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There are few things in life that become sacred. Pregnancy is one of them. Many women claim to witness things that have no explanation. It's as if something or a third eye opens to be present at these events. Others claim to see the dead walking. People who should no longer be in this plane anymore.

Even other women assure to feel the stalking of witches or also the theme of the elves that become present when a child arrives to this world. Tonight we are going to try to understand what happens when a woman is pregnant and why so many spirits come to meet even in their own home?

Welcome How are you family?

Welcome to one more episode of Extra Normal Podcast. My name is Paco Arias and I'm happy to be here again with you in this episode. Family, we have a new topic for you. A topic that many people have been asking us. What happens when a pregnant woman starts to live paranormal things that have no explanation? Pregnancy becomes quite hostile

and then certain things start to appear both in the body and in your reality. Tonight we are going to talk about macabre pregnancy stories. And to talk about this topic I am accompanied by a person for the second time Macabras embarazadas. Y para hablar de este tema, me acompaño una persona por segunda vez que debo decir que nos ha dado uno de los episodios

donde más miedo nos dio, tanto a nosotros como a producción, como a las personas detrás de la pantalla. Una persona que vivió una de las experiencias paranormales más fuertes que se han contado en este canal y que hoy desde Chicago nos acompaña nuevamente nuestra querida amiga, Vanessa, ¿cómo estás? that have been told on this channel and that today from Chicago is joining us again

our dear friend Vanessa. How are you?

Thank you very much Paco, very well. Thank you for the invitation. Happy to see you again. It's been almost two years.

Two years. Hey, I want to give the context to all the people because you Vanessa, I'm going to take the liberty very quickly, you probably already know her story.

She had a very strong story with Ouija, which involved strong paranormal themes, demonic possession, manifestation of spirits. A tremendous thing that when she tells it for the first time, in this studio, when we had the cross wall, amazing things happened. In fact, I was telling what I lived with you in other podcasts. For the people who are meeting you for the first time, pasaron cosas asombrosas que de hecho yo estuve contando lo que viví contigo en otros podcast. Para la gente que te está conociendo por primera vez por favor Vanessa me gustaría que te presentes, quién eres, a qué te dedicas y tus

proyectos. Bueno mira, soy Vanessa, Vanessa González, mi canal Puerta Paranormal por Vane y bueno, empecé, todo esto empieza cuando te vengo a visitar, cuento Well, I started... All this starts when I come to visit you. I tell the story of Jota.

Can we say his name now?

Yes, I think we can say it now. I played with the Ouija board, I connected with an entity called Judy. Wait... And well, then I connect with her, I tell my story, my story goes viral, you contact me, well contact me, your production, I come here, and that's when it all starts.

It all starts to take shape. I start creating content, telling stories, which by the way, for those who don't know, I came here as a guest, who uploaded a story, but when we finished recording, I remember that I told Paco that I want to dedicate myself to this world of the paranormal, and Paco very kindly took the time to help

me open my YouTube channel. So, Paco, thank you very much for that. I thank you very much. You are the godfather.

Hey, everyone, and I'm going to tell you everything, I'm going to do this very well. I have been a godfather indirectly of many people indirectly. And the people who are listening to this podcast know it. And I feel good, I feel proud, I feel happy. Because they have found in me a support. And in what I can help, you know it perfectly.

There is my contact and whatever. There we are.

Yes, thank you very much. I really appreciate it, because honestly, you didn't have the need to sit with me. And well, you did, and here we are.

Thank you very much, Vane. Let's see, let's say something important. The stories we bring tonight are strong stories, because the simple fact of talking about a pregnant woman, well, it involves us with very sensitive issues that the same algorithm can censor. That's the word.

So, the stories are strong, the ones we're going to be telling tonight. Please, no children present. We're going to ask for that. And the stories we're going to leave for our website, if they're already strong, the ones that will be on the website are twice as strong. So please, family, if you would like to hear that

also on our website, we'll be waiting for you there. www.podcastextranormal.com.mx See you there. Vanessa, what do you think of women who start living paranormal things as a result of their pregnancy.

What is your perception of all this?

I always feel that when a person starts feeling things that are not going quite well, it's because maybe, in most cases, it's because they're living, at some point, a type of work, witchcraft, it is said, because I have heard cases of women who have gone to pregnant pantheons

and when they return to their homes over time, they begin to have symptoms that things are not going well, they start to have sudden shivers, they start to have strange sensations. I've even heard of cases where women have been exposed to people who are dedicated to the dark world. And as a result of this, because they've had a problem with them, these people take off their clothes in the woman's womb so that she can pay for all the supposedly damage they've caused. So it's a form of revenge. to pay for all the damage they have caused.

So it's a form of revenge. I feel like all of this comes from witchcraft or some other position. I don't know if people are in charge of doing dark things or they get involved with it. And it's really a fee or bill they are being charged.

There are many reasons. a quota of factura que les estan cobrando. is a little bit simpler than we think. What is pregnancy? The creation of life itself. And that always attracts what is no longer alive. Let's interpret this. Pregnancy is the creation of life and attracts the dead.

I don't want to scare you, but why does a pregnant woman become more sensitive? Why does a woman who is in her first weeks of pregnancy or is already in her last weeks, her perception of spirits intensifies a lot? They start to see shadows, visions, they start to smell very foreign aromas to their home, because every house has an aroma, and they say, They start to see shadows, visions, they start to smell aromas very alien to their home,

because every house has an aroma. And they say, this aroma is not from my house, it is not from a dead animal, it is different. They start to hear clairvoyance, clairvoyance. In other words, all the clairs start to appear in these women, and it is very simple,

because the woman is at a point where the veil between life and death is totally there. The tent is there, why? Because life is being created. And believe it or not, there is also a risk in the woman for being creating life.

Well, she's losing, well, she's not losing, she's feeding a life, but she's losing certain things from her body, right? So that's why all these spiritual changes happen and the woman begins to live all this. And even more, more, if the baby comes with a strong gift. Imagine how powerful. What do you think about that, Vanessa? Si el bebe viene con un don fuerte. Imagínate qué poderosísimo.

¿Qué opinas de eso, Vanessa?

Sí, fíjate que cuando... Es extraño porque de las historias que me han enviado, hubo una que justamente hablaba de eso. Habla de una chica que viene de papás que son brujos. Los embarazos, ella tiene dos, tres hermanos, fueron normales. She comes from a family of witches. She has two or three siblings. It was normal with her.

Her pregnancy was horrible. She would see things, she would get up and walk around, she would talk, she would talk to her belly. She would say things that didn't make sense. Her mother was very sensitive to her. When she was born, a few years later,

she began to see that her daughter has a gift. So, believe me, in the state of a woman when she's pregnant, is when all the senses become super active and put their maximum strength. And that's where you can perceive the accessibility of the good and the bad, what you can bring, what you can block. de lo bueno, lo malo, lo que puedes traer, lo que puedes bloquear. Es algo que yo lo he visto y me han contado, sobre todo esta chica, y bueno, esta chica, si en algún momento la llegas a conocer,

es demasiado fuerte con sus sentidos en cuestión de poderes y dones. Así que sí creo que eso por ahí puede haber.

Si me permites, Vanessa, I want to tell you a story. Look, we name and title each story, depending on what we want to be told. We have named this story, Desired Pregnancy. It's an anonymous story shared by a girl, and we changed her name to make more sense to the story. We decided to name them Amalia and Rubén. A couple that had been married for about five years

and had no children. They say that at first, well, for them it was interesting to be able to enjoy their marriage freely, without having any pending, right? So they were together all this time, without taking care of each other, and the blessing didn't come, the baby didn't come.

At that moment, it didn't affect them. But there is a moment when they already want to be parents, they already want to start a bigger family, and that's when they try to find this baby. The detail is that here they find the bad news that it doesn't arrive, it doesn't arrive,

medical exams come, all these professional processes come, and the diagnosis becomes present. Infertility. Exactly, coming from Amalia. Here the world collapses. Imagine, they were talking about having a family, about having several children.

They had in mind to have several children. And out of nowhere, this idea comes up, that you know what? You're not going to be parents. You can't have children. And out of nowhere, this idea came up that, you know what? You're not going to be parents, you can't have children. They fall into a depression,

and they try to invest these savings they had in traveling. Because they, especially Rubén, was very positive and very... of the idea that nothing happens. Look, if we have money, we both work, we're going to go on trips,

something that parents can't do because they have to take care of their children, take them to school. I mean, how to change the mood. And say, let's do something good, right? And sometimes it worked.

They went on trips, they went to Europe, they went to the United States. Both had fairly stable jobs and it allowed them to travel. But there were times when, being in these places, enjoying their holidays, they would see a child in their mom's or dad's hands

and say, I want that. Rubén would hide it perfectly, but Amalia wouldn't. Amalia, as soon as she saw this scene, especially of a child hugging his mom in a park,

I broke her heart. And at that moment she started crying because she remembered her reality. She couldn't be a mother. So this was happening and they were like this for a long time until in their minds they had this idea that it was not going to happen. They were already well aware that they were not going to be parents.

Even Amalia at some point told Ruben, if you want to leave me, go ahead. I'm not going to take away that desire that you are a father, because of me. Ruben was there, he said, I don't care, you and I are going to be together all the time.

It happened. They arrive at their house, the months go by, and Amalia gets a visit from one of her sisters. They were talking, the family issue comes up, and Amalia tells her, well, look, we can't have children, but it's okay,

we got the idea that Rubén and I will be together all the time. He is my partner. But his sister says, Hey, I was working in a municipality in the southeast of Mexico, in Veracruz, where I met a man. His name is Isidro, they call him Don Chilo.

That man worked in a community for some important people because he is a shaman. And I'm telling you, what a coincidence, because what people told us about him is that he is very good. He works with all the light, with the good, not with the devil. You see, this is very typical.

And what we knew is that there were pregnant women who could not have children, and they went with him and got pregnant. And there they have their family. I mean, all this sounded very amazing, very, very, very beautiful, not to be real. And Rubén was listening from the kitchen,

and he says that he thought in his mind, I have to change the subject because my wife is already aware that we can't have children. We're not going to fall into this and get disappointed again and go through the whole process of recovering again, emotionally, psychologically.

So he said, look, we don't care, thank you. But Amalia had already heard, he said, wait, wait, wait. Tell me more about that man. No, he's there, you find him in this place. Whenever you want, I'll take them and blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

And Rubén says, precisely, that he sees his wife's face with these bright eyes. And he said, I can't, I can't, I can't. And he says, I saw a lot of hope in her. They agreed, they asked for their vacation and decided to visit Don Chilo, Don Isidro, the healer of this place of Veracruz.

