"SICKENING!" Harry & Meghan UK Trip CONFIRMED & King Charles Tax Revelation | With Piers Morgan

What we saw in Australia earlier this year, I think, was the dummy run for what we're probably going to see when the Sussexes get into town.From Harry's perspective, if he wants reconciliation, he misses his home country.He wants to spend time with his wider family.The big question, of course, is where Megan fits in with all of this.

Maybe the word sorry should come first.Come on.I mean, you know, he let rip at his family.

This is going to be the blueprint for future visits.It has to go well.

It's not going to be out there amongst the public.Last time they were out amongst the public, there was a couple of people that booed.There were a few people that turned their back on them.But I don't think the entire royal family have forgiven and forgotten.They don't trust them.

Period.They just don't trust them.I mean, Harry to them is like Brooklyn Beckham is to the Beckhams.Why should they be allowed to march around the world with unofficial royal visits, making tons of money for themselves in the process, without doing any royal duty whatsoever?

Why should we pay?This week on the Royals Uncensored, the King of Diplomacy, Charles took care of Trump.Now he's taking on Harry and Meghan.And with their controversial UK tour just weeks away, the King may foot their security bill and could even let them stay on royal grounds.Will Prince William join the royal rapprochement or deepen the royal rift?We'll tell you what we know.

And Piers Morgan will be here to tell us what he thinks.Of course he will.Also coming up, the King reveals his tax bill in an unprecedented move.fit for a modern monarch.And we'll tell you why Prince William is on a London bus with conservationist Robert Irwin.I'm Katie Nicholl.

And I'm Jo Elvin.And alongside us is our co -host and resident royal butler and the only man who spent less time on a bus than Prince William.It's our own Grant Harold.And joining us in the studio this week is the royal journalist and author Robert Jobson.Wow.He's a powerhouse of all royal knowledge and you can find his Substack at the Royal Editor on Substack.

And also joining us on the show this week is the justwho broke the news about Harry and Meghan's planned trip to the UK.I'm delighted to say we're joined by entertainment and royal reporter at news .com .au, Bronte Coy.Hello Bronte, it's lovely to have you with us.

Welcome to the show.Thank you so much.I'm so happy to be here.I've got to kick this off with a very straightforward question.I mean, you got the inside scoop on this.Congratulations.

It was it was a great story that got followed up around the world.I am most curious to know what this visit stroke potential quasi royal tour is going to look like.We know it's all about the marking of a year to go the countdown to the Invictus Games.And of course, there's going to be we understand a very important meeting between Charles, his son and his grandchildren.But are there going to be other engagements?

What do you think we can expect?A lot of people were really surprised by this news, but I have to be honest, I wasn't really because what we saw in Australia earlier this year, I think was the dummy run for what we're probably going to see when the Sussexes get into town, which is that sort of half in, half out.They will be doing personal activities, but also they'll be taking care of their philanthropic and charity commitments as well.And we know that Harry is still well connected, of course, with the Invictus Games, which is what he that's the centerpiece of this whole visit.We can expect them in Birmingham for those activities.

Yeah, I think it's interesting because I think you're right, Bronte, that nobody was surprised about Harry.But I think what's made this a bit of a bombshell in terms of news is bringing Meghan and Archie and Lilibet to the country.There's been all these questions over Harry's fears for security for Meghan and his children.And certainly we know that Meghan is, you know, probably not the UK's biggest fan.That's that's rather well documented.So I want to bring you in, Robert.

And, you know, is this a big story?Is there nothing to see here?Do you care about Meghan and Harry?visiting.I'd love to know your thoughts.

That was a great scoop by Bronte and congratulations to her.I mean I went out to Australia in the year countdown when Harry was doing that for the Invictus Games and he did do a number of other engagements and I think he will do this time but clearly a deal has been done.If he's talking about having his kids coming over and his wife, the ever -popular Megan, coming over and then he must really have agreed to the deal.He must have done.And so the palace is saying that they are not actually giving any extra security, therefore they've offered a royal palace for them to stay, the kids.Do we know which one?

We don't know yet, but I would have thought either Buckingham Palace or Windsor Castle.It's got to be as secure as it can be.And that's a step in the right direction, because apparently Harry had been offered that before.So I think both of them are sort of seeing, trying to make sure that they don't have them blinked.You know, there had been this huge court case going on with Harry suing the British government about his security.And I think the Palace are at pains to say, well, nothing's changed our end.

So it must be Harry who has agreed to the deal.Well, the dealing with Ravik always included, if he gave enough notice.

Exactly, yeah.

planned out his itinerary and gave that itinerary to Ravik, then Ravik would then work out what level of security was required.

So why is there speculation that the King might be helping out with the bill on the security?

I don't know, because I think actually that is very clear that the King is saying he hasn't changed anything.yeah and I think that is quite important because that might just be brief somewhere else but my understanding is he hasn't changed any of the deal the fact is they've given the notice that's required the only difference here we have Megan we have the two kids involved now if they're not I can't imagine he's gonna given that the the level of privacy he's gone to in terms of photographic.We haven't actually seen photographs of their faces really, have we?No, only the backs.So therefore I can't imagine him just traipsing them out in Birmingham for everyone to see.I'm going to have to wait and see on that.

But the bottom line is they'll be given a royal palace to be protected.The King obviously the last thing anything the last thing the king would want was anything to happen to his grandkids and there'll be an opportunity in that process for him to meet or get to know his grandchildren a bit better and I wrote a piece the other day saying that I think we should just cut out all the noise and the And the most important thing is there's a man here who's the king, he's living with cancer, and he has a chance to get a special memory, and those kids have a chance to have a special memory with their grandfather, nothing less important.

