Ravens' season in ‘jeopardy’, Parkins’ Top 10 teams, Chiefs ‘class of the AFC’? | FIRST THINGS FIRST

Bad news in Baltimore. Lamar is unbelievable. Well he might I should say that. He's expected to miss this week. Expected. He's gonna give it a go.

Is he up to expect it? Likely. Yeah. I guess the same thing.

He's gonna try to give it a go. But he could miss up to three weeks with a hamstring. That's according to Brian Wacker of the Baltimore Sun. We're gonna go the full way here, Danny. we'll start with you. Is the Ravens season in jeopardy?

Oh yeah, it's in jeopardy. I mean, like, framing it like that.

I was needling you last week about how the Vegas odds had, you know, the Ravens in front of the Chiefs by a huge margin. And then even after the game, when we didn't know about the Lamar injury, like, as this time yesterday, the Ravens were more likely to win their division than the Chiefs more likely to make the playoffs in the Chiefs more likely to win the AFC than the Chiefs. Did you

agree with that? I know those were the eyes. Yeah, because of the path because

of the path through the AFC North and my belief in the Chargers. No doubt that is no longer the case because the view was you could overcome these defensive injuries and a lot of these guys were going to come back, but their offense has been excellent. The Chiefs game not with stamping, but their offense has been excellent. It's an offensive League, especially in the regular season and Lamar would be good enough to carry them and we should look at the schedule because we could just look at it through a two-game prism of this injury. They are now one in three for the first time in Lamar's career. Lamar will not be there, we assume, for the Texans game, and maybe not for the Rams game.

So just for the experiment, we'll make them 1-5. If you make the Ravens 1-5, since the merger, four teams ever have started one in five and made the playoffs and the sample of the teams that have missed is over 200. So it is. We've seen this a ton and it's

almost never been that you can overcome it. Now it's a 17 game schedule. It is still the extra team makes an extra team makes it. So it's not all of that

historical context is exactly what you double the 4 percent% exact. Exactly. Right. So like at this moment in time, I cannot wait for you guys to do must win this week. But this is a must win against all. They're both one and three double must win the old. I don't even know what you call that. Yeah, but for the double

I'm not like the graphic you show is a good graphic, obviously. But as Nick has said before, almost all of those teams that start one and five are just bad teams.

I know.

Like, they're not good. No, I'm saying. I know. But if you look at it mathematically,

they need to be 10 and 7 to make the playoffs and seven will get so they could go whatever it would be.

It would have to go nine and two.

I think Danny show the schedule to me and I let's say they go one in five. The big game is Chicago.

Well, don't let the Bears get hot.

Everyone knows.

The Bears are decent. Yeah, and that's the big but my thing is if they can't beat the Bears with Lamar assuming he'll be back then they're they're going to lose.

I mean, I do think it's here's the thing KW because I I agree. I I know you well enough to kind of read your face and thoughts like when Bruce like most teams to go one and five or bad teams what you're thinking is yeah, like the Ravens you think they

go one and five. But hold on. No, there's a point where, what's it? You're playing cards?

No, but they played.

Where you're like, uh-oh, who's the worst poker? What is that, how does it go?

If you can't spot the sucker at the table

within the first 30 minutes, it's you.

Is that what you're trying to say? in the mirror like hold on. No. We the bad. Take the end of my legend.

It's like, well, I'm the bad

guy.

Look at the

sorry, you gotta be honest. Their schedule

Chiefs

Lions

bills bills

totally and then the next to her without Lamar

I am against the team.

So can also a ton of injuries

and so it can I Christina. Sorry to keep throwing us up that you put the schedule back up if we could because here is what I do think even at one and five let's say going in they

lose to the Texans going into the Rams game it's like is the more going to play is he not going to play he's on the brink doesn't play and they lose. But that makes us believe he is going to be full strength starting with the Bears. Yeah I do think I will pick the

the Ravens to win their next

six games.

Hands down I will pick the Ravens at home off a bye against the Bears. The Dolphins I don't believe are

good.

The Vikings we'll see but Wentz has been underwhelming to say

the least.

The Browns are all, I know the Browns, the Browns are bad, the Jets haven't won a game, and the Bengals, who even knows who their quarterback will be. So I do think it would be reasonable, even with this bad defense, for one and five to turn into seven and five. I could see that. I just think it's that last part of the parlay that is so hard because I the Steelers give him a hard time every year Still the Patriots the Steelers might be legit good But even they also might be there's a scenario where the Steelers can know they're no dollars to me

There's no chance the Steelers aren't Fighting for playoff position a week. I'm always just no of course, but but those are that right hand column is hard. We are not to be a stickler for semantics, but like in jeopardy like objectively.

