Sachin, Ganguly vs Greg Chappell, Afridi से लड़ाई, Hardik, Rohit, Virat पर क्या बोले Irfan Pathan

Guests in the newsroom today are Kamal's swing bowler, Kamal's all-rounder Irfan Pathan. Welcome. I'm seeing you for the first time. You're quite tall.

I don't understand on TV.

But first, let's talk about the Karachi Test.

It's one of my favourite Irfan Pathan and Indian cricket memories. I'm coming back to the run-up. I've got everything in my head. That I've taken two wickets, I'm on a hat-trick. It didn't happen before, I don't know if it will happen now. I put in a gain.

The way you drop the ball, where the ball should fall, where it should fall and turn, exactly the same happened. I was thinking of bowling for LVW. Even Mohamed Yusuf didn't know that and he got bored. Did you give the ball to the one who was abusing you when you were leaving the ball? You can't give it to a senior.

It was the first match, not the last.

No Ashish Nehra.

Everyone has a different way to do it. See, that too... I know the clip of Ashu bhai too, but... Has there ever been a fight at the cricket ground and your brother came and slapped someone? Bhai had a fight. So, Bhai came running in anger. I saw his clothes torn in anger.

So, I ran and we both beat him up. It was a police case. We were saved.

You beat him up so badly?

Yes. You killed your brother? Yes And what was the fight about? I had a fight with my brother It doesn't matter In India and Pakistan, only one language is spoken So on 24th September 2007 You were in the Man of the Match final What kind of language is spoken there? You can speak there, meet me outside

There is no limitation there sir There was abuse You tell me, I'll beep somewhere I have a lot of been with Afridi a lot. Oh, your good friend Afridi. This clip is also very popular,

in which you're constantly outing Afridi. Back to back, that's the thing.

Yeah, 11 times.

It's a count, sir. Pakistanis think that they've taken the responsibility of all the Muslims of the world. Yeah, they're right. to I am not telling the truth. Our Hardik wants you to tell the truth. Irfan Pathan and Hardik Pandya are not on good terms. Why? There are 14 matches in IPL.

If I have to criticize 7 out of 14 matches, I have criticized 7 times very lightly. You have made mistakes 14 times. I have shown 7 times.

What is the rivalry?

There is no rivalry. What is the rivalry of Vadodara, Gujarat cricket lobby? All these players of Vadodara. Not a single player can say that Irfan Pathan and Yusuf Pathan didn't support them. In the initial days, when your elder brother decided to become a politician and choose a political party, did you have any discussion?

It happened in my house.

And when you got the offer?

I thought I wasn't ready. I came in 2014, I was playing. Who called you? Ahmed Bhai was still alive. He always used to say, Ahmed Patel, you fight. After that, I got a call from other parties.

Who called you from there? Vaya Vaya. So Congress and BJP both wanted Irfan Pathan to be elected? There were other parties too. What was Greg's culture before coming here? That no one would talk to the senior players.

Sachin, Sourav.

He was like, I will respect the senior player as much as I respect the junior player. That was his way. But because of that, he became a bit more aggressive. Did you ever have a heated exchange between him and the senior players in the dressing room?

You could tell from a distance that something was going on.

Between whom? Greg and?

Greg, Rahul Dravid, Saurav Ganguly. In the last matches, despite such a good performance, you were dropped. Are you not embarrassed or not told where you were lagging? I think I am not embarrassed. What do you think? Tell me.

Was Irrfan Pathan's collar caught in the Indian dressing room?

Who was this player, sir?

The one who thought he could bat better than me.

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There is a blue car under the tree of the bargat. There is a cycle of the father, who used to come to see the match in the middle of the prayer break and used to bring bananas with him. Because he was also worried about the nutrition of his children. There is a mischievous kid who will ride the cycle while going,

the younger one will sit comfortably and when it is his turn to return, he will look for reasons to avoid pedaling on the cycle. We have seen the most magnificent memory of all it so many times as a video clip. On 29th January 2006, there was a test match in Karachi. Salman Butt played the 4th over of the 1st over. Yunus played the 5th over and Yusuf Yohanna played the 6th over.

Their names were changed later. This was the first time when a person jersey wearer was white in the test. The Indian cricketer was taking a hat-trick in the first over. And this was the second time when a test cricketer was taking a hat-trick for India. There are so many such great achievements that are the names of our guests today. We will talk about the achievements he has made from the age of 19 to the age of 27.

The activities he is doing in the commentary box, the concern of saving the neighbors' TV and the concerns of enjoying the Sunday with the neighbors, His worries are very viral. He dances very well. After Afghanistan's victory, his dance was discussed all over the world. He is a great dancer, great kite flier, and the best swing bowler, and the best all-rounder, our guest today. He has made India proud for so many moments to be proud of.

But in this story, everything is not about the praise. There are many controversies. There is also a period of cricket when Greg Chappell, Greg Guru was there and not many were happy with him. But there were some people

who were successful in putting themselves in this new type of administration. There are some controversies in the commentary, and there are some other things as well. That's why today we will talk in detail in the guest in the newsroom. Welcome to you from Irfan Pathan, the player of every Indian football team.

Thank you very much.

Thank you very much.

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So, who is the current?

What then?

His potassium ions areaben gone. Toob ka karand TV. Do you keep listening to these comments? I get to hear two comments a lot. One is that you are very tall. So my answer is that your TV is small. Because when you watch it on a small TV, you don't realize it. And second is that you don't realize how your eyes are on TV. Luckily, my mother's eyes are light, so our eyes are light.

Yes, I just noticed that too. People notice that late. Yes, curly hair? Yes, my children's, not mine. My younger one, Salman, has curly hair. But you had curly hair before.

When the hair is short, straighten it. So baldness is less.

Nice, welcome. If you feel that the baldness is less, then straighten it. So that you don't look bald.

Nice. Welcome to the show. Thank you.

We will go back to our childhood. We will talk about the memories of DK sir and Penny sir. We will talk about the team selection, Under 15, Under 19. We will talk about the 9 wickets, One from Odisha, one from Bangladesh.

We will talk about Karachi Test first. It's one of my favourite Irfan Pathan and Indian cricket memories. Okay, Zahra bhai, it's not my favourite memory.

Okay.

You can listen to it anywhere, I don't talk about it much. I talk about the World Cup Final with great joy. Yes. I talk about it with great joy. In 2004, when we went there, a 19-year-old boy from Pakistan took out 3 wickets in the series decider.

I talk about it with great joy. Lahore's one day. Lahore's one day. I talk about it with great joy. We won in that. We won the World Cup final. And whenever, whether it was winning in Australia, winning the Puerh Test match, winning the Man of the Match there. See, what happens is that the contributions that we make,

we enjoy talking about them when we win the country. If we didn't win this Test match, I wouldn't talk about it. Unless someone talks about it. And I understand that when the fans send me their own clips,

I understand why they like it. There are more than 20,000 international runs in those three wickets. Yunus Khan, his best batsman in Test cricket, Ahmed Yusuf. He was his best batsman. And they were solid test batters.

Yes.

So the way he waved his wicket, that wave gives a lot of peace to the eyes. If we talk about the fans, that's why the fans like it a lot. You tell us for the happiness of the fans. What was the brief? Now transport us to Karachi for a while. Karachi's morning was cold, good pitch for bowling, condition was very good.

But two matches before that, he was beaten up badly. Everyone was beaten up. Be it the Pakistani ball player, or the one who scored 150 runs, Shoaib Akhtar, or the all-rounder, Abdul Razak, or any other ball player, or a spinner, Danish Kaneria,

or Zaheer Khan, or us, or Harbhajan Singh, everyone was beaten up. Was this the match in Multan was in 2004. Yes. Here, you know, before that you play two test matches.

Okay.

Pata wicket. They make 500 runs, we make 500 runs. Both the matches are drawn. Everyone's speed comes down. I don't know how that speedometer is working. So, everyone is under pressure.

The Indian players are under a little more pressure. Through the media. Because we are playing in their home, in Pakistan. Now there... We were also very disappointed. So everyone was thinking that the pitch is flat, the result is not coming. Everyone is not getting the result.

Even if you are playing at any speed. So all of us were very worried. We have to do something. Now the next test match is in Karachi. Third test match. Now on the first day, we got a gain. When I missed the first ball,

I thought, okay, it will be fun to gain here. Because the gain goes out a little. When it is missed, and it waves on the pitch, you feel it as a gain.

I thought I should try to swing more. I threw it out of the legstrim, there was not enough swing. Then the third ball. And when he put the fourth ball, he got the wicket. He put an edge.

You know, an easy catch.

Salman Butt.

Salman Butt. After that, I remember Yunus Khan. Yunus Khan has always troubled India a lot when he used to play. He used to make runs lot of mistakes in front of us. Now, I had the option to go for the next game, the first game. Mid-off, mid-on, there is no fielder in front.

Now, as a bowler, you have this one thing in your mind, risk. The risk and reward factor remains as a gainer. Especially the new gainer. The gainer has in his mind that you have to take risks. Because your responsibility is to take out the wicket. Especially the new ball-keeper's job is the same. To take risks so that he gets the reward.

And sometimes he gets hurt along with the risk. I put the ball forward. Thinking that even if Chauha comes here, it's okay. If the four-run ball-keeper hits, there is no issue. I got one wicket, but it's time to take the wicket. I left the ball with my hand and put it forward. The ball came forward and the ball came in.

It fell on the pad. I knew in the middle. As soon as I appealed, Simon Toffle was the umpire. He used to give LBW very well. He was the best LBW umpire of that time. He used to miss very less.

The one you are pointing at is another one. That is Billy Borden. That is cricket finger is New Zealand. This is Australian umpire. So, in the end swing, I knew that he will give out. Because he was in the middle. The ball was under the shin.

He got out. Now, when two wickets were scored in two games. I didn't know that I was going towards the world record. Because when you play, you don't know all the records. By the way, no one knows all the records. So I didn't know that there was never a hatrick in the first half.

Because you don't think, when you play cricket, you don't think that you have to make this record. You think that you have to do your job, you have to win the match for your team, and you have to play in front against Pakistan, Australia, the best team at that time. You have to perform well against them so that your team moves ahead from the other team.

So, you don't even know that the world record was set later. I thought that I have come on the hat-trick. Before this, I had come on the hat-trick twice in international cricket. When? One in front of Sri Lanka and one in front of Zimbabwe. I didn't get a hat-trick. Sri Lanka's team used to be strong.

In Sri Lanka, Sanath Jaisurya, Mahela Jaiwar, Sangha Kaura, they all used to play at their peak. I came in front of them on a hat-trick. But I didn't get a hat-trick. I didn't get a hat-trick in front of Zimbabwe. minutes. You finish one over in four minutes. Now, there is less time in between a ball. Now, the second wicket I took, I am coming back in the run-up. I have everything in my mind.

That I have taken two wickets, I am on hat-trick, it has not happened before, it will not happen now, I don't know. I had taken hat-trick twice before, under-15 in Isha Cup and under- World Cup plate championship. That was in front of Sri Lanka. First head trick was in front of Thailand. The kids who are under 15, so Thailand taught them new cricket. So, I never mentioned about that. Now, I am standing here, I saw Mohammad Yusuf in front of me, whom I had outed many times.

And I know that his front leg was a scissor. In cricketing, a scissor is used to cut the front leg and the back leg. The back leg and the front leg are cut in the same way as a scissor. So, he used to cut his front leg. Because of that, my ball used to come in difficultly. And he used to always get out. He was at a time when he scored 1,500 runs in a year.

He was a kind of a player. But when he came in front of me, the pain in his feet would come in front of me. When I saw him, I thought this is a great opportunity. Did the other players come to give you any advice? No, nothing. You are in your solitude.

Yes, everyone was happy. From the field, you can tell where the team is and what the situation is. The field was all at the top. There was a short leg, a field in front, a slip. The field was all there. The field at the first gain and the field at the head trick were different.

So there was no need to tell. Everyone knew. Even the team in front knew who was ahead. We were ahead. Now, the way I put the gain, the way you drop the ball from your hand, where the ball should fall, where it should fall and turn,

exactly the same happened. I had in mind that I will put the ball for LBW, because LBW used to get out. But the ball fell so much, fell on the pitch, even Mohammad Yusuf didn't know.

So, because of this, there was a big gap between the bat and the pad. And they got bold. So, that's how the hat trick happened. So, if you see the way the ball is fluttering, the way it is released from the hand, the way it is swinged,

I think every batsman has a dream to out a batsman like this. That was the same on that particular team wicket. Yeah, good batters, the strongest opponent, going to their home and shooting. And your expressions after that, you were a little disbeliever before.

What happened? I got a head trick.

Yes, yes. And it's not like what I want to do, Unis Khan doesn't know.

Do you know? Yes.

What I want to do, Mohammad Yusuf doesn't know. He knows that I am going to put in-swing. Even then I put in-swing. Generally, you are on hat-trick, right? Many times, many game-bosses try something different. That I will put it out.

Or I will put cross-in delivery, or I will put a bouncer, or I will put it on gloves, or I will put a Yorker. He knew the ball would fall in but he still couldn't play. Have you ever spoken to him about this? I had heard a video of Muhammad Yusuf. He praised him a lot. But when I met Yunus Khan a few years ago, just generally about cricket, but not about this particular hat-trick. I don't do it, sir. You made me talk about the hat-trick, so I'm doing it.

Otherwise, I don't talk about, sir. I'm doing it because you made me say it. Otherwise, I wouldn't have said it.

That's my job, sir.