The day comes, they arrive at the town, they arrive to where this man is, in fact, he lived in a rather humble little house, let's call it that. It had a little brick roof, a blogger's house. Inside there was only a room and many paintings of saints,

candles, incenses. There were some chickens around, because they also had their chickens, their animals. And they sit with this man. And then the questions begin, right? What can I do for you? But before they could answer,

this man stared at her, Amalia, and before she could speak, he said, I know, you want a son. You're looking for a son. He, speaking of Ruben, he too, but he doesn't believe. He has a lot of doubts.

And he started to get a lot of things out of him at that moment. And he says, I can help you, but before we continue, I have to ask you a question. What are you willing to pay to be parents? And I'm not talking about money. ¿Qué están dispuestos ustedes a pagar para ser padres? Y no hablo de dinero. Dice que hubo un silencio medio incómodo, ellos dos se miraron y dijeron,

pues si queremos ser padres, ¿cuál es el precio? Y él les vuelve a responder, el precio es alto, es muy alto. Y otra vez, no hablo de dinero. and he answers, the price is high, it's very high. And again, I'm not talking about money. There are things that sometimes a person has to go through to be able to have what they want. If you are willing to pay the price, go ahead.

He says that Rubén takes her hand and says, I think we have to go. We have to go. We don't know this man, we don't know what's going to happen. But Amalia was very focused on her sister's words that this man had made women get pregnant.

So she stays and says, no, we have to try this. This is the last chance we have. Time is passing. And I said to Amalia, we have to try this. This is the last chance we have. Time is passing. And I said, Amalia, I have so many years. I can't wait. If nothing happens here, I will know that my destiny was not to have children.

He says that Amalia gets ahead. I am willing to pay the price. He says he will meet him in a week. And that week he was preparing Amalia's body. He said the Lord gave her some drinks, some snacks, a lot of them.

He said, look, you're going to take this for your fast, you're going to take this at night, this after every meal. He started giving her a lot of things. And he said, in a week you have to come back because you're going to be ready.

They left, they rented a little house where they were staying for a week. Amalia was taking all this, as the Lord indicated. His prayers, his prayers, everything. The day comes and they go with this man. This man already had prepared in the living room of his house, a kind of ritual, everything very ritualistic, the candles, everything. and they go with this man. This man had prepared in the living room

a kind of ritual, everything very ritualistic, candles, everything. And he says that there was a deity very similar to the one I have behind you. Like this, in that material, like stone, like mud, but that this one had extended hands like this. For example, the one behind you is like this.

It's my plant, cutli. Okay. and Rubén was always there, taking care of everything. Mr. Isidro started to pass by, like a type of cleaning, plants, and he started to rub Amalia's stomach, belly, with a kind of oil, like this, that had leaves, it smelled like laurel, quite peculiar smells. And the man started to sing songs, with a kind of oil, like leaves, it smelled like laurel, quite peculiar smells.

And the man started to sing songs, songs, songs. Rubén, in the whole ritual, was thinking that this was a nonsense, that they were wasting his time, his money, and well, but he says that there is a moment

where this man, Mr. Isidro, is with his hands on Amalia's belly, and the man enters like. Isidro, is holding Amalia's belly, and the man enters a trance. He says that the man started to vomit, he wanted to throw up, and he didn't. And Robén was staring at him.

And Amalia's wife was strangely asleep. She was conscious at first, and then she also goes into a trance. and the wife, Amalia, was strangely asleep. I mean, she was first conscious, and then she also goes into a trance. And there's a moment where this man opens his eyes, and his eyes are completely white,

and he starts to speak in a very strange language. After all this ritual, it ends, and Mr. Isidro says, done, you are, and like a joke, he says, go do the task, because the body of this woman is ready. They pay, happy, I mean, Amalia was crying,

I don't know, right? Finally, they didn't wait. That same day, that same night, they had a very romantic dinner, and well, they did the job. They had this communion as a couple.

They forgot about it, they returned to their city, they continued their lives, they continued working. And one morning, Amalia, during breakfast, got up, was making, she says, some scrambled eggs, and the smell of the egg kind of disgusted her, and at that moment she went to the bathroom to throw up.

And these nausea started, right? In the morning. It had already been a few weeks since they had gone with this man. Nausea and nauseous. And she was like, but why am I nauseous?

They didn't waste time, they ran, Rubén ran to the pharmacy, bought these express tests, and there it was written, two-week pregnancy. No way, they were so happy, happy that the blessing was coming, No manches, estaban pero si felices, felices de que ya venía la bendición, pero bien

contentos, lloraron los dos, dieron gracias a Dios a la vida.

Por el milagro.

Por el milagro, no? O sea, le hablaron a la familia en ese momento, toda la familia que ya sabían que ellos no iban a ser padres, festejaban, no? Pero bueno, como toda historia va tomando un tinte bastante extraño. ¿Qué sucede? Van pasando, pues, los días, van pasando por ahí las semanas.

Y pasa algo importante. Amalia tiene un sueño. Este sueño, por ahí, no sé cómo explicarlo, pero es un poco extraño. Ella dice que está en su cuarto. Eh... and she showed him that she wanted to have communion with him. And he's her husband, so she goes in and says that they were having sex. The husband ends up staying with her. But something very strange happened.

She says that she started to smell a burnt meat aroma in the air. I don't know if it has happened to you, that sometimes, I don't know, you have a steak on the stove and it smells like burnt meat, but the aroma was unpleasant, it was strong. She said that this smell was very strong, and when she smells this part of her husband's shoulder,

she realizes that it was him. And there was a moment when his weight was on her. Don't imagine the scene, please. But he was on top of her. He starts to weigh a lot more. His body starts to weigh more, more, more, more.

And she says that there is a moment when she can't breathe anymore. Su cuerpo empieza a pesar más, más, más, más. Y ella dice que hay un momento donde ya no le permite respirar. Y cuando ella reacciona, dice que lo que estaba arriba de ella era algo que no era su esposo. Esto tenía la piel quemada, así como negra, chamuscada. Y aparte tenía una textura así muy como si fuera muy robosa, una piel muy llena de arrugas, muy vieja. and she had a very rough skin, very wrinkly, very old.

And she started to be afraid, and this thing started to... She wakes up from this nightmare, Rubén was by her side, and she started to have pains in her stomach. They went to the doctor, they checked her pregnancy, they told her that nothing was wrong, that it was just normal pains,

from the pregnancy, these are the colic that the body is preparing, blah, blah, blah. There was practically no risk as such. But she started in her house to perceive this burnt aroma in her house. She said, this burnt meat aroma was coming to me when I was cooking, when I was cleaning the room. This aroma was coming and she said,

it's here, this thing is here. This was going on for several weeks. She told her husband about all this. But Rubén, being a person who was a little skeptical and didn't believe in all this, said, look, it's pregnancy. Your hormones are moving.

Especially that. The weeks, the months go by. She turns three months. The pregnancy is going well, in all respects. And she says that, apart from that, there was a feeling that she was feeling all the time. She says that the pregnancy was very different

from the third month. What she describes is that at night, she felt her body tearing from the inside, as if what she had in her belly was biting her. And I feel like something hurts me from the inside. It hurts me from the inside.

And the pain and the pain went to that time, at 2, 3, 4 in the morning, to the doctor. They were in emergency there. Well, rarely, the doctor told her it was something strange, she said, no, it's just normal pain, it was nothing alien to what she claimed to have,

but her pregnancy started to become much more painful, it was very, very painful. She said she felt like something was biting her, or tearing her, or her or hurt her inside. She was feeling these very strong pains in the room. In the fifth month she said she felt the baby moving much more inside her womb

and this was intensifying all the time. Obviously, there is a moment where they say, we have to do something, and they decide to visit Mr. Isidro, the healer, to see what's going on, because they have siblings, their mom, they say, is he pregnant?

Yes, things happen in the woman's body, but not like that, I mean, it's not that kind of pain. They go and visit this man, and this man says, let's see, I asked you if you were willing to pay the price. You said yes. Don't tell me anything.

I did.

You wanted a pregnancy. There's your pregnancy. That's what they asked me and that's what I gave them. Please leave. They are obviously very upset. But what's going on? That's what they asked me and that's what I told them. Please, leave. They were obviously very upset,

but what's going on? What's happening? Because medically, they couldn't find anything abnormal in Amalia's body. They believed in God, but in their own way, let's call it. And they, looking for help with their family, llegaron a una iglesia, una iglesia cristiana. Ellos le cuentan al pastor todo lo que estaban viviendo,

lo que vivieron con el señor, el chamán, lo del sueño de Amalia con este demonio, y dice que los pastores en matrimonio escuchaban y callados, pero ponían caras como de miedo, como de extrañeza, The pastors in the wedding would hear it and they would be silent. They would put on faces of fear and of strangeness, but in the end they said, look, nothing is going to happen.

God is going to work in you. He is going to take care of your son and of you. Don't be afraid. They would start to congregate. It is said that this helped them at the beginning. The pains were decreasing.

These nightmares where this entity would come, because she said this entity was there, it would come to the room, and she would realize that it was the same entity that this shaman had, because she said she always saw in her hand

an extra finger, six fingers. So she said it was coming, it was coming, and things were diminishing in the church, with the prayer of the pastors, with the prayer of the whole church, they started to become more believers. The problem was that the pregnancy was advancing,

they reached the seventh or eighth month, and things started to get worse again. She says that she lives in a very strange place. That day she had a very strong with her husband, with Ruben, and Ruben, supposedly outraged, had gone to another room. So she goes into her room, closes the door, and goes to bed. She says that time passes and she falls asleep.

She falls asleep. And, listen to this experience, because it's said to be very strong. Suddenly, she opens her door and says, Ruben is coming to apologize to me. He's going to apologize to me. She lies down and I feel his warmth embrace me.

The first thing Ruben does is to caress my belly. He says, I knew it was him. He says, I take her hand to apologize. And it's when she feels his hand, he says that she feels that rough skin that she had felt in that nightmare.

A rough, rough skin. And he says that when she touches her hand like that, he takes it off and says, Rubén. And when she wants to move, she can't move. And she says she knows she's having an attack. She starts crying, she remembers what she learned in church.

She starts repeating in her words, repressing the blood of Christ has power and all this. She says she feels how this entity moves away, but stands up, I mean, like she stands up, she gets on the bed, and she stands up, she stands up, she goes to bed, and she stands up and she says that she hears her husband coming, and when he comes, the trance breaks, and that's when she turns around quickly, sees this thing standing on the bed, standing on the bed,

and Rubén also sees it. Both saw this, Rubén had entered the room because he said he had heard like something was knocking on the door and he was afraid, and he saw this thing standing

on the bed where his wife was. That night, they slept in his sister's house. They pulled a suitcase, threw the clothes, a towel, in case the baby had something to eat. They were very scared because they both saw that. They took the suitcase, threw the clothes, a towel, in case the baby had a miscarriage.

They were very scared because they both saw that. It wasn't a manifestation of, oh, the dream. No, it was a manifestation of a physical degree that two people already saw. They went that night to spend the night at their sister's house and they were there.

