Relatos de PANTEONES | BRUJERÍA, muertos y tumbas MALDITAS

Many say that not everyone rests in peace in the pantheons. According to some workers, there are nights where you can see strange figures moving in the dark. Even in some corners you can see silhouettes, silhouettes of children playing among the clouds. Because a pantheon not only keeps bodies, it keeps stories, incomplete stories, broken farewells, and souls that don't accept their end. Tonight, you won't hear simple stories.

You'll open the door to places where something is still walking, even after death. Welcome. How are you, family? Welcome to one more episode of Extra Anormal Podcast. My name is Paco Arias and I am happy to be back in a new episode for all of you. Family, I'm happy for many reasons,

but especially because we have a very special guest tonight. A person with a lot of experience in the paranormal field, and I'm sure that everyone, or the vast majority of you, have already seen her at some point in a very famous show. Today, I'm joined by Luisa Cárdenas. How are you, Luisa? Very well, thank you very much, Paco.

I'm very happy to be here today, sharing these paranormal stories with you,

and I'm grateful for the invitation to your show.

Thank you, Luisa. I know that a lot of people will recognize you at this moment. But for those people who are joining the channel, who are not very familiar with the paranormal, I would like you to please introduce yourself,

who you are, what you do, and of course, your social media.

Thank you, Paco. My name is Luisa Cardenas. I am a medium and a witness of birth. Some people call me the little witch. Not so much, I would say, because it is not that I practice witchcraft as such. Simply, my therapies are a lot to help people work with their own being and help in the processes of mourning to close this with those who are no longer there, to be able to make that last contact and that they can say goodbye.

And both help the spirit that is suffering, as well as help the person who cannot close, and sometimes they live as if they were dead in life. So that ritual is important. And apart from that, I have been doing paranormal research for 19 years.

Excellent. What about your social media, Luisa? You can find me as Luisa Cardenas on all social media. Perfect. Hey, the topic we're going to talk about tonight, and I take this opportunity to tell everyone, is a very interesting topic.

Because I think that throughout the years, throughout history, the pantheons, the cemeteries, the dead have been the cause of much intrigue, especially because it is mentioned in certain writings, even in great memorials, that there are works that are done in the pantheons, in these holy fields, where so many souls rest, but at the same time it becomes a place, like a portal, where many things happen. I would like to ask you, what do you think of all this?

Notice that a very interesting phenomenon happens. Suddenly they say, the spirit is trapped where the body was, and this is not the case in all cases. Where we can assure that the spirit is most likely in the pantheon is in the cases where the person took their life. It is easy to pull that the spirit is there and is suffering. And where they took their life in a violent way. When any of these two situations are combined,

then we can talk or think that the spirit is in the grave. And it is there that those souls that are like, not souls, spirits, because it is different soul and spirit, those spirits are the ones who are asked for favors for witchcraft and to harm someone at a certain moment. Why? Because they are spirits that have a lot of strength

for the pain, the suffering with which they died and we are sure that they will be sorry. People who die of something else, there are times that, for example, when they die in a car accident or something that is very fast, they do not understand their death process. And the spirit is also literally suffering, but it is difficult to tie to the body. They tie to the body when there is a lot of love for the physical, then they do not want to detach, they do not want to let go of the body.

And it is those disturbed spirits that you find in the pantheons. But most of the spirits are easier to manifest in their home, in their work, in what they loved and with the people they loved.

Ok, this topic is going to be very interesting because I have information about many things that are done in the pantheons. And I want to tell the whole audience that is arriving that please support this episode a lot, leave your like, subscribe and tell them that our guest Luisa has kept something forbidden. Something that will not be in this podcast, which I invite you to visit on our website. www.podcastextranormal.com.mx I'll be waiting for you there. Luisa, I'm going to tell you something.

I'm in a lot of trouble compared to you in this research topic. I'm an amateur, I love visiting these places. There are many things that happen. But I've noticed something and I'd like you to help me confirm this. Honestly, I've visited many pantheons. In the vast majority, you don't feel anything.

You feel peace, even tranquility. It's something, peaceful, but there is a smaller percentage where it's the opposite. There are pantheons where we find witchcraft, we find sanctuaries, we find jars, we find pieces of aluminum, which we know that inside the aluminum there is always, it's always the method of protection of the work. But the vast majority of pantheons are very quiet. But the one that is heavy, ufff, hold on, it is heavy. What do you think about that?

It is that the one that is heavy is usually because it is ritualized. So what opens a portal and attracts beings from another plane, and we could be talking about an astral low, that there to whom they are delivering the work is really the being that they invoked not necessarily the spirit as you well mention in most cases the pantheons is a place of rest but if this pantheon

has a lot of time and there are even specific areas for example in the city of Guadalajara, you know that there were the tremendous explosions on April 22. And then there were many bodies that were not recognized, I could even say pieces of body, that made a common grave and there they were thrown. So imagine the energy for what was done. There was no ritual, they didn't have that process of saying goodbye to their family and all that. So specific situations are created in some pantheons, that you can say, an area I feel very, very calm,

I even feel inner peace and I feel good. And on the other side, they suddenly did a scary ritual and then they opened a portal that they didn't close, that they left open for future works. And that's when you arrive and you say, what's going on here?

Of course. Notice that one of the things that is also repeated a lot in the pantheons is that in these places satanic pacts are made. in One, in the panthers. Two, in the crossroads, where the train passes. And three, in churches. This really surprised me, because from what I understood in this reading, the pact that is made in a church is even stronger than the one that is made in a cave,

in the roads, in the cemetery. The one that is made in a church, wow! Because first, before the pact is made, the saints are profaned. In this place, groups of people have intimate communion in groups, they are profaned, stained with vital liquid, with sacrifices, and then comes the covenant.

Just like in the cemeteries, these places are very busy, especially the ancient tombs, the old ones, the ones that no one visits anymore, the ones that come on the Day of the Dead and they don't leave flowers, they don't put water on it, those are the ones that are busy. to and more than a story, it's a confession. This happened in León, Guanajuato in 2010. Hector was a 27-year-old man at the time. A man who worked as an employee.

He was an employee of a company that was dedicated to telecommunications. He told me that he had been working there for about five years.

very hard-working, very attentive with everything. But he longed for an increase, an increase in his salary, even a better position. And he said, Paco, I did everything.

If my boss literally threw a coin at me and said, go get a cake. I was going for the cake. He says, but after four years of seeing that I didn't grow up, you start to get frustrated. Or at least that's what he tells me as a way of justifying himself for what he did. He says he started to get frustrated.

He got married, he made his family, and he was already like the economy was squeezing him a little bit. And he started and he tells me, I was already starting to go to work to fulfill, I was already fulfilling, I was no longer giving that extra, I was already sitting and doing wei for a while. Then he says, my growth is not reach. He says that after a few months, this has already happened, after this, it's been about five years, after a few months,

they start hiring new people. And a 19-year-old boy came in. This boy says, at first, like him, super active, he did everything well, in sales.

