‘PROVEN It’s Mossad!’ Trump Says Release FULL Epstein Files

Obviously there's the infamous Bubba email, whatever that means. I don't know why people aren't talking about that more.

If Donald Trump had blown some guy and they had an email, they would at least leak that

email. We know a lot about Bill Clinton's sex life. Do you really think large, blonde men, that's Bubba's type? I don't think so.

Somebody else is running our government. Who ran this horrible scheme? There's no question Epstein was working with Israel.

The optics, the gold, the opulence that he surrounds himself in puts on full display that this guy does not give a flying fuck about the people that he pandered to on the campaign trail, and his priority is solely himself.

He's not worried about three months from now or two months from now. He's worried about next week. I think that's the move until he can come up with another distraction, perhaps killing more people off of the coast of Venezuela.

You know, Marjorie Taylor Greene has changed her position on so many different things. She just apologized on CNN and said she's sorry for contributing to the rhetoric. That is insane to me. This is why he called her a traitor.

This is why people think that she's changed. This has come down to Israel.

Lawmakers could vote as soon as tomorrow on a bill to release the Epstein files in full, and it now seems certain that it will pass. President Trump has given Republicans the green light to vote for full disclosure, announcing on Truth Social last night

that, quote, we have nothing to hide. Only last week, he summoned Lauren Boebert to the Situation Room, no less, in a frantic push to persuade Republicans to vote no. So what's changed? Well, first, Democrats have been selectively drip-feeding Epstein's emails to the media with their own spin. Second, it's becoming increasingly clear that the Epstein files are a bipartisan

outrage. Everyone from Michael Wolff to Larry Summers, Peter Thiel and even Noam Chomsky remained in contact with Epstein after his first conviction. One Democrat lawmaker even appeared to be coached through a congressional impeachment hearing by the pedophile, as illustrated by The Washington Post.

Attorney Klein, privilege, yes, I will turn it over.

You, as my friend Mr. Meadows pointed out, misled this committee even today in a written submission that contradicted your testimony. You have suggested you are going to review that. Did you review it? Are you going to review it in our next break to correct the record, yes or no? Yes. Question, you helped out the

president's campaign or were

involved in the campaign as a

representative, as a spokesman, even in your words today, it was your idea for the campaign dating back to 2011. Is that accurate, yes or no?

Yes. Is that accurate? Yes or no? Yes Mr. Weisenberg and other individuals miss Rona who are those individuals? Are they with the Trump Organization?

There are other people that we should be meeting with

So Alan Weisenberg is the chief financial officer

Uh-huh. You got as many names as you can so we can get to them. Yes, ma'am Is miss Rona? What is miss. Rona's... Rona Graff is Mr. Trump's executive assistant. And would she be able to corroborate many of the statements that you've made here?

Yes, she was, her office is directly next to his and she's involved in a lot that went on.

Well, one thing missing from the files and the testimony of the many people involved is any serious accusations of wrongdoing against the president. Many are now highlighting this vintage Trump interview from 2015 in which he torches the former Prince Andrew and says Epstein could be a political problem for the Clintons.

You raised the question of Jeffrey Epstein in your remarks about in the Q&A.

I think he's got a problem.

What do you think the problem will be?

I don't know, but that island was uh... really assess pool there's no question about it just s prince andrew he'll tell you about it uh... the island was an absolute cesspool so uh... friends are friends and they're for many times when separate well i

can say friends but i know friendly you know them are you playing my clubs a lot i have clubs and everybody likes to play it by the covers. Are you saying there's a political problem for her if she runs for president? It could be a political problem. Look, he could be a political problem. Right now he's Teflon and right now maybe not, but he could end up being a political

problem.

Well, if Trump has nothing to hide and has always known that, it's not unreasonable to ask why this ever became such a mess. of his friends and donors are about to be declared guilty by association. It's very likely that there's no listed VIP clients and no paper trail to Tel Aviv, which means some people will simply never believe they've got the full story anyway. But one thing is very clear, as it has been all along, this won't be going away until we know absolutely everything. Well, to debate, I'm joined by a star-studded panel, Cenk Uygur, the founder, CEO of the Young Turks, Brian Tyler Cohen, the host of No Lie,

Brandon Tatum, better known as the Officer Tatum, and Michael Knowles, host of the Michael Knowles Show on Daily Wire. Plus, Anthony Scaramucci will join us shortly. OK, Cenk, let me start with you. Donald Trump has flipped around on the Epstein files

and their important significance and need to be fully transparent about them for the last few months. I'm trying to scratch my head and work out exactly why, not least because when I interviewed David Boies recently, who was the attorney for Virginia Giuffre

and a number of other victims, and also one of the most eminent criminal lawyers in American modern history, he was crystal clear to me that from everything he's seen in the files, there is no suggestion of any criminal culpability for Trump himself. So what is going on here?

Yeah.

So first of all, obviously there was things that were embarrassing there for Donald Trump. And, you know, in your intro you talked about how there isn't anything that says that Donald Trump actually did something illegal. That's true. And that means we, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.

It just means that we haven't seen the files yet, right? But if you, if it turns out we see the files and we're sure that it's the complete files and it turns out Trump didn't do anything illegal, I wouldn't be overly shocked. This isn't about Trump. I know for the partisans, they think, oh, this is about Trump or Clinton or whoever, right?

No, we just want to know who's running our country. So, and my guess is that Trump was hiding it both out of personal embarrassment and let's get real. I mean in the emails so far already we see you know Epstein saying that he's with Joufri in my house in 2011 when Trump claims that he broke off his relationship with Epstein in 2003. Obviously there's the infamous Bubba email, whatever that means.

I don't know why people aren't talking about that more. And you've got a lot of really embarrassing stuff for Trump. But on top of that, this is clearly an intelligence agency, and at this point pretty much proven that it's Mossad. Dropsite News has Ehud Barak's emails, where they are – Epstein and the former prime minister of Israel are conspiring to get America to bomb Syria and to get America to bomb Iran.

