RuPaul's Drag Race Season 7 Eps 5, 6, & 7: "Wigs, Woe, & Redemption" with Trixie and Katya | Bald

So this is a very special episode of the Fall in the Beautiful because we are recapping season seven of Drag Race the most. Reviled and also beloved. But star studded. Yes, reviled and beloved. Controversial.

Yes.

Divisive. Everybody from this season has either gone on to be a drag superstar or live in the woods

or with almost no contact or do porn. Yeah. So we're, mama, we Yeah. So we're all thriving. We're all separating off. We're all surviving and very through-vibing.

Yes.

In a very interesting way. And getting all these voice notes has been kind of good to have an excuse to text like Candy Ho.

Yeah.

Like some of these people I just have not excuse to reach out to.

Yeah.

So people like her, people like Pearl, people are- Fame is now a mother? I haven't texted her because I just think, what time is it in Switzerland? Yeah, and also, I don't wanna, like, whenever somebody gets, like, when Cole won the Emmy, I'm like, I'm not texting them.

She won a Tony.

Oh shit, when Cole won the Tony, I'm not texting them because they probably received 400 texts. You and I should have a Tony Awards awards where we just give out Tony Collette awards. Oh my god, T-O-N-I-E. Yes, so like what outfits she wore this year, what movie she was in. Tony, Tony, Tony. Yeah, the Tonys, the T-O-N-I's,

and everyone has an Aussie accent. Would you guys want us to come to Australia and host the Tony Collette awards, the Tony awards? That is so, the Tonys. The Tonys. perform? I've written Tony Soprano. Oh my God. Tony Danza. Tony Danza. Tony Bennett. We could also throw a curveball, Tony Katane. Who's that? A video of Tony Katane. Oh, drag

name Tony Def. That's kind of fun. Tony Hawk. Big fan. What? No, no, no, no, sorry. It's the other skateboarder, is a huge fan. Well, I was at a diner, Clark Street Diner, and he had the biggest, most successful collaboration with Nike, and he's a famous, what is his name? He's so cute too, I would fuck him. I love when real athletes like us.

Baby. I think it's so cute too, I would fuck him. I love when real athletes like us. I think it's so flattering. Baby, it was flat-orama. And he was like, he, my friend walked by and he flagged my friend down, I was like, is that Katya? And then I was with my mom, it was my birthday. And it was so cute.

What is his name? What is his name? I mean, he's, he had long hair. Tony Bologna? No. Oh, Tony the Tiger? Tony Chocoloni? Tony the Tiger. Tony the Tiger. Anyways, long story short, this famous skateboarder loves us.

Wow.

Yeah. Also, Alex Consani loves you, apparently, and not me. It makes you so jealous. You know…

Did you pray today?

I'm sure she likes you too. Yeah, maybe. I think she just knows if like, people just know you, because you're more famous and you come first. But if they knew you, they would never care about me. Because you could do me,

but I could never do you.

Okay.

Well, let's talk about what you didn't do on Drag Race. Which is by the way, in retrospect, getting to skip three episodes. And thank God, mama, these were the episodes to skip, baby doll. I don't want to be a hater because what you might think is that if I'm not in the episodes,

I'm like snooze, boring. But I'm so cringed out by myself that once I was eliminated, season, episode five started and I thought, oh good, now I'm just watching my friends. Yeah. Which is true. I wasn't there. I enjoyed watching that episode after Hello Kitty so much more than anything else. Once you're not in it, you're like, this is great.

Especially when you suffer humiliation. Well, T. So I remember I was at home. Why don't you, we're gonna get through the Despies. We're gonna get through. No, no, Merle, Hollywood Story.

We're gonna get through Merle, Hollywood Story.

And Snatch Game.

Snatch Game. Yeah. This is a mega episode. So first of all, top of the show, I feel so shocked and betrayed right now.

Full body chills.

Okay, full body chills. So you're gone. We do have a very fun mini challenge. Do you remember my, do you remember my message? I don't remember. It just said whore. like Black Swan. And do you remember you knew it was directed at you? And you came up and you said,

did you suck his cock? And then you started wiping it off. And then I just cut myself. How is no one just written whore like Black Swan

on the mirror in Drag Race?

Because nobody's good. Nobody's any good. I think I wrote like, love yourself girl. Who fucking knows. I know. It's crazy. It's crazy. Next time I do drag race to get a limited, I'm going to say, Is Pepsi okay?

Full body chills. A single drop of blood. It will just be really deep cuts. You're terrible, Muriel. You know, it'll just be something out there that leaves everyone concerned. Oh my God, people should do when they leave drag race to the girl who knows

what she did. Yours will be coming to you. Very, very, uh, uh, your next bitch, Tokyo, Tony, Tokyo, very Tokyo, Tokyo, Tokyo, we should have them in Tokyo with Tony, the Tokyo Tony. Have you ever seen that Tokyo Tony clip where she's like, it's a lot of, when it comes to the LGBT community, it's a lot of issues going on. And Michelle Obama, I wouldn't want to be,

no, she says, Hillary Clinton, I wouldn't want to be in your shoes right now.

That's like the whole TikTok.

Have you seen the one where she's trying to rent out her front yard? Yes. Okay, enough of the hooky-ho Tony, we got work to do. We got, okay, yeah, we gotta get through it. So, we have fabulous, fun mini challenge, creating iconic red carpet dresses out of paper.

Love this. So fun. How much time did you have? And you know what, this is a great, fun, relevant, good, entertaining mini challenge. Yes. Because it shows creativity. Everybody's dresses were incredible. They actually were pretty good.

Pearl's share on Max, I believe, was stunning. Impressive. Stunning, stunning. And that's what Pearl is so good at. Me and Kasia make Bjork's swan dress, super fun. Yes.

And then little Kim, I think Ginger's little Kim.

That's what I'm saying.

So fun. Little Kim, I think Ginger's Little Kim. That's what I'm saying. I don't know how much time you guys had, but the fact that these were head to toe looks. We had about 30 minutes. I think maybe a little more, maybe 45. I mean, you guys have jewelry.

Yeah.

Some of you have makeup items. It was so fun. It was actually really, really fun. And that's like, I love when they set up the mini challenge to like to really just have fun and to show creativity rather than I mean also stupid's great too. But like and the time constraint means we're going to be set up for a little bit of flop yeah fun way but it's a fun way and I don't I don't like it when they just set you up

to fail or it's boring I don't know. Right. So that was fun me and Kasia win whatever and then we are given Kasia gets to do her Joan Rivers. Oh, yeah. She does her Joan Rivers. Which isn't great. No, it's not. I watched it and I was like... It's not great. It's not funny.

I was like, Kasia...

It's not funny. Also, there were no jokes.

It was just her going like,

I'll dress this paper.

Yeah. Oh my God. Okay. Wow.

Yeah. That was it. Love you. Love you. You know what, when I'm watching it, Kasia is one of those people, I think her, I don't want to like government name her, but-

Ed Popple?

Girl, I watch it and I go, come on, Ed Popple.

You better work, Ed Popple. You better work, Ed. By the way, Kasia Davis, sober now and married many, many years. To Mr. Davis. To Mr. Davis, yeah. Yeah, who was lovely. At the time, that made her seem so old to me that she was a missus. And she was married. I was like, oh, there's a grown-up here.