Yes.

Yes, because we are jeopardy is weird. Things happen in the NFL like great teams or see like the Cowboys won 12 games 12 games 12 games and then miss the playoffs the Niners missed the playoffs like teams that we think are really good miss the playoffs. The Niners missed the playoffs, like teams that we think are really good. Miss the playoffs every year and we're like, ah, it just wasn't their year. Things like every year, like made the conference champ.

We are waiting for like, yeah, to that point, like an amazing. We are waiting for that team. Like we are waiting for the bad team. That's actually good in the good team.

That's's Indianapolis

We think it's probably a it's and the good team so that is and then I know we got some on we going into the year Eagles Lions Bills Ravens Chiefs Were the five teams that had been good each of the last three years that everyone thought was going and they're going to be good

Yep

And last year the team that was in that group that fell off, and it was because of injury mostly, was San Francisco. The year before, it was Cincinnati. I don't even remember who it was the year before that. But people were like, is it going to be the Chiefs? You know, after their start.

The Lions were on the after week one. Right now, of those five, if there is going to be one, the overwhelming favorite is

Baltimore.

Yes.

That part you know what I mean.

That's why it's Jeff.

I mean it's yeah.

No it's definitely a game.

I mean he might be out longer

than three weeks.

That's that's all.

Or he might not be able to come back and then not have that

burst.

And I think that hurts. Not great. We might need to keep that hospital bed. Chiefs got to 500. Andy Reid optimistic as the team prepares for the Jags. Chiefs back to being the class of the AFC. I like that.

So listen, I believe the answer to this is yes, and it has nothing to do with playoff dominance over Buffalo. The argument isn't that, well, even if Buffalo is, you know, the best team, they can't beat Kansas. I'm going to put that take in a box, open it later if I need it. I just think if Buffalo is the team everybody thinks is the

best team in the conference, my answer is their defense is not good. The Chiefs defense is. And I think that right now the Bills offense looks like it's better than Kansas City. I think that we saw a glimpse of what Kansas City's offense is going to be now that Worthy's back. We'll see a fuller picture once

Rasheed Rice gets back and that I think I think that when they play each other in the regular season, you know week nine whatever it is the Chiefs offense will be at the level of the Bills offense and the Chiefs defense will be demonstrably better than the Bills defense. Now the Chiefs will probably lose that game anyway because

they don't, you know, they don't do a full game plan against Buffalo in the regular season. So, they can smack them in the playoffs. But I do.. And the Chargers were making a case, Danny. But I I worry about

their cluster injuries on the offensive line that might have, you know, really hampered them. So to me, the answer is yes, the Chiefs by that one game will really game and a half post. Yeah, the tag on the tag on the side. They are the class of the AFC. Yeah, to go off your other tattoo, never a doubt could be the benefit of the doubt. Wow. Like, the Chiefs do get..

They get the benefit of the doubt.

Thank you.

They deserve it. And I'm surprised that you're not putting it in a box and using the playoff dominance over Buffalo because that is also a valid reason. Like, I personally right now, if they played this week Kansas City Buffalo, I would take Buffalo. I would make the same mistake I just made against the Ravens.

You said yesterday you wouldn't do that.

Well, I'm saying, like, again, I am not going to doubt.

No.

I am not going to doubt the Chiefs' ability to, like, can they score 30 points? Yes, they clearly can. They can do anything they want. I think today Buffalo is better because of their offense. But if you want to say they beat him in the playoffs they just righted all of their wrongs they're averaging twenty eight

points a game the last five games that they've had Xavier worthy and they're two weeks away from getting Rishi Rice Like that's a reasonable

argument to make.

And the thing is now at the top of the AFC there's no flawless If you're a good team, you're a good team. If you're a good team, you're a good team. If you're a good team, you're a good team. If you're a good team, you're a good team. If you're a good team, you're a good team. If you're a good team, you're a good team. If you're a and the Rams all four of those teams. You feel like a

good offense. Good defense. AFC doesn't feel that way. Do you have a quick comment? We gotta get to Danny's dozen. Yeah.

