The Clavicular Interview

Ladies and gentlemen, it's Clavik here.

You've got fresh lawsuits this week.Ran over Stalker in Tesla.Part owner of a club in Miami.Overdosage.

Was that experience a wake -up call?I was kind of using the drugs as a cope to come across as like a normie.

You've been on tests since you were 14.Correct.You actually took a hammer to your face to shape your jawbone.Yes.Did your parents really have to hide the hammers around the house?

They did.That was not a joke.

Are you on like the spectrum?

Drake said Clav has a micro.Does he?

No, not micro.I've been doing P .E.for a while.

Would that be considered f***ing maxing?

You don't have to, like, add max to everything.I would rather my d*** never work again and keep all of my hair than anything.

I don't like that one at all.That one's crazy.

How important is it to you to also make the girl have an a**?The amount of extra effort is just not going to really have much ROI.

When that girl slapped you, was that real?Yeah.Could you see why she hit you?Not really.I saw a video of you kissing a mom and then kissing her daughter.Yeah.

It appears, at least from your streams, you have game.

I'd just like to skip straight to the point and just ask if a girl wants to have s**t.Bro, I'm so entertained.

Why don't you rate me and Logan?

Okay.I'd probably rate you a 3 .75.Alright, I'm up.I'm gonna say...Are these intentionally placed or can I drink?You can drink one.

Yeah, yeah, go for it.

That's pro, wait, are we on?Are we currently going?That's the protein.You had regular Prime, because I saw a clip of you drinking it.Yeah.I think.

But there's protein.Did I say anything about it?Yeah, you can say whatever you want.

No, did I?

Oh, no, no, no.You said that we wanted to have you on the show, which is obviously true, as evidenced by the fact that you're here right now.and I think I think your homie was like Are you're gonna say no, right?And you're like, why would I say no?And then you were talking about mine a new meeting and how we've talked about you You on the show and over the past couple months and that we were being kind which is true.

Yeah Yeah, you guys have had a couple clips recently that I I saw where it was positive with the basketball guy.He's really good.I could see why a lot of the NBA players don't want to go against him in a one -on -one.There's really nothing to gain from that.That's kind of the same way I see boxing and doing those cards.You're really putting a lot on the line, unless you're fighting someone who's like so much better than you, like where if you lose, like the one guy with Jake.

Jake and Anthony Joshua.

Yeah, where people are like, okay, like this is some ballsy stuff.Correct.

But if you, it's a, they call it an aura gamble, right?It's like, sorry to be 41 and say that, but it is what they call it.The biggest example of it was certainly Tate versus It's Marcus.What's his name again?The guy that he fought?

Oh, shit.

What's his fucking name again?I don't know.I forgot.What was the guy that beat up Tate?

Chase D 'Amour.Chase D 'Amour.Chase D 'Amour.

Well, I mean, it's an aura gamble to normies because they don't really understand the sport.When I consider it impressive, regardless of what happens to go through a training camp like that, because I've boxed for even one and a half hours and, you know, I have to go to sleep right after.The fact that you do your eight -week training camp, you go in the ring for however many rounds, and however you perform, it's still something to be proud of, win or loss.

Boxing is insanely high input.It takes a lot out of you, high output.All right, back to the topic of how you got here.I'll speak for myself, and I think you could say some stuff as well.I have been very intrigued by your content over the past few months.Past, I guess, even longer, probably.

How long has it been now since you've been kind of on?

Since about November.

November.Okay, so like six months.Six months.

Yeah.

There's been a tremendous number of people who have come up under this new wave of alpha.These aren't definitions for you, but this alpha or prior to that was red pill and kind of like.Started with this tape and all the people that have come up.I never wanted to have any of them on the show I'm gonna be honest with you like they were super intriguing people For some reason the content that you put out is very to me at least seems like it's very authentically you you're a young guy You're trying to figure out life.You have some very Interesting ways of going about it to say the least and That that's interesting to me and I and I think I think you get certain leniencies because of your age Yeah, maybe.Do you feel like that though?

Because people are really hard on you as well.

Yeah, I just don't know.I don't think a lot of people even really know my age up until quite recently.So at the start of my career, that definitely wasn't the case because I would say that I look a little bit older.But yeah, you're absolutely right.A lot of that that red pill like stuff is garbage and the alpha male thing.It's something I usually will kind of meme on because those guys have to play a 24 seven persona, which, you know, when you're doing these long IRL streams like I do, it just eventually the mask would slip.

So I was never, uh, someone who was like, all right, I'm going to fake being like this alpha personality and do all this shit.that way I can just be real and like have some vulnerable moments on the stream you know where I fuck up and you know it's okay because you're not trying to impress anyone so that's part of the reason I think the content just hits and resonates a lot more.

We didn't do an intro for Clev.

That's a good point.We did not.

No, sorry.

We have it.

Yeah, we have an intro for you here.I'm gonna bring the energy on this.

Today's guest is the king of look smaxing and the most talked about man on the internet.

That's a fact.If you've been online, you've seen the clips.We're talking mogging, aura farming, turning internet culture into a full -blown movement.Ladies and gentlemen, I can't believe I'm saying it.

It's Clavicula.

Thank you, guys.How old are you, Clev?20.Dude, that is fucking insane.You are so young and you definitely get a pass for some of the crazy shit we've seen you doing because of your age.Obviously won't get a pass forever, but like Mike said and like you kind of just said which I thought was actually really mature You are living your life online.

You're streaming.You're sharing you're having those vulnerable moments.You've had some crazy moments online Yeah, even like bro.I'm reading.I'm reading.I know it's hard to know where to start the headlines on this PDF are insane Yeah, it's like ran over someone in ran over stalker in Tesla Drake this clap for having a micro Oh a part owner of a club in Miami Oh overdosage Well, what where do you want?

Where do you start is the question?And also this is kind of an indicative question and you know helps a little bit when you sit down on an interview This is something that was interesting to me to like we'll have people come on sometimes would be like hey steer clear of this topic steer clear Nobody said shit to me.Like you've got you've got fresh air Lawsuits this fucking week like as of 24 hours ago.

Mm -hmm.

Is there anything that's off -limits to you to talk about?

Not really, because it's just impossible to avoid.Like when you're going around and doing these IRL streams, people come up and they'll say things or you know, TTS will come through.It's just not something that could really be moderated.Like it's not like YouTube, oh cut that out.You know, I fucked up.So I'm very used to like the live open format style where anything goes, because it's sure like with all those headlines you ran, like You know, literally anything goes on the streams.

I don't even know what's going to happen most days when I step out into the world with the camera, you know, so no reason to try to avoid or steer clear of anything.

Why did you choose streaming versus like vlogging or short form content?

Um, I... would just say because I hopped on other people's streams on Kick, and a lot of people liked it.They said, hey, do more collabs, do this.And that was something that kind of just segmented really well for me to go from doing collab appearances to having my own show.And also, the people I was around, Aiden, the SSB guys, Like they were telling me about like some of the, um, you know, deals and ways you could monetize it.And I was like, well, this makes a little bit more sense for me than doing the YouTube route.You know?

I mean, clearly it was the right strategy and obviously like streaming is the medium for success, especially in the demo that you're in.Does, do you, are you ever like a little bit worried or scared about the fact that everything's live and the fact that anything could happen?