And Epstein is so powerful, he could set up a meeting with Vladimir Putin for Ehud Barak. He's more powerful than the former prime minister of Israel. This guy was a lot bigger than we realized. So, look, for the partisans, they'll want to, the Democrats will want to get Trump, and the Trump loyalists will pretend that he did nothing wrong and it was all the Democrats. But I think that's actually missing the point.

The point is, somebody else is running our government. Who ran this horrible scheme to rape American girls and then use the tapes to smear or maybe hold hostage American politicians and powerful people? I mean, the answer seems to be clear. There's no question Epstein was working with Israel. So why are we not talking about that?

And of course, Trump is a huge client of Israel, has gotten hundreds of millions of dollars from donors who favor Israel. He's going to want to hide that as well. And why is he giving up now and saying, OK, release the files? Well, number one, he isn't. He could release the files himself right now. So he's lying.

He doesn't really want to release the files. And number two, it's because he already lost the vote. So what else is he going to do? Because some portion of MAGA and a huge portion of his voters have rebelled, and they rightly rebelled. This isn't America at first, this isn't anything that he promised before.

OK, Brandon Tate, welcome back to Uncensored. I saw you pulling a few faces there, suggesting you're not entirely in agreement with Chenk's assessment. So what's your response?

Well, I think it's interesting that it's always got to be about Israel, which is insane to me. My assessment on the totality of circumstances is that,

it's in the emails.

I don't think this really affects the American people. You know, most people are trying to have a good livable wage and all this other stuff that we're talking about, housing costs, you name it, insurance, you name it. And nobody really is thinking about this.

I don't know why this is such a major deal. If Trump was implicated whatsoever in any of these files, I think we all agree that the Democrats would have at least hinted to it when he was running for office, so he'll never get in office again. And for someone to think that it's got to be about Israel, then you have to say that both sides are covering for Israel. And I don't think so. I don't think that the Democrats were as in love with Israel asenck is claiming that Donald Trump is. I don't believe so. You know, the CIA could be just as involved in this as you claim Assad is.

So we don't know. We don't have any evidence to even project this, to be honest. So I would say this, like everybody on this panel, they need to release the information so we can have clarity. But for this to be an ongoing thing, and everybody's just so hyper hyper focused on this, this is the determination of whether you like Trump or not. That's asinine to me.

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in modern American history, and it involves a man who's extremely mysterious, even to this day, seemed to have amassed an enormous personal wealth buying one of the biggest homes in Manhattan. No one's quite sure how he got that money.

He seems to have... I mean, there's a fascinating bit of information on the Semaphore site today, Ben Smith site, in which he talks about something that's on the files that's available now, which is Michael Wolff had written a 4,000-word piece about Epstein,

which he sent to Epstein to try and, as he puts it, induce him to get other friends to talk to Wolf. And people can have their view about the ethics of that, but this has been Wolf's playbook with a lot of people over the years. But if you read it, the sheer volume, and this is after the conviction that Epstein had for being a pedophile, the sheer volume of rich, famous, powerful people

pouring in and out of this Manhattan home is unbelievable. And there are potentially 2,000 girls and young women, many of the girls underage, who have been abused here. So I do think it really matters.

Let me clarify that if it came across as me saying nobody cares. I don't think it's that nobody cares. I think when you talk about the priorities of the president of the United States and priorities of our country, I'm saying it's not as significant. There were a lot of victims and I think they need to get justice and how we haven't gotten justice for them this far is insane to me.

We should release all the files. But what I'm saying is that the majority of the priority of this country, and the reason why I think that the president isn't as focused on this, and it's not necessarily just because it's nefarious, it's because there's a lot more things going on in our country that the majority of Americans are filling every day in their pocketbook and all of the above. So that's all I'm saying. I don't want to be insensitive to people who are victimized by this criminal and evil person who's now dead.

So I wanted to make sure that is clear.

OK. Brian, it's a fast-moving scandal. The former Prince Andrew was sort of hanging on right to the point that there were new leaked emails contradicting his previous statements about how long he'd known Epstein and so on.

You know, as Cenk pointed out, if what Epstein says in these emails that came out about Trump in the last few days is right, then it appears that Donald Trump may have continued his friendship with Epstein past when he said he did before. So these emails, the sort of the leak, leak, leak emails have been pretty devastating in terms of apparent evidence

contradicting a lot of public statements by a lot of very famous people. But ultimately to me, what really matters is whether any of this activity was criminal. And I am mindful again of what David Boies said to me, which is he'd seen nothing criminal

against Trump, but he had seen stuff against at least six and maybe as many as a dozen high profile men, which he thought warranted criminal prosecution. So this has a long way to go. If this dump comes with all the files released, we could see a flurry of prosecutions against some very famous people.

Look, even if Trump didn't do anything illegal, the reality is that he is the one secreting all of these files, in effect protecting all of these people who may very well have done something illegal. And that's just as bad in my book, whether you are the one committing these crimes or whether you're the one protecting these people who are committing these crimes.

And the reality is that Donald Trump had the ability via Pambondi, because as we all know, she is an appendage of him, to be able to release these files months ago. And in fact, this wouldn't have been surprising considering this administration is filled with people

who stake their entire identities, who predicated their entire brands on this idea that they were going to release the Epstein files on day one. So it's no surprise when you staff your administration with Dan Bongino and Kash Patel and Pam Bondi and Alina Haba, all of these people who had been beating this drum about releasing these Epstein files, suddenly they hide them. So if somebody did do something illegal and you have somebody who's protecting those people, in my book, that is just as bad. And I want to clarify a point that I heard previously on this panel, this idea that,

that you know, if there was something bad in the Epstein files that the Biden administration would have just released it. First of all, the Ghislaine Maxwell prosecution was going until 2022 and then her appeal was going until 2025. And in a world prior to this one, where the DOJ is completely politicized and weaponized, they're not going to release information on ongoing prosecutions. But that notwithstanding, look, I do believe that this stuff should

have been released. And that falls squarely in the lap of one person, and that's Merrick Garland. And if you're looking for somebody to defend Merrick Garland and his judicious nature and his overly cautious nature, it's not going to be me. And frankly, I don't think it's going to be anyone, because this guy was focused not on achieving justice without fear or favor. This guy was focused on preventing the optics of politicization. This was as weak and meek an attorney general

as I think we've ever had. So I also think that Merrick Garland should have released this stuff sooner. But look, in a previous world where the separation of church and state between the White House and the DOJ actually mattered, the same world that Republicans used to occupy when they clutched their pearls about Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch, there wouldn't be a world where Joe Biden can mandate that Merrick Garland release these files. But, you know, we obviously don't live in that world anymore.

