Rupert Lowe asked: Is King Charles a white Briton? | BBC Radio 4 Today

Is King Charles a white Britain?

Restore Britain's membership is growing very fast, and your listeners are dropping equally fast.

Let's start with that title, Restore Britain.What does it mean?

It means restoring Britain to something more akin to that which it used to be, which was a very prosperous country with very low national debt.Everyone understood who we were, what we were.and how our society and our sort of country worked.And I think that has changed dramatically over the last, well, really since Tony Blair.And, you know, I think the British people can see and feel their country slipping away from them.And we need to start to, I think, adopt a more sensible, logical route to rebuilding our national wealth and to rebuilding our society.

He said in a recent tweet, I'm not going to sit back and watch Britain become an Islamic country.What is the evidence that, in your words, we are, quote, hurtling towards being an Islamic country?

Let me ask you, Nick, have you read our 219 -page rape gang inquiry report, which we did?I don't think the BBC has covered it at all.

Well, it's covered the rape gangs, but let me ask you to answer the question.

Hang on, have you read that report?

I haven't read the whole report, no, but what's the evidence for your claim?Why not, Nick?

That is a very important part of what we're talking about today.

Let's come to that.

What we're seeing is the gradual Islamification of Britain, What's the evidence for that?Or the silent jihad, if you like.And people like the BBC, our national monopoly, which, as you know, I would defund responsibly very quickly should I acquire power.The point is, you have been complicit in watching this gradual spread of the Islamicisation of Britain.which basically is changing the nature of everything, with them allowed to pursue a parallel system of Sharia courts.

What I asked you for was the evidence, the evidence that we're hurtling towards being an Islamic country.

didn't cover it once.

What's the evidence for the fact that we're...

You're supposed to inform, educate and entertain with complete impartiality.We are not doing that.

Look, just briefly, Mr Lokers, you've raised it a couple of times, but I want us to have an interesting exchange of views.

You asked me the question, Nick.

No, and I'll briefly give you an answer, which is we covered rape gangs in detail.We covered the National Inquiry.You're talking about us covering your individual report.Let me ask you again, because I'm asking about your words.So forgive me, I'm not trying to be clever.I'm just trying to ask you to explain your words.

You're always trying to be clever on this programme.I listen to you sometimes.

I'm given up listening that much.Let me try one more time.One more time.What is the evidence that Britain, in your words, is hurtling towards becoming an Islamic country?

It's quite plain for everybody to see when you see very large parts of the country who are running a parallel system.And you are seeing as a result of that, as I said to you just now, the manifestation of Pakistani Muslim rape gangs.Most of these people are Pakistani Muslims, most of them from one part of Pakistan, Mirpur.And if you had the intellectual appetite to actually read the report, I don't think you'd even need to ask me this question.

Well, the reason I ask you the question is this, because you quote, and have often quoted, What you say is a prediction that white Britons will be a minority in 2063.Are you aware that by the definitions used in that particular report, King Charles is not a white Briton?Do you think he is a white Briton?

Many people have different interpretations of that, Nick.I mean, we can split hairs, but I think...

We're not splitting hairs.Do you think the moniker of this country is a White Briton?

The spirit of what we're talking about is quite clear, and I think most British people, if you speak to them, would agree, and that is why...

Is King Charles a White Briton?

...Restore Britain's membership is growing very fast, and your listeners are dropping equally fast, because you don't reflect actually what's happening in Britain.You try and whitewash all of the things that are happening.You peddle climate change, you peddle DEI, you peddle all of the malign agenda, which British people have got bored of.

So you're opening yourself up.I'm not ignoring any questions.

It is a fact that by 2063, White British people will be a minority on current trends.I don't think anyone disputes that.

What I was putting to you is that the basis of that forecast, which is widely disputed and based on a whole series of assumptions that none of us know whether they'll be true or not, is that you're only called a white Britain if both of your parents were born in this country.So because Prince Philip was born in Greece, King Charles is not, under your definition, treated as a white Britain.Britain.Now, let me go on and ask you a different question.In the recent election, the by -election...

