Taylor Frankie Paul: The Next Bachelorette (Full Episode)

What is up, daddy gang? It is your founding father, Alex Cooper, with Call Her Daddy. Taylor Frankie Paul, welcome to Call Her Daddy. Thank you.

I think let's just get right into it.

Okay.

You are on Call Her Daddy, so we can officially announce that you are this season's Bachelorette.

How are you feeling?

To be honest, surreal. It has not hit me, like right now in this moment, I'm just thinking about it and it's like, it's not real, it's not real. And it's not gonna be until I think the limo's pulling up, you know?

And I'll be like, meeting the people. So nervous. How did I get here? Like in my head, I'm like, how is this happening? That is my little, it's my answer.

Well, I would also say like, I think people are gonna be so shocked and surprised for multiple reasons. First being that this was supposed to be the season of The Bachelor. Like there was supposed to be the season of The Bachelor. Like there was supposed to be a man that's sitting there right now that I'm announcing

and instead it's you, which is the best surprise ever. But how did it get to be you?

I'll give my perspective. I don't know like how that worked out in my favor, but I made a TikTok actually being like, you know, well, because people are like, you should go on The Bachelor. Obviously my relationship was not, you know, well, cause people are like, you should go on The Bachelor. Obviously my relationship was not, you know,

it didn't work out or it wasn't working out and people could see that. And like, you should just, you know, go on The Bachelor. I used to see like little side comments. So I made a funny video. And this was actually three years prior.

I made the same video, but I was like you know, I'm on probation, I'm also this, and all these things that actually had been, it's like a Lindsay Lohan TikTok. I seen it. So, and then I literally was like, ah, this is funny, the Bachelorette sent it off. And then once I did, like people started tagging,

tagging like the Bachelorette, like you should, you Right, I'm never gonna be the bachelor.

But I'll make a fun TikTok.

Yeah, and then I think, yeah, I heard there was some talking and then it was like, we had a meeting and then I still didn't believe it until like I got the invitation, will you be our bachelorette?

And I was just like, same thing, shaking, pacing back and forth. I was like, there's no way, there's no way. When they offered it to you, did you have any hesitations? Yes. Okay. Yes. Talk to me about those.

I did.

I was, I guess going in my head, I'm like, okay, how do I make this work? I'm a co-parent. I have two baby daddies, not one. So I'm dealing with on the side, I'm like, I have the other two moms, you know, that are in my group are doing Dancing with the Stars and they brought their family out. But also they have their husbands with them. So for me, I'm like, is this possible for me to do like as a single mom? Can I make it work realistically, no matter. If I want to, I can. You can do anything you want if you want. And it comes down to that.

So I was just like, I will make it work. I have a team of people that I don't think I utilize. Like, you know, I can have them and, you know, help. I can ask for help more and I don't, you know, usually.

But I came to a point where I cannot do all of this alone. So, you know, I hired all my family, assistant, nanny, and I was just like, we're gonna do it. I mean, it is such a huge opportunity. And I also recognize that the double standards of being a woman versus being a mom versus being a man and versus being a father. It's like the dads get to just go and everyone's like, oh, he's like thriving. And if a mom ends up doing something for herself, it's like, there is a double standard of like, you're such a bad mom, how could you do this? So I do appreciate you sharing that, but there's like a lot of conversations that had to be had in order for you to think about taking this journey

with yourself because it also involves your family.

Yes.

What was your family's reaction when you told them?

Also, I think very like shocking. It took a minute for people to actually like, was it, is this an idea or are you getting it? It was the same thing, like, and I think once it actually, we saw all the roses and whatnot, then it was like, oh, oh,

and they're all excited. My mom, obviously my mom was like, I think this is a great opportunity. This is something so new for me because obviously I got married young, divorced, and then the first guy I met was the next relationship. So I have not done the whole meeting new people

out the same, like dating at the same time. I don't know, you know how the bachelor works. You're dating, right? Like several people. And so I've never done that. So that will be new to me.

You've never had a roster?

No.

You don't have the biggest roster?

Is it registering to you yet? No, how do people do it? That's what I've been asking, cause I've been asking guys, like how do you guys do it? I know you guys like date girls and I've had flings, sure when I was younger, but I'm like, this is like different. Like, do you not feel bad? Like that's gonna be really hard for me

like make or hurt people's feelings.

Like what if you do like two people? I think something that we're all very excited about is you are the first Bachelorette in the history of the entire franchise to be coming from not the franchise. Like you have not been a part of this. You're coming in fresh. You have no experience with this format.

Like what do you think is going

to be the biggest adjustment for you?

All of it, clearly.

Okay, I'm gonna be honest. I've seen the show. I've seen some, you know, I know the Hannah Brown and like Colton. I've seen more of like, I would say, the more recent years, but I am not a reality TV girl. So I don't watch reality TV. So when people are talking about all the huge stars that people know, you probably know all of them, you know, and I'm like, I don't know who that is. Like sometimes I'm on a billboard and I don't know who I'm next to, besides like Kardashian, which I still,

I don't, I haven't watched reality TV. So it's not like anything against them. I just, I'm not, I like, I like to leave my reality. My life's kind of crazy. So I like to watch the scripted of where I can like leave, are not is chaos, you know, as you guys, I mean, some people have seen. We've all seen it.

But I also think something that I think is exciting and when you're saying that is that exact fact that you aren't familiar completely with the format. And I think what I'm excited for you and ABC to do is like, let's lean into that, right? Like, let's see these moments where previously

people will be like, well, I was a contestant and I know how to act on a group date. And now when I'm the bachelorette or the bachelor, I know how those things go. You're gonna be like, I have no idea what's going on and I'm just gonna go by what I feel,

which I think is another part that's gonna really excite people and make the viewing experience different. Yeah. Like I don't have like I don't have notes of like how this works or what because my friends have seen it. We were practicing a rose ceremony and they had they're all there with they're pretending to be the men and I'm like okay um William uh I was literally practicing

and I was giving us she's like no you don't do that before you like do that after and so I was

like oh I was like okay and like you're gonna like, what's your name over there with the black shirt? Yeah, you get a rose.

Yeah, like you with the blue eyes.

Get over here.

I'm like, is there a name? Is there a name in here? Like, I don't know. That's the thing is I don't know.

And that's, this season, like, the world is about to freak out when they find out that you are officially the Bachelorette. I do have to ask, because obviously people are obsessed with the secret lives of Mormon wives, can we confirm you are still going to be on that show?

Yes.

We're doing both. Yeah. Your fame has been such a topic of conversation with the other women on MomTalk throughout this entire ride. How do you think being the bachelorette will impact those friendships?

