Punjab Dr*g Crisis Explained: Mafia Network, Ground Reality & Black Money| Mukul | FO489 Raj Shamani

What is the problem with drugs? It's not a bad thing that there is a big problem with drugs. It's a bad thing that the drug problem is getting bigger. We went to the peddlers in broad daylight and bought drugs. On camera. Mukul Singh Chauhan.

One of the most fearless voices exposing India's drug reality. If you ask the peddlers how they get their drugs from Afghanistan, they say they send it also exported from the border via drones. He explained how Indian youth are made addicts by giving drugs for free. How this network is spread from borders to cities. And how drugs have become India's biggest problem.

Border security forces won't take down the drone. There are many porous borders. And such a great system exists today. It reaches Delhi in small packets. It reached Punjab from Delhi. Now there is one person in Punjab who is a drug lord.

He is getting a lot of it. Now how to distribute from there? First of all, get the drug done for free. Now why did he get it done for free? Because on the 7th day, he will sell you what he brings. This way, you can make everyone addicts in small pockets. You can make them addicts and take money from them. A father handed over his child to the police.

Why?

He sent all his belongings to the police.

What?

When the nerves get over here, and you can't see it anymore, where else will you put it? As you can see in this photo, the veins are blocked. Next comes the vein near your private part. This has the highest chance of death. Data says that people are dying in drug overdose.

In 2020-2021, about 50,000 people in Punjab were HIV positive. In the data from 2024-25, 90,000 people were HIV positive. One injection was used, but there was no awareness. Five boys were in the group, the second used the same, the third used the same. If one was HIV positive, then five more were infected. This issue is not being solved because the entire parallel economy of black money and drug money is involved in this.

There was a controversy about missing children. Every year, lakhs of children disappear. Is that true? Between 1st to 15th January, 807 people were missing from Delhi. Which is 54 people each day. When it started to get too much, the PRs of the police, Sanjay Taggi, gave a clarification.

This is usual.

In comparison to the past, the reporting of missing people in Delhi

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why you should listen to people, what would you say in the next 60 seconds? So, I travel the world, I try to reach every corner of the country. I reach out to a lot of people, who don't have a life, their challenges, how they work, I try to reach out to people who are not able to reach out to me.

I try to reach out to people who do not understand their life, their challenges, how they work. I go to them, talk to them, investigate them. I have done some reports like this. So basically, I am a reporter who likes to go to the ground, bring things from the ground and put them on the screen. It is the poem of Adam Godwi,

Come and feel the heat of life. I am changing his poem a little, with his apology. Come and feel the heat of life, I will take you to the lane of reporting. So today we will try to understand reporting, how things are reported, how issues come to you and what happens with those reports. What is said, is journalism just a content or it has some effect too?

How does it work? We will talk about all this today. Interesting. I was reading one of your reports, which is, you said that one of the biggest problems in India is around drugs. I took some pictures of yours and then I found out what is the problem of drugs today and

why is it increasing? Which state has the most? How did it start? So, the problem of drugs is not just the problem of India. First of all, the problem of drugs is a problem of the whole world. Now, if we talk from the perspective of India,

then the drug problem is a big problem, but it is not bad. The drug problem is getting bigger. This is worse. From where we are sitting today, Raj, the drug problem is getting bigger every day.

A report has come from Punjab, which is telling that whatever I will talk here, I will do it according to some report or data. When my opinions will be there, I will tell my opinion. That the people who are taking drugs, the addicts, there are more drug peddlers than them. There are more people who sell it. There are almost two people who sell it.

I am telling you about Punjab. So how are they selling it? I went to the Bhatinda of Punjab and investigated it myself. We went to the ground in the form of a report. We spent about a week there.

We met the peddlers. we met the drug addicts, we met those families whose entire family was killed in drugs. They died in drugs. We went there, in broad daylight, at 3 in the afternoon, we took drugs from the peddlers. On camera.

He brought it and came. Then I am telling you all these things. This whole nexus, on one hand, we understand that last year, if we talk specifically about Punjab, the government there, Bhagwat Man Sahib is the CM there. He said that in three months, in January,

we will solve the drug problem. Then why is it not happening? Everyone is saying that this issue is very big, it should be solved. This issue is not being solved because the entire parallel economy generated in this, of black money and drug money has been generated so much that everything is involved in it.

When I spoke to a drug peddler on record, he told me how this whole nexus works. How does it work? He explained to me that I asked him where the drug comes from. He told me that the drug is coming from Afghanistan, or from the south. If you look at this, the first route is how it is travelling. It is not coming in big sizes.

It is not like 3,000 in 3000 kgs of heroin. This distribution is done in a very fine way. Little by little, in small packets, smuggled. This reaches Delhi. From Delhi, this reaches Punjab.

Now, there is one person in Punjab who is a drug lord. He is getting a lot of it.. He has a large number of people. He distributes small amounts of drugs to them. When the drug peddlers gather, how do they distribute the drugs? The most dangerous thing here is

to get the drugs done for free. You caught a 17-18 year old young boy. A friend told him, come, do it. It is a very good thing. He refused. No, no, I don't do it.

No, do it. It is very good. All the pain, illness, and troubles of the world will end. He resisted 3-4 times. Now, like in small addictions, people start smoking in friendship,

start drinking. It is also an addiction. This is a dangerous addiction. So, once a person took it.

What did he take?

Heroin. The most common drug in India is of two-three types. One is synthetic, the other is non-synthetic. Non-synthetic is natural.

Right?

Meaning?

Like your Affine, Charas, Ganja, Opioids. You can call them. When people started consuming this kind of drugs,

then people came to make synthetic. Synthetic drugs are made in your lab. Tramadol, Fentanyl. Donald Trump himself said that Fentanyl is increasing. So, such drugs were also being made. In fact, you will be surprised to know that these reports are published

that there is a pharma company in Mumbai that makes drugs here, Tramadol and Fentanyl and sells it in African countries In those African countries, reporters reported How the destruction is going on there

Is it legal? It is illegal It is illegal It is being sealed there How much will you do? And when the people of the system meet

Then you will do it to an extent. It is happening five times, it is being caught twice, not three times. You cannot say that it is not being caught. But is everything being caught? No.

If a CM is saying that I will control it in three months, I will finish the drug from Punjab. He will erase all the marks. The campaign is going on. The campaign is going on against drugs. Why is it not happening?

Why are the numbers increasing? The most number of deaths from drug overdose is in Punjab. The most. In the country. The death rate of drug overdose is the highest in Punjab. The number of drug addicts is increasing. A week ago, there was a news that 6 children of a mother died. 6 of them were drug addicts.

6 children died in drug addiction. Now, no heir will be left in their family. It is a matter of Ludhiana. It has been reported everywhere. Imagine, six children of a mother died in six drug overdoses. How do they come in this? How is everybody into drugs? So, the whole environment that is made, when I went to Bhatinda in Punjab,

I realized that this is a very different thing. I will tell you how common you will be able to guess from this. When we did the story of the drug, there was another story related to the river Satlach. When we were going to do that, we stopped somewhere on the way. In the middle of the road from Bhatinda to Ludhiana. I had to rest at one place. We stopped We reached the shore while doing stretch and stretch.

There was a thermal plant and a water body lying there. I stood near it for 2 minutes and was talking to someone on the phone. I saw a young boy, he must be around 16 years old. I saw him injecting the syringe. I was on the call and I saw him doing this. He must be sitting there.

He saw me and he got scared and threw the syringe. He got up and left. I went to the garden and saw there was an injection. It is so common. We used to go from there. When we went ahead from there,

we must have traveled 20 kilometers. We had to take a bike at one place. We got down. When we got down, there was a noise. What happened? So, from below, there is a road going,

there is a bridge, people are bringing something from below, a boy, by lifting him like this, 10-12 people are holding him. Yes, he is intoxicated. I have experienced this in 1-1.5 hours. It is so common.