But the pain afterwards, I felt that I had to end it like this. But the result was not in our favour. Yes. Looking back, it seems that if I had counted from both ends, it would have been different.

But you can't do it. This is often said. When Operation Sindoor was going on, and General Ghai was doing the briefing, in the context of Thompson and Lilly, it was said that Pacers hunt in pair.

Is this true? Yes, it makes a lot of difference. You created pressure from your side. The opponent's game was not in your favor. You created pressure from your side. The other batsman gave two chokes.

The batsman's mind has changed. He has gained confidence.

He has gained confidence. Then he will play differently in front of you. His hands and feet will move in the same way as his mind moves. The mind is a very big thing. In sports, in cricket, in football,

basketball, volleyball, any sport, mind is a big thing. Mind is a big thing in life too. The way the mind works, the way the hands and feet work. Confidence is a big thing.

That's why it's called a hunt in pair. The opponent should do the same thing, or the person around you should do the same. Only then you can build up your strength. Bowler's hunt in pair. Did you ever feel that there was a phase in Indian cricket... ...when a player was hunting in pairs for the past 4-6 years?

Because Kapil Dev never got any other player. Manoj Prabhakar kept changing. When Jagagal Srinath came, he didn't get the name from the other side. Then Zaheer came. This is said a lot. It never happened that we had two Pacers, like we see in Australia or England.

Do you agree with this or you think it's not like that? If we look at the past, in the past few years, we saw Absolutely. We saw in spinner, Jadeja and Ashwin, especially in home conditions, hunting pair. Anil Kumle, Harbhajan Singh, hunting pair, especially in home conditions. In fast bowling, for some time, Zaheer and I were facing each other. But when my peak came, Zaheer's peak was not there.

There was a time when we were not able to perform so well. But we went to England and came back after a lot of hard work. Balaji and I had some time. Then we met Mr. Nehra. But if we talk about the last fast bowling hunting pair, I thought that Bumrah and Shammi. I wish I could see them together a little more.

But they did a good job. Interesting. Now let's go back to the beginning. First time bowling. Was this MSc school? ME School.

ME?

MES School.

What was the form? MES, Muslim Education Society. MES School. I paid Rs. 25 per month. In Baroda. Yes. This was your first school. My first school was OL Pandya School. It was called Dakshina School.

So, I studied from 1st standard to 7th standard there. After that I went to H.V. Shroff. It was their branch. I studied in H.V. Shroffroff school, but there was no cricket there. So that's why I went to the M.E. school. And where did you start your cricket training? Baroda Sports Club.

Who was the coach there?

Mehdi Sheikh, late Bashir Sheikh. He was very close to my heart, very dear to me. He had got our coaching done. I started Baroda Sports Club when I was 10 years old. How did you start? Did you play at home or near the mosque? I used to play in the mosque, but... I used to play in the mosque, but there is a part where you can play,

but there are big restrictions. The mosque area...

What kind of restrictions?

There is a time for prayer, no one should be allowed in, and no one should be disturbed, and the ball should not go inside. There is an area, if you have ever seen the video, it is an area where there is a walking way, so we used to play cricket there, but many times the ball would go inside the mosque. So many times the worshippers would get upset. And because of that we used to go to the neighbourhood.

Okay, tell me, now they are praying, they are praying, in the mosque, getting upset, but in front of God, so, they don't even turn around much, how do they get upset? They used to tell the Wali Sahib, Wali Sahib was a Muazin.

Yes.

He used to tell the kids, later, but no one ever misbehaved, just that, the prayer is being done, you see, and we also used to understand that this is not right. That if you are playing there and there is noise, then you don't have to make noise at that time. So we used to go to the neighborhood. Which neighborhood was this? This was Bulandshaheen neighborhood.

Barodra.

Barodra.

Rajpuregi Pole. We used to play there too. That is the name of the area. And we used to play in Bul palace. So when the big boys, who were at least five, seven, eight years older than us, they used to say, come to our team, and the brother should go to their team. So there was a fight for both of us.

That he will play in our team. It was done with a tennis ball. And it was in the middle of the road. So the road goes in three places. From this side, like this, from this side, like this. and the light pole in the middle was used as a stump. And there was a house behind it.

If the ball went there, it meant that it would not come back. The auntie would not give the ball. She would give it later. So it was out. Going there was out. The ball cannot go there. If it goes there, it means that you have to bring the tennis ball. You have to collect everyone's money. So we used to play cricket there. There were matches there.

But the environment of the neighborhood and the environment of the mosque is different. So, our parents were always afraid that these children may go down the wrong path.

It's not that the boys are on the wrong path in the neighborhood. Not at all. But there is a fear. A mother's heart is always afraid for her children. No, there must be some strong reasons for their suspicion. There are all kinds of people in the neighborhood. Don't save so much.

There must be good people and bad people. All the goons and thugs come out of the streets. All are there. But this was the thought of my mother and my father also supported her a lot. That she should be admitted to club cricket. Where he played cricket. If he is so fond of it, then why not support him in a proper structure way. So our uncle, Ahmed Mian uncle,

our uncle, we spoke to him. He is a friend of our coach.

Mehdi sir.

Mehdi sir. We started there. He spoke to us. We both went there. How old were you?

10 years.

So now we will go there, but first let's go back to this pole. So was the match for money or how? See for us, we used to bet money on each other. That the match was for 10 rupees or 20 rupees. But we didn't care about the money. You must have played samosa later. There must have been something.

We didn't care. We were only concerned about playing. It was a big deal. We were getting space to play. We were getting a ball and a bat. It was a big deal. We never thought about money.

I manage finance. But money was never a priority. When we played for India, it was not a priority. It is not a priority. Kamana sabko hai. Halal paisa kamana koi harz nahi hai. Kamana bhi chahiye. Uske beeche mehnat bhi karne chahiye. But priority kabhi nahi thi. Tabhi bhi priority nahi thi. Never. So kabhi socha hi nahi, We were given a chance to play. We had a bat at that time. It was a big deal for us at the age of 9 or 10.

We had a tennis ball. And we could play with it. And we could compete with the big kids. It was a big deal. It was a blessing for us.

We never thought about it. Did you ever feel that we don't have enough money in our house

and that's why we don't have our own ball, our own ball. Did you ever think about it? No, no, never. Never. Not at all. I don't even remember thinking about it once. Once someone made me realize.

What happened?

I went to play in the U-14s. I was selected in the U-14s. Moti Bagh. So, Bhutni Japa, the ground of Baroda Sports Club. That ground, just imagine, no grass, no turf pitch. The ground is made of mud. Such a big ground. We used to practice on that. Now, there was a club tournament of Under 1414s, which was organized by the Baroda Cricket Association.

We played that from Baroda Sports Club. We played very well. I was the highest wicket taker. So, I was called to the net for U-14 trials in Motibagh. And I was selected in that trial. Me and my brother both. Now, there were club equipment in the club. Clubs, bat, helmet, pad. to Batting didn't come for a long time. After some time, D.K. sir, D.K. Gaikwad, Dattajira Gaikwad, ex-Indian captain, deceased, a big cricket lover, he was very fond of cricket, he was very interested in the growth of kids' cricket. He was our coach. He said, Irfan, do you want to bat?

I said, sir, yes. Now he said that he wants to bat. So I ran back. In the evening, when it is evening, the first bowler has to bowl first. Batting will come later when it is a little dark. Now I am seeing what to do with the luggage.

Now I have to wear the luggage. You will not go and bat without luggage. So a boy brought a new kid bag of Kukaburra. I will not mention his name because you do big things in childhood. And you make mistakes many times. Today we meet, we talk.

But I didn't ask about that guy's stuff. Which was my mistake. I didn't ask. I was in a hurry. I wore a pad. Because I thought if this opportunity of batting goes away, then I won't be able to show my batting to sir. Because he saw my bowling, not my batting.

I wore my pad, all my equipment and I am ready.

The same guy?

Yes, the same guy. That guy came running from there, behind the net. And he said a few words. Take off your pad now. In Gujarati or Hindi? Yes, in Gujarati.

Take off your pad right away. I said, I have a batting. Do you know how much this is worth? I made a mistake, but I don't have any other stuff. He took it off right away. He took off the pad right away. For the first time, he realized that he didn't have any other stuff. Before that, he never realized that I told you about,

the field of Borda Sports Club, playing in that big field, no one telling you to go from here, that was a great blessing. You play in an area where you are told not to play here because it is being violated.

You go out and play on the road. When you play on the road, in that area, when I talk about the neighborhood, then cars come. There are houses behind. The ball should not go.

Now, leaving that, we are upgrading. Where? In the big fields. It was called Bhutni Japa Ground. The ground of Border Sports Club was named Bhutni Japa Ground.

People were very scared of ghosts What stories were there? Stories like, don't go to the corner, there is a ghost under the tree These stories were there, but it was named that way But ghosts stay on leave during the day, they must be active at night We didn't have any problem

We got a big ground, he will do his work, we will do ours And if we get too worried, we'll get him fielded. So we were never scared. But when you go to such a big field, you feel like you have an aggredation. Really.

Because you don't have anyone to disrupt you. You're getting practice. Although, my brother and I used to go to the Boroda Sports Club first. And we used to leave last. People used to play on turf now. We used to do matting first.

So, we used to do the matting of the pitch. By putting the keel and all? Putting the keel, rolling it. First, rolling. You know, the 250 tonne ruler. Luckily, it was a little loose.

So, two or three people could pull it. And then, sorry kgs, sorry. And after rolling, you have to open the mat, bring it from inside, put the keel on it, then put the net on it, then put the stump on it. And you have to prepare for it.

So we used to come first. And it was our job to take it out. And after that, we had to go and practice extra. Interesting. Did you ever get extra reward or extra grading at school level, that you're paying so much attention to cricket,

fees, or at the level of scholarship?

The school supported us. The school used to start at 12 to 5. We used to leave at 2.30. So the rest of the kids would be sitting. There was a letter from the Baroda Cricket Association. We gave that go to school at 2.30. The rest of the kids were sitting. There was a letter from the Board of Education. We gave it to the school.

They said that these kids play cricket well. This boy can be selected for the U-15 India team if you support him. So you give him permission. So the school gave us permission. If the school said that we can't give permission

then my year would have gone. So the school gave us permission and the school team also started the tournament. We played the school tournament of Bauda Cricket Association. We scored 450 runs in a 50-over match. The team scored 450 runs. My brother scored 250 and I scored 150.

The kids were small compared to we beat them up a lot. But that record made us famous. Two brothers beat each other up. You are talking about your brother. You used to make him ride a cycle, but you didn't ride it yourself.

You heard it the other way around. You heard it the other way around. You tell us your version. I will tell you the truth version. The cycle is like this, sir.

See, we used to walk to the Borda Sports Club.

It used to take us about 30 to 40 minutes to walk. Then when the cycle came, there was one cycle.

So on one cycle, you and I, what will be left?

There will be a share of equality. Two you and two we. If there are four paths, we have to go from home to school. That's one path. You have to go from school to Moti Bagh.

That's the second path. You have to go from Moti Bagh to Bhutani Jabba. Because after that we used to go to meet our boss. To talk. That's the third way. From there, we had to go home. We had to go through the fourth way. So, two-two, 50-50.

Isn't it? So, in 50, it should be like this. We run 50, you run 50. My brother didn't do that. My brother used to run once, and we used to listen to him. He had some excuse. Sometimes my legs hurt, sometimes my head hurts, sometimes my back hurts, sometimes something. Sometimes greed. He said, I got 5 rupees from the bottom, I will feed you.

So he had some excuse. So we used to run it three times, he used to run it once. And if you meet your brother, ask him and get him to call you. I don't know where you got this source from. It's a wrong source. Three of us, Bhai is one.

I agree with you because I am a member of the small brotherhood in the world. And I know that big brothers are evil. And they make their truth our truth. And they always have this greed to give such balls In one thing, my brother has forced me Rest, he has never refused for anything in life

Nor has he ever said anything for anything that don't do this, I will do it He has always been a shield Has there ever been a fight on the field? Did you guys fight?

We had a fight in our area, Mandvi.

My brother got angry and ran away. I saw his clothes torn on the road. I saw him and ran away. We both beat him up on the road.

How old was he?

He was around 10-11 years old. We both fought a lot. We both brothers fought a lot.

Among yourselves?

Yes. If you fight amongst yourselves, why don't you fight outside? He beat up that guy a lot.

A lot.

So much so that when his father came, that boy, he and my father turned out to be friends. Otherwise, it was going to be a police case. We were saved. You killed so many people?

Yes.

And what was the fight about? It doesn't matter to you, sir. It was a fight between brothers. It doesn't matter to you, sir. What was right and what was wrong? No, sir.

You remembered what happened, but you dodged it and moved on. Yes, sir. Sir, you understand, right? If a brother says he wants to walk, he has to walk. You don't ask. And sometimes, a brother doesn't even have to say it. A brother just has to see.

And we just have to see. Let's go.

Wow.

Hunt in pair. Yes, sir. Hunt in pair. The world is on one side, the brother is on the other. Our brother Zakir Khan, stand-up comedian, woh yeh hi kahte hain. Chalability bahut important hai. Sunaaye main ne.

Kaha toh chaldiye, baad mein pooja kahan chal rahe hain. Aur badi sahi baat hai. Zakir ki yeh baat badi sahi hai. Aur woh aapko na, jo bhai hote, He is a brother to me. He is my brother. He is not just a brother, he is my life. He can ask for anything for my life. I believe that he is my brother.