Right now, I don't think the Chiefs will have the number one seed or the best record in AFC, but they would certainly feel like the team to beat right now. Okay. It's top ten Tuesday Tuesday with Danny Park and some people say Danny's doesn't know.

want to coming in at number 10. I'm sorry drop a spot when you tie to the Dallas Cowboys and you held the Lions to 13 points in week one, but then you give up 40 to a team that doesn't have CeeDee Lamb and two of their top five offensive linemen and J-Lo, J-No, I don't trust you. So you are now the quarterback of the 10th best team in the NFL and you're going the wrong direction. Tampa dropped a spot this week as well. Their next three, I'm fascinated.

At Seattle, the Niners, the Lions. Getting by by the skin of their teeth with these fourth quarter, one possession games. They have injuries as well. Baker's amazing. Baker would be on the top five of my MVP ballot,

but the injuries piling up, coming back guys leaving just skirting by against these teams. We'll see now that they have tougher competition coming in number eight brew. I keep them. I'm keeping them in the top 10 for now because with Lamar Jackson, I think it's a top three offense in the NFL. Now. They don't have Lamar this week, but I am banking on he is going to come back and that offense is going to be incredible.

But we know that they are hanging on by a thread. And maybe they get to one and five and this thing goes the other way and the season gets away from them. But right now Baltimore hangs out in that spot. Welcome to the Top Ten Tuesday. Seattle Seahawks. I mean, at this point I know we can point to the schedule and the competition and who they've played

but on offense and defense, they're just really good and really impressive. Opponents points per game, second. Yards per play, third. Darnold passer rating, sixth. Jackson Smith and Jigba, no one talks about it. You're talking about Puka Nukua earlier in the show. He's playing like a top-five receiver also. Wow. Elite receiver. Great job by Brew. I mean he just really won Brew an argument from earlier. That was a bad beat for me. I could have used that stat 45 minutes ago. He's been great. Number six. They're moving the wrong direction

also. My Los Angeles Chargers. Justin Herbert. Alt, Slater, and Beckton, their top three offensive linemen. Herbert is running for his life. Most pressured quarterback in the NFL the last two weeks. He was able to get the win two weeks ago. Weird interceptions, deflections,

defensive lineman running it back, his wide receiver falling down. Doesn't matter. You lose to the Chargers, you're obviously dropping in the rankings. Coming in at number five, the Los Angeles Rams.

A complete team, Stafford second in yards, third in touchdowns, fifth in yards per attempt, seventh in passer rating. My question with him was, is the back gonna stand up and is he gonna be healthy at 37 behind that offensive line? He is answering all of those questions.

The defense has been great and Stafford is playing like he's still in the absolute minimum or the middle of his prime. I was criticized for writing off the Chiefs. Yeah. And I guess I deserved it. But last week they were number six in my top ten teams and they hadn't played like it because

I was giving them the benefit of the doubt. You win that game, you move up two spots, you are the fourth best team because again, Xavier Worthy clearly changed everything. I thought he was going to change a little. He changed everything for this team and all of a sudden, the light show came back two weeks away from getting Rasheed Rice back. 37 points, most in the game for the Chiefs since week three of 2023. Cream of the crop here, top three teams in the NFL,

the Detroit Lions coming in at number three, My Super Bowl pick three years in a row. Jared Goff was thrilled to see him on Brews MVP ballot. Leads all quarterbacks in wins, completion percentage, and passing yards since the start of last year. Their offense is scoring over 41 points per game and has not allowed a sack in the last three games. That's amazing. They stumbled out of the gate in just a buzzsaw of a spot at Lambeau. Micah Parsons debut, first game with a new defensive coordinator, first game with a new offensive coordinator.

They're back to being a juggernaut. I absolutely think they have an argument for being the best team in the NFL. Unfortunately, the Buffalo Bills are in front of them and it's because of their offense. They didn't lose. I'm not dropping these top teams out of their spots until they lose a game. Josh Allen, to me, is the MVP of the league. They are the thing that I trust most this moment in time in the NFL, the Buffalo Bills offense. And I don't make the rules.

I just enforce them. But if you're the champs and you haven't lost, you get to stay in the top spot, even though it's weird with the wide receiver and it's weird with the quarterback. The defense is young and getting better. And Nick, this one is for you. Yeah, what's this? Well, one score wins four and oh, all four by one score 2025 Eagles 2024 Chiefs. I don't know. I guess they're going back to the Super Bowl. Back to the Super Bowl. I guess they're going to get

waxed by the Chiefs. I love that idea. Who goes first here, me or Brew? I believe it's Brew's turn to react. It's nice for Brew to see a perfect list, right?

