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I have practiced that something will happen because if there is a revolution, the victims will be the children themselves and the one who will support it is the one who doesn't follow anything this is called drowning in the water if this is not a smart person, it is impossible to be elected as a regent I dare to do that

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different from the previous presidential election, a lot of thinking you read it like that? I read it so it will happen But don't let the netizens say, this is a death sentence

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I need to be slapped by my pensioner NID alone spend money to help LSM In our country every project

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can be 300 thousand US dollars Every project Each project is worth US$300,000. What happened to our country? One side is saying that the land will be confiscated. The other side is already far away. That is freezing the people's accounts.

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One of them wants to take more money from restaurants, cafes, artists, etc. As if we are a nation that is easy to be oppressed. The economy is experiencing difficulties. The people are so heavy looking for jobs, looking for economic activities.

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We feel the purchasing of buying everyday, experiencing a decline. Then people see the injustice. There are many practices that are then watched by the people. The allocation of budget is also not on target.

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The money is the people's money. The higher the tax is paid by the people, remember, the people will become more aware that it is our money. We are the ones who pay them, we are the ones who pay them.

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Then they watch the inappropriate speeches, inappropriate actions, dancing in front of the people, the people are angry. Then the officials or our politicians say like this. Note, people who are only mentally dis'm a DPR stripper

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are actually thugs.

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Then we also see that there are quite a few officials who are different from the ones in front and behind. In fact, in reality, it is something that is often seen by different people. And as a result, it then penetrates into the community. Our community is getting smarter.

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We never thought that the movement started from a small city in Indonesia, Pati. Then we see the support of the people against the polling or the results of the research provided by the institutions to various government institutions. The public provides support in the form of mineral water, banana, food, to support the perpetrators who are opposing the officials who do not fulfill their promises during the campaign. The public moves until there is a demonstration.

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We feel the demonstration. And when they demonstrated, there were victims. When they demonstrated, they felt there was a repressive effort. Then, the office itself struggled to clean up all of that. As soon as the communication was corrected, it turned out that this could be a point of no return.

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What should the leader do? In the middle, we heard Mr. Hendro Priyono say that he knows who is behind all this. At the time, I will deliver. In the podcast with me this time, he will tell everything. Not only from the outside, but from the inside, there are actors who must be disciplined. Let's watch my podcast with Prof. Hendro Priyono, who is always present when I ask him to come to Cafe Brisi. Mr. Hendro Priyono, welcome back to Cafe Brisi.

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Thank you, Prof.

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You were talking about the Manifesto of Philosophy. We will discuss it later. But today, we see a lot of people asking, what is happening in the society? We need an intelligent analysis. Mr. Hendro, as a former leader of Indonesia's intelligence, you are an observer of developments, you know developments,

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you still have many friends in the field that you know, the shop owners. What do you see, that the events in Indonesia lately, it has a connection with foreign operators, right? Yes, I'm very sure. Very sure? Yes, because if I make a statement,

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I made a statement at the doorstop, I said this, many people were angry. Many netizens said I was on the doorstep. I said this. Many people were angry. Many netizens said I was bullying. Because I had to prove it. How to prove it? How to prove an intelligent operation?

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We have to analyze it sharply. It's like this, why this organization was expelled in Singapore? That's why Singapore is moving forward.

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In Indonesia, there was a recent Indonesia, Mr. Hendro, there's been a lot of things happening lately. It's because our officials are talking nonsense. We see that the taxes are rising, and it's a bit scary. We talk about taxes first, before we talk about the DPR, which hurts the people's feelings.

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When the people are more angry with the DPR, because they enjoy a lot of income, they take a lot of income, taking a lot of APBN, while the people are having a hard time, the work is harder, the children are not getting a job, and so on. We saw this before, the tax evasion and so on. This is actually our own business that caused it to be like this.

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Where do we read their role?

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Like this, Prof.

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Where is the analysis? In the strategic intelligence operation internationally. Every change in the society is a trend. It is a social phenomenon.

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But how can this trend change to a buzz? If it's a buzz, then it's like a snowball, it can be a crisis in that country.

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And this is what they read. So the social phenomenon has changed. What has changed? The way of thinking of the new office. A mayor, for example, he thinks about how to increase his PAD. In Kipas, I can't tell you who said it, but suddenly he did it. New taxes, 300 percent. Then he was welcomed to the land, 1000 percent. In Kipas, can it be from the Ministry of Home Affairs be the orchestrator.

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Because it's evenly distributed in almost all regencies. Yes, because they think about how to increase income only from taxes. For example, if the government thinks it's a good idea, there is no intelligent input. The muslims see that it is a very prominent factor in the region. The economic movement.

