Search for Nancy Guthrie in desert intensifies, subject questioned and released - what changed?

Hey guys, thanks so much for checking out my show. I really, really appreciate it. Please click to subscribe. I appreciate all the support. I'm of course still in Tucson, Arizona. I'm outside Nancy Guthrie's house right here. You can see all the media across the street. There's been a lot going on over the last 12 hours or so that I want to get to. First of all, law enforcement was back at Annie Guthrie's house just a little while ago. Right now it's, gosh, I'm losing track of my days. It's Wednesday, depending on when you're watching this story

or watching this show, this episode. Annie, they were back at Annie Guthrie's house. There were two law enforcement agents that showed up in a gray SUV. They went inside the house. They came outside the house with latex gloves on and they were

holding a brown bag. They were not in the house for long and then they also went and got mail out of the mailbox again wearing the gloves and then they left. So it was not like what we saw on Saturday night where they were there for three hours and we saw pictures being taken inside. That wasn't the case. It was quick. They went in, they had gloves on, they came out with a brown bag, and then they also checked the mail.

So that is the latest development that happened at Annie's house. The FBI today is reporting that they are going to be doing ground searches along roadways in the Catalina foothills around where Nancy and Annie live. And when I was out at Annie's house yesterday and I saw the FBI going door to door, they asked one of the neighbors for permission to search

and then the neighbor said, well, what are you looking for? And they said, something that may have been dropped, which makes me think when you look back at those pictures of the suspect, what he was wearing, and then the mask, the backpack, the gloves, all that. Are they looking to see if something was maybe thrown out of a car window? Because we know today the search is specifically directed along roadways.

So that's the latest from the FBI. Pima County Sheriff's Office says that there will be no updates today, no briefings unless there's a development, which kind of surprised me in light of what happened last night. You guys remember they had that person detained who has since been let go. I raced out an hour away from Tucson,

very, very close to the Mexico border. I went like, I shouldn't say this, but I was going like a hundred miles an hour trying to get there when I got the tip that they had this person detained. There was a federal search warrant

that was being executed at the house. The family members of the guy were like, there's no way he's involved in Nancy Guthrie. We don't know about the case. He wasn't out of town last weekend. He doesn't know anything about Bitcoin. And I talked to them and come to find out a few hours later he was released. He was detained and then released.

And it appears he has nothing to do with the case. Although we'll have to see. I mean they must have had something in that search warrant to be able to go search the house and detain him. So I'll stay on top of that, try to figure out how all of that sorts out today. But again, I was hoping there'd be some kind of press briefing from the sheriff and that doesn't appear like it's going to happen. I want to go to Kurt Dabb, who is a longtime, was a longtime homicide detective here in Pima County, to help me break down these latest developments, especially what happened last night

with this man being detained, and sort of what he thinks about where things are gonna go from here. What do you make of what happened last night? I mean, we raced down to, you know, near the Mexico border.

You know, they had him detained, and then now he was now he walked out. What do you think happened there?

I don't know what lead specifically led them to that individual. Extremely grateful for the technology that the FBI has to recover some video, and I'm hoping that they have other video that they're holding back. But yeah, it was a complete surprise to me. I saw the detention last night and I went to bed and woke up this morning

and praying that it was the suspect and then that individual was released. So what often happens in homicide investigations, you have to follow leads as they come in. Earlier in our other interview, I spoke about, you have to start working that circle outwards, right?

And I mentioned Uber drivers, delivery drivers. So I'm guessing that's what that individual was. I listened to his interview. He may or may not have delivered a package in that area. So it's good to see that they're following up on the investigation on the leads.

And with a situation like this, you know, you know that t because you saw it on the law enforcement, we forma they have to take precaut surprised me the amount o

type of um units that the detention. Um, but that's what happens. Leads are gonna pan out and they're not gonna pan out. So you have to suss everyone out.

In your experience, they did a search warrant at the house. They had him detained. They got him at a traffic stop. They took him back to headquarters. Would that have indicated that they thought they had something significant?

I mean, you don't just do that

to every other Uber driver, right? Yeah, no, you're not just gonna detain somebody and transport them back somewhere. But again, they were following up on a lead and I think we can extrapolate from what's been going on that he was a delivery driver. He may or may not have been in that area.

I'm assuming he probably was. They're just not, I used to tell bad guys this all the time. Look, I didn't just pick your name out of a phone book randomly, right? So he was a delivery driver, was in the neighborhood, and they were following up on the lead

on a potentially armed and dangerous individual.