Was she?

None of us were married. Well, she was. Well, Faye was married, I guess.

Also, she was at...

Yeah, but she, at this point, since Tempest is gone, she is the elder statesman. That's right. Yeah, yeah. So I should have taken a page out of this and then done her for Snatch Game, but whatever. So we have to host the Despies. We come up with some banner.

It's not great. I mean, it's not great. Oh, but Mary Dugan, my dress. No, no, no, before we get to the challenge. Okay, what?

Not to cut you off. We get Pearl versus RuPaul.

Oh my god! I can't believe this happened at this time. Can I say at the time I thought this was so disrespectful and crazy and I wasn't there but as a viewer I was like this is crazy. But now knowing that she's 23 and she's on Drag Race and I know that RuPaul has never encountered a single drag queen willing to talk to her the way RuPaul talked to her. And RuPaul is staring at her at, what, eight feet tall? Pearl's 90 pounds seated.

She's the size of a red M&M, just sitting there. And then she just goes, well, you kind of just told me I had no personality.

Yeah.

It's...

It's wild. I remember I was at the table. So, we're going to the workroom there on the left. I was right there on the left table. I was like... So, you could hear all of it? I... It's... She's right there. And you're what? Pretending to sew?

I was like...

Girl, the machine's going and there's no fabric.

Yeah, yeah.

You're sewing through the hand. I'm writing with no pencil. No, she was, um... The machine's not on and you're just feeding the fabric through it.

I'm on the phone.

Background work.

You know what it gives? Remember in the first season of rehearsal, the woman eating the fake chicken? That's you.

I'm having a fake conversation with Kasia. There's no one. You're talking to a mannequin. I'm fucking mannequin. There's something about when something that awkward is going on that you're like, can I become the wallpaper real quick? I know. Oh, so it was more tense and more awkward than it was on television.

Because people don't know during the RuPaul walkthroughs, everyone is silent. And they're long, mama. You're not allowed to speak.

No, they're long.

They're long.

And RuPaul does one for everyone, but they don't show it. No, and I think fans have realized, especially at the top of the season, if you get a walkthrough, you're going home.

Well, if it's-

Because, you know what I mean? But in real time, we all get a walkthrough. We all get a walkthrough, but there's a clue, of course, the people who get walkthroughs in the first couple of episodes are either in the top or the bottom. Yes. Um, from a story perspective. So this was so fucking uncomfortable.

It was so tense. It was insane. RuPaul was so angry. Like it was like, it was like crazy. And I mean, I'm sure it was longer in person, but I guess the moral of the story to me is that I admire Pearl for this moment. Not because I think it's fun to mouth off to RuPaul, but

no. At 23, I wouldn't have been able to do that. I wouldn't have been able to do that to RuPaul now, no matter what RuPaul said to me. No. Well, the next episode, I literally told Ru, this wasn absolutely terrified of her face. I've done that too. She refutes it. She's, she, she, with me, she played with it. Oh, one time I told her she was so scary, and she said, no, everybody says that.

I said, well, everybody says that. And obviously, admire someone so much, and fear them as interconnected tissue. You know, it's an admiration.

Yeah, yeah.

Pearl just sits there and RuPaul stares at her. RuPaul's in. I don't remember any other words. And Max is sitting there. Max is sitting there giving Tim Burton. Yeah. Gray, silver and white. I don't know what's taking place here. They cut to Max and she's like, you know, she's got a British flag. She's got a ginger spice. Yes. And then she Max goes, I'm very uncomfortable right now. Yeah. It was my accent. It was, yeah, yeah, yeah. No, no, no, no accent. It was no accent. She put on her Mrs. Doubtfire wig just left. You've achieved a doubtful idea. Like, I can't believe,

shout out to Pearl. I would have never had the balls for that. It was huge. Her balls were, her balls took up half the room. It was like the Macy's Day parade with just balls. It was crazy. And, and yeah, it was, and then she leaves. How long did she leave for? It was a while. It was a while. It was enough to be concerning. It was like enough to be dramatic. It was weird.

Yeah, it was strange.

Do you think she was going to quit?

I don't know.

I don't know.

I think she was really pissed off because people were dog piling on her. Like you have no, imagine being told you have no personality. Right. But she does have a personality. She's just not like, hey, mama fierce. Ooh, ooh, ooh. She's not annoying. By the way, for everyone like us in the world

who's obnoxious and up there, there needs to be Pearls. No, no, no, we're not obnoxious. We're obnoxious in a different way. But drag queen obnoxious is a very specific kind of frequency.

Pearl is nowhere near that frequency. which is often grating. So she is fierce because she's chill. You and I are one brain cell, and we're sitting there going like, exactly, like, you know, we're not... We're not even thinking about other people in that way.

No.

But a lot of the drag queens in the room were operating at a frequency that you and I were not on. And Pearl certainly was not on. No, and it was, I thought it was like, I didn't, it was, it's refreshing, but at the time it was fascinating. Because nobody had ever been like that.

Nobody had been like that. I mean, Max was a little like that. Max kept to himself a lot. Aloof, though, aloof is different than chill. Yes. Because Max was not chill.

No. But she was very aloof. And to herself. And elusive and introverted. But Pearl was like literally James Dean chill cool. And to say that that person has no personality.

It's just not true.

Pearl, if you sit and talk to Pearl, Pearl's as funny as anybody. As much personality as anybody. She's just not cheating out and screaming. Yeah, and she's actually quite interesting.

Anyways.

And gifted, whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, whatever. I just couldn't believe this. It was so crazy to watch. But it was such an easy storyline for the producer, I think, to latch on to. And of course, the, like, you know, the caterpillar and the butterfly. You know, you get the whole story arc of coming out of your shell and blooming and blossoming and all that stuff. But I think that the golden rule of reality TV, and I have produced several reality TV shows now, is nothing's more interesting than what's really happening.

So, the truth is, she has this face-off with RuPaul. But she does good in the challenge. So, the story is, there's this friction, and then she figures it out. It could have easily been friction, and then she has weird vibes,

and it tanks her in the challenge. I don't think that's fabricated. No. But the truth is this difficult conversation happened and then she did well.

Yeah.

What is the connective tissue there? It's about balls. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. And later we would learn from RuPaul's What's the Tee podcast that at the time she wanted to send her motherfucking ass home. That's right there. I couldn't believe she was. I can't believe she included that. That was a rare moment of honesty from or like behind the scenes honesty from me. She's like, I want to send that fucking bitch home. But I knew because she's hot or whatever. I was like, damn Rue, you know, interesting. Yeah. Which is confusing

because I was also really hot. I know. Like, so you're for setting up for keeping hot people, why did I go? Did you see my little corn teeth? Did you see my receding hairline? And also the audience has a right to know. And why is my skin so light and my nipples dark brown? What about that? America has a right to know.

The viewers need to see that.

The viewers need to know.

