Rantai Komando Intelijen Tentara dalam Teror Air Keras kepada Andrie Yunus | Bocor Alus Politik

Because we realized that this was an intelligent operation. Where did the conclusion come from that this was an intelligent operation? This is part of the scenario, the big scheme, the embryo of power that is hollow, which in the end becomes a power that cannot adjust itself and insult its citizens. We feel, why is the country or the country that positions us is dangerous. What is dangerous about the contrast of the ILBI?

The voice of activists is not the ATHG, their language, not a threat, challenge, obstacle and obstacle. It is the voice of activists, journalists, that is the instinct, that is the vitamin, that is the duty as a democracy. In our language, this is the meat's kidney. And as long as this kidney is attached to the meat's body, the bile and the blood, this kind of problem will keep happening. It has to be removed.

Remove the kidney? What's the point of this?

There you go.

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Can you tell us? Yo, welcome back to Bocarus Politics, I'm Stefanus Pramono. And I'm Remon Dusrikang. Yes, friends, on March 12 at night, our friend, activist Kontras, Andri Yunus, experienced a murder attempt with hard water spilling and it hurt him very much. And we at Tempuh of course condemn this action and also hope that Andri Yunus can recover and also be more enthusiastic in carrying out his works in Kont contrast and as a HAM activist. And during the holiday, we also tried to search for various findings.

And we have also obtained quite a lot of evidence there. And later you can read the complete article in Tempo magazine. We have got a lot of evidence there. You can read the full story in Tempo magazine. We also collaborate with civil society. That's why we are here. Dimas, as the coordinator of Kontras,

and Andry, and the chairman of the Indonesian Law Agency, Bang Isnur. Welcome, Dimas Bang Isnur. Thank you, Rikang, Uncle Pram. And of course, it's related to Pram, that Andri

was also here, Pram. Correct. If you can see the recording of Bojor Alus Politik at that time, I was with my friends discussing how

the terror experienced by Contrast after Andri and his fellow civilians tried to continue to fight the military expansion efforts after the revision of the TNI law. At that time, Andri was the guest star and of course, the presence of Andri and his fellow civilians

is a form of spirit, also transmitting courage and hopefully it will continue to transmit between us Amen What is the latest news from Andri himself? Yes, Uncle Pram and maybe the chairman of Sabo Cor Alus to inform about Andri's condition

for 13 days, the incident period is calculated from 12th of March until now Andri's condition is improving His condition is stable and there are already 3 major operations done by the team of Dr. Rumah Sakit Ciptomangun Kusumo which we really appreciate Even the chief director who gave attention

and also gave a number of steps to ensure that all medical steps can also be taken and can also be pushed to the maximum the last condition, the initial diagnosis when Andri was just hit by a hard water flush he experienced a burn wound, almost 20% due to acid-grade 3 fluid in the right temporal bone

including the face, shoulder, and lower body Secondly, there is also eye trauma that causes 40% damage If we use a scale, it is a scale of 1 to 4 It is quite severe according to the doctor But, alhamdulillah, the condition of the eyeball and pupil is still intact The damage is the cornea

So the team has done all kinds of efforts to immediately perform the recovery of the function of vision By doing stem cell, moving the top left eye cell from the left eye to the right eye and yesterday the last action, the third action was on the day of the earthquake yesterday and the operation lasted for 4 hours to do a hard skin graft on the neck, on the shoulder

and also do a skin operation on the eyes because there was a bloodstream that was clogged so the team doctor did an action to return the bloodstream function so that it can regenerate independently but the point is, the conclusion is that Andri's condition is stable Andri's condition is improving, he is recovering, he can talk, he has delivered his message.

I have also informed that tonight I was at the political forum, met with Mr. Pram and other friends, and that became one of the things that he really appreciated. Sympathy, empathy and also solidarity from all friends, the Indonesian people, it is a strength not only for Andri, but we are all in the civil society group, that the terror that happened and hit Andri, but also for all of us in the civil society that the terror that happened and afflicted Andri is not the end of the struggle.

That's a strong message from Andri. And lastly, the condition is still being taken care of intensively, Mas Pram, at the HCU, so not many people can visit freely, only family members and also friends at the office, at the Contras office. Okay, today, when I'm not a member of the family, and also my colleagues at the office.

Okay, today, when the taping of Bocor Alus was on Thursday, exactly two weeks after the incident that Andri experienced. Civil society colleagues have also gathered the material about what happened to Andri, how the political context and so on maybe Mr. Isno can give a little context, what has been done by civil society friends in order to also complete the information we need to continue to monitor this Andri case

So actually, what is it, our responsibility, we actually increased it after Augustus we reported August in August. The fact-finding committee revealed the involvement of the army in the August incident. We actually have asked our friends to upgrade the surveillance. But the system has already started to work. There is a team to find the facts, and then there was a body system.