I have seen him in my life. I have seen him in my life. I have seen him in my life. I have seen him in my brother. He is not a brother, he is my life. Now, if he asks for life, he will give anything for life. And I am sure that I will also stand like this one day. And he will know that I want this thing. He will never ask. For many years, I wore his watch. For many years, I wore his shoes. And till today, I have not said much outside,

if I have earned 100 rupees, if I have earned, 50 rupees are for my brother. If my brother has earned 100 rupees, without me, 50 rupees are mine. This system works in our house. And the key to that.

At the age of 41, it's great to talk about your elder brother, but when you were younger, you used to hit each other's heads. Tell me about that. When you feel that on one side is Pandav, on the other side is Kaurav, today it will be decided, Mahabharat will happen here. That happens even now. It happens even now, but the third person won't come. to We are completely different. Do you play with a punch? No, no, no. We don't play with a punch. We stand strong.

You mean...

We stand strong.

You don't play with a punch, sir.

You shouldn't raise your hand on the MP, sir. You should worry a little, brother.

You should worry about yourself. Sir, last year we were playing WCL. Bhai sahib got us run out. We scolded him. What did you say on the pitch? It went viral. We told him to tell us earlier. Tell us verbally. I played a shot.

Yes.

The match was going on in a crucial situation.

Yes.

South Africa scored more than 200 runs.

Yes.

Five wickets fell. I went to bat. Five or four wickets. When I went to bat, the situation was like this. UV was like this. The captain, UV, said, leave 200. We have to achieve the target of 157.

We have to do that kind of partnership. Because it is realistic. Because according to the run rate, we had to do 200, 15 runs per over. So, the wicket goes in that. And the target of 150, with which we qualify. So, even after losing, we qualify according to the run rate.

So, UV is saying me to follow that. So according to that, our partnership worked. We had a partnership of 30-40 runs. It's going well. I hit a sixer in the form. And my brother is playing carefully. My brother is also showing his strength in the middle.

My brother is good at showing his strength in batting. Dale Sten came, put a slower one. I hit a big shot The ball went over the covers, it ran behind and I was away from it I ran one run, I thought I would run the second run Bhai took one step, when he took one step I thought he would run away I went from here, Bhai refused

Go back, go back I went back and I ran out I felt very bad, so I turned back I should have said it earlier. I felt really bad. I turned around and said, I should have said it earlier. My brother said, I told you.

My brother is saying it from there. The video went viral. People liked it. I scolded him. I was angry. I was going back in anger.

When I cooled down, I said, he is my elder brother, but he is not the only elder brother. He has a lot of responsibilities. I shouldn't have done this in public.

Now I was thinking what to do. The match... We were in a situation where we had to score three runs in the last count. I mean, we had to hit fours. He hit fours.

And we qualified. We lost the match but we qualified. And my brother came out. I went and said, I'm a kid now. I'm stuck. I've done what I had to do. You know. It's live in front of everyone.

You know, you've crossed the limit of respect. In public. What will we do now? I said, let's take advantage of the younger brother. I went, touched the car, kissed it, hugged it. I said, done. I saved myself.

To show it to Abba, I have a counter visual. No, no, before Abba, there is a brother. Abba is fine. Abba, we love Abba blindly. In Abba's eyes, we are always right. In our eyes, Abba is always right.yaar karte hain. Abba ki nazar mein hum hamesha sahi hai. Hamari nazar mein abba hamesha sahi hai. Toh udhar toh tension hi nahi hai. Tension maa ka hai aur tension

usse pehle bhai ka hai. Toh humne set kar diya bhai ko, choom liya, gale laga liya, smile How will the visual be cut? Yes sir. And when to hold it. When to leave it. It's very important. And when. The scenes that come, the visuals that come. When to let them breathe. We know this as a broadcaster. So we let them breathe.

We convinced them and everything was fine. And brother knew that half of the work was being done for the camera. No, no. Actually it was not for the camera at all. It was really for Bhai that, okay, it was a mistake, but it's a good thing that you played well. Because of you, we won.

So, the matter was brought to him. And then he also understood that it happens. Okay, tell me this. I was watching one of your clips, in which you are telling that Gary Custon informed you that you are playing well in the 7th division but Yusuf is playing better.

So I will have to drop you and take him. When did this happen? This happened in 2009 when we were in New Zealand. We were in New Zealand and and me and my brother, you might remember that we won a match in Sri Lanka.

We won the match in that situation. I think if any other player had won, there would have been no drop for a year. It would have been sealed. That this is a match winner. We needed 60 runs,

28 or 29 balls left, 7 wickets. The match was almost over. Sri Lanka came and who was the ball-boss? Malinga. He has great spinners. You are playing on the ground of Sri Lanka.

My brother and I won the match. I made 33 not-outs in 16 balls and took out wickets. We went to New Zealand.

I was sitting out in the first, second, third and fourth match. I scored 33 not-outs in 16 games and also took wickets. I used to go to New Zealand.

Now India won the series. They won the series.

I was not in the team.

I thought, why is this happening?

So I asked Gary, tell me the reason why I'm not playing. I'm... And if you want to improve, tell me that. If you want to improve,

we'll work hard, but I want to know the reason. So he had two reasons, he said Irfan, there are things are not in my hand. These were his words. There are things are not in my hand. So I asked, in whose hands? I can't tell you that.

He said, okay, I respect that. But you can tell us. No, I knew that, but… That's why you tell us. No, see, the playing eleven is the captain's decision. Captain, it's... The way playing 11 is, it's the captain's decision. Captain, coach, management...

What combination he's thinking... Was Mahendra Singh Dhoni the captain? Yes, but I won't go into that. The reason is that every captain should run the team according to his own. That's his prerogative. But this was Dhoni's call that he doesn't want Irfan now.

Yes, at that time. Now, obviously, the boy who doesn't play, he should have this thought in his mind that he should play. If he doesn't have it, then sit at home. So, the boy who is 12th, 13th, 14th, 15th, he doesn't have this thought in his mind that he should play in the 11th or not.

It is important to play. You should have this this in your mind. That's why you are a sportsman. That's why you fight. That's why you are better. You are happy sitting outside.

You are getting a match fee. You are getting to travel. And you are having fun. You are in the team. You don't have pressure. So it's wrong.

That is absolutely wrong. So as a player, everyone thinks he should play. We also think he should play. So we asked him. The second answer was that because we are all-rounders, we are watching batting all-rounders on No. 7 and he is an off-spinner. The good thing was that

Bhai was a batting all-rounder and we were bowling all-rounders. So both had different opinions. And in today's world, In 2025, you'll ask, do you want two all-rounders in the team? People will happily take them. Our criticism is that we are depending on all-rounders. But it's a good thing that you have so many multi-skilled players

with whom you can make a game. So the criticism you just mentioned, I think it's over the top. Because eventually it's all about the result. And you got the result because of that. Criticism reminds me, who did you criticize that you got him out of the IPL commentary? Look, I believe it's the job of a broadcaster is to tell the story of the game,

when the commentary is going on, when the fans are watching the match, what you are seeing, the visuals that are coming, moving beyond the visuals, you have to tell the story of what is going on, that is the job of a broadcaster, the job of a commentator. What is going on, why is it going on? What is happening, why is he playing? The one who is happening, why is he happening? The one who can happen, why and how can he happen?

This is the job of a commentator. If a player is playing very well, praise him. But if he is not playing, then criticize him. Whose job is this? Commentator's job. And the commentator'sator is not for the player

The responsibility of a commentator is for the fans Because who do commentators cater to? Fans To narrate the story to them What is going on, why is it going on This is their responsibility

And then you have the knowledge You have the ability to narrate it Everyone has their own way So you have the knowledge, you have the eloquence, how you express it. Everyone has their own way. So you have to do that. So, now who should be criticized to get this out? As much as you know, I know.

No, you know a little more. No, how do you know that I know a little more?

Yes, yes, I am now, sir.

This is our job, sir. This is our daily practice. You are sitting with the whole book. I know a little more. This is our job, sir. This is our daily practice.

People think that Virat Kohli and Rohit Sharma made a comment about this.

But

we know that you know that this is not true. We wish you to tell the truth.

Laughter

See, it is like this, We want you to tell the truth. We want you to tell the truth. Look, it's like this. It's like this. Virat, 2019-2020. Virat, 2019-2020. You can see on my social media. Virat's slum came.

You can see on my social media. It was said that it's COVID time. They are not getting inspiration. I believe that when a big player comes to the first slum, he should be backed. So if you look at my social media feed, I have backed them a lot. Because they deserve it. I won a lot, I backed a lot.

But if that slum runs for 5 years, that's not good. Eventually, the team is on the server. The team you play in and the Indian team, team is number one. You play for the team, you play to win, nothing is greater than that. So when a person gets out in the same way, then the team in front of you, when it plans, then the plan will not go to B, plan A will out you. And taking the plan from plan A to

plan B, if you are a champion player, it is your job. Everyone makes plans. We will plan to out you. You will plan to out us. Sometimes you will be successful, sometimes you won't be successful. The problem with Virat in Test cricket was that he was getting out in the same way. That doesn't mean he is a bad player. He's a champion player, but what a horror. I'm a judiciary about by on Karnal detail kiss up Rui Sharma

White ball kaka malka clarity Ligin test cricket man who saw Chica average Tom Nick ah carry a Gaga captain you to do team may only Jagan a Or a such a hala key bat And this is true. Although people say that we have supported Rohit Sharma over the top. Obviously, if someone comes to interview you on your broadcasting channel, like I have come, you will not misbehave with me, right?

You have invited me, you will be polite. When Rohit Sharma came to interview me, obviously, he is polite. I have to show you. He is polite because he is your guest. You are in the channel as a broadcaster everyday, but he doesn't come everyday. If your guest comes, then he is connected to support him. But it's Hamid who said that he should fight, but his place doesn't make it in the playing eleven.

If he wasn't the captain, he wouldn't have been a part of the playing eleven. Unfortunately, that didn't work out But the interview went on for a long time But if you look back If you look at my statement, it was my statement Because I feel that No matter who it is

The top player in the world The top team comes It's a team game It's not a singles game When you play singles Your your defeat, your victory, it's all your responsibility.

When you play a team game, your first responsibility is for your team. And the team comes first. Team comes first, always. And if the country's name comes up, then the country comes first. Some people have said that Rohit Sharma's absence in the Sydney test

was a good PR stunt that he took the call and everyone said that he is such a great player that he kept the team ahead and also saved the team from the overall responsibility of the series. What do you think about it? I personally think that he should have fought, which I said as well.

I think he should have played. And I said this not just now, but even then. He should have played. And I didn't say this just now, I said it then too. They should play. When you are there, if you are in the team, if you are a part of the team,

If you are the captain and you are back in the middle of the tournament. Why are you a player? Even if you are a player, you can't pick and choose. You can't pick and choose. That is the responsibility of the captain and the coach. But you can't pick and choose. You have to fight it. You have to fight it.

You just talked about Hardik Shubhicha. There are 14 matches in IPL. If I have to criticize 7 out of those matches, I have taken it very lightly. You have made mistakes 14 times. I have shown you 7 times.

So it's our job. if we do our job... So you are agreeing that... I am telling you the same thing to all the players.

I will ask you more directly, sir. It is a long topic, why turn it around.

Everything is not right between Irrfan Pathan and Hardik Pandya.

Why?

Why is it not right? What is the rivalry? There is no rivalry. What is the rivalry of Vadodara, Gujarat cricket lobby? Not at all.

You are not best friends.

It shouldn't be. There are many people behind the curtain, Irfan bhai's people, Hardik bhai's people, what is this? I don't know that, I found out for the first time. But all these players of Vadodara, not a single player, not a one player, no one player, can say that Irfan Pathan, Yusuf Pathan did not support

us. In the initial phase. In any phase. In any stage. In any stage. Even a few years ago, two years ago, no one can say that we did not support them. Anyone.

And at every level. From sponsorship to shoes, from talking to people, to supporting them and their talent. Even VVS Laxman, a few years ago, at Star Sports, said, I'll hold your ears, I didn't listen to Irfan,

what Irfan said in 2012, if I had listened, I would have played for Hardik Sunrisers Hyderabad. This was said by Laxman. So no one can say this. Even now, and in the future. What happened in two years?

Nothing. Where are these stories coming from? About you and Hardik's love? These are the stories of the people who run it. Do you know what the problem is today?

Yes.

Today, every player has some or the other PR companies.

Yes.

Do you run your PR? You know that it's wrong to run your PR. Yes, absolutely. You can run your own stories. But I believe that if any player has played for India in one match, I have my full respect and full support. But as a broadcaster, my responsibility is not the players.

My responsibility is the viewers. Then why did you raise your hand seven times? Because in broadcasting, you have to pay attention to your emotions. Eventually, I raised my hand seven times because you know that I am a human being.

And when I raised my hand seven times, I also said this in broadcasting. That the name that is taken, especially for this particular player, there is a particular name which I don't agree with at all. It was being taken again and again.

So I said it live, that you criticize, if the player is bad, you do it. Ravi Shastri is standing next to me, Jatin Sapru is standing next to me, it is going live, I was told that the atmosphere that is going on, the criticism that is happening, the booing that going on, what is your opinion about that? So, I had to say this in front of the camera, live, that you have to criticize, do it to the player. Absolutely, no one is immune from criticism.

As long as you play cricket, you will be criticized. Great Sunil Gavaskar also gotar, Great Sachin Tendulkar, all the great players, till the time they played, they were criticized. But they were bigger than the game. They never made us feel that way. Even here.