OK, Michael Knowles, if I was advising Donald Trump here, I would just say, you know what, you should just get ahead of all this. Order all the files to be released, unredacted, just get it all out there because it's all going to come out now. However it happens, it's all going to come out. Yes, there's a process now where the House will vote on it.

It's likely to vote in favor of releasing. It goes to the Senate. There'll be enormous pressure on the Senate to authorize the release. And then there may be some stuff that's held back because they'll say well we're investigating but ultimately I don't think the American public are now going to be appeased until they know that every spit and cough and dotted eye is out there. What do you think?

This is what it really comes down to, Piers. You know there have been lots of interesting things said on this panel. I'm very curious as to what the Epstein infrastructure represented. There have been many suggestions over the years reportedly from Alex Acosta, the former US attorney who is Trump's, you know, labor nominee when he apparently suggested that that Epstein would belong to intelligence, the the potential connections to Israel, the connection to the UK obviously with Prince Andrew, whatever. You know, obviously it's

extremely interesting. I'd like to know more about it. We probably never will know much more about it, but I'm interested in it. Obviously we want justice for the victims. Obviously we want bad guys to be held to account. All of that is true, but it's simpler.

The reason that President Trump initially in 2015 called for scrutiny into Epstein is because he doesn't have anything serious to hide. Yes, I'm sure he turns up in the files. Yes, I'm sure there's some embarrassing stuff in there, but he's got nothing serious to hide. I've got that from pretty highly placed liberal sources too, as you've mentioned as well, Pierce. Then the reason he flipped on it is because he realized rightly that focusing on the

Epstein files doesn't really get him anything politically. It's just kind of a distraction from the topics he wants to be talking about, which are crime in Democrat cities and immigration and the economy or whatever else. So I think it was a basic political calculation to say, if we're talking about Epstein, it doesn't really help us. Now, for that very same reason, I think the White House just miscalculated. They thought that not talking about Epstein was going to make the issue go away so they could focus on more important things. Well, actually, it just put even more focus on the Epstein files. So now Trump comes out, he says, all right, whatever, I'm going to lose this vote. The party's in rebellion.

OK, fine, release the files. But I think it's much more practical than what everyone's suggesting.

The only thing I would say about your timeline, I'm not saying you're wrong, but if you go back in the last few months, certainly the first months of the year when he got elected, there was this enormous push by his people to say, we're gonna release all the files. We're gonna be totally transparent. They came on this show and we're giving it the full, we're gonna get it all out there, blah, blah, blah.

And then a weird series of events happened. Elon Musk falls out with Donald Trump and suddenly tweets out a note or posts out a note on his ex-platform. Breaking news, Trump's in the Epstein files, that's why he doesn't want to release them. Enjoy your night Donald, something like that. And within a few days the whole investigation was shut down, the whole idea of releasing them was shut down, and I remember looking at all that thinking that is very odd. What is going on here, right?

What has Elon Musk seen or heard? And the fact he set off this bonfire with this one post, which he then deleted later, really triggered a series of events at the White House that was a screeching U-turn on their previous attitude and tone towards these files.

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It is all a bit weird, of course, but I think that actually kind of proves the more basic political point, which is that releasing the Epstein files was a very good line during the campaign. And I think people cared about it. Don't forget, it was the conservatives back in 2014, 2015, who were calling attention to Epstein. That was initially considered a Democrat scandal but then as you see even just from Elon's tweet the very fact that Trump appears in the files because he's known Epstein for a very long time the very fact of that

became a major distraction it was politically damaging to the White House and then you just got to think at a basic political calculation what's the best that comes out of releasing the files? Is it a real knockdown for the Democrats? Is there really going to be justice? Some of what's in the files is actually going to be retracted, like you saw Virginia Giuffre retract an accusation against Alan Dershowitz and come out and say that she never saw Trump do anything improper. So it's this

muddy, weird, ugly event. Even the real stuff with Epstein the potential connections to intelligence or whatever it's just so I don't know murky and obscure I I don't think there's a major political win and and now I think they're pretty clearly

is. Cenk? Yeah no this is way simpler there's nothing murky about this at all there's two factors here one is Donald Trump's embarrassment whether he did something criminal or not and on that let's stay there for a second. We're all ignoring the Elephant in the room. There's an email that says that Donald Trump blew Bubba now Some people think Bubba's Bill Clinton. Some people think it's a horse. Some people think whatever now I didn't write the email I and I in fact when I first saw it online I didn't even believe it.

Hang on, hang on. Let's just explain to viewers you might be at the moment shouting at their screen thinking what? So this is a message reported is originally from Mark Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein's brother. He is the one who sends this to Jeffrey Epstein. He has since publicly denied that it was referring to Bill Clinton, but has offered no clarification as to who it was referring to.

Clinton, of course, had that nickname, amongst others. I mean, it could just be a joke between brothers, it could just be a slur, or it could be something else, I guess. I just find it very, very hard. I have a question, Piers. What, sir? I have a question, Piers. What's that?

I have a question for Cenk.

Wait, let me finish the thought. Cenk, do you really believe, forget about Trump for a second, do you think that Trump is Bill Clinton's type? Everything, we know a lot about Bill Clinton's sex life. Do you really think large, blonde

men, that's Bubba's, but I don't know if Bubba's Bill Clinton. I don't care if it's Bill Clinton. I'd be surprised if it was Bill Clinton. But I don't know that he actually blew a guy. I don't know. But Mark Epstein denied that it was Bill Clinton, but didn't deny that Donald Trump actually

gave a blowjob. So it's not me.