I would think...

Sorry, I just think about Sumay, but like...

You're like, you're gonna go for a PR answer, like, I think they'll be happy for me. And then I'm like, bitch.

No, no, no, no. Okay, learning lesson for all of us. I will say, including myself in that moment, I was a little upset within the 24 hours. We've already discussed that, okay, enough. But I think most of them are gonna be happy for me and support me. I can't speak for everyone and what they actually truly think, you know, you never really know.

But I think we're all kind of doing our own things. And so that's nice that everyone's getting their own shots. And so then you could be like more of like, it's not just about her, her, her, her. And so I love that two of our girls dancing with the stars. I'm so excited.

I want to be at their first show. And so like I wanted that for them because they wanted it most so much. And I like when they both got it, it was amazing. And then obviously you have Macy with her book tour coming up and she's gonna be doing that. And probably other things that are in the works that I might not even know about.

Wait, so have you told them that this is happening?

Yes.

All of them?

I think, yeah, most of them. Yeah, I think almost all of them know. And did anyone give you a not so positive response? No. All positive? All positive. They're like, everyone was like, this is exactly like what you need. And I think it's more so like,

get out of the cycle you've been in. Like, obviously I've been kind of repeating the same things and it's just like, it's uncomfortable, it's unknown, but do it, you know? So you don't think anyone's gonna be having side group chats about this? I mean, I can't say, but I don't know. I don't know, I guess we'll see on

whatever season we'll be on, you know? Like, I don't know.

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What is going on, Taylor?

Okay, so here's the thing is it's me. I do curve balls all the freaking time of being like, what, huh? And I know that's people's reaction. That's the freaking point. And it wasn't a soft launch, whatever.

I've met the guy twice. And so it was funny.

I thought it was funny. ABC is literally like code red, code red, what is she doing?

They're probably like, wait, wait, what's going on? No, they did, they, right? They're like, wait, so like, what's, I'm like, guys, it's okay. Like I do this all the time.

They're like, shit.

I, I like to know, I like to I didn't really think that went too much through, cause I'm like, but, and then I said, I was like, okay, I can understand how this looks, but to be honest, I'm gonna be honest. I met him twice, likeable guy, he's great. Are we official? No, I don't know the guy, right?

Or is it a relationship? Nothing along the lines of like people saw Flint, like I don't know him, you know? So why did we post a photo of him? Well, I see it wasn't really, you didn't know who it was. Really?

So like what's going on?

You know the internet though,

they like sleuth so hard I think they found him.

I didn't know it would be like FBI, like that I was like, oh shit, oh shit, okay. But it doesn't matter, it's like respectful. And I wanted to date a little bit before. And that's the point is like, I haven't dated, like I need to get back into it. And I mean, don't people date before they go

on a dating show, that's the point.

And so that's all it's been. And so you guys just had like a, maybe like a summer fling situation. Not even. Not even. I don't think people know how recent this is. Okay, wait. Where do things stand between you guys? Does he know you're going on the bachelorette?

Yes, okay, so he's not from Utah, he's from a different state. And so I was like, hey, I don't know you, you don't know me, we seem like we vibe, come visit.

Wait, how did you meet him?

Okay, at TikTok Live, he's, it was like new to him too. So I was like, dude, this guy's got a voice and I've never sat and watched a TikTok live really, nor do I write on them. Okay, so I was the one who was like, you have a really good voice, can you play this song? And he's like, oh, hey, Taylor. So I was like, that's a good song. He's like, hey Taylor, where are you from? And I was like, Utah, Mormon state, blah, blah, blah, like teasing.

And he's like, oh yeah, my ex-girlfriend used to watch the Mormon wife show. And I was like, oh, I made an appearance in it one time. And he was like, just like teasing him. And then he ended up looking me up after the fact and probably was like, oh, she was just like totally bullshitting me.

And he was like, what the fuck?

Oh my God, so he flew out, you guys hung out twice.

Yeah, it's only been twice.

Okay, how would you feel? Oh. If he showed up though,

on this season. Okay, going back like that's like, for there's no feelings there, so it's like, cool. And then he, obviously he was like, oh, I think, I was like, would you ever do it? The next time he came, I was like,

would you ever do that? all my friends were like, green flag, green flag. The fact that he didn't hop onto that. That he wasn't like, ooh, sign me up, tell the producers to put me on. Yeah, it was like, he's like, go do your thing. You know, if you meet someone, we weren't meant to be. And if not, like, maybe I'll be here. And I'm like, oh, you're like mature. Okay, I can't, I did have that thought. I was like, okay, so he has all these high,

so at least I know that there's a good guy there and it's like, maybe I do meet someone and that wasn't meant to be, but let's just say I don't like anyone because I asked that, I was like, well, what if I don't find someone?

How does this work? Do I, well, would you be open to it? And he's like, if it's at the very end and you still had your mind on it, then yeah, I'd be open to it.

I think though what's exciting for you Taylor is like you just said, because I've been there. When you have only had like two serious relationships truly and you get out and you have the mindset, like, I'm about to start dating, at first it's terrifying, because understandably we're all our own worst enemy and we're like, oh my God, I'm gonna be so awkward

and like, how do I like flirt and how do I be cool and whatever? But then when you start to find your groove, it's like fun and you actually enjoy yourself. And then you start to be like with him, I love that you were like, I just realized there's a nice guy out there

that has like green flags, what a concept. And I have a feeling that when you get to the mansion, you're gonna find a lot of those and you're gonna be like, wait a second, this is what it's supposed to feel like. I should be courted, I should be treated well, I should have all these great experiences, and I'm excited for you to experience that.

So yes, we like him, but I think it's gonna be exciting to also see how many other guys you end up liking.

Yes, and I also, yeah, and another guy, I was asking for advice from him, and he was just like, you don't have to be so quick to close, it's like there's this timeline, because he was gonna take me out on a date with, and I met Dakota and then he was gonna take me on a date now and then he saw it, he thought like,

are you dating people? Like, he's like, they're, what's the, why is it so fast on the closing? You know, and I'm like, that's a good question. He's like, ask yourself that and one, make them work for it. If you are, if they like you and you're dating other people, then they're gonna step up their game, really. You just mentioned Dakota.

Let's talk about your ex, Dakota. You're like, did I say that?

You said that. It was eventually gonna come up, let's be honest.

A huge storyline of Secret Lives was your relationship with your ex, Dakota, this past season. I'm assuming going on The Bachelorette

means that you two are done for good. Yeah.

Yes.

It's over. It's over.

And we'll see that play out.

Okay.

Yeah. Who made the final call to end it?

I did.

So you officially think it's over with him?