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I mean, I'm not super jazz just to do anything on Drag Race. Like, I mean, to be quite honest. I don't like working with people. You just there to vibe. I don't like working with people. I don't either. I don't like, girl, you do your thing, I'll do my thing. Let's just meet, whatever. And also, this is really a moment for me to,

where I get to really flex my styling muscles the most fetching, incredibly tantalizing, non-lined sequined t-shirt dress. Okay. I like this dress. Okay. So, get this though. So, where I wear these underneath the dress, I'm wearing glitter bordellos. So, with the chunky glitter.

I did see that. So, guess what happens when you have no slit in the dress and you're wearing chunky glitter heels underneath the dress and you were in chunky glitter heels underneath the dress and no lining. The sequins all rub off from the friction of you walking. Now I'm a pacer, so I'm practicing while pacing,

pacing, pacing. So what happens is that there is about two feet of sequins completely sloughed off of the back of the dress and I lucked out because we did not walk the runway. I didn't clock it at all. Exactly. Because we never rocked the runway.

We never did a runway. I would have been cooked alive. Well, I was cooked alive because they never saw the back of the dress, but they saw the

flat hair.

Well, the front was nothing to celebrate either, girl. Let's be honest. I like the color. It's a beautiful cranberry, beautiful pink. No, no, it's just pink. I love the pink dress. It's fuchsia. Okay, well, that shows my brain.

I'm just like, love that.

Yeah, it's fuchsia. It's, it's, it's, it's.

The issue is the hair. Yeah, I don't know how to do hair.

No, no, no.

You also don't know how to shop for hair. wig from Dorothy's, her name was Jordan. Her name was Jordan.

Jordan.

She was a hard front and there was nothing soft about her. She was, and also it had that plastic sheen that ran out the back.

Really plastic sheen.

She needed to be tied to the tailpipe and driven around the block.

Do you know what she needed?

Well, a lot of things. I think like drag queens call it like dirtying up the wig. Yeah. It needed to be sprayed with hairspray, combed out. Spray with hairspray, combed out like five times. But guess what? Ask me how to do open heart surgery. You think I'm going to know how to do it?

Yeah. No.

No. So that's hair styling with me. I don't know about hair. I want it to look good from somebody else. I mean, everything else I'd love to learn how to do. I'd love to learn how to DJ. You know what I mean? It's also okay to not do every part of drag. Yes, but it's also not okay to not bring something

for every occasion or to wear something that is flagrantly unsatisfactory. Just knowing what I know now at your hosting look, That dress with an updo with some cool earrings, it could have easily been a hosting dress. Serviceable. Yeah. Serviceable. Your body looks great. Yeah. Serviceable.

And, um...

Your face looks good.

My face looks good. I mean, I'm, I'm, I, I definitely am like in the, like, with glaucoma passing, you know, and, um, nothing crazy bad about the makeup. Um, thank... So, I was going home. You... What? Until I had the award. Because my... We sucked.

We just... We are not that funny. I mean, we didn't suck, but we were not that funny. And... You guys didn't seem like you had a good... Rapport. Rhythm. No, we didn't have a good rhythm. And... Because she has her stick, I have mine. And I was going to do it in a Russian accent, but that just did not make any sense with

her. And like, and I was just like, we never really got gelled so much. And it's hard to do that. It's hard to like come up with chemistry with another person because we were kind of going on Tina and Amy. Why didn't you want to do a character? I just thought it was gonna be corny.

And then your talking head is,

I'm afraid to do it because it like it's I'm the most gifted at, then you're a failure. That made so much sense. Well, yeah, because also there was never an operator. I never felt that I'm good at reading the temperature of the room. Like, I feel like I have that ability and it just never was the vibe.

No, it was like, it was, cause I, it was that character. Max Ard was already doing an accent.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. There's already one in the room.

That's what I'm saying. Like, it, realness was the vibe.

Realness was the vibe.

I was, and I've never been myself in drag. Up until this point, I'm either an imposter on the weekends with Bachelorette I've never been myself in drag and I was very feeling that. Like my personality, but with drag on. In Drag Race. Because I knew that when I left the show, God willing, I succeeded. I'm not traveling around doing the Russian accent.

Because I don't do that. I didn't want to be like a weird Russian person, fake Russian person. So I had to like negotiate that. And so I, we did our thing. It was like negotiate that. And so I we did our thing. It was like forgettable. I thought Pearl was really good with Max.

Pearl was good. When Pearl does the ginger impression. What did she say?

Come on down to Gatorland, girl.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

I love that shit. It was cute.

And I love Pearl's outfit.

Yeah, yeah.

Max looks great too. Violet's dress. So in person, so it looked, it was all stones, so it was so heavy. It was a mesh dress, deep neckline, solid stones, and the most beautiful ombre effect, so heavy, it was like 50 pounds or something,

and it was dragging a lot. It looked gorgeous in person. It still looked nice on TV, but it was dragging along. It looked gorgeous in the person. It still looked nice on TV, but it was.

The stones didn't quite read on TV.

Stones don't read. Fame's dress was amazing. The cap sleeve with the long glove. Oh, I loved it. I was one of my favorite outfits she's ever worn. And then instead of crying,

she makes a joke about like, like I was going to cry, but damn Botox will get you every time. Actually funny. She was good. Yeah. And the man upstairs, thanks for the light. You know, thanks for the light. I look gorgeous. Fame did a great job. She did a good job. She did a good job. And I, this was the only point in the show where I was actually able to tell Ru, like, this is the kind of funny I am. Right. And I was like, oh, that's all you need. That's that was like the most special moment up at that point.

Because and I didn't I had no idea what I was going to say. So when I got up there, I was like freaking out and I was like, And I just said that it was like I had no idea. It wasn't planned or anything. And and I was like, because that's how we do it at the show in Boston and like just improv and I just that came out of my mouth and she laughed very like she laughed a lot.

And I was like, oh, thank God I'm not going home. You did great. Yeah, but it was just I really landed. It landed and it was like Bob Ross was so random and she was the only one that got it. She was the only one who knew that was right. And it was like I was like, oh, that was great. And Isaac Mizrahi got it because he's like,

he said, I have a core of irony. I have a core of irony. I was like, that's what you need to recognize in a drag queen. Do you know what I mean? A core of irony. Like you operate from a perspective of irony. Sure. Like you know what, ironic, irreverent, like we're not, I don't think, Jaden operates from a point of irony. She's a fierce showgirl. I think operating from a place of,

like you know it's all a joke. But what's funny is that you act like it's not.

Yeah.

That is what makes it funny. Yeah. That's why the joke of drag queen saying, I'm just a young woman, whatever. Yeah. The apparent truth is different from the obvious truth. Yes. I wasn't there, but as a viewer, I also thought that Kennedy and Jaden did okay. Yeah. I mean, Kennedy's great.

I love when Kennedy said, we look like a number 10. When she's something in a wall clock. And then she said, stand over there, go like this. She goes, my point. Very funny. And I said, from the star of Tyler Perry's Roots, Kennedy Davenport.

You said this?

Yes.

Completely improv'd. I had no idea. It just came out of my mouth. Came out of my mouth. And she said, straight from Kunta Kinte's Hut. It's so funny.

She's so good. She's so good. Kennedy is great. She's great. Everybody, Ginger's good in it. Yep. Um... Ginger performs with Candy, right? I think they kind of do this... Yeah, and Ginger, yeah, and she just steamrolls Candy.