I don't trust him.

But hold on, hold on, hold on, let me finish the thought. Hold on. No, no, no, no, no. And then Epstein, Jeffrey Epstein says, well, the Russians would love to get their hands on that picture or something like along those lines. So wait, is that a joke?

That doesn't sound like a joke. So, look, I'm not saying he definitely did it, but is it possible that Donald Trump was embarrassed that that would come out?

Of course!

Okay, but that's only half the equation is, and the less important half of the equation. The main reason why it never came out, both under Trump and under Democratic administrations, is because it obviously involves intelligence agencies. This is not complicated. An officer Tatum says, oh, okay, it might be the CIA. I agree.

Maybe it's the CIA and Mossad working together. But there's no question. You can look at the four-part series on DropSite News. The former prime minister of Israel's emails have been released, and Epstein and him constantly are coordinating about how to push America into a war. And they're talking about only the benefit of Israel.

They never talk about the benefit of America. And Epstein is using almost all of his power to help Israel. That's now an established fact. And that's way more important than Bubba, right? And yet, that's another giant elephant in the room. And mainstream media is like, oh, no, no, it involves Israel.

So we can't talk about it. Well, that explains everything that explains why both parties have been covering this up because it involves potentially our government or or government I was a

tater I don't know the answer to this but I would say having read a lot about Jeffrey Epstein now and the circles he mixed in and the circles he brought to his home and to his island. When you put it all together, it is absolutely not beyond the realms of fantasy. In fact, I would say it heads more to a high likelihood

that he was up to his neck in it with intelligence agencies of some kind, maybe myriad intelligence agencies. It would absolutely go with his persona and the type of people he was getting around his table on a sort of almost daily basis.

So I certainly wouldn't want to bet the bank on him having no attachment to Mossad or CIA or anybody else.

Yeah, I wouldn't, I wouldn't say that either. I have no idea what exactly is involved in this and nobody does. I mean, it's a very complicated situation Nobody understands the totality of this because he was arrested under Donald Trump's first term if I'm not mistaken They had the information there. It was we had the White House and everything We could have divulged whatever needs to be divulged and people are gonna argue if they don't get the results

They want that they it was deleted It was somehow some nefarious thing that went on. Then the Clintons, I mean, and then Joe Biden had it forever. You know, and they did nothing. They didn't even mention anything in propriety, any impropriety about Donald Trump.

And you would think if Donald Trump had blown some guy and they had an email, they. They would leak an email by Donald Trump, at least before the election, to make him look bad so he'll never get in the office. And they can continue to cover this up forever in perpetuity.

You know why I think they didn't?

Unless Israel ordered them not to.

Well, well, I don't know what you're

supposed to be spelling.

They might be. Hang on, hang on, hang on.

It might be simpler than that. It's crazy to me. It might be simpler than that. My gut feeling-

I mean, Biden listened to every single thing Israel said.

Hang on, hang on. Shake, shake, hang on. My gut feeling, my gut feeling about this, Officer Tatum, is there's the reason actually in the end neither side has felt compelled to release all these files is I suspect when we see them all that both sides have a lot of blood on their hands, not literally, but in terms of embarrassing revelation, perhaps evidence of alleged criminality and so on.

I suspect you'll see this is a proper bipartisan scandal. I only base that on the type of guests that Epstein was having all the time. They were from every part of American high society, Democrat, Republican, you name it, they were trotting down there. So from what I'm gathering from people who've seen these files, there's a lot of embarrassment to be had for both parties, which may explain why both parties have been reluctant to put

it all out into the public domain.

Yeah, I agree with you. I agree with you on that to a certain degree, because it does appear to be that way. You know, there's people that have mentioned, obviously on television and the like, that there are people that may be implicated that probably did not commit a crime. They had just been accused of committing a crime from victims with no evidence. And so I think there's a risk in that, that they don't want to expose people that have

not been able to go through justice. But I would argue as crooked as the Democrats were, you would think that they would float and release things to make sure that Donald Trump would get in

an office and therefore they can have the White House again and no one would ever know. I do agree

with that. I have to say I have to say I do I do agree with that. Brian, just to bring you in here, I mean, you know, they tried to jail him for just about everything. People tried to kill Donald Trump several times in that campaign. The idea that the Democrats, with these files in their possession, would not have trawled them at some stage for stuff which could be damaging to Trump, if not disqualifying, I think is for the birds.

They must have done. And if they didn't, they're even more useless and incompetent than the polls currently suggest.

Well, first of all, let's not conflate they with the Democrats in terms of who tried to assassinate Donald Trump.

I didn't say that. I was very careful. I was very careful. I said they.

I heard the hedging language, but I just wanted to state it as well.

I'll be crystal clear. They, i.e. the left, tried to jail him for absolutely everything. That's uncontestable. And I said, and there were attempts to take his life several times.

And it justified the assassination.

Right. I'm not pinning that on Democrats, but I'm saying that there was a lot going on in that year to stop Donald Trump becoming president again, either through imprisonment or through killing him. And the idea that no one on the left in possession of these files would not have trawled them for damaging information I think is stretching credulity isn't it? Uncensored is proudly sponsored by Cozy Earth which like me delivers next-level quality and comfort. If I

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Again, the files were in the possession of one person, just like they're in the possession of Pam Bondi right now, who will of course bent at the every whim of Donald Trump. They were in the possession of Merrick Garland. This is a guy who wouldn't even investigate Donald Trump for his efforts to overturn the 2020 election. This is somebody whose entire ethos, his entire raison d'etre in government was just to prevent

the optics of politicization. Am I surprised that Merrick Garland didn't leak any of this information in the files? Absolutely not. Again, this guy didn't do, this guy's sole focus was to not do anything political or politicized. So if you're asking why this wasn't leaked, do I think it should have been leaked? Absolutely.