What's your sense on where things stand now? Because I don't know, you know, one of my buddies in the FBI was saying we don't ever, and he's not involved in this case, but he was saying we don't like to release photos. Like if the FBI is releasing photos, it means that they actually need help.

Yeah. And it's the same way with the Sheriff's Department. You know, if we're tracking, you know, a suspect, you can look at it either way, ri you have a suspect and yo you're more than likely g that individual, meaning surveilling him. And a lo

something in the media to out of the individual tha for. Um, whether or not t last night, I'm not sure was the case sure. Um, but you know, t

you because he was pulled he lived. I found out whe Do you think that means t surveillance? Like what d eyes on him before this a happened where they decid

assuming so yes, because have a named individual t you're looking into. And again, you know, this person at that time was an investigative lead. So you can't just out of the blue decide to go drive somewhere and hope that the individual is going to be where you think they're going to be. So I would assume that they had some type of surveillance. I understand the FBI brought in a bunch more people yesterday or the day before.

Maybe it was FBI information that they were acting on, contacted the Sheriff's Department, said, hey, let's roll. I don't know if that's what the case was, but it possibly could be.

Do you think that there could be other people under surveillance right now? What does your gut tell you?

I would hope so, but that's just my guess. Everybody has theories about what's going on and theories are like, everyone has one. So your theory is as good as mine and I'm just hoping that they're, I'm hoping they have information

that they haven't released yet, that they're utilizing to further the investigation, whether it's surveillance, whether it's like yesterday, walking around, you know, picking up or doing an article search.

That's what they were doing. They were looking for an article of something that maybe the kidnapper had discarded, so.

We were told last night out there that the sheriff had been there. He was gone by the time we got there. Ben to the place where they were.

Rico, Rico.

Is that significant? I mean, no.

And I'm sorry that I laugh, but when you're a detective working case or you're an officer working, working a case, the last thing that you want is to have the sheriff show up. Um a especially a homicide bec

involved and we're trying investigation that is done by step. And when you hav know, come out there, tha on the detectives, you know, and officers and deputies that are investigating.

So I think it's a little bit weird, but, you know, he's the sheriff. He can, you know, show up wherever he wants.

The search that we saw yesterday near Annie's house, like all the FBI agents going in the yards, and then they just put out another release, the FBI did, that they're going to be searching along roadways in this area. What does that indicate or does it indicate anything?

That's what they're looking, they're doing an article search. So what they're trying to prove or disprove, confirm or disprove is that the individual may have discarded a pair of gloves as they're driving away, right? You can picture someone driving away and discarding clothing. I mean, that individual looked like he had,

to me, it looked like he had a couple of jackets on. It definitely appeared that he had more than one pair of latex gloves, which leads me to believe that he was extremely careful in concealing his DNA. So what they're doing with the article search

is walking up and down the roadway, probably 50 feet on either side of the roadway, just to see if there's anything in there. What struck me was that they were doing it back in Nancy and, or Annie and Tommaso's neighborhood. It was like right after the video came out,

then next thing you know, there's 25, 50 law enforcement officials doing an article search. So I was curious what prompted that.

It may be not a coincidence.

It might not be. But again, I had mentioned the brother-in-law before. Again, it's that inner circle. You have to prove or disprove. And as the sheriff said, you know, the last press conference nearly a week ago,

everybody is a suspect. So I don't know. I don't know if they had any information to cause them to go back there.

Are you surprised we haven't seen the sheriff in a long time?

I'm surprised that there was not a press conference last night or this morning by the sheriff because he said on Facebook or on the sheriff's webpage if there are any significant activities, we're not going to have a press conference until there's significant activity. Well, I think last night was a significant amount of activity.

Do you think that's an indication the FBI is in control?

Whether or not they're in control, I don't know. Is it an indicator of them being in control? Whether or not they're in control, I don't know. Is it an indicator of them being in control? You could say yes, but you could also say no, because realistically, this is not an FBI case. We don't have any proof that this alleged kidnapping crossed state lines, which would, in fact, turn it into a federal case.

As far as I know right now, the Sheriff's Department is running the investigation, but those three letters do hold some weight. So it's possible.

In your experience working cases, I mean, we're 11 days in, what does that mean? What does this window mean? Does it get more difficult? Is it not a good sign that it's been

really almost two weeks now?