Well, I did come on to speak about ostensibly the economic paper we've just put out and about the issue with Nigel Farage and you've...

No, I'm going to come to Nigel Farage.

You've managed to turn it into a discussion about British people becoming minority white British people by 2063.

So look, please move on to another question.I thought it was a courtesy to you because it's something you care passionately about.

Please move on.Let's get on to something more constructive.

Well, you referred in a recent tweet to British areas in Manchester and you compared themwith more Muslim areas.Are you saying that Muslims in Manchester are not British?

I don't think a lot of the Muslims in Manchester are integrating into British culture.

Are they British?

And if you go to Karimah, where I was the other day while I was campaigning with Marlon West, who did extremely well in the mayoral election there, you see entire communities who basically are pursuing their own culture, their own religion and their own agenda.

Are they British?

Now, successful immigration involves accepting the faith and the structures that exist within the countries you go and settle in.And if you go and live in Saudi Arabia, you go and live in Dubai, you have to accept the prevailing culture there.Otherwise, you're not welcome.And I don't think anyone would disagree that large parts of Britain are becoming unrecognizable when it comes to the way they used to be, even 30, 40 or 50 years ago.

Well, all I've done, Mr Lowe, is ask you about things you've said and ask you to explain, but you want to talk about Nigel Farage, so let's move on to your own...

Well, that's what you wanted me to come on for, Nick, ostensibly, but, you know, that's what Kirsty asked me to come on and speak about.

Let's talk about that, then.In the past, you've accused Nigel Farage of being, and I quote, a viper who is leading a cult, a narcissist who thinks he's the messiah, and you said that he's totally unfit to lead the country.Are you surprised that he didn't take your offer of cooperation entirely seriously?

quite a good job promoting reform, asking lots of questions in Parliament.I think I'm one of the most active MPs in Parliament since I've been elected.And I'm now doing the same on the Public Accounts Committee, which holds the civil service, the extremely deficient, overstaffed, overpaid civil service to account.

But are you serious about co -operation?

People can watch that on Hansard.

Are you serious about co -operation was the question.

So look, Nigel decided with his acolytes that I was not part of his party so he kicked me out.And once I cleared my name, which was obviously going to happen because I am what I appear to be, an honest taxpaying person who owns businesses and I think has played my part in driving the economy, having worked in the city for 20 years and now running a number of private businesses which I control, I think I've played a big part in what reform did in Parliament until they kicked me out for some extraordinary reason.You have to ask them about that.

But just briefly if you will, because we're short of time, will you cooperate with it?

When I was asked to be on the Public Accounts Committee, the reason I set up restore as a movement to start with, was to unite.And I don't even call it right -wing thought.I call it common sense thought.What's happened is your monopoly, the national monopoly, the BBC, which has become malign in my view, has gone so far left that anyone who speaks common sense appears to be far right in your terms.Well, I'm not far right.I am a normal punter, okay?

And I want my country back.I don't want all of the piffle and the rubbish that you lot peddle.I want a country that works as a piece with itself and is founded upon the Christian principles which have served us extremely well for many thousands of years.

You're a man, aren't you, in reality, Mr Lowe?You're a man with money and a grudge and a social media account who airs hison X and gets hearing because you've got the back of Elon Musk.

I made an effort on Friday to reach out to Nigel Farage, genuinely, honestly and in good faith, to try and find a way, despite the fact that I think they treated me despicably badly and arguably illegally, But I have tried to put that behind us in order to unite common sense thought.Because there are many things we agree on, there are equally many things we don't agree on.So I put the red lines in there and I made a genuine effort.Now so far, I had one message from Nigel on Sunday morning at 10 .30 saying, we'll call later.Now, in his press conference, he said he was waiting for a call from me.Well, I think most people...

Forgive me a bit, we haven't got time for every detail of your relationship with Nigel Farage.I assumed he was canvassing with Count Binface in Clacton at the time in a by -election which he called.