I want to bring Bronte in here because, yes, this is the complicated thing, isn't it?There's the family element, there's an ailing man who wants to meet his grandchildren.Bronte, I want to know what you think.Could we really...You've mentioned before that you think that the Australia visit was like the dummy run for what Meghan and Harry want to roll out around the world.Are we really in a situation where, after everything they've said about the royal family and everything they've felt about their royal life, we're going to be seeing them doing the royal wave at hospitals?

I mean, what's your understanding of what this trip's going to be?

Well, you could not possibly have imagined a scenario like that just two years ago.But as I say, in the last 12 months, there have been some key movements in that direction.The mood music has changed so dramatically.And it does seem to be from Harry's perspective, it's very obvious he has publicly said it.He wants reconciliation.He misses his home country.

He wants to spend time with his wider family.That, of course, also includes the Spencers.So I think that however that can be made possible, which I think there is a scenario where Harry comes back in some way and spends a bit more of a permanent amount of time here, however that looks, I think this is all possible at this point.I think that there have been movements in that direction.How that all fits with the kids and Meghan, I'm not sure, but I think this is just the next logical step for him to actually be able to bring the kids back.

Yeah, well, maybe the word sorry should come first.I mean, you know, he's...Well, it depends which camp, you know.Harry thinks the sorry comes from the other camp.Well, he does, but, I mean, come on.I mean, you know, he let rip at his family.

He actually didn't really give them the opportunity to say... to give them to answer back properly.If they think that William is just going to take this on the chin and welcome him with open arms, I really don't see that happening.And I can see William being as far away from any private meeting with the King that has happened.Similarly, Camilla as well.

Let's not forget that the last time that Harry came over, William literally went to the other end of the country to avoid having anything to do with his brother.But the King has been far more open.Everything I hear is that he has wanted a reconciliation and has left the door open.

He's also had a gun pointed at his head.If William and Harry had come over with his kids and Meghan and he never met them, I mean, can you imagine the furore about that?So, I mean, also, you've got to put it into perspective.When Harry came over last time, You know, it wasn't exactly the party streamers and party poppers weren't out.I mean, it was a half an hour meeting.

So what sort of a reception do you think he will get over here, Robert?

I don't know how public he'll go.I mean, I would imagine he'll get reception amongst all his charitable organisations, which is very positive.Having seen him with the military fraternity, particularly those with the Invictus Games, and he does a terrific job with that, and has always done a good job with that, he'll get a good reception.I'm sure he will.But I think it would be pretty much behind closed doors.If we think he's going to be, you know, he's not going to be out there amongst the public.

But last time they were out amongst the public, then, you know, there was a couple of people that booed.There were a few people that turned their back on them.And maybe that mood's died down a little bit.But I don't think the entire royal family have forgiven and forgotten.They certainly haven't forgotten.

Bronte, what do you make of there's been, you know, the odd cynical snipe about the fact that this Megan's Volt Fatsche, to put it bluntly, is about, you know, the commercial prospects dwindling stateside.Do you think that there's any commercial agenda attached to this latest plan for a visit?

I think two things can be true at once.There's absolutely no denying that their big plan for the U .S.has absolutely not panned out how they wanted it to when they first left the royal family.And it has been such a turbulent few years.A bunch of their deals have fallen over.

Spotify, the Netflix deal was stripped back.All sorts of things that they planned have not worked.worked out.And I think it is absolutely the case, as I said, that Harry is missing his home.I think like a severely painful breakup, it's, you know, after all the emotion settles down a little bit, you're left with some nostalgia.And I think that that has started to weave its way into his mind probably over the last couple of years.

So I think that that aspect is absolutely true.I think he wants his kids to have this relationship with his family.He's probably not feeling that that rage and hurt that he was feeling when he first left under.It was such dramatic circumstances and they never wanted it to be that way.They said that, and the Sandringham Summit was so volatile.So now that what they've planned for in the US is probably not exactly how they'd wanted it, I think that the UK is probably not looking so bad.

But guys, let's be very blunt about this.We have an ageing king who is living with cancer.We have a brand in America that's going very badly wrong.Everybody used to say to me, and I'm sure Grant would agree,in the years after Harry left, what's going to happen when the money runs out?Well, clearly what happens when the money runs out is compromise, because clearly Harry knows when his brother becomes king, he's going to get nothing.

So therefore, he's now trying to make amends with his father, who holds the purse strings.

Yeah.

Ultimately, and I don't want to be overly cynical about this, time is of the essence.He needs to build bridges quickly if he wants to build...It's interesting, isn't it?If he wants his bank balance to be able to pay for his life.

And there is that tension between that reality, that fiscal reality and...The emotion, it is a family.However unedifying I found it when Prince Harry said, I don't know how much time my father has left.That must be weighing on his mind.And so he wants those children to meet.their grandparents, their grandfather in a meaningful way.

And there is also the argument that there has been a lot of time that has passed here and at some point you've got to move on and I think the King is of the opinion that he does have to move on if he wants to have any chance of a reconciliation with Harry, an opportunity to have a relationship with his grandchildren.I mean, Grant, you spent a lot of time working for him when he was the Prince of Wales.You know what a family man he was.Family is important to him.He's barely seen these grandchildren.

I think the thing that's difficult, can I listen to this and aware of what's taking place, is I remember how close they all were.And I think what's difficult is that whatever reason, this distance has, well we know, probably the reasons why, but this distance has happened.And I have no doubt that in his mind, he's aware that, as Robert said, his father's unwell.He wants to rebuild those bridges.I don't disagree.I'm sure there's, you know, at the end of the day, he's aware that his father could be gone in a couple of years' time, and maybe he wants to make sure that he reconnects with them.

I don't know, though, how he's going to ever reconnect with his brother.That's the thing I'm wondering about.