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Like Kantura. Kantura is lined up with restaurants, nightclubs, and all kinds of things. There is karaoke. Why not a restaurant,ubs, and many more. There's karaoke. Why aren't there restaurants, karaoke, and bus? That's what's taxed. And then it's burdened on the customers.

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Yes. The people who eat in the restaurant must be the ones who have money. Not the farmers in the PBB. In the regency, the farmers live off the land. Why is it that the PBB is was promoted. If you're not a smart person, you can't be elected as a mayor. But you're being whispered.

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This is the operation that pushes that social stigma, how to become a bully, is being made like that. And the weapon is the law. By giving the law, the rules that cause the riots, that's what they want. So, even though

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they're smart, they can be influenced. By the rules that have been played. From riots to riots. Now, if we look at the DPR, how come the salary is so high?

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Actually, the discussion about the DPR's income has been going on for a long time. For hundreds of millions of people, it's hard to find the UMR. This is what I said, this is a social phenomenon. But because

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it surprised the people, the people were surprised. And they are already old now. They see Scandinavia as Sweden. The members of the DPR are simple.

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Simple. People from the village, they live in the village. But they are members of the DPR. That's why some of them ride a bike to the office. But they stay in the village.

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Because what can change the mindset is the environment. If he moved to Jakarta, he was given a house, a car, this would change. Even though he was a former prisoner in the prison,

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when he sat down, he was different. It's good. So, it can change. But let him be in its environment. At that time, it became a member. It's not a representative of the people.

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Actually, our completion is good. There's DPR, there's DPD. Now, there are businesses to remove DPD. That's really... It's a fuss. It's made through regulations.

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And there's also a tax that's playing around. There is, Prof. There's a game. It's all made through regulations. And the taxes are also played around. Yes, there are. It's all played around. It's not logical. The budget is also played around. Yes, everything is played around.

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The budget is increased here, to make it balanced. So that it becomes balanced. That's called an intelligent operation, Prof. And people who don't understand and don't want to understand intelligent operations,

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or intelligent philosophy, they don't believe it. I didn't understand and didn't want to understand the intelligence operation, especially the intelligence philosophy. I didn't believe it. Thank you. I didn't believe that intelligence was this evil. That's why I made a manifesto to learn the intelligence philosophy.

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To have critical thinking. The ability to think critically. That this is not an intelligence operation, this is a terror operation. This is dangerous. And I remind the next generation, the next generation of the nation,

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I have been a professor for more than 80 years. Maybe I won't be able to accompany our nation. But I remind you to be careful. Be careful. Don't be influenced by these things. Don't be reactive. We can be angry because of the situation. But keep your head cool. Don't be angry.

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Being angry is damaging the public facilities. Public facilities are from the tax. We pay the tax, we damage it ourselves. That's not right. So, because the head is hot, we can't wait. But how can the people have a cold head

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if they see the police themselves crossing? The driver is a coward, the people have low income. For me, personally, because I have a lot of experience in intelligence, I have practiced that something will happen.

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Something because of a well-planned or incident? It can be both. But if I look at the incident that hit Almarhum Afan Kurnia, it could be an accident. Because the road was quiet at that time, the horse was shivering, and he crossed.

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So I saw it like that, it could be on purpose, I don't know. But the important thing is that the police and the police themselves, the police, the police, the police, the police, have come to collect the body and to express their regret, not just for fun. As humans, we can see the consequences of our actions as human beings. But people are angry with the recent events. It's been accumulated.

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We can't call it a nuclear war anymore. It's clear that they are in a war. Many people are upset. I hope, and I always remind people, that we want to achieve well, don't let it pass through revolution, don't let it pass like this.

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Because if we shout, shout, a peaceful demonstration, in the end it's impossible, it's impossible to be peaceful. Because it will definitely happen like this. Mr. Hendro has imagined that this will happen. That's why I said be careful. And this possibility of spreading will happen?

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Yes, it can. Because if it's a snowstorm, it can snowball and spread to the whole of Indonesia. It can. And it's hard to stop it. It's like it's hard to stop it if it becomes critical and a big conflict.

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This is called to the point of no return. The point of no return. The point of no return. We are at a point where we can't go back. We feel that we are wrong. Even though we have apologized, even though we have come to their house,

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we need the parents. It's too late. And I advise like my grandson. My grandson called me. My grandson is a woman. He asked me all kinds of questions.

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Why is my hand like this? I was asked by my friends. Because my name has a handwritten name. I said, I'll explain it. Like this, long and wide. It's hot. My scalp is on my phone.

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Because of the statement that this is from outside. Yes, I said that. I was so angry that I even had to use my phone to scoop it up. So it was an outburst of anger? Yes, I said that. He said, this is unfair. I said, yes, that's right. Your grandson said that? Yes, my grandson.