Do I care whether anyone from Larry Summers or Bill Clinton all the way to Donald Trump is implicated in these files. Am I looking to protect any of these people? Absolutely not. I think all of this should have been released. And by the way, so did the people that staff this very administration, Dan Bongino, Cash

Patel. The fact that they now are so silent, the fact that they're perpetuating the same cover-up that they once condemned.

I don't disagree. I don't disagree. I think you make a perfectly valid point about the hypocrisy on both sides. Michael, you want to respond to that?

Yeah, hold on. Brian's whitewashing Garland a little bit too much here. He's complimenting him by pretending to insult him. So he's saying, well, you know, the real problem with Merrick Garland, well, you are, because you're saying the real problem with Merrick Garland is he didn't want to get into the fray of politics. He was so clean. He wanted to remain so above it all. This is the guy who lied about the Biden DOJ spying on Catholic parishes, going in, you know, so much perfidy, so much deception. And I don't know, he was a complete political

hack. And I think what's important to this conversation is I don't think it was Merrick Garland's pristine moral standards that prevented him from releasing this. I think that's probably right. And one second, one second, Brian, I think Pierce is probably right that if the Democrats don't want to release the files, it's because the files don't look good for them either.

If you think Merrick Garland was a political hack, do you think Pam Bondi is a political hack, Michael?

I think Pam Bondi is doing a very good job as attorney general.

I don't think she's a hack like Garland. This woman has engaged in every political prosecution. Donald Trump literally sends his little edicts out into the ether on truth social he posted a d what was supposed to be a dm to pam telling her what to do and the second yes i don't know that it's not too i don't think the notion that pam bondi is doing a very good job but that meric garland's is a political act i wish meric garland was

more of a i'll explain to you the notion that I'm Bondi is just some like figure is some dog's like you the distinction joke no here's the distinction you're saying Pam Bondi has an allegiance to President Trump or she is a conservative or something yeah obviously of course she's the Attorney General under a Republican administration I guess the difference is I don't think Pam Bondi is lying about the FBI going in and spying on the

political enemies of the party in power was Was Pam Bondi lying when she said the files were going to be released on her desk?

Yeah, I think she was. I'm afraid, let me jump in there. I think that what she did that day was ludicrous and is actually one of the reasons why the whole thing spiraled out of control. Because if you take a camel to the edge of an oasis and don't actually give it a drink, they get angry. A whole fire panel.

I'm going to bring in Anthony Scaramucci, the former White House press secretary, host of the Restless Politics US. Anthony, great to have you back on Uncensored. How are you?

It's nice to be on. I see a lot of my friends there. Hello, Michael. It's a pretty partisan comment there, Michael. Hello, Brian. Thank you. Anthony. I mean, Michael, I love you. You think Pam Bondi is nonpartisan, but Merrick Garland was. I mean, come on, man. That is such a stretch. She's not a hack like Garland. Okay, all right, I'm just saying, you know, let's get the bubble back on the level, okay? Like when we're leveling the frame, the picture,

we gotta have the bubble in the middle. Pam Bondi-

No, she's a partisan and she's part of the Republican Party.

So I agree.

Pam Bondi is a Trump family law firm member that happens to also be the Attorney General of the United States. So, I mean, they've just got to be honest about it. But go ahead, Pierce, it's your show. It's great to be back on.

It's great to... Yeah, I don't want you suddenly commandeering my entire show here, Anthony. I apologise for that. I just had to call Michael out because I know Michael a long time. I know Michael's, you know, moves. I back to your moves. This whole Epstein scandal, it seems to me it's been an ongoing act of self-harm by the Trump administration to take all the media to a place where they were just expecting to be given all the files and be boasting about how transparent you're going to be,

how you're going to finally get to the bottom of all this, and then just to put the drawbridge up and say, no, it's all over, no files, no investigation, nothing. And now to be sort of bullied into going along with its release and so on. It's all been handled very badly. And what's been fascinating, I think, to watch from the outside is the way that a lot of the pressure on Trump has not just come from Democrats, but has actually come from within the MAGA base who were enraged about this

and wanted these files released and have been completely incredulous as to why suddenly they weren't being.

Well, I mean, there's a lot there, but I guess, you know what I said last week in our podcast, his move is to say he wants full disclosure because that gives him coverage with his base. You know, his base believes in him no matter what. And no matter what comes out of the disclosed files, Trump will have a defense that his base would believe.

And so I was very surprised that he went in the direction that you're describing. And of course, on Sunday night, he went in the direction that you're describing. And of course, on Sunday night, he went in the direction that I thought was the more accurate offensive direction for the president, because that's really his only move. I mean, he would have been, he would have lost and he would have showed a fissure in the MAGA base

by that House vote going against them. So, you know, but I will say this and people could disagree with me on here that really like the president. He looks tired. He looks distracted. And he's obviously worried about something because you don't make the moves that he made, the ones that you're describing, if he's not worried about something. But he's going to get forced into this now.

And I believe that they'll go back to Pam Bondi and say that there's an ongoing investigation, a result of which none of this stuff can be divulged at this moment. So I think that's the next move from him is, I want the vote, make it unanimous. But oh, by the way, there's an ongoing investigation,

so you'll never see the light of day, the documents say. But I don't think, I don't think, Anthony, that's going to fly. I just do not think that will fly either outside of his party or within his party. You know, you're seeing a really fascinating schism erupting now in the conservative right in America. A lot of it goes back to Israel. But I also think the Epstein files have been a major part of this. You just see people siding up on either side of this.

And I think that a lot of the MAGA base, the real diehard Trumpers, they want this stuff out there.

Well, let me just push back for a second, Piers. I know you have a lot of other people we need to talk to on the show, but I just want to say this because I know him very well. I think that's the move until they can come up with another distraction, perhaps killing more people off of the coast of Venezuela, invading Venezuela, something to do with Ukraine. He will find a distraction. Remember, Trump is always characterized by incrementalism.