I don't think. I know.

Okay.

Yes. When was the last time that you guys hooked up?

Let me think on that one actually.

You're like, Alex. It's like sweating in here.

Is this call her daddy? Where am I?

What's happening?

No, I can't remember off the top of my head to be honest. Stage coach? Oh yeah, that might've been, maybe one after. Maybe one after.

Maybe one or two after. Okay, maybe a couple after.

Yeah, okay, again, it's just, it's just, it's been very confusing if I'm being honest, and I did want to end up with him. That was no secret to anybody, it still isn't, it wasn't a secret, and I'll always admit that to whoever asked me did I love him absolutely I had a baby with him I wanted to be with him but it just did not work out there were certain things that were forever closing for me and again that'll everyone will see that and I you know I can't speak on that yet but it closed the book for me but it was really hard to let go that was a hard pill to swallow that I can't be with you now and like there was no pain like it. I will say that was one of the hardest,

this last summer was one of the hardest summers I ever had because I was like, oh my gosh, Taylor, you have to accept that you're not ending up with him. And to walk away from someone you initially wanted is a pain that I can't describe to anybody unless you've probably, if someone's done it.

Yeah, so it was hard to let go fully. And it's like, when, oh, but did you hook up and this and that? And it's like, yes, I loved him. Like I wanted to be with, I can't, I won't be with him. But that was a hard one to, I had to let go.

And it was hard.

Dude, I think it's so hard. And I think a lot of us have been in those type of relationships where it ends so poorly, but then there's still a part of you when you were the one that was like hurt and done wrong where you're like, I wanna still like have a couple last moments with you

because like, fuck, I wish this didn't end the way that it did.

You know what I mean?

Yeah, like it's hard to let go. Like it is like, okay, F you. Yes, you do say that, but like, it still was not easy. And I did have those setbacks and I won't lie about them. Like I had them.

And I love that you're being honest though, because girls watching and listening, like we've all been there where you're like, okay, how am I gonna tell my friends that we were just together last night? And you're like sitting there in the morning being like, okay, I'm just gonna tell them, I'm just gonna tell them.

And we've all been there, so you almost can't judge yourself because that just means like you still need a little bit more closure and that's okay. And a lot of times I actually really believe

it takes finding someone new. Yes.

Because when you're just still in that rhythm. It's so hard to be like, okay, so now I'm just gonna go sit in my room and stare at the ceiling. Literally. If you don't have a guy taking you on a date that you actually like.

Yeah, I now understand that. Cause my friends were like, you just need to like get under someone else. And I'm like, ah, maybe not. Like I was like, I don't, that wasn't my intention, but to have maybe a new crush that, you know, distracts you or there are other guys out in the world.

You have to remember that because you hone in, you're like, no one else, no one else, but there is.

And you did that and you were like, wait, green flags, I'm having a great time.

Yeah, I'm like, oh my gosh.

I like this guy.

Yes. Have you told Dakota that you're going to be the Bachelorette? I have not confirmed it with him. So I don't know if he knows or if he's knew I had the opportunity. I haven't taken it. He doesn't know as of so he might know when does this come out? Wednesday. Yeah.

So he'll know Wednesday.

How do you think he'll react?

I think probably sad. If he I guess if anything he says is real, I would probably sad. If he, I guess, if anything he says is real, I would say sad. He does know that I was dating and meeting people. So that we've already had that first, I guess, I think that's the hardest part

is you see their first dating or hookup or whatever it is. That's gonna always like take a toll no matter what. And I can even say that with my ex-husband, right? It was always the first or just like, whoa, you know? But this is like official, like you're moving on.

Yeah. Do you think he'll watch?

Yes.

I think he's always watching as of now. And maybe it takes him to like someone new and focus on her and then maybe it'll be different. I can't say, but. Okay, well, now that you will be announced, they can finally start casting the men for your season.

I wanna walk through what your dream man is today, okay?

Okay.

We're gonna start with age. What is an ideal age range for you?

I prefer, I think, see, I'm at 30s, early 40s, youngest is the late 20s, but I think preferably 30s.

How much younger would you go, you think?

27, 28, the lowest. Lowest, lowest. And what is the highest you would go? Probably 42, 43. So that's about a 10 year difference.

Yeah, does he have to be willing to move to Utah?

Yes, yep. I mean, I'm sorry if that is a make or break for them, but yeah, I am in Utah and I have two baby daddies. I'm going nowhere. So you will be moving to me in Utah. So if you like me enough, you will be moving.

You will be moving.

Hey, Utah's pretty cool. It is.

Utah's not that bad.

What is an ideal career for him? Like what I, like what I- Yeah, like what do you want him to do? Oh, see that doesn't-

Doesn't matter.

Doesn't matter. Obviously I want him to be like hardworking, motivated. Like I prefer that. I don't, you know, want just someone that's not, right? Cause you're also like, I have three kids and I don't want to be the,

I don't want to be mom and dad. I'm now and it's really hard. And yes, they have their doubts, but I'm speaking in my own home, right? Like I'm doing a lot of things besides my support of my family, but at nights it's me, I have to wait till they go to bed to have a shower. Like things you typically can do, I can't do until I have a helping hand.

So yeah, I just want them to be like willing. Would you be down for like an influencer, social media creator type person? I would, I'd be open to it. Preferably not, but I would be open to it.

Would you be okay if you remain the breadwinner?

Yes, yes.

Okay, what does his ideal date night look like? Like what are you hoping he's doing on a date night for you?

See that changes, that switches up. Cause I do love, obviously, if you were to surprise me with a cute, like, let's say a out fun activity date, that's awesome. But to be honest, like I also love a really chill date.

So if we were just to go grab freaking fast food somewhere, put on our Crocs and sweats and go and get to know each other and just talk for hours and hours. I love that because you're getting to know them. I don't really wanna jump into, I've done the whole jumping into like, either if you're just like cooking up and I always regret that

cause it's like, I just gave you a really special thing, you know, and that I like to lead up to that. I wanna do that. And then also, I love communicating and talking, not just like, you can go distract yourself with the games, the arcades, jet skiing, whatever it is. Sure, those are fun and I wanna do those, but I also, I wanna get to know you.

I'm excited though, you saying that, because I think that will play really well into the Bachelorette, because although the format is so beautiful and romantic and you're doing these incredible extravagant trips, when it comes down to it, the way that you actually find your people by the end is by having very intimate conversations.

Although you'll be like on a fucking Ferris wheel or some shit in the middle of France. You're gonna be like, okay, wait, no, but tell me about your life.