And it says that night before the birth, the pain was there, the bleeding, the sister and Rubén quickly move her to the hospital. She says she felt some strong, strong, strong pains. And she says that at the hospital, at that time, it was the weekend,

there was no guard. They call the pastor, the pastor arrives at the church, The hospital was closed on the weekend. There was no guard. They called the pastor. He said the pastor was there, sorry, the church. He arrived at the hospital with his wife. All this was happening between 1 and 2 in the morning.

I mean, the pastors who went to support were so nice. He said that while they were there, they started praying for her. They started praying for her. All this in the hospital waiting room. And he said that they began to pray, they began to pray for her to calm the pain, but she screamed, screamed in pain.

And Rubén says that when he discovered his wife's belly, he said he saw how a ... I mean, first, how her stomach was deformed, I mean, it was not round, like she was starting to have very strange movements, very amorphous, His stomach was deformed. It wasn't round. He started to have very strange, very amorphous movements. I saw a hand inside, stretching.

But I saw that the hand had six fingers. The six-finger issue was present. It is said that the pastors touched Amalia's womb and cried and cried and cried, but loudly, loudly, loudly, crying out in the name of God. And there was a moment where this woman screamed, they say she screamed very loudly, and she fell as if she had fainted.

But at the moment of reacting to her, she felt a relief. The problem was that she said, what, my baby? I don't feel it. I don't feel it. It doesn't move. It doesn't move. It doesn't move. And doctors, doctors were already coming. The specialist was already coming, the anesthetist, blah, blah, blah.

But she was crying because she said, I don't feel it. I don't feel it. I don't feel it. sorry, I'm sorry. And they started to intervene quickly. They started to do what was necessary. They gave her a caesarean section because of her health issues. And she wasn't wrong. The child, first, when they took him out,

they didn't give him the news, the news first that, well, congratulations, like, they saw that the doctors were like, moving everything very fast. Rubén was there, he says, my baby, where is it? I can't hear him cry. Where is it? Where is it? Where is it?

And he just saw how some nurses were taking him to a room. And another nurse said, sir, please calm down, I need you to leave, we have to attend to this. All this started to get really complicated. At some point, he heard the baby crying. The pastors were still praying in the waiting room. Rubén went with them,

but he felt a very strong foreboding. The last thing Amalia noticed was that in the operating room, when she heard the baby crying, she saw this six-finger figure again. There with her in the operating room. I was He was exhausted by his mother's efforts in the prayers. He couldn't cry. They kept him there with oxygen and all that.

The detail of this is that the child is having a good time, healthy and safe. At the end, Amalia tells us that it was a pretty heavy experience, from the pregnancy, from the visions, from all this. The pastors told her that they had a kind of demon near them, and time went by.

The child is already five years old, things were changing, they no longer had children. In fact, it's not that they didn't want to, they couldn't have more children. Things were normalizing. The detail is that this little boy,

their son, who is now five, almost six years old, started telling his mom and dad that inside his room he sees a man who is kind of burned and that he greets him all the time and sees that in his right hand he has six fingers. But he says, He says he's not afraid of me. In fact, he doesn't want to do anything to me. He just comes and watches me.

And once he said, he likes to watch me sleep. And he's not afraid. This is what Amalia, the other kids, and I share. I share with them what I've been through. I've been through a lot. He once told her, he said he told her, that he likes to see him sleep. And he's not afraid. This is what Amalia, her husband,

shares with me, because they say that she didn't leave completely.

No, of course not.

She's still there.

She's connected to the child. With the child.

She obviously moved away from Amalia and her husband, but she's with him. And she's going to stay there. What do you think, Vanessa?

No, that's too strong. And I'm going to tell you something. I feel that as time goes by, at some point the child will start to experience other things, not just see it. Maybe communicate.

Maybe later be in another way of being connected. Maybe the child comes out with certain gifts that the shaman has put in the spell so that she can be pregnant. Honestly, I don't think the child is just going to have a normal life.

Of course. I feel that at some point the bomb is going to explode. Surprise. The child brings things.

Look, Amalia confessed something to me and she's scared I'm going to tell you a story. I'm going to tell you a story. I'm going to tell you a story. I'm going to tell you a story. I'm going to tell you a story. I'm going to tell you a story. I'm going to tell you a story. No es su esposo. Piensa que se embarazó de esta entidad. Ella dice y lo siente.

O sea, ella es como su sentir. El sueño cuando esta cosa estuvo con ella fue como su confirmación. Y esta cosa, el niño dijo, yo no le tengo miedo. O sea, la forma en como se acerca no es como para espantar o poseer.

Es como, mira, te está visitando tu papá.

Eso. Una visita, mi hijo, ¿cómo estás? ¿Todo bien? Me voy. Eso. Eso que acabas de decir me lo dijo Amalia. Siento que es la visita como si fuera de su padre. Ella tiene miedo.

No.

Tiene miedo. No manches. Uy, mira. A mí también, a mí también se me puso los vellitos así. Uy. De punta, no manches.

No, y ojalá que siga contándote el desarrollo de lo que siga pasando. Porque esto estaría interesante seguirle la continuidad.

Claro. Conforme vayan pasando los años. Mira, este correo me llegó hace cerca de cuatro meses. O sea, entonces yo cada vez que cuento una historia de alguien, le respondo, le agradezco el aporte, le respondo que su historia va a ser contada en los próximos episodios, y cuando son exactamente así, sí me gusta saber como hacia dónde va girando,

para dónde va, qué pasa más adelante. Entonces, más adelante voy a estar yo contando qué es lo que sucede con este perro. Por favor, ya nos quedamos todos. No manches, qué fuerte amiga. What's going on with this patient? Please, we're all here. No way, that's strong, my friend.

Well, look, I have a story to tell you. Go ahead. About a boy named Gabriel. Well, this comes from Guadalajara. There was a doctor who studied in the pediatrics department. He took all the cases of children who had severe diseases,

especially cancer. He treated children with cancer and this doctor was already 3 or 4 years old, when suddenly a child came who caught everyone's attention. It was a child named Gabriel. He was approximately 7 or 8 years old. Gabriel caught everyone's attention because he was a boy with many freckles and he had a very particular moon.

He had a heart-shaped moon. So, you could see the freck and the heartburn that was burning. So the doctor starts treating him, starts seeing his case, and realizes that the child already has very advanced leukemia. So there's no hope. Only to treat him so that the child can continue to have a quality of life that he doesn't suffer and is in the clinic.

For some reason, Gabriel begins to fall in love a lot with the doctor, but it is a very excessive affection. And the doctor, he always stayed very detached because emotionally, if he got involved in the death of these children because of these diseases, he would have a very bad time. So he tried to get involved to a certain extent.

For this, his wife did not have children. The doctor and his wife did not have children. They were two years married. So, suddenly, his wife visited the hospital. There, the wife met Gabriel. But, when she saw him,

the wife felt a strange sensation with Gabriel. Something was not right with Gabriel. Then, they started to investigate. When the parents went to see how the child was doing, they found out that the father was connected to the darkness, that the father was somehow connected to the Satanism that did all this kind of work.

That's what was rumored. No one confirmed anything. That's what they said in the hospital. In short, the wife doesn't feel very comfortable with this child, she keeps her limits. But the child, every time the doctor was, for example, on his days off,

he would look for a space to go to the hospital and spend time with Gabriel. It was so much the obsession, the bond that was made between the two of them, that the doctor always tried to be as much as possible in the hospital. This child, Gabriel, has a crisis. They start to attend to him. For this, the doctor starts to have dreams with Gabriel.

He starts to dream that they are in the hospital, walking through these dark corridors. And suddenly he sees Gabriel walking in front of him. He goes into a room, and he sees the doctor from the door of the room. And Gabriel in his dream says to him, Come, sit down.

The doctor sits down, and in that, he says to him, Don't miss me and don't be sad. You and I, we'll see each other again soon. The doctor woke up scared and didn't understand why he was having these dreams. Maybe the best thing was that Gabriel was going to die

and a way to say goodbye. So, the wife starts, he doesn't tell his wife anything so she doesn't get scared. The point is that the wife starts having the same dreams. But in these dreams, Gabriel says to her, Mommy, you'll see me soon, pero en otra version en mi. Ella se despertaba agitada, asustada,

y en un momento le empieza a decir al doctor de estos sueños que está teniendo. Él le dice, sabes que, me está pasando algo similar, pero yo siento que es que Gabriel se está despidiendo entre nosotros. Okay.

Llega el punto en que Gabriel se pone demasiado mal Gabriel is saying goodbye to us.

Gabriel gets so upset that he starts calling his family. They say, you know what, it seems we can't get him out of this crisis. Come say goodbye to Gabriel. The family arrives and they start talking to the boy. The boy tells them that he's tired and wants to go. But the child tells his parents,

I'm going to change parents. I'm going to change parents. The parents think that the child is delirious, that the child is already agonizing. The doctor waits for the relatives to leave and the child says, I'll see you soon.

Don't go. We'll see each other soon. Gabriel dies. For this, the doctor had a very bad time. He enters a depression crisis. He even has time that takes days off,

it takes weeks, not being able to recover from this loss. The craziest thing of all is that he has a period that takes days, weeks, because he can't recover from this loss. The craziest thing about all of this is that after three or four months since Gabriel passed away,

the doctor starts going to the hospital again and he's given a night watch. In that watch, he's all calm, he's in his office, he hears footsteps in the hallway. He looks out and he clearly says he saw exactly the same figure in the dream Gabriel was walking in front of him. He leaves the office and starts following him. Just like the dream Gabriel was walking in front of him.

He leaves the office and starts following him. Just like in the dream, he sees Gabriel entering one of the rooms. He says he stays, like in the dream. In that, he only sees him and says, Dad, I'm ready.

He runs out and starts saying, I'm imagining things. This is very recent. I just got back to the hospital. I'm missing the child, the coexistence, all of this. He starts telling a nurse who was on guard,

and the nurse says, No, there's nothing here. Don't worry, doctor. He's just having a crisis. You know what? Here's another doctor.

You can stay in charge. The night is quiet. Go rest. The doctor is going to rest. The next morning, his wife wakes up,

smiling happily. My love! What's going on? Look, your pregnancy test. Feliz, sonriendo, mi amor. Él de que, ¿qué pasa? Mira su prueba de embarazo.

Claro.

Estoy embarazada. En ese momento, él se olvida de todo y dice, wow, por fin. Teníamos dos años intentando. Por fin vamos a tener ese niño o niña que tanto deseábamos, ¿no? Empieza pues a darle todos los cuidados sabidos y por haber, para esto van y se checan, el doctor olvida por completo ya a Gabriel,

o sea, él se enfoca totalmente en el embarazo de su esposa, porque le dicen que es un embarazo muy delicado, que los primeros tres meses son cruciales, que tiene que estar sentada, a very delicate pregnancy. The first three months are crucial, she has to be sitting, she has to be lying down, and that's what they do, to make sure she's always there.