Um, I wouldn't say so now, but, you know...more you grow and the more that's on the line, the more people want to knock you down a peg or two.And I guess that's kind of what we've seen this week.So yeah, it's getting there, where I definitely have to be more conscious, more security, moving a little bit smarter with what I do.But for now, I just try to think about making the best content possible.And the more restrictions you put on yourself, the worse the content obviously gets.

I'm kind of curious.For you, what does the best content possible look like?Because your style is super intriguing.I've said it on this show, it's like I'm just captivated.The clips come on and just new environment, new person, new interaction.Sometimes you're like an amplified version of yourself.

So like, are you going into it with intention about what you're gonna do for the day?

No, never.You're just being.Yeah, like we'll just go outside sometimes and have no idea what's even gonna happen like 10 minutes from now, but usually the interactions just kind of form naturally themselves.Like sometimes we'll have like a rough idea of like a location we're going, but like it could quite literally be I'll just decide to go outside and I'll just get on a random bus somewhere.

Okay, so when that girl slapped you, was that real?Yeah.Did it hurt?Not really.

It looked like she got you.I mean, it's just kind of, like, so shocking, like, it's not something you expect, so you're just, like, more, like, stunned than anything.Did you sue her parents?Um, not gonna talk about that one.Well, that's off -limits.

Wait, is that something you would consider, though?

Um, well, that's a little bit difficult, and I'm not gonna get into the whole story.Like, the thing is, like, I don't mind, like, you know, people asking questions and having something go on the record, but, like, I'm not necessarily gonna always see it.

Well look if you're gonna actually do a lawsuit then obviously like not talk about it so I get that.Do you think, could you see why she hit you?

Not really because like she came up talking about how you know I don't like I don't Respect women's rights or something and I was like when have I ever even said this so a lot of people will just like put these You know descriptions that they've come up with in their head on my content or associate with me or associate me with some political party when it's literally like the exact opposite of what I want and the content that I make.I've been extremely like anti -politics from the entire time I've had my career.And that's one of the things that's really helped me be able to capture fans and capture an audience from all sides of the aisle.So when people come up and try to say like, oh, you're right wing, you're left wing, I'm just like, really?When did you see this?

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Now, back to the show.Clearly, like you've had some you've had a ton of controversy.Right.Obviously.Right.And I think some of the things that have happened lead people to make assumptions about other part of your life, which is like a contextual problem for you, okay?

For example, one time I called out a group of people who listened to a song called Hail Hitler in the Club, right?It was a blanket statement, right?And it was kind of the original interaction we ever had, because you called me grandpa, which is what I said to you when I was in Scottsdale, right?But you'll never be able to like go and claim that you haven't done things that were questionable or controversial, right?

Yeah, no, it's my goal to.

And the reason I bring this up is because I think right now you're at this point, this like apex point where it seems like you're already starting to dial some of that stuff back.And you're going to have to make a decision as to whether you want to continue pushing the envelope, which is something that he did.And, you know, potentially overdue or definitely overdue, or if you want to dial it back for longevity.you're at an inflection point in your career right now?

Well, so there's like the really reactionary clips and like doing the crazy shit.But what I was more so talking about with, you know, the interaction with that girl who slapped me was like, okay, let's, let's break it down and, and you know, talk about my serious takes, but that's obviously unrealistic.And I kind of get that now, but that was just my mentality was like, okay, like, let's actually talk about it.Because, you know, whenever I'm sitting down on like a long form podcast or a setting like this, I can really clarify my beliefs on things rather than just, you know, a 15 second out of context thing, or me just trying to be reactionary, whatever.But Uh, that would just be, you know, irresponsible understanding of the internet from my perspective.So I'm kind of understanding that more now.

Got it.This definitely, this definitely is like a calmer demeanor and a calmer setting that I'm used to seeing you in.

Yeah.Um, well because like when we're going out nightlife, like you're getting excited, like you're with your homies.Um, it's just a different vibe to it entirely.But when I'm talking about, you know, my entire career and some of my belief systems, I don't want to just come across as like some tweaker, you know, who's high off Adderall the entire time, like being crazy.That's, you know, that's not what it is.

Where, where are you at with the sobriety journey right now?Cause I spoke to you a couple of weeks ago and you were after You had an OD, which was very public, obviously, and you were talking about the idea of being sober and, if you don't mind me saying, the challenges of being sober while streaming.So where are you at now?

I've still been maintaining my sobriety, right?So no alcohol.no drugs no nothing and my entire idea of why it was gonna be so hard was more or less a cope because I'm like oh like I was kind of using the drugs as a cope to come across as like a normie but the reality of the situation is I I don't have to, right?Like, that's a complete waste of my time to try to, you know, like LARP as someone I'm not.

I love how these terms are all so, like, natural.I know.I had the same thought.For his generation, because when we use the terms...

When I say normie, I'm like, kind of being satirical.

You say it with an emphasis.For you, it's like, it's actually your vocabulary.

Well, yeah, I mean, this is, I spent hours a day on forums, like, growing up, and this is the way we talk.You know, and I'll talk like this on podcasts, on streams, and now it's at the point where You know, every single streamer is starting to use it, like even the NFL, like Netflix.So all these words are being used by the mainstream.So it's like, no, I'm bringing everyone over to my side of the aisle.I don't have to go to them.So I'm like, maybe I really don't need to use these drugs as a crutch and I could just be myself and be unapologetic about it.

Well, that's what I told you.I told you you have an audience now that is pretty locked in.And I think they probably enjoy you as a person and not just the actions that you take.And so it's, you just, you're, you're faced with a very similar situation as he was, which is if I'm not doing crazy shit, what do I do now?

Yeah.Um, I, I don't really think it was like too much crazy shit that was like during just my normal streaming hours was getting peopleto watch for or have a long watch hours.They just really like going out and about and interacting with girls because for a lot of people they're too anxious to do that or you know maybe they're younger so they're not able to go out to bars yet.And that's not really something that people stream because there's Not as many IRL streamers as you would think who are like consistently streaming like nightlife and dating because you know, that's kind of the whole ideology.of looks maxing is it's about the dating market, right?

When you talk about hypergamy and like all these events.So you're kind of showcasing like, you know, the end result of like, after you ascend, like what's accomplishable, you know, what is dating actually looking like for the average person.So those are really interesting experiences to people.

Did you coin the term looks maxing?

No, I would say that I definitely popularized it, but no.

Do you know where it came from?

Just a lot of forums, like PSL.It stems more from this weird internet subculture.

Can we talk a little bit about mogging and looks maxing for a second?Can you put some parameters on ascension and what that looks like?For example, Why don't you rate me and Logan?

People love the rating thing.Okay, sure.

Don't be biased, dude.

No, I won't be biased.You don't have to worry about that.I would say that I'd probably rate you maybe.75 out of 10.Yeah, can you tell us why?So, yeah, mostly because his interpupillary distance, so like how close his eyes are, and also the longer midface would be the main thing.

For sure, can I ask you a question?Yeah does okay So Where does where does the rating start and stop is the rating strictly face related?

Yeah, I mean, but you could add parameters or make clarifications.If you're rating someone's total SMV, their sexual market value, that would include a lot of other metrics like...

Okay, what's my SMV?

Would be a lot higher, right?Because you're famous, wealthy, tall, so that's something that would be more favorable to you.

What do you think Mike's sexual market value is?

a extremely high percentile, top percentile SMV.And that's really the number that I would say matters the most, is your SMV, more than anything.