I beg to differ with that.

Oh, come on, Brew.

I'm moving the Packers from 10th to 5th. All right, you had a lot of nice excuses. A buzz saw, a Micah's first game. The fact of the matter is the Packers punched the Lions in the mouth. All right, and a month ago yesterday or not yesterday Sunday night was an aberration.

They went in there thinking Dallas was dead. We're going to stop these guys. It's going to be a celebration from Micah. Next thing, you know, they're in a football game and they had trouble getting themselves going. Dallas had momentum. But before that, while facing two

at the, when they play Washington, Jaden Daniels was playing their first three games. They were allowing 13 points a game. That defense is legit. Don't be fooled by what happened Sunday night in Texas. The Packers need to move on up.

I'll just say the last couple games.

They have that's all right.

They're getting run on that's like a Parsons. Can't stop. Okay, can't stop the run. You're five yards per carry against your a lot of Cleveland

had a big run with Judkins.

Yeah.

Well, before I go, what are you upset about KW?

I like wins. Oh, yo, you're upset that Bruce moving

the team up. Well, is it the is the standing is is well kind of Danny's top 10 is the standing. Well, it's not for an hour and okay, but it's not the standard. Okay. I had the

Packers. Ravens are one in three. I had the Packers lower than most people last week and then they tied against the Cowboys. So they had to drive. It's my top 10. I think that's I think it's fair what I I know it's your top 10, but we also have to acknowledge that those Chargers offensive line injuries. They're not necessarily temporary Slater is not coming back. No, he is not

Joe. All we don't know how long he's out, but it's not going to be just a week back and back back. Didn't think that was scary because he's been in concussion protocol for a few weeks.

That's true.

But those two tackles plus another backup tackles out.

That's cool.

Which is why I am removing the chargers entirely and saying the Jacksonville Jaguars should be in the top 10. Wow, it's not about the Prince. Oh, the defense has been unbelievable. Etienne has been great. I think they have... The argument for the Jaguars is,

even if you don't believe in the Prince the way I do, we have seen him play better than he's playing right now. Even if he's not going to be the superstar that I thought he was going to be, he's, most of his career, played better than he's playing this point of the season. He also is on the best team he's been on at any point of his career. So if he can just get back to standard Prince level playing, the Jags, all they need is

an average offense with what the defense is doing right now. Now I understand the D forcing 13 turnovers through four games after only forcing nine all of last year. That pace is not sustainable. I don't think they're going to force 55 turnovers this year, but I think the Jags are a legit good team. I think that they are a tough, like it's a tough matchup Monday night at home against Kansas City,

and I think that they are the only reason you don't have in the like they're not a top 10 team is because of the Jacksonville Jaguars.

Well, it's because I don't trust Trevor Lawrence at all because he keeps making dumb mistakes and turning the ball over in terrible spots. And yes, their defense has 13 takeaways. But if we could put up Mahomes Mountain from earlier in the show, the Jacksonville Jaguars played Bryce Young. I don't see him on the mountain.

They played Jake Browning. I don't see him on the mountain. They played CJ Stroud. Oh, somehow is holding on to a spot. Right side.

I know it's not left or right. I know but I mean come on. He's barely hanging on to the third and he played Brock Purdy who's in the very lower left. Wash off an injury. Yeah, those are the four quarterbacks that this Jags defense has piled up.

So you're saying you think my home's going to carve him up.

I'm saying the defense is not the best. Maybe you've got I listen. I think the event's really good. I think the offense is actually underachieving and they're still three and one. I right now. I think they're the favorites in the AFC South. They're tied with the Colts and record.

I think what they are doing is more.

So you think they've been more impressive than the Colts?

No, I know, but I think that they are sure. I think that they are they are my pick to win the AFC South through four weeks.

So I said with the Texans being a mess.

Excellent job.

Thank you. And Danny's top top 10 to Danny's doesn't Danny's doesn't next week. Coach Mancini and Willie Cologne here on set. And we began with tough news out of Miami. The dolphins win their first game of the year, but star wide receiver Tyree kill dislocates his knee, tearing multiple ligaments in his knee. Per his agent, Drew Rosenhouse,

Tyree kills surgery is now complete and went very well. According to doctors adding that another surgery will not

be needed.