We'll get on to that.But it's interesting, because I thinkgot a lovely story about the Queen that really just shows the fact that she actually had probably a nicer bond.with the Sussex children than Charles has managed so far?

Well, I think it was a very brief bond because of course she got to meet them around Lilibet.And still!And still, at Lilibet's birthday it was the platinum jubilee celebration, so what, that was back in 2022, and there was a little birthday party for Lilibet and Meghan and Harry wanted the Queen to be there and the Queen agreed to go and Harry and Meghan really wanted a photograph of the Queen with the children.And the Queen was understandably nervous about this because she had had her fingers burned when it came to Harry and Meghan and leaking of information and putting things out.So she agreed to do that photograph.That photograph was taken.

It has never been seen.I don't think it will ever be seen.Let's hope not.I'm not so sure of that.The photo was taken and I think the point is, actually just going back to that moment, I was told by someone who witnessed that moment, that there was a lovely bond between Lilibert and the Queen.

obviously that is that is what the king wants to be able to have that time and that's a very human thing we've got to remember about all of this there is a bit of a circus whenever harry comes to town um is that there are two little kids are completely innocent in all of this they it's not their fault their father what's happened they don't really know their grandfather if they can have a memory.I mean, I don't know about you, I've got great memories of my grandparents.And, you know, if you can have one memory, it stays with you for the rest of your life.And I think that's probably, you know, that hug with their grandfather is terribly important, particularly as they haven't got Diana there, their grandmother, you know, and I think that sort of thing is, rises above all of the theatre that goes with it.

Well, they've got a strange one on both sides with the grandparents.

They have, and that's the other thing I was just about to mention is, but if they're desperate for thathug from a grandfather, they've got one down the road, who's called Thomas Markle, who's never met them.Now, what did he do so wrong?Or is it, or is it simply that his purse strings aren't that as big as the King's?Because...

Well, Robert's...You're clearly convinced, Robert, aren't you, that, yes, you believe that...

No, look, totally on both, but I do believe the conversation will be had, because, you know, when he first left, Harry was on the phone, like it or lump it, he was on the phone to his father, and his father, as I wrote about before, said to the Queen, I'm not a bank.

Yeah, well he cut the top of dad off, I mean that was it.

And everyone was talking about him being all this, what's going to happen?How can this man be cut off?He was 40 nearly, all around about that age.You know, he's not a child.He took a very bold decision, which, right or wrong, it probably, for him, it was the right decision.But his father advised him at the very beginning, at that moment, he said, go away and rethink and tell me, write everything down, because he knew security was going to be a huge issue.

Yeah.And we're going to come on to security later.Well, we will talk about security.But the fact is, for Harry, it's a huge expense.

Well, let's just give Harry the benefit of the doubt, just for now.Let's assume that he wants to come here to have that reconciliation with his father.Also, Bronte, you have given us information that it's not just about wanting reconciliation with the King, but he wants to see the other side of his family, the Spencers as well.We know he has a good relationship with his uncle and his two aunts.We understand that there is a possibility that if they don't stay at a royal residence, they may spend a couple of nights at Althorpe, which is, of course, Al Spencer's estate, which has been closed for two days during a period when it is usually open to the public.Of course, that has sent the rumour mill into overdrive.

Of course.And look, as I said, that they've been very tight -lipped with Sussex Camp on the exact plans because of security, but it would make a lot of sense...they were to spend time there.It also comes right after what would have been Princess Diana's birthday in early July.So this all sort of ties in neatly there.And Harry has stayed there before when he was back for his other uncle's funeral.

So I think that it would be very it's entirely likely slash very possible that that is where they will be spending some time.Because when I did speak to sources close to the Sussexes, the emphasis was on the wider family, because it is often about And of course, that has been what's dominated the headlines in recent days.The King and William and Catherine and how they figure into all of this.But there is a whole other side of the family that are involved as well and that there will be a big focus on, I believe.

One irony of them staying at Ulthorpe is when Diana was looking for a place to stay after she split with Charles, they didn't, when they recorded it, it wasn't regarded as, she didn't regard it as secure enough.and nor did her protection team.So I can't really imagine that's going to happen.I think if they're going to stay, these royal grandchildren, it will be in a royal palace.

You mentioned Buckingham Palace, Robert.I mean, that would be very central.It's very visible.Pretty safe.Very safe, but hard for them to get in and out without being spotted.Has he not turned his nose up and back before?

Yeah, but he never had his children with him before.OK. I mean, I think the most important people here are the children.I mean, what Harry does and Meghan do, I mean, it's entirely a matter for them.The reality is these are royal grandchildren stepping foot in the United Kingdom, and I can't imagine any Commissioner of Police, let alone Scotland Yard Commissioner of Police, or any Chief Constable wanting anything to happen to these two children on their watch, in their patch.

Well, if this is going to be the blueprint for future visits, it has to go well.It has to be a success.They have to be safe, the children have to be safe, and Harry, you know, it's very clear that he wants to be able to bring them back more regularly.

And the King is doing everything he can to make that possible, by giving him the undertaking that his children will be safe, which is exactly what his legal case against the Home Office was saying, that he and his children, his wife, would not be safe if it came to the United Kingdom.So, I mean, he's doing...King is doing...He's going the extra mile to please Harry, and Harry is having to then obey, by Ravik's laws, the committee that decides on security, by giving plenty of notice.

Yeah.

What was the problem with that in the first place?Yeah.Well, that's, I think, what everybody's asking.

I'm also one with accommodation.I mean, at Clarence House, Harry used to have a kind of suite of rooms, which were put aside for friends, for family.So I'm also kind of one...I'm watching, observing, wondering if...I know it's unlikely.Not if Camilla's there.