And so he's not worried about three months from now or two months from now he's worried about next week and so you would be right if he doesn't come up with more smoke screens and I would just tell you that he has a PhD in smoke screening so I predict he'll find something to distract people from this over the ensuing months.

All right Michael just bringing you back on that point, that could well be the case. But I really do think if all they do is kick this can down the road, it's going to get a bigger problem for the Trump administration.

I totally agree. And I almost agree with my friend Mr Scaramucci over there. I think he's just getting it backwards. I think that the entire calculation here was that the Epstein files are a major distraction. And so what has come to be the case, I think indisputably, is that not releasing the files was a distraction. There are going to be files, however, that

will not come out. And even if they did release all the files, there will always be people saying, well, there were more emails, there were files that were destroyed. Of course that's the case. The Epstein scandal is really, really bizarre. And so I kind of think of it like the JFK files. You know, 1992 we were supposed to get those JFK files and the government just like doesn't release them all. So either Epstein is who the elites say that he is, which is a weird rich sex freak, but no connections to any political questions, or

he was the super duper triple spy for every government agency in the world. He's James Bond and Jason Bourne, in which case we're never going to find out the full story. Either we know what we know, you know, we know everything, or we're never going to get the whole story. And so it will serve as a distraction.

There's no question about it. The only question is how how do you minimise that distraction? And I agree. Listen, I hate to say it, but I think I agree with everyone here that Trump has to release the files. It helps to reunify the party a little bit.

And by the way, if the Democrats win the midterms, which those elections two weeks ago seemed to suggest, they're going to have investigations ad nauseum. So better to get ahead of it and not let them put their spin on it. Yeah, that's what I think.

Cenk, I wanna bring in the other extraordinary part of the last few weeks, the remarkable transformation of Marjorie Taylor Greene from MAGA cheerleader and close friend of the president to the woman who's now the sworn enemy of the president, he calls her a traitor,

and is now, and really underpinning this, is her conviction that the Epstein files have to be released and that the Trump administration has been blocking it. What do you make of this?

Yeah, so there's a connective tissue through all of this. So I'll start with Epstein and get to the split in MAGA. So guys, we keep talking about it like it isn't solved. It's solved. He was working with Israel. He had an Israeli spy, an intelligence officer, stay with him over and over again for weeks on end.

Every email from Mahmoud Barak's emails and drop site news shows that Epstein was doing everything he could to help Israel. So and why, oh, Trump's uncomfortable, the Democrats are uncomfortable, but yet somehow they don't release it. Why not? Because the one thing that both parties serve is Israel.

Who can, who has enough power to kill someone inside an American prison and have the videotape not work and the guards be off? Intelligence agencies. Obviously, this is already solved. So now the connective tissue. So the reason why Trump's base is upset is because the core of the promise was America

first.

And now they have Trump get into office. First he says, no, I'm not serving you guys. I'm not releasing the Epstein files. Then he says, okay, nope, I'm going to bomb Iran and I'm going to do whatever Israel wants. Israel is first. Then it goes way beyond that then he goes okay I don't care about affordability anymore I a tax cuts for the rich tag it was or subsidies for

oil companies and all the things that never put Americans first the donors first whether they're oil companies pharmaceutical companies or the Israeli lobby so Marjorie Taylor Greene comes along and she says what MAGA's been saying all along. So now what you guys have to understand is that Trump's voters, in my opinion, and I'm curious what you all think, are in three buckets, right? One is independents who listen to Rogan, Young Turks, Theo Vaughn, Tim Dillon.

Those guys just hate the establishment. And they'll vote for anyone who's an actual enemy of the establishment and a populist for the American people. So those guys are already gone. I mean, you see it in the younger voters. Trump used to have an eight-point lead. Now he has a 55-point deficit.

So an independence and the younger are gone. Then there's a bucket in the middle, which is true MA the original maga america first and i disagree with their social issues et cetera but that's marjorie taylor green tucker carlson tom massey center and then the third bucket is trump loyalists the ones who say oh yeah of course everybody's eating cats and dogs and trump couldn't wait to release the absent files and this is all a trick in a chess game and all that

those guys are hopeless that trump could say anything and they'll believe it. And in fact, the rest of the Trump voters are now looking at them like, are you guys nuts? Like, wake up to what's going on here. The establishment is screwing us and it turns out that Trump is part of the establishment. I don't think anyone can argue that Trump has more pro- original pro-MAGA positions

than Marjorie Taylor Greene. In fact, I did a poll on X about this Marjorie took an 82 to 18 lead against Trump as to the true Original mega and then cat turd and others the Trump loyalist comes in they have tons of votes going for Trump And then it went back and forth back and forth all day 66,000 votes and at the end Marjorie Taylor Greene wins Why because most of the people that watch online media

now realize Trump is just another guy in the establishment, another elite. He's doing the same exact thing as all the other corporate Democrats and Republicans. Okay,

Brandon, what do you think of that? Because I do think there's some merit to this. I mean Marjorie Taylor Greene has been going out there and talking in a way I've never heard her talk before and it's definitely resonating with people. I see a lot of people in the MAGA movement who actually agree with her. A lot of people don't, but I don't think Trump calling her a traitor is necessarily going to work in the way he hopes.