Suddenly, entering the third month, a psycho comes, the doctor gets scared, he takes her to the doctor again, and he says, sabes una cosa, ahorita ya estamos en una etapa donde

si ella no se queda 100% acostada, el feto se puede desprender y va a perder al bebé.

Se cae.

Exacto. Así que ahorita es crucial que ella se quede acostada. Bueno. Él sigue trabajando, ella, de hecho contratan a una muchacha para que la esté cuidando. En eso está cuando en una ocasión, In fact, they hire a girl to take care of them. That's when, on one occasion, the girl, the wife, calls the hospital and says,

I don't know what's happening to me, but I've been having a fever, and between my fever, when I open my eyes, I see a child who is right on the edge of my bed. And it's causing me a lot of trouble veo un niño que está justo al borde de mi cama y me está causando mucho problema porque siento una especie de revoltura

y siento como que algo en el ombligo, como que si algo quisiera asomarse por el ombligo. Me está dando mucho miedo esto. Dicen, tranquilízate, déjame voy para allá, vamos a ver qué está pasando. El punto es que ya la tienen que...

Llega un punto en que, bueno, está en cama, pasan más meses, la tienen que llevar al hospital en el séptimo mes, ya le dicen, ¿sabes una cosa? Te tenemos que tener ya bajo observación. De repente aparecen los papás de Gabriel Suddenly, Gabriel's parents appear to tell them that they know that their son is going to manifest soon. So, they are like, what are you talking about? But it was already known in the hospital that these people worked with the people, with the witches who worked with the, well,

witchcraft, satanism, and others, even those who worked with the souls of purgatory. So, they started telling them, you know what? Get out of here, you're not welcome here. No, they were demanding to see the wife and the doctor. They didn't let them see them,

well, especially the doctor in the hospital. The day came when the baby had to be born. For this, she had to have seen her belly. What the doctor explained was that her belly was already purple. You could see some veins all over the belly. But not only that, she said that instead of little kicks,

she felt like little like nails were scratching. And she was very scared. Even she, instead of gaining weight, was losing weight. Because of the fear she had, she was not eating, she was not drinking liquids. Her face was pale, dark, she looked very thin. So that's why they have had to be in the hospital.

Well, the time of birth came. At that time, curiously, it had already been exactly 7 or 8 months. Yes, because she was 3 and... Like 7 or 8 months, she was about to have the baby. When the baby is born, they say,

the doctor says that when they were at the OR, he didn't even realize the date, the lady starts to puke, she starts to puke, the head starts to come out, the baby's little body comes out,

but at that moment, when he sees the baby, he was a child, he sees the baby, he has a lot of memories of Gabriel. He has not seen the baby, he only hears him crying, and that they are cleaning him, they are cleaning him, they are to give him, they say congratulations.

He is a little boy. They give the baby to him, a boy with freckles, and a little heart-shaped moon. No, wait. Birth time, one and a half in the morning. Date? Gabriel's birthday.

It was the day he turned one. He was born again.

Exactly.

The doctor says that it was very, very difficult for him to be with the baby for the first few months. Because this thing with ACAN didn't let him connect. He was very afraid of that baby. Especially because they said, they had heard the voice that the parents had gone

and had said that their son was going to be reborn. So he had a lot of conflict with having that child in his arms. For this, obviously, the doctor never told the woman that these people had gone to the hospital to say that they were going to be reborn. Gabriel did not tell her much less that the fecha de cumpleaños de Gabriel.

Pasa el tiempo, el niño crece. Dice él que le tomó como seis, siete meses poder acercarse. Pero lo curioso es que mientras el niño iba creciendo, las pecas se iban desapareciendo. El lunar se desapareció por completo. El niño se llama Santiago David. Una de las cosas que él dice, bueno, esto quizá a lo mejor fue un producto de algo que hicieron, un ritual no para verlo nacer, que no funcionó y que con el paso de los tiempos, It was a product of something they did, a ritual to see him born. It didn't work and with the passage of time, well, the passage of years, it was eliminated.

But there is one thing that the doctor cannot overcome. And it was that when he was little, because Gabriel is already nine years old. Sorry Gabriel, Santiago David David is nine years old. But one of the things this boy said to him, when he was five or six years old, he said, do you remember when we used to talk in the hospital bed?

It brings back memories.

Exactly. He says he doesn't know what to do with the boy. He says, Vane, do I have to take him to a place so that someone, I don't know how to handle it, I have to release him? What do I have to do? Because how is it possible that a five-year-old child says,

Daddy, do you remember our conversations in the hospital bed? And until now, this was, I told this story last year. I have not known anything else about this child's issue, but what I do know is that he said he was going to seek help, only that he did not know where to go.

Wow.

Notice that, well, I, maybe with that little knowledge, I didn't remember where. But this happened several years ago, a long time ago. It says that a woman gets pregnant from twins. The whole family is happy, two blessings, the whole family is happy, everyone is happy. It says that after a week, all happy, all content. He says that after a week or two,

in the fourth or fifth month of pregnancy, they move out of the house. And in this move, the husband was the one who was carrying the furniture, the boxes and all that. They didn't hire people for the move because she left it marked that they didn't have the money,

they couldn't afford it, they were having a lot of expenses with the pregnancy. And she saw how her husband was going up the stairs alone, carrying furniture, going up this and that. And she told him that she wanted to help him, but her husband said,

no, you stay there sitting, you're pregnant, don't fall, don't get hurt. And she, stubborn, says no. She said, no, I can do it. She grabs a box and goes up the second floor. The box was full of many things and one of these objects that was inside the box falls.

She goes up the stairs and reaches the second floor and steps on the object that falls. I think it was a comb or something like that. It slips and unfortunately falls. Her body is brutally cut, her wrist is broken, her head. And unfortunately, she loses the babies,

the twins who were already between three and four months more or less of gestation. She says she started to bleed as soon as she fell, a very strong pain in the belly. And at that moment, they take her to the hospital and there they give her the sad news

that her twins had a better life. Imagine, they both fell into a deep depression. I mean, both felt guilty, both of them, of saying, because they didn't have the money, if they had paid someone, she wouldn't have fallen, and she wouldn't have gone up.

You know? So, there was guilt in both of them. And it says that, as time went by, well, they got over it. More or less, around 2017, they got pregnant again, only one person, a child.

And here's the extraordinary thing. The child turns five years old, and says that one day, that's it, she never talked about the past pregnancy, not even with her son. She says she was coming down the stairs,

she was carrying some things in her hand, and she says that the child said, Mommy, leave that, don't fall. It happened to you once. Remember.

No.

She says that she was cold when the boy said that, don't fall, Mommy, it happened to you once. In fact, my little sister is just coming. She says that she was cold. She's cold, cold, cold, cold, cold. Because she says,

my husband is forbidden to talk about twins.

Of course, of course.

With him, me too. Nobody talks about the past pregnancy.

How did she know?

And the boy said, remember, you already lost us once. You fell.

Oh, boy.

And he says, my sister is coming. And yes, a few months later, she gets pregnant and they discover she is a girl. She was going to have twins, a boy and a girl. No, it's crazy.

I consider these are issues of reincarnation, I don't know. I mean, I can't... Maybe here the Catholic Christians will say, no, that doesn't know. I mean, I can't... Maybe here the Catholic and Christian believers will say, No, that doesn't exist. Let's be honest. Nobody has the absolute truth. Nobody, nobody, nobody. No matter how much faith we have,

nobody has the absolute truth. We don't know. I mean, no matter how much you say, he was inspired by God. We are not sure. Look Paco, I am Catholic and I do believe. I do believe in reincarnation. There are too many cases of reincarnation, man.

Of course. Many children come and tell you about past lives, parents, what were soldiers, a lot of things.

Of course, I told my parents when I was 5 what had happened in my past life and how I had gone.

So, I do believe. Now I want to tell you this next story me había ido entonces sí creo ahora yo te quiero contar esta siguiente historia que hemos titulado interés mortal las comparte una chica que igual los nombres han sido cambiados por temas de seguridad y nos cuenta algo que vivió durante su embarazo que fue y así en palabras de ella fue un embarazo bastante and so in her words, it was a pretty...

uh... cursed pregnancy, let's call it that. Because she lived things that have to do with what we were talking about at the beginning. Witchcraft. She tells us that this happened in 2001,

and the names, as I mentioned, have been changed. Let's put Luisa. She was 16 years old in 2001. And a quick context for everyone. She is from a small town in Jalisco. And she lived with her mother, Maria, and her grandmother, Rosa.

Her father, unfortunately, when she was very young, died of a heart attack. So the situation they were in was very bad. Her mother was constantly looking for a livelihood, her grandmother too. Her grandmother actually worked in a market,

her mother in a bakery, and they were constantly trying to get Luisa ahead. She said she was in high school. So at that time, because she said that in the mornings she studied, and in the afternoons she helped her grandmother in the market, or her mother in the bakery, always looking to contribute to the economic issue.

At this time, she met a boy. A boy that, she tells me, it's not even worth saying his name. An older boy who saw the state of vulnerability, told her about beautiful things, about taking her on a trip,

about taking her to living in another state, about abundance. The boy seemed to have money. And she fell for him. And she told me, I fell for him. Besides, the boy was very handsome.

So, shortly after leaving, the boy, being very romantic, managed to win her over. They were dating for a while, and two months later she got pregnant at 16. Young girl.

Super. As soon as she found out she was pregnant, she got excited and said, well, I'm pregnant, we're going to start a family. And as soon as I told the boy I was pregnant, the boy denied it.

The boy said, that child is not mine, don't you dare to get me pregnant with a child that is not mine. Surely you left and the truth was, he humiliated her. You left with a lot of things, he humiliated her. He said, you were a whore, a lot of things. And the guy grabbed her and left. He left her 16 years old, in a pregnancy.

She thought about many things, because she returned to her reality. Her mom, her grandma working, she was short of money. And she, with a pregnancy that she couldn't even tell her family, she was very scared, time was passing, she kept silent. But there was a moment where

the inevitable starts to show up. Obviously, the body is changing, the belly is changing, and she realizes that she can't hide it. So, one day, she talks to her mom and her grandma, and she tells them what happened. She's embarrassed.

Obviously, her grandma and mom hear her and they almost have a heart attack. How is it possible that you're pregnant? How did you do that to us? You're seeing that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. In fact, they take her out of school, How is it possible that you're pregnant? How did you do that to us? You're seeing that blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.

In fact, they take her out of school obviously because of the fear and shame. What will they say? What will they say? So, she says that the two of them agreed that they were going to support her, but they were deeply disappointed with this girl, with Luisa.