Well, that's the only thing, that's the only problem is that I think they would have to, I think she would maybe move out if that happened.

I think Camilla would be down in Wiltshire.

There's Camilla and there's obviously the elephant we haven't discussed in the room is William Bronte.What are your sources telling you about what might play out there?Because my understanding is that you are hearing that, you know, Harry has been trying to speak to William for a long time but to no avail.

Well, absolutely understandably for most, having watched this play out in recent years, William's been very hurt by what has been aired so publicly, not just about him, but about Catherine.So from his side, he's sort of had to bunker down and really take on a lot of royal responsibilities with all the health battles going on.And amid that time, and I wasn't given a specific timeline on this, but it has been told to me that Harry had reached out to his brother a number of times, trying to make that contact, I suppose, in that move towards reconciliation, like we've seen with he and the King.But it's been, I've been told, one -way traffic, so complete radio silence from the other side.And as I understand it, Harry gave up some time ago.So I think we can expect absolutely nothing between the brothers or their families.

I don't think they'll go anywhere near each other.

It's fascinating, Grant, to think that, you know, even 10 years ago, this would have been unthinkable to look into the crystal ball.What was your impressions of their relationship back in the day?

Oh, the best of friends.I mean, the two of them were, you know, they went out together, they drank together.they partied together, they had the same group of friends.I think the other thing I'm wondering is with Harry coming over.I mean, he's got quite a few friends back up in the Cotswolds.Now, I know a lot of his friends.

We've got weirdly mutual friends.None of them have any contact with Harry at all.There's not been any contact recently about him coming back.But why is that?I don't know.If I was coming back and I haven't seen my friends in a few years, I would reach out to them.

For example, I'd go to Scotland, I'd contact my friends, I'd say I'm back home.He's not making any contact, and these are really close friends, and they're not hearing anything from him.

The friendship is true, isn't it?Absolutely.But if he's totally blank whilst he's been in LA, you can't blame them and the people in the Cotswolds.

And I think the other thing with William is trust is a big thing for William.And I remember that.That was a massive thing for William.As soon as you break the trust, It's over.And this just shows you, even with family, you break the trust, it's over.

Robert, I want to ask you, what do you think was the line that was crossed?Was it in spare, when it was details of William and Harry in that physical fight?Was it the personal attacks on the Princess of Wales that just made William, who we know... can hold a grudge, a long -term grudge.We know that about William, he's pretty stubborn.What do you think was the line that was crossed?What was the straw that broke the camel's back?

Well, I mean, I don't know a specific story, but the whole of Spare was pretty damning and one -sided.I think that the interviews he gave to Tom Bradby when he was in South Africa really upset William.He felt that that was a total betrayal.One of the most significant ones was when he said that both William and the King were trapped.into the job they were going to do, which I think William said, well, don't speak for me, I've given you no authority to do that.

And I also thought it was really weird when you'd been doing all these quasi -royal tours where you would have been doing what you were doing if you were trapped in the royal family.

And the other things that really upset him was the timing.the death of the Duke of Edinburgh and the Queen being quite ill at the same time.

Yeah.

Covid then came in, which meant we had that situation where there was a complete break anyway.But then, of course, the most damning stuff, which I think William will not forgive, is what was said about Catherine, which was totally unfair.Then we had...And put her under enormous pressure.and stress, and then she had her dealing with cancer.And he was left pretty much to deal with a terrible situation, the prospect that his father had cancer.

and his wife had cancer.He had three young children, and he was completely crestfallen at that time.And he had nobody then to support him, gave him no support whatsoever.Yes, Camilla did her bit for the king and the country, but this was a moment in his life when he felt completely and utterly alone to deal with two of the biggest crises.Because for all he knew, he could have been becoming king as a widow.He didn't know.

And you can imagine that.Where was his brother?whinging on about things that went on years ago.Lots of situations, almost being on the therapist's couch whilst his brother was dealing with real problems.

See, Bronte, when Robert puts it that way, I have to wonder what William must be thinking with King Charles' apparent olive branches to try and smooth over this relationship, to have that connection with his grandchildren.That must be putting enormous strain on the relationship between William and Charles.

Well, Rob, you're exactly right.It was a terrible time for William and he was very isolated.It would be putting it would be a source of great irritation.You'd have to imagine that not only has he been trying to keep it stay away from this whole rift with his brother, he's obviously not responding to attempts at communication.When Harry and Meghan are here, of course, they're going to be generating a lot of attention.They will potentially be within a few miles of him if they stay in Windsor.

And so, of course, this is putting a lot of pressure onback in the spotlight and making his position quite uncomfortable as he goes about his work.So all in all, it's got to be an uncomfortable time for him.You can't imagine he's been happy with the decision.Although when you think about the King's position, as we've said, you know, he's a man who's 76.He's living with cancer.

His position is very different to Williams in this ongoing rift.And I always go back to what Harry wrote in spare around the time of Prince Philip's funeral in 2021 when he said that his father said to he and William, boys, please don't make my final years of misery, William and the King are just coming from such different places when it comes to this, but also the other thing that's significant for William is this.

Harry is causing, you know, who's now, he's never going to be the king.We have three young children who are in line to the succession.William is now dealing with the next stage of the monarchy.A monarchy for the latter part, the middle part of the 21st century.And there's a complete distraction.Because all we end up talking about, whilst all the good deeds that William is doing, is supporting his father at Trooping, he's obviously involved in the idea of opening, making the monarchy more transparent and maybe royalty with a small r, he's got a vision for what that monarchy will be in the future.