And I agree with you and I'm happy you said that, because that was going to be kind of my question.

Yeah, his ego definitely took a little bit of a dive, but the SMV got it back up.

Never was trying to be in GQ.Okay.I like to make people laugh.I like to make people feel good I like to bring energy to a room.Okay, I Fall back on the fact that I'm six three quite often.I think height is an incredibly important thing

part of the equation.But I'm happy that you said that because I think it gives other 3 .75s like myself the ability to understand their power.

Well, the key bit of nuance there is that you know the face and your looks are going to be the most important thing for getting a super high SMV.So what you've had to accomplish to transcend the rating of 3 .75 and be in that top percentile SMV wise was become like multi -million follower on social media pages and like extreme amounts of wealth.So that's not something that the average 3 .75 guy is ever going to be able to accomplish.

Let me cut you off for one second.He can maybe attest to it, but certainly my family and friends from back home can.

very beautiful women forever.

Since I was a kid, dude.

It's almost like the things you just mentioned for him didn't matter.

They helped, certainly helped and put me in rooms with different types.And the reason why I bring this up is because it's been one of the places where I always wanted to counter you a little bit.In the priority factor in an SMV, Think might be humor, dude I think I think and I'm and we can talk about it But I think an ability to make a girl laugh and have a good time and feel comfortable In a social scenario in a social setting now I'm not saying that if you're but but clearly for me being a 3 .75 it was able tome overcome that issue, right?So what's your counter to that?Why do ugly, funny guys get the best pussy?

I wouldn't really say ugly, funny guys get the most pussy.I would say that charisma is certainly a very important thing.And having it is going to help you a lot.But at the end of the day, you know, these one -off anecdotes you always hear all the time, like, oh, my, you know, my buddy, he's bald and fat and he makes a lot of jokes, but he gets laid all the time.It's like, we're talking about a view of society, right?Getting down to the sociological stuff.

So just as general rules, you know, that's kind of what I'm more or less.

Eliminating the outliers and focusing on the correct.All right.I'm up.

Yeah.

Rate my look.

I would say that, ooh, are we gonna go like current looks or like when you were, you know, younger?How old are you right now?

31.Just right now, Clev.What you see, and by the way, I can see you examining my face.

It's incredible.

His eyes are actually moving at every part of my face.Go ahead.

I'm gonna say 6 .5.Not even a 7.Well, I mean, people just don't understand the decile scale very much because whenever people do ratings, for some reason they assume that seven is average.If any girl tells you you're a seven out of 10, they think you're dead fucking average.Um, but really five is average, right?Five is 50th percentile.

So, um, it just doesn't,doesn't make sense.

What would you rate yourself?

I wouldn't I wouldn't.You can't?No I just don't think it's a responsible thing to do.Why?Um, I think that you will apply certain, you know, restrictions to yourself.If you're someone who's as with the culture as I am, like, okay, I'm this rating, according to my philosophy, this is the girl I should be going for whatever, when I don't really think that that's something that's beneficial.

Okay, so Mike's eyes were too close.Why did I get the six and a half?

Why did you get a better score, or why did you not get a higher score?

I'll be honest with you, it just seems a little low.I thought I was at least a 7 for sure.I would have said, personally, when people ask me what I think I am on a scale of 1 -10, I say 8.And I feel comfortable in that.But I want to know, what is it, like obviously I have thin hair and I look like a fucking Ridiculous person right now, but yeah, yeah, what do you think?

I would say that when you were a little younger I'd say that that rating would be closer to being true, but just you know how aging works It's it's very difficult to maintain Listen, listen, listen.

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What is Dutasteride?Or finasteride or anything?No.Oh, the hair?Yeah.

Not currently, no.I saw you had a...Oh, currently, because I remember seeing you had a pretty impressive recovery from hair loss.I did not.

No.So when you're trying to conceive, finasteride is not good, I think.

And so we're trying to...Oh, when you're trying to have a kid.Yeah.Okay.Yeah.Yeah.

Um, it really doesn't matter as much as you would think for that.It's really just a libido thing because of the neuro steroids.So some people deal with like, you know, post finasteride syndrome, but like at the end of the day, um, I would rather my deck never work again and keep all my hair.

than anything oh i i um i don't like that one i don't like that one at all that one's crazy okayOkay, let's That's it.

That's really like like dude.

What would you rate Jason Statham?Well 8 out of 10 and he has no hair And his dick probably works pretty well.

I don't know though, but that's it's like, you know for the average person You're not gonna be Jason Statham.So you're gonna have this bald head and a functional dick But it's gonna be over for you when you got no one that you could use it on besides your hand.Okay?

Okay, if you've got no hair It's pretty much done But how how how would you use a non -functioning dick even if you have hair?

Well, I mean, you wouldn't, but you just at least they'll be able to mock people, bro.

You are.You are.You you're definitely one of the most interesting people I've ever met in my life.

Cleve, hold on a second, because because isn't that OK?And I want to get back to the destitute ride finasterideos as well.If the if the you don't take this.OK, let me I'll unpack my hair as well, because I've had quite the hair journey myself.If the goal.What is the goal of mogging?

goal in mind, because that could be women, that could be career opportunities, whatever.And having a super narrow -minded approach to things where your only looks maxing or only self -improving to get with a hotter chick, I think that's a little ridiculous.

I want to go back a couple steps.on the peptides and that world because you talk about peptides a lot And you also just talked about the importance of your hair Counter that statement you've been on this is maybe the most insane thing you've been on test since you were 14 Yeah, correct correct test being one of the most anti hair things in the world, right?An increase in DHT, correct?

Well, so yes, the way that it works is testosterone converts through an enzyme in your body into DHT and finasteride and dutasteride are 5 -alpha reductase blockers.So they block that conversion.So the, you know, if you're on testosterone, Well, at the dosage that I am and you're on Dutasteride, you're going to have less DHT than the average person would.So you're still going to be a lot hair safer than anything.And right, testosterone is still an androgen.It could cause hair loss.

once again, a lot weaker than DHG.There is other ways that you can go about it for the rare 1 % of people who are on DUT and they're still balding, things like topical RU58841.So there is a lot of ways to avoid it, but it's not really a concern if you know how to mitigate side effects.

Well, and the hair world is changing rapidly.Like we're looking, we should be looking down the pipeline here pretty soon at some major breakthroughs in terms of waking up lazy follicles, correct?

Yeah.So it looks like we're under a lot of phase two trials.So, uh, hopefully all that kind of stuff comes soon.You seem pretty knowledgeable on, on, on even like how these things work.Yeah.Uh, well, I mean, you have to be like, you're kind of like taking a lot of different drugs and they're all interacting inside your body.

So if you just are blindlytaking pharmaceuticals, it really could go wrong.And that's why I've always been against just universally advocating for the pharmaceutical intervention, because most people won't really understand all the nuance that they need to actually Lux Max from it, and they'll usually wind up Lux Minning, right?

So - So sorry, one more time?Lux what?

They'll wind up Lux Minning.So they get worse.Yeah, they'll get worse looking, right?Because like you said, the thing about testosterone, if you just start taking testosterone, because, you know, you saw a clip of someone that's 15 seconds long, and you didn't see the rest of the video that explains things about DHT and taking your Dutasteride, you would go bald and get worse, right?So that's why I'm like, I really don't think you should do it unless you've done years of research or are under careful supervision of a medical professional.

What's your stack right now?Like everything you're taking.