Well, I disagree on that. If you look at Marjorie Taylor Greene, she switched. She didn't, it's not that she continued in the MAGA way, she continued with America First Conservatism. She's completely switched. She was just on television saying that Donald Trump shouldn't deport all these people at

one time because it hurt the people who are working at her company. You know, Marjorie Taylor Greene has changed her position on so many different things. She just apologized on CNN and said she's sorry for contributing to the rhetoric. Marjorie Taylor Greene, her whole pop, the reason she's popular is because she went against the grain. It's because she challenged people on a day-to-day basis. And now she's apologizing to CNN for it. She says Trump has accomplished nothing since he's been in office. He's completely turned on America. That is insane to me. You're talking about the

border crisis that we experienced that have been matriculated throughout our society in so many negative ways. Donald Trump has brought an end to that. Ask the people who live on the border. Ask the people who patrol on the border. And then you go off into other aspects. I think he's trying to do his best when it comes to tariffs to bring revenue back into the American economy. And it's not that easy. Nobody is willing to do it. So Donald Trump is willing to do the hard thing now so we can benefit later. But for Marjorie Taylor Greene to go off the reservation to say all of these different things,

this is why he called her a traitor. This is why people think that she's changed. And I would add to this, and Shane, he laments to this all the time, this has come down to Israel. It's the fact that Marjorie Taylor Greene has taken a position on Israel and everybody that loves to hate on Israel will take her side and Donald Trump has been supportive of Netanyahu, he's been supportive of things

in Israel. People begin to turn on him because of that and so it's a two-fold thing. She's turned, all her values have completely changed which is why Trump thinks she's a traitor and the people who hate Israel is going to follow her and the people who love Israel is going to follow a majority of what Donald Trump says.

Brian, let me just play you the apology she made.

Yeah, it's MAGA vs. MIGA.

It's America first vs. Israel first.

No, you're serious.

Hang on, Cenk. I want to play the clip.

And it's about do we control our own government.

Okay, Cenk. I want to...

We control our own government.

Hang on, guys. I want to just play the clip that you referenced. I want to play the apology, the Marjorie Taylor Greene May. Let's take a look at this.

I would like to say humbly, I'm sorry for taking part in the toxic politics. It's very bad for our country. And it's been something I've thought about a lot, especially since Charlie Kirk was assassinated, is that I'm only responsible for myself and my own words and actions. And I am going, I am committed, and I've been working on this a lot lately, to put down the knives and politics.

Now, Brian, are you buying this? I mean mean it's been a remarkable kind of Damascene conversion. You know Marjorie Taylor Greene you could argue and I'm going to interview her after I speak to you guys has been one of the most toxic people in the political

discourse space in America in the last few years saying some deeply inflammatory violence inducing comments on occasion. Are you buying this dramatic U-turn?

Do I think it's coming from a place of true honesty? Probably not. I think that she sees that there's some, that it's politically advantageous for her to be able to say this. I think she feels burned because, you know,

clearly she wanted to run for US Senate in Georgia, and instead, you know, one of the good old boys, Buddy Carter, was anointed by Donald Trump. So I think she's on a bit of a rampage here. But on the other point, I mean, look, the fact that she's resonating so much is a testament to the fact that there is a recognition in Trump's base or on the right more broadly that, you know, all of the things that Trump promised are not coming to fruition.

This guy ran for office as some populist champion. He promised lower rent, lower housing, lower groceries, lower eggs. He promised free IVF, ending the Ukraine-Russia war on day one. He promised lower costs.

Look what he's done since he's actually been in office. Costs on everything have surged because of this misguided trade war that everybody said was going to raise the cost of everything. The San Francisco Federal Reserve just came out and said the tariffs were deflationary. He has not done anything for IVF, not done anything for the Russia-Ukraine war. And where is his focus?

It's on building himself a $350 million ballroom. It's on encrusting Qatari jets at the tune of a billion dollars. It's on buying Kristi Noem a couple of Gulfstream jets that cost $170 million. It's on hosting great Gatsby parties. It's so obvious where this guy's priorities are. Again, he ran by dangling these carrots in front of poor people in America. And once he actually gets power, the optics, the gold, the opulence that he surrounds himself in puts on full display that this guy does not give a flying fuck about the people that he pandered to on the

campaign trail and his priority is solely himself. And so clearly there's going to be anger in the MAGA base. Clearly there's going to be anger among Republicans more broadly because it could not be more obvious that this guy doesn't give a shit about them.

OK. doesn't give a shit about that. OK, and Anthony, what do you make of the Marjorie Taylor Greene split here with Trump? Because he's getting a lot of attention. It kind of reflects a lot of the splits going on on the conservative right in America and on the Trump support in particular, Epstein and Israel being two of the leading components to this.

What do you make of it?

Well, you know, it's what Harry Truman said. If you want a friend in Washington, buy a dog. Her interests have now diverged from Donald Trump's, and so she's speaking out against him. And so I hear what Brian's saying. I don't necessarily say it's disingenuous or ingenuous.

It's just the nature of politics in the United States. And so he's a lame duck, whether people like it or not, Steve Bannon, et cetera. He's going to be going into those midterm elections weakened. There's a political mortality about Donald Trump that's embedded in the constitution. So Rand Paul, Massey, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Boebert, you're going to see more people breaking from Donald Trump as they each try to find their footing in

whatever they think the philosophical tenets of the Republican movement or the MAGA movement should be after Trump. And so I think that's the move. And it's really that calculated. It's not necessarily based on principle or anything like that, but it's more pragmatism. And frankly, Piers, you and I have been around a long time.

This has happened to every other lame duck president as people set themselves up for the next presidential term come 2028.

If you were a betting man now, Anthony, because the Democrats are hardly in great shape themselves, polling at record lows, no apparent leader coming through yet, the most charismatic member of the party polling at record lows, no apparent leader coming through yet. The most charismatic member of the party actually being a self-declared socialist, many declare him to be a communist, Mamdani in New York.

He can't run, obviously, but his ideology is something certainly shared by the likes of AOC and others. So you could argue that the most famous and dynamic members of the Democratic Party are AOC, Mamdani, Bernie Sanders. It's all the far left, right? I don't think that can win a general election.

So how is the Democrat set up, actually going, or Democratic Party set up, going to stop MAGA continuing just by default if they get pulled too far to the left.

You know, listen, I'm going to cite the president, if you don't mind, because whatever you think of him, and obviously I'm on the other side of him at this point in my life, he's got great political instincts. When Mondani won in New York, Trump is like, OK, that's the signal from the Democratic Party. They're going to go hard left. The country's not ready for that, okay?