Literally, and I'll be asking details that they don't like to, I make them very uncomfortable, I've learned. And I asked them, Indy position? Like, I literally like to, it's weird. It's not even, you can call it, I just like to know and I'm teasing to that extent, right?

If I'm knowing. You wanna know.

Girl, are you kidding me?

Literally, when I met my husband, I was like, let's talk about every single girl

you've ever dated in your life.

He was like, you, seriously. I like to know like the background of you and not even just girls, but your family. Like even church will be a fun one to like learn about new churches cause I'm open to any religion.

Like-

Okay, wait.

So confirming, does he need to be Mormon?

No, no.

Have you told your family that?

Yes, I preferably not. Okay. I mean, I'd obviously, because I'm, I'm Mormon, but like, I, he doesn't have to be. Okay, it's night one. He's walking out of the limo.

What do you want him to be wearing ideally?

Don't they all kind of have to wear tux? Well, I feel like as the night progressively goes on,

some of them are showing up in like swim trunks.

Oh.

It gets a little crazy.

You want him in a tux. Oh, that or I would actually be fine with jeans and a tux.

You're like, wear your sweatpants and your Crocs.

At that moment I'd be like, hey, if they know me, if they've done studies on me, they know that they are like, I can show up in Crocs and she'll be fine.

Watch every man shows up in fucking Crocs. What is something at an entrance moment with a guy that would be an immediate no?

Ooh, that's a good one. I have not thought that far, an immediate no. Okay, honestly, this is a big ego and you can tell that off energy. And so if someone's like, and I know they're trying to impress,

there's a difference I think between impressing and you can just tell their ego. So if I feel like it's a really strong one, to me it's gonna be like, like I think it's unattractive.

I completely agree. Okay, as I said, the entrances progressively get more and more and more insane and like shit gets really weird. How would you feel if a guy rolls up

and performs a strip tease? I would actually probably low-key love it. It'd be entertaining. Like, it would probably, you know, switch up the night. Yeah. Cause you know, you're probably doing some of the same, like getting to know you

and then someone just comes and strips. I'm like, hell yeah, let's switch it up.

Let's go.

He'd probably get it. He'd probably get a, is it? A rose. He'd get a rose. That doesn't mean everyone comes tripping. Okay, I can only handle one of that.

One boy.

Yeah. Okay, he comes in jeans, no shirt, on a horse and then lassoes you in.

Definitely, he's not going home night one either.

Dude, we're giving everyone the playbook. They're all gonna roll up.

I'm obsessed.

I'm an open mind too.

I love it. And you're also down to have fun, which I think is good. Yeah. Okay, last one. He pushes a stroller up the driveway, looks you in the eyes and says, he's ready to be a stepdaddy.

He might get that impression rose, the stroller wins.

He gets the first impression rose.

Okay, maybe not that far, but he's not going home night one either.

So he's getting the rose. Yeah. So he's getting the rose. Okay, people, like you had mentioned, you don't need the guy to be Mormon, which I think a lot of people were probably wondering, right, because you're on a show called Secret Lives of Mormon Wives and you are Mormon. But I think you have been criticized

for not being Mormon enough because of the way that you live your life publicly. What is your take on that?

So for me, I always say, I actually just had posted a TikTok and there was a comment saying like, hey, like you don't have to be in this cult religion to find happiness, because in the video, I'm reading the Bible and it's the Bible, not the Book of Mormon is what I'm not reading in the video.

So just make that clear. So to me, just to have those foundations, and I do preferably want someone that, you know, does believe in God, right? Because when you're raising your children and it can get confusing when one does it and one doesn't,

I do think about those things. And that's where I also like, I'll try to get to know them and where they stand on that. But I'm also, I am up for hearing their side of it because I have been also told, Like you believe so firmly in something and I can respect that, but there is also I don't believe in it and maybe you can respect that because we both don't have proof on it.

And it's that's where faith comes in right? There is I can't show you that it's real but I can only believe and that's faith and then also there's a point that he can't prove that it isn't right? And so that I was like that's a good take on it. Like, you're right, I can't prove anything. But I think the foundations of like even Christianity is kind of all like just the phone, like love, family, service, all the basics

is what I really care about and how you treat other people. I don't really care what religion you are. How do you treat other people? That is what I look at.

As you're saying that, I'm curious, like how has your family handled, obviously with the success of The Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, the spotlight on you guys not being Mormon enough?

Really? I think for the most part, well, obviously I am, I have the thick skin that I do because of them because I wouldn't, I don't think be here today with all of the criticism I've gotten, you know, so they've made us very tough and in a way of yes my mom was growing up very blunt and honest and I think that's a good thing because I was able to Take what I take on now today because I was always told the truth, even if it was the hard truth, right? And They were pretty laxed I think they're very like we you know We just understand like people make mistakes and yeah people do all these these things that Mormons say, oh, that's not how we live, that's not how we live.

Yes, it is. Yes, some of us do. It's just behind closed doors, you're not willing to show it and that's why it broke the freaking internet because a lot of us do do those things, but it wasn't, it was very image-based.

Like this is how we live, we all make mistakes, we're all freaking human, we're no better than anybody else, but it pissed people off because it's like, but that's not what we believe in. Okay, it doesn't matter if I drink, that doesn't make me a bad person. If I smoke, if I take a sip of coffee, all the freaking rules,

it doesn't make me less of a person than you. And that was the point of it.

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impact your relationship to how you felt about sex?

Very obviously taboo. So if I'm doing it, I'm not talking about it. I'm not telling my parents. I'm not telling anybody. I was very, I don't want to say secretive, but I was very like, ooh, like I felt shame, guilt, so it's gonna be a secret.

And that I think is where everything, the irony in that is where I'm like, when my shit came out, I was like, but why hide it? Because I am already doing it. Like, so, oh, well, just freaking own it at this point. So yeah, it's something obviously we're taught, don't have sex until you're married.

And I have, I go back and forth with this too, people's opinions, because I see what they're saying. I obviously does prevent a lot of things of like pregnancies or STDs or just things that like you, it does affect you if you're having sex, right? But at the same time, I hate that I felt like

if I did do it, even though I wasn't married, that I'm this awful person and to sit in that shame. And I've also done that, like for an experience I have done that where I've cried after a lot. And I'm like, oh my gosh, I did something so bad. And like, the guy was like really nice

and he was just like, but you didn't, you're not a bad person. And he was trying to convince me, and I'm like, but I am. And like, it's just almost like you're, you grow up with this guilt of it. And I don't know if that's already just engraved in how we were raised, but, and that's no one to blame. I think we were like, obviously my parents, their parents taught them that and so on and so forth. I don't really relate to that. It's like very taboo. And when that would come up, a lot of people are still uncomfortable. Like it's sacred. And I do understand that too.