How is it possible that you went to get into the trap, as they say, knowing our situation. They take her out of school and around there, the grandmother, as she worked in a market, managed to get into that same market as an employee in a vegetable shop. She was selling fruit and vegetables, having this business.

She says that time went by, she already had for this point, a When she turned 5 months, two people started to appear in the market in the vegetable business. A marriage. It is said that the age of this marriage ranged from 60 to 50 years. Named Gabriela and Julian. At first they came and bought the vegetables, looked at the girl and talked to her. llegaban y compraban la verdura, miraban a la chica y como que le hacían plática, se iban. Pero empezaban a ser más constantes, más constantes, y de buenas a primeras ella empezó a dar confianza con ellos porque los ve pues como en un estado económico

bueno, ellos muy amables todo el tiempo, y ella pues en su casa todo el tiempo le recordaban el error que había cometido. O sea, a pesar de que ya...

La metida de pata no se les iba a olvidar.

Nunca, dice que llegaban y si había un tema de dinero siempre salía ella al juego, pero tú todavía... O sea, entonces ella vivía muy reprimida, muy reprimida. Y estas personas se notaron muy amables, muy buena onda, muy chidos, muy entendidos. and they were very nice, very cool, very understanding. And she started to trust them and started to tell them her sorrows, how she felt. She started to look for a way out with them, like a refuge.

They listened attentively, they didn't talk, they consoled her, they said, well, a lot of courage, and they kept getting more and more constant in the greenhouse. Until a moment came when they started to tell a little bit about their lives. They told them that they were doing well, that they had businesses, and that they had done very well. That in the past they had sought to have children,

and that they could not have children. They could never have children, but that today they long to have children. They started to probe, and there was a moment when they were right and discreet. They said, you know what?

We are willing to adopt your child if you want. We are going to give him a very good life, because we don't have children. We have business, we have money, and we can give you, give the child everything he needs, and pay you for all the medical expenses in the hospital that you want.

This girl listens to Luisa and her eyes sparkle because she said, there's the option, there's my alternative. She said it and she confessed it. I said, I thought, yes, of course, of course I'm going to start my life again, I'm going to go back to school.

It's like everything, life will give you an opportunity. She did think so. And she says that night, she was looking for a way to tell her mom and grandma. And she said, how was she going to tell them? Because she thought that they were going to say yes. Because they were always there, like, fuck, fuck, fuck.

So they were having coffee, when the moment came, and she said, let's see, this happens. A very rich couple wants to adopt my son. What do they say? No, no, no. but he's your son. How are you going to give him away? How are you going to adopt him? No. And above all, who? And he says, well, they're called... He gives them names, right?

Gabriel and Julian, their marriage at such a young age. He started describing them. And he says that the grandmother...

He says, no.

And not to that couple of wizards, right? How do you think? No, y menos a ese par de brujos, ¿no? ¿Cómo crees? Resulta que ellos vivían en un municipio vecino, o sea, el matrimonio, que buscaban al niño. Y le dijo, no, ellos son famosos, son conocidos en todo el pueblo por hacer brujería, por ser, pero sí, súper oscuros en el tema de brujería y cómo le vas a dar a tu hijo, ¿no? but they were super dark on the subject of witchcraft, how are you going to give your son? No.

And she said, well, but you said that I had already told you yes, thinking that you were going to support me in the decision.

No.

Well, tomorrow they are going to come. And she says, no, well, tomorrow I will receive them, says the grandmother. No, the grandmother was these hard ladies, right? Out of nowhere. I'm going to ask these hard women to come to the nursery. Grandma was there, Mom was there, Luisa was there. And she says, let's see, gentlemen, Grandma,

I'm going to ask you to please leave my granddaughter alone. We already talked about it. My granddaughter is not going to give birth to anyone. We are going to keep the baby. The baby is ours. She says that these people had been a love. I mean, always nice, very understanding and everything. There they changed.

Their tone was more hostile. They were aggressive. They even humiliated them. They said to them, we are going to give you the opportunity that this baby had a good life.

With you he will starve to death. And they started humiliating them like that. Grandma kicked them out. She kicked them out. Get out of here. The problem came in the morning.

Luisa says that it all started one morning. She wakes Vanessa up. A strong pain in her stomach. But the pain she described is, I felt as if I had been buried a pin in my navel.

She says it was a punch, a strong pain that you got up, you get up screaming. She thought something had buried her in the stomach, there was nothing, everything was checked, everything was fine, but it was an unbearable pain. She says she felt like belly being stuck to her penis.

She was crying with pain. She was 16 years old, she was about six months pregnant. She felt her baby starting to get restless, it was starting to move a lot. She started talking to her grandmother and mother about all the pain. They started taking talk to her grandmother and her mother about all the pains. They started to take her to the doctor to have her checked.

And here she started to have a strange situation because these intense pains calmed down when she went to the doctor. She had strong pains, pulsations, but the dolor no era oncolico, eran punzones. Dice que llegando, literalmente daba un paso dentro de la institución, desaparecía. La revisaban, todo en orden, no había nada. Y ella dice, pero mi nieta venía llorando de dolor y aquí ya no tiene nada.

El doctor le decía, pues es que no tiene nada. La revisaban todo, no había sido nada. Pero ¿qué está pasando, no? The doctor said, it's nothing. They checked her, she hadn't done anything. I said, what's going on? They cut her, they leave the hospital, the pain starts again. And this starts to be very recurrent.

Then these little, inexplicable wounds started to appear. She said that what she told us is that her underwear had these spots, like when she was just pregnant. inexplicable. Ella decía que lo que nos cuenta es que su ropa interior pues tenía estas manchitas como cuando estaba recién embarazada o sea cosas extrañas, los dolores y los vómitos empezaban a ser constantes. Esto sabemos que puede ser normal hasta cierto punto, pero no es de que comes y vomitas. Esto es lo que ella estaba experimentando. Ella dice que empezó a ser pues prácticamente una She says she started to be a victim of so much suffering. And the family started to try to understand what was happening.

They knew they had gotten involved with people who manipulated witchcraft, magic, energy. She says that in the fifth month recurring nightmares began in her. She says that in these nightmares someone would enter through the window. Look at what she said. Someone would enter this nightmare and open her... and take it out.

She felt pain but was trapped in her dream. She couldn't wake up. She would wake up with the same pain, and she would check and see if she had red blood in her underwear. This became very common. She says that around the end of the sixth month, her mom, cleaning the yard, found a rag doll with a picture of her. At the end of the sixth month, his mother, cleaning the yard,

found a rag doll with a photograph that had been taken of his daughter in the market, as well as unforeseen, and this doll was full of... in all the belly area. But like this. Obviously, they see this, and they had some ribbons there, and they confirm that this marriage was witchcraft. The grandmother who worked in the market, in the same market there were people who worked witchcraft.

So they decide to take this girl with these healers, with these witches of the market, to help her, to clean her, to take away her witchcraft. And he says that they started cleaning her, they started sweeping her, the girl vomited, and the witch doctor told her that there was another job, that they had to be very careful

because the job they were doing to the girl was very strong. Imagine the witchcraft job of a pregnant woman, Vanessa.

She's a 16-year-old girl.

16 years old. She says that by the seventh month, the pains returned again, that they had already calmed down, they returned again and the family began to search the house and just find the second object that was in the house. There was another doll with more pins, this one had pins on the head, on the belly, on the feet, because it says that his feet started to swell, but they looked like balloons.

He started to have very serious health problems, he started to retain a lot of fluid, and walking was already difficult for him. It hurt him, he said he felt like the pins were stuck in his foot. And obviously when they found the second doll, he had all this. He says they burn all this, they take it with the witch of the market, with the witch, and they burn it and tell him that the jobs are already eliminated.

The problem is that this marriage is going to be constantly attacking. Revenge. Revenge. She says that at some point they find them outside the church. They were there, as if they were pretending to be present. In the eighth month, she began to have unbearable pain again.

She said that she felt as if was crushed and her bones were broken. She told us it was a pain. The girl was crying. Her heart rate was increasing. She started having problems with blood pressure. Medically, her pregnancy was killing her. I mean, literally, I'm going to tell you, doctor.

Her own baby. Her own baby was causing in her body... I mean, these are medical terms. There were a series of problems that were very delicate. I mean, this last one was a heart problem. That's why when I said, damn pregnancy, I didn't exaggerate, because all this was starting to happen.

It says that the birth is advanced in one of these strong attacks of pain, the baby named Manuel is advanced. of in to the family, they tell them everything that was happening. There, another relative, on behalf of his mother, they take her from this place to Mexico City, as if they decide, you know what? I'm going to take her. She's going to work, we're going to take care of the child. It was the only solution they found to all this.

But it was a pregnancy, Vanessa, which follows him painfully. I mean, it was...

No, no, no. Fernando, to adopt your child, and in the end, you don't want to give them your child, and they end up doing witchcraft.

Of course. Many years have passed, obviously, this was in 2001. Her mother, of this girl, confesses that she directly confronted this marriage, because the day her baby was going to be born, they went to the hospital. She never found out until later. They told her that they were family friends and that they wanted to see the baby. No. I never knew what the real intentions of this marriage were. If it was to keep the child, if it was to live without the child, I mean, I didn't know what it was.

I think that when she regretted giving you the adoption, they said, ok, if it's not ours, it's not yours either.

I also think so, because it's the way of thinking of many people. Many bad people, I mean, if I don't have what I want, it's not yours anymore. Neither for you nor for me.

For no one.

We both lose.

That's strong, right?

No, and now that you're telling that, I also have another story just about witchcraft. Go ahead. A witchcraft that comes from a person very close to you. This was the caso de Rita. Rita era una muchacha de 18, 19 años, que vivía en Michoacán, en una comunidad pequeña donde todo mundo se conocía, no se cuenten.

Y bueno, ella termina sus estudios, conoce a un chico que él trabajaba en un puesto, vendía cosas, vendía artesanías. Entonces, bueno, ella, siempre que salía de la escuela, pues pasaba por ahí, lo conocen, tabla una amistad, se hacen amigos. Y desde el primer momento en que la familia de él se enteran

que es amigo de esta chica, nunca estuvieron de acuerdo. ¿Por qué? Porque supuestamente la familia de él eran comerciantes, ¿no? When they found out that he was a friend of this girl, they never agreed. Why? Because supposedly his family were merchants, they had crafts shops, not only in Michoacán, but in other states they had sales there. And the girl was a little more of a humble family, her parents worked in the field, it wasn't the same, but they felt a little more privileged. que sus papás trabajaban en el campo, o sea, no era lo mismo, pero ellos se sentían como de un poquito más privilegiados. El punto es que desde el momento le dijeron, sabes una cosa,

con esta muchacha no, Rita, se llamaba la muchacha, no es digna de tu amistad, se pudiera decir así. El muchacho, se llamaba Rodrigo, el muchacho de que no, sabes que, yo estoy muy a gusto con ellas, mi amiga, I'm very happy with them, they're my friends. Time goes by and they fall in love. Rodrigo is making it easy for him. I tell the family, you know what?