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I explained to him, you are smarter, maybe you have a sharper brain, but I experienced it. Since the collapse of Bung Karno was overthrown, since Pak Harto fell. That was also a point of no return.

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Yes, that was a point of no return. After he said in Egypt that he would not defend his power with the military, he would back down. That's more or less the view of the people. That's because it has reached a critical stage. So, this game, all social symptoms are played,

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how to be a joke. It's in... Let's have a coffee first. I like coffee. You can try this True Jiva. It's already here. We just need to pour it. We only need one or two drops. I'll try this one There you go

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And reduce the impact or prevent diabetes. Oh, that's good. And... why I... at the age of 80 years, I still walk straight.

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How, sir? Not hunched. Because I never... drink sugar. But But the other side is not good for my taste Because of this Maybe it's the answer

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That I also have to smoke sugar But it doesn't ruin Let's try it.

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How is it?

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It's amazing. It's good, right? Yes. You didn't use sugar, just a few drops from Stevia. There's something I want to tell you, don't let anyone drown in the Keru River.

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This is a demonstration I want our children to understand this. If Toh succeeds in changing something, it will eat its own children. Because if there is a revolution, the victims will be its own children. And the one who will support it, is the one who doesn't follow anything.

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This is called drowning in the water. Now, when the late victim died, if the police and the police station came, it's okay. But there are people who come, what is their relationship? Politicians. So I see that someone is already trying to fish in the Keruh River.

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What do you want to see in the Keruh River. What did you see? We saw it on TV. I was like, what's the connection? Why did he come? He should have come and apologized. The police, the president, they should have apologized.

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It was morally justified. But if someone came to Jogja, what's the connection? There was a phenomenon of fishing in the Keruh River and it always happens in every revolution. Prabowo became president, three articles were published. All of them are basically negative.

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And they said that under Prabowo's government, democracy will be destroyed. But on the other hand, Mr. Endro, one demo or demand is not only physically delivered, but it can also be delivered through social media.

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It is delivered and it is very crowded. It is very crowded, all young people are speaking and then it is delivered. Their goal is actually, if I read it, the goal is to discipline our own nation.

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Discipline the politicians. Don't be so self-satisfied. Think about the people. The regents, don't be so self-satisfied. If you want to apply for a tax, a tax that can be paid by the people, that is not harmful.

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Look around. And don't use it for misallocation. Allocation of money that is not in its place. Then, to the who said it was random. The people were angry with the PPRTK who booked their accounts.

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The people were angry with the members of the PPRTK who danced when the people were having a hard time finding work. They were called stupid and stupid. Then, the landowners also said that the land would be taken by the state. The land belongs to the state. This is a mess. Our officials are not sensitive, they speak randomly and watch things that shouldn't be.

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What can we expect to happen? Of course, the change that the people want is not just a revolution, but what is wanted is a change in behavior. Because this is like there is fire from outside, but here there were also dry branches that were easily burned. What do you want to see? Maybe there is a success that can change the behavior of our nation?

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I remember what Lee Kuan Yew said when he was praised by the PBB as a country that without having any resources can be the first world. He was praised by the PBB as a country that has no resources. Yes, he has nothing. He could be the first world. Yes, he has no paddy fields, no football field, no food resources, no energy. No water either.

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But what did he say? For the Singaporeans, number one is discipline. Democracy comes after. So, number one is discipline. Democracy is number two. What is this discipline, bro? This discipline is the behavior that is in accordance with the rules. Our rules

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have not been reformed since the reformation. So we don't talk about dancing, we don't talk about it in our rules. So we don't defend our moral values as an Indonesian nation. We don't defend it so that we can give color to ethics. Because morals are social entities. Ethics is global, universal. Our morals are actually not like that.

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We have a deep empathy for each other. It's impossible for us to dance on the dead bodies. That's not allowed. And why is this moral? Because of external influences. Universal influences.

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International influences. So it's a solution. How can we maintain ethics? If our morals are not solved. That's not a solution. That's a moral. If it's about the poor,

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why do we have to be rich? It's not clear. But don't try to bully the people who have the government. That's law.

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Law enforcement. That's politics. Don't go there. Actually, our Pancasila was inspired by San Min Chui. And Min Chui itu juga menjadi satu referensi buat Cina sekarang itu adalah

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pemikiran nasionalisme bagaimanapun Bangsa saya harus saya urus dulu dan itu urusannya adalah disiplin jadi aturan harus dibuat maka tabiat perilaku orang sesuai aturan yang dibikin. Di mana peran leadership Pak Hendro? Kan kalau ada analisis So the rules must be made, then the behavior of people is in accordance with the rules that he made. What is the role of leadership, Mr. Hendro? If there is an analysis like this, it is certainly necessary to go to the national leadership.