It's funny, I actually just made a list.

Is it that long?How much test weekly?

300.Right now it's only 240 actually.

240 test sip.

Yes.

That's not a massive dose.

No.

But it's been much higher in the past?

Not really, no.I've always been consistently in that sports TRT range of like 250 -ish.

I'm curious, how did your parents let you take tests at 14?

They didn't.They would take it away all the time.How did you get it?I would just order it to the post office, general delivery, or I would Just sniped the package.

Do you know you do know?How did you uh, how did you find out about testosterone as a 14 year old?

Um, I was watching Rich PianaI was, um, doing a lot of research on forums and, uh, just a lot of bodybuilding communities.

And do you feel now at 20, do you feel good about the decision having started test at 14?

Yeah, but test is really not the greatest thing for puberty maxing.It's more so like the HGH, you know, aromatase inhibitors, things like that, that are going to allow you to have more success.So testosterone is not something that most people are going to benefit from because it aromatizes into estrogen, right?And that causes your growth plates to fuse if you're not super careful.Now thankfully I was, and testosterone does give you a good amount of dimorphism if you're taking it from early on, but like I said, if you stunt your growth from it, then there's really no point.Are your parents tall?

Not overly tall.Are you taller than both of them?I think I'm about an inch taller than my dad, an inch or two taller, and my mom is 5 '4". And do you have siblings? Yeah. Are you like your siblings? I would say my sister's reasonably tall for a girl. She's 5 '7".

So I meant like, uh, more just like personality.

Oh.Well, my sister's a fair bit younger than me.So I remember like myself at her age and now and there's like a, you know, there is still a lot of change.So it's just hard to say.

I just, I think it's interesting.Like, uh, is the relationship between you and your parents solid at the moment?

Um, Never really is.Really?It's never great.

What's the core obstacle?

Um, just me kind of not really ever able to be controlled or anything like that.But you're an adult now, technically.Well, they still don't want to really accept that, you know?

Well, I mean, dude, when you were 20, I mean, I don't know.I don't.

So when I moved to LA, my parents kind of, my parents were like, yeah, he's like, he's doing his own thing.

They're still trying to, you know, Like, I saw a clip of your dad cancelling your SIM card or phone.That's been quite annoying, yeah.That was real?Yeah, that was real.You're on your own account now?Uh, well, he won't release my number, so...

Wait, so how do you text people and stuff?I have to go on a hotspot.No fucking way, bro.Yeah, I'm still that guy.This is crazy.I'm still the... yeah.

this this yeah wait so you gotta get your own you gotta get your own place not even about like the money I'm like whatever like I'll send you like the next 10 years with the payments like just turn the turn the phone back on well that's crazy yeah it was because like I was doing a deal and he was like texting me like all this shit like, oh, make sure your lawyers review it.And I'm like, do you really think like I'm an idiot?Like I, I got here for no reason.Um, and he just got all mad cause like, you know, I guess I kind of passed him up in a lot of regards.I didn't really age.You pass maxed your dad.

Pass maxed.

He's not letting that one slide.He didn't like that.He didn't like that.

You said it beyond father.You don't have to like add backs to everything.

I'm so sorry.We've been doing it.We added to everything.

No, no, no.You can't add it to everything.Oh, we do.

No, trust me.

Past Max doesn't really make sense.

Because you can't lesser more than past.

You can trust Max that.Okay.All right.

I'm sorry.Okay, look, look, look.People are gonna give it a few years.

I'm sorry.No, no, no.It's actually, what you said earlier is right.It's impressive how it's made its way into culture.Right.I wonder if it stays.

I think...Most definitely, like the words like jester, I would say that's obviously not a word I came up with, or jester maxing, but they're so good that people just love using them.It's very good.

I wanted to ask, sorry, sorry, not to interrupt you much, but I did interrupt Max.You said, you know, the relationship with your parents is never really good.I have a sentence here on the PDF that says that they used to hide the hammers around the house.So it stopped smashing your face.Yep.You did bone smash as a youth.

Yes.

That wasn't, that's not like a joke.You actually took a hammer to your face to shape your jawbone.

Yeah, well it's all on YouTube.Did it work?Yeah.Um, it's just hard to exactly pinpoint, uh, what percentage came from taking tests or what percentage came from bone smashing or just regular puberty.Uh, so that I couldn't answer, but you know, we have, uh, you know, the reference to Wolf's Law.So, you know, the theory makes sense, you know?

Did your parents really have to hide the hammers around the house?

They did, that was not a joke.

How many hammers were there?

I would say probably did it like three or four times.So I had to switch to this baseball trophy, which is a pretty famous prop.I've still been looking for it because everyone's been wanting me to find that souvenir.I don't know if you guys have seen that video.

No, but if you find it, Logan will probably buy it.

I'll buy it.I'm a collector.Nice.But yeah, no, so I had to switch to a different tool.And that was like the common theme growing up is like my parents would always try to stop me from doing things.and I would always become vindicated every single time I would decide to go down a course of action.

If you walked in, okay, let's, first of all, right now there's some rumors out there that you're potentially an expectant father.Is that true?

No comment.

Okay.If you walked, and I want to talk, I need to actually ask you about HCG as well.By the way, all those questions are related to my own life.That's why I'm asking you about them.If you walked in on your daughter, okay, and she was 12 years old, and she had been watching clavicular on TikTok, learning about bone smashing, and she had a ball peen hammer in her hand, as a parent, would you take that hammer from her?

Well, If, if a girl was looks maxing, I would say to her, uh, we live in a very favorable society towards women and some beta boxer will still take care of you.Like, you don't really need to be doing what beta boxer beta boxer.Yeah.

Yeah, I'm going to need that definition, unfortunately.

So beta buxer is like someone who basically gets girls by being a simp and like just, you know, being rich, but they're ugly.So basically what I'm saying is there's going to be someone in this dating market who's desperate enough for just about any girl.The burden for women to look smacks is a lot lower.

Okay, so That's that's an insane thing to say to your daughter don't worry honey, there's someone desperate enough out there for you Well, I wouldn't obviously say that Like she's she's Duke laughs she's fucking her face up with this hammer bro, I do let it slide

No, but that's the thing I said before, right, is a lot of people won't actually, like, understand the nuance of things, like how you need to brace your head, um, to avoid CTE.

She's doing it perfectly.She's an expert.

I don't really see that as being the case, because you don't understand the amount of research and the amount of time actually spent towards having somewhat of an understanding of these things from an early age.

There's a missing link in the Clav story that I've discovered in this conversation.He's smart.

You are a smart person.

But I don't think people think that.You are scientifically approaching all of this shit.Bro, even when I asked him what my look was, I felt like I was like apple retina getting scanned like that.You're an intelligent person, and you're applying your intelligence in an interesting way.

Yeah.Um, because I really just felt like my entire life, it was what was missing from the manosphere discussion.Uh, so, you know, all the brain.

No, I mean...That has been missing for sure.They're missing a smart person.

It's just like this key picture where they'd have like the pickup artists and they'd have the just go to the gym bro or just be confident bro, but no one was acknowledging this huge elephant in the room, which was looks really do matter.And that's kind of why when I came about and started spreading this narrative, people were like, oh yeah, that actually does resonate.And we've got the data to prove it, right?It's not subjective at all.