Now, if you ask this to responsible people, they will say, No, he is just exaggerating. What will we gain by exaggerating? We are showing you. Your own data is saying that people are dying due to drug overdose. Your own data is saying that in 2020-2021,

about 50,000 people in Punjab were HIV positive. In the data of 2024-25, 90,000 people were HIV positive. Now, the data of 30,000-40,000 people increased. We did not increase it. The ministry itself has issued it. It has just been announced in the Parliament.

The Ministry of Health and Family Welfare has announced that 32,000 people have been diagnosed with HIV positive in the coming years. And among them, HIV AIDS is increasing due. Yeah. So, one injection was used. There was no awareness. Five boys were sitting in a group. The second used the same.

The third used the same. Five people took drugs with the same injection. If one was HIV positive, then it increased to five. I can lie. You can lie.

The numbers you are issuing do not lie. So, it increased to 5. I can lie, you can lie, but the numbers you are issuing are not lying. When I reported, I said at the end, I did not mention any number in that report. In any investigation, you talk about numbers, without that it is incomplete.

I thought why I did not do it. I said because the numbers are meaningless. Ground reality is more dangerous than that, so how can I believe it? Are all the people dying of drug overdose, are they all registered for drug overdose? When it is denied right now that this is a delusion,

this is a lie, this is a conspiracy to defame, so if these numbers are more, then more problems will arise. But you were telling me about story that how these drug peddlers are increasing. How people are increasing the consumption of drugs so much. People call and say, let's do it in friendship, like social pressure. And then what?

That story got… They say, let's do it in friendship, like social pressure. And then what? That's very good. So, a friend said, do it. It's a good thing. You resisted 3-4 times, as we said. Now after that, a time will come when you are doing it with your 3 friends, 4 friends. You will also feel, let's do it.

Now you did it. So, if so many people are doing it, then something must be there in it. That's why people are doing it. In any addiction, there must be something because of which people get caught. You liked it.

Now you liked it, then you want more. Today a friend made it for free. Tomorrow a friend will make it for free. Five days a friend will it done for free. Tomorrow, my friend will get it done for free.

Five days, my friend will get it done for free. On the sixth day, he will say that one gram is worth 3500. One gram that is being sold in the market, I am talking about heroin, which is called Chitta.

A drug peddler told me that,

brother, it is difficult to get soil, it is easy to get drugs here. It is difficult to get soil, but it is easy to get drugs here. On the sixth day, he will say that this gram is coming for Rs. 3500. Now, money is not being spent on trees. The biggest problem of this is that we went to rehab centers. We talked to the doctors. What is it, why are people not able to quit?

It is so addictive that when the process of quitting you are given some drugs in that process because it is an accepted fact that you can't quit immediately it's not like I quit heroin by willpower you can't your body won't support you

in front of me, the addicts are crying, that I should tell you the story of one person. He told me that I used to play volleyball from school, zonal and state level. I got stuck in the mud. At this time, I am destroyed.

You are saying volleyball, I can't play for 15 minutes. It has such an impact on my body. I want You are saying that I can't play volleyball for 15 minutes. It has impacted my body so much. I want to quit but I can't. If you go to rehab centers, there are some who don't want to quit.

But not all of them. There are some who want to quit. It is very difficult for them. It's not that people don't quit. There are many people who have changed. They are encouraging other people.

Their stories should also come out. But to quit this, you have to work very hard. After 6 days, that boy's habit will be counted. What will happen to you? If you are an addict and you are not getting drugs, your body will feel cold.

But the addiction will start in 6-7 days. Yes But in 6-7 days, the addiction will start. Yes, in 7-8 days, the addiction will start.

You need it.

You need it. But why will a person get addicted? Exactly, that's where we are coming. Why will he get addicted? You asked how he is reaching. Now why did he get it done for 6 days for free?

Because on the seventh day, the one who will bring you, he will sell you. He is not your friend. He is a peddler. In this way, make everyone addicted in small pockets.

Make them addicted and take money from them. When there is no money left, then ultimately, he will also sell drugs. Now, the new guy will first take drugs from his friend.

He will say, brother, take 3500, give me, I want. The next day, he will say, take 3500, I want. After 10 days, the money is over. Now what? So now he will go to him, that brother, now I don't even have money left,

I have also got addicted, what should I do now? So he will be go to him and say that I don't have money left, I have a problem, what should I do now? So he will be given a sack and he will be told to trap another person. He will bring a new friend to him, who will be caught by the packet. The same modest operandi will be there. That on the first day, do it, it is very good. On the will say, do it, it's good. The second day, he will say, do it, it's good. The sixth day, he will say, it's over,

so one gram is worth 3500. It's worth 4000, and it will keep increasing. Now it will keep getting cut, and it will keep getting cut, and it will keep getting cut, and what do you think, it will stop here? A father handed over his son to the police.

Why?

He sold his shop for 2 crores. He used to sell utensils, he used to sell things. He sold all the fans. I have been to his house. That boy sold the shop's fan. His father called the police. He said, I am beggingading with you, please take him away from here.

I will get him arrested. A father and a mother got their son arrested from their house because they had no other option. He sold all his belongings in addiction. I talked to that father, his mother and that addict. I will show you the hand of that addict.

Maybe it is in this. This is the hand of that addict. Can you see anything in this? Can you see the marks? What are these marks for? These are the marks of the syringes.

You do this for a while with a foil.

Now, the intoxication with the foil will be normalized in a few days. What is the most dangerous thing about intoxication?

Javed Sir says that if you drink 2 pegs, then it is a study that you live longer than the one who doesn't drink and the one who drinks a lot. But the problem with intoxication is that it doesn't stop at 2 pegs. The problem with addiction is that when you inhale, you need more from the inhalation. Now what will you do with the extra? Earlier you were doing 2 grams, now you will do 8 grams.

But 8 grams is a lot of money. How will you bring 32,000 rupees daily? These addicts spent 8-10,000 rupees on drugs every day. How will they bring it? The child I am telling you about,

who sold his household goods, whose father himself got his child arrested by the police for his addiction, his father himself is such an influential man that he is working in Punjab himself with drugs. He is a social worker.

I am telling you about his son. Now, the next level starts after this. When you have done the thing of burning and inhaling drugs, increased its limit. But now you want more. First is syringe.

First is not syringe. First is that you take it, you apply a little water to it in a foil, you burn it and you inhale it.

Okay.

Okay.

Then after this, the next level is that you will increase its limit. You will increase the limit of doing this.

Okay.

Then, when this is not enough, you come to the syringe. Your elder brother will guide you. He will say, have you ever done this? Try this. This is fun. Now, most of these people get stuck at a young age.

They don't have an understanding. At home, they talk about how much they are addicted. How many parents explain to their children what to do and why not to do it. Everyone knows why not to do it. They never talk about it.

Now, the friend who is telling them, he is agreeing. Is it good? enjoying it more. He doesn't have money to increase it. He is an addict. There is no way to go back. So he gets a syringe. Now he will take the injection.

He will fill up with the injection. And after that he will inject it in his vein. It is so dangerous that when you inject it, you will not even know when you inject it,

you will not even know when you died. How intelligently it is being used. HIV is a part of it, that you are mixing it together. You don't even know how much limit it is. Now it has gone straight into your blood. Think how dangerous it is.

It will cool down your whole body. You will go and you will feel that you are in the phase where you are enjoying the addiction. You will find out that you are dead. Overdose and you will not find out anything. The one I am talking about, drug overdose. The highest figure is Punjab.

Now, slowly, with Punjab, it is increasing in the north, Himachal, Jammu, etc. Heroin. Yes. Is it? When the veins end here,

where else will we apply? After 1.2, it will end. So, as you can see in this photo, the veins get blocked. Yes, I mean, where else can you put it? You can put it to a limit. Now, when you have put it many times,

the veins will become very hard. You will not be able to go in them. You will not be able to put it. Then comes the turn of the next thing. That someone will guide you. He will say, you have not only in your hand, but in your hand, in this hand, in your leg, in everything.

As far as the nerves are visible. As far as the nerves are visible. Next comes the vein near your private part. Very sensitive.

Penis area.

