is and how to solve it. Then the stages, when the problem is and how to solve it. Then, when and how to do it, that's what he knows. It's easy for him to know if we read the books about the Indonesian paradox.

For example, the Indonesian paradox is written and dictated by people who know about Indonesia and know how to solve it. But why was it a bit late yesterday? Well, because it still needs to be adjusted first, right? I said that the board of directors needs to be set up first, so that when it appears, it can be closed.

Hopefully that's it. Yesterday, I said, this is not an analysis product, but a prayer product. But now, we are becoming an analysis product, it's true, right?

It's true. And finally, we said, oh, the theory of Mr. Mahfud's falling board, was set up first, then slowly, this was removed, this was removed, the political trap was slowly, that means, sir, can people say that this is actually starting to move away from the political threat with Mr. Jokowi?

For example, there are some people who are close to Mr. Jokowi.

How?

There are those who are very convinced, if I read in the media, in some podcasts, there are those who are very convinced that Mr. Prabowo has been released from the political prison. If you want to call him a thug, he is Mr. Jokowi. Added to the recent reshuffle, some people are looking for Mr. Jokowi. Maybe there are still some people, it depends on Mr. Prabowo. We can't say that Mr. Jokowi's man. Right?

Those are just his suspicions. Mr. Prabowo must know from his achievements, his attitude towards the government, from his steps on the ground, that he can be seen as someone who needs to be improved. Oh, this is okay.

This is Mr. Jokowi's man, but he is really good. It's okay. But the important thing is that you know that. Mr. Mahfud, there are ministerial stories that are replaced in the middle of the road, some can be completed until a period of presidential election, but then for example, suddenly he has a problem,

so he is suspected. How do you see that? The process of electing people but then it's finished and he becomes... There are two, in my opinion, that make many ministers continue the tradition of corruption in their institutions. The first reason is because of political trade-offs. I support you, but later on, you have to give it to me. That can be done because of the strong support.

For example, URMAS, the minister was able to hold him, or Parkol, who was very strong. Secondly, I was surprised, there was a great person, a smart person, but it turns out that it's impossible, because if you only choose because of political trade-off,

and you're surprised because there's a great person in the field, if you don't have three conditions, maybe the great person has good competence, the best in their field, if they don't have three requirements, maybe they have good competencies, but they don't have the right track record in that field. Even though they don't have the right competencies. Secondly, if it's only because of political support,

the party needs to be unified without the requirements, without the track record integrity and competence. It can be seen that the integrity of someone is not good. That's what causes it. Sometimes I'm surprised when there's a great person, then I just say it, even though it's already been said.

When it's put in the Cabinet, it can't be, it's already connected. Even though it's very smart. And the second is because of political trade-off. The government has been doing this for 10 months, I think it has recorded all of that, and we hope that it will be fixed, and there is still enough time for Mr. Prabowo.

And in my opinion, the support will be even greater for Mr. Prabowo if this is done. The improvement will be greater. Don't let the tradition of corruption continue. If you look at the officials, there are many ministers who have been doing well, but suddenly there is corruption. There are many cases like that. Why? Because the condition

to become a minister is not fulfilled.

If it appears like the case of two ministers, Mr. Jokowi, it's already finished, until the end of the period, then there is a minister like Nadiem Makarim, and Yacout,

how does the government view it? That's what I said earlier. As an example. I was surprised because, for example, Nadiem Makarim was considered a great person. He could make many things that he said were great. He made the nation proud. He made the nation proud.

I was surprised. Even though Nadiem Makarim didn't have any track record in the field of education. Imagine, Nadeem Makarim, during his time as a minister, he never came to the university.

If I'm not mistaken, he only came to the University of Indonesia.

He never came to the University of Indonesia. If I'm not mistaken, he only came to the university. Yes, that's right. He only came to the university. Yes, that's right. It's just a platform. It doesn't give a direction of policy on higher education, science, and technology. It never does.

In fact, I was forced to meet the rector. I remember during COVID, Mr. Jokowi said, Mr. Mahfud, the higher education, to inform the government about the coming of the government. In my opinion, this is the duty of Mr. Mendikbud. Then I invited Nadiem to meet virtually with the rectors of all over Indonesia.

Do you know what happened there? The rector's protest. I said, Alhamdulillah, the minister can rebuke us. We have never been rebuked.

You were there at the Zoom forum?

I was the rector of the University of Japan. I was there at the Zoom forum. I was shouting, Alhamdulillah, there is a policy. We have never been given instructions. We have never met. Was Mr. Nadiem there?