One of the issues that I think that you've been up against in the public sentiment towards you, especially on discussions around hitting yourself with a hammer or responsibly doing meth, is, well, you're smart.the people that you're talking to might not be.And so do you feel a certain level, do you understand that sentiment?And do you feel a certain amount of personal responsibility as you promote a message like that to someone who might not have studied Wolf's Law?You know what I'm saying?And it's just in the toolbox of their father's garage.

Ooh, this is a nice hammer.Maybe I could look like Clav one day.Like, do you understand that?

Well, yeah.And that's exactly what I keep going back to is, you know, people aren't going to get it.They're not going to do the research I did.So my message is like looks matter and self -improvement is a good way to improve your quality of life.It's not you know, go do math, right?I would always advocate against people taking even prescription stimulants Or drugs of any kind like if it's my serious You know long -form setting interviews like this one I would never tell people to do, you know testosterone at 14 years old I'm just simply stating the things that I did that that is an incredible fucking it to your point of what you just you know Do you know how many cosmonauts there have been

before you in the space, Timothy Leary, like people that did things as a, as an experimentation to oneself, not as an endorsement to those viewing it.Does that make sense?And so that makes a ton of sense as long as the caveat and the precursor to that discussion is there.And so I, it's, it's, you, you definitely are a very smart person.Do you, let me ask you a question.Do you have any, like, Are you on like the spectrum?

Um, yeah, I'm neurodivergent.

Okay.And that's a broad term, which means basically that you are atypical.

Correct.

Neurologically.So what, so what, okay.Can you narrow it down at all from there?Have you ever had a diagnosis?

No, not professionally.

Okay.I don't really have a reason to ask that.I was just, I was just genuinely curious because you, you, he does have like a very intriguing approach and, and, Style of dialogue, no?

Yeah, you're an incredibly unique individual.Thank you.You're an incredibly unique individual.I even think, even if someone did know how to bone smash, for example, I don't even know how many people would do it.Because I'm sure it was painful.

Yeah.And then like the, you know, the brutal part about it was I used to just always have to go into work the next day and I'd be, you know, pretty swollen, but, um, I would never really bother to go out of my way to come up with like a story or like a coverup.Like if I got in a fight or something, I would just be pretty honest about it.Like I was bone smashing.And then, you know, all my coworkers thought it was pretty weird.Cause this was like, uh, before all this stuff became mainstream.

So, um, it's still pretty weird.

Like if, like if anybody can't like as a, once again, as a, as a document to yourself, I get it.But if somebody, if one of my friends came in and I was like, hey man, how'd your face get like that?And they were like, oh, I was bone smashing with a hammer earlier today.Do you know what I'm saying?Yeah, it does sound a little bit.Just calling it mainstream would be a bit of a stretch.

I wonder if you have to do it, if you're gonna do it while you're maturing and your face is still forming.

That's an interesting one.

Not necessarily.

Because you've kind of guinea pigged yourself.

Right.You're sort of your own experiment.learning in real time and you did all this stuff on yourself and I think you fall within like a very small percentile of people that would do this.

Yeah, because what I was trying to do was I was trying to think of another way to, you know, be able to succeed in the dating market outside of being charismatic or, you know, money maxing, whatever, because I saw it as completely unrealistic for me, who at the time in high school really was not a social person at all, to be able to talk to girls and have game and all this kind of stuff.

I was like, well, it makes a lot more sense To looks max as a way to you definitely you definitely it appears at least from your streams you have game now I see I see I see I mean I mean I don't know but I saw a video of you kissing a mom and then kissing her daughter Yeah, I just you know this is insane to see well usually Ithe best when I say the least.So.

Oh, so you don't have games is what you're saying?No, not at all.Like a lot of people come and lie or, you know, a little joke around with their friends.Like, Oh, I got the best game.It's like, I have probably the worst game.Dude, dude, that's crazy.

That's crazy.

No, because you know, cause you say your game is, is very, um, straightforward.Right.Which I think is..

.It's intentional, yeah.Because the way that I always thought about it was like, I see people having these conversations.back and forth at a bar and it'll be like an interview process where the guy's just like asking all these stupid questions and it'll be like this back and forth but really after all that's said and done after that five or ten minutes is that going to change the answer to the key question of is this girl sexually attracted to me and the answer is no right knowing her favorite color or where she works It really doesn't matter.So I just like to skip straight to the point and just ask if a girl wants to have sex.

Is that your approach?

He does it all the time.

Yeah.How many of them are instant down?A lot.Where do you get the confidence to do that?Is it just your looks?

Pre -gallon.

What is that?It's a beta blogger.No, it's an anti -anxiety.

Wait cuz cuz cuz if you if you're saying you don't have game, but I've seen you approach.

I'm not I'm low inhibition Yeah, but that's like I have no Issues with approaching or starting conversations.I just really don'tknow what to say most of the time, but like, yeah, I've got no problem being low in hip.And I think it helps me because like, it just makes so much sense to me in my head that this is the best way to go about the situation that I'm like, why wouldn't I do this?You know?

Would you say you're afraid of rejection?

No.Don't care?No, not at all.How come?Well, I mean, I've gotten rejected.probably live on stream, like at least 5 ,000 times at this point.

So it's fine.And it's like, I know in my head that people spamming in the chat, like, oh, L, L game.It's like, they never go up to girls regardless.So it's like, yeah, maybe like I'll get rejected by like a couple of girls for every couple of the hit.But it's like, that's totally fine with me.You know, it almost keeps you in check because I could play things completely sheltered and only like respond to girls in my DM requests and have 100 % guaranteed chance.

But I think that kind of gets your head too big and doesn't keep you in reality.Whereas like, I'm actually doing IRL streams where I'm like, even sometimes like I'll go out like LARPing as a civilian with like a Samsung.So not like the big camera, just to like see the results.So it gives you a good idea of where you are without, you know, the status and money.

Aspect also bro LARPing as a civilian with the Samsung is it's just a wild sentence.This is just like bro.

I'm so entertained I do agree with you that The flip phone no, I got s25 she screen messages type shit.

Oh Yeah.I do.

I do agree with that.I just met going out with the Samsung.

Okay.I can see how that works.would be.Yeah.

Yeah.Green messages are tough.

They work for some people.

I mean, but not everyone else.

It's an automatic like problem.Yeah.It's like when you get that girl and she did like, unless they're international, like occasionally we'll get like a couple Norwegians that have it or like somebody from South Korea or something like that.But if you get a real U .S.or U .

K.Person and they and and they have a no the samsung phil is very yeah, very brutal.

No, yeah Cleve are you familiar with polymarket?

Yes, polymarket.

Yeah, I speak so markets on everything trade on everything right polymarket Are you familiar?Do you know there's a lot of polymarkets on you?I do Can I read you some of the polymarket headlines and you tell me what percentage chance you think these are sure?

Okay By the way, people are putting their money on on this.Well, I pretty much know all of them.So let's see.Let's see.

Let's see if you know the percentages, right?Yeah.Glavicular sentence to prison.

Forty one percent.

Thirteen percent.It dropped dramatically over the past.

It looks like there's a huge 30 percent chance that I do.13 percent chance you're sentenced to prison.OK.Traders believe in you, buddy.Nice.Clavicular pregnancy in twenty twenty six.

Isn't that like over 90?Ninety nine percent chance.

Ninety nine.Should we buy?No, no comment.

I've tried, guys.There's $18 .5 million in volume on the pregnancy one.

That's the highest one.

That's insane, dude!