We were all on CCTV. At the same night, we had already communicated with the police. Because we realized that this was an intelligent operation. We communicated with the police, saying, please secure the police station and all the evidence.

And our friends at the policeKP and all the evidence. And my friends in the SSB also immediately secured all the evidence. Where did the conclusion come from that this was an intelligence operation? Because the terror to the country has been going on for a year, since the Fermont incident. Then the judiciary was appointed by the TNI. Andrew was also a witness in that judiciary.

Then the release of the Augustus event. So, this is a series that we predict that the threat will increase to us. Contrast is coming from the combat vehicles, for example. The repeated ones.

Andre told us about it here.

It's coming to the parents of the earth. Then, in the LBHI office, in the contrast office, there are people who are not clear in front of it. It's already there. We have guessed that this is not an ordinary society, not an ordinary crime. This is really targeted, Andri.

That's why that night we immediately helped everyone. And the fact-finding team that previously helped us in August, has immediately worked. When we had a press conference on Friday, on the 4th, 13th we announced that we will form

our own team of fact-finding so we gathered all the CCTV that we could get we gathered the possibility from Celios, from ILBI Contrast, location

and then we also asked for help from our friends who know where and when Andri is. So we talked to everyone. And we asked, what is Andri's advocacy? What is his advocacy?

And we have been discussing from the beginning, this is the direction. But this is a large team, right? The KPF team, right? There are you, there are other friends too. But why Andri? Did he bring him to Fairmont? Yes. But are's other friends too But why Andri? That he's in Fairmont?

Yes, but are there other people too? Because I also heard that you are also one of the TOs In this operation Well, I don't know But maybe like this When it comes to the Fairmont Festival

And also Andri as a witness I suspect Andri is the top of mind People are looking for the most famous person on social media. The exposure. Even though in August, Andri's name is on the top of the KPF report.

We were surprised when we read the report. Andri's name is on the top. Because it's the initial, A, Abjad. Even though we said that the answer for the fact-finding was us the Yelbihayi administration, the contrast administration, the Jakarta AB and when the investigation was done, we were the one who investigated

there was no Andri there so we don't know why it was Andri but regardless of anything, for me, this is a target. But I might add, why Andri? That's also a question that often haunts me, actually. Because no matter how structurally, if there is a target,

the target is definitely the head of the institution. But if I try to look back, what Mas Isnur said was true, that the context of the attack on Andri is because of his exposure in the public space. Especially when it comes to the advocacy of the military reform sector. When he was a witness in the Vermont case, when he was involved as a witness, and then in the KPF in solidarity with the Augustus Pascaprahara,

he also appeared as a legal team, a lawyer team who acts as a support for political defense and that exposure is maybe one of our doubts is to be a tool of these terrorists to then target Andri. Andri's position in Kontras is actually a coordinator, he is the leader

and the function is advocacy. So he is the face in front of the front of the contrast advocacy. And in many public spaces, Andri is the one who appears. Besides Dimas. So, these two people are the front of the contrast.

Okay, if we see, this means there is a repetition, right? From Augustus, then until now. Until that, there is also intimidation from many influencers. G.J. Dhoni, Sherry. Right. Here it is more and more revealed that the intelligence is not just collecting information, but also proven to be a terrorist to the activists

and this is actually a pattern old pattern old pattern and you guys also expect to get this kind of attack, right? the contrast, this ELBI has been born since 1970 contrast 1958

but the pattern has actually formed a kind of trail events such as the Ambon incident, the Poso incident, the operation of the green force, the Munir assassination incident, the air-class carrier incident, the pattern is the same. The pattern is the same. It was done by a country that has the strength, has the ability to do that. I would like to add, it seems that because of that factor,

because of the historical reasons, the LBI, the contrast, and the other civil society. But don't forget that there is an embryo of power that is still in its infancy, Uncle Pram Mas Rikang. Where gradually, some of us have discussed that it has been directed to the authoritarian regime. And this is also one of the readings. I have been invited by my fellow journalists to say that there is a threat of militarization. There is a threat of a very authoritarian power,

which is directed at the iron fist. And this can also be one of the things that we can read as a threat or a message that today's situation is not directly or possibly not only in Andri. But this will also be one of the terrorist series which if there is no comprehensive solution, no comprehensive intervention this will still happen

attack phenomena, even yesterday I also got information some students who are in solidarity with the heavy water supply to Andri that also got a threat digitally what does it mean? It means that there is a power that today feels that it is not comfortable with the current situation.