Near the penis area. There is a vein there. In that vein, you inject. It is the most sensitive part of the body. When you inject in that vein, it is the extreme of consuming that drug.

In which there are the highest chances of death. When your veins get blocked, of hands, legs, then the vein near the private part are inserted into the vein. And the drug is taken from that vein. And they are taking it. It's not like we are telling you the wrong things.

It's happening. You can go to that report and listen to the on-record peddler. While telling that, we apply it. It doesn't cause death. It does. Who is it affecting? It is affecting his family.

Who else is it affecting?

It does. The deaths of drug overdose, which I am telling you about... It's affecting the family. It's affecting the rest. It's definitely affecting.

The deaths of drug overdose, When consumption is so high, where is the supply coming from? This is a very big question. I mean, there are two or three things that are said.

One is that it's coming from abroad. It's coming from Afghanistan. That golden triangle, Crescent, all these names are given. That this is Laos, Cambodia and this is one region. One is that it is the region of Afghanistan. But how is it reaching India?

From outside. Now, this answer will yeh jawab toh humari sarkaron ko dena hoga, humare zimmedaar logon ko dena hoga, ki seema paar se border cross karke yeh drug itna aa kaise raha hai. But agar aapne poocha questions peddler se ya kisi operates. Where do you get it from? Did you find any route? Do you know about anything? How does it come from Afghanistan? Is it like,

it comes in a packet smuggled? Like you know how you see it in movies, it comes in fishes. I don't know what's the... So basically, as much as there is understanding, there is an NDPS Act in our country,

which is an act on drugs. We see that the Narcotics Control Bureau, which is the NCP, they catch all this too. How many cases come? There are big drug lords, consignments are being caught. We have caught drugs worth thousands of crores.

It keeps happening. The understanding I have gained read the research papers, read the news articles, I talked to these peddlers, that one, drugs are being supplied by drones. Drugs are being supplied by drones?

Yes. Drugs are being sent through drones from the borders. But the border security forces won't take down the drone? There are many porous borders. Many borders are porous.

If you look at it, in many places of the country, the issue of drugs is so big that they are being created there. You must be knowing that in the Manipur conflict,

the angle that is constantly being talked about is also the angle of drugs. In Kuki Meitei, for the past 2 Mehtai, there has been a struggle for 2-3 years, from 2023 till now, the government was formed there. In that, this too is an accusation. I have been to Manipur, but it was so difficult to reach that terrain,

that I could not go and investigate it myself. I stayed there for a week, I did a story on it, but I could not cover this aspect. But it is said that the drug is being used in the hilly region. Opium is being cultivated there. Opium is being cultivated.

There are many cases there. The entire farm of opium is being destroyed by the Border Security Force. All this is happening there. So, it is not just an accusation. The entire fields are being destroyed. The entire field is not coming from outside.

And our border is porous. I mean, it is a fact that things come. Smuggling is a fact. It can be done less or more, it cannot be denied. And around the world, in every country. In every country. Now we have so many porous borders.

You see, the entire Bangladesh border is full of porous borders. If you look there too, our focus is on the borders of China and Pakistan. We are very strict there. Now, it comes through these borders. Now, if it is caught, then it is a very good thing. If it is not caught, then it spreads slowly.

It comes from an outside country, let's say Afghanistan. It will come here. After coming from here, it spreads to every street. And this system is so good, parallel, proper economy, that there are drug lords, houses made of drug money are being built in Punjab,

grand bungalows, bungalows are being built made of drug money. There is so much money. There is so much money that political willpower is repeatedly saying that we will end it. War against drugs. But we are not able to do it.

Because people are involved at every level. There is so much money. So much money has been thrown away that what is not being sold here? So, officials don't know that this is a human's house? Officials don't know that this is a peddler?

You, being a reporter from another city, from another state, you have reached here. Do they want to do it with an officer? So, they are not holding the peddler? Of course, somebody would want. Unki, har kisi ki state ke liye bhi toh kharab hai, log bhi toh parashaan hai.

Aap bol raha hai na, somebody. Somebody chahata hoga. Honge kuch. Baaki, mai yeh maan hi nahi sakta hu, ki jab mai bahut sakta hu, Every day, this news can come. Every day, you don't have to do anything right now. You tell your viewer to put on Google, drug in Punjab, drug in Himachal, drug in India.

I can't believe that this is happening without the help of the administration. How innocent I will sound if I say that no, there is no administration involved. There is no administration involved. How do they know little things from the police station? Local Intelligence Unit, Falani Intelligence, Dhimaki Intelligence,

we have such a big intelligence. There are checkpoints and police stations in every lane and neighborhood. How can we get drug trafficking? How can I be so naive that I say that drug trafficking will happen without any support? How common it is that people are doing drugs in public infrastructure and public places? This incident is very important.

When we went there, they took us to a government warehouse. It was a very old warehouse. People must have thrown garbage there. There is a government warehouse near it. It has a high roof of 20-25 feet. It was a tin roof. We enter there. It is dark. We enter there, it's dark, we enter there, as soon as I enter, the environment there was, this is the same visual, something like this, that here are the packages of syringes, used syringes, these are also all the same, this visual is the same, and this visual is the visual from there And I was not ready for this I can tell you this

that

You will see that I don't even have gloves in my hand I didn't know that I will go there The place where I am going right now I am going to get this I was shocked Government warehouse

In a government warehouse People are going there and doing drugs And there is a lot of money scattered People are going there and doing drugs and there are such scattered package of syringe, foil is used, so when you inhale, this is the thing of Bhatinda, when you inhale, you use a foil in it, the whole foil must have been at least 50 pages.

Because it was a den. A den of drug addicts. Now I have gone to a den, I have gone to a district, I have gone to a state. The thing is not only this.

The thing is that this is the story of every place. The scary thing is that if I had so much resource, so many contacts, and I could take the risk of this level, then I would have done it from other places. I would have told the youth not to do this.

The mother who has lost six children, neither I nor you can understand her pain, nor our administration, nor our Chief Minister or any minister can understand. No one can understand. How easy it is to score?

How easy it is for a new person, a random kid, to buy drugs, drugs, heroin, whatever you want to buy. So, how much time does it take for someone to find a new dealer and buy it? As a wise peddler said, it is difficult to find mud,, it is easy to get drugs.

You are saying that if a person goes to Punjab, to a major city, and randomly asks a shopkeeper where he can get drugs, he will get it.

He will get it.

When I did this, I got a lot of phone calls, messages, messages from unknown people. Now this report came, it was a big hit. It had a big impact and I will talk about report came, so there was a huge impact. And I will also talk about this, what impact it had. So, when there was a huge impact, many people sent messages.

One or two such people sent messages that I was addicted and I was addicted for many days, for many years. Then I left it. Thank you for doing this. When many such messages came, you are talking about Punjab, I received messages like, I will get you in Delhi,

in Rajasthan, in Rajasthan, in Madhya Pradesh, they are on second or third number in drug overdose deaths. MP?

Yes.

I was an MP.

They are on third or second number. So, it means the drug is reaching there too.

Heroin?

This is the data. Government data. I am saying again. Government data. And in government data these are the ones that have come as record. The deaths that were considered as overdoses of drugs.

There must have been some comp, there must have been some constraints which were accepted. Otherwise, yes, he died. The mother whose six children died, the mother, the victim, is saying that her six children died in drug overdose. But the government and administration that has been on its side has kept that its 5 children were alcoholics.

Now, how innocent can we be to believe this? How much money does a drug addict and a peddler make? How much money do you earn from this? To become a drug addict. Because I'm sure people are earning a lot of money and that's why they want to become a peddler. No, there is no money game.

It's just that if you become an addict, then you need drugs. That's why you are becoming a peddler. I will tell you the scariest story of this. I met a sex worker. Why did she join the sex work? Because she was a drug addict.

Meaning?

When I talked to her, she told me that when I started doing chitta, I used to arrange money somehow. I used to ask my family for money. I was doing a job. I used to get money somehow, I used to ask my family, I was doing a job, I used to get some money from there,

but when I got used to it, I didn't have money, my family made fun of me, that you are a drug addict, I have nothing to do with you, I stopped getting money from home,

what will you do now? So you are going, he has said this on camera. That brother, get me a drug. One day someone got it done. He has a lot of friendship in it.