When these words were spoken for them, I said, don't say these words.

What words were spoken?

I don't want to use the word because I don't agree with that. You will go and there are some small words. For some particular players, let's take fans. Which is used on social media.

What word is used, Ravi? Where is it? What word was used for Hardik? Is it related to luck? No, no, no, not like that.

Basically, it's a derogatory word. Which is not right. So basically, it was my opinion that you don't use such words. You have to criticize. Yes, so you should do it on performance and stats. Absolutely. If you have to bring a game boss today, you bring someone else instead. So obviously, you will feel that this is right and this is not right. Do that.

If you have made a mistake, do it cricketer, you should do it. I am doing the same. If my job is to say that this is not technically right, or this is not tactically right, then I will do it. But keeping people's names is not right. I said this live, when I criticized, I said it then too.

But that thing goes to the side. Now, the environment is Now, these small things create an environment. There is pressure in the commentary box. Like Harsha Bogle said something on Virat. You said something. Although there is an example of Gavaskar in which

he said stupid, stupid, stupid for Melbourne or Sydney. And later an ad was made on it. But there is pressure on the commentators that the player they are talking about, how powerful he is, which lobby is backing him, how many sponsors he has, what kind of losses he can cause, so commentators should also be in the limelight? Secure commentator will never be pressured.

Where does security come from? Your content should be solid, your match analysis should be solid. You are clear about this. I think that if I have to talk about something in the country, especially in cricket, I sometimes say something, I don't talk about it without proper research. The paper you have read, I don't talk without doing proper research.

That is my field. By thinking, understanding and obviously live commentary is spontaneous. You don't think before you go. So, if you are a secure broadcaster, then you won't be under any pressure. And it's not that any pressure is put. Everyone has created their own pressure.

But security, either your financial security, or your own space, your position security, you will never come under any pressure. You shouldn't even come under any pressure. Interesting. When it comes to pressure and security, I remembered Greg Chappell.

He has told many stories. He didn't take the load of big players. He was bringing Australian culture. Some said he was rude. Some said that he used our middle finger while posing towards camera.

But people said, all the bad things are on one side. You ask Rahul Dravid or Irfan Pathan how was Greg Chappell. Because these two players were very comfortable. And Greg Chappell made Irfan very shy. That's why you will never hear bad things about Greg Chappell from Irfan Pathan. Is this true? Mahendra Singh will not hear bad things about Greg Chappell from Irfan Pathan. Is this true?

Mahendra Singh will not hear from Dhoni, Suresh Raina, Gautam Gambhir. I will tell you the other names. Yes, yes. Now, when Greg Chappell came, his intention was never bad. His intention was that all people should work hard in one way. But his method was very aggressive.

Our culture made it difficult for them to fit in.

What culture is it?

Our culture is such that we don't talk straight. Which you are not doing right now. I always do.

Yes.

I always do. What culture is this? I have opened my YouTube channel I talk straight there You must have seen All my opinions

Now I will talk openly on Virat Rohit Hardik I don't need IPL commentary You guys can watch it What was the culture before Greg came That no one will talk to senior players Sachin Sourav.

What was the culture?

See, it was their way of saying that I will give the same respect to the senior player as I will to the junior player. It was their way. But in that process, they got a little too aggressive.

Give us an example. The example is that they always used to talk like this. If you don't perform, you will be drop from the team. This was his way of saying it. And whoever the player is in front of him.

Yes, that was his way. When I realized that what he was doing was a little too aggressive, I told him, in front of him,

Ian Fraser used to play told him, in front of him,

Ian Fraser used to play with him. So I told Greg, I want to talk to you. First of all, you tell him, I want to talk to you in private. So he told him, you go. I went to him. I said, what you are saying, that if you don't perform, you will be out of the team,

we know that, you don't tell us. But this is spreading a little insecurity in the team. Don't do this. So they saw me for a while. After that they got a little angry. But said, what you're saying is right.

I might be a bit more aggressive. I said, don't do that. What did they say when they got angry? Their English words. He again used some choices of words. I was looking at him like that.

I didn't even look away. I said whatever I'm saying is right. See, one thing you have to remember, wherever you go be a coach in Bangladesh. I'll give you an example. Or I'm going to be a coach in Sri Lanka. Or I'm going to be a coach in England.

Now, if I don't accept the culture there, will the team there accept me?

No.

So, there was no problem with Greg Chappell. His intention was not wrong. But he wanted to bring that aggression, that proper Australian culture. That, bro, you have to play hard cricket. It doesn't matter who is, what is, which background comes from. Everyone has to play in the same way.

Which is to a large extent right. But you can improve your way. Today, if I go to England as an Indian to coach, I have to accept the culture there. What is the culture there? You go to play county cricket, right? I am from Middlesex County, London. I played cricket there in 2005. There is a 4-day match, a Ranji Trophy match, the Ranji Trophy there, meaning, County Cricket.

You play that. The next day, you go, after driving, wherever you have a match, a one-day match. You go there, and before checking in at the hotel,

you gather in the bar. Everyone gathers. I don't drink alcohol, I never had breakfast. But I have to accept their culture. So I used to go as a team. I don't have any problem. So basically, you're playing as a team,

so you have to accept their culture. If you don't accept their culture, you will be not part of the team. If you play in a team, there are different types of people. There are different types of people. You have to blend in according to that culture. I think if he hadn't missed that one thing, he would have been one of the best coaches.

Did you ever have a heated exchange in the dressing room between him and the senior players? Not in front of them, but we could tell from a distance that something was going on. Between whom? Greg and? Greg, Rahul Dravid, Saurav Ganguly. Because things changed a lot in Indian cricket after that. Leadership changed. You know, a lot of young boys came.

Suresh Raina was backed. Dhoni was pushed a lot. It's good. Fitness was given a lot of priority. It's good. There were different fielding practices.

There was a catching practice. It's a big field, 400 meters. It's a very big field. In that big field, you start from one corner, you turn around and come back, catch the catch.

You keep catching the catch. So basically, when your neck is up, and it's up, and you catch from above, you'll feel dizzy. You'll move.

Because you have to look up, throw the catch, run and look up again. So it's going up and down. So your mind, it moves you. Nine, only nine catches. In one go? to things are improving. You are running and your vision is moving and you have to catch. So, there were different training sessions. I remember that we had to play on a bounce

pitch. So, how were we preparing for that? So, all these coaches brought a big table and a bowling machine was kept on it. A 6-foot bowling machine with a stand. And on top of it, how high it was. So the ball would come from there. So there was a replica. How to play a heighted bowler.

So different types of practice, different types of training. So all this was going on. If the method was better, things would be different. Is it one of the reasons that we all said and done see so many the players of Australia as ruthless. You are a superstar of your own home, you made a mistake, you will be out.

Yes, they had banned David Warner and Steve Smith. They were at the peak of their career but they had them out. They had them out. They had them out. Whatever decision of the sandpaper was taken… decision of the sandpaper. The ICC takes any decision, but Australia said, no, you have taken that decision. We will take our own decision. I had banned it for two years.

So their way of playing, for them, playing means winning. In many other countries, playing means having fun. For them, playing means winning. To play in the world means to have fun. To play for them means to win. In our country, things are going very well. In terms of competition, in terms of technical things. What is the NCA, National Cricket Academy doing? They are doing beautiful work.

Sometimes they are criticized, but I have seen it personally. A lot of hard work is done. Physio, trainer, coach.

Injury management.

Injury management. Injury management. And they are doing solid work. So we are going to that level, that mindset. But now there is more to go. When you went to MRF Pace Academy, what was the situation there? Was Dennis Lilley there? Dennis Lilley, TA Shekhar.

TA Shekhar used to be regular. Dennis Lilley used to come three times a year, for 10 days. And I have been to the M.R.Payse Foundation twice. I spent 4 months there. When did you go for the first time? I went to Chennai from Baroda.

I went by train. How old were you? I was around 15 years old. I went there. Were you playing in the U-15s in India? Yes, I played.

After that I played in Ranji Trophy after a year. I stayed in Chennai for 4 months. I stayed in Anna Nagar, an area. At that time, there was no phone. So, I used to go to the STD booth next to our house. I used to call there.

And then I played under-19. So, I stayed there and call me. And then I went there and played for 19. And the next time I went there, I stayed for a month. And in 2007, when my injury was remodeled and I remodeled my action, I went again for 2.5 months. I practiced with Shekhar sir every day. He remodeled my entire action.

And in 2007, when I came 2007 to play in the World Cup, the match I got, I worked hard for 2.5 months. I had played in India before, in 2004. But in 2007, I stayed in the same house where the rest of the boys, the young boys, the amateurs, the ones who had come to learn, I stayed with them. I used to go to the young boys, the amateurs, the ones who came to learn. I used to go to the bus with them, I used to eat with them.

I did everything in that house for 2.5 months. But for those kids, there must be a star sitting in between us who is wearing the Indian cap for so many years. I mean, the kids get happy, just like we used to be happy. When we see a boy who has played in India, he has come to the MRF Pace Foundation or in our team, we are happy. When did you meet a big cricketer for the first time? Who was playing at that time?

In Baroda? He was from Baroda, Connor William. He played a lot for Baroda. He played unofficial test match for India. In front of South Africa. Nayan Mongia.

He used to be a wicketkeeper in our team. When I saw him, I saw him for the first time on the polo ground. He was signing on the caps and t-shirts of the kids. I was watching him from a distance. I was very happy to see him. An India player. When Zaheer Khan used to play for our senior team, he used to be in the dressing room

and we used to see what he was doing what he was eating, what he was training

what he was recovering

I saw Sachin Tendulkar for the first time in the NCA Did you start talking to him or you used to hesitate? No, I didn't talk to anyone suddenly You are shy? I am not shy, I think it's just my nature

I mean, it's not like that I don't feel shy. I feel like there are a lot of things going on in the mind of the other person. You have to respect that. Because a person is not always the same. Every day is different. Every day's thinking is different. So when you meet them, when you have a connection, then you go and talk. You are right that not every person and day is the same.

On days, Kiran Mora and Irfan Pathan have a very good relationship. Even days, Irfan Pathan is criticizing Kiran Mora. You just mentioned Connor Williams.

What happened between you and Kiran Mora?

What are you talking about? When Conor Williams was not being made a coach and you were miffed at it, you wrote a letter. Yes, you did a lot of research.

Sir, credit goes to my team.

I was requested by Baroda Cricket Association to come and contribute to Badawada Cricket because your thoughts will help Badawada Cricket a lot. So, it's basically an honorary job as a CIC committee member.

Yes.

It's a Cricket Improvement Committee which is in charge of decision making. So, Kiran More is the chairman. And the one who played the most is the chairman. But he was the chairman. And secondly, it's okay to work together.

So, I recommended in the committee meeting that you play like Connor Williams, who has played so well in the first class. He has served a for Baroda, has been a Ranji Trophy champion, has been a selector and has been a coach. As soon as I took his name, he refused. He said, no, don't take his name. I said, why? He said, because this is not a cricketing logic, that's nothing but ego. This doesn't happen. And we have seen a lot of ego, sir. And we don't like this. You win with love, do everything with love, whatever you want to do.

Not ego, sir. Keep the ego aside. Now, this thing is not acceptable even for our character. So we wrote a letter. If you don't agree, then write a letter to the President. Write a letter to the Association. That this method is not right. So that's what happened.

Then what happened? Then nothing happened.

Then did the Moray people get upset with you? If you don't agree, then people get upset. Either the highway or the highway works. But that thing's not right. If there is a committee, then everyone's opinion is in the committee. And eventually, I wasn't speaking for my team.

It's not my personal team, it's my cousin's team. So, anyway, but then I said, thank you. If you don't reply to my email and you don't have an answer then you make your own committee. What did you say when someone

was holding your collar in the Indian dressing room and asked why you were going to number 3? I didn't say anything. I was very young. Who was this player? The one who thought he was better than me. You didn't like Saurav Ganguly or someone else? No, Ganguly was not there.

Ganguly was very... Who was he? He was in your character. You should have spoken more openly. No, no. In the sense, look, he was in my character. But that doesn't mean that you insult someone, you work together, a lot of things.

See, one thing, in cricket, there is neither permanent friendship nor permanent enmity. Things keep changing. A person doesn't change, a person's character remains the same. But things keep changing. At number 3, Saurabh Dravid and Sachin... No, this is wrong. Dada was not at all.

Dada was a player who sacrificed his position. And he has backed you a lot. Yes, I mean Dada... But you haven't refused on the name of Dravid and Sachin yet. No, no, look, do you know who was the one who made me play at number 3? Greg Chabalkar.

No, no, no, no. Sachin Tendulkar was going to send me at number 3. He told Greg and Rahul Dravid that I have seen him batting at number 3. He had got it done in the Dilip Trophy. He was the captain in the Dilip Trophy. Now, the story of the number 3, we were playing the Dilip Trophy in Hyderabad, Anil Kumle was in front.

Sachin Dhanulkar, I think, as a leader, He was heading the West Zone. I think he could have been India's greatest leader, but he didn't get a good team when he was a leader. When he was a captain... Late 90s, post-Sanjeev.

He left the captaincy because it was a transition period and the team was different. But I think leaders are amazing as a captain. I think we missed out on Sachin Tendulkar the captain. When he talks, you can see that he has a different vision. His thinking is different. About the players, picking the players, pushing them forward with the players' strength.

He sent me to Delhi Trophy on No. 3. He said, Irfan, Anil Kumble has come, right? You give him a tight slap. His plan was that Anil Kumble is playing for Delhi Trophy. Anil Kumble is the biggest match winner of India.

