RODRIGO PIMENTEL: TUDO SOBRE A MEGAOPERAÇÃO NO RJ - Flow #514

This is The Flow. the biggest operation... the most people died in an operation in Brazil, right?

I don't know of any police operation in the world of such a magnitude. Not even in that Lampião hunt, right? When the police from the Northeast hunted Lampião, there wasn't a volume of 400, 500 criminals, right? It's really a war action, ok?

It seems like a war action to me. Even from the images of the day, the people filming, things on fire, shots everywhere, let's talk about that too, let's talk about that today, mostly.

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we have a tight schedule, Pimentel, you know how it is, right? he's very requested these days Vitão will choose 3 live picks, the best ones, for us picks to play at the end of the show. The link is in the description. Pimentel, we were talking about the operation if a lot of people died. I was watching and I was waiting, because on Tuesday,

it happened that we had a flow news on the day, and Professor Marco Antonio had been invited news on the day, and we were invited, Professor Marco Antonio had been seeing her for a long time, but we didn't have the information consolidated. Until that day we had a death toll, which on the next day changes a lot, with people removing bodies from the woods and everything. And I was waiting to see if there was going to be any article, especially with these bodies in the woods and everything,

that if there was someone there, in my opinion, I don't know, but it seems to me that if there was someone there, absolutely innocent in those bodies found in the woods, I suppose there would be material for everything that is side by side now saying that, look, this guy here, he has no criminal record, this crazy guy here, he is, but again, I don't know, it seems to me that if that were the case, there would be a much greater commotion in that sense. We even saw, it even went viral the video of a woman talking about her nephew, Iago. Iago, Iago...

They call him another name, he's the one with the red hair.

Yes, yes. Saying that he was innocent, but I also saw a lot of things about him, with a gun, with... Yes, involved.

He wasn't innocent.

He wasn't innocent.

Who ran to the woods, because he was running away from a police action, was a heavy-edged sword. Bop's colleague used the term... Sorry, the police commander used Bop's wall. But nothing more than a war tactic. Before, good morning everyone. A primitive war tactic, which is double-edged sword.

You use two forces to surround, force the opposing force to go to the sword. And basically, the Rio de Janeiro's police, in a very difficult and heroic situation, because the police would come in and couldn't answer the shot. Because if the police would shoot,

they would hit the BOP's police in the woods, and the criminals would run to the BOP's police. The BOP's police would confront 200, 300 or 400 criminals in a very closed area of the Atlantic Forest. You can't put 200 police officers in line, it's very complicated. An area with little visibility.

This operation started when the sun hadn't risen. So, it's about that, Igor. It's good that you're giving me the opportunity. It's about that that people need to understand. First of all, it's not a police action. It's an action that anywhere in the world would be classified as armed conflict, not international.

Characterized by territorial occupation for more than two decades, by the confrontation of the forces of security of the democratic state, by the usurpation of the local state of law, and for the quantity of weapons that establishes a capacity of medium-intensity combat. On no day of the IDF war against Hamas, the Israeli army killed 120 Hamas terrorists.

In other words, the intensity of the war we had here in Rio de Janeiro was greater than the intensity of the conflict with Ramais. Drones launching bombs, observation drones, that young man with a rocket to warn the police that it's here, that doesn't exist anymore. The Red Command drone is at 3,000 feet, 1,200 feet. It can see the police approaching in Brazil,

in the life of Brazil. So the police can no longer arrive unnoticed. It's a truly war operation. And if journalists, if society, if the public industry, if academics... The police already realized that.

Few journalists, either. But if everyone doesn't understand it's a war situation, we'll always be in the wet. There will always be a journalist or a student... who says, it was possible to arrest the criminals. It was possible. The criminals who put the rifles on the floor

were arrested. Can I show the footage? Yes, please. Can I show the footage, please?

Sure.

Igor, this is a house... where the shock battalion wasn't. First, the arrested rifles. You see Amazonas, you see Bahia. It's to show that the German complex became a real bunker for the leaders of the CW

from all over Brazil. So in this house, you had bandits from Ceará, you had bandits from Bahia...

Look at that big revolver there.

It's a 6-inch, 357. But this weapon is a weapon rarely used by the bandit. Bahia's troops, Bahia's Red Command, exported there, fleeing Bahia's military police, exported there, running away from the Bahia's Military Police, which is doing a very nice job.

Let me open a parenthesis here.

I heard... The Manaus' troops, over there.

I read that some of these rifles

are disassembled and assembled by the guys there. Yes, they only send, today, by smuggling. There are factories in Brazil using 3D printers, which make the handguard plate, the crown. So it's different, and it's not to offend,

no, for God's sake, I'll repeat this, because it's a problem. It's not to offend the former Minister of Justice, Flávio Dino. Unlike what he said, these are not KAC rifles. This is not a KAC weapon. This is a weapon that was imported, smuggled, only the bolt,

the trigger assembly and the barrel. The rest is assembled in Brazil. This is a FAL that you used in the Brazilian Army, when you served in the SEP, in the Leime Fort. Light Automatic Rifle, which is 7.62.

I know how to assemble and disassemble it.

This rifle, if the criminal is 3,000 meters away, he can kill a policeman. So if the criminal is in Leime, he can kill a policeman in Copacabana. That's why I say it's a war. So is it possible to surrender a criminal with a gun like that?

It's hard as hell. Now, this is an image I put up. Yesterday, the military police of Ceará, courageously, killed seven Red Command bandits. But since it's the military police of Ceará, the PT's human governor,

it's obvious that Lewandowski won't complain, won't say that this is a murder. It's obvious that the Global News journalists won't call this a murder, because this happened in the state of an ally of Lula. It's that simple. It's to prove to the imbecile watching us

that the debate is no longer technical. It's purely political. So if someone, if Benedita da Silva says today that this is a shame, because look at the armament, some old guns, some rifles, thin cinnamon, an AR-15 rifle, yes,15, a powerful and dangerous rifle.

But the rest, the military police of Rio de Janeiro didn't even find it in Germany. It's not in Germany. It's not found in favelas of Rio. It's still found in Ceará, Bahia, in some states. There, the military police of Bahia, and congratulations to the military police of Bahia, sorry, of Ceará, congratulations,

because the military police of Ceará is trying to reverse what happened in Será.

There's an invasion there.

Yes, seven people were killed. But for the human rights activist, pseudo-specialist in public security, this is not horrible, it doesn't shock him. What shocks him is the Cláudio Castro's military police killing someone, the limited police of Tarcísio killing someone. The military police of Jerônimo Matar is released.

It's released by Lula, by Lewandowski. They don't complain, they don't say anything. On the contrary, Lewandowski says that Ceará is an example of good public security, even though it has the worst numbers in Brazil. He says it's an example.

So, this is the evidence that the debate has stopped being technical and is totally political. And if we don't abandon this shit, we're fucked. We have to bring this to the technical side. Can you show the images, Bruno, of the policemen of the shock battalion of Rio de Janeiro surrounding the bandits? Can you do it, brother? So, play it. Come's go. It's an image... Easy, bro. Tia is filming.

We're going down.

What, guys?

One after the other.

No one with nothing. No one with nothing. No one with nothing. Tajerol without a shirt. Did you get the view? Tajerol without a shirt.

We're going down here slowly. I've had this experience in my life. It's something too difficult, Igor. You open the door of a house. You have inside this house, in this case, more than 30 criminals, all armed with rifles. The first team of the shock battalion had a fight. You see there the rifle.

The police officer was injured in this fight. Two criminals were killed, and then the house was surrounded, and the criminals on the second floor accepted the surrender. But it's hard because you open the door, you can only see a piece of the room,

you see the rifle rifle on the wall, and you, a policeman, have to believe the criminal that he really won't get the rifle. And behind you, there's another policeman doing a side angle sweep. Wow, but there were people there, man.