Yeah, well, I was having a conversation yesterday about this very thing. You know, as the days progress, you're going to run out of leads unless stuff keeps coming in. So with the release of that video, obviously it's going to generate leads for, you know, the next couple of days and if they release something else even further out. But absent any new l department, you know, we

bigger than three or four keep everybody focused on So initially it was a lot involved from different u Sheriff's Department, dif patrol units, a lot of people working overtime

But you can't do that in perpetuity You have to shrink the amount of manpower and that's going to be based on the amount of leads So once that manpower gets you know keep shrinking and it's basically down to just a homicide unit

You know, that's when cases go cold. Well, maybe with people in, that'll help m

Maybe. But again, it's no their investigation yet. over, you know, come in l you know, take over a cas jurisdiction. And as far they don't have any jur. I'm extremely grateful, and I'm sure the family is as well, and all of America,

that the FBI is assisting with the technological aspects, because they're able to do things that we can't even fathom. So I hope that they're continuing with the videos. I would like to see more video. If they have a clear picture, you know, put it out because that's going to generate leads. Because once the leads

start, stop coming in, the amount, the task force is going to shrink and the case is going to go cold. So by releasing more information is the only way to keep the

case going. And just lastly, Kash Patel said last night that they have, he used plural, like multiple people that they're looking at. Which I guess would go back to what you said, that there's probably different avenues.

Yeah, there's, I mean, look, like I said, you start in that inner circle. You start with the family, you start with any caregivers. Did they have any work done on the house? You know, the Uber driver, how many Uber drivers. So there's a lot of people that they can interview. I think they've done a pretty good job

of canvassing the neighborhoods. If someone in the neighborhood would have seen something, I'm sure by now, you know, they would have said something.

And one other thing I thought of, a lot of people have been asking me, they're like, are people scared in Tucson? Are people in the neighborhood scared? And it's been my kind of feeling that they're not. Yeah, I don't think. Which is kind of interesting.

I don't think anybody's scared, you know, up here. This is not something that occurs all the time. You know, I don't think that there's any concern for the general public based on this one individual case. It appears that it's isolated. The idiot that was at the door walking up, I mean, he looked like a buffoon.

I know previously, you know, I said this is, you know, I think a professional deal, and it still may be, but that individual that walked up to the door and tried to cover the camera, he was completely unprepared, but he was extremely comfortable. He wasn't looking around, you know, he wasn't, he was extremely comfortable being there,

almost like he knew that there was nothing to worry about.

Yeah, that's a good point. He wasn't darting around and looking behind a million times to see if anyone was driving by.

Yeah, and it wasn't like a normal home invasion where, you know, guys, you know, multiple individuals are coming and kicking doors an or hammers or pry bars. H that what I would like to inside the house. That is

huge key, huge question f

awesome. No, I mean, I'm Did you, from what you ha you heard anything that l night's operation was mostly conducted by the FBI?

Yeah, I did hear some some information from some contacts that I have that last night, you know, was an FBI garnered the information and set the movement in action and utilizing the Sheriff's Department SWAT team and you

know, other agencies agencies to help track that guy down. So again, not that the FBI has control, but if they come up with something because they're working a technological aspect or the technical aspect of it, they may have information and it's actionable and it needs to be worked on right now. So they may have said, hey, this is what we got, let's go.

And they mounted up the troops and rolled out.

Hey, thank you so much.

You're welcome.

Appreciate your time, sir. Thank you. I really, really appreciate Kurt for talking with me. I actually hear a helicopter right now, which is a, basically the Sheriff's Office helicopter has been in this area a lot searching.

It's so sunny out today, the way and hot today. So it's it's it's tough conditions for these search crews out here in the desert and there's a lot of them now. Again I told you more more FBI agents have been showing up. I also met up with Rick Casagar. He is the former undersheriff here in Pima County. He was there for 40 40 plus years working for the Pima County Sheriff's Office. And he has been a great resource because he knows the area very, very well. He knows the landscape very, very well.

And he has some interesting theories about why he believes Nancy Guthrie is still alive. He took me on a drive around this area near Nancy's house. So I wanted to, I think he's got a lot of good insights. So I wanted to introduce you guys to him.

Interestingly, Savannah began here in her career working for KVOA, the NBC affiliate here. And she was a, you know, fresh out of college. She's an attorney as well. She went to the U of A here. And when she cut her teeth in Tucson and she and I

interacted dozens of times on stories that were going on involving the Sheriff's Department.