It's so hard to...

It's hard to perform with Ginger because she's so good.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Candy didn't stand a chance.

Yeah.

But Ginger could have done her a favor, but that's not her responsibility. I mean, you and I go through this when we work together. I usually, I think, end up setting up the joke. And then you usually have the punchline when we do our stage show. But if you both do a good job, it's everyone's line. It doesn't have to be the straight man never does well.

Because setting up the joke can also be very fucking funny. Well, it's you don't have a joke without a setup. You know what I mean? So it's, yeah. It's a lot of responsibility. And you can, you, it's so one-on-one, but you, if you make it about liking each other, look good. You both look good.

Yeah.

Like when I do Pit Stop, it's actually more about setting the other guest up for their day. For their moment. I'm really that they haven't done what they probably have but I think they should have done another despise. I love the fact that you guys really voted for each other. Yes, and you want media stuck with my two inch weenie. Two inches hard. Congratulations on the media. It was great. Did that did that kind of come up when you were touring and hooking up where guys like, well, I heard.

No, no, no. I was from because in Tucked I had my whole cock out. The whole cock. Well, you had the cage. It was the cock room.

People saw the cage and it was the size of a bingo cage.

Yeah.

One of those like turning balls. No, it was Oh, 27. Yeah. Cock. And you just spin it and it was a hit the clip. No, I don't know. I don't know what that was. So then there's no runway. Okay, so there's no... But they do talk about your looks. Jesus H. Christ shone down on me on this day because I truly, I was...

Now, you have to understand because the sequins really do make an impact. When I was looking in the mirror at my dress, it was fucking dazzling. To me. Are you talking about the... My pink T-shirt. Right. When the stage lights hit, or the workroom lights hit my dress,

in the mirror, it looked beautiful. Because sequins look beautiful.

Right.

But, so I didn't even see the hair. You have to understand, Mama, I'm no hair person. Mama, I'm like Brooke Hogan. Like I don't do hair. Oh yeah, Pearl introduces that great joke that you're the Brooke Hogan of Drag. Hysterical. Hysterical. And then you tell, I think you tell Michelle this hair's from the Brooke

Hogan collection.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Love. and I got a basic dress and also I was like not that great in the jello. So I think I was in the bottom, but...

What?

No, I was safe, safe, I was safe.

Yeah.

I was safe.

But Kasia didn't deserve to be in the bottom, I don't think. Well, our bottom ends up being Kasia and Candy Ho.

Yeah.

And it's a bummer because Kasia flubbed one word and they repeated that three times. Three times, yeah. And it's like that's... She said welcome wrong? She just flubbed over welcome. She stuttered. And anybody who knows Kasha knows that that whore is fine in a microphone. She's not a flopper.

She's not a flopper. She would have done a great job on her own. Yeah. Like, and I think I would have done much better on my own as well. Unfortunately for Kasha, lip syncing is Candies. Yeah, she's a Terminator. Candies, Cadbury's, Kasha.

She's a Terminator, yeah. Also, it was to Ariana Grande.

I know.

No, no, what was it? That was Death Becomes Her.

It was Lover Girl, Tina Marie. Lover Girl, oh yeah, yeah. Great song. Great song. Pussy. Actually, that was fair for both of them.

I feel.

Well, cause Kasha probably knew it. Yeah. And also like when, when J, what was it? When Max had to do, oh, do, do, do, do, do. What was it? Do, do, do, no more lies. Yeah. I was like, good luck, Whitey.

Girl, it's really, it's really rough. Let's move on. Shout out to Kasia. So Kasia, love, love, love you.

Oh, do we have a note from Kasia?

Let's see. Shout out to Kasia. It's, listen.

I never got to do...

Go ahead.

...snatch game. Oh, yeah. I knew, I kind like, okay, great. I can create this stuff out of paper and have this fabulous. And the teamwork with Katya was terrific.

And so I threw in Joan Rivers because I was like, you better throw something in to show people. And I thought that that was kind of headed in the right direction. And then, you know, elimination station happened.

And honestly, when I was lip syncing, I thought, oh, I won this.

Hmm. Not so much. Coming back...

Yeah. There's always time for a meeting. She does activism with like drag queens reading to children. She does this series where she reads dad jokes in drag in succession. So she has a bunch of slips of paper and they're all like laffy taffy jokes.

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It's not good.

No, I'm gonna, and I'm gonna fly by this because it doesn't deserve a lot of airtime. It really doesn't. So there's three tones and three points of view to these scripts. Merle Ginsberg, who was a judge on seasons one and two, was replaced by Michelle Visage on season three, I believe. And so they do this whole, they bring her back and they create this storyline of what happened to her

from the perspective of Rue, the perspective of Merle, the perspective of Michelle. And we have three groups doing that.

It sucks. But what's groups doing that. Um, it's, it sucks.

Merle's tone is straightforward.

Michelle's the villain.

To be honest, the flashback elements are the only really funny parts of this. The girls are doing voiceover and then they're doing crazy shit. The security camera footage. I was like a human poker table.

That was fucking funny. How did you do that?

But then Bame copied me.

She did?

Yeah, she did a backbend too. What? I think maybe she didn't copy me, but she did it too, but it wasn't as funny as me. You're like, oh no, I copied her. Sorry. I think I actually could have been the case. Or maybe it was written in. No, it wasn't. It wasn't. It wasn't. This was very, very, very bad. And you know, because it had to by jello wrestling. By boobs coming out in jello wrestling was the only way to save this turkey. And I have a vivid memory of Pearl telling me that,

you know, the air that's frozen in there. Yeah. And you're covered in jelly. Pearl said her teeth were chattering.

Yeah.

Like, you're cold. It was not good. It was, I was so forgettably bad and, no, no, but completely forgettable. Ginger was so funny, so funny. She was even funnier. They cut out some stuff and Kennedy was fine.

She wasn't that great, but we had a great time doing it. We knew we were not going home. All of our runways were terrible. Oh, is this Britney at 45? Is this Britney at 45? We had the toy section and then she, and then, yeah. No, no, no, that was a Sinatrc game.

Okay. This was Death Becomes Her.

How did you die again?

Oh, God. Shark on the foot. It was so, so poop. These were so bad.

The vampire, Candy, love Candy.

Okay, we're gonna go down on the list, but first let me say this about the Rue Hollywood stories. Nobody understood that it was theater of the absurd from Rue's point of view. Because they were non sequiturs. They were absurd non sequitur lines. Like, here's a muffin from Mars. I love a strong female. Like, it didn't make any sense on purpose. But so they never got that. And it didn't...

They didn't get that.

They didn't get that. And even if they did, it wouldn't have worked. Again, like Shakespeare, terrible fucking writing. Just, I would say anybody competing, act really big. Huge. And let them tell you what to pull back. Let them tell you to turn it down. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Make strong choices.

Huge, big.

Because they'll tell you what doesn't work. Yeah. So Max was terrible. Max was terrible. Max was terrible. Max was terrible. That whole group sucked. Fame was terrible. Fame was awful. And because fame got saddled,

she's the worst person to get saddled with. It's theater of the absurd. I kind of liked Ginger as like- No, Ginger was amazing. She should have won. But what she did with Michelle was- Tony Soprano. Was not even Michelle. She made a strong choice. That totally was great. She made her an ultra villain from Sopranos.