Including the narration that is a bit of a curse. Tempo was said several times that it is a foreign attack. We also got accusations or allegations from several parties. So this is part of the scenario, the big scheme, the embryo of power that is in full swing

which in the end becomes a power that cannot regulate itself and insult its citizens I want to talk to you for a moment, and later to Dimas, Dimas because we also collect information, right, bro? information before we pull back, before the heavy flooding. From the information we collect, from people who follow and investigate this case, actually there has been monitoring or surveillance of Contrast's friends

a few months before the water supply to Andri happened. What was the mitigation? Of course, there were friends of the YLBHI, civil society friends who investigated or made a report to the Constitutional Court about the TN Law and so on.

What was the mitigation at that time? I want to name the patterns first. Patterns from all intimidation, starting from Tempo, for example, no one is revealed. It means that if the police can't reveal it,

it means they find the problem of the institution or big politics. What is the evidence that cannot be revealed? Well, for example, from the Munir case, we know that the execution of the Munir murder is the command to a the Munir assassination were high-level. And they needed the TPF. So we pushed for the TPF.

What was the mitigation? We felt that the countries that positioned us were dangerous. What was dangerous in contrast to the ILBI? Aren't these the tasks that should be in a democracy? Critical voice like a journalist is needed by a democratic society. That's why you feel what's wrong with us.

Why should we be afraid? The question is, we are safe, we only speak, voice criticism, and that's a fact. Everything is a fact. What is done? We finally, the standard is, for example, using the SOP, if you leave, we followed the standard, for example... ...using the SOP, if we're leaving or going home, we shouldn't...

...walk the same path. We should be accompanied wherever we go. We should check our phones. We shouldn't have any malware or spyware. That's the standard we have. We don't have the ability to...

...to be in the guard force... ...or in the armed forces. And we can't stop... ...to deliver that activity. Because it's an obligation of the institution. We don't want to talk about it anymore. The facts of Ba'is' involvement,

Ba'is' members in Augustus, we reported in the committee of facts seekers, those are the facts found in the field. The results of the investigation of the team of facts seekers. So, that's what we can do. Actually, if you say that,

what is the thing that cannot be revealed by the police? Meanwhile, a few days ago, we heard in the bank, Prabowo's interview with a number of experts and journalists in Hambalang at that time, and we heard it ourselves, hundreds of millions of Indonesians watching YouTube, that the president said it he must reveal his intellectual actor

Well, this is what I regret, why the police also although we appreciate the positive, in 6 days we can reveal the name and video but why do we have to wait for the president's signal? Does the law enforcement always have to wait for the president's signal? Is there a hindrance to the power there to enforce the law enforcement always waiting for the president's signal? Is there a barrier to the power there to enforce the law? If that's the way, every time there's intimidation to activists,

to the wall, to the media, we have to wait for the president's signal. How can the law work? But also, in my opinion, it means that there is what we call a big operation. And that big operation cannot be done by an individual. And if we look at the two incidents, in Augustus' riot in 2025 and also in the one that hit Andrew Nus,

this involves the same organization. Is it only an individual? Is it true that our duty can only be directed to the top of the leadership? In the military doctrine, whether it's the Saturday of the Marka, the Sumpah Prajurit, the 8th of Wajib, the TNI, the TNI Law, all say the same principle. There should be no indiscipline outside the government.

Everything must be based on the government and the command. And in the experience of finding, contrasting, and benefiting, all operations of intelligence operations are based on the structure of the command which is up to a high level. So, from these two patterns, there is a trait. Every trait, there must be a next trait.

Every attempt to remove the trait, there must be a trait that is left behind. The question is, what is the legacy that is now being lost, left behind, or erased from Andriy Yulus? For us, when there is an effort to convert the President, at the same time, when Pol Damethoja wants to convert the President,

we ask ourselves, what is this? What does it mean? By calling the four names first and saying, it has been given up and held. For us, this is a big question. Is this an effort to localize

only four suspects and break the chain of command that should have happened and is still in the military operation structure? Yes, because at that time there was also a gap. Why suddenly, in the middle of the investigation process and also the investigation by the police, suddenly, in the middle of the investigation process and also the police investigation, suddenly TNI immediately placed four suspects.

Where did the evidence come from? It's also not clear how they can place four suspects. This is indeed a doubt from the civilian community, that this case can go through or reveal who is behind it. Yes, I can add, Uncle, about the failure of the press conference of the TNI pushpom, on March 18, Thursday, it was previously covered by the Pushpen statement,

when halal-bihalal with a number of media outlets, around 17 March, after fasting, halal-bihalal. on 17th of March, after the fasting period the revelation shows one thing there is a sign of a wildfire why? because the process of all the narratives that are spreading in social media

even it was pressed by the cabinet, Majen Aulia who said that to respond to the rumors that have spread widely in the society then TNI said that they will conduct a search and also a legal action against the members who are suspected of committing the crime or the crime transparently and professionally

that's what Majen Aulia said on Wednesday night when Halal Be Halal with a number of journalists in the statement of the Capus POM, after maybe a few hours, they were able to find or reveal four perpetrators,

the initial NDP, ES, BHW, etc. There are four people who are all members of Denma Ba'is, Denma or the Denma Ba'ish Danish or the Danish base detachment then if like that there is a big question in the public when the investigation is done? who in what capacity then and the PUSPOM

or the TNI institution put those four people the concerns that were said earlier are valid maybe there is an protection of interest. Or the public can have a more critical question. Maybe it's not these four people. These four people are put in quotation marks.