There will be 4-5 people, they will say yes, yes, let's do it. Got it done for 2 days. On the third day, people told him that if you do wrong with me, then I will get it done. She told me that there are many girls like Mary who are forced to do sex work because he is a drug addict.

You won't believe, he has a 3 year old child. And in our conversation, I didn't know if she is married or not. So when I met her, we were talking and I was asking him how he came into this, how he started doing it, and then how he tried to quit drug addiction, what he did and what he didn't. Then I asked him a question, I asked him if he ever felt that the old personality that he had, the person that he was, would he ever be able to be like that again?

Do you want to be that again? So she said, yes, I am scared of what I am. I said, why? She said, I have a three-year-old son. He saw me peeing once. And he started shouting in the whole house, my mother pees, my mother pees.

When I heard that, I thought I have to come out of it. I don't know how I came out.

I am not able to come. She has a 3 year old son. She didn't do sex work. After drug. This addiction made her a sex worker.

It's not her choice. And her husband knows this? Husband knows? So what is her husband doing? What will he do? He is also an addict. How?

How are they tolerating each other? And she said that there are many girls like me who are doing this. So now she earns money from doing sex work, then she utilizes that money on drugs. So what's the solution now? It is increasing at this level. People are doing inoptional level. People are doing inappropriate things.

People are getting worried. It is going to an extreme. The first thing in the solution is acceptance. We and our authorities and responsible people will have to come out of denial mode. You can calm me down by saying that you are doing bad publicity.

I don't want to get anything by doing bad publicity. I have no intention. I don't have any intention of money. The video we have made, YouTube has demonetized it. We have not earned a single rupee from it. So what will be my intention?

Until we stay in this denial mode that everything is fine, we will not be able to work on that cause. First of all, we all have to accept this fact that yes, this is a problem. But can you fight? Do you think you can fight? If we are not willing, what can't we do? If we are, then lockdown is imposed. If the administration wants, if the authorities want, then what is not possible? We are in line, notes can be exchanged, some new law can be brought. Something like this should be brought, that people who are involved in this should tremble.

People are saying that the proceedings are being done on small peddlers. Isn't it that the proceedings investigations are being done on small peddlers. It's not that there are no investigations. Investigations are being done on small peddlers. Investigate a small fish. Break a small bungalow of it. News will be printed that this war is being fought very well against drugs.

And why are the big fish not able to do it? Big fish will remain.

Why? Because they have money.

They have money, power, connection. What don't they have? What is the solution to this? The solution is that we will have to work against it at every level. It will start with a junior level employee of a police station and will go to the highest level officials of the district. I will not take names.

When I did this report, I tried to find out the version of the police. I called the officer and said, Madam, I have come here, I am doing a drug story, I have done these things on this. The situation here is very bad. I wanted to meet you, I wanted to talk. So, I wanted to meet you, talk to you, and know your version. Whenever we do a story, we try to know the version of the administration or the authority.

So, he said, actually I am busy in a protocol. Our president is coming here. So, neither am I free nor am free nor my officer is free. So I said, we have to make a video. I am here for two more days. Then I will have to go.

He said, sorry, I can't meet you now. A reporter is coming and telling you what is the situation in your house. You are not meeting him. Why? Because your President is coming here after two days.

So, you check in the priority list where this problem comes from. When the report was published, I contacted him. In such reports, you are in danger from all sides. No one wants to cover it. But what did they say when they called? So, the best thing about this, that when you do such stories, the first thing you fear is that the government will immediately deny it.

They will send a notice and will trouble you that you do this, take down, or it is fake, or fake news, or whatever. Even the drug lord will say, remove it. Yes, it will come on everyone.

But in this, the Punjab government took action. Nice. They took action on this. Nice. They took action on this. I was very scared that we will get a notice, defamation, FIR, something like that. After doing such a big report,

we wait for a day or two, what will you do? While telling me, I am very happy and I want to tell this on record, that instead of taking any such action, a police officer and SHO of that police station were suspended.

The SHO of the specific police station was suspended. Many peddlers were arrested. I will send you the articles. Many peddlers were arrested. ADG Anti-Narcotics spoke to me on the phone for an hour to understand what happened, how it happened, what we can do.

In fact, they also said, can we work together? Is it possible that you can help us in that? What is your understanding? They tried to understand the issue. For me, it was a very new and very good experience that a journalist...

This is my job. My job is to show that there is a scar on your face. You should fix it. You tried to fix it. If this effort is carried out with full honesty, then today or tomorrow, it may be a little late in the morning,

but we will get a solution. Now, after this, the police station was suspended. There, it was investigated. There were arrests of many peddlers. And after this, the next phase started, in had a lot of threats.

What threats?

So, as I told you, no one wants this. Neither the administration wants such news to come out, nor the people involved want this. The people who are earning money. All are big people, I am nothing in front of them.

Then I started getting messages, calls.

I have also received messages from people, whose profiles I have visited, who are being tied up and taken away by the police. And those songs, those songs of King Don, their profiles are there, they are writing abuses, King, Don's songs are on the profiles. They are writing abuses. That you come, we will see you.

You have to do a lot. You have screwed us.

Because he got arrested.

Because he got arrested and his entire network. I mean, he got arrested, so he must not be doing it. So, the entire network. Dangerous, dangerous name accounts. No, they must be released after being arrested. they would not be doing it. The whole network, with dangerous names, accounts. They would have been arrested and released.

It was happening very fast. So, we will not leave it at that time. This was still nothing. Now, whenever we do a story, we have a local source. I am not from Punjab.

I get a call from our local source ka phone aata hai mere paas. Aaj published hui report. Naam nahi loonga kyunki unki safety pe baat aajayegi. Uske do din baad mere paas ek phone aata hai raat ko 9.30 baje. Ki bhai, main kisi tariqe I somehow managed to escape. There were 14-15 people behind me. They have been following me till now. And they are asking me to save them. I was very worried. I was like, what is this?

I am sitting somewhere else. I immediately called the police officers there. We had to file a written complaint. We had to file an FIR. We had to give an application. The police and police cooperated.

When I told them that this has happened, this is an incident, the police cooperated and assured me that nothing will happen, you don't have to worry, we will take care of their safety. But now imagine that 14-15 people who are involved with peddlers and their networks, they run behind you with sticks and sticks. You have to see the risk of this way too.

So, if you are doing real journalism, well, it is a very subjective thing, journalism that matters, let's say, so it has its own risks, that risk you may have to face from a defamation case, that risk can be faced by a notice, that risk can be faced by a FIR, that risk can be faced through a notice, it can be faced through a FIR, it can be faced by the Mafia, and it is a dangerous situation. And this is not a story, this is the reality in front of us.

A contractor killed a journalist, Muk body was found in a septic tank A dead body was found in a septic tank Are you scared? If I get scared, I won't be able to work Even then, you would be scared Who doesn't get scared?

You must be working while getting scared When I am talking to you and I'm talking to everyone, and I feel that a phase has left, will I be left behind again? They are big people,

they are powerful people. How can I not be afraid?

I'm not afraid of anyone.

We have to do more work, we won't be stuck in this. The biggest problem is that I have a lot of work. I have to do this, then I have to do another story. If something else happens somewhere, then I have to talk about that important topic. Someone will wait, someone will come to me, will reach, to come to him. Will he reach? To listen to me.

So if I will be stuck here, how will I reach there? You learn to process. And you learn to process. I think what we are doing is still a very small thing. The people around us. What do they...

I am getting a kick out of this work. Four people are talking, if we add more things together, even if they don't talk, I would still work. But what are they getting? Today, I am talking a lot about this, if my family sees this, they may not know,

because I have not talked to them about this in real. Otherwise, they will not let me do the next story. They will throw something emotional, they will do something. You know, mothers are mothers, fathers are fathers. How do they operate? So, they won't let me do the next work.