Yeah, I think I liked Kennedy. Was Kennedy RuPaul? She was fine. She was fine, yeah. I liked Pearl as, I mean, I like all these Michelle Visage costumes.

And they're all doing like 2012's Michelle. Well, we were given the costumes. Yeah. Yeah, Viola was not great. What did you think of your little Merle Ginsberg? How'd you feel in that pussy little wig? I felt like an old maiden type of shit bag. I felt so...

The beret with like a scarf? My brown bob. My thin brown bob.

And also...

Do you look like you work at a library?

Not even. Like, I'm look, it's... It looks like you use the computers at the library. Yeah, it was bad. It looks like I'm like voting against gay rights.

For sure.

You know what I mean?

She, um...

Which is what Merle does.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. So, it was, and also no offense to Merle, but she was a very fucking milquetoast, lukewarm guest judge anyway. very Sally simple. Just like, bleh. I was like, bleh. Because Michelle is written as like, this whore who's stealing her job.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

So I get a note to like, Ross is like, really, really, go, go there. And so I, this is my opinion, because Ginger's won so many challenges, and they wanna throw me a bone, they throw me a bone.

I did not deserve to win that challenge. And it's just an objective fact. Yeah.

So, and-

Ginger should have won. Ginger should have won. I mean, I think maybe because her runway was so- It wasn't bad, but it was- Yes, it was. It was, okay, it was really bad.

But they're- Yeah, it was so bad. And mine was just dumb. I like, um, donated it to Kennedy. Oh, so Kennedy, so here's what I think they decided to do. They gave it to me because they couldn't, they had to dismiss Kennedy. It was crazy. They had to get rid of her. There was no way she could, there was no justification for that outfit.

I even, that outfit was broken. I sewed a new zipper onto it because the zipper was broken. And while I'm doing that, this is before the run, I was like, girl, what is this? Like, what is this outfit? This is the thing too. Obviously, she didn't have it made for Drag Race. But the question is,

then what was it for?

It's so iconic.

It's giving Thanksgiving. It's giving chicken drumstick. It's giving hand turkey. It's so wild. And the blood coming out of the boob. Stones all over the face.

All over the face. And also the bizarrely horrendous, like abusive storyline. Well, I was out there hooking and a trick had gutted me and then threw me in a dumpster, but I didn't die, I survived.

I was crystallized. Very strange. I love the mythology of it though. The three of us then are dismissed. Everybody else is on the chopping block. And we had such a great time in Untucked.

It was so, so, so fun. It was the first time actually we got to let our hair down. And the three of us who had the fucking kiki of all kiki. It was so fun and untucked. But I didn't deserve to win that challenge at all. Ginger should have won it. But I just, like again, I think they just,

they needed to just- At least your outfit showed that you died.

Yeah.

Like Kennedy's was not a death. No, it was not. And Gingers was so bad. Yeah, it was terrible. So then let's go down the list. Fame, stunning. If she was just model, enough with the mugging and the hands and stuff. If she had just pussy walked like Karen Mulder down the runway.

Yeah.

That makeup. I wish I would have got to do this runway. This is one of the only ones I think would have been 10 years later okay. What did you do? It was a little dress that looked like a hair cutting cape.

Oh, you were electrocuted.

Yes, and I had a hair dryer that shot smoke. And then one side of my wig was completely black and blown this way. That's awesome. And it wasn't that great, but it was certainly better than some of the other garbage I had. Yeah. Candy Ho, unforgivable.

You're a vampire? I know. Like, ugh. And then, um, uh, I hated Pearls. I'm sorry. Plastic surgery? I liked it. What about that said death? She died on the table. On the table? Plastic surgery death.

Died on the table with bandages? I don't know. It doesn't make any sense. Oh, yeah, I guess it doesn't, but I love the makeup. She died of sepsis two weeks later? I like the makeup, I like the hair slick back. I don't like it. I like the bandage around the middle. I like that. I thought she was so cool. I just thought she was capable, and I know she was capable of something so much cooler.

Violet's... Max's was cool. Yeah, and people didn't ever get that the first time she walked, it bled. It bled cunty. It was very, very cunty. And she looks amazing. Max, we'll probably never watch Drag Race again.

She looks so fucking good on season seven of Drag Race. It's crazy. All of us look... Max looks like timeless, beautiful. Cunty. And then, uh, Violet, of course. So, what did she die of?

Oh, asphyxiation. Asphyxiation? From too much corsetry. Which she did have a moment, actually. I don't know if people know that, that between runway walks,

she started to get like, and had to like, take a moment. It was 18 inches, wasn't it? It was really intense, and she was very in pain. It looks great. It looks cool. Yeah, it looks cool. Oh, she's like painted herself kind of bluish.

Yeah. I don't know if today you could use an oxygen tank on Drag Race. Is it ableist? I don't know. But she also had the thingy. It's like, well, you know what I mean? I thought it was cool, but it literally made no sense. It did make sense. I did like it, though.

No, no, no. I mean, it was legendary, but again, it just didn't make any sense. It's really cool. Jaden is... Jaden's so bad. Ariana Grande's the guest judge.

Yeah.

Which is very cool. And she was, it was a big hubbub. Like it was a big hubbub. Like it was a big deal.

Yeah.

She was a huge star. And I think she had a huge entourage. But she fell off now. Yeah. She's a nobody.

She's a nobody.

Yeah.

Yeah.

I Frank, it's all about Frankie.

Of course.

Um, who else? Free as the lip sync, great song. Yeah, which I was hoping to lip sync to because then I could wrestle with the shark.

Oh.

Right?

You were hoping to be in the bottom,

just to wrestle the shark. I was like, I knew I had a point of view

during the lip sync.

I, I.

This is when I famously said, it was a long battle with leukemia, but at least I was surrounded by friends and family. Explain that. It was a non sequitur about my death. Who did you say this to? RuPaul. So what did RuPaul ask you that you said that?

She said, do you have anything to say?

And you said?

It was a long battle with leukemia, but at least I was surrounded by friends and family.

And did anyone laugh?

Not one. And not even a chuckle, not even a snicker. It was... RuPaul just said, thank you. She said, thank you, Katya. It was like, it was unbelievable. I thought it was hysterical.

It's hilarious. It's hilarious. I mean, I obviously died of a shark attack. Right. But it's so funny to me. That's so funny. I guess it just... Do you know what that reminds me of?

Have you ever seen Not Another Teen Movie? No. There's this part where this girl, Janie, is painting, and she's like, it's my mom. And they cut to the painting, and it's a stick figure. Yeah. And then the guy goes, she goes, oh, my mom died. She was driving fast, the roads were wet.

And he goes, oh, my God, Janie, a car accident. She goes, I love that. I wish they would have aired it. I know, it was so bizarre though. Very normcore gay people would have been in a gay bar and been like, yes, yes.

And then you would have said that and they would have been like.

They would have been like, yeah.

Is he okay?

I know three people who I admired that would have laughed at it. That's why I told it. I would have laughed at it. Okay, so then that's it. And then Candy and... Shout out to Candy. Great lip syncer.