Almost everyone there was from Manaus, Amazonas, Ceará, Bahia. They were criminals from other states. And you have to trust. from Manaus, Amazonas, Ceará, Bahia, were criminals from other states. And you have to trust them. Now, look at the difficulty. If a criminal like that comes down with a gun,

the police officer at the door will shoot him. Right. Because he's a threat, current or imminent. Legitimate defense. And if this police officer shoots this criminal, the other criminal will take a gun and shoot too. That's it.

A massacre. It's not a police action. If you brought here again the SWAT, the police of Denmark, they wouldn't be able to handle these guys. It's difficult. If we don't understand this logic,

if the researchers of violence, of the Peace Sun, which I respect, of the GNIUF, which I respect, and I research the data, which is very well produced, if these people, who are some of my friends, who I consider, I appreciate, Jacqueline Muniz, who gave an interview these days,

researcher, if people don't understand this dynamic, there is no debate. It's a matter of war. The journalist who gave an interview the other day, if people don't understand this dynamic, there's no debate. It's a matter of war. The police won't go there to kill the criminal, they'll go there to arrest him, so much so that they did.

Yesterday, a journalist, I wasn't sad, but I corrected him in person, respectfully, because he's a very polite and intelligent guy, he asked why the police make the option of killing when you can surrender the criminal. Who told you that killing is an option?

Killing is a circumstance, and this video is the proof. The BOP police, the shock battalion, gathered these criminals, and they're in jail, like 80 colleagues who were in jail. They had 88 criminals in jail, and they're in jail, like 80 of their colleagues. They had 88 criminals in jail, if I'm not mistaken. Whoever put the rifle on the ground,

there's the image, was in jail. In the forest area, 200 BOP officers, 400 criminals invading, no visibility, no light, no space, confined space, a lot of shooting.

It's impossible in the real world today, for example, Igor, the Rio de Janeiro police or the FBI, to define which police officer shot whom. There are hundreds of police officers shooting forward and hundreds of criminals shooting back. But why didn't the BOP officers die?

They did die. We lost two colleagues and had seven wounded. The footage will be released today. I'm sorry, but I wanted to show you the footage. The BOP police were lying down, taking shots, shot colleagues, bleeding, you know? So, unlike what the cowardly, stupid, liar journalist says on TV,

there was a fight, and it wasn't an option to kill. It was a lamentable circumstance. An operation with a hundred and so many criminals arrested, with a hundred and so many guns, rifles, grenades, there were 40 grenades, several pistols and revolvers, an operation like this, you didn't have any shot women,

except for the gang-banged women, ok? You didn't have any shot elderly women, you didn't have any shot children. So the police, within their possibilities, they were surgical. You want to know if I say it's a victory?

I think it's not a victory, because if we lose 4 police officers, it's always a defeat, because I don't trade a Doca for a policeman. I don't trade a thousand rifles for the life of Maskra, who was my friend, whom I had already told you about. I sat here one day and told you his story.

He was the guy who arrested the killer of the restaurant Rei do Bacalhau. I told you his story here, man, two years ago. A very badass guy, my brother. He went there to arrest a bandit. In the story I told you, the police came from below, along with some factions of the shock battalion.

And Bop was in the woods. So the police couldn't shoot. If they did, they'd kill Bop's colleagues.

So look at the degree of difficulty of this operation. Can we say that this is one of the most common criticisms about police operations, and in this case, quite a lot too, is the thing of, hey, why does the police climb the hill without intelligence? Why, when plan this operation, they don't take care of... In this case, they took care of it, they were even trying to push them to the woods.

But the point is, the governor hesitated, he should have asked for help from the federal government. Why aren't the actions actually suffocating? So that the weapons don't arrive, and drugs don't get there, etc.

You said, you can't say this operation was a success because four police officers died.

If there was... Is there any other way to deal with this? Because you were telling me before we started

that the C.V. was invading, they had invaded the day before... The Quintana Hill. The Quintana Hill. And they killed a 60-year-old lady. And they killed a 30-year-old young man who had nothing to do with the traffic. And this invasion started from the German complex.

Order, even, from the DOCA, or authorization from the DOCA. Certainly the Quintana would be invaded again this week. So, should I let them invade or not? Oh, they set up a team and intercept these bandits on the highway. It's impossible to intercept 70 bandits on the highway. It's impossible. So, there's another question about legitimacy,

because a lot of people talk about legitimacy. There are several police investigations in Rio de Janeiro that investigated the DOCA and the Red Command. And these investigations were finalized, the Public Prosecutor's Office filed a complaint, and the Judiciary, the judges of Rio de Janeiro, many of them very valuable, whom I admire a lot,

these judges asked for the preventive detention of the DOCA, because he's a murderer. Because there's evidence that he tortured women and forced them to have sex. There's evidence in the police inquiry. So DOCA has to be arrested. Let DOCA go there. No way.

This is not a democratic state of law. In addition to arresting DOCA, you have to withdraw your weapons. There is no option of letting it go there. There is the option of facing the problem. Now, I agree, for example, today I talked to René Silva coming here. I agree with René that this operation has already been done for 15 years.

If you don't occupy the territory permanently, and it's not just police, it's not just left talk, Igor. It's all that set of actions that we know will get the young man out of the crime. Social actions, sports, agriculture... But I'm really sorry because we didn't take advantage of the success.

We arrested 80 criminals, we killed 140, 130, we seized 150 rifles. We can't leave here anymore, we have to stay. Because if we leave, it's a disrespect to the lives of the four policemen who died.

It's a disrespect to that resident. Because in six months, there will have to be another operation like this. And then I start to agree with sectors... It's always like that. Then I start. But... The Red Command has to be defeated. The gun has to be withdrawn. The DOCA has to be defeated,

the gun has to be withdrawn, the DOCA has to be arrested, I have no doubt about that. I think you have no doubt, right? No, no doubt. Because there are people who have doubts, you know?

There are people who tell me, there's a fight for the traffic in Faria Lima, what a weird talk, Faria Lima is one thing, money laundering. It's a sophisticated crime that doesn't involve territorial disputes. And there, it's the recovery of the territory.

A journalist told me these days, which I admire too, but look at the difference with the federal government. The federal government does operations in Faria Lima, doesn't shoot. Okay, and the territory? Leave it there?

Yeah. And another thing, a journalist who praises the Faria Lima operation, which I also praise, okay? The PCC continues to exist, you see? The PCC continues to extort people.

So that magnificent, spectacular, beautiful, wonderful, necessary operation of the Federal Police in the state of Rio de Janeiro didn't result in the end of the PCC. The PCC is still strong, as always. So comparing the operation in the state of Rio de Janeiro to that

is an extreme stupidity of some Brazilian journalists. This is a territory recovery.

Now, on the other hand, again... Can you say that the C.V. Another thing that is heard, read and everything else, because this is unofficial information, that the C.V. or the criminal factions in Rio, when there is an police operation like this, they would use the residents as a shield,

putting them out of the house or something like that, using the population to protect themselves or, you know, putting the guys on the line of fire for some reason. Does this happen?

I've seen this several times. This time it wasn't possible because of the operation that happened very early. If this operation happens around 7am, yes, the C.V. activates some family groups, possibly family members involved. If the C.V. has 400, 500 criminals,

it can have a family group of around 2,000. It's a community where the majority, There are 400, 500 criminals there. He manages to have a family group of around 2,000. It's a community where the majority of the people are very decent, hard-working people. It's a community of 14 favelas, estimated to have 130,000 to 200,000 inhabitants

in that region that includes Penha and the German complex. 14 favelas. It's a citadel. Actually, it's a city. So, I've seen it. It happened in Jacarezinho, recently,

in a civil police operation. The resident goes to the street, goes to the street, goes to the street. I think it's an act of terrorism, too.

Me too.

Lewandowski thinks it's not, but I think it is. But this time it didn't happen. I understand that because of the operation, it happened too early. Bop's teams arrived in the woods at night. So the CVA couldn't do it this time.

And the story that people are talking about on social media, that the police were pulling the head of the criminals with a knife because there was no bullet mark on the body.