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The leader must take a position today. Call it the president, Prabowo Ilk. He is a person who has good education, a person who has a soul of a patriot. He always said, I am willing to die for this nation. Now he has said it. As a leader, he can't possibly not read this.

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He reads this situation. In this situation, the people hope that there will be leadership. For example, in our minds as a people, there must be a change. There are certain officials who don't perform, because this is a point of no return, they have to be responsible, be removed or withdraw. There are leaders who must be replaced.

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Secondly, there must be firm action towards those who make our values ​​ruined like this. What can you suggest, Mr. Henro? We are in this open forum, we can suggest, what is the best thing for the leaders? Yes, I am happy to be here, because we really hope that Mr. Prabowo can solve this problem that is so heavy for the people. I am sure, because for the past few years, since 1998 we reformed ourselves ourselves. We became a solution. Not a flood. A solution to the so-called liberal,

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to the neoliberal. And there, the government became less present. In education, the funds were getting less, etc. Neoliberal. Neoliberal became like this.

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Because what are the goals of Neolib? It is that the country is controlled by the market. The invisible hand. And there is no government's authority.

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Whereas, like Singapore, like China, like Vietnam. Oh, they are clearly present. And that's what we hope. So, what I said at the palace yesterday, They are present. And that's what we hope for Prabowo. So, what I said at the palace yesterday,

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when the doorstop was asked, it's not defending Prabowo personally, but we hope that his request, with the character that the professor said, God willing, can solve this problem. We don't expect too much

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in a liberal government. We don't expect too much from the liberal government. We look back, our country ruled in Southeast Asia for 234 years. 201 years before Columbus found America. 234 years with a country that was so rich and so well-off. There was no election, sir. I don't mean I say don't vote, but without a voter,

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the king shows his son, not limited to his uncle's son. Anyone's son, even a woman, he shows. So it's right to choose. If we are, because there are many people who choose, we get all kinds of narratives, lost, choosing the wrong person.

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What should be done by the president? There are some ministers who tend to be neoliberal. The president will immediately take disciplinary action, which is national discipline. It was once

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proposed by the previous president, but in my opinion, it was not planned well. It was not carried out. It was called a mental revolution. That's the story.

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What happened was actually good, but there was no implementation. We have Ada Gium, Moto, Bineka Tunggal Ika, which is implemented in Singapore.

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We have limited Bineka Tunggal Ika. I see the implementation in assimilation, not integration. We need integration. We don't have integration in our nation. Mr. Hendro, what is the concrete way to discipline?

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Discipline is number one. We make rules. The rules must be based on the fact that we have been old for 80 years. So there will be new rules? There must be. The internal rules, right? Managing yourself.

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Correct. Regulating the people. Regulating. We have to go back to our morals first. We have to remember that our morals were already lost when we were just independent. We were both in trouble.

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It was lost in the 1945 Constitution, right? So in the 1945 Constitution, we can still read the moral values. But after the 2002 amendment, the moral values are fading away. There are too many rules for the people. And even the people themselves find it difficult to follow. For the leaders, they need to be disciplined. Especially the leaders.

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That's not what I meant. The leaders need With the rules. Especially that. Second, do we need to be firm in the sense of what the people want? If we don't perform like that, it hurts the people's feelings,

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we should change it. And President Prabowo has that kind of personality. Today you use me, tomorrow I'll fire you. He's brave. It's different from the presidents who think a lot. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything.

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I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. I'm not going to say anything. I're old but healthy. Healthy. So, you really need to be disciplined. Yes, Prof. Number one, you need to be disciplined. The politicians, party members,

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those who are in the daily life of the people, of course, the regional leaders. Because the regional leaders today are having fun with their selfies, with their games, and often times they play those dramas. Maybe that's also a simulacra.

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Something that... Simulacra, this is Mr. Aydro who introduces the word Simulacra. Simulacra, if I read from his philosophy, he said that there are four levels. The first level is like a painter. The second is like a cartoon, to reflect a certain way.

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But then there is also a fake are fake. The reality is fake. And this is also played a lot by our leaders, different front and back. Say like Noel yesterday, who was arrested. Defending the hunter and so on. Or the one behind, receiving the order.

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Like that, at least that's a fact that was conveyed by the KPK. What can we do? So that our community also has additional references. Based on what I have experienced. So I may not be able to analyze much,

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but I will present more facts. The first is about the manifesto of the philosophy of intelligence. It spreads widely to the international world. manifesto filsafat intelijen. Ya, itu menyebar luas ke dunia internasional. Ya, Prof. Alhamdulillah banyak tanggapan dari dunia internasional, terutama yang menjadi korban dari operasi intelijen yang liar. Jadi praktik intelijen yang liar ini artinya yang menjauhi dari praksisnya. The wild intelligence practice is far from the practice.

