Rep. Tim Burchett: I've talked with President Trump about UFO disclosure | Reality Check

Hey, I'm Joe Khalil here with Reality Check for Ross Colthart. We just sat down with Congressman Tim Burchett for an extended interview on his recent briefing that he got, which he came out of with a sort of different perspective and said, look, if the country were able to see and hear what he saw and what he heard, it would be a paradigm shift. You'll see in the interview here that we let him talk. I asked a question, and he really just took it and would run with it.

But it was a lot of good insight, a little bit of frustration about why there is not progress more so than there already has been. But a lot of interesting insight from a guy who has now been in the rooms and on the front lines of disclosure. Here is that interview. Congressman, we have heard a lot about this briefing that you got. You've been talking a lot about it.

Not in detail of what you heard. Sure. But can you lay out leaving that briefing, seems like you were a changed man after that. Talk to me about what the feeling was after.

I've had multiple briefings and I guess, you know, I get a lot of doubters and people make fun of me and members of Congress, which is kind of ironic because there's always the guy in the crowd that makes a joke about it after somebody else does and they come up to me and say, man, I need to tell you something. You know, I'm in the military or I saw something or got a lot of people interested in this issue. But the, and I've had so many of these briefings now, I even had one since the one that you're describing I had that was a member of our leadership arranged, which tells you the serious nature of this thing.

And, you know, I just think people need to know what we've seen and what these pilots are seeing. And Luna, for instance, we requested all those videos. And she has, you know, they have kind of a deadline when she'd like to have them by. And she calls over there and they say, well, we don't know anything about the letter kind of stuff. The same old stuff you and I have run into for years on this issue.

And America's just ready. I think they would be alarmed about what it is. And I think, but I think mostly they'd be alarmed at why the government won't allow it out, and what's at the base of it, and all the theories aside, whether you think it's extraterrestrial, if you think it's something from this Earth, you know, if it's the Russians or the Chinese or the Americans,

which I don't think it is. And then maybe allow some of the pilots to talk and tell it exactly what they've seen. And the last briefing, I had some pretty incredible photos, and I think that you should have the right to see those. And the critics are going to blast it. You know, they're going to say it's AI, it's whatever,

but you've got to go back and ask yourself, why would some of the best pilots in the world, why would they risk their credibility to come out with this? Because any time they make a sighting, a lot of times they'd have to get a sight evaluation and get all this stuff,

even if it was something they saw on the radar. But now we've got officers in the Navy seeing these very large objects on the sonar traveling at a very high rate of speed, something that's exponentially faster than anything we can accomplish. You've got to realize that you have an object out there in the ocean that hovers above the ocean in the air,

that hovers for what could be hours on end. We have nothing with that capability. You'd run out of fuel. And then when they take off, they just, you know, maybe straight up and the power to do that is something, the energy it'd take to fuel Los Angeles. I mean, it is that incredible and I just don't see any reason why our government should be

hiding it and I don't like going into a meeting and an elected bureaucrat tells us that the president is on a need-to-know basis. To me, that should be very telling to America that there's a lot more going on with this behind the scenes than we're aware.

And you've heard that directly?

Sure, absolutely. Absolutely. And, you know, and I know Matt Gates spoke a couple weeks ago about a briefing he had on a, you know, on a breeding thing between, you know, alien life. But he didn't say he'd seen it. He didn't say it was fact.

He just said that it was discussed with him by a member of the military. And have I heard those things? Oh, sure, I've heard those before, but I haven't seen anything. And I have my own beliefs about it, about all the what's going on, but that doesn't necessarily mean I'm right or wrong. I just think it's time for America to get this stuff, get this information.

What can you share about that briefing that, you know, really made you come out and say people would be shocked to see this? Can you tell us about, you know, what's the biggest issue?

Yeah, well, it was, I can tell you that just, because everything I asked about, because there was someone in there in the meeting I felt like that was there to disrupt, to maybe say that this person was not telling the truth. And again, this person had no reason to lie to us. There's no... It was in the SCIF, of course, so I'm very limited on the... on anything I can really say about it.