I'm very happy, I'm happy. A couple of years have passed, please accept Rita. Rita makes me happy. The parents, no, but how? Look, the girl in this family is better, she's from a good family, and this and that.

I'm not interested, I want to be with Rita. Well, they turn their back on her from day one, with the relationship. For this, they tell her, you know what? If you're going to be with her, you can't be worthy of the family anymore, you're going to have to leave the job, our business, no puede ser digno de la familia, te vas a tener que salir del puesto, de nuestros negocios, tú ya no vas a trabajar para nosotros. El muchacho necesita ganarse la vida de alguna

forma, ¿no? ¿Quiere casarse con Rita? Lo hace. Se van al lugar este civil, se casan, para esto pasan un par de meses, Rita realizes that she's pregnant. So, well, Rodrigo, happy, happy, that he's going to be a dad, and what better than with the woman of his life, tells her, look, you have two months of pregnancy. What do you think if, before you have the baby,

I go to the United States for a few months. I go there, I gather money, and when I return, we start a business, and we wait for the baby to arrive. Rita is not very happy with that decision, because she hears that she is going to be alone, she did not have a father, she only had her mother.

Her mother says, look, I support you, but pero pues, este, bueno, no más que, que no se vaya a colgar tanto allá, ¿no? Obviamente, la familia de él, pues, no da que ver con ella, entonces, bueno, se va, se va Rodrigo. Todos los días se llamaban,

todos los días estaban en comunicación, oye, ¿cómo el bebé? I went to the doctor and she was at the top of her game, telling him how she felt every day. Suddenly, time passed and the calls, which were every day, now began to be twice a week. The calls began to be scarce. For this, she had many doubts in her head about what is happening.

Everything was fine. One day, Rita's mom is in a market when she sees that Rodrigo's mom leaves a room behind the market where it was known that there was a witch who did both good and bad jobs. She was surprised to see this woman there. She said, but what does this woman want there?

Time passes, time continues, Rodrigo's calls now are once a week.

Wow.

By this time, this girl is entering Aures una vez a la semana. Wow. Ya para esto, esta muchachita está entrando en el sexto mes de embarazo. Pero ella ya la está pasando muy mal, con depresión, triste, porque no sabe si en verdad Rodrigo la está tomando en serio. O sea, no sabía ya nada de él, porque ya había prácticamente

perdido contacto con él. No sabía si le había pasado algo. I didn't know anything about him because I had already lost contact with him. I didn't know if something had happened to him, I didn't know if he had already made love to someone else, and I was in doubt. So, at some point, Rita's mother had a friend who was very... she knew they were friends with very close to the witch. Between conversation and conversation,

it was discovered that the mother had turned to the witch so that, one, her son would leave Rita, leave her alone, and two, that the baby she was had in her womb, she didn't want to have a stain on her family, to what she was saying. Well, time passes, we are already in the seventh month,

Rita is already very bad. Now Rita is in total depression, but Rita already looks like a full-blown living zombie. She gives up, parece un pleno zombi viviente. Ya ella se da por vencida, se da cuenta de que ya Rodrigo no va a volver. Pero ella tenía algo con el bebé, algo, ella se sentía muy mal. Ella sabía que algo estaba pasando con ese bebé que llevaba en el vientre.

Porque ella cada vez que se iba would say, I hear a heartbeat, but for some strange reason, maybe it's because of our team, because we are from a small town, I can't see well, but I can hear the heartbeat. It was too strange. With the mere fact of her hearing, I hear a heartbeat, Era demasiado extraño. Con el solo hecho de ella escuchar, escucho, latido, todo se escucha bien. Ella decía, bueno, estoy tranquila, no se puede ver la imagen,

pero igual el bebé está bien. Bueno. Llega el momento en el que ella empieza a... De repente como que se le venían, ¿cómo le llaman? ¿coágulos? Una noche empieza a tener coágulos y se le empiezan a desprender coágulos. Ella muy asustada le dice a su mamá, oye, pues mira, me está pasando esto.

Para esto, repito, eran una comunidad muy, muy pequeña en Michoacán, que le dice a la mamá, ¿sabes una cosa? Híjole, no vamos a alcanzar, parece que el bebé ya viene, se te está desprendiendo. Vamos a llamarle a... no me acuerdo, creo que le llamaban Conchita, Jovita, la parte era del pueblo. Llegaron a una viejita, empieza pues a atenderla, ella para esto estaba gritando de que tenía un dolor horrible, se estaba, o sea, prácticamente se revolcaba de dolor.

Entonces en esto, la parte del licenciado es que, esto no sé que sea porque por más que toco, no siento que sea forma de un bebé. Le pregunta, oye, en algún momento sentiste patadas o movimientos? Y Rita dice, no. Pero el doctor siempre me decía que tenía latidos en el corazón. Bueno, empieza la partera de cierta forma pues puja.

Entonces, en eso, lo primero que sale es otra masa como de carne rara y era otro coágulo. Dice la señora, no, no, no, sigue pujando, sigue pujando. Cuando ella puja, se desprende una, le llama Rita, una forma como de un pedazo de carne, eso es como vas a la carnicería y pides un pedazo de algo, ¿no? Un trozo de carne. Era una masa de carne con pelos.

¿Qué?

Sí, era un trozo de masa con pelos. Pero para esto, cuando la sacan, dice ella que viene un tejido como sangre, pero era como un olor apodrido, no sé ni cómo decirte. Una cosa como apodrido, como cuando dejan un pedazo de carne ahí I don't know how to tell you. It was something rotten, like when they leave a piece of meat there and it gets lost and it smells horrible. And for this it was black.

It was black. The old woman, the midwife, takes that thing out. They say there is no baby. There is no baby.

But it had a heartbeat.

It had a heartbeat. At the time it had a heartbeat, but there was never any movement. No hay bebé. Pero tenía latido. Tenía latido. En su momento tenía latido. Pero nunca hubo movimiento. Solo había latido. Que el doctor decía que había, pero no se podía ver la imagen.

Claro.

Sacan a esto. Ella pues llorando de que, ¿qué era mi bebé? Y dice la señora, es que no había bebé. No había bebé. Bueno. Limpian. ¿Qué? ¿No había bebé? ¿No había bebé? Bueno... Limpian, ella llorando, pues, de que... Toda perdida de que qué había pasado.

Pasa el tiempo, esta muchacha, Rita, en depresión total. No se recuperaba nunca, no se podía recuperar de esto, porque ella con ansias, dice, bueno, si ya no tengo a Rodrigo, quiero a mi bebé. Por supuesto, era su consuelo. Era su consuelo. Pasa, yo creo que uno o dos meses, la partera fallece.

¿Qué? Pero espérate. Empiezan, usualmente no hacían lo que viene siendo la autopsia de que vamos a ver, Usually, they don't do what is called an autopsy, where they say, well, she was already old, she was gone. No. For some reason, the families say, hey, but mom was fine.

What happened to her? The funny thing is that when they do this to her, it appears that the blood of the lady had been contaminated with something. There was a type of poison in the blood of the old woman. They couldn't say what type of poison it was, but the blood had been contaminated with some type of something

that had already had contact, and the old woman died. What? Rita never heard from Rodrigo again. Never. And she, after this, never, never, ever, could get pregnant again.

She's sterile.

No, man, that's bizarre. No, and mom doesn't doubt to stay. No manches, que bizarro. No. de que había ido supuestamente a trabajar para que el hijo se alejara y para que ella fuese el bebé. Entonces, sí. Fue un caso bien feo porque dice ella que al final pasaron ya años de esto y encontró una persona que ella se enamoró mucho, pero que nunca, nunca pudieron tener una bebé.

Oye, qué fuerte, qué miedo,ized, that this comes out of your body. And here I'm going to take the opportunity to say something. As a content creator, I always try to bring these kinds of stories that are very interesting to people. But as a researcher, too,

I don't like to use that title because I'm very green, I'm very green, Ernesto. I've investigated cases that I can't even show here or on my page. I mean, I know a lot more than I speak. There's a case that I'm investigating

that, my God, is very brutal.

Did you see the video, Vanessa? Ay, Dios mío, me quedé todo... Lo estás diciendo y se me está viniendo la imagen del video. Sí, está muy fuerte.

Hay un caso que yo necesito ver cómo lo voy a poder mostrar de una manera no explícita, porque si es explícita... No, no, no, no hay forma, no hay forma.

Pero es que no hay forma de cómo... because if it's explicit, no, no, no, there's no way. But there's no way. How? You would have to show the video and...

How? No, you can't. You can't? If I show that video, not only do they take the video from me, they ban the channel completely.

They ban the channel completely.

And to tell people, more or less, the topic that I am currently investigating is that of a woman who couldn't have children. And who was also developing a cancer issue. But the woman said and manifested that she had night attacks, night terrors. Until she was subjected to a release. until he was released. And there is the evidence, explicit,

of when a living frog comes out of his body. I have that evidence. It's evidence that reaches my mail and it's graphic in all its extent. Here you can't see the trick. No, no, no, no, no. Literally everything is there. Everything.

Vanessa saw it because I told her what I'm investigating. And it's not that there's no trick.

No, there's no way. Honestly, there's no way. There's no way that... Ah, look, they did it.

No, there's the camera and you can see when they take out the toad. I mean, there is no way. So, it's a topic that I'm looking for how to bring it here to the podcast. It's a research topic that I'm still following. This... My God.

I don't know how you're going to do it, but I'll wait for that. With anxiety.

I mean, at some point, maybe, I don't know, here, I mean, it's too explicit.

You can't, there's no way. And if you want to put it, you know, blurry, so that it doesn't show, you're going to lose everything.

Everything.

Yes, then.

But well, I'm still working on that, I want to tell you this last story, Vanessa. This story is called The Shadow in My Womb. It happens in Maryland, United States. And the protagonist is called Sofía, a girl who emigrated from Mexico, United States, when she was very young, and when she was very young she was 3 years old. So, she goes with her parents a long time ago,

and they start to settle in this place and start working. They start doing very well, you already know perfectly how to live in this place, in those places, how to earn, how life is, right? Very different from where you start. She starts working as a receptionist in a car agency. que de donde tú partes. Ella empieza a trabajar de recepcionista en una agencia de autos. Esta chica, quiero hacer un énfasis, yo leo la historia y se me hace una chica como tú.

Ok. O sea, muy extrovertida, muy amiguera, fácil de leer palabras, tenía tema con clientes, entonces se me figuro un poco a ti. Ok. Entonces, there is a topic that she started to have changes and it was very noticeable, but all because of meeting a boy named Trevor. A kind, affectionate, protective man who started to pretend to her. He started to visit the agency, bought bought a car, he showed he had purchasing power, and he asked for contact,

they started to have talks and talks and talks. And there was a moment where, well, our protagonist, Sofia, falls in love with Trevor. A guy who, in addition to everything, is very similar, really.

