Rejeição de Messias foi “recado ao governo Lula e ao STF”, diz senador

Bruno Pinheiro is there.Let's go with repercussions.I think Bruno has a guest.Is that right, Bruno?

I'm now talking to the Senator of Rio de Janeiro, Carlos Portinho, who was the first to tell me that he had closed the issue of the block, the new block, the avant block, against this indication.We commented here on the off that it's been more than 100 years that this doesn't happen here in the Federal Senate.How was this math that the opposition did to get to this result, Senator?

In 1892, it was the only time, and now no longer the only time, that an indication of a President of the Republic was denied.It was with Floriano Peixoto.The second time was with Lula III, today with Messias.It's a historic day for the country, because it sends several messages.The main one, in my opinion, is that the country, the powers, now need to put the ball on the ground.They need to cool down.

The society we represent here, the society of my state, Rio de Janeiro, can't take it anymore.It can't take so much tension anymore.This is a message to both the Supreme Court and the current government, and a foretaste of a victory in the future, of a transformation.I did the math, vote by vote, and I was going to give it to you earlier, you didn't take me seriously.I was saying that I was going to give it to you earlier, I got all the votes right, we were mapping, talking.It's a lot of work, because in the opposition, I always said, the question is math, we are 32.

It was the vote of Rogério Marinho when he lost the election in the Senate.It was the number of signatures recently that Jorge Seif managed to get for tomorrow's election, which will be our second victory of the week.

Now, the votes, Senator, are not only votes from the main opposition.There are votes from the center.I talked to some MPs who were afraid of the vote being publicized, the vote being open, because maybe the names of the government would have more influence.vote in the open vote, and in the closed vote, government names would vote against it.Where did these votes come from?

The closed vote, in these specific cases, protects the parliament.It allows us to build strategies on top of that.I told Messias when he was with me.The moment was very bad for him.Bad because the day I received him in my office, as I received all the candidates, the Supreme Court went after Alessandro Vieira, who is not even from our base, even from the government's base.and not from the opposition, the Supreme Court went after Zema and opened a fake news inquiry for a post by Flávio that had reposted an article from another newspaper in January.

And I said, it's getting in the way, it's getting in the way, the moment is bad.And the moment is bad because the moment of the government is very bad for the country.He understood what I was saying.He couldn't expect anything different from the opposition.I said that the opposition would be the opposition.I told the press and I told him every time I could.

And I prefer to be honest and sincere.He knew he couldn't count on our votes.And I told him that there is a feeling of self -defense from the Senate because of the investments of the Supreme Court against parliamentarians, recently Marcelo Van Hatten and so many others, Gaia, right?And that there was a bad moment too because there is a feeling here SenadoI even said in another interview that he seemed neutral to me. I think it was much more a feeling within the Senate plenary that maybe there would be another better indication than this, and now I'm sure it will be for after the elections.

Senator, thank you very much for your kindness.Of course, we have to consider that this was a victory.of the opposition, but also the holophotes, and return now to the next challenges, right?Many demanded a positioning of the Senate in relation to these agendas, right?When it was talked about brakes and counterweights.Can you say that maybe it is a first step of a new positioning of the Federal Senate?

What other positions do you understand that the Senate should take from now on?

Look, it's a signal, a message If you take the votes today, 42 favorable votes against the Messiah.If you take this number and put it in a vote of an impeachment process, where we have already achieved practically the same number of signatures for your opening against the Minister of the Supreme Court, it is a message that the powers begin to rebalance and show that it is time to sit at the table.It's time to put the ball down.Brazilians can't take it anymore.So much tension, so much conflict between powers.People who, for their vanity, think they are above others and intimidate.

Many senators were intimidated by the Minister of the Supreme Court today.I will make it clear once again, this is not an urban legend, this happens.And so a message also for those who intimidated parliamentarians.to vote with the indicated.Did you receive this intimation?

They are not fools, they are not fools to call me.We continue with this repercussion then, Senator Carlos Portinho, if you have another question, we continue here live.

Senator, Once again, I want to reinforce our gratitude, but I would like you to talk about the next steps to occupy the chair of Luiz Roberto Barroso.Bruno made the question about Davi Alcolumbre, if he would have made a backstage articulation for the senators to vote for rejection, for non -approval.There was this buzz.Some sources came to say that Davi Alcolumbre would have made some kind of articulation, some conversation, with some senators.Do you understand that maybe the most appropriate name or the government would succumb to that intention of David Alcolumbre to suggest the name of Rodrigo Pacheco?Did you hear anything in that sense?

is andThe PLO voted for it, as I said it would.Just like everyone in the opposition.I'm sure they voted for it.Our 32 senators.It's a magical number, but it's our number here in the opposition.

But there was a climate, and we could be surprised.We'll be surprised.A historic day, a day of messages.If they're not well assimilated, it'll be worse.

Thank you, sir.Thank you very much for the interview.Is football maintained there, like Flávio Bolsonaro?

Look, I've already hung my shoes here with two surgeries of ankle, but I think I'm going there, because it's a day to celebrate.I think we here today echoed much of what the Brazilian would like to say a response from Brazil.

Thank you, Senator, for the interview.Also, an advice to Fábio Guimarães, here always attentive to Jovem Pan, to help us here in these articulations and in the interviews also in the corridors of the Federal Senate.Back to the studios.