See, when you do... You do stories about drugs and while doing this, you get to know that peddlers have entered the system so much. Have you ever found out that peddlers maybe drug supply police, maybe army, maybe officials? So this incident happened in front of us. What? I was trying to understand the network, how the chitta is reaching to such a low level, I mean, to a street, to a neighborhood.

So, the peddler called a police officer in front of how long he wanted to take the message. He told me the scariest thing that he supplies in Cairns as well. Army Yard.

Yes.

I could not been able to investigate it, but if even 1% of it is true, then how scary it is. There is a report from a few months ago that an army soldier came home and died and he died of an overdose Now, he must not be doing it after coming home It's a simple thing If you want to understand, you will understand If he has reached the overdose, then he must be doing it

If he is doing it, then he must be coming from somewhere But, if there is a mode of denial about this too Then it is dangerous It should not happen. He called me in front of me. And I said at one place that now you will go to give them.

So he said, sir, we will not go to give, we will come to take. He was proud about the fact that we do not go to give. So I said, okay, the well won't go to the thirsty. The thirsty will come to the well. He said, absolutely right. And how do you think that all these uneducated people or people at a lower level who have a lot of problems in their life, they get stuck in this, Do you think across strata,

very educated, very rich, very excessive exposure people get stuck in this? There will be all kinds of people who get stuck. According to me, their chances of coming out will increase because of this. Because they have a little support.

Because it is not seen as a taboo. There is also a point to be kept in mind that if somebody is an addict around us, then what will you achieve by giving him with hatred? You are making it worse. You are making it worse. You have to understand that problem and move towards its solution.

So many rehab centers are opening. There are a lot of people who are are doing a good job in this direction. Some of them are addicts. When they stopped their addiction, now they are working for this cause. How to get people out of addiction. People are setting their example. So, they are at all levels. Maybe the quality changes. It can be that you are doing a cheap chitta. There is quality in this too.

There is quality according to the color. I also found out that this is white, this is brown, this is pink. So, in the same chitta, there will be three qualities. Its price is different. Now, because it is not regulated. They are making anything, mixing anything and giving poison.

It is going on. They are giving garbage. Nobody has any idea. It is going on. When it is not regulated, then no FSA is checking it. That this much is in this, this much is in this, this much is in this,

if you consume this much, so much protein is going. This is not happening. So, anything is being sold. Chemicals are being sold. Something is being mixed with synthetic drugs and sold as a peanut. People are consuming it.

People are dying. There is no point in dying. There is no point. The things in which authorities are involved, who is living there, who is dying, what is being eaten, this is not being decided. So, who is keeping the check balance of such things?

And Raj, you have to understand that who is being affected by this? Bro, society has already made him a drunkard. So, he has been made a drunkard. He has been ignored. He is not able to improve himself.

He does not want to improve himself. After reaching a certain level. And he does not have any mechanism to come back. A video of the day before yesterday is viral. When we are talking about this,

think how relevant it is. I have done a report a year ago. And I am talking about the day before yesterday. A video of Punjab is going viral. In which they keep people in a rehab center in security. They have to keep them tied up.

In rehab centers, they keep them in security, they have to be tied up. In rehab centers.

So, when

security lapsed there, everyone ran away. And they are knocking on the gate outside. A video has gone viral, it's from two days ago. Two days ago.

So,

that desire is so dangerous, that even knowing that this is there, in my neighborhood, I went to a village. There is a village in Punjab, its name is Beed Talab. In that village, almost in every house, drugs have their lives.

Every house has died because of drugs.

Every house. So how did I get trapped when I knew that my neighbor was dead? You got trapped, it's getting available, it's being sold, everyone in that village is seeing that yes, everyone knows who is selling and what is being sold. No one has the courage to fight. So they are that powerful. I am saying that if three people

were fighting, from every place where there is so much knowledge and so much is happening openly, if all three people from that village come out, then our society is not dead yet. They will come out.

But they are so powerful that you cannot fight them. In that village, Beed Talab, I met a mother. That mother had two children. The drug of both the boys killed killed by drugs. His daughter got married and his son-in-law was also killed by drugs. We were shooting and he had put a photo of his son-in-law and his son in front of us.

He had put a big frame. A young boy, 24 years old. He was 26 or 27 years old. I saw him and I said, this is the picture of my younger son. He said, the picture of my younger son was broken. I said, he must have a picture.

He took out a purse. He took out a picture from the purse. He kept it in my hand. He said, this was the one, this was the name of the person. And there was some 120 rupees in it. So she touched the note and kept it.

I said, this is the child's purse. She said, yes, I am touching it today. You just said it, so I remembered. There was 120 rupees in it. And she started crying. She was touching those notes.

She kept touching them. I couldn't understand what it was. But the thing is that the people who are earning money from this, the people who are earning money from this, the people who are earning power from this, for us, for you, for someone, it may be just numbers,

for someone it may be just a topic, it is not like that for everyone. It is not like that for Usma at all. And when I was talking, I was in their house, the elders surrounded me. Surrounded me, as in, not with a wrong intention.

They surround you, I mean, people come to the village, when you go, that, oh, media people, what is happening? So, there were five or six women there, who must be around 55-60 years old. So, I spoke to them first. So, they all said, yes, my son, yes, my son too.

And all this happened in a span of one year, two years, three years, six months. A father came and started showing his leg. He said that he had some problem with his leg. He said that he used to sell He said he had a son, so he used to sell medicines. Now that he is no more,

he cannot even treat his leg properly. I said, okay.

So,

I said in this conversation, what will you say in this? I said, yes, then you would remember more. He said, it comes every day. All these people Then you will remember more. He says, it comes daily. If the people who are responsible for this are not getting the message, if they are not getting the impact even after seeing this,

then I have nothing else to say. You know, one of the countries that has solved this very well in drugs is Portugal. Have you heard of it? I haven't seen it much. So, in Portugal, the problem of drug addiction was very high. At one time, the population...

I mean, from Punjab... They were at a very low stage. Their condition was very dangerous. Because it was extreme. Their condition was very bad. What they did was extreme. They decriminalized. They gave such incentives

that the drug addicts should be treated like the right people. Like citizens. And those who have come from rehab, if you give them a job, you don't have to pay tax.

I don't know, so many incentives were given so that the drug addicts can get back into society in such a way that they are normal people. And that's how they were able to reduce. And it was reduced. It was reduced a lot.

Just decriminalization. To make this thing acceptable that it's okay. It's not you are not different, you are not bad. you have strayed a little, come back, society is accepting you, you are not a criminal. And they did a lot on that, a lot of different things, a lot of schemes were run, incentives were taken out, that if you give them a job or do business with them, then the taxes are very low. The government took initiatives and made social structures for them. Rehabs were made so that they could participate in different activities. And then multiple things they did.

It's one of the best examples in the world. So, it is discussed. I mean, what you are saying, decriminalizing. It is discussed on decriminalizing. But in the Indian context, as amount of research I have been able to do, the people I have met, the experts I have met who are working in this field, they are

not in favor of decriminalizing. They believe that it will increase a lot. Because decriminalizing such things is only right where you have brought the society to this level, mentally and according to the structure, that you can bear the things that will happen after this. So, experts suggest this in the Indian context. You are talking about Portugal, it will be possible, they believe that doing this here will make the problem worse.

But some way can be found out in between. But the addict should not be called a criminal. If he does some criminal activity, then it is a problem. This is the first thing to be added. We may have talked about this in the beginning. We are seeing this as a bad thing.

We should stop seeing this. This will start with the family. First of all, show your parents' trust in your child. That I am with you. We did a podcast on this with Anirudh Kala sir. He is an addiction expert from Punjab.

He runs a hospital for de-addiction. He is really deep into this. He works on different addictions. On alcohol and many other things. We had a conversation with him on how to get out of addiction. How did he test?

There are many different structures. It's a 2-3 hour conversation where he is trying to explain. And the main issue was that every person is addicted for a different thing.

True.