Quote. It's about rehab and he will play next season. The realistic goal is the start of the season and quote, which is kind of amazing. Yeah, when you consider the level of I mean, full knee dislocation, multiple, multiple, it was very gruesome. And you know, I want your guys's reaction to the injury and then this follow-up news,

but I'll just say like I was in Kansas City when they drafted Tyree kill and his career, he is, this is a weird thing to comp it to, but you'll follow the logic. In a way, he's like the Tom Brady of receivers, in that he is the most out of nowhere, unexpected superstar, no doubt about it, first ballot Hall of Famer,

relative to his draft position. He was the 165th pick in the draft. Some of that was because of problems that he got into in

college no doubt about it.

But he had to transfer away from

Oklahoma State.

But like you look at all the other all time wide receivers Jerry Rice's pick sixteenth Justin Jefferson twenty second

He was eighty nine.

You look at like Tyree Kills production relative to where he was drafted as a wide receiver, 150th pick or later, he's second in yards, tied for first in touchdowns, second in catches, and that's all to Antonio Brown. So he was gonna shatter those numbers if he kept playing. And so his speed obviously made him special, five-time first-team All-Pro. It's great to hear that the expectation is that he'll come back.

But in terms of what he's accomplished from where he was drafted, he's truly one of the great out-of-nowhere success stories in NFL history.

Yeah, it's rough, right? Because he's 31 years old. And all I can do is reflect back to some of my injuries. And one of the things that I always wanted to happen, especially after while getting injured or before getting injured was, can I get back to being the ball player I once was, right? Can I, what's my superpower was being able to move a man

from A to B against his will. Tyree's superpower is speed, right? Yep. He didn't get the name cheated for being a great route runner, right? What he does best,

especially when him and Wilder on the field, you know, you're going to see cover to right off the snap because of his vertical threat. When he returns, can he go back to being that guy? And I was 33 when my knees went bad. He's 31 coming off a gruesome knee injury. I don't know if he can. I know I couldn't.

Now he's a way better athlete than I was. Sure. World class athlete. But there's serious concern about who he is when he comes back from this type of knee injury.

And you talked about Tyreke's, the starter's career, and when you think of Kansas City's offense and how explosive it was, it's because he could take a five-yard pass and turn it into a 70-yard pass. And a heartbeat, because not only is his speed

to threaten you vertically, but his catch and run speed, where he could run away from the defenders. And this is so disappointing for him because he was so close on all these numbers, and you hope that he's going to be able to come back. And I guess the positive of this is even if he's not at the same speed that he was, he's still so much faster than most human beings that his decreased speed will probably still be good enough for him to be very productive.

Maybe not what it was, but hopefully a level of production that's close.

Yeah, well that's the thing. You're not worried about the rehab process, because you know he's gonna do what he needs to do to get back. It's the confidence, right? Putting your knee down on the ground,

dig, pivot, move, accelerate, getting out of breaks. If he's not able to be that guy, then it's like, all right, then who do we really have right now?

I would imagine a game planning for a guy like him would be as tough of an assignment for a defensive coach as you could get, because, like, what are you going to do? You have no one who is as fast as him.

Yeah, with those guys, what makes it challenging is if you get up and press him, then you've got the problem of, okay, he can get vertical on us and they can throw the nine route, beats the DB right off the bat. But if you don't get up and press him, then he gets the ball in space and now it's whether or not you can catch him.

So you really have to mix coverages between press man, zone, cover two. And then vertically, the way that he can get across the field so quickly, it just creates imbalances in zone defenses that are hard to compensate for. And there's no way he could come

back, right? I mean, he'll come back and play. If he was a 4-2-5 guy, now he's on the wrong side of 30, and he has this. 4-2-5 guy becomes 4-4-5 guy, still blazing fast, but it's not going to be cheap.

Well, he has that dog in him.

You're not worried about that. As to what Coach is talking about, because of his ability to cross fields. Like, if you watch him, when he rolls up on safeties, you see safeties get spooked because he gets on them so fast. And like, I don't know if he's an average. He's another guy. Yeah, you don't recover from him closing your cushion.

Once he closes it, he's gone.

He's gone.

All right, the other game from last night. Saw the Cincinnati Bengals fall into the Broncos 28 to 3, making them 2 and 2 on the year. Jake Browning, yikes. You got T. Higgins and Jamar Chase out there. You throw for just 125 yards. Jamar has three catches, only 23 yards for the game.