About ten years ago, there was a BOP operation in the Maré favela, where two BOP officers were injured and 12 criminals died. It was close to the Olympics. And a major news station's journalism

categorically stated that the criminals were stabbed. And in the Institute of Legal Medicine, medical doctors, who are not military police, who have no connection with the BOP, who are accompanied by promoters, said that none of the criminals were stabbed.

So I know this story of a resident saying that the criminal was stabbed. It's been years. Cutting off a head isn't something you do with a knife this big. It's not reasonable to think that in the middle of an operation, several BOP officers shot, several colleagues of the police dead, someone was worried about cutting ripping someone's head off. But I tell you, a 7.62 shot in the neck, in this region here,

really takes a head off. The head comes out. A 7.62 shot here...

Takes an arm off.

Takes the arm off and it doesn't get stuck, not by muscle, not by nerve. It really falls, you know? The arm will fall, it'll break. So I understand that someone might have seen a true image of a head, or an open, unclenched head, and the comrade will say,

the cop ripped his head off. At this moment, there are several medical lawyers at the IML doing the body search. I think it's unlikely that this is true. But if it happens, it will be regrettable. All the BOP officers had cameras.

There were 200 or so BOP officers on the ground, all with cameras, and the police will release the images today. The images are terrible. BOP officers injured, lying on the ground. Did you have access? I saw an image.

It really looks like the movie of the Vietnam's Platoon. Very similar. A lot of bullets flying. It's an image for those assholes to never say again

that it was an ambush to kill criminals. That was a fight. Rio de Janeiro is no longer a city of police and criminals. It's a civil war.

The police went there to fulfill prison terms and search and arrest.

They wouldn't even have a choice not to go. The option not to go doesn't exist. The option of the military police and the civil police is to tell the judge Look, we're going to organize in seven months, six months, we're going to plan, but when you have a preventive prison decreed in the state of law, anywhere in the world, it is the obligation of the state to invite efforts to capture this criminal. Everyone knows that. Be it the criminal that the Xandão sent to arrest, or the criminal that invaded a public building to break it,

the state has to make efforts to prevent it. The option of not going there doesn't exist in democracy. We have to make that clear. Because I keep hearing over the week... I should have gone to those comments about intellectual pseudos.

They go... If you kill 100, the next day another 100 will come up. Yes, another 100 will come up. But you have to go there and arrest Doka. Doka tortured a woman. Doka had a rival favela invaded, a 60-year-old woman died.

Doka can't stay there forever. And that barricade over there, can't stay there forever. The resident can't defend a barricade forever. That's shameful, comrades.

Let's go. And then, in fact, the images I saw, man, of the day, there was fire everywhere, a lot of smoke, smoke rising, shots to the face. And a day of chaos in Rio.

I also saw a video of people on the street, and the guy coming, the bandits, to steal the car, or something like that. And even the population looting supermarkets and everything else

The population is actually linked to the traffic, right? The population of the German complex, as I said, the totality are very good people I operated there, I served there, they are very suffered people, you know, man? They are the true victims of this war. And they are people who really know what happens there. Who knows what happens in Germany

is not the activist from South Zone, the young university. Who knows the reality of Germany is not the journalist from the station. Who knows the reality of Germany is the community resident. I have 1 million2 million followers,

who send me a message like this.

Wow!

A resident of the community. Wow! So much so, that he knows much more about Germany than the journalist on the bench. But much more. Wow, we can't talk about this, Captain. But we are very happy here.

I'll show you later, so this resident isn't murdered. If I put him here, he'll be murdered in five minutes. The traffic dictator does that, he kills in five minutes. But this guy knows much more about Germany, about Adeus, about Penha, than that boy who's in the Faculty of Sociology,

Anthropology, History. What is the responsibility of the governor in an operation like this? He's not part of the planning, he's just...

The governor is the chief of police, military and civilian. Being something so sensitive, it's obvious that the governor was informed by the Secretary of Public Security, by Vitor Santos. It's obvious that the governor knew about many of the consequences, the possibilities of success and failure. It's obvious that the governor, unfortunately,

left this politically victorious. I say unfortunately because this operation is not used to raise someone politically. It's a necessary operation for society to understand that the Red Command has to be confronted. But I'll make a parenthesis here. When Alckmin took over the government of São Paulo,

replacing Mario Covas, there was a big operation here in São Paulo by the military police to arrest PCC bandits in Castelinho. 13 PCC gang members were killed in a bus going to the countryside to rob a Ford. And the military police,

the intelligence of the PM, the civil police, if I'm not mistaken, managed to find the bus, surround it, and the gang members were killed. And that made the popularity of Al's popularity in São Paulo rise. People who didn't know him started to understand that Alckmin was a badass,

because the São Paulo police didn't give a damn about the PCC. So operations like this in Brazil, in a country that is full of violence, in fact, light up conservative waves. So, no one talks about Tarifasso anymore,

no one talks about Eduardo Bolsonaro in Washington, everyone is talking about Claudio. And I'll tell you this, social media are in favor of Claudio. The police cars this morning were applauded in Rio's streets.

People were passing by. Tino Jr. from Record, a popular news station that reaches the popular segment of Rio, did a poll with 95% of people supporting the operation. Only Lewandowski doesn't realize that. Only Lula doesn't realize that.

But sectors on the left are realizing it. Mayor of Maricá, Pacuá, praised the operation. He understands the need of the operation. Because he suffers, Maricá. The Red Command invaded his city to expel residents from My House is My Life. So he knows how harmful this is to the poor.

He is not Lewandowski. He is a guy who came from the favela. how harmful it is to the poor.

He's not Lewandowski. He's a guy who came from the slums. He's proletarian. He's left-wing. He's the PT that hates criminals. The PT that rides the train, the bus. That exists. But the sophisticated PT, Lewandowski, with a short leg, a beautiful watch,

a fine...

Far from these problems.

This PT doesn't recognize that. Why doesn't it recognize that? Because they're evil? No. Because they don't really know reality. They really live on another planet.

Totally. They're theories, right? And I'd say there are more than just PT people. There are theorists who don't understand reality. There are a lot on the internet. One thing we were talking about before the show started is that the guy who's not there can't really understand.

And I know that because I was there the other day, and as you know, close to...

That's your origin, brother. You lived close to Capybara Land, right? I told you, the rats there are the size of capybaras. I used to walk around in the little alligator, and there were some pigs that looked like a combi. You know that.

And then, the guy who's there, and I've said this before, but it's important to say it today, when you're there living that reality, it's that reality that exists because you don't know the other. So, from the moment I left there, I understood that it wasn't normal. But the guy who isn't there, the guy who didn't live that shit, he can't understand that it's real. When you go on the media and an operation starts and a hundred people die,

then it goes to the whole country. But people die there every day, on the back street of the guy. In the best place I've ever lived in Rio, there was a body in Honório. So, it's not...

Honório was the best place you've ever in Honório. So, it's not...

Honório was the best place you've lived in Rio?

Man, it was there.

For God's sake, don't even say the worst, please.

You know the worst.

Let's go.

And then, who's far away... It's like me trying to say... trying to dig up facts about what's happening there in Palestine, Israel and Palestine. Because it's so far away and I don't live that reality, that the most I can say is, what I think here, making it clear that it's far away and I'm not so sure.

So the guy from here, the guy from São Paulo, looking at what's happening in Rio, or him, to talk to the owner, this is important, because... Ah, so it means that only those who lived there can talk. More or less, because the guy who's there living day to day

is the one who understands, because you think you understand. You think you understand by reading, you think you understand by watching videos, but you only understand when you have to work and you pass by the priest's hole. That's the only way you understand.

Otherwise, you're screwed.

And the passions are taken, the debate really stopped being... technical, political, ideological, passions, right? I saw a statement, and I make it very clear to you, man, that I truly admire the former governor Benedita da Silva. She was the only governor in Rio who wasn't arrested, so we have to have a lot of respect for her.

I had the opportunity to be with her a few times, she's a really smart and nice person, and she was very blunt when she said that this operation didn't no intelligence or planning, and that at her time the police didn't kill, they didn't even shoot. There's a statement from her in the House of Representatives talking about this.