I'm pretty sure they mogged, like, any NBA event ever or anything.

People's sexiest man alive.

Clavicular wins.

5 %?

3 % chance.

Nice.Okay.

That's actually sick.Yeah, I saw some of these, but I didn't know the percentages.

But keep in mind, like, Travis Kelsey, it was only at 7.Is there anybody on there that's in double digits?

Yeah.

Other is?Yeah.No, no, no.Oh, who is it?

Yeah.I mean, Timothee Chalamet is at 13%.I mean, they're not that far behind.

What do you rank Timothee Chalamet?

I would say probably also around 6 .25, 6 .5, somewhere.

And his SMV?

Pretty high.And then, okay, so who - He's only going to get girls that are on birth control, though.

Wait, hold on a second.

Birth control, you're attracted to more feminine features.Explain that.

Yeah, that's true.So if you're constantly pulling women, and this is what I would always do, just like to gauge my dimorphism was see if a girl was prescribed birth control to see if I was like, you know, cucked in any way.So yeah, if you're usually pulling girls that are on, that's not a good sign.

But that's a margin.I'm sorry.

No, it's legit.It's very legit.

No, but marginal.

No, legit.

Women on birth control are more attracted to feminine men is what you're saying?

Yes, correct.Because they're taking their E. And women with higher estrogen are attracted to more masculine looking faces.Yes.

But attracted to from a...I don't want to use the term visceral attracted to from a sexual dynamic but as you know who women choose in long -term partners is Neg is less than 0 .1 percent sexually based.Well, there are emotional beings and they they they're there they base their long -term partnerships on You know like likelihood of producing a safe environment that a family and X Y & Z well that if that an initial attraction is never met

like they're never going to have a gauge on those other traits, right?So it's certainly the most important one.

Got it.

Can I ask you about the overdose?

Yeah.

I think for me, the craziest part about it all is that it was live streamed.It's your stream.Correct.Right.And you're in charge.When does real life become more important than the stream, if ever?

Well, I mean, I don't really think of, of the stream too much when we're doing it.Cause, um, a lot of the times it'll be stuff that, you know, me and my buddies were doing just before we, we started it.And then we're just like, okay, we'll put this on kick.Cause people liked me going on other people's.So it was just, I guess it was like a very easy transition.Like I wasn't like, uh, you know, okay, now I'm streaming like now I have to start going to bars and like doing all this craziness.

It's like, yeah, we're just doing that off camera.Um, but for that, that was a little bit misunderstood.That's not like a traditional overdose.That was just me passing out really in the same way that you would for drinking too much alcohol.

Was that experience a wake up call at all for you?

Yeah, no, absolutely.I mean, I haven't taken a drug since.

So the challenge I think will be either staying that way, sober, or developing a healthy relationship with alcohol.

How do you feel?I will never really drink because it's just so toxic and disrupts a lot of your different growth pathways to such an extent that I could never really drink.even if I could have no problem at all with the occasional drink, which I really don't.I've never really had a drinking issue.It was more stimulants that was something I was overdoing, but yeah, it's really just Me considering what alcohol really is.It's ethanol.

It's a complete poison.Hey, you're ingesting So I just wouldn't do it plus it I don't think it helps the way you look either if we're not maxing, you know It's like you've got a lot of calories.It descends here.

Yeah, it's very bad What about people and what do you say to or think about people who don't care about any of this shit?They're just free -spirited people that are out on an adventure, enjoying life, smiling, even though they're fat or stupid or bald or whatever.

Well, I mean, I'm not here trying to like do some populist rally where it's like, we all need to look smacks guys.It's like, if you don't want to do any of this stuff, then I don't give a shit.Like that, that doesn't affect me at all.You know?So, If someone has that sentiment they think looks maxing stupid.It's not something they would ever do then so be it.

Do you feel?Compelled to push your beliefs on any Topics on anyone like like are you are you outspoken on like issues regarding like trans people or anything like that?

No I wouldn't say so.I don't I don't really have an opinion on transgenders like homosexuals it's just not really something that benefits um me in any way to to have a an opinion on it's just likecare because it's not relevant to looks maxing.

Oh, okay.That's a, that's an, cause you, cause I know you once said that politics are jester, are jester to you.

Yeah.

Not, not to me.They're, they are.So, okay.So I, I agree with you to an extent.I think people spend a lot of time talking about things that they cannot control, okay?And one of the things I learned in recovery when I got clean was a serenity prayer, which was asking God for the courage to change the things that you can about yourself and to, you know, be at peace basically with the things that you can't, right?

And so I tend to agree with you there on a lot of those topics, but people are angry.They spend their whole day on Twitter tweeting about shit.

Well, that's what I mean.It's like if you're going to spend six hours dedicating your time to like listening to an X base from like some political jester versus listening to like, you know, maybe a more plates, more dates video or a Leon longevity video that just seems like an outrageous waste of time to me.Um, So yeah, that's benefiting you in no way.So I only really do things out of self -interest and there's no self -interest in politics.

So you're so blunt and strangely aware for your age of these different characteristics about yourself.And the fact that you're able to, with a straight face, and this is, I guess, going back to what I mentioned when I asked you about the spectrum situation, with such a straight face to say that you're interested in self -preservation or self -interest, It's just interesting.It's just, it's interesting.I mean, did you, did you happen to see the Mr. Beast query on Twitter about the red

button blue button No, I didn't don't know stop.It's not that interesting.It's not that interesting.I let it slide up boys only bro It's just so now using and silly.

Oh now I'm a little no, I mean, yeah now you know you got a pretty interesting Oh, is it something about like would you save like the base do you want me to read sure go?

Okay Okay, everyone on Earth takes a private vote by pressing a red or blue button.If more than 50 % of people press the blue button, everyone survives.If less than 50 % of people press the blue button, only people who press the red button survive.Which button would you press?Now, we had to hear this or read this about six to eight times, I'm going to be honest.Something tells me you already understand the question, have fully analyzed the question, and have already identified an answer.

Well, I already knew my answer before you asked it.Damn, that's impressive.I kind of already knew.I mean, yeah, I'd use, I'd choose the one that's pro self -preservation, you know, and I think people, you know, say how horrible that is, whatever, but I would say it's almost more horrible to, Just be completely disingenuous with everything that you say and do, and when it comes down to it, completely switch up.At least people know where I'm at.

You know what's crazy about that as well?Everyone who pressed the blue button, people who weren't only self -interested, would die.You'd basically kill all the people with empathy and who cared about their neighbor.

Yes, but his statement right now is another interesting one that we didn't talk about last week, which was people who are claiming thatthey would...

It's easier to say this on an ex -poll than it is if this was an actually real scenario.

Okay, so what I gather from the answer...

Why you were able to you knew the answer before you even asked a question I just it seems like you know, you're why like your individual who you are in life your why really well Why just yeah, and I also know human nature right which is to to lie And to you know, choose the easy route and things but I but okay, so I hear you, but I also But I also believe that there are people who genuinely would press the blue button.Does that make sense?Because for example, what about someone who decides to run into a burning building Potentially to save someone that they don't know.

Okay, like because that they could potentially and they're putting their life at risk They're ignoring self -preservation, but they're genuinely doing it because they feel like they might be able to save someone's life Well, I think that would be more virtuous because it's more predictable okay, whereas this is Okay, let me as you know, maybe as a father of three go into this room and press this blue button that doesn't even guarantee my survival and me being there for my children.Let me just, you know, put a blind faith in humanity that random people across the globe will do the same.That's irresponsible.