Yes, I are welcome. This is a high-level issue. I will take care of it. But the president asked for the campuses to be given a chance to speak. I went around to UGM, UNER, and other campuses. Then I gathered all the people, and I also invited Mr. Yakut. So, that's it. In my opinion, Nadiem is a clean person.

Clean. But he doesn't understand bureaucracy and government. That's one.

So, yes,

there are even people who say, a big fat guy, if he wants to meet Nadiem, he can't. Many times he can't go through the check to him. I met him at the hotel. He didn't work at his office. I met him at the hotel.

He was a senior officer. He was one of the top people. He said, how could I meet him? I couldn't. I asked him many times,

but he said he was at the hotel, not at the office. I've been asked to do it many times, in a hotel, not in an office. I've never done it. So the doctors told you? Yes, they thought it was just a tactic. Like, they were just trying to run a business. They were just doing this and that.

But that's not how bureaucracy works. They don't understand. They think it's clean, that's true. But in the case of Krombok, it is still a mystery. Before he was appointed as the minister, he had already discussed this in a group of WAs that is now in the hands of the Ministry of Justice to work with Krombuk and Google.

There is already a WA group, and even there, he said Nadiem has been called Mr. Minister. In the group, before he became a minister, he was already called Mr. Minister.

By a special staff candidate?

Yes.

Mr. Minister. So, it's already there. As for Kr Chromebook, first, when it was introduced to the minister, before that, Mr. Tamu Hajir, it didn't respond.

It means it was rejected. It didn't need to respond. It was not correct. Why? Because the Chromebook was used in Malaysia in 2013, and it was stopped in 2019

because it was considered useless. But we continued. That's what caused the failure of Google. Maybe it was a trick. The minister rejected it, and suspended it in Malaysia.

Then there was a group of the WHO that said we had to work with Google.

Far before he became a minister, right?

Yes. So, let's look at the development. Because this is especially the Ministry of Education. I see a lot of people risking their lives for education. There are children crossing the school every day, using a shovel, some use a rope,

and if they fall, they die.

There are many tragic stories about our education system.

Then, why do we have to fight? We should have done that before. We should have done that before. That it's important, yes. But then, there must be priorities.

That's what I mean. People must have a cricket team to manage things like that. Not just asking, oh, I know this technology facility, this and that. That's right.

This is an important message for new officials, new ministers in the era of Mr. Jokowi, sorry, new ministers in the era of Mr. Prabowo, including those who are already in the field, sir.

How to run it well.

Yes, hopefully.

Everyone has to work well, and everyone has the right to sit in the office if the president raises it. We can't guess why, but the three requirements of competencies, integrity, and track record are very important as the main measure for someone. So, if there is a minister, he does not continue the previous tradition. There is another one, who often makes the minister be inclined to corruption,

which is the use of outsiders to work in the office.

People who are trusted?

Yes, people who are trusted are outsiders. That's the first echelon, second echelon, third echelon, and they are all passed down. So that the work is directly under the policy. Isn't that not good? It's true, maybe,

if the bureaucracy is too loose, too much, but this has to be fixed, not too closed by outsiders. And you know, many people go to jail because of outsiders. The former Ministry of Religion, which involved the party. Oh yes, I remember.

The special staff. That's the special staff who did it under the name of the Ministry of Justice.

The one who opened the money.

The one who was in charge.

Yes.

Is it the same? Special staff. Well, because of that, sometimes, he brings a lot of outsiders, not just one or two. A lot of outsiders are brought in, the bureaucracy that has left from below,

knows various slurs, is ignored, so there are also those who report, right? If I'm Minpura, there are also people who report it. I'm a minister, there are people like Sek Jen and Dir Jen who report it. They say, sir, I was just passing by. There's corruption here, sir, here, here, here. They report it. Don't think they're quiet.

That if they're given, maybe there's corruption too. Yes, but they would be to put outsiders. So, I remember when I was hiring a special staff. The special staff was like the SL1 officers. I invited the SL1 officers who were not special staff, but were from the lower ranks.

The deputies? Yes, the deputies, one. This is Rizal Mustahari.

I introduced myself one by one.

This is not allowed to command you.

This is my personal staff. I gave the task for what? Then he reported to me. He could not walk alone. Because he was a member of the committee.

He was a member of the committee.

He was a member of the committee. I asked him to do it. I asked him to do it. I asked him to do it. I asked him to do it. I asked him to do it. I asked him to do it. I asked him to do it. I asked him to do it. I asked him to my staff. And everything is going well.

And that's important for us, Pak. That way, there are no other suspicions from us. We are truly trusted. So, working with honesty, there is no doubt, because they know we are following this. You are in this field,

work. Don't mix and don't command people in the bureaucracy. Even though you are the first echelon, according to the press.