Bruno, please, there's a newspaper clipping from Folha de São Paulo, when Benedita was governor. I gave the wrong data on the internet. I said 1,195 deaths. In fact, it was 900. This is Folha de São Paulo from 2002, the newspaper. The period Benedita was governor of Rio was 9 months. She disappeared on April 1st. And Folha de São Paulo highlights Fernanda da Escócia, who was the most killed police officer in Rio de Janeiro.

Benedita's police officer was more than Garotinho's. Garotinho was released in 2001. I gave the wrong number, I said 700, yesterday it was 500. Benedita's was wrong, I consulted with the IA, the IA is a real mess, I didn't know. The IA mixed data from SUS, DataSUS, with data from ISP.

They're different data, and I used the wrong methodology. So, forgive me for following you, but still, the period of Benedita was when the police killed more. In Benedita's management, the police killed more than in Claudio Castro's. In Benedita's management, the police killed more than in Ant Castro's administration. In Benedita's administration, the police killed more than Antônio Garotinho's administration. And Benedita went on TV yesterday saying...

And there it's written, Civil Death. Yeah, yeah.

But like this...

Yeah, because we call it death by police intervention, right? It's a cute term. So that was Benedita's administration. It was the month, if I'm not mistaken, of August. She closes the year with 900 deaths. In the previous year, there were, if I'm not mistaken, 500 deaths

due to police intervention. But Benedita got into a big problem. In 2002, the Red Command was doing great. It attacked the Guanabara Palace, shot at the palace, attacked the city hall of Rio de Janeiro

during the reign of Cesar Maia. The Red Command burned the bus. A lady was burned inside the bus. The Red Command prevented her from leaving. No, you're going to die burned. Stay there. It's in the paper, okay?

The Red Command attacked four municipal schools. All of this happened in 2002, October 2002. The Red Command placed a bomb at the door of the Rio Sul shopping center in Botafogo. The bomb exploded. Good thing no one died. At that time, many people who say today that this is not terrorism, said that it was terrorism.

So people changed their mind about what terrorism is and what it's not, only depending on who's in the government. So, take the 2002 newspapers and read the articles about the Red Command attacking municipal schools, the Red Command attacking the Guanabara Palace, the Red Command attacking the Rio City Hall,

the Red Command putting bombs, killing a burned lady inside a bus. So, the debate is political, not technical, not true. This is terrorism, Igor. I also think it's terrorism. Lewandowski is totally...

If you want to put the state on its knees, because the goal of these actions, attacking the Guanabara Palace, attacking a municipal school, is not to receiving money. The goal of this action is to make the governor elected by direct vote

change his mind. This is a terrorist action. This is putting the democratic state of law on its knees. So I don't know what Lewandowski's arguments are to refute what I'm saying. But this is not banditry.

You'll bring here in the future that judge I told you about, Eduardo Lemus, who launched the book Terrorism in Brazil, a judge of the Holy Spirit. He puts all these situations I'm putting for you and puts them applied in European legislation. The name of the book is Terrorism in Brazil. There, in Europe, that's terrorism.

So Lewandowski's insistence on saying they're not terrorists will ruin the presidential campaign of the PT. Because this operation has rekindled the conservative spirit of Brazil. Brazilians can't stand this talk anymore that the crime of Brazil is the fault of the weed addict. Lula said that shit.

Yeah, he said that.

Last week, Lula became the... Vittão is getting mad. Lula became the birth captain. The birth captain, in 2007, used to pick up that boy by the hair. You know who's the blame for this? You!

You're the one who finances this shit! Capitão Nascimento, in 2007, didn't know everything. He kept evolving, understanding the dynamics of crime. He realized that organized crime doesn't survive on marijuana and cocaine, but on gas, cigarettes in Paraguay, money laundering in Faria Lima,

and stolen TV and internet signals. but of gas smugglers, of Paraguayan cigarettes, of money laundering in Faria Lima,

and of stolen internet signal. So, Capitão Nascimento understands the dynamics. Lula doesn't. Lula still thinks that this young man is the culprit for the violence in Rio de Janeiro. And it's not. It's not, brother. It's not. You'll sit down with a guy next week

and he'll tell you that marijuana and cocaine are only 11% of the economy. So, a president of the republic who says that, first, it's irrational. I'm not going to call him a fool, because he's not a fool. It's irrational.

Second, it's dangerous. Because the policy of public safety policy is dictated by him. And by Lewandowski. If Lewandowski comes here, ask him. Lewandowski, do you agree with Lula that it's the pothead's fault? Ask him, please.

He will push you. Because yesterday he pushed the Federal Police Director. The Federal Police Director said, the Delegate Andrei said he knew about the operation. He was desperate and pushed the delegate so he wouldn't say. Because the federal government knew about the operation. And now he's saying he didn't know.

The military police went to Brasília, in January, and asked for the armored vehicles. Those armored vehicles that were used in the Cabral government, in the Dilma government,

and were lent to the militaryral government, the Dilma government, right?

And were lent to the military police.

Not war tanks.

Yeah, look, I'll explain. The war tank doesn't go up there. Yeah, I'll explain. Bruno, can you put it on your internet real quick? M113. M113 armored.

Yeah.

The...

The skull, when it gets to the barricadevern when it arrives at the barricade, it can't pass through the barricade. This is the M113, ok? It's an armored vehicle for personal transportation. Who owns it in Rio de Janeiro is the Brazilian Navy. The Brazilian Army owns it, but they are, at this moment, in Rio Grande do Sul.

In Rio de Janeiro, who Navy has it. This vehicle, it easily passes over the barricade. And, by the way, you can shoot this vehicle and the police won't get hurt. Sometimes, the projectile goes over the skull. When you shoot the windshield a lot, the windshield can't handle it.

A rifle shot or a .50?

A .50 will pass. This one holds be .50? .50 is fine. This one holds .50. So, if Lula lent this to Rio de Janeiro, we wouldn't have two dead civil police officers today. So, with a tool like this, you'd make it easier for the police to survive

and also reduce the death of the criminals. Pimentel, are you crazy? Yes. When the criminal sees this, he realizes there's no way. I'm going to put my gun on the floor. So, the evil of the Ministry of Defense in not lending it, the Ministry of Defense claimed

in January that there had to be a AGU approval.

Strangely, this approval was not necessary The Brazilian defense said in January that there had to be a AGU approval.

Strangely, this approval wasn't necessary when Cabral asked, but when Claudio asks, it's all to screw up. That's the truth, man. Why lie?

It's all to screw up.

Why lie? I'm going to lie here. That's the truth, damn it. So, there it is. It's a little hiccup. The federal government doesn't know what to do. The right-wing is strengthening itself in Brazil. Because the poor is conservative.

And the poor hates criminals. And this operation is resurrecting in Brazil the conservatism, the hope that you can face crime under beating.

That's very interesting. That's true, I mean. Well, where I was, the poor guy is more conservative. He really hates the criminal, man. It's not that he respects him, he needs to live with him, after all, because there's not much choice.

The guy is there, he's the one who has... inside that territory, he has the monopoly of the force. He's the police of that fucking place. You can't... There's a parallel law in there.

Who had more votes in Germany, Igor? Freixo or Claudio Castro?

I'm going to say it's Claudio Castro.

Exactly. In Jacarazin too?

The guy who...

Claudio Castro, no. And in the Jacarazin too. The guy who...

Claudio Castro, no. It was Witzel, right?

No, Claudio Castro was elected in the first round in the last election. Witzel was in the last election. Claudio was Witzel's vice. In this election, now that Lula was elected, Claudio was elected in the first round, man.

It's true.

First round. And with a vote of 49% in the capital. So Claudio was the most voted in the favelas of Rio de Janeiro. The left doesn't realize that, man. It wasn't the Freixo, my brother. With all the affection for Freixo, you know I like him.