And because he's a wide receiver and because social media is available to everybody, he was tweeting after the game. And, man, y'all better leave me alone, man. I play with passion, hootay. And so the question is, all right, if you can't get these receivers the ball, do you go out there and do you trade for a guy like a Russell

Wilson or some other quarterback to improve over Jake Browning?

Oh, they..

The difficult thing with Cincinnati is they're historically slow to do everything. And they like to see things through. So, if they sign a guy, they usually carry him to the end of the contract. They don't want to renegotiate until you get to the end of the

contract. They don't want to renegotiate until you get to the end of the contract. They usually give coaches a little bit longer life span than other people because they don't want to pay for dead money. So, the idea that Jake Browning after two games, they would potentially move on from, it's really not how they've been built or how they operate.

That doesn't mean they shouldn't consider it, whether it's, you know, Jameis Winston could be a really fun guy there.

Oh, that would be fun. Jameis.. I've said this before. I don't want Jameis to be my team's quarterback. But I want him to be some team's quarterback.

And here's the compelling thing about Jameis. He's going to be able to get those guys the ball. It's going to be exciting defensively, but he also has a way about this, losing your quarterback the way that they did with so many expectations. That whole building is deflated and Jameis has such a contagious personality and such a positive personality. So it's not just the ability, but I think he infuses a different energy back into the building that could be

really good thing. Yeah, I have to bring it to the Bengals. Nobody's coming to save you. Like that's just the reality of it. Nobody's coming to save you and your seasons is over in my eyes because your next two games are against the Lions and Packers. So if you fall underneath 500 before Halloween to me, save

the pick, save the money. Continue with Jake Browning, because we've all seen enough of Russell Wilson. Kirk Cousins has a throne. I mean, he threw his last touchdown. Last time we seen him throw a touchdown was in December. There's nobody coming to save you.

So if you're the Bengals, unfortunately, it's a wrap. And this is what happens when you don't draft well and you don't build a team up that can at least have an emergency out to kind of help you against a situation like losing Joe Burrow. So it's unfortunate. I don't know what you do to it. I don't know what you tell Jamar Chase or T Higgins or whoever or Trey Hendricks, but it's a wrap.

So can I just add one? I don't know if it's a total wrap in that division because of how Baltimore is fallen on hard times. And then with Pittsburgh, it's going okay. It's going okay. But I thought Baltimore was going to run away with the division and then it would definitely be a wrap. But all those other teams are pretty flawed, too.

But who's coming off the bench right now that can make an immediate impact right now?

Well, so let me make the argument for Jake Browning. Like, obviously Jake Browning is not Joe Burrow. I understand that and he's certainly not as entertaining as James Winston, but I have actually been shocked at how bad their offenses looked with Jake Browning because Joe Burrow has been hurt before. We have seen Jake Browning and if you go back to 2023, Jake Browning was fine.

Seven games. It's not the biggest sample size of the world.

I'm with you, DP.

But he played seven games. They scored 23 points per game, which is right around league average. His passer rating was basically a hundred. He moved the ball and he threw more touchdowns than interceptions. And this year, through a couple of games, he's been objectively

terrible. And so like I said, like, Self, why is that? Well, maybe it's because he's played Denver and Minnesota. And these defenses, if you go back to the start of last year, are, I mean, you could make the argument that they're the two best defenses in the NFL.

But you can't make an argument that they're worse than five. These are two of the five best defenses in the NFL over the last two years. So yes, partly because they're slow to make changes and partly because no one's walking through that door, but and maybe we could throw the the Bengal schedule up here. You're right. These upcoming opponents brutal are

are undeniably tough, but okay. So say you fall to two and four Pittsburgh divisional game. They've been inconsistent Jets Bears by they're still saying Burrow can come back at the end of the year. They're looking at December

Sure.

Oh I understand that. But all but can Jake Browning get them to be five and seven.

I do.

I grew so so if you get five and seven and you hold out the hope you have for Joe Burrow. Like that's something I think that Jake Browning will be better than he's been these last two games because of who he's played.

Yeah, I was a little just the defense that he played are good defense, but they're not the 85 Bears. So you think it would have been better than what we saw and he does have all those other explosive pieces.

That's why it's so jarring.

Yeah, that's the disappointing part about it. But he has shown the ability to do it. And again, the division is so.. It's such in flux right now. It's such in flux right now. Who knows how this is going to play out over time.