Head-switching. Head-switching, as often happens in all big scandals or big cases. That's the first. The first misunderstanding. The second, there is no release of the perpetrator when the arrest process is suspected by the PUSPOM. It also becomes a loophole when we talk about the process of non-manipulative legal enforcement or no intervention. And the last one is the failure of yesterday's Kaba'is Office.

We also respond that the responsibility of the commandos is not only at the command's command, but also at the command's command. Even to which authority is most responsible in action or knowing, whether it is active or passive, omission or commission, knowing about this operation, if the design is an operation. So all the officials who have authority or responsibility there, it is also necessary to be checked. As you said before, in several forums,

remove it first so that the law enforcement scheme is fair. There is no power relationship, no political interference. So, everything must be removed to give room for fairer and more impartial law enforcement. Who should be removed? If we look at the chain of command, it's the KBAIS,

because it's a member of the KBAIS, who is then appointed as a perpetrator. But if we look at it from a higher level, there is the TNI's chief executive. The chief executive and then the representative of the TNI are under the Ministry of Defense.

Even further, the president. Why did I say this? Even though when I asked the six experts in Hambalang, the president said that he was upset because there were political consequences to the government's regime, Prabowo.

That this undermines the Prabowo government that there was an incident that also shook the Prabowo government that there is an incident that also shakes the journey of the Prabowo government. Moreover, the PBB has already commented. Moreover, ironically, Indonesia was appointed as the President of the HMBBB this year. This is very ironic. So, in my opinion, the President must also make a statement that there is no effort or no closed process.

As Mr. Isnu said, just give the instructions to the police. Because from the beginning, we also encourage the process of revealing this case to use the mechanism of the Criminal Code. Everyone is equal in the eyes of law law, regardless of their diversity, their attribution. So the process of law enforcement is above everything else, from political interests, especially the interests of power. This is the chain of eyes, the important thing is the chain of eyes.

These four people are suspected to be pro-Wira. Who is the first one, the first one is the Ancum, the one who is above the law. Then if he is at the level of the Director board, who is the director? Right? That's a line. So this line must be evaluated entirely. So if... So starting from the head of the board, the representative of the head of the board...

From below first, in a row.

From below. For example, he is the chairman. Who is the chairman? Who is the director where he works? This must be known to everyone. It's impossible for someone to be in charge without the knowledge of the superior. They know everything. Then, who is the superior of the director?

How about the Ba'is case? If suddenly the judge, the judge, directly to the Ba'is case, there is a chain that is broken. Yes, it is skipped. For me, it is the evaluation of this entire chain.

Then, there is a question and answer. Ba'is is a strategic intelligence agency. In the defense policy and TNI, who can monitor Ba'is? That's the question. How is the function of the defense minister?

He should organize the policy for the defense. Ba'is shouldn't have operations attacking civil society, for example. Then, how about the TNI's reception? As the four-star supervisor, Mr. Ba'is, it should be evaluated too.

So, this chain of eyes, from the beginning of the officers, the field actors, until the 5th TNI, it should be evaluated. It means that now, in the public and civil society, they demand, for example, the easiest one, please show the 4th TNI. Is it true that they are in the land, in the forest, in the jungle, are there or not?

Or then the second point that often becomes a discussion is the recent connection court, sir. Yes, yes. Looking at the development of the case today, the findings and so on, is it realistic or is it possible that it happened? This is a legal country, Mr. Rikang. We must respect the supremacy of law, as well as the supremacy of civil. We have to respect the law of the law.

In the law of the law, there are the rights of the victims, there are the rights of the witnesses, there are the rights of the public, horizontally. Therefore, all of this must be fulfilled. Well, with this under military rule, I'm sure the right of the victim will not be fulfilled. And we also know in the law, it's actually clear, the law is like this too, right?

Article 65. That it should be for a general criminal case, it should be brought to the public court, even though there is a clause. Article 74. But the Ministry of Justice has actually returned

the position. And it seems like there is an effort to localize this case to only those four people. That's why this is a battle for Prabowo. Does Prabowo, even though he is the last one in the military, still positions himself as a civilian?

He positions himself as an equity before the law. The law is the same and applies to everyone. And how the authority as an institution that will demand has a big portion. So now, this is not only about police and the law enforcement, but also law enforcement.

How is the position of the law enforcement? Will they bring this because of law enforcement or military audit? That's a big question. Law enforcement should see that this domain is the victim of civilians. The impact of the concern is all civilians. So it should be brought to the authority, the demanding authority.