So you know Savannah? Oh sure. So that must make this even more. It makes it, I was so happy for her making it big,

you know, local kid makes it big. It was really nice to see that, delighted for her. She's such a sweetheart and a good, good-hearted person, caring, deferential, compassionate in what she does, just a neat lady. One of the things I see or saw that happened was this Sheriff's Department, which has talented people, but it's my opinion that once they knew

that this was not an individual who walked away and might have succumbed to the desert, once they knew this was an abduction or a kidnapping, the federal entities should have been called in. And it's my opinion that the FBI should be charged with this investigation and this Sheriff's Department should subordinate itself to the FBI. Now the local elements are clearly an aspect that are needed and the Sheriff's Department has that capability to provide that but we don't

have forensics like the FBI has. We don't have those who can look at personality types that might commit this kind of crime. And it should have been recognized initially that once this is labeled an abduction, get a task force together and bring on the FBI and ask them to take it over. Why do you think that didn't happen? unfortunately, the the sheriff Chris Nanos has a an exorbitant ego and He in one case I can think of prior to this one told the FBI

He's the better of it an investigator and he doesn't need their help and that was a critical case that we needed their help with This one in particular they have far more resources than the sheriff's department has you know this this county? is Was established in 1865. It's a big county and law enforcement has been an element to it for decades and decades.

And it has a lot of experienced people and talented people, but not the resources that the federal agencies have. So it's apparent that perhaps Nancy was abducted. It's apparent that she was likely injured in the process. It's apparent that somebody did it for a reason. We don't know. There seems to be the thought that there's money involved in Bitcoin. And, you know, I'm sitting back in my experiences of 46 years in law enforcement asking,

well, why is it $6 million? Why isn't it $3 million or $10 million? And why is it labeled US dollars? What does that tell me? And I'm asking myself, where are they keeping, you know, Nancy. The logistics involved in keeping a person safe, if in fact you want to turn that person

over safe to get money, is complicated.

Do you think though that the ransom element could just be wrong? I mean that they're moving on from that? Are you hearing anything? Because it seems like based on Savannah's last video and some of the messaging from the FBI and the Sheriff's office last night that they may be following other leads now, something totally different.

Well, certainly, and they've gone back to the scene to look at the vegetation of the desert in and around the home. I would have hoped that that was initially inspected in such detail that they look for footprints, you look for downtrodden areas in the desert and as you can see that's not necessarily an easy thing to do. Is this a kidnapping? I don't know. Why would they have her this length of time if in fact the family has decided to

pay and they want her back. What has happened? What is, is there another nefarious intent here? Is somebody angry at the family for some reason? And we don't know that. I don't know that.

I would be asking those questions. I would be looking at the cameras that go in and out of this jurisdiction to the border of Mexico. You know, the first night, if she was taken, and presumably by a vehicle, where are the tire tracks? Did they head to the border with her and cross somewhere into Mexico.

Do you think they even looked for a tire track? I mean, it just seemed so rushed in the beginning

and they opened everything back up.

I think the initial thinking was, this is another elderly person who's wandered away and that happens in the desert often. That type of a situation happens. And the resources that were called out initially, search and rescue folks, people on foot, investigators,

the Sheriff's Department has a homicide team and one of their ancillary responsibilities is to look for missing people and start delving into it. But it's clear to me that the evidence that they found at that house was indicative of an abduction and a crime.

That was clear to me. And I'm not looking at the case. I don't know the specifics. So I think there's some flailing of arms, literally, going on in an investigation that's unclear. Sadly I know Chris Nanos, the sheriff, and his personality type and his need to micromanage and he stifles creativity because of the way he interacts with his talent and that is not necessarily a positive thing when

you have an investigation of this this sort you need resources you need

outside looks at this. Is he still, do you think that sheriff's office is still in charge? Do you know? Because it's kind of hard. On the outside, he's quieted down a lot. And the FBI seems like they are taking over some aspects.

Well, they're supporting and I've heard the sheriff say that our partners, our federal partners, which infers that they're involved in this. It's my opinion they should be the lead.

Is it just an ego thing? Yes.

That is my opinion. It's an ego thing. And I have seen that play out with that personality, Chris Nanos, a number of times in my career. And it's not helpful. Sometimes you need to back up, reassess,

and consider what other resources might be available and call on those.