She told me, the guy is very handsome. Only there was a big problem there. The boy was a manipulator at first.

Know or not?

No, it couldn't be so perfect.

She says that his way of being was very peculiar because at no time did heised violence or was very strict. His way was very passive, but at the same time aggressive. With affection and love he began to isolate Sofía from friends, family, and he said, for example, today I'm going to see my friends. And the guy would say, how is that? I prepared a dinner for you,

I made it with my own hands, let's go. I mean, she didn't say directly, you're not going. No, she knew how to do it.

And she felt guilty,

she said, no, well, look, I'll talk to my friends, No. Normally, they didn't talk about religious inclinations. For example, Sofia was Catholic, but I think that, as it is the 90% of Catholics, that, yes, I was baptized, I go to Mass from time to time, and that's it, right? Very relaxed. Yes, but Trevor didn't.

Trevor belonged to a group called the community. It was a group of people and it's not a religion. I'm not talking about Christianity or Catholicism. It was a group that was called the community. He talked a lot to Sofia about this congregation. Let's call it that so they don't ban us, because the word is forbidden.

The congregation was full of very nice people, they always sought enlightenment, knowledge, God, blah, blah, blah. And Sofía was never a religious woman, but since she was lostly in love with Trevor, she agreed to go to these Sunday meetings where they meet the...

let's say, Pastor Williams, right? A pretty straight man, with a beard, a gringo, who liked to preach the word a lot and do acts of charity. She says that when they introduce her, they do a welcome ritual,

everyone prays to her, using a foreign language that she didn't know. But she was very normal. She was in love. She says that at first, all the people in this congregation were very good. I mean, really, they were like, how can I help you if you need support? There were doctors, there were engineers within this congregation, important people, people who earned a lot, and everyone, as well as what you do,

we are here to serve you, to help you, everyone as a great brotherhood. I mean, it's like a movie. It says that she begins to congregate in this place, and Pastor Williams, well, he spoke, he gave some sermons. He was a great guy. He would talk, he would really go off and he would really get people excited. He would really get people excited.

He says that at some point he made a proposal for everyone to go live at his ranch. Everyone, everyone. The whole congregation, which was about 40 people, everyone would go live at his ranch to be more connected to God. He had his ranch where he had animals, plots, he planted things. And the whole congregation said yes.

But this is amazing because there were doctors, surgeons, engineers. Going to live at that ranch meant giving up everything and going to live there. And everyone accepted it happily. In fact, some even cried and thanked her, saying, thank you for letting us be with you,

share with you. I mean, no, no, no, no, a brutal thing. Sofía, well, by this point, she was starting to notice weird things, No, no, no, no. Una cosa brutal. Sofía, pues ya para este punto empezaba a notar cosas medias raras, pero al ver, ahora sí que un grupo de personas, ella decía mucho más inteligentes que yo que estaban ahí.

Claro. Quiere decir que es por algo, ¿no? Entonces dice que a los meses todos se fueron a vivir ahí. El pastor ya había preparado varias cabañas donde dormían por grupos de personas y tenía muchos empleados. prepared several cabins where they slept in groups of people and had many employees. He says that some worked in the kitchen, others taking care of animals, others planting.

That is, all together as a great community, that is, a utopia, because they did not lack anything, they had a river next door, that is, everything very beautiful. The problem began when she noticed that there was an exploitation of the members. They were forced to work more than 10 hours without a salary because the pastor gave them food,

he said they had to give up everything, everything because they were serving the Work, and that what they were going to have food, a roof, it doesn't matter if you were a doctor, a nurse, it doesn't matter, it's not a Christian church, it's not for Christians, it was a s**t that was being done

by a Christian church. And she started noticing all this. She slept with Trevor, her husband, at the ranch, and soon after she got pregnant. Here's the thing. Sofía worked taking care of animals. She had to take care of animals, feed the pigs, the chickens.

She says that when the members and the pastor found out that she was pregnant, there was a huge change. A change where everyone focused on serving her. I mean, it was like, whatever you need. Do you want a glass of water? I'm going to run. Here we are. If you don't want to get your shoes dirty, I'll lie down so you can step on my back.

I mean, to that degree. She said that the attention she received was scary. She says that the pastor forced all the members to do like this with her, to have this special treatment, almost reverential, and all this began to attract attention. But why? What happens?

Why that spirit with me? She says that at this point, the energy of the place changed and became very oppressive and dark. She began to feel, when her day was over, that at night she felt an oppression in her chest and back. And she had the feeling that something was constantly watching her. It is said that in the prayer groups, they focused on her. Every day they prayed for her.

But every time they prayed for her, she felt that strange things intensified in the nights. Something that shouldn't be. In fact, it would be the opposite. When they pray for you, when they are interceding, you feel a peace, a relief, harmony. She said that there were times when they prayed every day

for up to two hours for her. And that they were praying in strange languages and they prayed in strange languages. And at night she felt the sensation that someone was watching her. She said she didn't see him, but she felt him.

She felt his presence. She heard noises, she heard footsteps outside my room. She saw how the objects moved. And she says, I told my husband, Trevor, and he minimized everything. He didn't care.

She says she felt that literally something was stalking her. After this, he says that she started having nightmares and he said, look at the nightmare, that a shadow literally came and entered her, like it possessed her. He says that when she felt that this thing was entering her body,

she said that the baby started to get restless, started to kick, started to get very sick, and she felt that this entity that was entering was lodging in her belly. She said that it reached a point where it was lodging there and displaced the baby.

She said, And I felt like those purification prayers that they did with me, they really didn't work for me. The members would surround me, and I would feel like I was being pushed away from the church. And I would feel like I was being pushed away from the church. And I would feel like I was being pushed away from the church.

And I would feel like I was being pushed away from the church. And I would feel like I was being pushed away from the church. The churches were getting stronger and I felt like the purification prayers they were doing with me were not really helping me. The members were surrounding me, touching my belly, and each time these rituals were getting stronger and the presence I saw in my room was getting stronger, it was getting stronger and stronger. She said, I didn't know what was going on,

but I was aware that there was a relationship between the entity in my room and the people's prayers. She knew that there was a bond between them, because the more they prayed for her, the more she manifested. When they almost didn't, things would calm down. So she started to understand the bad. She would talk to her husband and say,

I feel like they are doing something bad to me. And he would get angry. She would say, my husband stopped behaving like my husband and started behaving like a follower of the pastor. So if I attacked the pastor, he would get angry with me. And the father, or the pastor William,

started to become dominant. He said that he started to act as if he were the father, not the husband. He started to make decisions that corresponded to my husband. And the husband, like this. Like, yes, you know.

Whatever you say, whatever you say, because you are the man of God, blah, blah, blah. Like a see. He says, But she felt that now she was manifesting in a visible way. She said, I could see how through the corner of her eye, how something was moving. This was getting stronger. She said that the rituals were getting longer. The rituals that were done to her were longer.

She no longer wanted to submit to these prayers. And Pastor William said, no, we have to take care of that child because he comes came on purpose. And the husband, quiet, didn't say anything. So she started to be very scared. She thought several times

about taking many medications and f*****g the child because she started to have this rejection. The connection with him had already broken. What she wanted was to get away and that's it, not knowing anything.

She says that she always dreamed this vision, Yeah. and she said that she woke up screaming, she woke up in unbearable pain, and the strongest moment was when she, after so many times she dreamed this, she lived it. How? She said that one night, she was praying to God,

and she said that she was falling asleep. And when she was about to fall asleep, she saw this shadow, she saw it present. And when she was about to fall asleep, she saw this shadow. She saw it. It wasn't a dream.

She says it wasn't a dream. She had already dreamed it before. This was real. This shadow enters the room and lies on her. She says she couldn't move.

And this thing, she sees her skin is lifting, like this is walking her, until it reaches her belly. And she says that the baby again starts to get restless. It starts to get restless. And she feels how this shadow takes over the power or control

and she poses there and moves the baby. Her husband was sleeping next to her and she didn't notice. She says that she was in a trance, she put her nails in her husband's arm because she couldn't move. So, in this desperate attempt,

she grabbed and put her nails in his arm so that her husband would wake her up. And when he woke up, she saw a red spot on the sheets. She quickly gets out of this trance because she wasn't asleep. What the husband says is that she was like this with her eyes open, looking at everything.

He says she gets out of the trance with a very strong pain in her stomach. The child was starting to move. He was very upset, and his heart started to beat very fast. He says that among the members of the ranch there was a doctor, a specialist.

They send him to call him quickly. He arrives and says that nobody gave importance to her. They were all trying to focus on the baby. They were all trying to...

They were focused on the baby. The baby. The baby. They didn't even ask her anything. They were like, how is the baby doing?

Everything was focused on the baby. Unfortunately, the news came out. The baby died. He was born dead. He says that the people of the ranch, the members,

were very bad, they were like... They were not sad, they were afraid, because they were dead. They didn't want this to happen. On the part of Sofia, she says, I felt peace, I felt relief,

but at the same time a remorse of, it's your son, why don't you feel sad? You have to be sad. But she, quiet, saw the body, I mean, it came out, the body expelled him, he was out, he came out, the body was expelled, he was purple.

He says that the priest, the pastor, I don't know who he was, Williams, asked to remove the remains, to give her medical attention. She stayed at home, there, receiving attention at the ranch with the members. He says that people with her changed again, it was no longer the ranch with the members. She says that people changed with her again. It was no longer the exaggerated attention she received. It was no longer like any member.

As soon as she could, Vanessa left that place. She says she planned an escape, just one night when everyone was doing night prayers and they were deeply asleep. That night she prepared to escape, de que todos estaban haciendo oraciones nocturnas y quedaban dormidos profundamente. Esta noche ella se preparó para escapar, correr y llegar al pueblo más cercano así, con ropa vieja, descalza.

O sea, de verdad, es como una película todo esto. Sofía dice que recibió ayuda, atención médica, pudo comunicarse con sus her family, with her friends. Trevor, when she comes back to live in Maryland, she starts looking for him again. She cuts off all ties with him. She didn't want to know anything.

But at the end of this story, she says, I never knew exactly who they worshiped in this community. I didn't know who they were. They talked about a presence, they talked about a spirit, but they never said directly like a God Yahweh or Jehovah. I mean, no.

They always talked about a spirit. And besides, he says, I was convinced that my pregnancy was manipulated by these people. se hablaba siempre de un espíritu. Y aparte, dice, yo estaba convencida de que mi embarazo fue manipulado por estas personas. Totalmente. Ahora dice, creo que esta presencia intentó apoderarse del bebé, pero fracasó. Por eso los miembros tenían miedo, porque lo que estuvieron ellos trabajando no se concretó. They were working on it, but it didn't materialize. The question is, what did they want when the child was born?