Where should it be brought? The public prosecutor. Even though in the connection, the judge, if there are two judges from civilians, the public judge, the other is the military. It is possible like that. All this time, if we look at the military-related cases,

what comes up is the word Ognum. We know that this is an effort to reduce the responsibility and not to the big issues and responsibility of the institution. And it seems that with the establishment of these four people, is it already there? Yes, we suspect, predict, in other patterns, it's like this.

That's what the president should have the ability to infer, actually. Does he have the ability to infer the structural analysis of the problem of the institution? He should be able to analyze that it's not just four people and it's impossible to have four people in a military command structure in the case of the murder of the activist until the level of the general

not just the field officer until the general was removed three stars were removed by the DKP for the Munir incident until the level of the deputy Muhdi was Munir's incident, he was a deputy, a deputy,

brought to court, even though he was free in court. So, for me, in the past, in 1998, Mampu, in the SBY era, Munir, Mampu, Mendakwa, in the era of Prabowo, Mampu, no.

That's a battle. But what you mentioned earlier, for example, Maybe the example is the king himself as his son. What is it that we can hope for? But it's told, there's a rule that he accepted, right? His father said that, right? It should be told, who is the rule, who is the rule implemented?

In the activist event, there is a higher rule, why is it not revealed? In this event, who reveals everything? In our language, this is the skin in the flesh. And as long as this skin is stuck in the flesh of Ba'is and TNI, this kind of event will continue to happen. Everything must be revealed.

Remove the skin. Remove the skin from the flesh. So that there is no more intimidation in the future. So that this is enough until today. There is no more intimidation to other activists. And assume that the voice of the activists is not the ATHG, their language,

not a threat, challenge, obstacle, and obstacle. It's the voice of the activists, journalists, that is the instinct, that is the vitamin, that is the obligation as a democracy. Because it's about definition, Mas. The contrast is considered as the ATHG, the question.

Not as a partner to work for democracy. Whereas the contrast is a real service for the progress and change of TNI in the formative period. Okay, in realizing that, we also follow, right, Dim? That friends in the advocacy team for democracy in TAUT also make efforts to reveal in the last release, I received and read

and also talked to my friends this is probably not 4, but dozens who are they and how did you get to the minimum initial conclusion that this is a dozen people yes, so if we look at the search list of the witnesses, what I said earlier,

it started since the incident. It means on 13th of January, we have done all kinds of efforts to search the witnesses, get evidence, including CCTV, even the glass found to be used to attack

was also found by the TAUT team, which we have handed over to the police. So, if we look at the construction and also some of the CCTVs that we got, we got CCTVs from YLBI, Kontras, Celios, we also got the same information, some of the citizens' CCTVs in the perimeter of the TKP location. We even corresponded with the PMPROF, DISHOOP, with RSCM too to access CCTV

and there are also some indications that when at the LBI, before Andri left, directing his motorcycle to return home he closed the gate, right? yes, through the gate next to the LBI, there are many suspicious activities. So, CCTV footage found by the Advocacy for Democracy team shows that there is an activity along the road of Salemba, across YLBI, then inside the portal, the exit door of YLBI,

which leads to Borobudur's house, then there is also a capture of someone's screen who was suspected to have stopped and tried to then do a search also in the location of Borobudur's house, which is next to the football field. So there are several locations that we tried to investigate and found several people. The total, if we count it at that time

was dozens, but maybe more because if we look at the press conference process from the police on Thursday, 18th there was also a movement from the perpetrator who came from South Jakarta to the location, the location of the search was not started from YLBI,

but from the Selyos office. When Andri and I, with other friends, discussed a number of things, including the results of the KPF, the Fact-Finding Commission. Then from Selyos, there were some suspicious activities,

and finally at YLBI. There were some people that we found or we caught from CCTV recording that has started to wait and also wait for Andri's activities including when he directed his motorcycle to fill up the gasoline at the Cikini gas station there are people who really face to face watch Andri when filling up the gas

until the situation of the gas leak on Jalan Salem Basatu, Jalan Talang This is it, Mas Rikang The oil spill is not just an operation Who buys it? Where do you buy it?

Who prepares the bottles? If these four people who are in charge of two executions, their roles are different Who gives the bottles? Where are the bottles given? Who c who left the bottle? if these four people who are in charge of two executions, they have different roles who's the one who left the bottle? where is the bottle? who's the one who conditioned the road? for example, the queue is from the RSCM station

to Jalan Talang if in the video, there is a gap for so long, suddenly the vehicle is empty before the accident the vehicle was quite intense but when the accident happened, the engine was empty for a few minutes.

Who was the one who was in charge of the road in front of the vehicle? To empty the road so that the execution could happen. So if we count it, it's not possible to be less than 10. We only mentioned about 13 operations. Who gave the code and so on. But there was a unique incident, Rikang.