But every time he tries to make a move in the right direction, we have a distraction all the time from LA. and Montecito, which is all, how does Harry feel?Now, I don't know about you, but, I mean, Harry, what, is he in his early 40s now?It does seem that we're still dealing with a man -child, a man that needs so much attention that he's almost in his early 20s.I think we still think of Harry in his early 20s, that cheeky chap that used to be quite attentive.But William is thinking about a much more important future, a future where we've got Republic on the rise, you've got a monarchy that's in transition, a monarchy which has been booed in the streets, you've got Prince Andrewcausing mayhem in terms of our international standing.

And William is trying to create a monarchy to go forward, not one to keep looking over its shoulder and to deal with the man -child, which is Harry.

I think you're right, and I think William's view is very much on the future, Robert.I think that's absolutely on the agenda.And Bronte, as you said, they are both at very different stages in their life.You've got an elderly king I think everyone with a heart can understand that he just wants to make the peace with his youngest son, and see his grandchildren.I think we can all understand that.Bronte, thank you so much for joining us.

It's been a pleasure to have you on the show, and we will get you back when the Sussexes land over here and get your take on it.So thank you.Thank you so much for having me.Well, of course, the other big story, which is breaking as we're going to air, so we can't actually talk too much about some of the facts and figures, but we can talk about the fact, Jo, that the king is going to pay personal tax for the very first time and tell us what he's paying.Now, He makes millions and millions of pounds through the Duchy.

I hope he's going to be OK.

He'll be fine.

Now that he's paying these taxes.

I mean, his tax bill is enough to bring tears to most people's eyes.But of course, everything's relative.And when you're making that much money, you can afford to pay a hefty tax bill.But do you think this sort of is the right tone in terms of a modern monarch wanting to be more transparent, wanting to be able to look at the people that he meets on an average walkabout and say, right, well, I pay tax too, and we just made it official.

But listen to, you know, that big list of challenges that Robert just laid out that sort of, like, besets the monarchy at the moment.I think that there definitely needs to be a bit of a feeling that they're listening to the public, that they've lost a bit of that tone deafness that their critics would say they have.So whether or not this is complete transparency, we'll get into the weeds, but it's the right, you know, token of...It's the right token.a move in the right direction.Exactly.

Yeah.

Robert, what do you think?

I think it's essential.OK. I think that we need a monarchy that is listening.You know, I'm a...I believe in the system of constitutional monarchy and parliamentary democracy, but I think the monarchy should almost be treated like another Department of State, and to be as open and transparent financially as that.I think the King has been listening not only to his advisers, but to his... his heir, Prince William, who I think is very keen to reduce the expense of monarchy and to be more transparent in what and more transparent in what we see as the general public.But I would say this, and I think it's a good move by the King, and he should be congratulated on it.

However, I really would like the palace to stop the nonsense of, it costs the same as a bottle of milk and a pint of bread.

It's £1 .29, by the way.

Whatever it is.

It's what it costs us each year.

Each citizen, each citizen.It's not.That's a complete and utter load of nonsense.The cost of security is not included in that.And the cost of security has gone up and up and up and up.It's astronomical.

Do we have even a guesstimate on that?

Well, the Republic have come up with figures, not that I'm endorsing anything that they're saying, but it's multi, multi millions of pounds.So I think that really we have to be more honest and they should be more transparent about that.Look, when a certain, you know, protection officer puts in his overtime bill, that's coming out of somebody's bank.

But we can't have a monarchy without having a protection entourage.I mean, we need to have that kind of security.

We can't, but why shouldn't we be told how much it costs?Am I right in saying that when there's a royal event, like a coronation or a big event, they do sometimes give those, do they give this kind of bill or not?

They give broad figures, but no, no, we don't get transparent figures.

There's a lot of smoke and mirrors when it comes to security.

Of course there is. I think we shouldn't just let the war be pulled over our eyes.I think that we do a lot a lot of they do.a lot of fantastic things.I was obviously at Trooping the Colour watching that.It's an incredible spectacle worldwide.

Yeah.

But we should stop the nonsense about they're great for tourism.We should stop all these things.And the way you do it is by being more transparent, more open, and telling people what it's costing.Don't hide behind it.

I'm just wondering if they were to give us those figures, Joe.And Robert's right, it's going to be tens of millions of pounds.will that give rise to an anti -monarchy movement?

My question was going to be, if you want to run it like a transparent corporation, what brings in those I don't know how many millions in tourism dollars.What gives our monarchy over any other royal family in the world that real prestige and that real magic is the mystery.

There's no question about that, Joan.Yeah, there's no question about that.

If it's going to be that we know exactly how the sausage gets made, how magical is that for the tourist dollars?

There's no question about that, but there is no reason whatsoever for the public who are making these payments shouldn't know how much it is. I mean, when they go on a realm visit to Australia or to Canada, the people of Canada pay for those bills, OK?And they get a bill, and it is discussed in Parliament.So, you know, when it goes to Australia, it will come out about a year later, or six months later, and the figures are there.So I think it's quite important that if we're going to go forward, that there needs to be more accountability and more transparency and more openness in terms of questions that the media put about certain things, too.

Well, Robert, you and I have been at many of those briefings at the Palace, and one of the things that always comes up is the cost of transport.Grant, we were talking about helicopter rides on the other show, Helicopter rides essentially if you're gonna get from a wedding to the Derby you can't avoid these things But they're hugely expensive and they're miles and miles and I suppose Robert does make a good pointIf we can know these costs and have a full breakdown of how much is being spent on travel, why shouldn't we know what is spent on security?

The only thing I do know, again from my time in How the King is, when it comes to money and the spenders, it is a concern, because obviously, it costs us money, but at the same time, he will be worried about people starting to question that.Same as William, because William always helps the homeless.It is really difficult, isn't it, saying you are supporting when suddenly you start looking at these kind of figures, you know, how much it costs with the transport and the helicopters.