It's personal. And some people, maybe it should be personal too. Like I think moving forward for me, I don't probably wanna be talking about my sex life, to be honest. I've been there, I do want to be personal with my next person and maybe not talk so much on it.

And maybe that's just something I've grown into, you know?

So going on The Bachelorette, obviously the fantasy suites are this like, huge conversation around each season. Because, you know, we see you guys on go on dates, we see everyone form these connections, but then when you're down to three people,

the fantasy suites come into play. Have you thought about how you are going to approach that?

I have, I have and I have it set down. Oh my God. But going prior to that, so I don't know if you watched the Kelsey season, they're Kelsey and Joey. Oh, okay, yeah, yeah, I watched some of it. Okay, so in the fantasy suites,

they never talked about it. And I wanted to know, because obviously he ended up picking Kelsey, but I'm like, but did he sleep with all of them? Did he sleep with two of them? Because you could tell he loves Kelsey.

But for me, obviously, if someone had said they loved me and they slept with all of us, Like, it would be. So I was so curious, I'm like, wait, I need to know. Did he, did they not? And they never spoke on it, which maybe out of respect, that's something he didn't want to share. And so I also respect that. I'm like, okay, maybe he just didn't want his sex life

being broadcasted and him and his future potential wife. You know? So I kind of respect that too. It was never said. For me, I do know how I'm gonna go into that, but I don't wanna give that away yet, right?

No, no, that's fine, that's fine. Let's say that ended up happening. You had two connections, or three, and it ended up getting physical, and then the men judged you for that. How would you handle that moment?

Obviously, I'd feel lots of guilt. I'd feel shitty, and yeah, how can you be telling these, like if there's one specifically, let's just say hypothetically, I'm telling one that I really, that I want him in my head,

or I'm telling him maybe on there, and then I do that, to me it's like, well, you didn't like me that much because you wouldn't have risked me. And so I've been on the the risk of like, if you did do this, potentially you could lose me.

It's so hard though, because as I'm, I agree with you. Because if I was in the position, I'd be like, wait, if I'm the front runner, how are you literally sleeping with this person? But what about me? I think where it becomes complicated.

Is that what you signed up for? A little bit, and I guess my question to you would be, I, and everyone's different, but I think a physical connection is so important in a relationship. And I think, which is gonna be interesting to see with your season is,

we can sit here all day and strategize, and you can be like, Alex, I am going in, and I have a plan that if I know my front runner, maybe I will hook up with them, but no one else. And then how many seasons have we seen where they're literally standing with the producers in the back room being like, I'm going to lose my mind.

I love them both. Like I'm literally in love with two people, what do I do? And if you're in that situation, Taylor, is it fucked up to be like, yeah, do you have to find out then what the physical connection is? Because what if you are not as physically attracted or compatible with someone?

Yeah, I know.

I don't think this is gonna happen,

but do you know what I mean?

I feel that, and it's funny because my mom's back right here watching because I've told her that, and I'm like, mom, you have to test the car before. Like, how do do think that. And so that's where it gets confusing for me

because I'm like, I understand the waiting game. But in that situation per se, three, you know, two, three people, for me, I would feel disrespectful doing it to two people. And that's not to say like, if there's another person doing that, to each their own.

Yeah. I also think in previous seasons, the biggest note to anyone who has done that, it almost hasn't even been about them doing it and that's why people are mad. It's the lack of communication that comes with that where it's like, be straightforward.

Be like, I know this is the hardest thing to say, I'm very torn right now. And so like, I need to explore both 100% in order to know at the end. And like, but people never fucking do that. But I get it, because it's so hard

because you're in the moment and then words get jumbled

and you're like, okay,

so you're gonna try to be straight up. Yes, I think, like you just said, be honest, because I think I can go back from my own experiences of like, the issue is what you didn't tell me. Like I was blinded by it. That's where it hurts. It's like the betrayal of it.

So I think if you're straight up, but I also do think in my mind, if I'm trying to think of the flip side, This is The Bachelor. He likes me, he's telling me this, and then he sleeps with all of us. To me, I'm like, but I wasn't your special one then. I'm not that special because you just risked me and you just lost me.

So I do see that, and maybe that's the wrong mindset, like going into this, I don't know. But for me, I think if you really, you're wanting one, and let's just say, yeah, you are in love with both, but I think there is one you like more than the other. I agree with you. One has to be a front runner in your heart and in your soul. But I think it takes a lot to get to the point of how you know that person is the right one.

Because sometimes you don't see people for a long time or you have more dates with one like, girl, I'm. Everything you just said. Ow. No, the thing is, because I've never experienced it. So when you're saying, yeah, you could say this all day, but you've never done it. So how do you know?

And you're right.

What would your reaction be if one of the guys that was a front runner said that he wanted to wait

till marriage for sex? Uh, that's a hard one. I would respect it, because I'm like, you're being respectful, but you're like, my family would love you, but, but. That, gosh damn, that's a hard one. Because like you said, see, I think there's a difference between, but like, I would be like you said, see I think there's a difference between but like I would be like okay if we were like the only ones and we were dating and we you know we had time but like to be married I would probably say I want to date I

also if there's an engagement whatever it is a process I still am like taking my time with that too. So I'm not getting married like tomorrow so are you how long are you willing to wait and so that could be an issue down the road.

You, like we said, have been married and you've talked about in the past that you kind of felt pressured at that point in your life to get married. The bachelorette obviously ends in engagement. How are you feeling about that?

Like realistically a man getting down on one knee after this, putting a ring on your finger. Tell me how you feel.

I mean, I feel like I am not one that's gonna do it unless I feel that I'm ready for it. But let's just say I do find the man of my dreams and he's there and I fall in love. If we get engaged, I still, again, I do wanna take the time to be engaged

and still get to know him, because obviously it's no secret that this is a short-lived process. So I do want to take that time again. It's going to be my third serious relationship. I have children. It's going to, it is a lot more serious rather than some like I'm not a young girl just dating and like it's not going to be like that for me.

It just isn't and that's okay., but I would still wanna get to know that person and the engagement, yeah, obviously I can see it because to me, if something were to come up that is alarming, you can break it off, you know? But it's not a full-on marriage where you're going through divorce and whatnot.

And then also there's that time to grow and get to know them and then it's even more beautiful because it's a story. And then you get married, you know? So it can go both ways, but I'm a very honest person. I'm going to say it as it is. Like, and I'm only going to do it if it's the right person.

What is something in the past that you thought you wanted in a partner romantically and now you're like, I don't want that in a person anymore.