The problem starts when you create this work zeal. Because this colleague, he got to do the work that many of us did. Because he showed the boss that he could do more in less time. And because of him, they started to pressure us to do more, to sell more. For example, he tells me that we sold telecommunications services.

Let's give an example, a month, 10,000 pesos of sales is what the person who sends me the story, Hector, did. Well, the new partner in a month didn't make 10,000, el compañero nuevo en un mes no se hacía 10 mil, se hacía 100 mil. O sea, puso una marca cabrona. Y aquí empieza lo feo, dice, porque a los tres meses se abre una vacante de supervisor. Y él es el que asiente. Ese chamaco, y voy a decirte como me lo dijo, ese chamaco pe**o llegó a ser mi jefe teniendo 19 años. Like he told me, that stupid kid became my boss at 19 years old.

He says, the truth hurts you, it hits you in the pride, it hits you that someone who is entering, he says, I really did a lot at first and they didn't promote me. And this kid comes and starts and they promoted him, he's already my boss. Here's where a problem starts. He says because time goes by, a year goes by, he says, the truth is, you can see that his life has changed,

his clothes were already branded, that he already used a Armani, a Hugo Boss. The kid, super good, for his age, super mature and very professional. Here's where the problem starts, the jealousy, and especially when this kid was calling his attention. And he was saying, Hector, you have no sales. Hector this, Hector that.

And here's where the problem starts because he says, this guy is pressuring me. And he says, at that time, I don't know if you remember, when YouTube started, at the beginning YouTube allowed you to upload very strong things. I mean, nothing compared to today. But before, you could upload very delicate things to YouTube.

And YouTube, like everything, there were no such guidelines, such policies. And it says that he, at the time, at work, this... Olga, healing,

started watching YouTube. And it says that he came across a ritual. trabajo este olga san ando empezó a ver youtube y dice que se encontró con un ritual y el ritual decía deshazte de esa persona y era tan explícito dice en ese vídeo veían cómo se des un animal muchas cosas y todo eso lo vio en youtube dice guau él dice qué es lo que debo de hacer qué es lo que voy a hacer porque He said, wow. He said, what should I do? What am I going to do? Because he already had a lot of ideas for this guy, who, in the end, was doing his job well, right?

So, I found a video where it says, you destroyed the person you love in less than a month. I'm not going to say the full story because it describes it. I'm just going to say that among the things they ask for of and behind this photo, handwritten, the name and date of birth, everything that is involved. Be careful, it's not the whole ritual. Before that, more things were done. The case is to go to a cemetery, look for the oldest tomb,

and make a prayer, which I'm not going to say either, and after this prayer, let the dead do his job. He was thinking, he said, what do I do? Is it true? To begin with, I didn't even believe in witchcraft. So from there we started to a point.

One day, he says that this guy, the new one, the boss, he scolded him because he realized that he was being a dick at work and humiliated him, or rather, he felt humiliated in front of his colleagues. That day, he said, I'm going to do it. He prepared everything in three days, went to the pantheon, did what he had to do.

And he describes something very crazy to me, something. He says, this is surreal, Paco. When I finished, I put the photograph on the floor, on the ground. I didn't make a hole, nothing. I put it there. I said, Paco, you won't believe it. From the grave, worms came out of these white, from when the skin is rotting.

I mean, I still can't explain how they started to come out and filled the whole sheet with the photo and dragged it into the grave. In front of my eyes, the worms took the photo. I was surprised. The next day I when he introduced me to work,

this kid didn't introduce himself. He didn't. We didn't know anything, we all worked, the day was quiet. Days passed, he didn't come, and he didn't come to work, and then the rumor started that maybe something had happened to him,

rumors of the corridor.

He said he talked to one of his supervisors, another one, from another area, I was thinking about the rumor that something had happened to him. Rumors of a hallway.

He says he talked to one of his supervisors, another one from another area. He asked him, why hasn't the boss come yet? We miss him already. He was still saying the same thing.

We miss him already.

He says, I think he's sick. So, maybe he has an incapacity. I don't know. He comes to the month. Super thin. I didn't know that a person could change so much in a month. Thin, dirty, smelly, coughed all the time.

He looked very bad. And he also smelled bad. This boy was wearing perfume all the time. He smelled bad. I already knew that the job was working. I found out that his son was going to all the time. It stank. And he said, I already knew that the job was working. I found out, he says, that one week his son, a son who had a baby,

was in a serious condition in the hospital. I mean, everything started to get complicated for him. He started having problems in the office. I mean, many things started to get really bad for him. He says, three months months, Paco... It wasn't like they promised.

It wasn't the month. After three months, I stopped knowing how he was. Because they fired him. They fired him. And the next one to be promoted was me.

They gave me the position. And he thinks that I was legally responsible. A few days later, the news arrived. This ex-boss, this 20-year-old boy, had died.

The sad thing is that his family doesn't explain how he died. He says, since we were his colleagues, we were invited to his funeral. And look at what this person tells me. I went because I really wanted some tamales and coffee.

I went to the funeral. He says that when he arrives at the funeral, he sees his wife, a young woman, 22 years old, a baby, his son, who was an orphan, sees his mother and sees his father. At that moment, when he saw the family who was crying for this boy who had just died in a horrible way,

he says, all the joy and all the pleasure I felt,

he says, he left.

I began to feel guilt. When I saw that child, that baby, who baby crying and his mom holding him in her arms, the idea that the baby was going to grow up as an orphan, it started to generate in me a strange feeling. For some, remorse. Regret.

We know, and I'll make a parenthesis, that when you start to feel this, I'm This person started to feel this. And he says that something started to happen to him. He says that he started to dream that he was trapped in a small place. And he couldn't move because he felt like wood. And little by little everything was clearing up and he realized that where he was, he was inside a coffin. He says that he started to feel something going up through his feet,

through his stomach, through his chest, and when he saw them up to here, his face, he said, Paco, I was dreaming of worms. He said, the worms were a horrible sensation. Despite being a dream, the worms got into my nose, through my eyes, through my ears, through my mouth. And eyes, my ears, my mouth.

I couldn't move. I felt those animals coming and going from my body. Everywhere. I woke up like this. All bad. But this dream was repeating itself over and over. It started to stop sleeping peacefully. The lack of sleep brought weakness. una y otra vez. Dice que empezó a dejar de dormir tranquilo, la falta de sueño le trajo debilidad, se le bajaron, pues ahí las defensas,

empezó a enfermar. No te voy a alargar tanto esta historia, Luisa. Esa persona empezó a tener los mismos síntomas que la persona que le había mandado a desvivir con un muerto. Él dice que lo despiden, empezó a quedar muy mal en el trabajo, that the person he had sent to live with a dead man. He says that he was fired, he started to look bad at work,

and his trusted colleagues started to tell him, Hey Hector, don't you shower or what? Why? Of course I do. Oh, man, you stink. How do you think? He says, I smelled.

No, not at all. He was stinking. His family said exactly the same thing. He took a while to understand what was happening. He said, I understand. Something, a consequence of everything I did?