But... but they said... I gave certain incidences that had occurred and that I'd heard occur. And they could name dates, people, places, and to me it was very convincing. There was no, there was, and I knew some of it, and they filled in the gaps. And these were things that, there was no hesitation whatsoever. It was no, well, you know, it was kind of, it wasn't anything like that. It was just straightforward.

And then when this person asked these questions, I felt like they were too disrupt and contradict what they were saying. And it was just a complete 180. And that's what you're going to have, because you're going to have members of Congress who want to, for whatever reason, they don't want the truth or they know it, and there's a certain arrogance up here, too.

You've got to admit that. I mean, there's a certain arrogance up here too. You got to admit that. I mean there's a complete arrogance and again I don't I don't know if it's about Little Green Men or Flying Saucers I just know we're spending tens of millions of dollars on something. I think we should know what the heck we're spending that money on and you can when they bring it all out just let people make up their own minds because there's going to be a group that's going to say, and look,

I'm a born-again Christian. I'm from the forgiven end of that spectrum. But I'm not worried about the demonic element. I hear people say that. But there's no reason for demons to be doing this. It's such a small little area.

I mean, you know, they could come up here to Congress as easy as maybe they already

have.

I don't know.

But, and I think it's the Chinese or the Russians, and I go back over this. If it was the Russians, they wouldn't be bogged down in Ukraine. If it was the Chinese, they'd own us. Some would argue, as I've stated, they own us already, but more so. And would it be the Americans?

Why in the world would we risk a half a billion dollar high-tech aircraft or a fleet of aircraft or a battleship or something to be around these things and a pilot losing their life when we just saw rightfully so the president spent. We spent millions of dollars to rescue a pilot. You know, we did not. There's no telling what that cost, but that's

that's a signal to the rest of the world and to our people that we value life. So there's no reason for us to be doing that. And I won't go too far into it, but I've talked to folks that are at the highest levels, and they will tell you that they've asked the one higher up level and the whole security paradigm, I guess. And they've indicated that it is definitely not them.

So that sort of transitions me well to my next question, which is that we've heard rumors about President Trump potentially preparing for some level of disclosure about...

And I believe that. I had that very conversation

with him. So where where is he on that? Is he ready to do that? And a follow up on that before you get to it is let's say he makes some kind of statement during the war with Iran. Do you think that sort of undermines people might say, Well, he's trying to distract.

They're always going to say he's distracting. This is just a distraction. And the best day to do, to release this stuff was yesterday. And the second best day to release this right now.

So is he going to do that?

I hope so. I think he doesn't. He's not beholden to that community.

And you've talked to him about it. What's your feeling on whether he's ready?

Well, I don't generally publicly discuss too much what I discussed the president about because that could end up I would not talk. He wouldn't talk to me as freely as he does when we talk. But he and we talked 14 minutes. I was looking at my watch and I was like, holy cow, that's 14 minutes. It's about a lot of things, but I told him, I said, it's like layers of the onion, Mr.

President. I said, you just keep peeling it back. Yeah, you put the one and two people in there, but these life-time career people are in there and for whatever reason, they're not releasing anything and also I feel like the material or whatever it's out there that we have we don't really have it anymore because they farmed it out to these corporations and these corporations are not foyable

Freedom of Information Act for the people back home. It's when I can say, hey, FBI, release this stuff. I want to see this stuff. And under FOIA, allegedly, they're supposed to release it. But say if Ford Motor Company had it, they wouldn't have to release it. And I feel like that's what's happened to a lot of the stuff we've seen is that I think that we have is probably the people that are dissecting it or whatever they're doing with it probably don't realize exactly

what it is or where it came from. They might have an idea, but people with the direct knowledge are mostly gone. So it's kind of like during, at Oak Ridge, during the Second World War, I've met people. I met, this one guy I met one time, I was out knocking on doors, and he was of my parents' age,

and I asked him what branch he was in, because he was putting his American flag out, and he said, well, I wasn't in the war. I said, okay, and he was kind of sheepish about it. And he said, well, I worked at Oak Ridge. And I was like, you know, if my dad were here, he'd hug you because daddy was on Okinawa.