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The only way we can read the intelligence operation is to refer to the free value practice or the practice. That's just the intelligence philosophy. And this intelligence philosophy is similar to the international intelligence operation of the world's hegemon, the United States. Super power. Super power. He has carried out intelligence operations several times

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and has a long history. The most eye-catching thing we saw was when intelligence reported to the US government that there was a weapon industry in Iraq that destroyed the mass market. But it was not proven. It was the Saddam Hussein era.

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Yes, and it was destroyed. The country was destroyed. The oil was taken. But if it was not proven, then what? There is no accountability. This can only be read if people who study intelligent philosophy can immediately read that this is not true.

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This is not an intelligent operation, it's a terror operation. If the world has declared this as a terror, it should be listed in the PBB, in the number one ranking of terrorism. And so, it's not a random operation. This intelligence operation is based on slander, simulacra, hoax, which misleads the public were involved in the corruption, and some who were involved in the hoax. They were the ones who were spreading the opinion

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and thereby legalizing corruption and genocide. When I declared the manifesto of the Intelligent Society, many countries supported the scientists, especially those from the intellectual community. They should ask the government to implement the curriculum in the universities. The intellectual class is actually, in the intellectual philosophy, like a pancaindera.

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A pancaindera cannot hit like a hand, kicked like a leg, or bombed someone's country. That's not intelligence. Intelligence is only Panca Indra. He saw, he saw everything, he heard. He reported to the brain. He reported to the government.

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The government then chose the alternative course of action. One of them. And he took it. And that's actually... Not only did he follow, but he also operated. to choose the alternative course of action. And that's actually... Not just following, but also doing operations. The operation is to prove something.

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Not just attacking, destroying. That's not allowed. Intelligence is not like that. It's not the job of intelligence. So if intelligence doesn't learn its philosophy, it's mixed.

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So the intelligence is alone with the army. Like America, CIA is often alone with the American army. Intelligence in the country of Adidaya, what we mean is the steps in the world are based on open and closed intelligence reports. Open and closed, among others, he has a think tank. The think tank is called the Council on Foreign Relations, CFR.

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And this CFR was chaired or coordinated by David Rockefeller. This is in the US? Yes, in the US. His position was in Washington and his branch was in New York. Among others who appeared, besides the people I mentioned earlier, there was George Soros, there was also George Tenet, who was the CIA director.

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He was the one who was responsible for the information on the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. And he was a member.

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Until now?

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He's 94 years old. Yes, but his thoughts were thrown into a non-state organization, the NGO. But this NGO, well, there are smart people in it, there is Condoleezza Rice, George Bush, this has a great impact on the State Department. So the State Department, the US Department of State, took the steps, the course of action that it chose,

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it was basically because of this think tank. So those steps, like plowing the soil was because of this think tank. So, those steps, like swallowing your breath, because of this think tank. Now, I see he's playing. He's playing like this. There is an organization called National Endowment for Democracy. NED.

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And NED is everywhere. It is very difficult to prove that they give funds and then use it for demonstration. That doesn't exist. This is an intelligence operation called clandestine. So there is a two-faced operations. This is given, for example, funds that are given to one of our junior high schools.

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I don't want to mention the name of our junior high school, because these are our own children. Poor, let our children work. And they may not understand, right? Understand that. Don't understand and.... They can't understand.

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I mentioned the NGO, because this is a foreign company. And he's not from here. NET gives funds to LSM. Our LSM, which I mentioned earlier. But this LSM, whether they feel it or not can feel it or not, you understand it or not,

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but the reason is always for the environment, for the conservation of the environment. That's good, right? That's good, but it doesn't bind, so it means you can use anything. This is what I'm worried about. So it's hard to control. If we say, Ned, do you know why it's so deep here?

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He will say, no, I just give funds. Up to 250 to 300 thousand US000 per project. That's something that can be used or misused, it's up to the situation. How to be able to contribute to an action. The net is evaluated by the US government, by the US government's think tank, the NGO. It works. When we reformed, they sponsored and dictated. So the Amendment of the 1945 constitution

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in 2002 was worked by us, our own nation. But it was whispered by them. Dictated by them. Here's the thing, Prof. In the modern war, this war is no longer just about military war,

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military weapons. It's different. No, now this is a war of culture, then a war of information. The war of culture is through films, through music, through whatever.

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Born in one piece, for example. It's like shooting, like a tic-tac. That's culture. Then law. This is in 1998, a national figure

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who played a role in amending the 1945 Constitution until he became a bully and smelled like a neoliberal. That was considered a success story. The one you mean, he's still alive, right? He's still alive, but they are more senior than me.