He says that time went by, he started to get sick, but he didn't die. He tried, and he says but he couldn't. He tried to kill me, but he couldn't. He tried to kill me, but he couldn't. He tried to kill me, but he couldn't. He tried to kill me, but he couldn't. He tried to kill me, today I live miserable. I'm alone. I'm sick.

The little I earn is to pay for my medication. I have a cough that doesn't go away. I can't sleep. For me, sleeping is hell. Because it's dreaming how those worms start to bother him again, to fill him with the body.

And I only ask God to forgive me, because I regret what I did, especially because I left a child without his father and a wife without her husband. I regret it. It's been, imagine, since 2010,

to date, this person prefers to be dead, but they can't die. They say they can't die.

He won't be able to, because he has to pay for the karma he did. What he did was very strong, and from a very meager desire, right? Because he himself describes that the guy had all the merit to earn what he earned. describe que el chavo tenía todo el mérito para ganarse lo que lo que ganó entonces aún él sabiéndolo y desgraciadamente es algo que se da constante es envidia al éxito ajeno no ven lo que le cuesta a la persona el trabajo el tiempo simplemente ven el resultado y dicen porque yo no puedo

tenerlo pues porque tú no te esfuerzas igual porque no tienes las mismas They just see the result and say, why can't I have it? Well, because you don't try as hard because you don't have the same characteristics and so on. And something you mentioned, Paco, is about the white worms. When white worms are seen in their homes, it is immediately an unmistakable sign

that they are being made some kind of dark magic. These worms that are like human flesh, right? The ones we can see, those are... Even those that come out like in the fruit. If you let the fruit go, they are like white. The fact that there are worms inside your house

is an unmistakable sign that they are doing something to you and that you must be careful. Suddenly they talk to me and say, hey, in a drawer that had no food, it was full of white worms. Then you say, be careful, they are working on something. At night there was no food and in the morning it was full.

When it is like that, what kind of work is it? Is it death work? Yes, normally, but they pero pueden pedir tu muerte física, o tu muerte en el trabajo, o tu muerte al éxito, o tu muerte en la pareja. De pronto decimos, oye, es un trabajo de muerte, sí, pero no todos los trabajos de muerte tienen que ver con una muerte física.

Hay esa envidia de que dicen, la típica que tu mejor amiga dice, no, yo no quiero que ella tenga pareja para que tenga todo el tiempo para dedicarme a mí no?

Ay que enfermo.

Que enfermo pero lo hay. Claro. Entonces ella te puede hacer un trabajo para que tú no estés como muerta en las cuestiones de pareja y no puedas avanzar en esa área en tu vida. Ok.

Entonces si hay muchos tipos de trabajos vaya de. your life. So, yes, there are many types of jobs. It's very strong because we have realized that one of the most recurring feelings in a person who is going to work for another is envy. Almost always, I mean, it's not 100%, but I give it an 80. Envy. And the other is a is anger, the other is like a revenge issue. But envy predominates in almost all jobs.

Totally agree with you. Totally. And speaking of envy, there is something that I also want to share with you. A story of a little patient who also has to do with the pantheon.

Okay.

It turns out that this patient, I was attending her remotely because I didn't live in the same city, so suddenly there are cases that you take remotely, right? And then she starts to be sick. She also had a job in a food industry manager. She was the manager of a big company. And suddenly she starts to feel sick, sick, a weakness.

The disease is advancing. She calls me and tells me that she lost her job. She leaves her boyfriend soon. She was thinking, and then she told me she lost her job. And then she left her boyfriend. And then she started to get depressed and started to lose weight. A lot, a lot.

To the point where she was just bones. And then she said, something is wrong with me. Wow. And all of a sudden, the girl disappears. I said, I don't know what happened. And then one day, her sister comes and says, Hey, you were taking care of my sister. Notice that I'm here in her stead because she wants you to help her.

And I said, yes, what happened to her? Well, she doesn't walk anymore. Her feet were twisted. Medically, the family had a lot of economic capacity. They start doing all kinds of studies and they tell her that even the spine was deviated.

When she had not suffered a fall, there was no previous accident that justified the fact that even her spine had been twisted and it appears that someone from work had made a tie in all aspects of his life, but he really wanted to take her to death. And I tell him, here it comes out that they buried her in a pantheon but of some family member. I told her, you have to go to the pantheon or someone from your family to dig her up,

to take her out, because even if I clean her, I need you to take her out of there. Otherwise I can't, I can't consume the work. I tell her, what they did was very strong, a lot of money was paid for this damage and effectively, because you realize that the witches what they do is they put time on the work, the great great witches put time on the work if you don't free the person in the time that is allowed, then you can't do anything for that person. So we were already on time, we had something like 15-20 days, the whole family was worried, they got together, they started going to the pantheon and well, she didn't show up.

Until one of them, who didn't even know and was aware of the case, because apart from that, they are usually even embarrassing things for the family, even if they are hurting them. So they are things that you normally don't talk about or don't share with the whole family. This sister was desperate, but there were other members who didn't know about it. So one of them thinks about going to the mother's grave and remododel the grave, put plants on it and find a fetish.

They had the doll with her hair and with the small photograph on her face.

And then they see that she had the fetish on the entire spine and on her legs.

Okay.

She doesn't know what to do with that. She speaks to this sister, thank God, and says, that's what we've been looking for. She says, well, it's in your mom's grave. I got there and started to fix it. I brought her flowers and I wanted to plant pots and I found it.

What do we do? Well, there they the doll and took it away from me. And then a work of eviction, eviction begins. It was something super strong because something that happens to us, to the witches, is that if I take away a job, the one who put it will come to claim it.

Sure. Not in person, but in the astral part. que si yo quito un trabajo, el que lo puso me va a venir a reclamar. Claro.

No en persona, pero sí en parte astral. Entonces, este brujo se hizo presente y entre nosotros se llama guerrear. Mides fuerza en el plano astral hasta que dices, suéltalo. O sea, ella no te echó nada, no te pagaron ni lo suficiente. Tú ya lo hiciste, permíteme liberarla. Yo siempre intento como hablar por las buenas. Es, ¿qué más te da?

No es tu coraje, no es algo personal. Tú ni siquiera conoces a la chica, por favor, te pido que la liberes y nos evitamos el problema tuyo. I ask you to release her and we will avoid the problem between you and me. They released the girl. We stripped off each of the needles. The job was undone, it was burned. And the girl, in a matter of 15, 20 days,

she walked again, she came back to her life, she came back to vitality, because they are losing even the shine in their eyes. They are getting opaque. le volvió la vitalidad porque van perdiendo hasta el brillo en sus ojos se van poniendo opacos y como tú dices otra de las cosas muy características empiezan a oler a muerte y es algo tremendo entonces gracias a dios llegó como te digo a tiempo pudimos hacer el desalojo pero si no seguramente esta We were able to evict her, but if not, this girl would have died

because of the simple envy and anger of someone else. And curiously, she had been buried next to her mother.

I had never heard of that. The fact that you are buried in a family grave. Why is it so strong?

Because of the blood bond. It's like a mockery to curse the family lineage, not just her. So I curse you and I curse all your lineage.