What if you knew that yourchildren had to also go in and push the button?Well, I mean it just depends on how you raise them really one of them is a toddler Put out there, but but I mean I'm sorry if you press the red button you guarantee your survival you live immediately But then the people who press the blue button die?If enough people think in the way that you are, in a self -preservation...

What if everyone just presses the red button?

Everyone lives?Well, yes.

So that's the option.

Yeah, so...

Yeah.Red is you don't die, the zero risk, and if everyone presses it, everyone lives.So one person's gonna press the blue button.Damn, I would've been fried.

Yeah.Well, well, keep well, keep in mind, though, then you're you're one coper.Well, blue won the poll, but to your point, you blew one on social media, though, like Twitter.Correct.I agree.I agree with you completely.

It's a it's a very interesting thought experiment.

What's your favorite meal?Probably a burger.No way.With or without cheese.No cheese on it.Cheese.

No.Just a burger.Yeah.

Why no cheese?

Well, I'm on this medication called Selegiline, MSAM, and just the way that the cheese breaks down, it wouldn't be a very good interaction with this.

What say you on cheeseburger versus burger?

So there's a burger in Vegas.If looks maxing is your goal and youfound that cheese is anti -looks maxing, or would be looks minning, then this is a very creative way of saying something that people, I avoid cheese for X reason.There's a lot of people who avoid cheese.People are lactose.It's also disgusting.

Whoa, whoa, whoa.Now you've hit a nerve, okay?I personally love cheese, but this is a good question.At your young age, have you taken into consideration subjectivity and the idea that people can think very differently than you?

Well, I realize that people can think very differently and also very wrong.But, you know, because cheese is just a useless addition to the burger.It serves you no benefit other than just adding dietary fat.

Do you have anything else on your burger?No.So you're, I'm talking about a bun, patty, bun.And ketchup.That's it.

So, okay.So how about this question?So why do you like a burger which has potentially more empty calories than a food that is better for you?

What do you mean by empty calories?

Do you have it on a bun?

Yeah.

Do you, I mean, there's a lot of - It's a carbohydrate, it's not an empty calorie.It's a carbohydrate, it's packed with sugar, a ton of sugar.

Sugar is a carbohydrate.

Yes.

But that's not an empty calorie.

Okay.

And it really isn't that packed with sugar.A burger bun?

It should have, it probably has a tremendous amount of sugar in it, dude.

Not really that much.

Really?But I guess my question is why not just eat a steak?

Well, because, you know, you know, when I'm streaming out and about, it's fast food, right?You get something in and out, it's quick.It's accessible.There's not a place in the world really that you can go where there isn't a McDonald's or a Burger King within two miles of you.It's like, I pull up my phone to look what fast food earlier was around, Burger King and McDonald's, like literally, you know, 0 .2 miles away when we were driving.And I happened to look it up.

Why not like a Chipotle burrito?

Uh, well, that's a little bit less convenient, I would say.Like, that's an actually sit -down thing.Uh, Chipotle's less reliable.Burger King just really never lets you down.

That's your thing is Burger King?

Yeah, and also Chipotle's too spicy.

What about what say you of Wendy's?

Horrible.

You don't like spice?

No.

Do you like ice spice?

I don't like seasoning.

Ice spice.

No seasoning for me.

Ice spice.

What about her?

Do you like her?

Not particularly I mean like I don't dislike her but What about Tate McRae?Who's that?

She sings um What about Sabrina Carpenter?

I don't know who that is Who's the top moggers out there?

Top mogger?Top mogger?Probably Tyler Mayer Bodybuilder?

No Fitness coach?

Just fitness mom This guy?No, it's He probably spelled it wrong.This guy?Yeah.

Oh, oh, with an H, ooh.He's, so Tyler Mayer's top mogger.

Yeah.

Oh, this guy mogs.Yeah, when you walk the runway, how was that?

that was Pretty cool.I would say I knew there's gonna be a lot of media from that.So I was pretty hyped, you know, I knew the clips would would bang nervous at all.No, I was on a lot of Propranolol, so I wasn't really Too nervous about it.And also the people in you know, the whole modeling industry are Mostly kind of cocked so like they'll be I don't know.It's it's a strange scene if you get what I mean It's like there's something like really off about the people there.

What do you think?What are you saying?

What did you feel?Like these people have been through some shit.Really?I've not been to a walk.

You mean the designers and photographers like all of them?

Yeah.Like it's a strange world.You're like, yeah, you're like, something's going on here.

What's going on?Yeah, yeah.

I don't know.

I don't disagree with you, by the way.When Drake said Clav has a micro, why?And also, does he?

That was just something that someone else typed on his account.Um, and no, not micro.I, I've been doing PE for a while, so.What is PE?Penis enhancement.

What does that look like?Asking for a friend.

What does it look like?Yeah.So like pumping, um, shopping bag hanging, stretching, that kind of stuff.

Shopping bag hanging, stretching?

Can you elaborate?Do you have a shopping bag or?

We can visual, I'll visualize.

You can, no, you, that, that sandbag would work.

No, because it'll it's a counterweight for that light.So.

So basically what you're doing is just, you know, wrapping it around.around your wrist You could put book bags in it.Whatever weights here.Yeah, here you go.

Yeah that yeah, that's a shopping bag perfect.

Yeah So you just put stuff in here various items and you wrap it around your wrists like this and then you're basically holding on and to your suspensory ligament and stretching.Suspensory ligament?Mm -hmm.Penis.Well, that's what you're stretching.But yeah, you're holding on to your shaft.

Well, it's...And stretching the suspensory ligament.Well, it's flaccid.

Yeah.So, I would do this while I was driving.Your commitment to the game is admirable.Well, it's important.

Did you see improvement?

Yeah.So, the problem with that is, you know, your erection angle will lower a little bit, but mine was already above the ideal.So, Yeah, so it wasn't a problem.

Would that be considered penis maxing?

Yeah.

How is your...

I was just like chillin' here, so used to it.Yeah, yeah, I'll let go of it now.

Given the current stack, how's the old ball and chains working these days?

Good, good.So I thought for a while that, you know, it was over.because I was taking Tadalafil, I was taking the dick injections.

Oh, you went all the way up to the injections?

Yeah.Well, those were mostly for fun because I realized that there's a level of confidence gained when you're cold approaching with a boner.Are you serious?Yeah.

I definitely, that's the wildest, the fact that you're able to say it so straight faced is mind -blowing.but I agree with you.Wait, what?I do agree with him.Cold approaching with a boner?Yes.

Or how about a semi?

No, no.

Oh, you're talking about a full fucking boner, dude.

Yes, like the girls can sense it.Yeah.

This is some primal shit.It's like a boner pheromone.This is above me.This is above me.This is crazy.Okay, so you - See, for me, I was - I have a job, I probably, like, I don't know, sometimes I say too much, but like, I was always, like, I went with the waistband tuck.

Yeah, yeah, no, no, I'm not talking about just like a project that definitely nobody's still from so but it like shows up like I Right, right.

I know but like only if someone's looking for it.Yeah, but then is the girl like why the fuck is this guy rock -hard?

We're all that's probably a sign of vitality Yeah, it's just like a sign of and and to be completely honest with you if you're the right guy They're probably kind of The wrong guy you're probably But if you're the right guy universal advice Yeah, but I'd be like I don't know there's like all these like weird like niche things and these tips and tricks that sounds so ridiculous Like but people cope so hard that they'll never actually try it.