He is playing for the Delhi Cup. Anil Kumble is the biggest match winner in India.

He is playing for the Delhi Cup. He is coming back after the injury. He will ruin our condition. So he took a risk. I am an 8th number batsman. If I will go and get 2-3 shots.

He will wash the left leg spinner. No, he used to put the ball. But still, he thought that if he scores 2-3 shots, and Anil Kumble gets a little upset, then we'll get him out of his plan. This was his planning. Sachin's?

Yes, Sachin's. Sachin told me that he was ready. We got the opportunity for batting. It's a big deal. We said, yes sir, ready. We tied the pad and went.

I scored 50 runs. I played shots to Anil sir, he forgot that. Then cut to Nagpur, when I played for the first time at No. 3. Paji said to Rahul Dravid and Greg Chappell, both said yes immediately. And I played that 83 run parry, that too with Sachin Paji. So the news that comes, half of it is not true. It was Sachin Paji who trusted, jinnu ne meri batting pe sabse zyada vishwas rakha. Aisa hai Irfan bhai, ki hum jis peshe mein hai, humein yeh sikhaya jaata hai ki yeh aadhi

sach khabron pe yaqeen nahi karna chahiye. Aur angrezi ka ek phrase chalta hai, from I am asking you, was Irfan Pathan's collar caught in the Indian dressing room? Collar? Not literally like this. But it was said that why is he going up from me to bat? While holding the cloth? Yes. Ok, the cloth was caught, the jersey was caught.

Was he a senior player? Absolutely. So tell me the name so that the rumors of the future are over. I will tell you that neither was he Rahul Dravid, nor was he Saurav Ganguly, nor was he Sachin Tendulkar. Now B.B.S. Laxman is the only one left. He was not me. He is a man of love. He was not there either. Who is left?

Virender Sehw. That this was the case. At that time, he also thought that he was a better batsman than me. So why is he going up? Send us. And the captain heard him and sent him ahead. He got out soon. So this happens.

What kind of match is this in which he got out soon? Don't tell the name, tell me the match

Leave it sir

Tell me the match, give us some homework I don't even remember which match it was Which series was it? India Pakistan India Sri Lanka

Check it Who sent you? Check all the scoreboards.

No, I have put the team behind.

Okay. So, this…

Then the matter went so far that why do you get so much attention and all? Sir, the thing is that a young player, right? Who has curly hair, light eyes, a few people like him. A few? Two sisters walked in and get married to him. You're talking about a little bit?

From Australia to Ahmedabad, there's a lot of hype. And he posts 10 photos, so you can see 10 photos. Even number 3 will go batting. So, sir, there are a few guys who think that this happens. Okay, they may not know that I know this. But I know that everything happens.

But there is no problem. Play as much cricket as you want. You may not have been able to achieve as much as you wanted. But whatever you have achieved, you are still in the 12th highest wicket taker in the history of cricket in India. Thank God, sir.

Thank God. Some fans say that... ...at the age of 19-27, such a great career... ...now people play till 38-40, they get a few more years.

Yes.

It's amazing. Why don't they get a few more years? People talk a lot. My last one day match... ...I had two matches and five wickets. We had made a run. Last T20 match, I scored 2 matches and 3 wickets. 2nd and 3rd last test match, I scored 2 matches.

Even though I played as a all-rounder in the last test match, I got a knockout in both the innings. 41 in one and 27 in the other. Or 21. As a all-rounder, you're doing well in one place. And the other team lost 6 wickets, I didn't get a wicket from that because the whole team was not allowed in South Africa.

That was my last test match. So, looking back, I feel that if things were better, then the 300 wickets I have stopped at, maybe 600 wickets, 700 wickets, but what would have sat and talked the same way. Things don't change. Only the numbers change.

There is no hesitation. There is no hesitation that despite such a good performance in the last matches, I was dropped. There is no hesitation that you were not told where you were lagging? I think I am not upset. What do you think? Tell me. If things were managed properly, it would have been better.

Who didn't manage properly? First of all, myself. It starts with myself. I could have managed the injury better. I used to work very hard. Sometimes I used to work a little too hard. Recovery is also a very important part.

I remember in 2012 white ball cricket was going very well for me. After the injury in 2010 and 2011

I had fractures 5 fractures in my back. My disc had prolapsed. L3, L4, L5. If I had a single fracture, I couldn't walk. Especially in my back. I had five fractures.

Those were stress fractures. While playing. I was playing for 1.5 years with those injuries. So they increased. There was a time when I couldn't stand. I couldn't walk, I couldn't run.

I couldn't do bowl or bat. I was not able to stand. This was in 2010. My pace had also dropped because I was playing with a painkiller. I was not getting any scans. I was getting scans in Mumbai, Bangalore, Ahmedabad.

I was not getting anything. I went to Australia and found out that I had 5 fractures, disc relapse, and a crack in S1. That's when I realized. From there, when I came back in 2012, I came back in 1.5 years. Physio even told me, stop playing cricket. If you play cricket, you might not be able to move forward.

Thank God, I still play cricket. I'm almost 41. I still play cricket. I play 3 leagues a year. I haven't stopped. I'm play cricket. I play three leagues a year. I haven't stopped. I'm very strong. I told Fiji then, do your work, free me pain, I'll play cricket.

They said, okay, we'll take the risk. Within a year and a half, I played India again. Playing first class cricket. Everything, the process of rehab, playing in the NCA, Ranji Trophy, taking out the victors, performing,

and then coming back to the team. In 2012, I went to Australia, Sri Lanka, ISB Gate taker, everything. There used to be a Champions League, you remember. We had a semi-final match in South Africa. I played that match. The next day, that same night, I took an international flight. I came to India, my name was there.

I had to come back to Red Ball Cricket. I spoke to the chairman. And first I spoke to the coach, Duncan Fletcher and George Dawson, the bowling coach. I said, I will play cricket for 8 days out of 9 days. I will play cricket for 8 days out of 9 days. I want to come back to Test Cricket. But you tell me a little better. He said, okay, I will talk to the selector. The answer of the selector is that if you want to come back in Test cricket,

then you have to play this match. Who was the selector? Sandeep Patil. He said, okay. Now I am playing that Champions League match. Flight for 8 hours the next day. Took a break for a day and 3 days practice match in CCM, 45 runs, 22 overs, 23 overs. 3rd day match got over, 3rd day flight, next day Ranjiro also went to play match, 100 runs against Karnataka, and also won. I had a fracture on the 8th day. It's inhuman. It's not humanly possible. This workload issue,

this workload issue, this workload issue, on one hand, you are not giving clarity here, right now, all the kids get clarity. Everyone gets clarity.

So, I think that's an advantage in the name of workload. But here, I am, give me clarity. I want to come back in the test match. But you're giving me cricket for 8 days out of 9. This is not possible.

But I played. Maybe I could have managed better. So, it starts with yourself. Not with anyone else. Do you think that... We are spectators,

we don't have that much knowledge. The era in which we started watching cricket was Kapil Dev's era. Late 80s, early 90s. Have we ever seen Kapil Dev... that Kapil Dev got injured

that's why he was sitting outside, no. He was made to sit outside in one test,

there is a lot of controversy about that.

Later, in Jawaharlal Srinath, I never saw much of an injury or anything. Later, we heard a lot that injuries are happening, injuries are happening. Your close people said that Sir Irfan Pathan could have been one of our greatest. The golden string word was used that he dances like a magician. But the injury management was not good. And now we see this in Bumrah, Shammi, where is the problem?

You said that it was not coming in the scan, it came in the scan after going to Australia. At the level of technology, at the level of human intervention, at the level of players' own fitness, at the level of number of matches, what was it that Kapil Dev used to do and we are not able to do? Or are things very different? This comparison should not be done.

You have raised a very good question. When Kapil bhaji used to play, his fitness was different. He had an amazing fitness. He had bowling fitness. He used to bowl a lot. He used to run a lot. And every human body is also different. In the earlier days, you did a tour of England for 2 months.

After that, cricket was not played for a month. You used to recover. So, cricket was not played as much as it is played now throughout the year. One thing was that thing, so it made a difference. You talked about technology, that it did not come in the scan. Then, when I am talking about 2009-10, we used to had a 1.5 Tesla machine for MRI.

Those were old machines. The 1.5 Tesla machines today are new machines, their slices are clearer. So, it is easier for radiologists to read them. But now, there is 3 Tesla, 7 Tesla. So, where has the technology reached? When I was struggling with our scans in Australia,

at that time, I had an MRI machine. If I tell you, you will be surprised. The MRI machine was sitting. You lie down in the MRI machine. In our country, everyone lies down in the machine. There was a machine there that you have to sit in the MRI machine.

You are sitting like this. You are sitting like this for 5 minutes. 5 minutes like this. That machine is scanning you. And that was a 7 Tesla machine. So, quickly, whatever was your problem, we were behind in technology. No one came ahead in that. Now, cut to the current workload management. Now our technology is better. But still, we are 100% machines in terms of technology.

We need to improve. Otherwise, Jaspi Bumrah had gone to New Zealand for surgery. We could have done it here. So, we are going there only when we have something. Nothing will happen here. So, still, there is a lot of room for improvement.

Especially in the case of operation. And back surgery is already very complex. There are a lot of things in it. There are nerves that can paralyze you. There are a lot of problems. The body that we have made,

God has made it very well. There is not only blood, there are no muscles, there is not only bones, there, bones, nerves, different things. I am half a doctor. I have had so many injuries. So, to fix this complexity, we need to have the things we need. There is no repetition in this.

So, now your question is, you have seen that earlier there was a lot of recovery in between. Now this recovery is managed very well. If it seems that all the data is with them, with the management, with the NCA, according to that the player is run. I believe that you have to take the technology along with you, and you have to take your recovery along with you, you have to listen to the body too.

But once you enter the field, if you go into the field, then there is no workload. Then there is a fight. With one team or another team. You have to win. It's a war. And you have to win it by any how.

So you have to put your body on the line. Rishabh Pant did it. Rishabh Pant was at Crutches in England. He was told thatutches in England. He was told not to bat. But in the evening, after the batting,

that guy was wearing a pad, a helmet, he couldn't walk, his leg broke, he went and added 17 more runs for the team. There's a difference, right? Eventually, there's a difference in the end result, right? You have to do this. Chris Wooks.

He came to bat in the sling. Once you get in, yes, now it's broken. Then you can recover it. Now he won't play. He will recover. No one wants to break. No player wants to get injured.

No physio wants his player to get injured. No physio wants his player to get injured. No physio wants his player to play more. But this workload management, this technology, all of this is fine till a certain time. Off the field, it's fine. Once you go into the field,

you wear the jersey of India, then don't look back. Then you can't say that I will put 5 overs. Then you can't say that I will put 3 overs. I will put this much spell. You can't say that I will put five overs. Then you can't say that I will put three overs. I will put this much spend. You can't say that.

Who says this?

They don't say. They do. Who? The one that is in force nowadays. That is not right at all. Commentator sir, you are not taking names openly. No, it is not like that.

I am talking about everyone. It is not just about one player. It's about everyone. You can't do this. Mohamed Siraj, he scores 145 in the last test match. He hasn't scored so many in all the five test matches. He has a workload for that too.

He has a workload for everyone. Once you get in, you'll put your life at stake. What is this star culture? I believe that team culture is very important. And Gautam Gambhir is there. As long as he finishes his coaching journey, he will come fully. Even now, in the team culture, one person is failing for 3-4-5 years.

Give him to us, because he is a big player. Somewhere you have to put a full stop. And the second one, whose name is not known, he is very strong for Indian cricket. Chairman of selector, Ajit Agarkar. Today, any decision, not taken by just the coach.

No decision can be taken by just the selector. If two strong people meet, they go in the right direction. And I think both of them are going in the right direction. Regarding team culture. You mentioned Agarkar, I remembered that match in Australia

in which he took 6 wickets.

It was my debut match. Yes. What a great spell it was.. It was my debut match. Yes. What a spell it was. You out Matthew Aden.

Yes.

And he also wore a Langa.

Yes. He was a very dangerous player. This was in 2003. 3rd. December 2012. Adelaide.

Adelaide. We won after 21 years. Tell us about this match. Because hitting a wicket on a pole at the age of 10... And then, after 9 years, you wore the Indian jersey. Saurav Ganguly didn't want you to be in the team. He even gave you the ball.

Later. He said, you were very young. We didn't want you to play in the team. The biggest test of Indian cricket is and the environment is completely different. When India and Australia are playing in Australia.

They target two people. When you go to Australia to play cricket, they target the captain first. Because if you shake the commander, then the horse riders will run behind. So their thinking remains the same.

Target the captain. And the second is young. Target the young boys. So that they don't get exposed. This is their way. So, what Sarogh Anguli said was absolutely right. There is nothing wrong in it.

But he has also done a great job in supporting me. When he saw me bowling, he supported me a lot. Take this new ball. You will bowl the new ball. Before the Adelaide match, he told me that Irfan, you or Balaji will play. He used to call me Patsy. Patsy, you or Balaji will play. Be ready.

I said, okay.

He told me two days ago. We were practicing in the net. You didn't even blink at his voice. So, when the day came, he told me that you will bowl the first change. When I got the cap from him. He gave it to me, he didn't serve.

Yeah, Indian Cap.

Didn't he give any speech before that? Yeah, he said, this is your place and you are bowling really well. You come and all our we'll back you.

What's your cap number?

248.

248.

You'll never forget this number.

Yes, it's close to my heart.