And for example, you mention that all this is interesting because the spiritual wars are usually very strong. There were some priests who told me, when I get into a fight with another, for example, and I say this with a lot of respect, but that's what they told me, when they are, for example, paleros or santeros, it's a little more complicated.

In fact, there is a saying that they have, only a palero can with a palero, only a santero can con un santero, pero este, como suele ser en tu caso cuando la persona te dice no, no lo voy a soltar.

Ahí te va, ahí es un poquito diferente, el bien no pelea, el bien da amor, mandas amor y mandas luz, y confías en que el de arriba te va a dar la suficiente fuerza de And trust that the one above will give you enough strength of love and light to drive away the other human being, the other witch that is fighting against you. And they measure themselves as they measure their strength. They feel your energy and say, I can't do it here.

But it's not your energy anymore. It's literally the favor.

You are a channel. Yes, the anymore. It's coming in, literally. You're a channel.

Yes, the favor is against God.

Against God, that's right. I can't say it's my energy that fights with the other witch. Because I always ask for the intercession of the One above and of all the archangels. Personally, I work a lot with angels and archangels. And I say, let his power and his strength come in

and remove me from all evil and all harm. And until now, I'm still here.

Yes, I say one thing, and the witches have also told me directly, and people have heard it. When they get into the energy of the Creator God, forget it. In their words, they give us some drags, I mean, it literally hurts you. I mean, it hurts you even to get up and make a move, because they hit you, they come back. I mean, the strength of the creator of God as such

is very strong, obviously. I mean, the greatest protection always has to come from God. And the witches say, there is still something. The truth is, I don't go in there because I'm going to lose it. How strong, friend. Look, I want to tell you this story and it generates a pretty strong intrigue for me

because there is a way, and it is a question that I want to ask you, is there a way for you to justify a black magic work? I mean, I did it for any reason. Would there be a reason for you?

No, I lack the consciousness of the human being.

This is shared by a person who does not give me his name. He tells me, please, to be totally anonymous. To give him identity, we are going to put Pedro. A person who is currently 48 years old. But when this happens, he was about 21. And this happens in Acayucan, Veracruz.

And it happened in the year 1998. A long time ago. He tells me that he was the son of day laborers. I'm going to And Pedro tells me that he saw many very strong things. Pedro was the oldest of all. He mentions that for some reason they lived with their paternal grandmother. The point here is that in this family nucleus there was a lot of scarcity, there was poverty, there was everything.

And his father, who was a day laborer, loved to drink. And so, he witnessed how his father, when he came home from his day labor, for anything that he didn't like or that wasn't the way he wanted, he would beat his wife, his mom. He, and he says, I witnessed how my father not only raped her,

and I'm going to say it and they're going to censor it here, my father raped my mom every night. He says, you're hell, Paco? To hear how your mother was begging you to stop, to hurt her, to hurt her. And to hear how she was crying, but her tears were drowned,

so she wouldn't wake her children up, so they wouldn't realize that something was going wrong. He said, Once once I was upset. I remember I was eight years old at the time. I got up and went to his room.

It was the worst decision I ever made. My father beat me so hard that I lost consciousness. I woke up with my mom in the hospital. The only thing that comforts me is that day, that beast left my mom alone, at least that night. Because when I didn't answer, they thought I had...

And he left, out of fear, he disappeared for a few days. That's the only thing that comforts me. In those few days, my mother said, rest. Even though they lived in the house of this guy's mother, he was not a son.

No, Pelé, no. It's harder. She's not a good enough woman for you. That's what I said. She has to do whatever you ask her. Like this. That lady, who I hate to admit was my grandmother,

encouraged my father to do more bad things. She said, all my brothers, including me, worked. As the years went by, more brothers were born, the lady had more children. They had several, that's all she told me. And they all started working in the field, everyone had to go to the mill early in the morning,

go here, go there, I mean, go up and down. She says, when I turned 20, more or less, 19, 20, on the working day, I ran into a man, a man in his sixties. He told me that a person from the neighboring town did a job for him, and all this witchcraft. Honestly, it aroused my interest. I asked, who is he?

He told me that he is a man who works in the neighboring town. And what does that man do? His answer was, whatever you ask. How? Yes, whatever you town. And what does that man do? His answer was, whatever you ask him. How? Yes, whatever you ask him.

How what? Well, he can bring you the love of your life, he can do that. I mean, how did this old man, this man, sorry, don't get mad at me, this man, what this man started doing

was to tell him, well, you can do whatever you want. And he said, can you erase a person from this world? He said, yes, yes, I can do it. And that's when this interest of, OK,

he said that for him, it was a new topic, he had never heard of witchcraft, black magic, all that, but he was interested. He said he of witchcraft, black magic, all that. But he was still interested. He said he was very Catholic, deeply Catholic.

And he says that once he heard again how his father fucked his mother and how he fucked her. He says that day he sank. In his room there was an image of the Virgin of Guadalupe. And he, being a young adult, 19 years old,

said to God, let me look for this man to disappear my father and my grandmother. Please, let me go. Give me a sign. And he tells me that when he saw this Virgin of Guadalupe,

he saw how she was crying. He said, Paco, the image cried. For me, that was a sign. He said, I started crying. He still says he picks up the tear with his hand, with his fingers. And he kept crying.

But he took it as a sign that he had to do it. He goes to this man, he talks to him, and he said, Yes, of course. And he says that he gives him a doll of this size, which had a very strange shape, it had an animal face, it was a type of deity.

He said, look, what you are going to do is that you are going to put this doll under your dad's bed and under your grandmother's bed, three nights in one and three nights in another, what you are going to do later is and here, I mean, I mean, I'm not going to say the ritual again, but he had to collect things like hair, nails, and especially a garment. When the night of the vigil is over, you are going to wrap it in the garment and you are going to go to the pantheon. You are going to look for the oldest tomb, and you are going to make a hole and you are going to bury it. Those people are going to go for the oldest grave. You're going to make a hole and bury him. Those people are going to leave. I guarantee it. He put this monkey under his father's bed and under his grandmother's bed.

He was determined because he said, Paco, every night at my house I era escuchar a mi madre sufrir llorar y este llanto porque dice yo escuchaba como ella se ponía sus manos así para que su llanto no saliera para tragarse y dice yo ya tenía la edad de confrontar a mi padre pero él le tenía tanto miedo si yo le tenía tanto miedo que cuando su papá lo confrontaba o lo regañaba dice yo me orinaba ya tenía yo 18 años y yo me orinaba I was so scared of him that when his dad confronted him or scolded him, he said, I peed myself. I was already 18 years old and I peed myself. I mean, I was so scared of that man.

So he did it. He says that one day he was coming from the town and he found his grandmother crying. Her mother was not crying, she was quiet. His dad had stayed there working, he finished his day, he said, well, I'm going to have a few drinks, he ordered a beer, he got drunk with the group of colleagues,

and drunk, he started to have a fight with a colleague, they said words, the other colleague had his mother next to him. And he ended his father's life. They say, he tells me, that the bullet went through his son's body. It was on the floor. He had blown a whole piece of it off.