Fabulous.

Beautiful. Assassin.

Let's hear from Candy.

Let's hear from Candy.

Candy Marie Ho.

Yeah. Time at that time when I had to lip sync for the third time, I was like, literally over it. I was, I was done. I was so exhausted mentally, like, at the at that time, I didn't know what was going wrong. Like, why was I doing so bad, but and that really drained me that really drained me and just having to be with all these amazing drag queens with these big personalities. And I'm over here just being this showgirl and entertainer

and performer, but I didn't know I was missing so many other important things that make a drag queen. So, yeah, by that time, when I had to do Break Free, I was like, I was ready. I was like, okay.

I can imagine. Great song to go out on. Oh yeah, fabulous.

Because this song was everything.

It was a fierce song.

When they told us Ariana Grande was gonna be there, that was even more of a like, okay, I gotta slay this song. I remember like they gave us that song maybe like two days before the lip sync to learn. We really didn't any, we hadn't heard the song because it was, it was new. And I remember just being in my hotel room just listening to the song over and over and over and over and dancing in my hotel room. I was like, ah, I got to slay.

I got to do this. But I don't know. For some weird reason, I always felt like, okay, I'm on the bottom, but this is my moment. I was always feeling myself so much when I was about to be eliminated, right? But for me, it was a great moment that I was, um... T. That's good. About to be eliminated, right? But for me, it was a great moment that I was showing my talent.

I mean, like, especially because her str... She got to show her forte three times. That's the thing. When you're a good fucking lip syncer, it's a huge gift to be able to lip sync. Because club owners are gonna hire you to do just that.

They're watching. And because sometimes, you know, they're not hiring Fame to do that.

Yeah.

You know, they're hiring her to do something else. But sometimes they did. No, sometimes they did, but they're hiring her to do something else.

Right.

You know, um, so that, so great, blah, blah, moving on. Um, Snatch Game, this was a really hard episode for me to watch so not cringy, it's just like, oh God, like, ugh. Being like vulnerable. But this is when I told Rue. This is the addicted to anxiety conversation. And also this is when I said, I have to confess something to you.

I'm terrified of you. Then this is where we had that moment. That didn't make the cut. But that's what kickstarted the anxiety thing. And then we got into a big long conversation because at this time I was like, I really need to go to a meeting.

Cause I hadn't, I hadn't, I had been going to meetings five days a week for about two years. Well, I watched this episode and did some Googling about meetings and the internet says that if it's you and one other addict, it counts as a meeting.

Do you feel that way?

No, not when there's cameras.

Right.

Right. It was a tough thing for me to do because I was like, okay, I know this is fake, but I know I need this. So is it even possible to be authentic? And it actually kind of was.

Mary, you don't know. I don't know why you wouldn't cry like that in front of me. Because when you pork me, it feels so good. Do I have to wear the fake eyebrows like Fame

to get you to open up a little bit?

I mean, I was like, cause it, but I got over the inauthentic part of it pretty quickly because I actually felt that way. But it's just a weird thing. I'm not really comfortable with that on reality TV. It's not my gig. I get it.

You know, I get it because you're there. There's a discussion coming up, I think, in this season about my boyfriend's family not liking drag. And that I feel like there's some things looking back or like I didn't have to say all that. I wish yeah I wish this conversation never happened. Although I know for a fact because I have all the fucking messages that it people say all even now they say like I your conversation with Miss Fame to you know so it was very

impactful for a lot of people. I do not in any way, shape, or form, I've never wanted, I don't want, and I will never want to be a spokesperson for sobriety, obviously. But it did help people. Right, because you're also almost, I don't know,

I would perceive that you are taking something that's a personal journey that we all know has ups and downs, and you're inviting the world to be critical of upholding you to that. You're inviting the world to microscopically. To participate in your sobriety in a way. To monitor it. Right. Evaluate it, whatever. And so like me and

Kasia are very, very different experiences of this. Her going public about it has been very helpful for her. Sure. And has, I think that provides a layer of accountability. Me, not at all. In fact, it actually makes me, I don't think it makes me, it makes it worse, but it makes me lie more. To be honest, I've seen people know that you're an addict and then come up to you and ask you if you want drugs.

Girl, I was in Texas. I was in Texas. I was offered cocaine three times by the same person. Love it. And I was like, okay, people they don't remember what they're saying and they talk a lot. It's so fucking crazy. So, but then we do, I, somebody say something about cocaine, no some lows. Yeah. Um, everybody

is garbage except Kennedy. Yep. No, no pearl. Oh, so here's my, here's my, this is my, this is my top bottom safe. Okay. Ready? Uh, top pearl Kennedy for sure. Okay. Pearl Kennedy top for sure. Safe ginger, um, me ginger me. Um, violet. Okay. Bottom J Me, Ginger, me, Violet. Love it.

Okay, bottom.

Jaden.

Max.

Max.

Fame.

Yeah.

Story closed, case closed, that's the truth. Agreed. Pearl was fucking amazing. She was so-

She pulled that out of nowhere.

I'm very excited! A medical mystery, everything was great. The makeup, she looks like a different person. She looked nuts. Exactly what you want in Snatch Game. I'm very excited. The makeup dialed it up to like, madam.

She was like doing that level. She literally came out of her shell. She was amazing. Like, that was so fucking funny. It was hard to believe that was Pearl doing that. As you realize how many times I do this in my head since for the last 10 years.

I'm very excited.

And the little dog.

It was so cunty.

I've never even seen that show. Me neither. And I was like. Didn't matter. That's the whole success. You know that the success of your character depends on having no knowledge of that character is it funny. Yeah. funny. She was hysterical. I didn't think Adele was that funny. No shade to Ginger. It was just fat jokes. Adele was fine. We're not doing fat jokes. We're not doing fat jokes.

It's fine. Yeah, it's fine. Kennedy. The way she took him, first of all, did a man. Huge risk. And I watched the Little Richard documentary a couple months ago. Little Richard did drag for years. Little Richard performed with drag queens. Little Richard wore makeup and wigs. It was like Liberace. Yes. And so at the time, it was like, wow, you're doing a man. But now I'm like, not really. No, no, no. It's like doing Boy George. It's like doing, you know, whatever. David Bowie. Like Kiss. You know what I mean? That kind of thing.

It'd be like doing Timothee Chalamet. Yeah. It'd be doing like Josh Brolin. Rosie, Rosie. But she was so, I mean, she was funnier.

Kennedy was unbelievable.

And she was so, she was much wittier than she had previously been. We knew she was funny, but she was quick and witty and fabulous.

There's a part where I wrote, one of my notes says, Pearl's transcendent. Shut up.

Pearl's transcendent. Shut up! Pearl's transcendent. I don't like when people do other drag queens.

In general.

No, but it was-

Don't do Alaska, don't do RuPaul, don't do drag queens. Don't do LaGanja, don't, but she, it would have been better than Donatella. Thank God we didn't have dueling boring Donatellas. Well, I wrote that Donatella's hard, but I love Donatella me,

that was your best Snatch Game impersonation.

Donatella me, that was your best celebrity impersonation.

I howled.

It ate.

I howled.