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They are very old. But, he is the only Indonesian who speaks at the forum that we had before. CFR. He speaks there.

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And the people who I mentioned earlier, their names are well-known. But they don't admit that I di dictating them. They influenced through the organization, in 1998, NED, National Empowerment for Democracy, NED.

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It was also played in Malaysia. Then, what they played, what they used to use the law. How did he do it? He did it by doing this. He didn't like the country he didn't like. Indonesia is not liked by him now.

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Why? Because he is considered a full member of the BRIC. He is a Chinese citizen. That's an accusation. Even though it's not 100% true. But it's been considered as a contradiction to their interests. America's interests are in contradiction.

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Threatening the population as a superpower. That's right, Prof. That's what we often find difficult to explain. So, Mr. Andrew sees it there, right? How, Prof? Mr. Andrew sees it, the point is, because there is a threat

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of us entering the Brexit. Right. And that's what we aim for. Like other Southeast Asian countries. Then, this Net, because it's his job, his function is to give interest. He got money from the Congress,

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eternal funds from the Congress. He gives bribes to countries that he considers not profitable for him. And this always flows to the LSM-LSM in the target country. And of course there must be a dire catalyst. This money is sent for the environment,

38:28

for democracy, building... It means topics that are hot. That are hot and reasonable, that can be accepted. It's just played from the legal side. Like for example, there is Freedom House. Freedom House gave a rating about Indonesia's freedom of opinion, freedom of press, freedom of...

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How much? It was rated 4th free. So, it's not free. Even though we are more free than America itself. But we are not partly free. So, we are here. And the money comes in here.

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The index comes in here. I once, when Colin Powell came to Indonesia, I had breakfast with him. The Minister of Defense? At that time, he was the Minister of Foreign Affairs. I said, don't disturb my nation. I also want to move forward.

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Our country wants to move forward. Don't disturb it. Who is disturbing? Your NGO. I mentioned the name, FR. He said, we don't fully understand. But they are dangerous people. Like Soros is there.

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He said, oh yes. You see, Indonesia now, at that time, when I was still active, Indonesia was no longer Soros or our Our project is now going to Africa. He said that? He said that. So, you have LSM, you build it. You control it. I was surprised by those words.

40:18

It means that his NGO is also controlled by him. That's the reflection. Non-government, but controlled by the government. He gave me advice like that. Indeed, the cadre in us, including in our political parties, needs to be reexamined. Because, as I once told Prof. Renau,

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let's take China as an example. There are seven levels of education, from the basic level of Chinese, to the advanced level, and so on. Seven levels, just like our teaching, the seven levels of heaven. Only the advanced level can sit in the country's leadership. It's not like the Chinese.

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What does Chinese mean by puppet? An ordinary person. An ordinary person who is not well-informed, who doesn't have a character. Because he has served in a high-ranking office, he joined the political party,

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and became a councilor. That's not right. So, what is right? He himself has not been selected as a cadre. He has served as a president, as a member yet. He's only been in office. For example, he was once president, governor. When he joined the party, he was the top.

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There's another one who's never been anything.

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That's it.

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That's how we can... Populism.

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Yes.

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Why? Populism. Yes, populism. And we will later be like... We'll see the western countries that are dominated by the ruling party.

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Because we elected the president as a puppet. And when he learns, when he is decadorized, the whole nation will be destroyed. This is also an important lesson for our nation. But it is also an important lesson for the president. In electing a cabinet member, you can't do it randomly.

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You can't, for example, I'm sorry, we know that the person who was arrested yesterday, a few times before, was his driver. But the president gave a hint, please arrest him if he is... That's a sensitivity.

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I see this as a positive thing. So I give them a chance, but the people have to be aware. It's normal for the people to be angry and to say what they want. I don't defend anyone. I just remind them to be careful. Don't let this be thrown into the fire. Don't let this be thrown into the fire. Some people are drowning in the Kuru River.

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It won't be successful. That's the essence of what you said. I'm worried about drowning in the Kuru River. So, the result is the failure of Arab Spring. That's all. It's not expected by the Arabs.

43:00

And it also happened in Syria, because America really didn't like Bashar Assad. And then immediately he was laid to rest and presented as the leader of Al-Qaeda. Al-Qaeda? Junaid was from Al-Qaeda. He was the president in Syria. It was not in line with the reformist ideals. Mr. Andrew, recently the people have been filled with hoaxes.

43:27

Spreads of information that make people believe that President Prabowo will only be president for two years. After that, he will be replaced by someone else. Many people believe that. The people believe it. Then there are many other hoaxes that are also very disturbing.