And here he had the biggest one. That's what ripped his life apart. He says that his mother, on the day of his father's funeral, and I'm like, okay, I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm gonna go to the bathroom.

I'm gonna go to the bathroom. I'm gonna go to the bathroom. The lady, I mean, the husband no longer mistreated her, now the mother-in-law mistreated her. All the time, she didn't get her down from... Puh, we know, she didn't get her down from the worst. And all the time she would say, How dare you, none of those kids are my grandchildren. You're there, they're not my grandchildren. And my mother didn't say anything, she swallowed everything.

And he said in his mind, this old woman has to go too. And yes, it is assumed that at some point the lady was in her van making food and her brothers who saw her said that she bent down and grabbed her chest like that, she squeezed her chest like chest and just fell. He stopped, he said, I was happy. My mom was already in a house, she had already left the house.

He says, Paco, we live wonderfully. My brothers, my mother, she regained her brightness, my mother smiled after so many years. Nothing could go wrong, Paco. It was wonderful to see my mother happy, to see everything full. I never dared to tell her anything. And one day, something very sad happens.

He says he came from work. When one of his brothers reaches him, he says, Pedro, Pedro, you have to come. Mom, it's really bad. What happened? The lady was supposed to be washing clothes in a river and a snake, a snakebite, bit her.

They started taking her to the health centers. They didn't have the antidote. And the lady, her mother, lost her life. He doesn't explain how it's possible. He made a mistake in the ritual. He had to put this figure under his father and grandmother's bed.

He forgot that the same bed where his father slept, his father, I also slept with his mother. And he tells me, for years I have tried to deceive myself that my mother died, not because of me, for years. But deep down I know it was because of me. I don't know what would have been worse, what I did or what I wouldn't have done. He feels, obviously, that he had a big fault, that his mother left too. That's why I ask you, is there a justification for you?

For him, yes, there is. For me, honestly, no. Because I think there would have been more alternatives. But that's what happened.

Look, when there's this kind of case, literally, you put it to the creator. It's, I can't do this, you solve it in the best way. That's what we should do, right? Yes. If there are minor things to stop,

which is not to kill someone, much less, right? There are things that can be done, like a kind of freezing someone, just so that it does not continue to hurt. Sure.

And it is always asked in communion with the universe that the appropriate thing is allowed for this person. And the only thing that is asked is... Can I say it as it is? It is, I bind you so that you do not hurt anyone or yourself. So you are also asking for that person's spirit.

And another thing that is done a lot is, you speak, we all have a wise self. So that wise self, that soulful self, you speak with the soulful self of the other person and you say, this that you are doing is not right. Act on the human consciousness of this person,

on the physical part, so that this that you are doing stops. And it has never failed me. There is a complete change of understanding. And sometimes the person doesn't know why, but they just leave.

I read this story, and it made me angry, I felt so powerless, and it's really sad. And I would love to say, it's not happening anymore.

There are a lot of women who are living this hell today. But also, as you mentioned, be very careful. You just gave a form and a perfectly correct formula, which is, I leave it in your hands, do it.

And it can happen, I mean, whatever, you are saying, I can't do this, but you can. Because what he did was manipulate energy, but a dark energy, a dense energy. And we know, and I've told you, that these kinds of deals are like a contract with tiny black letters. That we don't read often.

And that's why what happens to you, happens to you.

And there's something very important. Here I was working in a direct line. A direct line is a bloodline. There are also certain rituals that are used so that the relative, when it's like this, the grandmother, the the mother, the father or the children are hurting you, you can ask the universe to stop.

And a decree is made that says, from blood to blood is love, from blood to blood is never hurt, what you said to me, 70 times 7 for you. So you are not attacking the other human being. Lo que decías para mí, 70 veces 7 para ti. Entonces, tú no estás atacando al otro ser humano. Si el ser humano te bendice, bendecido será.

Por supuesto.

Si te maldice, maldecido será. Pero es su energía la que está actuando sobre el mismo. Tú no le estás diciendo ningún mal.

Todo se le está regresando. Pero es su energía, no la tuya. But it's his energy, not yours. It's like they say, God bless you and give you everything. It's a way of saying, you know, if you're alone, you're not.

Of course, totally. And it's his own energy coming back with more force. Of course. You have to be careful.

70 times 7.

70 times 7.

There it is. This is important because I'm going to tell you something. A lot of people who write to me, the biggest conflict they have is not with their worst enemy, or maybe yes, but their worst enemy is in their own house. It's the brother, it's the aunt, it's the cousin, it's even the dad. So that's very sad.

Very sad, but you have to see where it comes from. Because normally the things that come through lineage are previous repetitions. And there are even therapeutic ways, like the family constellations, that help you cut the ties and help repair the damage from generation to generation so that it stops. And if you work it that way, believe me, I've seen wonderful results. It seems like magic, but it's not.

It's just about accommodating the orders of the family and the orders of love.

That's amazing, friend. There it is. Please, all the people who have these doubts,

there is very valuable of valuable information. Look Paco, there is a strong story, even though it has been many years. This situation is in one of the most emblematic pantheons in the city of Guadalajara. This pantheon is called the Pantheon of Belen. Currently, it only has night tours. There is no space where you can bury someone. It's full. Because it was the first Pantheon of Guadalajara.

So, there are very ancient tombs. And the story I want to tell you today is precisely about one of the most emblematic tombs in this place. Okay. It is known as the tomb of Nachito. What is going on with this boy? This boy lived, I don't know, 200 years ago.

Let's put it that way. This boy was small, he was about 5 or 7 years old. 200 años, ¿no? Vamos le poniendo. Este niño era pequeño, tenía más o menos la edad entre cinco y siete años. Y la historia o la leyenda que se cuenta es que él era un niño que todas las noches tenía terrores nocturnos

y que tenía muchísimo, muchísimo temor de quedarse a oscuras. Entonces, este niño pertenecía a una de las familias más adineradas de la ciudad de Guadalajara. Era el único hijo de esa familia. Y entonces una noche la madre y el padre deciden ir a un baile

y el niño no quería quedarse solo. My parents decided to go to a dance and the boy didn't want to be alone. He begs them not to leave him alone. But since he was from a very wealthy family, there was someone to take care of him. However, they tell him that he is not going to be alone, that they are going to be gone for a while and that they are going to come back and that he is going to be fine, that he has nothing to fear. que realmente van un pequeño rato y que ellos van a regresar y que él va a estar bien que no tiene por qué temer.

El niño acepta esta situación. Por alguna situación que no sabemos, esa noche cae una gran tormenta y se va toda la luz de esta mansión donde vivía este pequeñito. and all the light of this mansion where this little boy lived goes out. The situation is so traumatic and so strong for this child that it is said that he suffers a fulminating impact of the terror that this situation caused him. The little one dies and well, it is a great, great tragedy for the family. El pequeño fallece y bueno pues es una gran gran tragedia para la familia.