It's amazing. I howled on the main stage. That was so funny. So there was some weird production stuff going on. I was not funny. I really did not kill, and Tamar did not think I was hilarical.

So there was some weird things going on there.

Right. Tamar, the girl, every time she throws her head back and laughs,

her nose looks like a fucking light switch. Also, like, she, like, no shade to her, she is on another planet. I don't know what she's on, or not drugs, but like she's just not on the same wavelength. It was very weird. She's one of us though, for sure.

Is she?

I think she's dragoon. Oh yeah, she's a dragoon. She's a dragoon. Yeah, I guess so. She's dragoon. I wrote down this, I wrote Kennedy's life changing.

There's a part where RuPaul asks her a question and she says, well Ru shut up was so funny. What an idiot. It was so fucking funny. How did she think of that? And how was she so sure it was going to be so good? I don't think she was. I mean, I think she was legitimately...

She was incredible. And she really, really, really... It was just like, everyone needs a tight screw.

Shut up!

It's amazing.

It was the perfect, like she, it was, she unintentionally followed the formula. Catchphrase, zippy. Like have a repeat one thing three times. You know what I mean? Like it was the shut up.

And she was doing a very, even more heightened version

of it, which is the key.

Yeah.

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

You're not all that. I hate when the queens are like, I'm going to do the most unclockable illusion. It's not that at all. And obviously I'm a master of snatch game. So you can ask me any time. You got to do something.

You got to, if the, if the person has a personality, that's a seven out of 10, you got to go 14. Right. So leather and lace runway. This is to me by one of the very, the weakest runways out of all the girls. Oh yeah. Oh, I've had one option really. I was going to do Lana Del Rey.

That would have tanked. I was really into that album, Born to Die.

Yeah.

And my-

I did that for my-

Audition?

Audition tape.

Okay, yeah.

I had a white button up shirt, a brown wig with flowers in the hair.

Oof, baby.

That would have been awful. That would have been horrible.

I have never been able to do an impersonation of anyone.

I don't have any good impersonations.

I mean, I was going to do Svetlana Horkina, but that just doesn't, I don't, I don't, I just don't think Russian accents are funny. I disagree. I mean they are but like you have to like from my point of view I'm like I don't know I just it's low energy like it's like like you know Russian people talk like this it's really low and I don't know it's just like. Fame did it or no fame plane did it. I don't think that was funny. Oh isn't that artist Ukrainian as well?

Serbian but it was Slavic. It was Slavic. I thought that worked. I don't think that was funny. Oh, isn't that artist Ukrainian as well? Serbian, but it was Slavic. It was Slavic. I thought that worked. I don't know. I was going to go along with it. I'm sure it also would have been bad. I don't have an impersonation. Mama, we got to talk about Max's Sharon.

Oh no. When did the hurt begin?

And you know what? In the horrible thing and people got to realize that position, the worst. Did it. You know that. Did it dress as Raymond. You're the first one. Did it dress as Raymond. You're the first one. You have the girl, Ginger had about four hours to come up with her.

And by the time, if you're last, you can just make jokes about other people's answers.

Hello.

And then you, and you quickly realize you don't even have to answer the question. You don't. You just have to make her laugh. Doesn't matter. You don't have to follow any rules. Just be funny.

Yeah.

You don't have to look like the person. You don't have to sound like them. You just have to be a fucking idiot. I mean, look at Bob doing Carol Channing.

Yeah.

She doesn't look like Carol Channing. No. God, Max was so tough. And I think I was... Looked like Sharon. The... See, that's what happens with people. They get caught up in the look.

Yeah, they look...

She looked exactly like her. She kind of sounded like her, but there was none of the... the Alvaroid punny... funniness.

Sharon...

Yeah, because, I mean, Drag Race Sharon...

I read it.

...is very witty. what she would have answered to those questions. And it's not that funny. Max sent us a voice note and she does touch on Snatch Game. So let's skip around a little bit.

Okay, okay.

I'm pretty sure I just like blacked out through the whole thing. And I was up in that very first corner where I had absolutely no time to...

Terrifying.

To think or change my little quips and my improvisations. So that was definitely a hard, hard, hard thing and the whole fricking episode where I got eliminated and had to sit down on stage because I couldn't breathe and all of that. Not a fun time.

I was mostly just thinking, oh God,

and I'm gonna disappoint people at home. I was mostly just thinking, oh, God. I had a lot of questions about that.

I'm gonna disappoint people at home. I'm gonna get broken up with.

It was a lot.

BOWEN Oh, my God.

Okay, Jesus Christ.

We have to, can we just do a little bit of a... The thing is, you and I are here watching season seven. Honestly, I'm gonna tell you something. very little time thinking about how good you and I are. I spend a lot of time thinking about how good all these other people are. People like Max should not have anything to be ashamed of

about what they did on Drag Race.

I'm invisible on this season. It's what I did after the show.

I worked in catering.

Yeah, yeah. I know.

I mean, this was like, I was telling people, you want to go 10-1? Girl! She has so much to be proud of. She's still one of the most, still unique. Girl, go watch like a YouTube Max runway compilation. Show me another drag queen who gives the same essence. There still hasn't been one.

So that is such a feat to be proud of. She did good in Glamzor and Airways. Everything she made was cool. Fabulous in Shakespeare. Shakespeare, she was one of the only good parts of it. Max, you were great.

Her entrance look was incredible. Max is from Wisconsin. I'm from Wisconsin. Max and I went to college together. And it's never addressed on the show. Max and I went to musicals. You both went to Oxford?

Beauty school. We both went to Paul Mitchell off the freeway. We went to Paul Mitchell off the freeway. Um, we went to, we went to school together. We did two musicals together. We went to ballet together and we both did drag, but never really around each other. He was under 21. Oh my God. I was 21 working in clubs and I, so when I showed up in drag race and he was there, it was so freaky. I couldn't believe it. And also he's talking in weird. That was the other thing too. Yeah. Yeah. My accident from Wisconsin is a little different than his.

Bagel. Different areas.

Yeah.

Fragrance and bagel.

I do Drake. Yeah. But Max, you are absolutely incredible. It's crazy. One of a kind. One of a kind.

Well, can we skip ahead? off. Uh, Tamar says that you look like Brittany at 45, which honestly, now that we're seeing Brittany at 45, I'll take it. Yeah. I mean, and by the way, the, the Brittany people would be like at 85, 105 still eats, you know, Brittany fans, Delulu, take it. Okay. Um, I also just had some quick critiques, uh, um, your runway look. I don't want to talk about it. I mean, there's nothing to talk about. It sucks. I mean, it's okay. Shut up.

It sucks.

And it's okay.

I made it.

It sucks. Let's move on. Okay, I made it. It sucks. Let's move on. But I did make it.

My main takeaway of this is... That I have no taste? No, no, no. My main takeaway of this is that if it was a double win, it should have been Pearl and Kennedy. Sorry, Ginger. Love Ginger. She did great. Oh, a hundred percent. It was baffling. I mean, it was not baffling. That's no offense to Ginger.

No, Ginger, she was great. Pearl was really great. Pearl was overlooked. And I think that they sent Pearl, I don't know what the rationale is. I don't know what they were... Because it would have been a great moment to have her come out of her shawl then. Yeah. I loved her runway.