What did they want to give to the child? I do have a theory about this. This Mr. Williams said, your child is going to do great things, he's coming for something great. I think, I, that's my belief, that they were preparing the mother and the child Yo, esa es mi creencia. Que estaban preparando a la mamá y al niño

para que algo entrara en el niño y viviera la vida del niño. Algo.

Ah.

Cuando el niño muere. Por eso hay como un miedo de que nos van a, híjole, nos van a regañar, ¿no? La regamos.

Porque no cumplimos con la misión. No, el niño no aguanto muer... They're going to scold us, right? Because we didn't fulfill the mission.

No, the child couldn't take it. So, I believe that. Because he told his son, you're going to do things and you'll see. That's why he was so careful with his care. The problem is that the baby couldn't take it.

Probably this and he ended up dying. I see it that way, maybe I don't stand this anymore, and I ended up dying. I see it that way, maybe I don't know.

And you know what? I think it's complicated. Like, as a mom you say, well, this gives me peace, I'm done with this, I'm out. But you also say, well, it was part of me.

Sure.

How do I do it? And I think that there, unfortunately, what helped was that it was discorrected as time went by. So I think that was what helped. And hopefully this woman will never again in life, like the guy, who has a lip, will fall again.

Of course.

Yes, yes, yes. It's a very, very, very funny story. In fact, what he tells me at the end of the email is that this group is still active in Maryland. In fact, it's not just in Maryland, it's in another state. They changed their state.

There are no longer 40, there are 100 people.

Don't make it up.

And this man's ranch, which is not called Williams, we changed the names, is still active.

I can't believe it. It's still active.

And there's no one who's going to report...

She's the only one who's left. No invents. She's the only one, everyone is there.

And she never dared to report to the authorities what was happening inside that ranch. I can't believe it. I imagine she's not active. No, look, Paco, just briefly, a story happened. A story, now that you're talking about all this, a short story about a girl. A girl that... The young ones.

She has a boyfriend. The girl, at 18, gets pregnant. Just like the story you told. Y su novio, la chica a los 18 sale embarazada, igualito que la historia que tú contaste. El muchacho dice, oye, ¿sabes qué, mija? Yo me des lindo, yo nunca te dije que quería algo serio, yo no te veía para esposa, pues pasó, ahí te ves, ¿no? Para esto ella se había creado con su abuela, no tenía mamá, no tenía papá, y ella había sido muy unida con su abuelo, que ya no estaba, ya había fallecido. El punto es que ella decía, pues, no quiero tener

a este bebé, pero no me atrevo. Por mi mano, no me puedo atrever a yo hacer algo, ¿no? Tengo que buscar ayuda, tengo que hacer algo. El punto es que en estas reuniones de amigos jovencillos, salen de una fiesta, terminan en una casa, en la casa de una muchachita llamada Julieta, que de hecho esta fue la chica que envió la historia, Julieta. Ella cuenta como Marcela estaba esa them that night at the meeting,

and a friend they had in common says, the atmosphere is very boring, let me get something. Everyone thought he was going to get a piece of clothing, something to get happy. Get a board, son. I was pregnant with my daughter. For this, Marcela was already two months pregnant,

she was about to give birth. I hadn't said anything, only Julieta knew what was going on, but she hadn't said anything yet. So the boy was like, who's going to give birth?

And everyone was like, me. Marcela was like, I don't believe in that, honestly. They said, if you don't believe, then join us, nothing will happen. They were insisting so much, that Marcela also sits at the table, with all the ball, there were six,

with everyone to play with the board. They all put their hands on the pointer, ya sabes, la típica pregunta de ¿Hay alguien aquí con nosotros? Y la cosa así, empieza a mover, sí, no. Total que se llega a poner el ambiente muy así de que no está funcionando, entonces le dicen a Marcela, oye, pues tú que no crees, a ver, pregúntale. Ella pregunta, ¿Hay algo aquí con nosotros? And the pointer moves and says yes.

They ask this entity, what's your name? Maquel. His name was Maquel. For this, they start laughing, you're moving it, you don't know what. In that, the pointer dice, nueva vida.

Entonces, todos se quedan viendo de que nueva vida, pero la persona que estaba haciendo las preguntas, el control, era Marcela, y Marcela es la que está embarazada. Entonces, Marcela se queda de que, ay, no, no sé de qué está hablando, no sé qué. En eso se mueve el puntero, sí sabes. En eso, todos así se quedan así como que... ¿Qué está pasando?

El que llevó la tabla dice, oye, ¿saben qué? No, la verdad yo no me está gustando esto, porque se empezó a sentir esa tensidad, ese aire frío que sentimos tú y yo la otra vez, ese aire muerto que entró ahí de repente a la habitación. That dead air that suddenly entered the room. And the kid says, you know what? We better stop him here, no?

This is getting heavier. Says another person, Remember that we can't leave until this tells us yes. They ask, can we leave?

No.

They tell him, they ask him, what do you want? And he says, your baby. Uy. en eso empezó a sentir, como cólico, así de repente los cólicos, entonces ella dice, o sea, ¿qué está pasando? Esto no está bien. Después de mucho estar ahí dándole y dándole, esta tabla dice, ya se pueden ir, se retiran, ¿qué pasó? Tú le moviste, fuiste tú. Empezaron a echarse la culpa entre todos. Total, that's how they left it. Time passed.

And for some reason, I don't know, Marcela was left with the thought that if this thing was the only one... Julieta was the only person who knew about this.

How is it that... It's so detailed. I have to find this guy. I want to play again.

Oh...

They have a meeting, suddenly, and Marcela says to this guy, you know what? Bring the board again. Let's play. The point is that there comes a moment when they are constantly playing.

Marcela creates a bond with Maquel. But she realizes that it's a bond of friends. Her stomach starts to grow. In this, Maquel, she already gets a board alone. She was already alone, she would setting her candles in her house, and I started asking Maquel about her fate.

And he said, if you don't want him, your boyfriend or your partner, I can help you. And she said, oh, I feel alone,

I don't have anyone, and you only understand me. He, yo no tengo a nadie, y tú solamente me entiendes. Él en algún momento le dice, necesito algo que tú me puedas dar para yo sentirme fuerte y poderte ayudar. Ella se estaba creyendo todo el chorote

que le estaba diciendo esta cosa. Dame esa. Dice, Julieta lo que cuenta es que se supo que esta chica Oh. to pour blood on the table. Holy shit. Supposedly, she was giving this thing strength to help her overcome this whole pregnancy thing.

Sure.

Well, time goes by, the tooth keeps growing, but for this, Marcela was no longer Marcela. Marcela already spoke very strange. Even in the early hours, she would wake up and talk about things, dates, about people who had already died. In her zonambulism, she started talking about things that didn't make sense.

Grandma was scared because she didn't understand how she had reached that level. There comes a moment when the grandmother tells her, you know, it's something, what's happening to you? She says, nothing, I'm just trying to get through my pregnancy. One morning, she wakes up on the street and starts scratching the walls of her house. The next day, when she wakes up, she starts seeing that she's saying dates of the things that are going to happen,

of what's going to happen to her son, and of what she wants her grandmother to do with her son. la abuela haga con el hijo. Prácticamente una forma como de despedida extraña. La abuela pues dice, ha de estar pasando por su momento hormonal, ¿no? La llevan con los doctores, el doctor dice que todo está bien, pero sí se ve que ella está teniendo un momento acá de desconexión, o sea, de la realidad. Como que no está bien mentalmente, quizá por todo lo que está pasando,

su cuerpo, su cambio. Vamos a darle vitaminas de esto, y de esto, y de esto. Bueno, empezó a ir con una psicóloga. La psicóloga, así, le dijo, nuestra chava tiene un tipo de esquizofrenia con mi hijo, por como me está hablando y lo que me está diciendo, Wow. and they take her to the hospital. At that moment, you know what? The baby is coming. You can't wait any longer.

It's coming.

The baby comes out, and as soon as the baby comes out, they say that she only said, follow the wall. That's what she had written. And she dies.

It's true. The child, the child is born. y ella fallece. Espera. El niño, el niño nace. Para esto, la abuela no sabía qué onda con Maquel, no sabía ni qué onda. Ella pidió que al niño lo llamaran Miguel Maquel. A lo que cuenta Julieta es que al niño lo llamaron Miguel Maquel. to the world. I was seeing, days before he died, that the child's vision...

I mean, the child was totally transformed. The child's eyes were more dilated, they looked darker. And they would talk to him, take him to the doctor, and say, we don't know what's wrong with him. The child looks like he's in a trance of something, that he's trapped.

After having checked him and all that, four or five days later, Miguel Maquel died and he was buried with her. It was never known what was behind all this. Julieta Rovás knew that this was what was playing with her daughter. The indications were,

at that date, at this date, within this date, I'm going to leave. At this date, my son is going to leave. I mean, everything was very precise. It was...

This story was, if I remember correctly, it was in the year of 1983, 1984,, y fue en Chihuahua.

Híjole.

Imagínate, por si jugar Wii High es bien riesgoso para una persona normal, ahora una mujer embarazada que ya le hemos hablado en este podcast, se vuelve más sensible, te vuelves más perceptible a todo esto. ¿Qué es lo que tú puedes atraer a tu vida? It makes you more sensitive, you become more perceptible to all this. What is it that you can attract to your life? What fear, really, what fear, what way to end this podcast, that we got longer, I don't know how long, right?

Hey, that's true.

We got much longer, the truth was pretty cool. Vanessa, how did you spend it?

Delighted, happy, really. I enjoyed it a lot, especially the stories. So good that we didn't even realize how long we had been.

Exactly. Vanessa, thank you for giving us this talk. What a story, what a way to close. Before we go, please repeat to us. Social media, projects.

Puerta Paranormal by Vanny. I'm on TikTok, on YouTube, on Instagram. Well, projects, right now we are working a lot toita estamos trabajando mucho en meterle más contenido en YouTube. Porque mi canal fuerte pues es TikTok. Pero ahorita ya estamos trabajando para crecer también YouTube. Así que por favor vayan y a empezar a seguir.

Porque después voy a grabar con Paco. Y ahí va a estar el contenido con Paco también.

Ahí voy a estar en el canal. Ya saben, puerta paraanormal por Vane. The channel is in the description so you can go there and see the content that Vanessa has. And I remind you that there are forbidden stories that are on our website because this chat continues there. If you'd like to go, www.podcastextranormal.com.mx

See you there. My name is Paco Riasz and I'll see you in another episode puked up, but a green puke, like this,

puked up, and in her hands she had cockroaches.

She was eating them. She didn't want the kids to get close to her. She'd f*** them, s*** them, spit on them. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God.

Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God. Oh my God.

Oh my God. La mamá se a p***o por la ventana del segundo piso. No manches. Se p***o. Se m***o.