Okay, I've learned that I cannot do the life of the party. Guy, I can't do it. I can't do the class clown. And I'm attracted to that, yes I am. I'm like, oh yeah, because they're your vibe, they're like high energy. Like I'm that way sometimes.

But a passive is what I've learned that I think is best for me. Like someone that is like personality fun, but like do your thing, do your thing. I'm one that cannot be controlled. It actually makes me worse or told what to do.

That is something that I don't, I'm all for like advice or like compromise that I can do. But when they're like, yeah, for me, I've learned, I went from one extreme to the other of like, yes, very passive, kind of do your own thing to one, a very let's do everything together.

And so when I found that, I was like, oh my gosh, I love this, he wants to do everything with me. And then it's like, oh, okay, like it becomes a lot. And then I think I need someone in that middle, that middle. Yeah, it's almost like you can kind of use your past experiences to make sure you're shaping yourself around the right human being. Because again, when you've only had like one

to two experiences, it is tough to be like, wait, what else is out there? And you're gonna have 20 plus men and you're gonna be overwhelmed with the amount of different personalities. But the life of the party is so fucking real. It's so attractive in the moment.

And then after like the fifth party, you're like, okay, I'm like over here. Like, hello, can you stop doing that? I wanna talk about your ex Dakota in terms of throughout that relationship, you were very vocal that you kind of

always felt like something was off. Why do you think you kept trying to convince yourself

that you should stay?

Because I thought in my mind that it was me, trauma, like it was too much back to back. So I got divorced, I had to go public I got divorced I had it go public I had a miscarriage I had another miscarriage so for me it was a lot of like my own decisions and then some were not my own like obviously losing you know having two miscarriages back to back is was not my decision right like and then so that is postpartum you're I'm in postpartum and so I

felt like you're right I just have a lot going on. There's a lot of trauma here. I need to work through this. It was always like, I believed that I'm feeling off because I'm scared. There's just so much back to back that I'm not in my right mind is what I felt like.

And so for me, I was almost convinced like, everything's okay, you're just scared because you've been through so much pain. And so I believed that. And so I'm like, you're right, over time, I can heal this, we can do it and it's great. And boy, was that a learning lesson. Like, and it's just like,

I will never question that intuition ever again, because I'm glad I went through that. I realized how it's a gift. I was how spot on I am in not just that situation or that relationship, but in other circumstances, it has been spot on almost to the actual thing. And it's actually, I'm surprised at myself.

I'm like, oh my gosh, like how did I know so many things? And so for me, that voice is so there and loud now and moving forward to someone else, I will know instantly. Like the fact that if I even have to question that, I know it's there.

But that in itself, I get pissed because I'm like, Taylor, you knew, you knew and you knew and you literally did not listen to yourself. You trusted someone else over your own gosh damn self. Like you literally like, I get resentful with myself, but I'm like, okay, I can't change it.

We can't change the past. So I'm gonna have to accept that that happened. I'm gonna have to accept that I ignored it and to never do that again. So in my future relationship, there's an inkling of like question, wondering. I will never feel that anxiety ever again in my bed,

like with someone, like if I feel it was what I felt. It's like, when you're with someone, that's, I guess, it's a good situation, there's this peace that it comes with.

When you go into The Bachelorette, you're not gonna have your phone to, like, fact-check what these men are saying, and you can't sleuth, and you can't look, and you can't stalk, and you can't do all the things

that we girlies do. to build trust with men in this season? Yeah. Just based off of their word. Yeah, it is. I think it's one, a feeling, two, you can kind of feel it, which is cool for us girls, because we're like, ah, you're bullshitting me,

but let's go.

Or it's just a peaceful feeling. And also I think everything comes to the surface. So for me, I'm not worried, like if they're lying about something and it happens to come out later, dude, like how did you think it wasn't, if, please, please, please, please, if you haven't watched the freaking, also our show, because like everything comes to the surface

and not just in my life, but I've seen it in all like, you know, friends and family's life. Like if you're lying, it's going to come out.

How do you feel about all these men having the opportunity to watch Secret Lives of Mormon Wives? Like, do you, does it freak you out a little bit? Do you want them to watch? Do you not want them to watch?

I go back and forth, because obviously my first season, I was so freaking pregnant. And for me, it was like, it's hard to watch yourself be pregnant with 70 pounds on, I'm emotional.

My life is a mess. Like, it's really hard to watch, it's PTSD, like for me, I'm just like, so it could scare them a little bit of like, I'll give you an example of just the guy that came out of state to visit me, right? He did not wanna watch the whole series because he's like, I wanted to know you for you

and not the show. And honestly, if he had watched it, he might've been a little nervous to come, right? And he, but he still had seen, you know, clips and whatnot, but he said, you're just so different than I would have thought in a better way, I would hope. But he's like, you're more calm and chill.

And you're, there's like, I've been told like, there's a peaceful presence, which I'll never understand that one. Cause my mind is loud, right? So when people say that, They're like, where did you get that from, babe? Yeah, but it is.

And he was like, it's been, like, I just didn't expect it. And so I think that's kind of exciting too. And if they do see it, they maybe they get a whole nother side of me too that they don't know. So.

That's a good point. watched it or not. And there has been a lot of moments that we've seen. I know that we saw one of your lowest moments play out on the show, the night of your arrest. When you do look back at that version of yourself, like what do you feel?

That'll never be in a topic that's like not, that doesn't like, obviously I feel like a lump in my throat because it's just such a hard time in my life. And so all I resort, I never really even think about me in that situation. Obviously it's like my kids because they were involved, right? They were in the house and I never, the charges were all dropped. I never had hurt my daughter. I never intentionally did anything with my children. I never have ever. And so that was like the hardest time,

just because like, I am such a passive mom and like really good to my kids, so to be known as something like that was like, that is like the worst time. But in that moment that we see on screen, I see a lot of pain

and I didn't have any tools at that time, so I was like very lost. And I remember you can hear it on the tape, and I'm like, they're like, what's wrong, what's wrong? I'm like, I'm in so much pain and sad, and I'm literally like, it's on the tape. Like, I'm crying, he's like, he's like acting like I'm like,

hurt, he's like, what's wrong, what's wrong? I guess I never even look at it for me like the time and that's why I've held guilt. It's just like, because I could have been like, my therapist is like, you were trying your best with what you knew you had. I never been through anything like that. So I didn't have the tools and they were like,

but you have to give yourself grace cause you didn't know and you didn't have it. And I was like, but that you could have, they're like, so you did the best that you can and they're telling me it's in therapy, but I'm like, no, it wasn't though. I like, I wasn't for my kids. Like, I think I was being very selfish and I've accepted that I was selfish at that time,

but I've learned from it. And I've been trying to, you know, make up for an obviously amounts of a therapy, like immense amounts of therapy and tools and learning I made up time with my kids and having to, you know, deny a lot of opportunities. And it's because I wanna be with my kids. Like I did have a lot of time of grieving and loss

that I don't want any more wasted time for my kids. They're only small for so long. So that is a hard topic. And just due to the, you know what, we all know about it, but that was, yeah, one of my lowest nights on freaking TV and it's embarrassing,

but with that has come a lot of learning lessons and I've become a better mom because of it, because in my next relationship and even just the one, like, the little dating that I've done, it's just like, I'm sorry, but I don't wanna go on a date.