Obviamente con culpa arrepentimiento por haberlo dejado. Pero pues realmente no imaginaban la magnitud del temor de este niño a quedarse en la oscuridad solo sin sus padres. to stay in the dark alone without his parents. It is said that they take this child and bury him. The next day, for no apparent reason, the burial worker arrives and tells the family and tells them that the coffin is upstairs. The parents, scared, without knowing what to do in the face of such a situation, say,

no, we have to bury him again, still with a lot of pain, a ceremony is held again, they light candles, in short, a priest is taken. No one explains what is happening. And then, well, they bury him again. But the next morning, they find this coffin again. To not make the story so long, it keeps happening. Para no hacerte tan larga la historia, sigue ocurriendo.

Hasta que los padres entienden que el temor del niño aún después en su muerte sigue siendo tan grande que sigue buscando la luz y el sol. After this, the parents decide to build a coffin for him on the top of the quarry. And that's where the little one is buried. And they don't leave him down there anymore. Because they understand that what he asked for was that he didn't want to be in the dark. But if this is too... Well, too abrupt, too strong for us,

what is still worse is that it seems that this child has not rested. Nowadays it is one of the most visited places where people go and offer chocolates, carts, toys. You arrive and every six months they clean the tomb of all the objects that people go and offer Nachito, el cual se ha convertido como en un santo no santo, pero en el cual las personas siguen alimentando esto y siguen creyendo y hay quienes dicen que Nachito ha sanado a sus hijos, que Nachito les ha hecho milagros y van y le siguen ofreciendo cosas. Ahora nosotros hemos ido a investigar y déjame decirte que se han logrado capturar ciertos Now, we have gone to investigate and let me tell you that they have managed to capture certain audios

where the child is heard laughing around the grave at night and this is daily, the cars start moving, the toys, or you stand next to the grave and the dress or clothes pull you. And normally the audio that is heard is either laughter or something is asking you. We have an audio out there, in some research, where the child is clearly heard the child saying, you don't have a chocolate, asking for it.

No.

So it's super, super chilling. And there have been people who say that they have taken photos and that the child appears in the back or next door or they see him playing as a spectrum. And that to this date, this child seems to not rest.

Do you have that evidence that you can share with us, Luisa?

In fact, I sent them photographs of the grave. I owe you the evidence because I have to dig into all the investigations.

No, yes, there are a lot. I have to try to find part of the investigation or the audios to send them to you. No, si, no son muchísimas. and they go straight to heaven. That's what they believe. Aha, that's what they believe. But what I also believe, and it's my criterion, and I can be wrong, is that of all these people who feed him, who give him offerings,

you can also create an egregore. Of course, totally. So, another energy comes and takes up all the energy that people are giving it, it gets stronger, because at the time I had read that story, and believe me, I was already forgetting it, I really remembered it, and I understand that, for example, the pantheon owners of this place have seen it.

And for them it is already the most normal thing in the world to walk and see a child just like hiding in the grave. In the graves, yes. They say, it's Nachito, there he is. But they tell you with a ... at the time a person interviewed a pantheon owner and they tell you with a naturalness, just like ... we already hear him laugh, suddenly he gets a ball, and the ball starts moving by itself.

I mean, it's a story that, honestly, as a father, it hits me, because, poor kid, I mean, really, poor kid, he's so scared of the dark, he's left alone,

the storm, the thunders, sometimes adults are scared of thunder. Now, imagine a poor baby, I mean, it's a very sad story. And the other part, what do you consider to be what is manifested? Do you think it's really him? Look, the legend, because it's a legend, the tomb is as such,

but the real story says that there is a man who is a priest, and he is a priest, and it's a legend, the tomb is as such, but the real story says that there is an Ignatius who was indeed buried, but who did not die as a child. Although the coffin that is in the tomb above is of a small body, it is like this. Okay. So, I do believe that what you say has been formed. A Negregor. And it has been so strong for so long that it has strengthened.

Sure.

And the child looks, because I've had the chance to see him, he looks like he's from the time.

Sure. Totally.

The clothing. He's wearing a vest. Yes, it's very curious. And he asks you for things, and he asks you for offerings.

Has he spoken to you?

Yes, but not a conversation like you and I have. As soon as he realizes that he says a phrase, I had to tell him, on one occasion, what are you doing in my grave? And then he ran away, got lost in the graves.

Wow.

So normally a spirit does look for you to help it. In fact, that time I tried to get closer and I said, Hey, I want to work with you. I don't want to leave. Leave me here. I don't want anything. When someone says that to you, you start to suspect that it is not a spirit. Because most spirits want light and that you help them transcend.

So it is either from the darkness or it is something else.

And Joel, I do consider, with everything I have read, that it can be an energy which is obviously very pleasant, because he is feeding with his hands full, he is being offered toys, chocolates, he is being offered flowers, candles.

It's impressive the worship that there is towards him, it's really impressive. People really consider him as a saint.

I had just read about a woman who I think had cancer and went to Nachito's grave and prayed and said, heal me. And from there, many people

have been asking her for things and literally, I mean, not officially by the church, but by the locals and the people, he is practically San Nachito.

Wow!

What a good legend.

I would like to add something that you mentioned a while ago, that it is believed that children do not stay because they do not have sins, they do not have malice and they transcend immediately. But there are situations that bind to the spirit. For example, there are children who die without knowing what death is. They did not have any approach in their life.

Normally, at an early age, your first approach is that your puppy, your kitten, some pet dies.

And it is your approach when you begin to understand what is the transcendence.

Okay.

When the child does not know this process, they see the light and the light scares them. They do not know what is ahead. So you have to explain to them that they have to cross that portal, that they have to continue. So, yes, there are cases, there are few, there are few, that's true. Why? Because the guardian angel helps them a lot in that process, to cross. But like everyone, there are spirits that stay.

Now, be very careful out there, because the favorite phase of the evil to represent himself is precisely in an infant to gain your confidence and to get closer and to be able to catch you.

I have always said that phrase to people, for example, there is the spirit of the man, the woman, the nun, the old woman, but when there is the there, be careful. Because when you show up, it's to send you to the other world. On many occasions, many occasions, because, just as you say, you generate empathy. You generate this feeling of poor thing, something very strong. Look, I want to ask you something. Do you consider that the Med medalla de San Benito,

por ejemplo, se puede usar para cosas malas?

Todo símbolo tiene doble significado. Y sí lo puedes llegar a utilizar, invertido.

Hay eso que acabas de decir, ojalá, y mucha gente many people never forget it. Because I consider it one of the ways in which the evil or people with evil can make someone fall faster. Because you are a little virgin, a little saint, a little saint of San Benito, and you say, oh, well, it's God's, right? I mean, there can't be anything wrong. Serious mistake.

There's a pantheon builder who writes to me. And he tells me that he's still working at this pantheon. And he tells me that he comes from a family of pantheon builders. And that's almost very common, right? That my dad, my grandfather, they've worked in a pantheon. And now it's the youngest's turn.

And he had always been very comfortable and quite used to working in a pantheon because he accompanied his dad, his grandfather. Every time a person from the village died, he helped, from a young age, to make the patio, and we would go through the graves. As an adult, you learn to respect them, right? Not to step on them, and all that.