So, the poor can't stand the red command anymore, the poor can't stand the Red Command anymore. The poor can't stand barricades. My theory, I've already told you, is that the Bukele phenomenon in Brazil will arise in the Northeast. It will be Geronimo who can't stand Bahia burning down anymore. Or it will be the human being who will order his police to act with energy,

like they did today. The Serra police killed seven Red Command bandits today. But since it's the PT's, since it's the command, no one will talk about it. Benedita won't talk about it, and Lewandowski won't say that the Será police made a mistake. So the issue is politicized, and we, I'm from the right, you know, but we, from the leftwing and right-wing,

have to get out of this politicization and find a solution.

Yes, we have to find a solution.

Today, Malu Gaspar made a post, Malu Gaspar, a journalist, showing a question that people are forgetting. The bandits in Bangu 3, during the operation, ordering the closure of the streets. In other words, we are operating in the favela, trying to arrest the DOC,

and the criminal is in jail, ordering the terror to be unleashed in Rio de Janeiro. And Malu Gaspar remembered that one of the criminals, Maitor, was already transferred to the Federal President and came back. Fuck, my God.

It's so obvious what Malu Gaspar said, journalist. Maitor can't be on the third bench, fuck. But there's always a judge who tells him to come back. So, we can't solve the problem of Rio leaving Maitor in Rio de Janeiro. Maitor and so many others, ok? So, man, if we don't sit down and understand this, you know?

That issue that Derritte talked about, the exit, the issue of the audience of custody, the issue of a Minister of Justice continuing to insist on the thesis of disencarcement. It's not possible, man. It's not possible.

But, Pimentel, now we're on Friday of the week that this operation happened. If you were the dictator of Rio de Janeiro, or maybe we need to go deeper into this, if you were the dictator of Brazil, what would you tell people to do now that there's been a lot of operations, hundreds of criminals, what do we have to do now? What was wrong that needs to be fixed? For example, we have to send Maitó to the fucking house.

Send Maitó to Mossoró, for sure, to the Federal President. Maitó and so many others in Rio de Janeiro. Claudio Castro had already asked for 10 vacancies in Federal Presidents. More emergency today, we have in Rio de Janeiro an army brigade, an elite brigade, an infantry brigade for racketeers, about 3,500 men,

to occupy the German complex, for today. And can this, from the point of view... This, like, I said, if you were a dictator, right? I'm a dictator, man. Yeah, dictator, you can. But the way it is today, is there a law that prevents this?

Today, the Brazilian army is mobilized in the COP in Belém, with 5,000 men, which is a GLO. The governor of Pará is accepting, there in Pará, according to the COP, 5,000 men of the armed forces performing police, patrolling, GLO, guaranteed by law. But... I already told you a real, cool, positive story. In 2010, when the Brazilian army occupied the German complex,

with the 9th Infantry Brigade, the commander of the Sampaio battalion, regiment Sampaio, Colonel Montenegro, he stayed there for 19 months. He stayed there for 19 months with zero homicides. So it worked.

There was no DOCA, no Marcinho in VP, no murders on the streets, no women being squatted by the Red Command, no barricades, but also no balifanque, because the Brazilian army prohibited it. So, if we consider that preserving human lives

is the most important thing to be pursued, the occupation of the Brazilian army in Germany was a total success. But the Brazilian army couldn't search houses, because it's the state of democratic rights, you can only enter a house with a judicial authorization. If the Brazilian army doesn't search houses, we don't locate the rifles. It's a democratic state of law. You can only enter a house with a judicial authorization.

If the Brazilian army doesn't search the houses, we don't locate the rifles. If we don't locate the rifles, the Red Command will come back, will reorganize itself, and will attack the police,

just like what happened. I was at Globo at that time, I was a public security commentator. And I saw the dilemma of the Black Mountain Colonel. He knew the houses where the rifles were, because he already used drones to follow the criminals walking,

but he had no legal authorization to go there and get the rifle. And every time he tried, with the judge, the judge said, man, but I can't give the order to seek collective punishment. Okay, then it's all right.

So it will stay there.

When I leave, it will come back.

It will, it's all right. Is that what the left wants? Is that what journalism wants? Is that what the judge wants? Is that what society wants? Then it's all. All right.

All right, my brother. I think the Brazilian army should be available for authorization in exceptional situations to revisit houses. If not, it doesn't work. If not, the resident will be a chief of the Red Command. Today, an article by René Silva,

Voice of the Community, he said, this operation has been going on for 15 years. 15 years ago, we already had this operation. And nothing has changed. Because one of the main reasons is that the state didn't occupy the favela.

Yes. So, you go in there, in this case, on Tuesday, the state, the police, the police go in there, what's the word you use? Neutralize several bandits and...

Weakens the faction, right?

Weakens the faction. Arrest bandits, arrest weapons and kill some due to the necessary circumstances. And then, get the gun, and everything. But in a few days, if we go up there now,

there's no more...

No, no.

Two hours after the operation, there was a rifle. There's a picture of it. Two hours after BoP withdrew, there were already rifle bandits. There were already bandits forcing the resident to carry the body.

There were already bandits forcing the resident to cut his uniform.

There was that, right?

So, the dictatorship of the Red Command returned to the environment a few hours later. I can't give names of colleagues here, but many police colleagues were angry, because they wanted to stay. Damn, Pimentel, even out of respect for the colleagues who died. We have to stay here, damn it.

We have to stay, because there's more guns to be learned, there's certainly more leadership to be taken, right? And to retreat at this moment is to tell the resident, look, in six months we'll be back. And then, my friend, no one can really stand that.

So if I were the dictator you mentioned today, I would have the German complex occupied. I would have Lewandowski removed as well, for sure, because I think he doesn't know the realities of Rio de Janeiro, not Rio de Janeiro, he doesn't know the realities of Brazil. For example, he doesn't talk about the issue of barricades in his collectives.

He doesn't talk about a humanitarian tragedy in Brazil today, where people are being thrown out of their homes in Fortaleza, Maranguap, in Aonapolis, in Salvador. He doesn't talk about it. This is Brazil's biggest public security problem. And he doesn't talk about it. Either because he doesn't know about it, or because he's ashamed of weakening the governors of his party.

But he doesn't say it. So, I can say these two possibilities. As he doesn't say that the military police of Bahia, of Jerónimo, is the one that kills the most in Brazil. Just like Benedita da Silva doesn't say it either. Benedita da Silva and some left-wing deputies

asked for Claudio Castro's arrest due to police lethality. But they forget to look at the numbers to realize that the police that kills the most is Gerônimo's. But no one will arrest him. And I don't want them to arrest Gerônimo either.

Because I honestly think, I don't know Gerônimo personally, but I know many coronels and delegates in Bahia. I honestly think that Bahia is on the right path. The police are arresting a lot. What's happening there?

They're killing... The gangsters from the Southeast are looking at Bahia as an opportunity to take over the territory and drug trafficking.

What's happening there?

I don't know if I told you, Igor.

It's...

The management is Jacques Wagner and Rui Costa's management. Each one was elected twice. These two governors, who I don't know, neither Rui Costa personally, nor Jacques Wagner, they achieved something very cool in the social issue.

Bahia reduced the number of unemployed to 680,000 people. It was 680,000 signed-up jobs were created. Bahia's GDP improved. It was a low GDP, 0.661, and now it's 0.775, which is a high GDP.

GDPs are indicators of health, of longevity, education, and income. So, Bahia has improved in social matters. This is undeniable. 1.1 million Bahians have left the poverty line. At the same time, we doubled the number of homicides.

Bahia has become twice as violent. So that colleague on the left who says that the problem of violence is social inequality, Bahia's numbers don't prove that. We improved the social indicators in 12 years, and Bahia became twice as violent.

Perfect? It's sad to say this because it generates a mental confusion in the left-legged. The left-legged says, but it's not... So it's because of the faction. Yes, the faction went there.

Territorial disputes are the state of the federation like, but it's not, so it's because of the faction. Yes, the faction went there. Territorial disputes, it's the state of the federation that has the most factions. The Bahia police, man, is very good. They put up barricades, they go there and take the barricade two days later.