I wanna sit here and I wanna ride bikes with my kids tonight and that's what I'm choosing because that is to me what feels like I should be doing on my days. That's what I should have been doing. It was a lesson learned.

I mean, I see it, the amount of pain that still lives in you, but I also think we just keep seeing your growth, even if it's not glamorous.

Like- Yeah, it's not easy and there's no right answer on that other than I've tried to learn from it. There was obviously also the whole controversy over the swinging parties that you and your ex-husband would go to became the biggest conversation at the time online.

Do you have any worries about how the men this season might perceive that situation? Yeah. See, that one's also another hard one because yeah, they can have their preconceived assumptions and their families and their parents will probably also like, it's not like, I don't know, like, right, if their parents are to read it, they'd be like, oh, well, be careful, be safe. Like that's, you know, but again, if they know, if they've followed anything or the journey,

they go look at my Instagram, whatever, there has been such progress too, that it's just like not who I am anymore. It was three years ago, it was a very short-lived, let's see, learning lesson. That's another one I've learned, right? For me, don't open your marriage because it didn't end well. And whatever, if you have an open marriage, great. If you have your system down, great.

I don't judge on that either because obviously I tried it, but it didn't work out, you know? And I don't think it would ever be healthy for me. And I think when you're really in love with someone, you're probably not wanting to share them. there were lots of issues in the marriages and I would never do that again. And also even put my foot in the position, right? I think things start very innocently and not meant to be like that or

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I would give a rose. Yeah, trauma dumping, I mean, sometimes that's how you get to know someone, and I feel like what I do is also explain my story, and my story is a trauma dump, so I'm going to have to do that, so I would expect that also. So, and we have limited time. So Rose.

I was gonna say like maybe in the real world, if it's the first date, you're like, whoa, but you have, this guy may be like, this is the only one-on-one I'm gonna get for weeks. I'm taking my shot. I gotta let her know where I'm coming from.

So I agree. Yeah. Okay, he's extremely supportive of your career, but won't be in your TikToks.

No, Rose. That's my life, that's my job. Like, if you don't wanna, I mean, okay. Yeah, yeah, no, Rose.

You're like, absolutely not. Get in here and do the Renegade.

No, I, okay, not to maybe that extent, but like I do a lot of family vlogging and that's like what I share and that's my kids and I want him to be in my family and if I have to like blur out him, I'm like, duh, I wanna show him off. Do the women of MomTalk need to approve of him?

I mean, I do what I want, so no. No, I would like their opinion. Tell me what you think, but if you say no and I still love him, I'm going with him. Sorry. Perfect. Okay, he's protective of you, but gets jealous on group dates. Rose. Are you the jealous type? See, I wasn't and then I was, and now I'm, I kinda am, yes, but I don't wanna be like the crazy jealous type.

You know, I'm like, ooh, like kinda jealous, but I don't wanna be, I don't wanna be possessive ever.

He got your first rose, probably from doing the strip tease.

Oh gosh. But he has drama with the other guys. Rose, because it could be like an alpha thing where men are like, you know, they don't like him already because it's kind of like the Maria of the group, right? Like a lot of girls just didn't like her because she was like thriving and living her best life.

And she's like, why do you guys not like me? And I'm like, yeah, why don't you guys not like her? Like, she's awesome.

It's a great point. Yeah. Okay, he has an amazing personality, but physically he isn't your type.

Rose.

Do you think that physical connection can build over time? Absolutely, yeah. But I have fallen for people that like, not fallen, but like liked people that aren't my type. And then, okay, for example, I'll just say within the swinging thing,

like the one that I ended up liking was the one that everyone was like, I would have had no idea you liked him. So like in everyone's, it's just you can surprise yourself sometimes.

Your children love him, but your mom hates him.

Yeah, that's a hard one. My mom doesn't hate a lot of people. So if she's hating him, that to me is her intuition is off, which would kind of nerve me out. So that would, that'd be a hard one. If my mom's hating him, I probably would not.

Are you planning on introducing your kids to any of the men? I would like to, I thought about this and I think the last runner ups, I don't know if it's like a two or three, how I would, it ends up for me, but yeah,

I think that's very important. I wanna see how they interact with kids. I wanna see if they all kind of vibe or if they even like it or are they comfortable or is this like, oh, like maybe it scares them and like, oh, maybe I was ready, but now that I'm surrounded by three little kids,

I don't know if I can do this. So I think that's a tester in itself. So yeah, I think, and I will always obviously introduce them as like very like surface base, like not like this is gonna be your daddy type thing,

like very surface of like just trying to get to know them,

but I wanna see how they interact, absolutely. And you said that you would be down for a man who has kids of his own. Do you think that would be a plus? Like, do you think that would make someone stand out more or it's like not something you're like looking for, but you're so down if they have it?

The second one, probably not like per se looking for, but if you have them, great. It's not like a deal breaker at all. Okay, talk to me about hometowns. What are you most nervous for when it comes to hometowns? Meeting their moms.

You're like, hey girl.

Hey, I am.

Well, she's like the big at secret lives fam.

I didn't even think about that part actually. Because what if they only like it because of the show? They don't even like me. They're like, oh hell yeah, just the show. I didn't even think about that. Or the sisters.

Or like asking you for tea.

Or maybe the sisters.

Like the sisters are actually the scary one. Yeah, yes. Those are scarier than the moms sometimes, I think. Honestly, they're protective.

Do you feel like you're good with parents? Yes.

Okay. and they always love me until they don't. And that's just given the circumstances, I'm sure you can assume that obviously there were hard issues there, but yes, they usually like me.

How would you handle falling in love with someone and then at hometowns you realize that you don't get along with his family?

That would be a first for me. I've never dated someone that I did not vibe with their family, never. Would it be a first for me. I have never dated someone that I did not

Vibe with their family never would it be a deal-breaker? I

Mean, I think for them maybe well, yeah, they don't like me. I can't like convince you to like me so

But no not if he loved me no

Would you need your parents approval in order for you to an accepted engagement? I don't need their approval. I would want them, obviously I want their advice on it, but no, if I fall in love with someone and they're not obsessed with me, it's not up to them. So I hate to say it, but they're not the ones you have to end up with.