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There are arrests that are exactly the opposite of the effect in terms of economy and also cause price changes. For example, the case of Oplosan rice. Oplosan rice was arrested and the perpetrator was indeed a criminal.

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But then what happened was the rice vendors did't want to work. They were afraid that the rice would be stolen. As a result, the price of rice changed. The minister said, supply rice, surplus and so on. But the people felt that the more they bought rice, the more expensive it became.

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It kept increasing and so on. What do we need to understand? There is a gap between conclusion and fact. It is surplus, but the conclusion and the fact. It is a surprise. But the quality is not measured. For example,

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the calculation can be done in one area, not all. The farmer, with all the harvest, he sells it to the block. But, because they want to get a lot of money. So, they sold it. And the storage at that place

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became a waste of broken rice. And this was already counted. It was counted as a surplus. Yes, as a surplus. Even though it was scrap. It was already a waste.

45:03

That's right. And it's like trash. That's right. And God's will, it's like this. Because I was once a Secretary of Development Operations. And that position is actually not there now. Now it's replaced by the Presidential Office. But that's the organization of the deputies, the staff organization. So, it's just from a lot of tables.

45:24

In the past, the organization was under the command. So, coordinating the four urgent banks. This urgent bank coordinated the ministries. So, all the urgent banks reported. Not the banks reported me, I reported the president at that time. So, I saw there about the rice. Back then, I told you, maybe don't be angry,

45:50

maybe now it's a different size. Back then, we had a segment of who. So, the plowing was for what? Rice like Rojolele, it was

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directed to the heaven. The upper part. The lower part was for the rice is directed to the heaven. The one below is the rice of the Pemilion. It is cut in half so that the medium can get it. But the price is higher. The price is higher. So don't open it below.

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That was the rule back then. Now I see that because everything is taken, I don't understand why this price can be high. That kind of thing depends on professionalism here. It means we can't just rely on reports or reports from officials. This is clear.

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Because this is a real result of the people's suffering. Because there is no rice, the price will rise. I also think that all of this, again, like what you said, Prof. If it's possible for the people who sit as representatives of the farmers, it's the farmers themselves, the farmers who are still farmers. Don't be a farmer. Don't be a farmer who has become a bureaucrat.

46:58

If he has moved to Senayan, it's different. So from your village, in which RT, for example. It's the from your village in the RT. He's a farmer, not a wage earner. He can tell us. He can work as a wage earner for his transport. But he stays there.

47:18

Because humans can change depending on the environment. The environment changes, he changes. But if the environment stays, but the mind is still there. Things like this should be put in the law. So people who follow the law are disciplined. Discipline is people who behavior according to the rules. That's discipline.

47:45

Back then, people wanted to be a minister, but there was a tight selection. There was intelligence, there was information, what kind of person he was. Back then, did you get asked to be a minister? Did you learn from the people behind you?

47:59

What about now? I'm not saying it was better back then. But I've experienced this before. I was once the director of the strategic intelligence body that selected people to be the leaders. The leaders above that.

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For example, the ministerial candidate. There was a ministerial candidate at that time that was wanted by the president. Then I looked for information about him. So before people knew, you already knew about this person, right? I know. I looked for information about him, even to his school, to his friends, starting from elementary school, junior high school, senior high school.

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I met this person who once beat his mother. Mother of the pregnant woman. I reported it. This person is smart, but he once hit his mother. On the day of the election, the president said, no, no, it won't happen. This is one of them.

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Unfortunately, today politics is in the front. So there must be a bargaining between the political parties, they must also pay and so on. So there are quite a lot of influences. Yes, that's it. The difficulty of Mr. Prabowo now is that he is a bit of a snitch. And snitching also turns out to be a choice.

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We can't hold a knife, he bites, right? This is dangerous, it can cut. And in front he can be a scourge, but in the back, he suddenly has his own game. That's right, Prof. And this is only 10 months, right? As president, he still has to select, he still has to select, so many people are gathered for unity.

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And I'm sure, one by one, these people who are really losing will be released. It's impossible to keep holding on. Have you talked to them? I've never talked to them, sir. You've never talked to them? The Raboboi is a loudmouth, loudmouth.

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He never talks to anyone. But if it's like that, then we'll ask. Why? He's one of those who are also senior and give information to him, right? Give input and so on. Maybe you've been invited to talk.

50:08

I actually once became the Minister of Transmigration of Mr. Harto. So before... Oh, before Mr. Harto fell? When Mr. Harto fell, I became the Minister of Transmigration in the era of reformation. And this continues. It means since the new order until reformation. And this continues. Meaning, from the New Order to the reformation,

50:26

I read about that journey. And I also had a long relationship with Prabowo since I was young. I understand. Because leadership is not just knowledge, but art. His art is, first, his IQ is high. They have a high IQ. And they are firm.