They are persisting, they don't want to lose the war, they don't want Salvador general commander of Bahia personally, but everyone speaks well. The Bahia's public security secretary, Marcelo Werner, everyone speaks well about him. I have to bring him here too. But man, let's go.

The numbers are like this. It's the most violent state in the federation, in absolute and relative numbers. It's the police that kills the most in Brazil, in relative numbers, but it was also in absolute last year. But Jerônimo achieved something that Rui Costa didn't, and that Jacques Wagener didn't.

Jerônimo managed to reduce violence in the last 24 months, he achieved a reduction of homicides. But it's logical that this reduction is caused by the energy of the military police and the civil police. The police there are killing like crazy. I take some cases from Bahia that are symbolic.

At the carnival, the Bahia military police killed 12 criminals. In operation, one night. And an officer from the Bahia police called me and said, Pimentel, these criminals who were killed by the police in confrontation, 6 or 7 of them had been released from a Christmas party months before. Soon, Gerônimo will realize,

Comrade, with these laws, nothing is done. Soon, the human of Ceará will realize, with these laws, nothing is done. And he will go to Le Vandós Law, and they will say, this whole thing you're talking about, that you're sending about disencarceration, about public security, forgive me.

It won't happen.

Let my police know what they're doing. What I need here, effectively, are laws that guarantee that these criminals remain in jail. And you saw the PT's effort not to let The Hit's project to end Saidinha go ahead. The PT made an effort, the PT mobilized itself so that The Hit's project to end Saidinha wouldn't go ahead. Remember that? so that The Hit's project to end Saidinha wouldn't be the next one. Do you remember that?

So how are we going to believe in a public security policy

of a guy who thinks that The Hit's idea is not the urgent and necessary idea for Brazil? Yeah, true. It's a moment of confusion for those who are not in Rio de Janeiro Because it's very clear, I believe it's very clear for the guy who is in Rio de Janeiro That this operation has a... It ends up having... I'm not saying it's cool that a lot of people died It would be amazing if all the guys who were killed there had their rifles down and gone to jail.

We also know that they will probably be on the streets again soon. So when we talk about how this law doesn't work, we're talking about, in your opinion, Pimentel, a new constitution, we're talking about amendments, what are we talking about? About the hardening of what already exists?

It's good that you told this story because... Let's remember those who came down the stairs with rifles. Those 30-something people who were in that house. They didn't react. Those who were on the second floor didn't try to kill the police. Those who were on the second floor didn't react. They didn't try to kill the police.

The ones on the first floor were killed, and even shot a cop. The ones on the second floor, if there's someone in the first floor, even if they're armed, on a simple arithmetic, they'll be back on the streets in 11 months.

So, in 11 months, they'll be back in the German complex. Is it clear to you? It's understood. Maybe it wasn't clear to the colleagues on the left, but it's clear to you. That is, if that bandit doesn't get arrested for a long time,

and how long is that? I don't know, 6, 7, 8, 9 years. What I'm sure of is that the leaders of the faction today, the Maitor, the Marcinho VP, the Abelha, the Peixões, the Docas, what I'm sure of is that these guys can't leave.

Why? Because they're still the leader of the faction. He has to give orders, he has to determine the invasion, he has to determine who will ascend or who will descend. So, the leadership will be in the continued crime, you know? If the guy made the choice to be leader, I'm sorry, man, you'll be stuck forever.

You see Celsinho from Vila Vinteém. He was in jail for 20 years. He got out of jail and was arrested again three months later because the police gathered evidence that he was in the crime again. That means Celsinho da Vila Vintém couldn't have been released. He was released again. So, Celsinho da Vila Vintém will soon have a rival faction invaded

and people will die because of this decision of this judge, or this judge, I don't know, who is certainly not corrupt, but he decided, in the law, that the guy has to go home.

So, it's a matter of legislation, it's urgent. And I told you another thing here, about the issue the homicide. In Brazil, when someone kills someone, the judge is not the one who will judge. It's the court of the jury.

So, you'll do a draw, and you'll draw people to form a jury. I asked Joel once, would you participate in the Doca jury? You, in the Doca. If you were chosen, Igor,

you were just chosen by the court of justice of Rio de Janeiro, you will be a jury...

Only if I have a mask and a synthesizer in my voice.

Then I'll go.

And then?

With a clean face...

I'm serious. No, I'm serious, say it. I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say it.

I'm not gonna say it. I'm not gonna say it.

I'm not gonna say it.

I'm not gonna say it. He's supposedly a mafioso to make the Italians jealous. I've told you before that his son was killed in a cowardly way. But I wouldn't be on Roger's trial. Honestly. I'd be afraid. So, a proposal from a group of brave judges in Brazil

is that all homicides sponsored by drug trafficking, we call it narcosidium, are no longer judged by the court's time. They are judged by the judges of criminal court.

It's true. It's different to witness a homicide

of a guy who took a gun, I don't know, he was drunk... Neighbor's homicide, right?

Yeah, he shot the guy. And a guy who was a faction leader, my brother.

A guy who lived in Penha, ranked... No way. Mayor's resident, was ranked for...

No way.

No way.

No way.

This is so easy to understand. But...

It's fucking awesome. I think, I have a feeling that you need to be there to understand this shit, Mariana. Because the guy who's not there, he can't... What do you mean, man?

Why can't a policeman live in a favela with peace of mind?

Fuck, man.

Come here.

Take a scene for me, Bruno. Families being kicked out of their homes in the Será. A scene from the police car. Because no Brazilian journalist has done that until today, Igor. I'm going to take advantage of your time to show this shit. It's a...

This phenomenon I told you about, which is a phenomenon that is an urban tragedy in Brazil today, humanitarian, right in Brazil today, in Africa we call it war exodus, war displacement. This usually happens in Burkina Faso, Nigeria, Aleppo, but it also happens in the state of El Mano Freitas, in PT.

So, many families are expelled, few journalists in Brazil have the courage to talk about this topic. And I saw three or four images that shocked me. The resident making a change, and the police car on his side, to give you protection. Then you think about something like this,

wait a minute, if the resident is giving protection to the police to make the change, the resident was expelled from the outskirts by the Red Command. Why didn't the police arrive two days earlier to ensure that the resident stays? Isn't it logical for you? Isn't it logical? This is not logical for public security, it will be. He sends the car.

If I were a human governor, I would call the police commander, man, set up your HQ, I'd call the police chief, and say, put your HQ, your base, in this fucking neighborhood. And if someone leaves the house, you lose your command. From now on, no one will be kicked out of the house anymore. If I were a human, I wouldn't tolerate this shame for my government,

because it will end the possibility of a re-election of the human. He'll get mad about it. He'll probably run for... with Ciro Gomes, maybe, right? Or with Roberto, who is another candidate. But, what a shame.

Is he not realizing it?

Because...

the...

You expel a resident from your house today is not a gun in your head. Get out of the house! That's not it. It's not a simple extortion. It's a 11-year-old boy who gets a spray and sprays it on the wall.

It leaks! And you don't pay to see it. So it's a crime. Almost invisible. It creates an incredible fear. And if you arrest this boy,

he won't be arrested, because he's a boy. And if you arrest an boy, he won't be arrested, because he's a boy. And if you arrest an adult, who's leaking gas, he won't be arrested either, because there's no specific type of penalty. And then, Igor, a PT deputy...

Look how I talk about PT sometimes. Once every 100 years, I talk about PT. A PT deputy, a deputy from Rio de Janeiro, Dimas, he proposed to Hugo Mota a law typifying the crime of Rio de Janeiro, Dimas, he proposed to Hugo Mota a law typifying the crime of eviction. Intimidate, provoke, threaten, right?

Because then you can catch the guy pulling. Now, look at the play. The play. It can't be a sentence less than 8 years. Why, Pimentel? Because any sentence less than 8 years in Brazil...

The guy doesn't get arrested.

The guy answers freely. Then the guy who pulled the trigger goes and kills you later. We have cases of people being murdered because they didn't leave their homes. So, we had many families that ran away and so many other families that chose to stay.