Well, I've been called a communist before for questioning whether or not they have to be quite as rich as they are.

Well, did you see he donated £1 ,000 to a pub recently, which I thought was great, but then he came under criticism, saying, is that all you're going to give?

Yeah, but that's always going to be the case for very rich people.You've got to remember, when it comes to the Duke of Cornwall, as he is the Prince of Wales, try to get this in your heads before... before we start talking about how rich or poor they are.Every year, every single year, William doesn't become a millionaire once, he becomes a millionaire 26 times or 25 times.

Yeah.

Because every year, the Duchy of Cornwall generates that amount of money, OK?So a £7 million tax bill?And so that's not going to be too much of a problem.

Yeah.

Also, he's got three young children at private school.So have a lot of middle class and loads of people working that have got children at private school.But that won't be a major expense when you're getting £26 million or £25 million every year.Every year, you become a millionaire 26 times or 25 times every year whilst you're in that role.And the other thing is, when George Osborne was Chancellor of the Exchequer, he created the system that made the royal family far more wealthy than it's ever been before.Ever been before.

And a huge amount, swathes of money came in.And there are fewer members of the royal family on the payroll now.Was there a reason for that?Just the way they did the system.You speak to George about it.and I have spoken to George about it because he was the editor of the Evening Standard when I was there.

He acknowledges now that actually they probably went... too far.

I think a lot of people don't know things like they're exempt the royal family from inheritance tax.So Charles did not pay inheritance tax on his 650 million from his mother.

I think that we can't really get heads around how wealthy they are.I think when the king was Duke of Cornwall had the Duchy of Cornwall.He used to sort of say, well, it's a shame I inherited areas of South London, not like the Duke of Westminster or wherever, who had much more expensive areas, which you can only make his belief in a way.But the reality is they're hugely, hugely wealthy.and in a way that no normal people can really understand.And they've never got to worry about the money coming in, because it will come in every year and keep coming in that amount of money.

And that's, by the way, if the Prince of Wales doesn't spend all of that 25 million each year, he's got a nice little nest egg building up for his children to avoid a spare situation, perhaps.

And I'm sure you're aware that when I was in a duchy property, and we were made aware that if we, I think I've said this to you before, if one of us died in that property and we didn't have a will, it would go to, technically, to the Duchy.

I mean, one of the old things that happened...That's because it's an ancient trust.One of the ancient things that used to happen, and it's quite shocking when you think about it, the Duchy of Lancaster, if anybody died without a will in that area, everything went to the Duchy of Lancaster.And so many people...And the big scandal happened in the First World War, when so many young men from the Lancaster Regiment died on the front line without a will, and all of their...Every penny they had went to the king.

Blimey.So things like this are involved in ancient landed trusts that we don't really know about.Perhaps it's time for a few revisions.Yeah, exactly.needs to be more transparent.

Before we get Piers in, I just want to draw your attention to the fact that sometimes William is very much a man of the people.He was on a bus earlier this week as we mentioned at the top of the show.He was riding on one of Transport for London's fleet of electric buses with probably Australian royalty, if we can call in that, Robert Irwin, son of the late Steve Irwin.They were promoting the Earthshot Prize Awards.Now, love or hate William and his tax bill, I'm really a big fan of the Earthshot Prize.It's such an incredible acknowledgement of real hope and real innovation in terms of helping us to save our environment.

And you can tell that William really cares about it.He does.

I really love that.

It's been going since 2020.And in his speech, he said he always hoped that the prize would be a symbol of evidence of progress.And I think it's really walking the walk as well as talking the talk.

So I love that for him.And he's passionate.And he's passionate about it as well.You can see that.

And you are seeing the change now as well.He's reduced tons and tons of waste.He's given away, well, I don't know, it's bigger than his tax bill.I think about $25 million or something like that to the winners of this prize who are finding genuine solutions to help to help climate change issues, to help prolong the future.

It's visionary, isn't it?At least it's a visionary.You know, I love the way that it was worked out, like, you know, based on Kennedy.You know, it's not...We do these things not because they're easy, but because they're hard and we go into them.Yeah.

I think it's a visionary move.It shows the way that William does things in a different way to his father.And I think that he'd set out an agenda in that 10 years.Let's hope and pray that he enables to get to the end of that 10 years before other things overtake him.But I think he's done a terrific job, and it shouldn't be underestimated.

I mean, obviously, there's always the sniping when the royals put their head above the parapet in politics and issues like this.People saying, well, he uses helicopters and sometimes private planes.So you can't win, can you?when you're a royal if you're trying to do good.

No, but I mean, I think there are things they could do slightly different, but I think at the same time, no -one's going to use them quite as often as the late, not the late, the formerly man known as Prince Andrew, Miles Andy.I think the King actually, he does his best to avoid abusing the system, and I think William does the same.They're using electric cars, they're doing things that they can actively be seen to be doing, and I don't think they abuse it, really.I'm going to say cars that run on wheat and cheese as well.He's Aston Martinism, run on wine and cheese.Great fact, Grant, Harold.

Just so you know.But they don't actually shove that into them.No, they don't.I can vouch for that.They actually create the fuel, I think, from wine and cheese.The eco -fuel.

And he's known to ride on an eco -scooter around Windsor Castle.So all credit to him.Eco -glasses, eco -scooters.Well, our next guest needs no introduction, does he, Joe?

Well, still introduce me, come on.I'm the boss, after all.

Here's Tim.He needs no introduction.It was only a matter of time before he popped up.In person.

Well, first of all, congratulations on this roaring success of Royals Uncensored.Thank you.Thank you very much.It's been fantastic.We're loving it.I mean, the idea that within, like, four or five weeks, Channel 5 have already bought the rights to air you on mainstream television is amazing.