So, from the event's sequence, Andri's recording was actually after Isha, around 8.30. That's why the CCTV recording, the people in front of the Hill Bay were waiting for 9.40. If I was there at 9, the road in front of the Hill Bay wasn't in the portal. But, the night event, Andri came late at night.

And I was finished at 11 o'clock, passed by So people from the road, what's his name, in Punegoro, can't get in That's why the motorcycle, this lover and the perpetrator, is in front of the portal That's it, Andrew should be from YLBI, if the portal is not closed, he is directly on the right We suspect, maybe the execution was originally planned in front of YLBI Because from there, it was dark there. Dark. We were suspicious. But because of the portal,

it turned to the SPBU. There was a wisdom behind it. We saw that the point was clearer. There were more evidence that was caught by the CCTV camera. Do the members of the Civil society team know this? Is it appropriate?

With the result of the investigation obtained by the police Is there a data match or mutual courtesy for We give up All the CCTV that we get we give it to the investigators

And from our initial analysis from the clothes, from the vehicle it's the same as what they showed during the press conference so they asked for everything, they asked for JLBI, they asked for Contrast, they asked for Celios, they asked for everything it's the same picture the question is, what did you want to ask earlier, are the four people detained by Pusbom the same people? that's the question, we don't know yet, right?

And from the police, it hasn't been released yet, right? The face of the perpetrator, even the full name, who is the unit, from where the police also did not reveal, only the initials, BHC and MAK. Well, that's also one of our motivations in the advocacy team for democracy and friends of Kontras, so that the police are also, in quotation marks, brave. This is a battle. When there have been many attacks so far against the police, which is also related to the delay in the legal process, this is a test. Is the police brave? Is the police willing to do the statement? And also, does the police have a motivation to continue this

because yesterday after the PUSPOM held a press conference, they were also worried that all documents of the investigation will be revoked or will be moved to the TNI PUSPOM by the police. That is also one of the things that we're eager to do... ...so that the police will be brave enough to show their willingness... ...to 100% expose the perpetrator, the intellectual...

...and the motive of the heavy water spilling. What's the meaning of a meeting like this?

That's it.

I just got in. I just got in.

We've been here all along. Meeting just joined. We're all here. You're sharper than us, right? Yes, it's Rika's team. If I'm here, just open it. Rika's team actually already has a meeting. They're already discussing it.

Please, Rika. I'll continue, Prof. Because Dimas has already said a little bit about this. That the beginning or the starting point of this operation was in South Jakarta. After we investigated the location and talked to people who know about this case, especially the police and the team,

one of the locations is in the south of Jakarta exactly near Malawai Raya There is a post coordination post co like that I can't do this because later the viewers can read the full content in Tempu magazine

the name is Satgas S what is S? viewers can read it on Timpu Magazine Satgas S is operating in a house near

Melaweraya and after we checked who owns this house there is one of the ex head of Bais

Bang Suleman Poto,

Amicek, this house was used by Ba'i's.

He said that it was once offered as a house of the Ba'i's head office. But he didn't take it. Well, after we checked again with the government agency and also the Ministry of Defense, it turns out that the government and the Ministry of Defense apparently the government confirmed that this document is written as YYS, strategic intelligence body

in that house, in that number where is the address? You can read it in the Timing Magazine YYS means YYS? we don't know, but in the document it is written as YYS means YYS? We don't know, but the document says it's YYS, Strategic Intelligence System.

What is that house made of? Can you tell us a little bit? It's called post-coordination. From the source material that we found, that investigated this case, they said that this is the place of coordination

and from the analysis and of course the investigation around the event, that this is a place of coordination and analysis and of course, the investigation around the event. They said that people involved, or suspected to be involved in the Andriunus sinking event, had gathered or communicated from one of the starting points, the start was in the post-coordination area

around Malaw Raya. And when we ask, Ram, to Kemenhan, is it true that the Ministry of Defense's asset, the spokesman of the Ministry of Defense said that it was BMN. The state owned. The state owned, Kemenhan, which is then handed over or managed

by the TNI. Oh, to the TNI. The TNI. So, Rikang, it's clear that there are facilities of the country or goods of the country which are then used

as a place to coordinate or do evil. Coordinate. But, when we investigate further, Bang Isnuno and Mr. Dimas, we check the address, how is it used, what is it for?

The only open source evidence is one of the media offices, which is kantormedia.com What is it called? Read the magazine We have contacted one of the media managers and asked if it is true

that the address is used for this and that He said, no, there is no army staying there or coordinating there. There is no army here. But, the evidence, the documents, we also asked the Ministry of Defense, the assets with this address, this coordinate point, is it true that it's a military asset?