But when you're a kid, well, what? And he grew up like that all the time, he wasn't afraid. He says that sometimes he's in the little house where his dad is, and he says that he's afraid of the kids, and he's afraid all the time, he wasn't afraid. He says that sometimes he was in the little house where his dad was.

He said, son, it's almost 8 at night, it's already dark. Go for a walk and if you see this, don't worry, we're leaving. And he goes in the other one. He says, Paco, when I was 10, walk, he says, all the perimeter of the pantheon, I was walking, I was whistling, I never saw anything, he says, I really never saw anything. Until I was almost 34 years old, I had to see something. He says that he was already working as such, his father had already died, he already had his wife, he had children, and he was deeply Catholic. He says that on the first night, he heard something strange.

He started to hear something like something dragging on the ground, but strong. He says, first he heard it from far away, and then little by little, he started to hear it closer and closer. He thought it was someone on the street or something. And he realized that it was not. He went inside the pantheon. He goes out, takes his flashlight, and as if nothing had happened, he starts walking through the whole pantheon.

He doesn't see anything. Except that almost until the end, in a grave, he says, I give my tours, I know everything perfectly. I realized that the ground around that grave was like removed. Like when someone makes a hole and covers it again. Then I felt very strange.

But well, I didn't see anything. I didn't see anyone. He came out and went back to his booth. The next day, he was still calm. He says he was watching a small television that I had in the booth, that gave you only two channels in black and white, and again he began to hear how something was dragging.

He says, at that point I said, fast, I have to go see. He had no gun, he only had his flashlight, and sometimes he went with his shovel or something that he could use as a defense. He says he goes to the place where he had seen the earth being removed, is Something that my dad told me is that the wizards come and bury things. He said, but it's late. I said, no, I'd better see it tomorrow morning. The third day he comes and he has this idea that you have to go see, use the shovel and see what's there.

And he says he forgot until he heard this noise again, as if something was beginning to crawl. He says he quickly pulls his pick and goes to where that grave was. He says that in the distance he sees something and I want to describe it. He says, Paco, it was about 50 meters away. It was getting dark. I saw a being about 2 meters, but it was hunched.

It was like this meters tall, but he was hunched over. He was hunched over, his hands were in this position, and he had long hair, like a black woman. He says, when I say, hey, who's there? With the flashlight, he says this thing, jumps to the other side, because there's a bar, but with surprising agility. And I didn't see him anymore, he says, what he first thought

he was was like a crouched person and then he says I saw him as if he were a dog, that is, he was something amorphous, he was something strange and again he arrived and the earth was removed, he says at that time he felt like a concern but he grabbed his beak pick and started digging in the ground with his shovel. And he says he finds nothing more and nothing less than a San Benito medal. He knew the medal perfectly. He picks it up, he even says it was like gold. He automatically thought, I'm from here, let's see how much they give me. or automatically penso de aquí soy a ver cuánto me dan no

se hizo fácil agarrarse agarrar y llevarse llegando a su casa pues a ir a lo recibe su esposa sus hijos dice que dice mira mi amor todavía lo que le dice mira lo que te traje mira o sea es una regla de oro no agarrar nada que no sea tuyo dos más está en el panteón a golden rule, not to take anything that is not yours, two, more if it's in the patio. But he says, oh, how nice. And he says, yes, just like in a bracelet,

he put it on his wife's wrist. That's when the whole mess began. He says that his wife began to dawn on her legs, like with these chupetones or moretes. He says that the first time he noticed it was when she came out of the shower, sat down, and he sees her legs all full of these purple spots.

He still says that he did that to her. He says, no, no, no, I don't remember. And when he goes exploring, he realizes that also the back She said, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, and She started to have sleep paralysis. She had never had sleep paralysis. And this guy, let's say, he got a 20. Because he says, hey, look at your wife. You have a very bad dream. And the night I went to bed, I had paralysis. And I saw a being outside the window, kind of weird.

He said he had the face of a dog, but he was very big, he was like a very big dog. He remembered. He said, no, it can't be. I mean, it started to make sense to him, right? And he said, hey, my love, lend me your bracelet,

I'm going to take it to polish it, something like that. And he says that he went to the church with this, I'm going to make a video about it. I'm going to make a video about it. I'm going to make a video about it. I'm going to make a video about it. I'm going to make a video about it. I'm going to make a video about it. I'm going to make a video about it. He says, I put this in this container.

It's not like the movies, literally, it boils. But he started to get a lot of particles, like something that starts to crumble, and above all, like to bubble, very slightly. He says, I took it out, and he like in this fight of what do I do? His wife said, hey, when do you give me my bracelet?

And he had it saved, what do I do? Especially, who does it belong to? He says that one night, after thinking about it a lot, he went to the Pantheon in that same tomb, just where he finds it, he buries this. And he says that after hears this noise again.

He goes to see it and again he says, Paco, I see that being again. When I point at him, he noticed that this thing had hair. His whole body was black, but he had hair, I mean, everything, everything, everything, hair as if it were a dog. He says, I moved there with the shoe to see. This thing had taken that bracelet that I had given my wife.

He took it, never saw it again. I had to tell my wife that it fell out of my bag. He says, how do you think? Yes, it fell out. I dropped it from my bag. He said, how can you believe it? I dropped it. Even though it was gold, I told him I had lost it. But I will never understand

what that thing was and why there was a San Benito medal. He said, I would imagine a holy death, a devil, and I say it with a lot of respect, but that's what he mentions to me. But why a San Miguel medal? It's the first time he's told me that for years he lived in a pantheon. What do you think, Amelia?

Well, they even make fun of sacred objects. And you mentioned it a while ago, the strongest rituals are those that are performed on a church or on a sanctuary.

That's right.

As a mockery, there is a profanation and a sarcasm, you could say, against the protections. And for me, what was there was a Nahual.

The thing is, I'm fascinated by the Nahuals because it's so mysterious, so popular, but at the same time there's not enough proof to say that in all the cultures of the world there are Nahual. Do you believe in the Nahual?

Yes, totally.

My dream, and I say it again, is to introduce you to a Nahual. A lot of people have sent me emails saying they say, Paco, I can get it for you. And I say, but it's really going to go in its human form. And I've said it and I'll say it again, I'm willing, and I hope the right person arrives, to pay money, 100,000 pesos, if I can witness a transformation.

And I'll say it again, I need to see that to finish convincing myself, because I do believe it, but at the same time, there's a lot of talk throughout history, and there's no more Nahuales or something like that. But I'll say it again, if anyone knows someone, send me an email, ExtraNormalPodcasts, at jimel.com,

and I'll pay that amount if they let me see it. segundo manden un correo extra normal podcast a roba gmail.com y les pago esa cantidad si me permiten ver ahí está ya te voy a contar más

adelante amiga que es lo que es lo que me dicen ok me parece muy bien paco pues déjame compartir de una historia más esta historia comienza con una investigación en el panteón de selaya It all started with an investigation at the Celaya Pantheon. It was done independently. At that time, I had a female cameraman and a female co-driver. So we decided to intern in this cemetery and as you say we did not have

as many expectations but hey there had been several calls normally we go to the places for the calls of the people and what they tell us about the site and then they said that they heard laments that well that there shadows, that something was happening on that patio. We are entering and something that catches my attention is that it starts to be hot. Normally you feel the cold places, not hot. No calientes. No, aquí era un calor que de verdad, o sea, de tenerte que estar limpiando el sudor, porque era impresionante. Pero nada más, o sea, era muy curioso porque cruzabas la puerta de este panteón y era hacia adentro.