Yes.

So, you forget a lot of things, but this moment, the Australian test match, I don't remember the numbers. I remember the moments where I felt a lot. The moment when I got the cap. I was playing Adelaide Test match. I was taking the wicket of Matthew Hayden for the first time.

We were talking, there banter is going on I am jumping after taking the wicket What LBW did on the insider? Caught behind Caught behind, ok Ponting made 200

Ponting was at 10, then he caught me in my bowling In slip He doesn't have 200, if he would have caught Then two wickets would have been done But only one wicket. Did you use to abuse him when he used to miss the catch?

I can't abuse a senior. It was my first match, not my last. So, I have played cricket with a lot of passion. So, even if I missed the catch, I would have been angry. But I never left my zone. You didn't abuse him? I am angry but I never left my limits. No Ashish Naira.

Everyone has their own way. I know that clip of Ashu Bhai. Everyone has their own way. Everyone follows their own way. But I am angry but I am not going to leave the cash. Because we can leave it too.

We have left it too. This world is round, sir. It will come to us too. And in team culture, you have to pay attention to that thing. So I have paid a lot of attention to that thing. Sometimes, I have been hurt here and there. Yes, in front of the opponent,

I have always played cricket with the same stadium. I never left that stadium. Whether it was Hayden or any other player in our neighbourhood. Have you forgotten to take Damien Martin's name? Sir, Damien Martin is with you. The referee had made a fine. Sir, I still have a wound on my heart of 35,000 rupees. 35,000 rupees, sir!

Sir, going for 35,000 rupees was a bigger deal than the match fee. What happened? Actually, there was a bowling match going on. It was a big game, a final. They were fighting well. They were giving me the keys with gloves. They had a way, the Australian players. They would look down and say whatever they wanted to.

So that the lip movement doesn't come on the camera. We were new, we were open. We didn't even know that this method is like this. Because there are so many cameras. You know that the cameras are open minded. We don't even know that this method works. Because there are so many cameras. You know that the cameras are so amazing. If we zoom in, you can see everything.

Now they also know after the sandpaper, how amazing the cameras are.

Now they know more.

So they don't have to keep the sandpaper. But, like the ball you have, you gave it to me.

Here you go, sir.

You have the signature.

I gave it to him, you gave it to him. The camera never left the ball. A particular camera is only on the ball. Wherever it goes, it is on the ball. Things have changed now, but even then, the camera was on the player.

We didn't know that there is a camera in such detail. So when he abused me, I felt bad. So when he got out, I went to him and I clapped. And I didn't use any bad words. I have used bad words many times. We will come to that too. I didn't do it in that particular incident. So I clapped in front of him. Now the match referee called me.

Who was the referee?

The captain of West Indies. I forgot the name. Clive Light? Yes. So he called me and said, young man, what you did is not right.

So I said, I have applauded. I said, sir, I will not do it again. So our manager, Shivalal Yadav, he said, you say sorry. I said, okay, sir. This is how it is.

So we said sorry. If it was today, I wouldn't have said sorry. Because we didn't know how it was today, I wouldn't have apologized. Because I didn't know how it works. The manager is saying it, so you have to listen to him. He was right at that time. I said, sir, I mean...

He said, no, no, young man, you should not do that. It will teach you a lesson. I will cut, you know, this percentage of your fee. I said, okay, you're cutting the percentage, not the whole match fee. Later we came to know that when the match fee came, 35,000 rupees were cut. We used to have a match fee of some 1.25 lakhs in the Monday match.

There was no contract, there was no central contract, like there is now. So it was a big shock, sir. Because these 35,000 rupees were very important then. The Australians were also shocked when you celebrated in Perth with your tongue out. You were the man of the match.

What a performance. Tell us about it. Monkey Gate scandal. Tanao Charampar. It felt like we got a new Pakistan in the cricket field to crush. People say that India-Pakistan match is emotional because we have to keep the record

They have to win every time But the match is of India-Australia The public is booing at the peak No doubt Because this competition started in 2003-04. Getting Saro Ganguly to wait, Steve Waugh.

Give it back. Yes, giving it back. You won't be the only one sledging. We can do it too. We are not here to lose. We are not here to play.

We will compete and win too. So the attitude that was shown, believe me, Australian fans like it a lot. Australian fans, because at that time, the Australian team that ruled

cricket for 10 years, no team did that. In my heart, when I talk as a commentator, or I coach or I help my boys in coaching, this thing always stays in my heart

that we have to become a better team than that team as an Indian cricket. That in every format…

Sir, they were invincible.

They used to win everywhere. It was a dream run. They used to win everywhere. 99, 2003, 2007. I mean, it felt like they can never lose. That decade was Australian decade.

Yes.

I mean, there were more than one great players. Hayden was out, Gilchrist was there. Gilchrist was out, Ponting was there. Ponting was out, Steve Augg was there. Steve Augg was out, Andrew Simon was there. Damien Martin was there.

More than one player.

They were too good.

That Ian Harvick used to bat at bat number and hit sixes and go. Was he a keeper? All-rounder. Back of the end, he used to put a slow run. The biggest, Shane Vaughan. If not Shane Vaughan, then Stuart McGill. Stuart McGill. He used to be their shadow.

But he used to make such a big turn. His ball used to turn more than Shane Vaughan. Magra, Gillespie, Andy Bickle, Reddy. And McGrath was so clinical. Yeah. He used to get angry just by looking at him. He never showed any aggression.

He was always on the ball. Yeah. Bounce, late movement. And he didn't even bowl 140 or 135. But he was relentless. So, that team was amazing. And we, as an Indian cricket, can do that.

We have so many facilities now, if we are the number one in the world, then we have to remain number one for 10 years. And we can do that, we have that much potential. So when I think of team culture, it comes out because we can see Indian cricket reaching there. And why can't it not? It is possible.

Let's go back to the first match. What was the atmosphere then?

The atmosphere before that match was that we might go back to India. Because there was a lot of controversy.

Andrew Simonds vs. Harvajan Singh had already happened.

Yes. Now here, Anil Kumble, the leader, the role he played was a great role. Because of his leadership, everything was mitigated. Indian board was involved, Australian cricket board was involved. A lot of talks are going on.

Sachin's testimony was also done.

We have taken our stance that we will back our player. And we will stand strong in our stance. And standing strong is also that if you ban or whatever decision you take, we will not accept it. We will go back but we will not accept it because it is visible that the way you are doing umpiring, Steve Buckner was a very bad umpire, unfortunately he used to do very bad umpiring, especially...

He is a very bad man, the out he gave to Sachin on our shoulder how many curses should I send to that man, I said, brother why are you making me angry, I will forget that I am anchoring he is a very bad kind of a man many times he gave wrong out I used to think thought he was from Pakistan

who had made me do Akib Javed's hat trick with his cheap empiring I thought he was cheap But Steve Buckner is a member of hate club I am a permanent member

Yes

Many times he gave wrong out to Sachin Paji But have you seen Sachin's walk after getting out? He gave a wrong out. In Australia, in Brisbane. He just went for the shot.

Once he even shook his head and smiled. That nothing will happen. That you are such a fool, what should I say now? I am sitting here in Eden Garden. Abdul Razak is playing a game against Pakistan. Steve Bagnar is umpiring. Sachin Paji played a shot on the back foot. The ball fell and went out. Such a big gap. I can see from behind.

Where the dressing room is, you can see the pitch from there. It's far. The dressing room is outside the boundary line. I can see it's not out. They gave it out. They are smiling there and coming back. What can they do? It is their greatness that they have never reacted like this. If it was someone else, they would have taken the bat and gone back. So many times they gave a wrong out, by one umpire.

What a great scene it would have been!

Buggner is running ahead, Sachin is running with a bat behind him. Now, we all are getting to know this. I still remember Sunny sir's commentary. How can Ponting give that out? Gilchrist used to say that he was very honest. He is appealing, he knows that he is not getting the edge.

He is appealing, he is asking for an out. So, let's forget about the game, but the wrong decisions are being made. That is going on and then this controversy happened. So, we were already very angry. Now, we have to reach Puerth with him. Everything was done. The tour will be continued. I was told that you will play.

I am coming back in that match. Before that, I am sitting outside. I am getting a new ball. In that test match, RP Singh's great game, Rahul Dravid's amazing batting,

Sachin Paji played good batting in both the teams. In that test match, Harpi Singh played a great game. Rahul Dravid played a great ball. Sachin Paji played good parries in both the innings. Now, when I get the ball, in both the innings, both the openers are out twice. And then, they have to make the match, 350-450 runs?

Yes, something like that. And their partnership goes on till 350. We have to make around 350-450 runs. And their partnership goes on till 350. Mitchell Johnson and Stuart Clark. Fastballers. I have taken out 4 wickets, made runs, batted. I also got into a fight with Bradley in that match.

We are good friends, but he is a little bit of a banterer. How did you fight? You were in the middle, I was watching you from outside. I had to speak in English, sir. Bradley wouldn't understand Hindi. So how did you speak in English? Bradley bowled me, I was number 3 in the night watch.

I played on the front foot. Perth is the most bouncy pitch in the world. There is no other place in the world that is more bouncy. And I was playing on the front foot thinking that it was in India. I played on the front foot and the ball went like this. The ball was a normal length, not a short ball.

But the ball went near my head. So Bradley comes, mate, this is not India, this is Perth. You're going to smell the leather. No problem. Cut, their batting comes, we put the bouncer on them.

He gets hit on the glove, like this, if you put the bouncer. So they move back a little. So we say, how do you like your own medicine now, mate? So such things happen. Not literally abuse, but pulling and taunting, all that happens. But the amazing moment when we celebrate,

the way you spoke about celebration, my banter is going on with the crowd. When I am standing on the boundary line, I am standing on the boundary line, I feel very attracted to the crowd. In the name of Indianness, it is being said that, because you have eaten Indian curry, you are smelling like Indian curry.

So, the Australian crowd, they try to get under your skin. I said, okay, I am not getting angry and I don't even change my field position. Many people do it. I go and give them back the answer. Now I took the wicket. So the tongue that has to be taken out, that brother, look at this, my tongue is clean, there is no smell, but I have taken the wicket. So this is for the crowd, the Australian crowd is for them. So that celebration is going on. So in that whole fight, then later, the last wicket is taken out, then Stuart Clarke is out. And then we make that catch again on the match and win the match.

We win by a lot. Yes, a big match, a very important match, historically also. Because think, if that controversy happened, after that we don't win the match. Yes. Because if we don't win the match after the controversy, then it would have been a big shock to everyone. Everyone's confidence as well. So it was very important to win.

We become like the hostel people of Chakde India. Son, you don't have to lose.

Everything else is fine.

Here it is about English, but in India and Pakistan, only one language is spoken. So on 24th September 2007, you were the man of the match, It's a very easy thing to say, but in India and Pakistan, only one language is spoken. So, on 24th September 2007, you were in the Men of the Match final. What kind of language was spoken there? You can speak there, meet me outside.

Yes, that was… What did you speak? There was no limitation there, sir. There was abuse as well. You tell us, we will beep you. I have been with Afridi for a long time.

Oh, your good friend Afridi. This clip is also very popular in which you are continuously outing Afridi. She comes back to back.

11 times.

It's a count, sir. It's a count. So, I had a different fight with him because I felt that when I was a new kid, the Pakistanis felt that all the Muslims of the world, that they have taken their responsibility. Yes, they are the owners.

Yes, they have a misunderstanding. hain. Haan, thekedar hain. Unki yeh galat fahim hi hain. Jo mujhe lagta hai ki yaar, thoda se thairo, thoda rukho, apne aap pe thoda pehle dhyan do. Yeh badi cheez hai. Matlab aap aisa mat karein. Kyuki maine personal level pe mehsoos kiya hai. Doosra, jab main I had an interview with him. I mean, Mr. Harsha did not counter. I never said this to Mr. Harsha for that. But Mr. Harsha should have countered. What was the matter?

The same thing that was going on about the Pathanas. He said, I am the real Pathan, he is a fake Pathan. He said this to me. So basically, he was Shahid Afridi. He was Shahid Afridi. He is a rude man. So I thought that you are not only talking about me, you are talking about my parents, which you should not do. See, if you don't do this, then I have no problem with you.

You play, we play, we will go. But you are getting personal. This is not right. So whenever I had the ball in my hand, I thought that I will out him. Now I will tell you who the real Pathan is. Yes, I've already told him 11 times who the real Pathan is. And I've played him on big occasions.

I've played him on the series decider, I've played him in the World Cup final, I've played him in the IPL. Have I played him in the IPL? No, I've played him in the IPL in normal cricket. No, I've played slowly. What did you talk about during that time? Like the World Cup final.

You finished it, even though he was a player of the series. To talk, it's important to be on the crease. He came and went on the crease. What will we talk about? What will we talk about? He doesn't have time. I am ready to talk. Did you ever talk on the field?

We did talk outside the field.

What?

We were in a flight. Once we were going to Lahore from Karachi. Yes. It was their flight. Both teams were there. Was it the first or the second round?

The second round.

2005? 2006.

So, he kept his hand on my head.

He was touching my hair. He asked me, how are you? Sorry. I said, I don't have any friendship with you. Why are you misbehaving with me? He said some bad words. He was Abdul Razak. I said, Abdul Razak... And the plane is still in the air. Yes, we are in the air, in the flight.

So I asked Abdul Razak, which meat do you get here? He said, this meat, this meat. I said, do you get dog meat? And this literally, because I was angry. If it were today, I wouldn't have said this.