So when you don't see everyone as a criminal, then why do you see this drug addict as a criminal? Make him a part of your society and let's build a structure where you can bring him back slowly. And you will have to understand if you want to bring him back. That's right. Yes, I mean, by doing it separately, it is not going to be solved at all.

If there can be a few percent change in it, there is hope for it. And why not? If there are some examples in front of us, who have left, then it means that they can be left. So, why not encourage them? Why not encourage them? Then they can be left.

Yes, it is difficult, challenging, a problem. This is there. And another step is, we should figure out some way that new kids don't join. That is, a pipeline will be cut there. Now you have talked about kids. So, I had asked the peddlers, I talked to them, at what age do people do this?

So, I was told that it starts from 13 years.

A 13-year-old child... I was thinking 16, 15, 16 years, you reduced it by 3 years. A 13-year-old child is doing truck. So, I asked, do you sell them? He said, no, no, I don't sell them. I said, they are the ones who follow the rules. He said, yes, I don't sell kids.

I said, my rule is that I don't sell kids. I said, okay. He said, kids are sold to children.

That child must be coming from somewhere. There will be no other principles. Children are sold to children.

So this means that it is going to the children.

No, because school, school friends and he must also need it. I think the same chain must be there in children. That someone did it, now he needs it, there is no money, so he will sell and earn more. And what is happening in the elders, the same chain is there in the children. It must be happening in a bad way. The elders still have a sense, comparatively. Their mind is a little bit more sharp.

They have seen the world a little more. They have a little more understanding. The kids don't have it at all.

This should reach every child.

So that…

Don't do it. So that they can see what the end is before taking a decision. Don't do it at all. End of dreams, end of life, end of emotions, end of family, end of money, end of health, end of almost everything, drugs like, drugs is equal to death and then how is, I'm just worried that when so many cases have reached, so many cases have happened, so much conversation has happened,

this thing is known everywhere. Some people are taking lightly, some people are taking seriously. So, the 13-14 year old kid, 15 year old kid, who wants to enter this for the first time, whose friend wants to spread some social influence, peer pressure and give him drugs,

how did he come in this for the first time? What's the motivation for that kid to... Because something is going wrong. Or he must be looking for some excitement. Something must be going on that he will tilt towards this. I'm sure this conversation must have spread in that house,

in that city that drugs should not be used. Here, drugs lead to death of this person, and death of that person. This is a problem. How is it entering for the first time? So, to understand this, if we go to the basic drugs, then when cigarette people started smoking in schools,

why did they do it? Because the child had to grow up. The child has to grow up. Now, in our society, the mind is not treated for growing up. The grown-ups get high. Now I am growing up.

Now I have come from primary to senior wing. Now I will growing up. I've come from primary to senior wing. I'll write boards now. I'm coaching a foundation course now. I've grown up now. How will I be different from the rest? The cool kids used to do some cool stuff.

So one thing is being done to the addiction, right? Now there are two sides to this. That no, no, pop culture doesn't do anything. No, no, all this is nonsense. Making songs doesn't make pop. But this is wrong.

It happens.

Small children do it. I'm talking about pop culture, movies, gun culture and all of this should not affect a 20 year old. I am so liberal that I want to believe this. That yes, it is right, you have grown up, now it is being made, let it be. It's entertainment. But if you start getting into music, pop culture, and become cool, then don't expect a 15, 14, 13 year old kid

to be so intelligent. Everyone has a phone. After COVID, small children have their phones in their hands because of online classes, because of ignorance, whatever it is.

The content that is reaching you, the same content is reaching him. You can process that content. Can a 13 year old child do it? So here, your argument is failing. That, songs are argument is failing. That nothing is happening with songs.

Your star creators, singers, are making songs on it. It is shown as cool in movies. So, I don't want to talk about these big things that they have social responsibility and should do this. I know it won't happen. I am not doing it. But,

when the reason for this promotion is being counted, then I am not leaving you. I want to include you in it. You join it. Then you can present your clarification.

You have the right to do so.

You can present your clarification that his parents have a problem in upbringing. There is a problem in raising him? There is a problem. How many people in our Indian society know how to parent? The child does not know how to raise or raise.

Or there are shortcomings in it. Now, no one wants to talk about them. So if we normalize all these things, talk to the kids, sit with them, if we slowly explain to the 13-14 year old kid what is right and what is wrong,

we slowly told our kids good touch, bad touch, normalized it, the kids started to understand comparatively. If they look around them, now this thing has become normalized. Earlier, we were ashamed of these things too.

We were not taught. I don't know if you were told or your parents told you. No, no. Parents are talking to their children these days. True. So, if we can change this,

then how can we hide the fact that the whole world is doing drugs, and parents don't believe that their child will not do drugs.

You can see it in the world, you can see it in your neighborhood. that my child will not do drugs.

You see this in the world, you see this in your neighborhood. You don't want to have this conversation because it is awkward for you. So we have to normalize this from home. And if you don't do all this, then this list of people

who die from drug overdose, or people who are involved in this, or the people who are infected with HIV, it will keep increasing, it will not decrease, until we normalize it and accept it. And because of all these reasons, your question reaches the children.

When I was a child, if someone asked me what I wanted to do,

I used to say that I wanted to become a pilot, an someone asked me what I wanted to do,

I would say I wanted to be a pilot, an engineer, and this and that. But I wanted to grow up inside. Because the older people were doing a lot of good. Riding a bike fast. The older people were riding bikes fast.

The older people had a lover. The older people didn't have to ask their family when they had to go and when they had to come. The older people smoked. I didn't have to go and ask my family. The elders used to smoke. They were visible, smoking outside. He came on a bike as a hunk and smoked.

It was all cool.

So, when you... And today, there is more availability of everything. The pocket money of children has increased. Small children are also earning something. In our time, the economy was not on this. A 12-13 year old kid is generating something from AI,

making some content, doing this, doing YouTube, he is learning. So, the benefits of this are there, of course. But the losses of this will also reach you. So, if we want to avoid those losses, we will have to talk about it.

And we have to take positive actions on it. If we have to assume this, we will assume from the parents that even if the boy of the neighbor's uncle drinks, my child cannot smoke. Brother, he drinks. You don't know, he drinks. You know, talking, because, I was watching the news for a few days and I wanted to know

that there was a controversy about missing kids and it was said that it is PR for the movie, police is saying it is not, there are records that every year in thousands, lakhs of children disappear. Is that true? What is that entire controversy and what is true, what is false? So basically, I will tell you from the very beginning. I have followed this. I am also reporting on this. This case starts with media reports that between 1st January to 15th January, 807 people went missing from Delhi.

Which is 54 people each day. 54 people are going missing from Delhi every day. This news came initially. Now it was buzzed. 54 people are going missing. When it became a big deal, the PRs of the police, Sanjay Tyagi ji, came and gave a clarification. No, no, this is usual. This is being exaggerated and told. This is usual data and we will take legal action against those who are spreading delusions.

Do not spread such delusions. So, did anyone question the data of 54? They did not come and tell the data. No, no, it is not 54, it was 10. They said that there was no increase. Meaning 54 is normal.

So, 54 is normal, which is more problematic in my opinion. The earth was eaten, the sky was blown away.

Where did they go?

The people who were going to be traced. Now, there is a zipnet portal. A good thing has happened. Zonal Integrated Police Network, Zipnet, has a portal. It is publicly available. You can also check. Anyone can check.

On the portal of Zipnet, it is publicly available, you can also check it, anyone can check it. On the portal of Zipnet, some 5-7 states' police have made a system together, in which when they register an FIR, within 24 hours, they make it available on the portal of Zipnet, that this is the profile, this is the age, it has disappeared from here, it has disappeared on this date. Okay.

Anyone.

Isn't there only missing child in the zipnet? Not child, missing person. Only missing person, nothing else?

Person.

Now, there is more. You have a missing phone on the zipnet. Is the zipnet made for missing?

Yes.