How does this process happen? Imagine that the Red Command faction invades a neighborhood to expel the rival faction and finds out that Mrs. Joana is the aunt of the drug dealer from Quebrada. Mrs. Joana, get out of the house. Marcelinho is the cousin of the bandit. Joana, get out of the house. Marcelinho is the bandit's cousin. Marcelinho, get out of the house.

So, in the end, he sends 40 or 50 families out of the neighborhood. Some journalists talked about ghost towns, which is a phenomenon in the Northeast. Did you find it, Bruno? Did you find this shit?

Look, let's see if it's good.

Here it is... Wait a minute. Families kicked out of their homes in Será. There's a picture... That image over there... There's a picture... There are two pictures of police cars.

He'll look for us.

The police car is covering it. It's embarrassing for the police. The police must be embarrassed.

I can imagine. I'm here to make your escape easier. Let me ask you something that has to do with Rio, which is what happened to me here. After an operation like this, that happened on Tuesday, you said that two hours later the guy was already there with a rifle again. Yes.

An action like this will certainly weaken the faction that is there, and the police will leave when the operation is over at the end of the day the police will leave man, this doesn't give a signalization we run the risk of seeing an attempt to invade there in the German and Penha complex

by other factions or militia after the weakening of the local crime there, man?

Yeah, for those who are not from Rio, right? The Red Command has an operation base as consolidated, as strong as the German, which is Rocinha. It's a little bit more, like, maybe 200 rifles less. Remembering that BOP five months ago, the police saw it, and the Serra police were in Rocinha to arrest Serra bandits.

And the bandits, 400 bandits, fled to the woods. BOP was in the woods, and BOP's option was not to kill the bandits, because a tragedy was going to happen. So, a would be a tragedy. So, many people from the press even said that the police gave up. So, the press, when they want the police to kill everyone, they say they give up.

But there is a bunker, a Red Command HQ, in Rocinha, which is very powerful. And there is also Chapadão, which also has a very powerful C.V. base. And there are also some favelas in Maré, because Maré is half TCP and half C.V. So the police's strike was basically in German.

And the Red Command's ability to regenerate is almost instantaneous. I see. That talk about putting 100 more bandits is true. Maybe some transfer, there's a CV in the Fluminense Bachata, there's a CV in the Lagos region, there's a CV in Angra dos Reis. So, in the real world, my friend, maybe they'll put those rifles back in 3 or 4 weeks. It's sad to say this, but it's true.

And that's why I told you. If I were a dictator, I don't want to be a dictator, I don't even want to be a politician, but if I were a dictator, I'd put the parachute fighter there yesterday, or the day before yesterday.

So an operation like this serves to intimidate or... I don't know, now I'm thinking if... Well, the guy who's a bandit, the guy who's a high-level faction, it's not hard to imagine that he has connections in the public power, right? It's hard to imagine... No, but wait, speak carefully careful, or they'll get mad.

It's not hard to imagine that he has a connection with the political world. It's also hard to imagine that they have information, they can have information about an operation that will happen. But a fight like this, in the Red Command, does it also scare the guys from the Third?

Peixão must be in a lot of trouble, because the last three attempts to take Peixão failed, right? With the mobilization of 400 men, with many injured police officers, with seven civilians killed, you remember that, attacked by the 3rd Command.

The 3rd Command of Peixão is basically... Basically, it's the city of Alta, Vigar Geral, Lucas, right? The 3rd Command of Peixão doesn't have the military capacity to cross the river and invade Germany, no. Although the proximity is invading Germany, no. Despite the proximity, it's not that far, Peixão managed to take Cidade Alta in 2017.

I think that in the history of the wars in Rio de Janeiro it was the biggest war, the biggest daring of Peixão. And possibly, Igor, possibly at that time with the help of some military police. Legend has it that they used two police guns at the time, not from BOP, but from some battalion.

We know this is true. I'm sorry to say this, but I often speak ill of the police. Peixão took over Cidade Alta in 2017. And when you think about the history of the use of drones in wars in the world, everyone thinks that the first use of drones in war was the war between Armenia and Azerbaijan. Because the war between Ukraine and Russia was later.

The first use of drones in war in the world was Pechão using 12 drones in the city of Alto in 2017. You can look up any internet story, there is no... I don't know any regular armed force... Nowadays, the FARC in Colombia use drones, Russia uses them, Ukraine also uses them a lot. The most lethal army in in combat is through drones.

And I've already told you once that the drone came to stay. It came to stay. The possibility, not to make anyone desperate, the possibility of the Red Command using these drones in the next few days for terrorist actions, right? Bombing public buildings, police stations, battalions, airports... It's quite reasonable.

They'll get a little machine, they'll fly it. Remembering that the German complex is very close to the headquarters of the airport. Tom Jobim, right? Very close to the headquarters. But, certainly... of the airport's headquarters, Tom Jobim, very close to the headquarters. But it wouldn't be... It would be a stupid thing to do.

What?

It wouldn't be a stupid thing, because an action... Look, an attack on an airport, or a city hall, or something like that,

kind of justifies a more intense police rise. Let's go. Do you think it's stupid? The Red Command attacked the Anácio de Guanabara in 2002, attacked the Rio City Hall in 2002, attacked 4 municipal schools in 2002, attacked the South Rio Shopping Center in 2002...

I think they're better now.

They're more... More... No, no, I think, and this is bad, ok? I think that now they know how to play better. They're not that bold. No, no, no. I think that now they know how to play, they understand better the political game, the media game. So, in my opinion, this is an analysis that I just took off my ass, ok?

If the guy blows up an airport, in a way, it's hard for the media to defend a police raid in a case like this. In my case, it's Lula or Lewandowski.

It's very hard. How are you going to defend it? If the guy blows up, who's to blame when the guy blows up an airport? Yes, yes. Then the police have to go up. When everyone is saying that the police have to go up, they are screwed.

And I think they got smarter in that sense. I think they know how to play, especially after Marielle's case, when they saw what happened. I think they learned that when we are going to do something, we have to play with the media, and we have to do it in a way that looks dubious. Like... Like... Like...

Like...

Like... Like... Like... Like... Like... Like... Like... I was seeing them all in their suits. Why? It's curious. Without clothes and everything.

What happened?

It's possible they had a underwear ceremony.

It's possible.

They were in the air, in the pyjama party. But I think that now, for them to take action, I think they think twice. This is bad, because it shows that they are becoming more strategic, more... again. This is all I... This has no information.

I hope you are very right, because the Red Command that existed in 2002 are the same leaders that are there today. It's the same Maitó, it's the same Marcinho VP, it's the same. So they are the same people. I hope you are right in your analysis, and I will leave here happy. But, remembering, the Red Command already ordered to shoot at school. They already ordered to attack the Guanabara Palace.

The Red Command already exploded a bomb. The PCC already ordered to kill 45 police officers in one night. The Zinho, a militiaman, had 37 buses burned in two hours and closed Rio de Janeiro. So I think you have a kind of Levandowskiian doctrine.

Levandowskiian. I think you really believe... No, it's more of an optimism than anything else. But it's also a pessimistic optimism. I really hope it's right, because the population doesn't fuck up that much.

From the moment it exploded... Bro, imagine the guy... I'm thinking about the possibility of the guy blowing up a bomb in Santos Dumont.

Fucked up. Santos Dumont is far, man. The head is very close to Tom Jobim. By the way, man... Imagine if you talk to Tom Jobim. But the international Tom Jobim. If you talk to a colleague who operates in Tom Jobim, in Galeão, logically, he arrives at the airport's runway with little energy.

Because the project has a useful range of 600, 700 meters, and a maximum range of 3,000 meters. So, eventually, teams from the Galeão airport, Levan Dovz, who doesn't know about this, attention, exclusive, eventually teams find 7.62 projectors.

Our luck is that it didn't reach the cabin of any Airbus, or any 777, or any 787 from Delta, from Lufthansa. It's our luck. No, I'm saying this is a sensitivity. Not necessarily this shot could have come from Germany,

but it could have come from Barbante, which is very close. This is a very high risk factor. It's like the balloons in Rio de Janeiro. Everyone knows that one day it's going to go to shit. They're waiting for it to go to shit to take some precautions.