When they dropped the bomb, they thought they were going to invade Japan. They were getting ready for the 1st Marine Division. They were going to kiss on the cheek. But he said that, he just kind of said this thing, it always stuck in my mind, he said, funny thing, he said my wife worked there too and we never, I never knew what she did and she never knew what I did until after the war. I mean because people honored that back then. It's not everything

is a book deal or a click bait or something. And it's compartmentalized. And that makes it harder. It makes it very hard. And then when those people die, direct knowledge goes. I mean, Roswell, everybody talks about Roswell, and there's a couple other incidents that occurred.

But it doesn't help when you go into a meeting, one of these secure meetings with a bureaucrat who's kind of a smart aleck, political appointee, and you have the career people that are usually there, military officers, and you ask about a specific incident, and the direct quote to me was,

we do not have data points on that, Congressman. And it was something that was a pretty documented case that had occurred, and there was a couple of them, actually, we talked about. And they talk, and you know, and they bring in this smart aleck thinking he's uncovered everything. They were just a bunch of idiots. I mean, he showed a bunch of, like one was a birthday balloon,

you know, the metallic ones that are, have some kind of metal in them or whatever. And then, of course, they look like a like what you can see is a flying saucer. And somebody takes a picture of it outside the window of a 747 as they're flying by, you know, and it looks like it's going, but it's really just stationary. And he said, well, this is, and they slow it down and do all this stuff. And you actually see a cartoon character on this balloon.

Obviously this is, and nobody's even talking about that. I mean that stuff's just, even the folks, the so-called UFO community, they just dismiss those kind of things because they see...

So actively trying to disprove some of the...

Yeah, yeah, yeah, and I felt, and his arrogant, smart-aleck nature was not very beneficial. It was a complete waste of time. And I have noticed when I walk into some of these meetings, the attitude changes. I'll just leave it at that.

Okay. I want to just sort of process what you think it would be like if the president decided to release images or videos that have been classified or goes and says, there are these technologies and we believe they very well may be NHI, non-human intelligence.

Every time we ask for something specific, the military or the war pimps at the Pentagon, the intelligentsia as I call them, they hide behind national security. If you remember, I had the bill a few years back. It was two pages long to release it, release everything. And then the Democrat, Schumer, actually, in the Senate, everybody thought, oh, Schumer's on board with us.

And he wanted to release, his bill is 60 pages. And it created some structure similar to the Kennedy files. Kennedy was shot over 60 years ago, and we still, they still won't release everything on that. And, you know, and that's what they wanted to create. And everybody was cheering, oh, Schumer's on our side.

No, he's not. If he was on our side he would have pushed to have done this years ago. The push is coming from people that haven't been here very long and some of our leadership now after they've seen some things they want to know.

But I want to get back to like you mentioned you think people are ready to hear this and make their own judgments and see what you've seen I'm just wondering like I'm thinking back to the most historic moments in my life like 9-11 comes to mind I feel like this would be a moment like that. The president comes out and says

Comes on the news. Yeah, this is what it is. We don't know what it is. Yeah, but but the military Industrial war complex, whatever you want to call it, is gonna hide behind national security every dadgum time. They're gonna claim that and that's that's part of the problem. That's why you need a we've got a president in the White House I think that gets it and that's sick of it and thinks America maybe is you know it is not arrogant enough to believe that he's

the end all.

Robert heard something from some sources about Aero reaching out to other agencies. We don't know exactly what this is about.

Yeah, yeah. And I have a lot of fear because of that. I don't like Aero.

What do you know about, what can you say about their reaching out? It seems like there's some kind of coordination about...

They want to be the ones to coordinate it. And in my opinion, they've been the problem in the past because their guy has already attacked me. They're former.

Yeah.

And just said some things that were, if he actually said it, I didn't hear it. But if he said it, they're just untrue. And that's part of the problem, too, within this so-called UFO community. There's a lot of fighting, and everybody wants to – and I get it. Everybody's – somebody's selling T-shirts and baseball caps, and they got a book tour, and they want to do a movie and all this stuff. And everybody's – and I think there's plenty for everybody.