Almost for every FIR. You can say that it is for missing. Not for every FIR? No, not for every FIR. So basically, I believe that to track missing, So basically, I believe that it should be easy for the police of another state

to track the missing person. Fair. That's why it was done. I didn't talk to anyone about this, but it became my understanding. So, it also has UP, Haryana, Punjab, Uttar Pradesh,

Delhi, all these states. Now I checked the data. The data is available. You can check it by applying filters. So many things happened. One party, see what happened in this.

One party said that, oh, God, what happened because of that, fear-mongering happened. Rumors started spreading. What happens with rumors? That brother, you will catch someone,

you will be suspected, you will say that he was a kidnapper, you will start beating him, all these things will start. So, it is the police's job to prevent such situations in any society. They came and tried to maintain it. But they also did not challenge the data, which is still missing 54 people.

Now when we check that, we find that every year, about 1100 to 1300 people, not 800, in 2024, 2025 and 2026. I have taken the data from those days. From 1st January to 15th January. We did not check anything else. We checked the data about which the whole controversy happened.

That too, we have to check from the website of the Delhi Police. Okay, from the zip net. When we checked it, if we add both traced and untraced, some people get it from it, some don't. So if we add traced and untraced people,

then this 3-year data was between 1100 and 1200.

3 years.

This means that there is no significant improvement in this, which the police is saying is correct. But the number of untraced people was around 600 in 2024. I am saying around because I don't remember the exact data. It was around the same in 2025.

And in 2026, there are 900 something, which is more than 800. So, the data of 800, about which the media reports were being published, I don't know where it came from, it was written as police data.

But when you see the data of ZipNet, it is approximately 953. So, this is more than 807. This is more than the last years which are untraced. So, where did these people gone?

Now, if every day, 60 people are going missing from your capital, is this normal? Where have these people gone? These people can be a threat to me, for you, for the police. They were someone's people. In fact, Raj, if someone dies,

it is still easier to accept them as family. If someone disappears, there is still hope that they will be found. They will come back tomorrow or the day after. If someone disappears, there is a fear of what will happen to it. It has minors, it has women, it has elders. So, the data is saying the same.

If it becomes normal in society, then by becoming normal, the problem is not getting solved.

So where did they go?

And we all know what happens to people who have disappeared. What happens to people who have disappeared? It's not like people disappear from here.

A 13-15 year old girl from Delhi disappears It's not like people disappear from here.

A 13-15 year old girl from Delhi disappears and goes to the Himalayas to do penance. It's not such an innocent world.

Child trafficking.

Child trafficking is happening. Bonded labourer is being made to work. Sex trafficking is happening. Everything is happening. Slavery, scam slavery.

Small children are made to work as gang members. Sex trafficking is happening, everything is happening. Slavery, scam slavery and...

Small children are made to work as gangsters. These children work in big brothels. No one knows this. This is how it is going. Now, no network is found in this. The police are saying that whatever we have investigated so far, they said two things in public when the rumor started spreading that we will conduct legal proceedings on this,

whoever spreads such fake news, fake news and secondly, there is no group involved in this. Meaning? Meaning, no trafficking gang group involved in this. What do you mean? I mean, there is no trafficking gang involved. Okay.

Right?

We have not caught any such network.

Hmm.

So,

it is possible that these things are running on a small level. But that does not mean that they are not running. It does not mean that they are not running. It does not mean that the data is wrong. Now what happened? Where did the problem come in this? The problem came that when such a thing happens, then sensationalization happens in the content.

Fake news is such a big problem of today's time. Fake news is killing people. That he got that meat at his house, now the rumor spread, killed someone. Fake news that this kid is a thief, someone was caught, people went and killed him. This fight of fake news, everyone is fighting, they should fight. These platforms are fighting on their own and everyone is doing it.

But the panic that was created because of this, it was that it was circulated in schools that children are being kidnapped, people started saying that children should not be allowed to leave the house at night. All this happened on that data which is not wrong. So what is wrong? If the data of 54 people can be used to spread awareness, awareness, fear, then that data is not being challenged.

That data is being told by your website, it is publicly available, it is being run with the public money. I have talked about it in the crime branch, that what is the use of this website? They said that everything is put in it one day. I have checked everything

that website is also running very wrong it is worse than IRCTC it is a bad website, it keeps spinning, in that I got worried to track the data, I was spending the whole day, what is the truth of this?

Then it was said that it is being done for the promotion of a movie. Who said, I don't know. The people who were saying that so many people are dying, so many people are missing, the people who spread the news that so many people are missing, they didn't take this name.

They just said that they are missing. Who said that this is a movie promotion? Someone else said it, who wasn't saying this. Who do you think said it? I don't want to say. I have seen many people say this.

One thing is that there is no check in the content. Everyone can make phone content. And that is good at many times, but at many times it is bad too. So, the fear that developed in it, but the point of fear in this is that

the numbers of fear are the same. Those numbers have not been challenged. So if that fear is at that level, then that fear is justified. And it happened on the basis of truth. So we are saying that if there is truth in this data, then at least, first of all, the whole country should be safe. But we will keep some places safe. We are talking about big things, celebrating freedom, we are talking about a developed India.

If we don't feel safe while walking on the civil road, then this question arises at least. You should have given a proper answer on this. If we are told that why the problem is increasing, how to be alert, how to end it, what can be taken care of, then perhaps the approach would have been better. So, at the level of data, things are there, it has not been destroyed. And that is very scary.

I am talking about these 15 days. And I am talking about these 15 days from the police data. Which is more than 807. Which is more than 54. This is why there is a big uproar. So, when you add the the untraced people,

it becomes 1200. Almost 90 people have been found in these 15 days. Something was found. 300 people have been found. So, what happens is, suppose,

a while ago, my friend, his brother, left home and went away. He was not found. So, that also happens in missing. So, there are some who left in anger. They came back in 2-4 days.

It happens like that. So, I don't know how many are there who came back.

Because...

The state is terrible right now. Of fake news versus real news and just people who are being made and made content on content and blame anyone without even asking a question to the authorities. That's a bigger problem. Hmm. There is news, people are fighting for and against it. But no one is talking about the main issue. No one is questioning the authorities.

Sir, more than 54 people are disappearing. So, what do you say about that? I called Sanjay ji twice.

Hmm.

I didn't answer. I messaged him, but he didn't answer. We are small reporters, how can we talk to him? Earlier we were told that someone is coming, so we are busy with that. Once I went to a story regarding story, that was also an investigation. There was a lot of digital arrest going on. I had done a ground report on cyber fraud.

So, when I did that, after that I went to take a bite from the SP. As I told you, you have to take a version. The most annoying part of my work is talking to the administration. I don't talk to the administration. The administration is very big. The authority is very big. It is bigger than a reporter or a common man. aadmi se bahut bada hota hai. Wo agar ek sadak chalta aadmi gir jata hai, usko utha deta hai na, to uski reel ban jati

hai.

Ki, arrey inhone madad ki, phalane sahab ne. To wo log nahi baat karte hai. Jab tak ki aap unke matlab ki baat na kar raha hai. They must be doing it. They talk to many people, officials, journalists. They have good friendships. Not with me. So, I went to them.

I needed a bite for this. So, first of all, where will I go? I am doing cybercrime. So, I went to the cybercrime station. I went to the station. I said I had to meet the SHO.

So, I found out that the SHO has gone to the Ghasht. And if you want to talk about it, you talk to the SP. You have to go to the SP office. I said, okay. How is the crime increasing? What network are you watching? What are you doing? I had to ask all this.

I went to the SP office. There is a SP fort in the SP office. There are 5-7 soldiers outside who have weapons. I ask them that I wanted to meet you. I am a journalist. I give my introduction. I get a message inside.

My phone is deposited. I don't know, I have a protocol with journalists that if you want to meet an SP, you have to deposit your phone. I don't know what sting I would have caused. They said, no, you have to deposit it.

I said, okay, brother. Sir is a smart guy, as soon as he goes. I went inside. So, what he said, I mean, we didn't have a phone, I am telling you, so if you want to believe, then believe it. He said, sir, where are you? I am worried about the stories of cyber viper. I was just leaving a Dhaba, people are watching films of Mithun.