It's a pink leather lace with the waves in the hair. This is my... Pearl. It's pink. This is my favorite ginger runway.

The white leather.

She looked fabulous. I think maybe that has something to do with it. She was, it was her best look. She looked really good. She looked great. Can't Lace is cool and different than everyone else's. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And it was a nice, cool, like, Christian rocker shit kind of thing.

Yeah.

I, I didn't like Fame's look. I didn't either. The corset over a dress thing, bring a book. It wasn't good. that you have a plastic wig on. I had, mama, get into this. You're not going to believe all this.

What is it?

Remember that Despy wig? I stacked another one on top of it. You said, oh, the girls aren't ready. Well, I have one, we were going to have two twice the price. Well, they did give you a critique that it was too flat. Yes, so maybe you would put another one on top. Two wrongs don't make a right. Oh, okay. I safety pinned it, didn't tease it.

You said, I will not give you a C cup, but I will give you two A cups. What about that? I wrote that Jaden Dior Fierce is so pretty. Yeah. I wrote that Max's look is basic for Max.

Yeah.

The spider look.

Oh, I hated it. the red contacts. Yeah. Um, and then Ginger was great. I can't believe Pearl didn't get the win with Kennedy or just Kennedy. It should have been just Kennedy. Yeah. Yeah. It should have been just Kennedy. Pearl had a great runway and a great big end. So I don't know. Oh, Violet, lovely. That's an M.

Mama, no leather, no lace. Oh, it was vinyl. That was vinyl. But I love the bondage. I love the right. I mean, it was literally that John Willie pin up like it was a picture perfect rep. I mean, she really for 21 had so many references. It's crazy. Crazy. She looked fabulous. Fabulous. Her competence with present a presentating on the runway was presentating higher than all of ours. Yeah. Her comfortability with present a presentating. She was be presentating. She was, it was, I mean, again, she's just like for, again, no Google, no nothing. She

had these fully realized looks with clear, uh, points of view. She was really especially good. And good presentation. It wasn't just a look that she had a good presentation. Now I have to like record scratch everything and ask you because I was not there. What happened with Max? Okay, so...

In your memory. In my memory, it was cringe. So... She said something was going on with her corset, where she became uncomfortable. I... Okay, I maybe... I'm gonna try to not just make things...

Ugh. It was not good for her. It was not a good look for her. She... It was kind of like wasting time. Like she needed to take a break. Like, okay, that's fine. She, I guess she was maybe feeling something really uncomfortable with her corset. And I guess she, she, um, took a little break. She took a moment, but then she started singing and it was like, she was taking off her corset, and all of a sudden you guys heard... No, no, no. I always pop y'all pussy like this.

Yeah.

No, and I think Ru made a joke or Ru was taught... There was some kind of prompt about Judy Gar...

I don't know.

Okay, Max told me, I think I remember Max saying, that RuPaul said, while you're down there, why don't you sing a few bars. Yeah, yeah, yeah. As a joke. And then Max did, I think, as kind of a joke. But that didn't play that way on TV. No, and also it was like, like, um... Just, it made her look unhinged.

I think that the, I think that the subtext of that comment was, hey, why don't you take all the time you need down there? It's not like we're just filming something. Oh. That was the vibe. Because she was like, -"Mary, we're filming a show here." -"Don't make me sing." And they throw a cape, or they throw a cane and a top hat. It was like...

Because we're standing in five-inch heels, uncomfortable, waiting. Critiques. Critiques, yeah. It was inconsiderate, and it was a little self-indulgent, but I don't think that it was intentionally. No. No, of course not. But it just looked nerve. Yes.

It was nerve to be vague. And honestly, this is not any weird thing to any editor. That's a weird way to edit

that.

I know. It's a weird way to edit that. And you have to know that you're making someone look like they've cracked. To be honest, I have had moments, not exactly like that, that have been completely edited out.

Right.

And we'll do again.

Yeah. No, but I mean, I've had humiliating moments. I dropped the fan in Reggie Rochu on the second take. In All Stars. David could have included that and maybe put me in the bottom or whatever. In All Stars 3, I had to pie someone in the face and I, the first time I dropped it.

There you go. And I remember dropping it and thinking, I'm gonna lose. Yeah, exactly. Like, I mean, I've said really bad, you know, whatever. Like, there's a lot of choices that the editors have to do, and they make their choices and whatever. But, um, it was not a good look for her, I think.

Yeah. But honestly, as far as runway looks, if this is your week one, Max really is gorgina. And polished, but the point of view at that age is truly spectacular. She was about Violet's age, like 22, 21. Mama, I was 32 with that wig.

Love it.

Both, no, both wigs.

Both of them.

There was two.

So the lip sync starts, it's Jaden Dior fierce, our sister who lands in the bottom, against Max. This is Jaden's third time lip syncing. This is like, uh... No, second time lip syncing. This is like, uh... How would I describe the imbalance of power here?

Jason Kelsey turning to Taylor and saying, go long. I don't understand any of that. Jason Kelsey? Oh, okay. So it's Travis Kelsey, the football player, turning to his girlfriend, Taylor Swift, and saying, go along.

Yes, yes, yes. And she's like, yeah. And Taylor, you know, she has the guitar on, the sequins. She just, she jumps down in the stage. Right. She's like, I don not the song for Max. Um, and Jaden's a prof Jaden was a play Nashville girl. Yes. They do what? Eight numbers a night, five days a week. Sweetie baby. Darla Jaden is a great lip syncer. And that song, um,

you say I love me. You love me, but I want you to know sister tune. Yes. It was a sister tune. Yes. It was a sister tune. I wouldn't pick it for Max in the clubs. Not for that tall gangly white man. For Max, I would pick from The Shining.

Midnight and the stars and you.

I wouldn't pick that. Or even, batter up, hear that call, the time has come. Or like a Gaga ballad, I I don't know. Yeah. And Jaden like... You'll be grand.

You'll be great. Gonna have the whole world on my plate.

Yep.

Totally.

Totally. We gotta go.

We gotta go. Okay.

But shout out to... Shout out to Max. Jaden lives another day. Yes. And Max, honestly, for seven episodes. Great run. This is her first time in the bottom. You got nothing to be ashamed of, boo. Of course, the episode ends with the bomb

that Rue's bringing someone back. I'm like, motherfucker. I had no idea who it was gonna be. All I know is that that means that it's going back in time. You have to understand from a competitor point of view, you realize you're now gonna stay an extra day.

Because when Morgan came back on All Stars, I remember being on receiving end of that, and being like, now we're staying another day? Yeah, no shit. And I was like, okay, so now I'm definitely number whatever. Now that could be, you know, I mean,

it's like you don't necessarily advance. And you didn't know that I was behind that curtain holding in a big mess of diarrhea ready to squirt. And you didn't know that I was back there. They had me in one of those- Double fisting dirty diapers. Yeah, they had me in one of those beauty pageant isolation headphones

because I couldn't hear you guys, but I had big potty and it was wet. And I was standing back there clenched, just waiting to walk out on that runway Just blow in. Bye. just waiting to walk out on that runway Just blow in. Bye.

Blow it in there.