Actually, it can be investigated, Mr. Rikyong, Mr. Pram. If this perpetrator is around Jakarta, where he comes from, where he goes, where he lives, all of that is known. So, if he's found from that place, we can be sure that place is where he started to go. Either his house or his office.

CCTV can prove all of that. Including cell dump. Our cell phone movements can be detected in the location of BTS, where to go, everything is detected it's not difficult for the police to reveal it and also Mr. Isnor and Dimash, we also checked is this just a place of residence or a place that is rented

or just happened to be used as a starting point and so on sources who know this investigation they say that actually if it is rumored, it can be a place that according to Mr. Ismail, from below we are rumored, if the executor's rank is for example Bintara, we jump further, who ever answered that house?

Is there a higher central office? The details are there, we will reveal later. What are the highest ranks in that house? So the investigation is planned at that house? Coordinating and communication are there. Whether it is planned, communication,

whether it is planned at the house, we need to investigate further. Cool. The journalist who was journalist also came there, right? How was the atmosphere there? We came there, Pram. This house, we came a few days before Eid, and after Eid.

Was there any vehicle found there? There was. So on the first day of the visit, he noted that after hanging out for a while, he didn't get anything. Then, almost when he got home, he found and saw a black Nissan Terano SUV

with the number plate B so and so. We'll write it down in the magazine later. We didn't stop. Whose car is this? After we checked the number through our sources, which are very kind, of course, and we didn't know each other,

we knew that, please check this, please check this, so we can test it. From these two sources, which checked separately, they said that the plate number

was not known. Not known. The people who checked the number separately said that the plate number was unknown. Maybe it was a fake number, we don't know. But we will write the number. So, it was there. So, it was for the operation, right? Usually, it's like that, right?

Yes, it could be.

If it's not for the that are not covered up, why does he use an unregistered number? What else is the most interesting? Of course, the most interesting is the response from the palace. when a few days after the assassination of Andri, Prabowo got a report from his close people that there was this case and the situation and so on. Then, he called the officials

related to the function or role of the military defense. It means there are defense ministers, there are KBAIS, there are TNI officers. The police, as far as we have collected information, have not been able to meet Prabowo.

But you called, right? Yes, I called. But what we met face to face was the officials earlier. The President said president asked, who is operating this?

And he asked for someone to be responsible and immediately investigate this case. Because of that, there was a statement in an interview with NACVA and experts that it was necessary to by the intellectuals.

The president is angry?

The president is angry, of course, because this situation caused a disturbance or a slur in the government. So, I think, the political stability and so on, because with this Andrew case, the civil society is more vocal,

demanding various solutions and solving this Andrew Yunus case.

That's it, Bram.

Hmm.

Yes, and if we look at it, it's a bit, not professional, the actor is not easy to laugh at.

Hahaha.

That was what Rikang said, just delivering, delivering Rikang. Or, right? He was the one who conveyed it. On the contrary, Mas Uram, I feel that he's a Jumawa. For example, if we relate it to the Augustus event, an event that

disturbed many social media, events, no one revealed it. So he feels confident that he's not being harmed. Yeah, it's not touched, right? For me, there were two reasons. First, he was a robber. Second, he was a Jumawa.

He was confident that he wouldn't be punished.

Yeah.

This is a form of militarism that feels above the law, maybe? Yeah, when he felt that he wouldn't be punished, he had impunity, he had a sense of authority. He just did it. Yeah. He's confident and he feels that this is from the government. That means if it's like that, it will be safe. Yes, and during the August-June crisis,

Tempo has also been investigating the involvement of the army and there are also Bais personnel there. But until now, it has never been revealed. Pram, you asked about Prabu. Is there anyone else in the palace who also joined in this case? After Andriunus experienced severe attack, is there anyone else visiting him?

Wow, it seems like the tempo is getting was leaked in the palace. Is it true that people from the palace came to the RSCM to see Andri Yunus on the first day, the first day of the critical day, Andri entered the RSCM? Yes, after two days, after the incident on March 14, around 1 p.m., we, the civil society, got the information that there will be officers who will come to inspect the RSCM. So, because of that, we also applied the one-man-squad, Mr. Rikan. We tried to do protection around the perimeter of Cipta Manggung Sumo Hospital. And then at 10 o'clock... Did Mr. Mikae come?

No.

Oh, no?

He was even higher.

Higher?

The president's representative.

Oh, Ibran.

So, at 10 o'clock at night, I went to the waiting area outside the HCU, the Ciptomankusumo Hospital High Care Unit and I was in a meeting with three people, three people who at that time used themselves as a press pass or a supervisor. When I asked who was coming, the one who wanted to come was the President. I have already said that we follow the health protocols implemented by the Ciptomankusumo Hospital team.

It means we do not allow visitors, whether they are public officials or anyone else who is not interested, to visit Andri because the process is being intensively maintained in the high care unit. And it is also pressured by the hospital. That's the first. The second is ... Wait, if it is allowed, you will also allow him to enter?