It's me and my mom always says that we're not the ones who end up with them, it's your choice and so I like that, even if they're not fans, but obviously looking at my past, maybe I should listen to my parents too.

Okay, well last season on Secret Lives of Mormon Wives, your family barbecue, we watched your parents essentially side with your ex Dakota Dakota, a little bit. How has that impacted the way that you share your personal life with them?

It actually grew our family closer together. I don't know if it was like a reflection that they watched and my dad has become very, just very extra caring and like he'll check in on me and he like, I don't know if it just like maybe he watched it on TV and it really stuck with him and was like, whoa, like maybe I should, a reflection of like, I, he hasn't said it, I can almost feel it, like he's really been great and so loving and And I think, I will say maybe it touched him

in a way of like, I did not even realize. And same thing with my mom. She's actually like, they've just changed since and for the better. And I don't know if it was like, I saw myself and I didn't know the extent

or maybe I just wasn't listening to you and you wanted to be heard. I don't know what it was, but things have really changed and we got, we've been so close ever since. So you didn't have a conversation, but after it aired you can feel they shifted. Oh no, no, we had a con, oh I mean we also, we all cried during it. Like it was a very hard Yes, you see a lot of our lives, but you don't see every piece of it. So there was a lot going on right at the time

and I'm postpartum, it is very heightened, you know? And so, I mean, that very night, my dad came up to me and like hugged me and said, I'm so sorry, like, I love you. And obviously that wasn't even, but my family is so supportive. Like they are like my ride or die crew and they would do anything for me.

And I don't know if people realize that, but they would. Are they harsh? Yes. Have we had family fights? Yes. That is not where-

I don't know if that's normal, but for us it's normal. And we bicker and fight and we go home and we're mad and the next day we love each other, it's family. Totally.

So. Okay, if you're getting engaged, have you thought about what kind of ring you want?

No, I'm so simple, you can Amazon it for me.

Stop Taylor.

I'm not even, maybe okay, I'm not gonna do that

because it's such a hard one.

Don't put that crazy extravagant. I'll probably lose it to be honest. So like maybe two, two cheap ones that I could sell.

Make sure you get insurance, whoever you are, insurance and a backup fake one that she can wear out.

Yes, okay, that. I just, I, when it comes to materialistic things like that, I am not big on, like I'm not picky on. It's not about even the ring, it's the symbol, it's the meaning, that's what matters.

You're down for whatever cut, whatever style. Okay, love that for you. What are you most excited about heading into filming?

Excited, I don't know. It's so surreal. I think I think is my husband popping out of a limo here in a month, right? Like I have to think about that. Is this like am I going to be am I getting engaged to one of these men, do I come home with a man? Isn't that crazy?

It's about to go down. Your life is about to change.

Change forever. Forever.

You also have season three of Secret Lives of Mormon Wives coming out this fall. Yes. I know we have to be tight-lipped because we have to wait, but can you tell us anything about it?

It is a closure to a chapter of my life. But like, it's like almost like a cliffhanger of like what happens next because there is some like a chapter closing.

Okay, we're going to end with some Secret Lives rapid fire.

Oh gosh.

Who was the biggest villain of season two?

Oh, I mean, Demi, we all knew that.

Yeah. And what is your current relationship with her?

We're fine, we're good now. Yeah, she got very humbled, which was, I said, sometimes that's great. I've been there, Demi, I've been there. I've been very on the other side, so I know what you're feeling.

I know what that's like. I know what it's like, you can only when someone's trying to be better. Okay. Yeah, that's all you can do. Why do you think she actually didn't go to the reunion? Probably because there was a lot of heat. I mean, I mean, Disneyland's great, but like, there was probably a lot of heat and she wasn't ready for it.

Who in the cast are you currently the closest to?

Probably Macy, Micaela, Jesse. Like we kind of do more things together. Yeah.

Do you think you know the truth of what happened at Vanderpump Villa?

I don't think I know and I don't think anyone who's to say forever know.

Are Jesse and Jordan still together?

As far as I know.

Okay. What are three words you would use to describe the current state of mom talk?

Cordial. Maybe a little confused and hyped. There's a lot coming.

Has anyone left MomTalk since the reunion?

No.

Okay, last question. What do you want viewers to know about you tuning into this season of The Bachelorette? There may be some people that are gonna become new fans. There may be some already existing fans that are gonna see you in a different light.

What do you want them to take from all of this?

Well, more so if they're like, you know, it's an, I know they're, maybe a newer fan base. So if you don't know me, maybe just like a fair shot at maybe what you've heard about me, you've seen, maybe, yeah, just a fair shot as anyone else.

And I am learning as anyone else and I've more self-aware, I've made a lot of mistakes, I've learned. Honestly, I'm so grateful for this opportunity. I as well don't know how I am here, but I'm thankful. And I can only just say thank you to everyone who's ever supported me

and been here from the beginning, even through all the ugly and stuck by me and saw this through and not just judged me and was like, she sucks. And maybe there are, and that came back through of like learning lessons.

Cause all you can do when someone is messing up, learn from it and do better. You don't have to stay in that hole of becoming worse and worse. You can come out.

I am so fucking excited to watch the season of The Bachelorette. I am so happy. Sorry if anyone was looking forward to it. I'm happy it's not a guy. You are the best surprise.

I think people are going to actually fucking shit themselves when they see this announcement. They're gonna be like, there's no fucking way. There's no way Taylor Frankie Paul is about to be the bachelorette.

Yes, she is. Can I also say though that with everything I just said, still probably mistakes coming. I'm like, obviously like- I don't know, we want the messy Taylor. I don't want you to go in there and be like- Like obviously there's no secret with that. And so like, obviously like I'm trying to do better,

but I still to this day, I'm like, what the am I doing? Girl, if there is not chaos and messiness when you date 20 plus men. There's no such thing. There's no such thing with me.

How would you bring that same energy to the bachelorette? And we're all gonna love it, seriously. I unfortunately naturally do that, so it's fine. Perfect, perfect. Thank you so much for coming on Call Her Daddy. I cannot, cannot wait to see if you have a ring

on your finger in a couple months and good luck.

Thank you so much for having me. It's been an honor to be here. You're amazing and honestly, I look up to you because I feel like you came out of a taboo thing and you were just like, here it is. You talked about,

yeah, or wanted to admit, you know, and you got them to say it and here you are today. So congrats to you as well.

Thank you, thank you.

Yeah.

Love you, good luck.

Thank you.

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