Right?

Equal to the first echelon. So everything is going well. It's comfortable if you report, no? It's embarrassing if there is a mistake, he will also convey it. With a special staff, you can't go to the regional office. Sometimes there are special staff who represent the minister.

I heard that, Pak. It's useful, right?

They are present to greet the minister. They greet the rector. Those are special staff, not dirjen. Not dirjen, not sekjen. They are special staff. These special staff, who are they?

Actually, they are more personal. To the minister? To the minister. What do I need to do every day? So that I can be more detailed. Now, many people are stuck because of the special staff. The special staff feels great.

I am the only one here. Talking to the local people.

Alhamdulillah, my minister, my minister, I am sorry, I can't be protected.

No, I'm not. We have to understand each other. We can't do that. Bureaucracy starts from the bottom. Don't underestimate the career. They will get angry.

Mr. Mahfud, I want to go back to the latest reshuffle. I have been contacted by many friends. There are friends of reporters on the field, there are editors who editor who contacted me since the week when the Red Shuffle happened, asking about you. The gossip was, Mr. Rizal, Mr. Mahfud will be asked to be the main cop again,

asked to be a judge, all kinds of things. Now, when the Red Shuffle happened, this is the real truth, I brought my phone because they asked again, especially the position of the main cop, meanwhile, is being trapped by Mannheim. What is it, sir? Meanwhile, you're being framed by Manhunt. Is there anything that you can tell us about the reshuffle?

No, nothing. Nothing specific. So, that's what happened. As you can see now, there's nothing more than that.

No phone calls, no meetings, or anything like that?

If that's the case, there's no reshuffle, from that. No phone calls, no meetings, or anything like that? If that's the case, there's no reshuffle, no phone calls.

Even though it depends on who's calling first, right?

Friends, friends. That's why.

No, we're going to meet, Mr. Prabowo, this is a place to hold hands. Quick Queen 1 has settled the dispute, Quick Queen 2 reshuffle, Quick Queen 3 may be, Quick The first one is the end of the riot. The second one is reshuffle. The third one will probably happen in October. And the middle one is the change of some laws.

Okay, I want to get into that now. So, the public expectation was very high yesterday, then all kinds of things emerged, from the civil society, making demands, then the 17-8 group emerged, the young influencers and all kinds of things. What is your take on the demand, as well as the government's response, between yesterday saying that they want to do a political reform.

What is your take on that?

Well, I agree with the next step. I have seen Queen's policy to stabilize the situation. The next step is to handle the Jakarta-Pendang issue. I have seen the first step, a political reform. And it seems that it will be done

because the Minister of Justice, Mr. Yusri, said that there will be changes in the political law. That's good. Especially later in the law, the resolution of the KPU's independence. Because there are two laws, sir.

The Electoral Law and the Parpol Law, he said. Yes. What will between the two? The Voting Law is the enforcement of the KPU's independence. The budget guarantees are enforced. Don't let the budget be offered. If you want this, you have to do this.

If you want this, you have to do this. It has to be enforced. I think there are many problems. For example, the use of IT, which was called a recap, has never been audited. Even though at that time it was asked to be audited.

Yes, it was done. Once the voters were finished, it turned out that it had never been audited. There must be an audit. It involves the public. Because if it has been announced,

the voters, even though it is a fraud, There must be an audit. It must be done. Because if the election has been announced, even if it is a fraud, it is not easy to be changed by the court. Even though people feel that it is a fraud. So that it is regulated, starting from now. The election law. And there are many things about the election law,

the election court, and so on. It must be clarified later. What we need to discuss is the political party. The political party is now also... I said it yesterday, the political party should be the creator of the legislative, executive, and various branches.

But now, there are many corruptions that come from the political party's officials. So that the cost of the expensive election, including the election of the governor, can be improved, which causes a lot of corruption. For example, the election laws, I mentioned the issue of the KPU, and then the election, whether the system is open or closed, because it turns out that the open one,

the open one, causes problems. What comes out is people surprised, wow, he has a lot of money, he can buy it, right? Buy a name to Parpol and then buy a voice to brokers, the voice of KPU, the voice of KPUN, the people.

Then the most famous person, but has no achievements, that's what Mr. Yusir called an artist. With the disclaimer that no, actually the artist is bad. Many good artists also joined the DPR, for example, if there was Tantowi, it's okay. Or Oneng, it's okay. But there are many others who don't understand. Oneng means Riga Diapitaloka.

I thought it was an artist, but it's okay. There have been artists since long time ago, right? In the old days, there were many kinds. From Perfeleman, there are many. It's okay. But the selection is not because of that.