Pero en la parte de afuera, tú salías y estaba haciendo hasta frío. Entonces, sí decías, pues desde ahí está como raro, ¿no? La historia. Total, que cuando las personas que nos dieron el permiso y todo, les digo, nos acompañan a dar el recorrido, nadie se quiso quedar. Me dijeron, no, no, no, o sea, yo te di el permiso, pero yo no me... No, ni de loco entro ahí, ¿no?

Entonces nos quedamos las tres mujeres solas, la que llevaba la cámara y la que conducía. En ese entonces, tú recordarás que las cámaras, no había todavía los aparatitos del micrófono como ahora lo traemos, ¿no? De solapas no era tan común como ahora. It wasn't as common as it is now. Yes, it was the microphone of the camera. Of the camera with cable.

So we're going in and they start pulling me. I always let the spirit or the spirits of the place guide me to what I have to see or what I have to observe that night. And we started walking, walking, walking. And in the middle of the pantheon, I found a tomb that was a huge, beautiful mausoleum. I could tell you that, by far, that pantheon doesn't have that kind of tombs. And I start to see it full of Masonic symbols.

And then, well, it caught my attention, right? And I say, let's see, there's something weird here. And curiously, it had the lock, it was the face of the evil man we know, that we have always been told about, with horns, this face as well as elongated, the teeth.

So I keep watching and I say, is that this tomb is ritualized. When suddenly the co-driver starts screaming in an impressive way and I say, what's wrong with you? They are hitting me with the microphone, not with the microphone, el látigo, bueno el cable, literalmente la estaban golpeando. Entonces, ella estaba asustadísima, me avienta el micrófono y sale corriendo y dice, sabes que, yo hasta aquí llegué, no voy a seguir trabajando contigo, no puedo, o sea, esto es demasiado para mí. I'm not going to keep working with you, I can't, this is too much for me and then I tell him, you know what? No, there's something here

and we're going to find out and you're not going to leave I told him, apart from that, if you want to leave, you would have to walk to the entrance which was not a short stretch, by yourself so he said, no, what a terror to go there, right? Sure. For this, it was very curious, because you realize that where we were going, it started to fill with cockroaches. But when I tell you to fill with cockroaches, don't think that three,

four, Paco. I mean, there was a point where there there were walls where they put the crypts and they were, 5 or 6 cockroaches would come and fall on your head I mean, it was shaking the cockroaches but like where they were guiding us to that grave and you realize that everything around but respected the grave

I mean, the cockroaches didn not go up, it was very rare. So, she was panicked, the cameraman too. And apart, right in front, there was a tomb that they had already told us that there was a lot of manifestation. This tomb was very peculiar because it had stairs and you literally went down, what can I tell you, I think about six meters down the stairs. There was no light.

So I said, these two tombs have something and they are connected, I don't know what, but they are connected. And I tell know what, but they are connected. And I tell you, here was one, here was the other. The other one, the mausoleum, there was no access, the door was closed. But this one, yes. We decided to enter. The co-driver could no longer, she stayed on the outside. I enter with the cameraman and I hear a child's laughter.

And I say, something is not right here. The place was full of these capulin spiders and scorpions. But only the bottom part so I say, definitely here they did a very strong ritual to what I understood, they wanted to free him for work that he had done in life

and as the spirit could not be released and they went and offered him Oh no, they offered him children. Oh no! They offered him children.

So, I don't know if there were tunnels down there. I mean, we went in, we went down almost 6 meters.

Wow.

And you could see small graves. So I said, this has to do with the relationship.

With the other one.

To be able to free him, how many lives did they offer? We don't know. But also on that occasion, this fearless girl comes out, because we started to hear laughter, the animals, in short, there was a lot of stress between the team, and I tell her, well, let's do the last thing, you can't record anymore because fear doesn't allow them, take some photos. I'm going to show you a surprise, that in the windows, blue children come out. Do you have that photo? Let me look for it, and if I look for it,

because I was looking for the investigation, I tell you, this was at least 15, 16 years ago. Wow! But I have never forgotten, I mean, it has been one of the strongest places, and I had never talked about it anywhere.

Thank you very much. Because, believe me, I was left without a driver that night. And the cameraman too. I mean, it didn't last without sleeping, I don't know how long, because it was impressive to get there, and they were still the first cameras that had come out,

which were still digital, but old.

And when we got there and we saw the boy peeking out I'm But you tie the offerings. Yes, of course. Or something else. Cockroaches also refer to a demon in particular. The demon of flies, the lord of flies, of pestilence. That's right. Belzebub. I laugh a little bit. You know what happened to me?

I had a cameraman who said, I'm not going in there, I'm not going in there, because if suddenly we look for evidence. And something happens to me because I have the phone. I mean, we have the cameras, they are recording, but I did an exercise with a camera.

I managed to get a digital camera, one of these 15 years old, for photos. I don't know why. Don't ask me. I'm trying to understand why. But with those cameras it's easier to capture a ghost, a spirit, than with the cell phone. I don't know why.

And even more, I'm going to give you another tip and they come out cheaper. Let's see. The cameras that take instant photos, there is nothing better to capture a ghost evidence than those.

I've always said it, these cameras have something, I don't know, the lens, the sensor. I don't know. Maybe our phones. Yes, but you have to make a lot of effort. But the other cameras, the small ones, the ones you said, I mean, a lot of people have told me that. And with that you get it.

That's where the evidence comes from. That seems surprising to me. Wow, what a conversation you just had, my friend. I want to thank you for giving us this conversation. How did you have fun?

Very good, very good. I'm also going thinking about the stories you told us. It's a world that never ceases to surprise me, Paco. Because when you think you've seen everything in all these years, stronger things come out. And those of us who like this topic, you fall in love

and every time you become addicted to the adrenaline.

That's right. Amiga, thank you very much, first of all, for accepting the invitation. Really, very grateful, very honored to have you here in our studios. For all the people who watched the whole episode, please remember us on social media. You can find me as Luisa Cardenas on all social media.

Thank you, thank you very much, friend. I want to thank you very much. Thank you also to all the audience that watches until the end of the episodes. You know that I thank you very much to the whole podcast family that reaches the end of the episodes. You know I'm very grateful to the Podcast family that it reaches the end. I send you a big hug, a huge blessing and above all, remember that this talk does not end here.

There is that second part, there is that cursed story that will be on our website. I invite you to also take a walk there. www.podcastextranormal.com.mx If you dare, I'll see you there. Until next time.

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This wound, the small one, was the most dangerous.

The vein is there.

The vein. One thing is to fight other witches, another thing is to take away jobs, to take away spirits that don't belong, to help them pass, and another thing is to get into

and another thing is to get into too low entities.