So I said, no problem sir, the viewers are watching that too. The viewers are watching this too. It is our job to do this. I told them, I said, sir, the job of the lamp is to burn, the job of the air is to extinguish. I do my job, they do my work. He said, I don't have much knowledge about this, but I have put my additional SP in it, you can talk to him.

I said, okay. He sent his PS to go and talk to him. So he came to his office, he was not there either.

I said, okay.

So he called him. He said, I have left. The additional SP said, I have left. The Additional SP said, I have left. You do one thing, I will call the Cyber Police Station. So, you can talk to the SHO in the Cyber Police Station. So, I said, Sir, I am coming from there.

The SHO was on a gashat. He said, no, no, I will tell him. I said, okay. I reached the police station. The SHO called someone else in the police station. The SHO called someone else. Ultimately, it was a SI, who was told to go. The police station I had started from,

I came back there. I didn't even meet the SHO. Why would I talk to a reporter? What am I? So, an SI spoke to me. Who was probably not the best person to talk about this.

So, I have kept him on the spot. We have done that report. But at such times, we realize what we are for them. And when we, who have the power of the camera, the power of some viewers, the power of the mic, when we have the mic ID, we feel very strong.

But the administration and authorities don't understand anything. When they don't understand anything, they don't want to meet us. So how can a common citizen of a country meet us?

How do we treat him? You can guess. Now, people don't want to talk about these things. Many people will feel bad. Many people will be offended by this. But the fact is that until you are not comfortable with these things,

you are also a capable person. I am also a capable person. You are doing something, I am also doing something.

Our paths are different. I am a capable person. You are doing something, I am also doing something.

Our paths are different. In India, by coincidence, bureaucrats have started getting a lot of respect.

Okay.

You are not a milkman. Corruption is the biggest. All things are happening in this country on your behalf. Even after that, if you will live in this ego, then you need to think about it.

True.

And if you really go to all the channels of ethics, where UPSC interviews are shown, then you will see that there are so many ethical things. Who is talking about ethics? Where are the ethics talks happening? There are a lot of people who are doing it.

There are very few.

There are not many.

This is the problem, Raj. There are a lot of people who are doing it. There are very few. There are not many. This is the problem, Raj.

There are not many. You would have gone to the police station 10 years ago. And today you will go to the police station. A lot of things have changed. This is a very subjective matter. I am not saying that there is no need for change in our system.

There are no bad people in our system. We still have everything. And we should change as fast as we can. And today, in the world of 2026, where we talk about becoming a world power, we are nowhere compared to that. I agree with all of that.

I'm saying, the situation in 2016 is a million times better than in 2026. At least a hundred times better. I mean, I don't have any data proof for this. I am just telling you my personal experience. You have been doing this for so many years, you must know that the story of 5 or 10 years ago is completely changed today. Even if you believe that this change has not reached small villages, but it is changing cities.

There are few good people who are changing things. I am just saying, I agree with everything that you are saying. I am saying, we should appreciate the good people who are working. Yes, we should. But the thing is, you did a great job. You said, it was normal. We were just talking.

So, it is normal. Yes, it is normal. We have seen such bad work, that people who do normal work are here, so we are feeling good. It is possible, but I am saying that

if a normal person who is walking on the road, is doing corruption, he is not making an impact., if he is doing corruption, he is not making an impact. If an official is doing corruption,

he is making a very bad impact on society. As long as he is doing good things openly, good things are happening about him. Wherever he wants, he gets interviews done. He does a small job, he does a PC, keeping 50 mic IDs in front of him.

He does a small job. When a Task petition is held, a petition with 200 kilos, then a big press conference is held. All the officials are standing here. It is held everywhere.

But they don't have this one thing. People are walking. Who is here to say that our officials are corrupt? They don't have the courage to come and trouble us. True.

Every person has the advantage. The benefit that I will get from coming here and praising four officials, that will not be in badmouthing anyone. One IPS officer told me on the podcast, she said a very good thing. She said that there are a lot of police officers

and a lot of administrating officers who do press conferences and make news that we caught this, we did this, we did that. It means that there is no value for all of this. I was like, why? And he said that a good police administration is the one where there is no news. And I was like, what does it mean? whether you get caught or not, both have your bad side. He's like, that terror should be there, that system should be strong,

that you should not be able to come inside. And then your state is better, then your city is better. I was like, wow! Very noble thought, but it's true. There are people like Ashok Khemka, who officer who does his work with a lot of honesty. He has to face a lot of transfers. There are a lot of people like that.

There are a lot of people like that. We talk a lot about them. So, we know about them. But your point is good. I like that. We are talking about the same thing at the end of the podcast.

It is a very good point. There are a lot of people who talk good. Your job as a journalist, as an investigative journalist, is to make sure that the roads are being built. We have to count the pits in the roads so that they don't get built. That I sort of agree with. Our motive and yours is on the same page.

We also want our country to grow. We also want our country to grow. We also want our country's per capita income to increase, our country's GDP to increase, we should get investments here. When we go to another country, we should be seen with respect.

Our number has come up in the passport index, we have come up in the press freedom index, there should be happiness everywhere. This is my goal, this is probably the goal of our country's leaders, and this is the goal of the officials. So we are on the same page.

Our duties are different. So if everyone starts telling that this road is being built so much, then some of them will have to do this work. What is the quality of this road, how many pits are there, how many accidents are there, how many people are dying in it, how many people are dying, how many are surviving, how much money are they getting, how many fake tolls are there, everything. And this work is risky.

There are very few perks to doing this work. But someone has to do it. So, there are some people who are doing it. There are a lot of people who are doing it. This kind of work, especially those whom I don't know, whom you may not know, whom our viewers may not know,

those people are doing journalism while staying on the ground. I want to encourage and encourage all those people from your platform who are unrecognized. There is a poem, Isthaniyata ke Sangharsh, whose motive is that it is easy to criticize the Prime Minister, but it is a little difficult. There is a risk in criticizing the MLA, but there is a margin in criticizing the PM.

You can criticize a big shot, but the journalist who is very close to us, who is doing journalism in a small village in a small district of Banda on the ground, he will not have such good backing, nor will he have many people to watch, nor will he have anyone to encourage him, yet if he is doing this work, if he is fighting the sand mafia, if he is fighting the traffickers. He is fighting corruption with his own contractor. He is doing a lot of hard work.

He is doing a lot of hard work. He is doing a lot of hard work. We are not doing anything.

True.

So, a lot of people are doing this kind of work. A lot of people are doing good work. This is why all this is going on. This is why you and I are able to come here and talk. That is why our viewers are able to see there. The more good work is done, the less it is.

True.

Good work is like a drug. We feel that more should be done. Absolutely. So, this is my hope that yes, after all this, the conversation we have had that people will understand what we have discussed and do something positive. I have done half of your work.

I have shown that there are problems here. A journalist has reached a remote village by spending his resources. He has told that there is no electricity here, the health infrastructure is bad. You want to improve? I want to improve too.

I saved your research by going there. You would have sent your officials, then we would have got to know, then a report would have been made. I made a report and gave it to you. Now, your work starts from here.

My work is done. You don't give me credit. You don't tell me that we have done this on someone's report. Don't tell me. You do that work. And nothing can be better for a reporter than this. That there is an impact.

Absolutely.

Well, thank you so much, sir. Thank you. It was a pleasure hosting you. I'll see you soon again on more realities of country. We'll talk about more different cases and realities

so that we can make people aware of more things so that it has an impact. Thank you. Thank you so much. It was a pleasure talking to you. Thank you.

Hi, how are you? Nice to see you.

Welcome to the first class.

A lot of people are insecure. How will you live, friend? If you become insecure, you won't give them a chance. How will you progress? So, you are a player in this game. You are a natural.

Natural is a very good word. It's your own color. The way I speak,

I don't speak like that.

The words I have, others may not have them. Where I should say a poem, or a story, or a story,

or a date, do all people say it like that?

Everyone has their own style. Yes, it's possible that you have a day. If you keep going on like that, then one day you'll grow up. It's possible that some people take 5 years, some people take 5 months,

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