Why? Because the political cost is expensive. I once said this through this forum. There is no politics without its corruptors. If you ask me, I will mention one by one, who is the corruptor? I will memorize it in my head.

Even now, if you ask me, I can mention this party. Even now, if I'm asked, I can say any party. And those are the leaders of the political parties, not the political parties of the lower class. Even so, I'm still asked, why did you say that?

Why did you say that when you were a minister? I was actually not silent, I was actually in jail. I was already in jail. I'm the one who's been in jail. I'm not going to talk about what's going to happen. It's risky if I talk about what's going to happen.

What I'm saying is that I know who's been in jail. It's in all political parties. It's funny. All political parties who claim to be the creators of the cadre,

the nation, the leader of a nation, representing the people, and then after becoming a representative of the people, then join the corruption festivities and so on. This is what needs to be improved. One of the ways to improve it is funding.

Funding for political parties. So that political parties cannot look for wild funds, private funds. All are held accountable. The countries that fund them.

The countries that fund them. We have done this before.

Have you ever calculated how much

you have to fund per parpol? There was someone who said, actually, a little. If the par the parking lot in the DPR is given a basic income of, for example, 3 trillion for a year, every surplus of 100, it is added a few.

It can be given like that. Well, when I was talking about the asset theft laws, it was a package of the Cartel's spending restrictions. I proposed it, the government proposed it. But at that time, the DPR asked for the Cartel's restrictions, so that we, the DPR, proposed it,

because it would be included in the political party the Funding of Political Parties. But it's not working until now. Maybe it can be done in the next step, to continue Mr. Prabowo's victory to take these steps next, so that the Law on the Voting Law,

the Law on Political Parties, the Law on Assets Seiz law, the asset theft law. That's it, right? The asset theft law is important. Before we continue, I want to... If I see the statement of Menko Yusriel,

with the plan to revise the election law, for example, the pressure is always in the sentence like this. We want the voters to be followed by many people, including people who are handsome have a chance, not like now people who have a chance are people who have money and popularity.

What does that mean, sir? Maybe it will be in the direction of the closed professional or what?

Yes, it can be closed to the professional, meaning the registration system. Register, registration of registration. A system of registration. Back then, the system of open proportional, where based on the most votes, was actually for the DPR. But then, many people said it was the MSK

that decided it at my time. Actually, I didn't decide it in an open proportion. I just drew it, I canceled the condition. Because it's like this. Yes, yes, many people ask about that. The DPR, now, what is made by the DPR,

the law number 10 of 2008, article 25, it sounds like this. It sounds like this. The decision of the DPR members, DPRD province, DPRD cities and cities, is done with an open proportional system.

This is okay, right? They, the DPR and the open proportional system. But what was then canceled by the MSMEs, that is a requirement in article 214. Article 214 states that those who are treated as members of the DPP

are those who get more than 30% get the most votes after more than 30%. If none of one gets 30%, it's back to the number of votes. That's unfair. For example, Mr. Rizal,

number one, got 10,000 votes. I, for example, Number five, got 70,000 votes. But 70,000 is not yet 30% of the BPP. The one who knows Mr. Rizal. Back to me again, I only got 10,000, But 70,000 is not even 30% of the GDP. The one who knows is Rizal.

Back to me, I only got 10,000. That's not fair.

So I canceled the 30% requirement. So now, if you want to go back to the closed proportional system, this is the time. And I have said it many times to the PDIP, and at that time, Mr. Taufiq Kemas was still there. What is the attitude of the MSMEs regarding the system of open and closed elections? I said, if the MSMEs consider the open system to be constitutional, and closed to be constitutional,

why do the MSMEK set the open one? No, the MSK didn't set the open one. The MSK only striped off 30% because it was unfair. If you want to go back to closed, then it's closed as well. Number one is the priority, number two is the next one, and so on. Well, the PDIP did fight back to that,

but many people didn't agree. What I saw that didn't agree comes to Golkar and Tepan Golkar and Tepan the others are in between I think PKS should also stay open if the situation is like now

in my opinion we should think again while this is

maybe this is the solution

if we want to stay open how to you avoid the lies of people who are only famous or only because they have money. But, there is no ideology.

It doesn't support the party at all. Even the president is not there. Except for voting on things that involve the interests of the oligarchy. This must be regulated so that the country can move forward in the right direction.

That's all. Okay. That's enough, I think, Pak Abud. That's enough.

Yes, that's enough, Pak.

Okay.

That's all for this week's edition. We will meet again next week. Always take care of Indonesia, take care of the peace of this country, continue to make positive contributions to the development of the nation and the country, and never tire of loving Indonesia. to the development of the nation and the country, and never tire of loving Indonesia. The end.