I'm just not – I'm not worried about all that. I'm not caught up in all that. I just want to get the truth out. I think transparency is something I've been a big part of for a long time.

Okay.

I just continue to wonder about when, if it's not the president coming out, do you see any authoritative figure that could come out with a level of credibility that would make Americans say, you know...

No. Unless somebody walks out of one of those labs with something and releases it before they disappear or commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head 12 times, I don't think it's going to happen. Okay. And last one for you. What do we know, if anything, about these ten scientists? It's actually more than that, actually, if you go back a little farther. We know that they were in our aeronautical defense industry, or complex, just all around the spectrum on that. And it's...

With clearance, many of them, high-level?

High-level clearance. And you figure 10 of them, but we'll just say the 10. If there were 10 chefs across this country who disappeared or died mysteriously, people would start questioning what the heck. If there were 10 used car salesmen, dealerships, 10 preachers, 10 whatever, 10 masseuses. I don't care. I think America would probably take notice, and I think they finally are taking notice because this all fits in.

And I know family members are going to say, well, they got nothing to do with the UFO, but generally they don't talk. They keep it, most of those guys and gals are so locked down, they keep their mouth shut because if they didn't, their nuclear secrets that they have would have already leaked out as well.

And it may be a futile effort, but is Congress looking at that at all?

Some of them are, but, you know, somebody... It's always just us on the fringe that are doing it, and there's a few of us that are involved, and I'd say there's about, I don't know, maybe ten of us that are watching this thing pretty close and haven't peeled off yet. Because some of those people were, oddly enough, were people that I'd encouraged to come to

meetings because I wanted people that were objective and maybe didn't believe. Some of the scientists you mean? No, no, no, some of the members of Congress. Oh, gotcha, gotcha. And now some of them are some of the, I mean, they're the biggest fans of this thing that I've seen actually because they came from nothing and then they see these

things and, you know, they can be skeptical of some of it and some of it is questionable. But you know, we've had so many obstacles on this thing. When Luna and Matt Gates and I went down to Florida, to Eglin, you know, we've had so many obstacles on this thing. When Luna and Matt Gates and I went down to Florida, to Eglin, you know, they turned us away. We were told we were going to see, there were some pilots that wanted to talk to us, and they showed us, they briefed us on some stuff that was pretty incredible that had nothing

to do with this subject. And then, and Matt told them, said, you know, we're going to subpoena you all. And I mentioned to him, I said, here's what's going to happen. You're going to tell us the answer is 1.75 and the real answer is 1.74 and you're going to be held in contempt. I said, you're going to mess something up and you're going to get in some serious trouble here. I said, I would, because Matt's a pretty, pretty tough orator and he's a very tough attorney, and he, and he got on the phone and whoever big Air Force is, because they came back in about an hour and they took us upstairs and gave us a nice fruit tray

at taxpayers' expense. And then they brought the pilots in. And those are the kind of things I wish America could listen to and talk to because they had – it was very interesting and I mean that just sort of, that kind of lit the fuse for a lot of members when that deal went down.

All right, I will leave it here. Is there anything else that you want to share that we didn't talk about now?

I just say I'm as frustrated as America is. I see people say, I wish Burchchett would shut up about this, but you all ask me about it. I don't set up the interviews. I'm glad to talk about it. I just, I'm very frustrated with it, too.

I don't know that we'll ever get to the bottom of it, unless Trump does it or unless one of these scientists walks out of one of these private labs and says, what's going on? So I would hope and people and let me say clarify something to people say, you need to go to Area 51, you know, to Wright-Patterson, you need to go here, there.

You know, as soon as we announce we're going to go there, I don't think we're going to find, I think we'll probably find an empty warehouse. It's going to take the President of the United States to step up and say this has gone on long enough. We've got to get to the bottom of this.

Thank you, sir.

I appreciate your time.

Thank you, guys. Thank you, guys.

Absolutely.