No, no, it's fine. Such mistakes are necessary in youth. Yes, yes. I was a little... You have to give a little. I am not contacting you or bothering you. You are coming to me and shaking my head They don't even eat without a snack His seat was right there

I asked him if he could get some dog meat He said why are you saying that I said he has eaten it, he is hungry Now that I heard this I got angry But I couldn't say anything

Because I didn't know what to say Because the more I would say, the more he would say I would say, you are hungry? So the whole flight was peaceful. So we used to fight off the field as well. Like this. Anyway, things are different now.

Forget about now, tell me about the earlier one. I'm enjoying it. So once you stopped them from starving, and? After that, they understood that we can't fight with this with our tongues. So we never said anything in front of the crowd He never fought in the ground He never said anything in the ground No?

No But he wanted to show it when he came And he always gets out to show it If he hits a big shot once or twice The social media kings of Pakistan keep playing it It happened once or twice

Now if you play it 100 times in front of the crowd He will hit a tal has happened once or twice. If you play 100 times in front of the crowd, he will score a few talenters. That's fine. Laxmibabdi Balaji has also scored a sixer for Sherbaktar. That's fine. It will happen once or twice.

Tell us about the World Cup final.

24th September, 2007.

Yes. Johannesburg. Johannesburg. Wander Stadium. New team. And a few months ago we lost to West Indies in the ODI World Cup. Right from the start. So in one year we saw two things. Highs of highs and lows of lows. When we went to the West Indies for the World Cup,

we were in the hotel for two days. We felt like we were dead. Everyone felt that way. All the team members. They were very upset. Last time we played the finals in 2003.

And what happened in four years? We were very upset. We had played the final in 2003.

And what happened in the last 4 years?

Everything was in a mess. And then 2007 T20 World Cup. Senior players refused to play T20 cricket. Many boys made a comeback. Yusuf Bhai also made a place in the team for the first time. I was playing for India A. We went to Nairobi and Zimbabwe. There were matches, Kenya and Zimbabwe.

So from there, this South Africa tour. It was very close to me because I had worked very hard. I missed the England tour. So in my heart, you talked about Malal, right? Not Malal, but it comes to mind. My strength was swing.

For a swing bowler, swinging condition means heaven. England is absolutely... England, South Africa, New Zealand. I didn't play a single test match. Not a single test match in these conditions. This is considered the paradise of swinging conditions.

Anyway, when the South African World Cup started, I was eager to make a comeback. I was bowling well in every match. Whereas my comeback was in front of Pakistan. I started with a maiden over. I outed Yunus Khan and Shoaib Malik. I got two wickets.

It was a league match. And from there, the young team, Mahendra Singh Dhoni, the captain, everyone was fighting, showing their skill. Because everyone has something to show the world. know, skill. ability He played very well. R.P. Singh was in a very good rhythm. He played very well in the World Cup. And Yusuf Pathan gets a chance in the final. He hits a sixer in the first over to Mohammad Asif.

So that passion won us the World Cup. And in the final, when I took out Afridi's wicket, after that celebration, people say that you don't get tired in 4 overs. I don't remember that I ever after scoring 15 or 18 overs in a day in a test match or in a Ranji Trophy,

I would have been as tired as I was after scoring 4 overs. I was tired. I mean, I had nothing left after that match. Was it so mentally exhausting? Both mentally and physically. Because it's a 20-over game. I didn't even bowl 10 overs before.

I am a man of the match of the World Cup final. I have come to bowl in the last 10 overs. 16 runs and 3 wickets. And when the match is stuck, I mean it's a different C-sore match. We didn't make many runs. Gautam had an amazing parry. I say this till today. And I genuinely say that we don't win a match without that. We don't win. That batting of Gautam Gambhir was very special on that pitch.

And because of that, the score we reached, it was a scoring score, not a winning score. There is a difference. We started in the first half, it was a great start. Imran Nazeer hit big shots to Shrishant.

Robin's run out was crucial. Then they got a partnership, so it felt like the game was going that way. Then when the match was going in the middle, Mizbah was coming, Mizbah was hitting sixes, so it felt like, where is the game going? Sohail Tanvir hadn't played a single ball in the entire World Cup.

He used to hit two sixes on two balls in the final. So I thought, what's going on? The match went to that side again. So it was a seesaw. Proper drama. I haven't seen a bigger drama than this. I haven't seen so much emotion in any match.

And that too in the World Cup final. You are playing that in front of Pakistan. Losing is not an option.

Never.

Losing is not an option. It's possible to lose, but there's no option. So many things are going on. I don't remember a second that I've walked anywhere. I'm running. I mean, I'm thinking about what to say to Dhoni, to Yuvi, to Bhaji.

We're controlling each other. But there are so many things going on in my mind. That I have to somehow win the match. So when those three wickets come, when we get the last moment, I'm standing on the square leg, Ms. Bawlak does a lap shot,

the gain goes up, until it comes down, it doesn't sit in the hand, until then it doesn't feel like we're in a fight. We're in a fight. And then the celebration after that, when we win,

I think then after that, the celebration, when we win, I think then our breath, the one that was stuck, comes down. Then we start breathing normally. I think it was one of the highest point of Indian cricket. Because IPL, when IPL came, it was different from the way it was planned. But because we won the T20 World Cup So people had to accept T20 cricket It was the first edition

We were not accepting it We were the nation that we accepted T20 cricket the latest So winning the T20 World Cup was very important in T20 cricket So the acceptance of the fans was very important And that happened And when IPL came, they took Indian cricket to a different level

Things changed completely. Let's answer some audience questions. Irfan bhai, my question is, when you were returning in 2012, there was a performance in Sri Lanka, when you took out 5 wickets. And you were playing against Pelican. What was the memory of that?

Because it was very important, you were playing a match there. What was the memory of that match? Because it was very important. You were injured in the 10th. You were out for a long time. It was very important for your return. Tell us about that match.

What is your name? Sukant. Sukant, when we went to Sri Lanka for a tour, I was not automatic in the team. But before that I had been to Australia I wasn't automatic in the team part of the tour But before that I had gone to Australia and I had done a very good performance

So suddenly when I didn't get the team part, it was a big push for me I had also batted well and got a victory So now when I didn't get a name in Sri Lanka, I felt like I should have got a name But Vinay got injured. Then I came in his place. And then when we started playing these matches,

I did a good performance. T20, one day, everything. But in the last match, the important match, getting these 5 wickets there, that was a great relief. Because it was a good wicket. It was a great wicket.

We were also making runs over 300. And making runs there is 300 chases. When I took out the wicket, we were fighting till the end. And the way the ball was fluttering, with a straight seam, late movement. Getting late movement on that pitch, I was feeling very good.

Because of the rhythm. So when I got 5 wickets, I felt very relaxed. And... I think Jeevan Mendis got a wicket in the quad. I think that was my 4th wicket. That was very crucial. Tishara was also out after the off-stream. So I think when you get a crucial wicket and the team wins,

the fun of getting 5 wickets doubles.

So...

It was very clear in terms of the rhythm. It was very good. And in the bowl, the round wicket, the last one I got, the fifth wicket, I mean, the regular gain was fluttering.

Yes. One more question, sir. Like, there are many performances about which there is a lot of discussion, there are many talks too, but there are some performances which are very close to the bowler, which that presentation was very special for you. It could have been one or two wickets, but it was very special.

What was that performance like?

So my career has run in two parts. I have got a game in the first half from the new game. And in the second half, I got the game in the first change. When I used to get a game in the second half, I got the ball in the first change. When I used to get the ball in the first change, I used to mentally take the responsibility of getting the first breakthrough for the team. I used to wear that on my sleeve.

I used to take it with a lot of pride and responsibility. If I get a new ball, I will be the first to break through. And mostly when I used to play with a new ball, you will see in my career, there were wickets in the first, second and third over. So that first wicket was always close to my heart,

no matter who it was.

Thank you, sir. Thank you so much.

Hello, sir. My question is related to your social media. You are very active on social media. And we have seen that the cricketers' family is very much into trolling on social media. Whether they are involved in the things that are being trolled on social media or not. We have seen that your wife is involved in meaningless things and trolls them. How do you think you tackle these things? And you you think being on social media is a very negative side? But the profession you come from, it is important to be able to give and keep your opinions on social media.

Let me add one more thing to this. You had tweeted a line that is very important. Yes, I am her mate, not her master. When a photo was posted from your son's account, in which your wife had posted her face, it

was very important. Yes, I am her mate, not her master. When a photo was posted on your son's account, in which your wife blurred her face. In India and all over the world, we have seen is that the fanatics interpret things in their own way. You have a very beautiful picture of yourself with your wife. She has posted a photo in which she has put her hand on her face and is posing like a Luka Chippy.

And she has also posted very bad comments like she is showing her nail paint and so on. of How do you deal with each other as a family? Do you read comments? How do you block mentally? Because you have one training, how to block a cricketer's bullying. But this is different.

This has family involved. So, at first, I felt bad. At first, I felt that this is not necessary. I mean, today, our wife, our partner, she is the leader of our family. I have seen my mother. She is the leader of our family. My father may be the leader outside but she is the leader inside the house.

Similarly, my wife is the leader of my family. So, when someone talks about my leader, it doesn't sound right. But this trolling has been done in very wrong way, and it's not right. When it happened in the beginning, our lady felt very bad. I would like to say that you should not read the comments. Because I know that I have said something that is very strong.

Suppose I know that this is my strong point, like I have learned a lot in commentary or in my personal life. If I have believed something, I used to tweet a lot, I used to post on the internet, I have stopped saying what I believe. I will come to that later. But I don't read comments. I don't read comments at all if I think what I have said is very strong. And there will be different points of view on this. Sorry, I didn't ask your name.

Riya.

Riya, your question about family, if I could, I would post photos of my family every day. But despite being a public figure, I am a very private person. I feel that you cannot put too much weight on our real happiness. Even my child's happiness. I mean, Mashallah, my kid, Suleiman and Imran, all of them think their kids are very beautiful, very cute.

I feel the same. I feel that he's the most handsome guy, you know, with curls and light eyes, and he's the most handsome guy, you know, with curls and light eyes and he's got the personality. Imran, his temperament is amazing. So, and wife, what makes my wife beautiful is not only the looks, but her character also.

She's got outstanding character, strong character. Where did you meet for the first time? On social media.

On Facebook, Instagram?

Sir, we met on social media and from there we did one thing.

I am sorry, I forgot to mention Tinder and all that. That too on social media. No, no, sir, don't go there. Come back, come back. Should I come to Snapchat? Come back.

Hey, tell me the name. Will there be an endorsement? On social media. We will send a fee to Zakarbakht. When we started talking, we didn't date.

When we met, we got engaged.

But you must be earning a lot of money. Then how did you shortlist? Sir, this is when we are told that a wife is made from her ribs. So meeting is not a matter of the past. It is a matter of the future. We are told that a wife is made from her ribs. So, meeting is already decided.

So, we met, sir. We met because of social media. No, no, don't cover it. No, no, I am not covering it.

Tell me easily.

Oh, sir.

You must be getting a lot of messages.

Yes.

A successful athlete of the Indian cricket team.

Yes.

He looks very looks beautiful too. So there must be no shortage of messages. Sometimes someone comes and says, I want to meet Preeti Jinta, but she's your fan.

Oh wow!

Is that so?

I didn't understand that. We heard a story that once a fan came and was very eager to meet you. And when she met you, she said, I am a fan of Preeti Hinta, please introduce me to her. Has this ever happened? My team did the research.

I don't remember.

During IPL.

Yes.

Anyway, let's come back to the point, where to talk about Dimae, brother. So how did you decide that I have to respond to this message from Safa's account? How do you feel that he has messaged you? Why do you feel that? I want you to tell me that you have messaged me. So that I can move the conversation forward.

I was the one who contacted you. But the reason I contacted you is because I have a version. Which is not right to say now when our partners are sitting next to us then you will really enjoy because their version and our version

is not exactly the same So when that is a different version then if it is not then it is not right to say it but we will say it in the next story Oh, when it came to brother, you left Yusuf Pathan ka version chod ke apna bata liya Are sir, Yusuf Pathan ke saath hum 40 saal se hai

Abhi 10 saal hone wale sir, kyu? Hum tasdik kar lenge unse, aap bata dijiye aapka version kya hai Humara version nahi hai, humne contact kiya tha Lekin us contact karne ka reason tha Kya tha? We will tell you when we meet. We can't tell you now, sir. Leave it. It's not a good thing, sir. I have to go home. I have to go home.

Now tell us a press conference version.

No, sir.

So, we contacted them because they wanted us to contact them.

Wow!

Wow! They had sent you a message. Just take it as it is. Tell us, sir. But we didn't date. He had sent a message to you. You can say that. Tell me. But we didn't date.

When we met, we got both our families together. We got engaged. And we got married in 6 months. It's going to be 10 years, sir. Decade. Many people write on social media

for you and many others. They are unable to accept it. They also talk about age gap. How do you look at it? I think they have come a step ahead in terms of understanding. So, you tell me sir, is it age or is it intelligence? Their understanding is more intelligent than his age. But I think the gap between 5 and 10 years is perfect.

Okay.

You know, we boys, how old are you? 42.

I am a year and a few months older than you.

So, there is not much difference. But you must have realized that your wife is more mature than you. Yes, absolutely. I knew this from day one. I was 23 and she was 21. I knew this since then. God has made them like that.

Their intelligence is on a different level. It takes time for us to get maturity. Do you know who gives us maturity? Our experiences. But in them, the maturity in our body is inbuilt.