And even if there's hard left people on this call, I'm just letting you know, the country is not ready for that, does not want that. And if the Democrats don't build a coalition around somebody that will tack to the center, and by the way, you mentioned his electoral success,

but you had Mickey in New Jersey, you had Spanberger in Virginia. You did have moderate Democrats that won as well. And if they go in a moderate direction, they could probably beat the Republicans. But if they don't go in a moderate direction, Pierce, I think they end up losing handily and they'll be sitting around shaking their heads.

But they go after each other in that party in a way that the Republicans don't. You know, whatever happens on the side of the Republicans, they line up together and they keep their mouths shut and they support one person. The Democrats don't like doing that.

Well, they did the Republicans, but you've got to say, looking at Marjorie Taylor Greene's spat with Trump, that may be beginning to fragment, although I agree with you about the Democrat issue.

Until there's a primary winner, Until there's a primary winner. Again, the-

No, no, I agree with you. Okay. Yeah. Cenk, I just wanted to mention something before we finish. This is this issue of the kid who tried to assassinate Trump.

And these are revelations that Tucker Carlson has mainly brought into the public domain in which it appears that far from the FBI narrative that was being given to us, that there was no online path for this kid and no real explanation for why he'd done it, turns out there was an awful lot of online stuff that they've now unearthed. But it's been bullied out there by Tucker

and his investigation. 17 different accounts, many of it very incendiary, very threatening, very dangerous, actually, if you read it. What's going on here? Again, there was a promise of transparency. There was repeated leaks that there was nothing

on this guy online, which in itself sounded so weird for a kid that young and yet now it turns out the complete opposite is true

Yeah, again, there's a connective tissue here which is I think we're misunderstanding the whole paradigm here we're still talking as if it's Democrats versus Republicans and and that there are so-called moderates etc. So Marjorie Taylor Greene's positions I totally disagree with Tatum. They haven't almost haven't changed at all. Donald Trump's positions have changed wildly. He said he was anti-war and now he's going to invade Venezuela? That's mental and that isn't America First, that isn't anti-war, etc.

So what's the connective tissue? Whoever is the most populist is the one that the people support the most. Whoever is the most anti-establishment is the candidate that's going to win. So when you talk about, oh, like the far left, like Mamdani, AOC, etc. No, no, no, no. left like mom donnie aoc et cetera no no it is that i don't care where you are in the political spectrum i care where you are in the spectrum between establishment and populist

so the reason mom donnie one originally the reason aoc one is because they were anti status quo and the establishment they were for change right so at this point though i guarantee you both the republican and i hope to dem Democrat, the Republican for

sure and my God, I'm going to do everything I can to make sure that the Democratic primary as well is won by a person who is deeply, deeply anti-establishment. So right now, the people in power are screwing the average person and it's super obvious. So Marjorie Taylor Greene saying it on the right,, Tucker Carlson's saying it on the right, and the government is covering up a thousand things. So why did they cover up the shooter's real history?

That's a super fair question. You know, look, before Piers, I believed the things the government said. Now I look back at it and I think, come on, man. So you found two passports in the burning rubble of 9-11 that conveniently proved your case they were steel melted but the paper passports didn't melt and now why did you hide the the you know the identity of the the

Trump shooter and and everything that happened about the Charlie Kirk shooting is deeply deeply suspicious we go and so, I don't trust the government. No, no, no. If you say you trust the government, both the American government and the Israeli government, and they would never do anything wrong,

and you love the donors and you want to kiss their ass, please do that because it'll be so easy to defeat you. And it doesn't matter whether you're on the right or the left.

Let me bring in Michael, we're running out of time, but I do think it stinks, this whole thing, with Thomas Crooks. This is the attempted assassin at the rally in Butler, Pennsylvania. When you actually get into the weeds of this, this was a guy who was in clear public visibility,

making his thoughts extremely dangerous, extreme thoughts, extremist ideology, admiration for mass violence, spoke openly of political assassination, posted under his real name, was flagged by others who mentioned law enforcement in their replies. But despite that, his account remained active for five years and was only removed the day after the shooting.

Why the briefings that there was no online tracking for this guy when it turned out there was nothing but?

I thought Tucker's report on this was terrific. I think it's a disgrace that a guy sitting up in Maine has to release what information we have now gotten rather than the authorities or the establishment media. So I totally agree with that. The whole thing stinks to high heaven. To Cenk's broader kind of point though, he's arguing that whoever's the most populous wins, this would seem to be undercut by the fact that Joe Biden won in 2020. He's the most establishment candidate ever. Or maybe you're saying Joe Biden didn't really win, which I'm here to listen to. You know, Brian makes this point that the whole right is fraying because the right has realized

that tariffs are inflationary. The San Francisco Feds just shot that down this morning and said they're deflationary actually. Said that people just realized that Trump likes gold. I think people knew that actually for many years before that.

So I think really what we're talking all about is, yes, there's massive, massive government corruption and that's very long-standing, and it's existed under both parties, and both, at least people within both parties, really want to uncover that,

and there are forces that are stopping it. Totally agree. That is separate from Cheng's broader point, which is that the MAGA coalition is beginning to fray. That's right, but the reason for that is simple, and actually Mr. Mooch got to it, which is, sorry on the screen, it's over there, Mr. Mooch got to it, which is that President Trump is coming

to the end of his second term. And this is not a fight, even primarily over ideas. Part of the reason Marjorie Taylor Greene is using Democrat rhetoric on CNN is because Trump hit her and said that she's basically out of the tent. What this is about is 2028, and it going to be a fight for the control of the right that we haven't now had to see in about a decade and

That's going to bring in questions of conspiracy It's going to bring in questions of economy foreign policy all the rest to try to overcomplicate it I think is simple the race for 2028 is on and every split within the right-wing coalition comes down to that

Yeah, I've got to leave it there All I would say is it may seem like the Trump second term is coming to an end, Michael. In fact, he has over three years left. It just feels like it's already been three years, which is the other part of Trump being president is every day seems to go on for about a week. But guys, thank you all very much indeed. A really excellent panel and I appreciate all your time. Thank you.

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