Yes, that's the second reason. The second reason is that in a situation like this, there is a gap for it to become a political stage or a picture. Again, we don't need a picture, but what we need in civil society is real work, commitment, and also the determination to continue to solve the case.

But in short, Mr. Pram and Mr. Rikang, Mr. Isnur, at that time, we got the information at around 10 o'clock, I had already delivered it to the police, and the police I asked to then deliver it to the assistant vice president to reduce his intention to meet. But then half an hour after I discussed with the police,

they still said that the press would still come. Finally, I was the one who found, with another of my friends from the Democracy Advocacy Team, Julio, found at the corner of Lantai Sembilan Hospital, which was a 30-minute meeting. I just want to say that in today's condition, Andri is still in intensive care from Ciptomangun Gusumo Hospital Andri also ordered not to meet anyone from the public office in the condition that he is being treated intensively

and the third thing I said earlier that this should not be made a stage or a stage for the screening So this is the Prabowo's order? What was said by Mas Gibran at that time was that he was also asked by Prabowo. He even issued a note, a note containing several things that need to be conveyed and that is the result of the discussion with Prabowo.

So the claim is the result of Prabowo?

The claim is Prabowo.

What did he say? In essence, he sympathized, empathized, and strongly condemned this incident using the term, that this is a violent incident. Third, he said, the press said, and this is also according to the instructions of the president, to conduct a thorough investigation. We also there asked that it was not only necessary to chase the actors on the field, but also the intellectual actors,

who asked to do it, what is the motive, so that there is no similar incident in the future. So, the meeting with Wapres was only done for 30 minutes, Mr. Rikang, Mas Ram, and the point is he really appreciates that the hospital protocol must be followed, and he did not force to meet with Andri Yunus. And I also want to make it clear that there are some news that spread in the community, that on the same day, in the afternoon, there were also some officials, there was Bang Novel, Mr. Anis Baswedan, even after Mr. Gibran came, there were also staff members,

including Mr. Yusril, the head of the Law and Human Rights Commission, who wanted to visit Andri. And on the same occasion, we also firmly stated that the protocol of the hospital does not allow anyone, except family and also the relevant parties, in this case, the interested in this contrast and legal team to meet Andri because his position is being treated in the high care unit room

at Ciptoman Gusumo Hospital. The news is that Gibran once asked someone to take care of him then he asked to be removed. That's right. Cool, it's really detailed, you can get the information. Please delete it. That's right. Yes. It's cool. It's a detail. You can get the information.

So, at that time, the meeting with Wapres was at the RSCM's route. There was the head of the LPSK. Then there were also some protocols of the hospital's security. Including, at that time, the security staff of the RSCM was the one who took the photo. And when we told our friends, me and Julio, that this meeting was not to be published

in that day's situation Gibran also immediately said that there was a security staff who took a photo and he asked to be delayed the photo But if we look at contrast, it's great he dared to refuse Wapres to visit Andi Yunus

whereas if we see, he wants to go to Wapres' palace MK immediately opened the door this is just a disclaimer, Uncle Pram actually we don't see the position of the office whoever's attribution or or whatever his ability or authority is, of course, what we prioritize is the health and safety of the patient.

Because it's two days after the incident, and Andri really needs intensive care. So whoever the person is, whoever the background is, whoever the office is, of course we firmly reject it, because our priority is of it, we will definitely reject it.

Because our priority is the safety and health of Andri Yunus. Mas Wapres, don't be disappointed. We also want to come, but we can't with the control.

All of us.

But this is just a proof, Mas Bram. Can this Prabowo government be executed or just rumors? I'm worried there's an operation on this operation operation to localize only 4 perpetrators and the government of Prabowo can be just a rumor that's what I'm worried about

Okay, Pram, with all the perspectives, discussions, and also the time meetings how do you respond to the terror against Andriunus and also how is the military expansion and also what happened to the militaryror attack against Andriunus? And how did the military expand? And what happened to the military after the attack on Andriunus? Tempo saw that this was the impact of the military's continuous and excessive military strength. And it is clear that this is a breach of the constitution.

The perpetrator is a state actor. And the president has said that it must be investigated and the name of the perpetrator must be investigated as well. Even the name of the perpetrator must be known. The president has said that.

So how to make the president's instructions work? The only way is to form a team of fact-finding. The president cannot give up this matter to the police or the TNI. As we know, it is full of trouble.

There is also a case of robbery. The independence is very doubtful. The best thing is to form a team of fact-finding so that it can be revealed who will be the executor, whether there will be an order from above or not. Because, as we discussed earlier, there is clearly a chain of command here that must be revealed. If it can't be revealed, then the President's promise is just a rumor.

Okay, thank you Bang promise is just a rumor.

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