So, credit to all of you.Fantastic.But obviously, this will be, I suspect, the most -watched show because I've arrived.So, what do you want to know?

I mean, Harry Potter.Your expectations are high.

Well, they will be, yeah.

Well, I tell you what I want to know, because I know you've got great sources on this, Piers, but is there going to be a meeting between the King and his grandchildren?

Do you know what I think?It's like all the briefings have clearly been coming from the usual sources, right?People magazine clearly is Harry and Meghan, and it's all this crap that comes out all the time, because it's obviously in their interest that there is this meeting between Harry and Meghan.father.But if you're the royal family, and I know this for a fact from talking to people close to them, right, there's a lot of wariness about this, right?They don't trust them, period.

They just don't trust them.I mean, Harry to them is like Brooklyn Beckham is to the Beckhams now, right?I don't think anyone could be a worse son than Harry.Brooklyn, I don't know.I take my hat off to you, son, for spoilt, brat -entitled behavior.And the common theme is two American women, but we'll come to that later.

In fact, you've heard of Wallis Simpson.They're three for three.The issue here is trust.So obviously, the king, as a father, would love to see his son.Obviously he would.He doesn't want to have this on.

Charles really doesn't like confrontation.No, he doesn't.He doesn't like everything to be chaotic and traumatic and combative.He would just like it to be calm so he can get on with doing a very good job, by the way, as our monarch, I think.And I think the trip to America was astonishingly successful and his greatest moment, actually, as a royal.So he's doing his stuff.

He just wants the rest to just be calm.I don't think it really, you know, for him, he's like, well, obviously I'd like to see my son.But the problem is everyone around him is like, well, how do you trust him, sir?How do you trust this son of yours who every single time you see him?in the last few years, everything gets leaked.And then you add Meghan to the mix, who said she'd never come back to the country, who has spent years trashing our country, who's branded the royals a bunch of callous racists, and the pair of them are stuck here.

Imagine it's your family.This is what I keep thinking.I've got a massive family.If one of our family went rogue and went public, accusing us all of being a bunch of callous racists, How do you wind back from that?So I feel like there's a lot of simmering discomfort about all this.that all the narrative has been driven from the Sussexes as usual.

And the narrative is they would like to, you know, as long as it's on their rules and their thing and their thing, then they should be meeting.And I'm like, well, what about the ones you've been sticking it to who actually have been doing their royal duty in your absence?Why should they be party to your PR machine?

You're making me feel a bit sad for the King in that It sounds like despite all the evidence laid out there, there's a part of him that just really wants to trust, and that feels quite vulnerable.

Well, of course he does.He's a father, right?Yeah.If it's one of my kids, obviously, you would want to end the problem.You'd want to bring them back in the fold.The problem is, how do you trust these two?

Yeah.

Right?And, you know, they're going to bring the kids that they keep preaching to the world about privacy and how to protect kids online.Meantime, she's out there pumping week after week more and more pictures of their kids.So there's an absolute hypocrisy.there, which I find honestly, frankly, quite sickening.It's like, how dare you preach to us about privacy and protecting kids online.

And then the next day, go and put on Instagram pictures of your young kids to purely promote your brand as the rival renegade royal family.You know, I just go back to They stuck it to the royals at the royal's most vulnerable time.I mean, you and I have covered the royals for longer than we care to admit, but decades, right?But the idea they did this as Philip was dying, as the Queen was dying, and they were just trashing the royals week in, week out, trashing the monarchy as an institution, all of it.They were doing everything they could to destroy the whole thing.And now they want to waltz back into the country because he's got his Invictus Games, which is a perfectly valid, good event.

I'm not going to denigrate the Invictus Games.People that compete in it deserve all our admiration, and it's a good event.But the idea becomes this big circus of the great return.of these two.

Well, it's not going to be, because there are many...We've tried to trash the entire institution.There are many members of the royal family who will not have that meeting.I think the King probably will meet them, because I think he is magnanimous.I think he had a great capacity for forgiveness.Well, he might meet Harry.

I very much doubt he'll meet Meghan.I'd be astonished.He wants to see his grandchildren.I suspect it will be on Charles's terms.I think it will be very carefully coordinated by private secretaries and...

I tell you, you won't be seeing them.William.I think William would rather shoot it.

I want to talk about that, because we can all empathise with that point of view, of course, but for all the reasons you've just said, it's a circus.It will be.

As soon as they step foot in town, it's a circus.

It's always going to be if they don't find a way.There's not going to be a way ultimately.They can't be a way.It's going to overshadow William's reign as much as it is Charles's reign if we don't sort this out.So when...

Well, I don't think William wants anything to do with that.But at what point?And I think if William was to become king, I think the first thing he'd do is strip them of the titles.I mean, I felt they should lose their titles for years because I just think they want their royal cake and eat it.Remember, the Queen was very, very adamant.You can't be half in and half out of the royal family.

Either you're a working royal, and you do your duty, and in return, you get all the trappings and granules, or you're not.

If you're not born royal, and you're not special as a royal, if you can just be stripped from your royal titles for being a bit of an idiot, what's the point of being royal?

Well, we've just stripped Andrew's titles.Well, so.

But you can't, Piers.You and I have had this.That's not a comfortable situation.

I'm not saying what they've done is worse.I've never said that.It can be done.But what I'm saying is there is a mechanism for stripping them of their titles.Why should they be allowed to march around the world with unofficial royal visits, making tons of money for themselves in the process, without doing any royal duty whatsoever?Why shouldn't they?

Totally right.It's absolutely outrageous.

And also, why should they have the titles of the children as well?Prince and Princess.It's a load of old nonsense.The Duke and Duchessthought they weren't going to use their titles.They're not supposed to use the titles.