Is it true that the homicide team is inexperienced?

It is true. They're less experienced than previous homicide details, but a lot of folks have retired, myself included.

I mean, how inexperienced?

There, to my understanding, there's a number of them that have only been in their positions a couple of years, and that is not enough experience to deal with this type of a crime. It's, you know, to abduct an elderly person and demand money is, I can't recall in 46 years

of law enforcement service a case like that ever occurring. Ever. And that's troubling. But who has the experience? And I think the federal agencies do. And they should have been called in earlier, in my opinion.

There's reports now that they're DNA swabbing, you know, people who worked in Nancy's house, that kind of thing. Is that pretty typical? Yes. That doesn't mean that those people would be suspects,

I don't think, right? I mean, it's just, they're probably just trying to, well, what do you think?

I believe that if it's being done now, should have been done a long time ago. I'm sure that there are support individuals that have come in, whether they have medical, nurse visits as an example, those people need to be talked to,

landscapers need to be talked to, landscapers need to be talked to, the pool keeper needs to be talked to, DNA pulled from all of those is important because if you've got an unknown DNA, which perhaps they do, I don't know whether they do or don't, you need to exclude or look at a match.

Yeah, that would make sense. You mentioned how big the county is. I mean, until you're here, you don't really realize it, how vast it is and there's the map. It's tough terrain. And for people at home who don't know,

I mean, just describe it a little and how big is it?

This county, Pima County, named after the Pima Indians, is 9,241 square miles. That is huge. There's a town 150 miles from where we are right now that's still within the county. The county has a border, direct border with Mexico, and that's miles and miles, tens and tens of miles long. The county is bigger than some states along the East Coast, New Hampshire, Connecticut, Rhode Island, and it requires a special type of policing.

You know, one officer might have a need and could be 30 miles away. And that's not easy to get there quickly. So the topography, as you can see, we're heading into the Saguaro Monument, is another challenge. The desert is not necessarily, it's beautiful, but it's not always friendly. There are a number of risks out there with thorny bushes and cactus and poisonous animals that

you know do hurt people that go out in it. So the search and rescue capability of the Sheriff's Department is pretty busy. They're always busy. They're always searching for something.

Do you know what happened with the plane? I've heard some reports that the plane didn't get up right away because of a beef with the Sheriff and the pilot. Is that true?

Well, I don't know it to be true. I've heard the same thing. It's my understanding he dismissed the pilot that was going to fly the night that she was missing. It's my understanding that that same pilot contacted via a chain of command the sheriff

and said, look, you have a need. We have aircraft available. Can I go? And he declined is what I've been told. I don't know that to be true, but that sounds like what the sheriff would do.

Do people know that Nancy Guthrie, I mean, I'm just, you know, I'm trying to think about like why this may have happened. And obviously Nancy's daughter is Savannah and people know she has money, do do people in town in Tucson know that Nancy Guthrie lives here and where she lives is this is she known in that way

to be Savannah's mom? Yes I think the vast majority of people who pay attention to what's going on in this community know that Savannah grew up here went to school here, and her mother lives here. I think a lot of them know that. I don't know that they personally know Nancy, but certainly they know of Savannah and the

success that she has had in her career, and she's brought a sense of pride to this community because we're all proud of what Savannah has done. And we want to band together and deal with this unusual situation and get Nancy back to the family.

Let's talk about the geography here.

Well, what you're looking at is really typical desert right now and obviously everybody recognizes saguaro cactus and we're gonna see a lot more but some of the other shrubbery around here like these spiny things that are tall to my left those are called ocotillo and if you looked closely at, they all have spines on them. There's mesquite brush here, palo verde trees, which actually the name is Spanish for a green

tree. That's one of those right there. Don't know that you wanted a tour necessarily. People have heard about certain cactus that jump off at you and stick to you and those are actually called jumping choyo

And I'll show you one when we get around. I'm just thinking though like and I hope Nancy's alive somewhere I mean obviously we all you know, but When I look at this There's a lot of places to hide something

There there is the topography is extreme. We're at 3,000 feet in elevation, right where we're at right now. And there's a mountain in front of us that goes up to close to 7,000 feet. And there's a mountain to the north of us that goes almost

10,000 feet. And everything in between creates a topography that's a challenge. And as I was mentioning earlier, the search and rescue team for the Sheriff's Department has really difficult times in trying to locate people who come to this part of the country ill-prepared, without water, get lost, and...