Very mature response.

This man is sitting here and making numbers.

Sir, we will make numbers all our lives. We will not feel shy. We will not feel shy at all. So Saffa wanted you to like, that's why you are messaging her. Coming back to the point. So, that's it sir.

So, this is the question of going around. You got married and the photo that is going to come, this criticism, this and that. She still does that nail artist thing?

Yeah, yeah.

She does whatever she wants. She's the boss. Boss decides. Boss, I mean, we don't decide. Boss decides what they want to do. So whatever they want to do, whatever they want to do,

she's the lead. I'm the back and forth. Do you ever get scolded? If they do something wrong, then definitely. Like when was the last time you got a beating? I am a public figure.

So if they think that I have some etiquette publicly, I mean this is a very personal thing, but if it's not right,

Like?

In anything. I don't even understand without an example. No, you won't understand, but the ones who understand, who have been married for 10 years, example Don't cut this. Don't cut this. Keep it in the original. So, it's not right to give an example, but in anything. Because many times we have to look personal.

Yes, yes.

So, in the original, she will be the first person, Safa will be the first person to tell me that you are wrong. Always. And this is not a matter of one day. This is not a matter of one time. Whenever she feels that I am wrong, You are wrong. Always. I have cried 3-4 times in my life when Safa came and told me. It happens every day, sir.

But in big things. I have cried 3-4 times that I thought I was right. She came and told me that no, this could have happened. So I agreed.

Interesting.

So I gave you answers to many questions. Out of those, you said interesting 3-4 times. What does it mean to be an interesting observer? Whenever I feel like this, with all my guests, that they have gone back foot, because they were not asked this question,

or they had to go inside and dig a little, what should I answer, how much should I reveal, how much not. So, as a human being, you are sitting in front and you can see that there is a public profile and how it is answering. I feel that something is not being decoded immediately. So, I keep it in the interest range. Later on, it will be thought with satisfaction that why this kind of response came, why it didn't come.

In Sanskrit, there is a very beautiful word, vismai, of bewilderment. I'm a builder man. I'm a builder man. I'm a builder man. I'm a builder man. I'm a builder man. I'm a builder man. I'm a builder man. I'm a builder man. I'm a builder man. to I am completely open but I want to tell you about my personal life. Tell us professionally who was in number 3?

There is a reason for that too. One name came from there, Yadav, Sourav Gangli Give him the mic In the series Sri Lanka and Pakistan, four people played one down Sourav Gangli, Yuvraj Singh, Jaipur's Yadav And one more, maybe Ajit Agarkar But they haven't yet refused to take Yuvraj Singh's name the that the tree falls on the side where it is leaning.

This means that your root is not that strong, because you will fall. We play cricket on our own. Godfather said, no one. My father didn't even know where the office of Baroda Cricket Association was. He didn't know anyone.

We played cricket with our life, our hard work. We played cricket with a lot of strength. That's why whenever we talk today, we talk with a lot of strength. The backbone of the reed is very strong. We talk about what we believe in. The reason why that player because we didn't think about it.

We don't worry about naming him. It's a small thing, right? Rahim Dilli. We didn't name him. Nothing else. So, the interesting answer you which is your answer, you have got the answer to that. Yes, I remembered from Rehamdili, there is a politician, the Chief Minister of Bengal, Mamata Banerjee,

she does not show any mercy on her political opponents. She had a special problem with Congress leader Adhir Ranjan Choudhury, both were opponent. So, he used a trump card to deal with Adhir Ranjan Choudhury politically. He brought Indian cricketer Yusuf Pathan from Gujarat and got him to fight for the Mehrampur election. Now, we will ask Yusuf Pathan's questions to the MP. I just want to know from Irfan Pathan that when your elder brother decided to become a politician and choose a political party, did you have any discussion? It happened in my house, in Mumbai. I live in Mumbai now.

Yes.

When he came to my house, he said that you are interested, you have to join. It used to go in my mind sometimes. Whereas I have been asked since 2014 in different parties. Yes. But I think… So Why did you refuse BJP? There are many parties But you are from Barodra, Gujarat, you have a ruling party

Because I am not ready Bhai has a lot of patience Both can do the same work but Bhai has a lot of patience Bhai has a lot of patience, he has a lot of patience. He has a lot of ability to listen. He has a lot of passion to work. Already when he finishes his political career, or his political time, everyone will know how much he is working for people.

He will be seen. And he has only one job. He doesn't have to forget it. He has to work. People will keep talking What a lot of people will do. What about him? I'm already here. You have your battery. To mirror or maybe like a canada. I go to the country.

OK, bye. Joe or I'm. I said, you're a million. Talk to him. I get out of here. I'm going to say feel good. What must we say? So you will always feel that he is a safe feel. If you go in front of him, you will feel that he is a big brother.

You will also feel that. That is his character. So we know what kind of a person he is. He has worked hard here. My brother is very busy now. He travels. He has to go to Parliament. he has to go to his consulgency, he is in the

committee, he has to travel, he goes and he has to work hard, he learns, he is eager to learn. So we felt that it is absolutely right that he should do this. Because if you, I will not talk myself, but you will go into our family history, in our father's history, in our history, you will know that what we do without much advertisement. I have been associated with many organizations, charity organizations, but apart from that, we try to contribute

with our own funds, whatever we can contribute in society. So, we come from that background. My father used to earn Rs. 3500 per month after working for 15 hours. He used to give Zakat from that also. No one gives. If you don't have means, then you have the right to take Zakat, not to give.

My father used to take out 2.5% Zakat from that also. So we saw that thing, always the hand was like this, not like this. We came from that background. So we felt that brother should do that thing to contribute. Because eventually it is Seva, our stomach is full. And the person whose stomach is full, he worries about others' stomach, not his own.

So, you and Safa agreed that he should join? Yes, and he agreed.

And what did your parents say?

They agreed. Immediately. No one opposed you at home? No. My father, mother, everyone agreed.

And when you got the offer?

I thought I wasn't ready. I got the offer in 2014, I was playing. After that BJP came.

Who called you?

Ahmed Bhai was alive then. Ahmed Bhai always used to say, Ahmed Patel, you fight. After that, I got a call from another party. Who called you from there? He came.

So, Congress and BJP both wanted Irfan Pathan to run. There were other parties too, but at different times and different years.

Is there any scope for further development?

I think if I have a lot of patience, then I have to work for people. I am already working. Why do you eventually go into politics? There are different reasons. To serve people and to be a part of policy making. Because you are going to be the lawmaker.

That is the real reason. Yes. Lawmaker and basically to create a difference for people. To move the country forward. To take it in the right direction. That is what a leader does, right?

Yes.

That thought is there. That thought is not something that never existed. That thought has always been there. But you need a lot of patience in politics. Your door will be open for everyone. You know that he is a thief.

But you have to keep the door open. You know that this man brings a little energy. You have to keep the door open. You know that this man brings that kind of energy. You have to keep the door open. You have to meet everyone with a lot of patience. You are talking about patience. My last question.

People said that the cricketers thought that Irrfan Pathan and his swing were amazing. But the problem was that he took advice from many people. Irfan Pathan and his swing, he did it wonderfully. But the problem was that he took advice from many people.

He took advice from Denis Leary, he took advice from Waqar Yunus, he took advice from some Western-Indies bowlers. In this process, instead of one Guru, he got influenced by many Guru sadhna. Do you agree with this analysis? How is the advice? Today, any cricketer

takes advice from everyone.

He will take it from everyone.

There is a match in Nagpur. I am doing commentary. Mohammad Shami is at his peak. He is talking to me. I was on a break of commentary. He said, you used to do this, right? Because he wanted to learn a new ball.

So I shared my experience. him. It's a matter of our mutual understanding. So he is at his peak. He is talking to me because he feels that I can give him some advice with which he can try and put some more arrows in his target to improve himself. Great Sachin Tendulkar He was always a bowler. In Pakistan, in 2004, he was batting for the first time

so I started a new ball. He was playing in the net for a long time and I beat him in the net. It was a big thing. It was not possible to beat him. You can't beat him in the net.

So I asked him, how did you do it? He asked me after the net, my bat was coming like this and I was watching. Such a big person is talking like this and asking such questions. I have learned nothing from him. Neither before nor today, nor in the future. There is nothing in front of him, he is such a big player.

He is asking, if my bat came like this, could I do this? What answer should I give now? Even such a big man like me learns. Last, when I was 52 years old, I used to play cricket. I used to ask him, is my bat ok? Is my bat ok?

He doesn't need it. No one has scored more than him. So you learn, you talk to each other. So the environment that is created, where does it come from? It comes from the mic, it's made by them. And that environment continues.

From 2004 to 2006, I had scored 200 wickets in international cricket. I have scored only 300 wickets in my career. But in those 200 wickets, no one in the entire international world, in international cricket, Australia, South Africa, Pakistan,

no one had scored 200 wickets. No fast bowler. During that time, during the time I had scored, Pakistan, no one had taken 200 wickets, no fast bowler. During that time, I used to bowl a new ball. After 2007, I have not bowled a new ball regularly, I have bowled a first change. When you change your position, the numbers also change.

Virat Kohli bats number 3 in his career, he opens it. You bat at number 7, his numbers will change. They will change, right? Why will they change? Suppose, I take an example of IPL. Virat Kohli is batting at number 7. Out of 14, batting will not come 5 times. Because 20 overs will end before that. So 5 opportunities will go.

Which will not miss even once while opening. Maybe it will go once or twice because of the rain. 5 opportunities were missed 2-3 times such opportunities will come when 2 overs are left you have to play fast how many are left? 4-5 times

can you make 50-50-50 4-5 times? it is a difficult task when the position changes in cricket, the numbers also change so no one said that Irfan Pathan doesn't bowl with the new ball, he is bowling on number 3, he is bowling on first change, he is bowling on fourth change, so his numbers will also change.

So things change. Things do change. Do you ever go to Shukarwar Bazaar? I used to go before. I used to go to buy shoes. That was a time. Sir, when you have a salary of Rs. 3500 for a month and a shoe worth Rs. 550, bowling spikes,

you try to get a shoe worth Rs. 200. So I used to go without any shame. There is no shame in it. But, think about it, my father would have such a big heart. Two children,

shoes for Rs. 550 and Rs. 550, spikes, Rs. 1100, clothes, half of the salary will go to their belongings Half of a month's salary, 50% If they refused at that time, what would I do? Would I sit in front of you?

I wouldn't be able to sit. Would I play cricket? Would I represent the country? I wouldn't be able to do it. My father's heart must have been so big at that time At that time, now on social media you get mercy, you get compassion. Someone sees a video that you have to become such a father, such a mother, you have to be compassionate, you have to think about them.

At that time, when there was no social media, there was a saying that it would affect my studies, I don't have much means, but I am allowing kids to play cricket. How big a heart and patience was our parents' and my parents' too. Both agreed. How big a thing. That's why when you see pictures of your family where you are with your parents,

they are pictures with a lot of endearment. Very lovely. No matter how successful a person is, everyone wants the glory of their share.

Everyone wants the glory of their share.

Absolutely. And I think that gives me a does is right. He never thought like this, but since 2009 I have been thinking this way. There has not been a single day when I have felt that my father is not right. He is always right. Always. He will always be right. He will always be number one. And that thing has never changed. We call him Khan Sahib.

I call him Abba We call him Khan Sahib. I call my father Khan Sahib very rarely. He has his own style.

Interesting.

Which one was the most interesting? This one is very inspiring. Because when you were talking about your father, I was thinking about my father. We sons talk a lot about our mothers. We talk less about our fathers.

And we tell our fathers very little how grateful we are, how thankful we are that whatever they have achieved, they have always given us more than that. And they smiled more at our actions,

at our achievements than we did. We didn't say it in front of them, but we felt a lot of pride behind our backs. Mothers tell us that their fathers were saying this about us, and we keep complaining that why don't they say it in front of us? They keep playing the role of strictness in front of us. But in our lives, if mothers are like the water that nourishes us,

then fathers are like the hard ground on which we have learnt to walk. If there is a heaven under the mother's feet, then the father is the door to that heaven. So keep that door very carefully. So ladies and gentlemen, the point is that whatever you have in life, it is because of them that you have reached this stage.

First of all, our parents should be told this thing. They should be hugged, kissed on their foreheads. Sometimes, they should be played with children. And sometimes, despite all their achievements and age, they should be treated like children. They should be put on their lap in their lap, be stubborn with them

and fulfill all their desires. Because whatever is in life, is first and foremost because of parents. This conversation ends here in the guest in the newsroom. Irfan Pathan Sahab, you gave us so much time,

shared so many things with us, personal and professional. We wish you all the best and thank you so much. And you stay active in the comment box. And if you want, you can also come to the political pitch in the future.

Welcome.

Thank you. Thank you very much. Do you think I should come? Yes, I think that every person who has a full stomach and who is not coming to politics to fill their stomachs, not just for fame and fame, who can think independently,

all of them should come to politics. Because if someone says that it is apolitical, it is not so. Every second you make a choice, and it is a very bloody political choice. Will you drink coffee or tea?

Which clothes will you wear? Which words will you use? Which belief system you will follow. Everything is surrounded by politics. Whatever I will do in my life, in the future or now, I will always do it to create a difference. And if I am not able to do it, then I will not do it.

That's all for today's guest in the newsroom. If Irrfan Pathan comes in politics, then the political questions will start in Jamghat. If Irrfan Pathan comes in politics, then the political questions will start in Jamghat. That's all for now. Take care and continue the conversation. Thank you so much.