If it's going to go to shit, it will. Let's wait for it to go to shit first to do something.

Uh-huh, that's good. Send us the messages, Vitão. We have to release the guy on his schedule, because he has to do it too. Rosnaldo Venega sent a message through Pix. Yes, he did. SSF, Pimentel, why don't the police wear helmets?

Because we see that in war, the soldiers wear helmets. And be careful with the shock in the microphone. Fuck!

Hug! He even gave me a shit now. The military police bought some Kevlar helmets, which are very light, right? They are static helmets. They protect from stabbings, right? They can't withstand the impact of a rifle shot.

But for those who operate in the forest, the helmet is extremely...

It gets in the way.

It's not very comfortable. It generates more stress than protection. But in the video... I'll send you a link to this guy later. What's his name? I don't know.

Rosnaldo? I'll send you a link to him later. Here in the shock battalion teams in Rio de Janeiro, several police officers are using helmets that were recently acquired. I would honestly use it, because when a Project 762 hits a wall, it takes off its protective jacket and goes on the police officer's head.

It's not lethal, but it's incapacitating. The guy falls to the ground in pain. Good question from this guy.

Good.

Play it. Benito sent a message through Pix. Our app, OTT, where there's shooting, has already registered 4 out of 746 shootings in the state of Rio. With flowers, we won't solve anything.

We're at civil war.

Do you agree that civil war...

Who said that? What's his name?

Benito.

Benito. I told this story to Igor, but Igor shouldn't remember. In 2008, Corcovado won the 8th Wonder of the World Award. So there was a ceremony in Rio de Janeiro. And President Lula went to Rio de Janeiro to this ceremony. The governor was Sérgio Cabral.

And that day there was an operation of the military police, the civil police, where 25 criminals were killed in Germany. And President Lula, even though he says it's the drug dealers' fault, he gave a beautiful interview.

It was the first time in my life that I agreed with President Lula. I said, fuck, this guy is awesome. He gave an interview saying, don't fight the traffic with rose petals. That was beautiful, man. The OAB of Rio de Janeiro didn't speak about these 25 deaths.

Benedita da Silva didn't speak about these 25 deaths. My friend Freixo, whom I consider, didn't speak about these 25 deaths. Nobody said it. The editorial of Rede Globo last night didn't say it was a massacre. The Wall didn't say it was a massacre.

Because Lula said you don't fight with pink petals. That's the reality. And I really agree with you, I agree with Lula. It's not with pink petals that you fight the Red Command. Good. Very good, right? Go with rose petals that the Red Command is fought. Good.

Very good, right?

Go, give him the last one. It's awesome that I have a fucking memory, I remember everything.

I'm half of all. I was born and raised in Rio de Janeiro, at least 30 years ago, the reality is the same. And what makes me very sad is to see that people end up falling into narratives, fighting each other on the internet, and also personally, about who is the hero, the villain, the police, the thief, when in reality, in large part, the peripheral population goes either to the police, militarism, or to crime, and are forced to fight each other daily,

while the real culprit is inside a room, in the air-conditioned room, in peace.

What a beautiful statement, man. This young man almost quoted for me the lyrics of the song, of D2, Who is the hero and the villain, right? He hit the bandit in front of him, the lieutenant of the battalion. Do you remember this song?

Do you like D2, Pimentel? Fuck, my brother, I shouldn't have said that. I'm kidding. Finish it later, when you finish it. You can't put the song on, it's a shame. Man, but tell this young man, Marcelo D2 and... And that other one, what's his name?

The... The fucking good guy, too. What's his name? I don't know. The name of the song is... It's Bateu de Freitas.

We'll look for it.

Let's take a look. Bruno is already looking there. Bruno! Bruno, Marcelo D2. It's a testimony of a guy who lives in Rio.

He knows what happens there in his daily life.

And the song says, who is the hero or the villain? We don't know who is the hero or the villain. And at the end he ends by saying that the fault is of those who are not in the favela. It's true. Even the pothead, as Lula said.

There are potheads in in the slums too. Pimentel, thank you for the moral, man. Thank you for your time. Thank you for being here. I'm very happy to be able to count on you when we think there are some cool subjects to talk about.

Call me when I come, man. Call me when I come. I'm really distressed with the narrative issue. Eventually I get emotional because I really like to chat. Sometimes a journalist says something, and I apologize to them, I say, you didn't do that.

But sometimes a journalist says, look, Pimentel, I want to talk about the death of civilians. But what civilian are you talking about, for God's sake? Fardado wasn't a party for a bat, it wasn't a party for a girl. Why was the guy wearing a camouflage uniform? Right?

Ah, Pimentel, The boys tried to surrender, but what boys are you talking about? And this makes the discussion unfeasible. They are not civilians, they are insurgents. That's the name they give themselves. They are not bandits, they are drug traffickers. They are not police and bandits, it's civil war. If we don't start from these basic premises, we can't solve it.

Then a colleague comes and says, yesterday UN spokesman gave an interview complaining about police lethality. And I said to the journalist, politely, take the UN resolution on peace force in Haiti. It's not peace maintenance force, Take the UN resolution on peace force in Haiti.

It's not a force for peace maintenance, it's a force for peace imposition. The Brazilian army can and should kill an armed person who threatens an UN agent of a humanitarian team. So if I used the rules of Haiti in Rio de Janeiro today, where the UN fought gang and bandit Haiti in Rio de Janeiro today, where the UN fought against gangs and banditry in Sitesoleio,

I would be very happy. Because the UN's rules of engagement and combat are much more advanced, much more intelligent than the Brazilian Penal Code. To finish, if the factions were called terrorist organizations, would that make any practical difference? Yes, comrade. In world resources, in instant information exchange agreements, because the federal agencies, Interpol, ATF, DEA, FBI,

they can, from this global understanding, exchange information in an instant. They don't need a judge's authorization, and also, a resource shipment. In a little while, Europe will understand that Brazil is the biggest cocaine supplier in the world. Even without producing cocaine.

Even without producing. Europe will discover that we released the biggest cocaine dealer in the world, André do Rap, right? A decision by Minister Marco Aurélio de Mello, who is not a thief, he released it in the law.

He realized that the promoter, I don't know, missed the preventive period, and in the platoon he went there and released André do Rap. André do Rap is a guy whose faction killed thousands of people. André do Rap is a faction that put tons of cocaine in Europe, but Marco Aurelio de Mello, judging, very smart, and without any irony, using the Brazilian law,

put André do Rap on the streets. Maybe he regrets it today. So, my friend, soon, Brazil will have to... It will be pressured by the world...

To look at this issue...

To look at the issue that this is a real... These are actions of terror. Yeah.

Pimentel, once again, thank you very much. Thanks for the moral. For those who are just listening to us, how do they find you on the internet? On Instagram, for example. Rodrigo, underline, Pimentel. We will leave it in the comment section so you can easily find him. All of Rodrigo's social media.

So, if you want to know more about public safety, just click and you will be directed to his profile. Don't forget to like this video, man. It's very important. If you have it on your phone, there's a new button called Hype. Give it a try, because I don't know what it does, but it must be good. What can we comment on? We can comment on... Force and Honor.

Force and Honor. Very beautiful. Is it Force and Honor or Go and Win?

Go and Win, then. Force and Honor is gone. Go and Win.

Thank you for the space, Caraí. To finish, at this moment we still have brave warriors from this operation, hospitalized. There's a delegate who's in a very difficult situation, very unstable. He had his leg amputated. There are colleagues from BOP who are intubated. There's a BOP captain who's also hospitalized, also very injured in the leg. He wasn't

arrested It was a fight And these four police officers are true heroes, you know? So that's the message. Thank you.

Thank you, Rodrigão. Thank you for watching. And we'll see each other later, because we'll have another flow today, ok? And we'll see each other later, because we'll have another flow today, ok? Kisses for you. See you there. Bye.