Do people just vanish and you never find them?

Well they, yes, that's happened. Typically they're found, but in many instances they're found deceased because they were ill-prepared, they didn't have enough water. In the summer you could have 8% humidity and 115 degree temperature. That will kill you very

quickly. So do you have a, I mean I hate to say gut feeling, but based on the people you know and you obviously still know a lot of people, you were at the Sheriff's office for

how long? 46 years. 46 years. What is your gut telling you right now? My gut is telling me that she's still alive. Really? And that the people who are holding her are trying to manage the logistics to get what they want, which presumably is money, and then safely return her. That's my gut.

So you think it was a kidnap, like a legit kidnapping?

Yes.

Yeah. That is the most logical outcome for this case. But there are certainly other possibilities and you have, one could be she was taken to spite some member of the family. We don't know that. But that certainly is an area that needs to be addressed

and looked at.

But I just wonder why, I mean, it just seems like there'd be other people you could kidnap that would be easier, that are connected to more money, than just this older woman who needs medicine, is difficult, can't walk very well.

Right. You know what I mean?

Yes, I think as I've intimated, the logistics involved in keeping her now into week two, just healthy and alive, is extremely difficult. And who could do that? And where would you keep her? This particular case has gotten national, even international

coverage. I think Nancy's face is extremely easy to recognize. How do you take her to some place if in fact you need to get care for her or have her eat or use the restroom?

Would it be easy to get her into Mexico?

Yes it would. There are heavily traveled border areas that you go down and the United States Border Patrol pretty much gives you access without much question and the Mexican authorities on the other side are typically they won't question you. You just go in and it's highly likely she could be in Mexico. It's my opinion that might be one of the places that would logically make some sense to deal with her

until what they want, what they're demanding is satisfied.

If you were still at the Sheriff's office, I mean, what would you have done differently? Would you have taken help from more people early on? And how important is it in those first couple of days

to do that?

It's critical in the first couple of days. And yes, I would have taken things differently in a different course. I would have called on a task force. And the whole idea is to collaborate with other people who may have other ideas and other input

and other input and other experiences in law enforcement that could come to the table to compile all of this as a strategy to try to deal with this. The longer we this Sheriff's Department takes to try and resolve this, the more difficult it may become

because there are medical issues with her and the need for her to get that attention, medical attention. I would have called in the FBI very early on and as we have now learned, this was considered to be an abduction, kidnapping initially. Well within the

scenes the first 24 hours they were coming to that conclusion and the sheriff was, for reasons I don't clearly understand, was withholding detail that came out later that could have come out sooner and he could have enlisted the help of the resources I've mentioned earlier like the FBI and their forensic capabilities not just electronically but certainly with you know the the evidence that's at the scene they could have helped with that

could have helped expedite that. Yeah, I was thinking about just motives, you know, it's like money. For these kinds of things, and based on other stories we've covered. Money, sex, vengeance, you know, vendetta. Do you think it could be like a vendetta or vengeance against someone else in the family that maybe doesn't have anything to do with Savannah Guthrie?

It could be. I mean, all of those situations or motives are certainly possible. A lot of people keep drawing to Savannah and her notoriety as being the impetus for this crime. That's not necessarily something you would want to solely focus on because there are certainly other possibilities. Has someone in the family been or angered somebody else to cause them to do this? Those are things that need to be thoroughly vetted and that's what police investigation is. Talk to the brother, talk to the sister, talk to any

other siblings, caretakers as we've discussed before.

I really appreciate Rick for taking the time to talk with me. I'm gonna obviously be staying on this, see what develops today and keep you guys posted with any developments. You guys know I'll post right away YouTube I'm on tick-tock Also on News Nation pretty much every hour And if anything pops, you know, I'll just like last night. I just got in the car and Rushed to that area near the border. I mean I

Was going like I was kind of I was like I need to slow down I was going like a hundred miles per hour in my little rental SUV. But I was trying to get there fast just because at that point we still thought that something may have been something really really serious. Again now it seems like this person was let go and it may have just been some kind of mistake. Although we'll see. Hopefully we'll get more information today. I'll keep you guys posted. Thanks again for for checking out my channel and again, as I always say, I really my heart goes out to the Guthrie family and

Please take another good look at the photos if you recognize anything Please take another good look at the photos if you recognize anything Call the FBI and hopefully we can have a positive resolution to this whole thing. Alright, I'll talk to you guys later