That's what they agree on.Oh, she'll be using all of them, Michael.That's what they agree on.But the fact is that they're going to come here.It's going to be turned into a circus.No matter what anybody says, it will be the big moment.

The King has had a gun held to his head.Effectively, they've said, we're coming over.All the leaks have come out to say they're coming over with the kids.What does he do?He says, OK, you can use the palace if you give enough notice.But ultimately, how long will he spend with them?

No more than half an hour if it happens.Will Camilla be there?Absolutely not.Will William be there?Absolutely not.Will they meet their cousins?

No, they won't.So how much has been repaired here?Nothing.

Will this be fodder for another book or a documentary?We don't know.I wouldn't trust them as far as I can tell.

And they're in line with the whole problem.By the way, remember the context, Katie, which is the dwindling success they're having and the dwindling money that they're making, right?None of the stuff they've been trying.probably now realized the only thing people were interested in from them was them trashing their family.Once they stopped doing that and tried to sell jam, everyone's like, what?Or, I mean, that forever show, whatever, it's got an absolutely unwatchable build, right?

So everything they tried hasn't worked.So now they're getting desperate.She will be very manipulative and conniving about this.And she'll be saying, we've got to get back being seen with the major players because that's our currency.The moment we look like we're no longer part of any of this, we can't make any money.I'm very cynical about these two.

It's all about money.We know that from what they've done for the last few years.

I'm very interested to see what Meghan will do in London.Will we see things like the appearance of Masterchef in Australia?Do you think she'll do PR?

Do you think she will come and start Channel 8?She'll do whatever it takes to promote herself using the royal family as a PR tool.And I know from speaking to people around the royals, they're very concerned about this, right?They just think she will come in,and she is getting desperate with her failure of her business stuff, and so she knows she needs to be seen.I mean, when was the last time you saw them with any A -listers?

They're not.The alias world made a calculation.If you go with those two, you're never going to be invited to the real stuff.

Well, I think the last one was that Netflix party, wasn't it?

And desperate.To your point, Piers, desperate equals dangerous.

Correct.

And I think the King is aware of that.The problem is, as you say, Robert, he's got them over a barrel.But you come from a big family.I come from a big family.The only reason your brother's watching is because Robert Jobson's on the show.We've all got family issues, OK?

But the point is...The Robert Jobson fan club is extensive.The problem is this is not... not just any normal family.And a royal family, and I've said it before, is all about the appearance of being united.When you have a fracture at the heart of the House of Windsor, it is a problem.

So I think the King is in a no -win situation.

You're right, but Grant said it, Pearson said it.The big word here is trust.How can you trust these people?You can't trust them.

Once you break that with the King and William, it's gone.It's gone.You never get it back.What they said about Camilla, what Harry wrote about Camilla, it's disgusting.

And it's nonsense.And disgusting.And remember, he put stuff in his book.He didn't put in the racism or the mental health stuff, by the way.That just disappeared.And when he was asked about that later, he said, oh, that was a media concoction.

I never accused a family of being racist.Absolute plain lies.We all know what they told Oprah Winfrey.I called her at the time and had to leave my job.Now I probably have to lose my job if I believe them.So I just think I'm very cynical about all this.

And I just think that they are getting desperate.Desperate means dangerous.And actually, the fracturing has happened.They chose to go and live in California.Go to Montecito.Have your lovely life.

And that's fine.Leave us alone.You made it clear you hate this country.You hate the monarchy.You hate your royal family.right?

She can't even see her daddy who's 50 miles away.He's never seen the kids, right?I mean, they preach about compassion and empathy and all this stuff.It's complete bullshit, right?Where's the compassion for the father?who made a few dumb mistakes early on, right?

Because he didn't know what the hell he was doing.But he lives 50, 60 miles away, right?And yet they come here.And so this whole thing of they want everyone to meet.No, they don't.They want to be around the actual royal power in the world, which is the king and William, right?

And William's kids.Because they're the actual foundation of the monarchy, right?These two renegades, you made your bed.Go and lie in it.Leave us alone.

Well, they will keep coming back.The reality is, go back a little bit in history, it's repeating itself.We mentioned Wallis Simpson and Edward.All through the early part of the Queen's reign, he came out with his book, The King's Story, Edward.It kept popping up on TV.

But they didn't come back to the UK, did they?They only came back only for the funeral.Right.But they never came back in the meantime.

No, but they weren't allowed.

Yeah.

They weren't allowed.

Well, I'm all in favour of that.I think they should say, no, you're banned.

Well, I suspect if it was William on the throne, they wouldn't be coming back.We've got a circus, I'm sure you're right, Robert, to look forward to over the coming weeks.It's going to be very interesting.When are they due here?When is it?Early July, we're told.

We'll have to work out when to leave the country.6th to the 10th of July, apparently.

It'll be in about two weeks.Next week, it's Scottish week, so we will have the King and Queen up in Scotland.will be up there too.Clearly, as you say, the winning ticket is the royal ticket.Harry and Meghan are not going to come here until the King and the Queen are on English soil.We have lots to talk about.

The late Queen, I am glad she is not around for this because she was a bit family and the mess of everything just now...I don't think she will put up with it.

She probably wouldn't.She put a line down very clearly at the Sandringham Summit, you're either in or you're out, and they decided to go out, and they've now decided to go half in and half out.You can't have it both ways.

You can't have your cake and eat it.Well, that's it from us for this week.Thank you to our guests, Bronte Coy, Robert Jofson.And of course, Piers.

The boss.The boss.

King Piers.The king, yeah.He makes us call him that.I guess we'll have to.I can't feed you into my kitchen.I think the next couple of weeks you just might have to find time, Piers.

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