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They take action firmly. They don't compromise. So, if people say that the Bulewans are arrogant, that's not true? How can you judge someone who's only 10 months old? If you judge someone, don't do that.

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I'm not... I saw the comments on the internet. They said I was a pervert. What do you mean? I'm not a Komodo. I'm not a pervert. And for what? Whatever I was given, it was all too late. Because I was given, it was all too late. Because I was already over 80. I just wanted everything to be systematical.

51:31

So, I wanted the current generation to be better than my generation. Back then, we didn't understand. That's the moral of our generation. That's the moral, Prof. So, the moral are very important. In the past,

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we, just us, we didn't dare to do anything. We didn't even dare to hold our heads up. Because we respect it. But now, we're just pointing our heads.

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In front of the wall. I see that the moral value has changed. This is because of the influence of the environment. The analysis of the people, the people read, we read from what has been said. That today they feel that there are two things.

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The first is the movement of Mr. Jokowi's supporters. They seemed to be dissatisfied with Mr. Prabowo. The second was that they said, we were about to attack the DPR, but suddenly the other side was attacked, which was the police.

52:40

Because the police suddenly took such a step. As if on purpose, so that we don't go there, but we go here. Turned like that. What is Pak Henro seeing? Let's discuss first, about what the community has said.

52:52

Oh, this seems to be the game of Pak Jokowi's gang. This is Pak Jokowi's supporter, it seems. Who will stalk Pak Prabowo. This is happening in the community, these days. Like this, that's a social analysis. Analysis is okay as long as the facts are valid. Analysis is a pile of facts if the facts are lacking.

53:12

He sharpens this analysis so that it leads to a good conclusion. The action plan is also good if the facts and data are accurate. The supporting is right. That's right, because we need to understand the difference between right and wrong. Right is like we want to shoot, this is right, if this is wrong, but if it hits, it's not. If it doesn't hit, it's not right. So between right and wrong. So we can assume this is a dam, but I have said that all of this can be delayed,

53:48

there may be someone who is drowning in the Keruh River, it can be. But if he started from the beginning, I don't believe it. Like I said earlier, that NID alone, to help the elementary and high school students. In our country, each project can be worth US$300,000. Each project. 300,000, how much is that? Around 45 million?

54:15

And that's for the project. And it's also not fully funded, as I said. There's the IRI,, Institute Republic of Indonesia. It's also played everywhere. So if the net is a report to Congress and immediately funded by Congress, the IRI is also funded directly from the CRF.

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So, this means that the analysis must be supported by facts first? Yes, facts first. So, the facts must be collected first? Yes, but it can happen if fishing in the Keru River. Or if he takes a lead in the competition. That's why I said, I don't agree or disagree.

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But I think you should be careful. So that you remember that what you are fighting for, can be satisfied with you in the final. But it's not your goal. I hope it will be like that. Be careful.

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The second one, about the people who were angry at the DPR. Then it happened to the police and the police station was attacked. The people were angry. Because there was a martyr. Someone died. That's what I'm very worried about.

55:46

It's automatic. And it can become a bigger problem. It can, and it doesn't have to be recalibrated. Because whatever the social law says, that the mass doesn't have a personality. So the personalities that fill the mass,

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the mass crowd, disappear. Crowd mind. space of this space are gone. Crowd mind. From individual mind to crowd mind. Crowd mind. That's it. Crowd mind is not really a mind. It's whatever we put in the space of this space, we never have a clear mind.

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It's gone. It's gone. It's like an animal. There's one who screams, burn! Everyone joined. Even though he knew that it was a bad deed. That's what I always ask.

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Please be careful. You can be hot-tempered, but your head must be cold. Don't let us... hit the water on the rod, and get splashed on our own face.

56:40

So, that's an incident. From that incident, the people moved there. And it can spread. Yes, it's dangerous. And the agenda for the DPR could be shifted here. Prof, this could be, from the social phenomenon,

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become a social shock, and become critical.

56:57

That could be.

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And then it could be critical, it could cause, for example, the Dintegration of the DPR. Then what next? What is to be done? Be careful. That's all. Thank you very much for sharing a sharp analysis, as usual. And in my opinion, this is an important lesson for all of us.

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It's up to you to evaluate all of this. But it has been reminded that the revolution is often not enjoyed by those who are inferior. But there are others who are in the water and there are also other parties involved. But the movement is needed to discipline, to change the behavior and return to morality and return to justice return to the values ​​we have and that's what we always keep so it could happen that there are indeed inappropriate behaviors

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and it must be returned, the function is to control like that I hope this is a picture for all of you Thank you very much, Mr. Endro Thank you, Prof Thank you, Prof and stay relevant

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