So how did you get how did you get back online?because There is a new kind of thing with this today.I'll fill so then a fill Obviously you're seeing these companies all go absolutely bonkers on revenue.We're talking I don't want to name them all cuz I don't think any of them are sponsoring right now, right?We've had that every one of them sponsor in the past one of them.I was partially responsible for blowing up probably ten years ago I could probably guess every one of these companies is going crazy with younger people and the weird thing about it is

it's addressing a psychological Situation not in your case because in your case you had actually created a setting that wasn't advantageous for boners, right?But for a lot of these people are taking for psychological reasons that a young agent getting pornography is the reason for that, right?

So a lot of people have extremely bad porn addictions from an early age And that's frying their dopamine systems to the point where the stimulation from hooking up with a girl is not enough to you know, give them that, that satisfaction, uh, you know, or, or get them to be aroused and that's a horrible thing.So they need to rely on things like Sildenafil, uh, Cialis, whatever.

That's crazy.

Are you, do you ever watch porn?Never.

Have you ever watched it?Yeah.

I mean, obviously like normal teenager stuff, like when I was 15, but not really since then.

Is that partially from a place of, not having to, does that make sense?I guess it becomes a kind of a, what came first, the chicken or the egg situation, right?Like if you.

No, no, it was not really anything to do with that.Um, I would just like not really have the need to jerk off with pornography.I'd usually just do it without.And then I would say by the time I was like 17, 18 years old, I was being pretty consistent.where it just wasn't necessary.

I can assume you're sexually active, yeah?

Yeah.

Can I ask you, how important is it to you to also make the girl have an orgasm?Not important.

How come?Well, because, you know, the amount of extra effort that's required.required to do that is just not going to really have much ROI.So, so what's true.I mean, really.That means return on investment.

Yeah.So, you know, you're going to have to spend at least an extra half an hour, uh, more than you usually would doing some.

That's, that's, that's not true.It depends on the girl.They don't just there, dude, there are girls that can, there are girls that can finish, uh, Especially the the cheat code there if you cuz let's be honest if you're just doing one -night stands It doesn't matter right, but if you're if you're trying to satisfy a partner and maintain a long -term relationship Having them enjoy the the experience is obviously important the work around there that the ultimate solution is a vibrator dude It completely eliminates that entire effort.

That's kind of like I cocked in my opinion.

You really think so?

Yeah, I would say so, because think about it, right?Now you're sitting there with some stupid vibrator, like, you know what I mean?So what I'm simply saying about the ROI thing is, you're telling me that there's not an activity in that, you know, Let's just call it 15 minutes, just be realistic.In that 15 minutes that you could be doing, that's going to guarantee a long -term relationship.That seems silly.In 15 minutes, I could get set up to do my steak stream.

I could do just a million different things.I could take an important phone call, whatever.

I'm just trying to think of this explanation to the girl as to why she's not finished yet.

exactly so like I can literally think of 1 million better things It's gonna make a girl want to be with me in the long term rather than just a simple fleeting orgasm That seems just so ridiculous.

Would you be upset if you didn't have an orgasm?

Yeah, but it's fleeting.Well, I mean like that's true, but you know, it's almost like a painful thing.If you're just like doing like a two minute, then oh, you gotta go, you know?And I've done that before on purpose because I think there's also like the psychological thing.Like if you just have sex with a girl for a couple of minutes and then go out to a bar, it's something that could work.I've tried that.

Work how?Like, because then you, you know, are incentivized to complete the rest of it with another girl.Then you just, you just have to do what's called a birdbath before you go out.Yeah.And what exactly is that?Take a guess.

You get in the shower and do a body rinse.I know.Birdbath is where you wash your dick in the sink.

Oh.We've all done a birdbath, dude.I just didn't know that's what it was called.I did one yesterday.Oh, whoa.Hold on.

I burned bath more than I even thought about in that moment.

More than I've showered.

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Now that you're a club owner, that's also probably helping your nocturnal pursuits a little bit as well.

Yeah.It's like really at the point where it's just sometimes almost too easy.

And I'm just like, does that scare, does that scare you at all?Because you've seen a lot of people go down a dark path with that.And people have been very open about it in, in the scene.Sex became so simple and easy and replicable and not enjoyable that they ended up to men.Yeah.

Yeah.So, um, That definitely happens.Then you have like weird shit, like what Diddy does and stuff like that.But that's why, you know, I'll kind of remove like some of the advantages that I have, like with the club stuff.And I'll just like do regular day game and stuff like that to see if I can still have successes.That way it's like more meaningful.

Can the line still hunt?

Right, right.It's more about the pursuit, like being you know, difficult.And then there's like a reward, you know, for your efforts than anything, in my opinion.

Has there ever been a girl that you've been with or desired who you were really attracted to her personality, but maybe she was the one that got away?

Hmm.Uh, I don't know.That's a, that's a difficult one.

Do you miss anybody right now?Are there any girls in your life that you wish were still around?

No, not really.It's just, It's kind of difficult to say because I think just like the way that men and women interact, just on like a, you know, mitigating stress level, like there's a lot of benefits to just having like a woman's presence.in your life And I think those are kind of like universal so I wouldn't really say like there's been an individual That's been better or worse.

You know so not really so the the reason that you are not currently dating someone is Has nothing to do with not being able to find the right person well I Right now, I'm dating a couple of girls, actually, so.

Got a harem going on.How many?Three, soon to be four.Are they friends?

No, they don't get along.

Oh, it's getting better, actually.

You'd be surprised.

Do you have a favorite?

No.You can't have a favorite, I'm sure.No, you can't.I bet you do, though, secretly.Yeah, but I gotta say it.I gotta say it.

But it was two.Fiona.Yeah, if you want us to leave it now three soon to be four leave it in is crazy Yeah, leave it in so for no cuz then they'll compete.Is that what you're trying to do?

He doesn't give a shit.

Yeah, but it's incentivize He doesn't care wait was was the all from two to three based on Dan's advice that was yeah, that was definitely a part of it, but I was kind of just on one of those days where I'm just doing random shit.And I was like, I was sitting there eating lunch and I was like, fuck, like I need to invite more people to my house.So I just called up a bunch of girls.And the first thing I said to them was, hey, do you want to come move into my house?And I got actually a surprising amount of yeses.

Are you really going to host a competition with 500 girls and then impregnate the one who wins?

Uh, no, that was a meme.500 is a little too much.Yeah.Maybe like.I did.I got click baited.

I was thinking about like having like 20 girls like come and do challenges, but I haven't thought of the challenges yet Well, shouldn't the challenges be related to motherhood?Oh, that's interesting.Oh, yeah, that's true.

That's really right Nobody gives a fuck about that.That's like No, no, you could you could event eyes it you could event eyes it.No.Yeah, right dude speed folding clothes.Yeah, and like Cook off that's judged by a judge.Maybe I should join your creative team, dude I think yeah, you could you could make him a lot of money.

You'd be a sick manager I've done some behind -the -scenes clav work already.

Yeah.Yeah, you helped out with the one thing but dude, it was crazy because I think I gave like a a task list or a grocery list to one of the girls the other day and she fucked it up so bad that I was like starting to really like question humanity.I was like wow.She must have fucking botched it.I've had a lot of like my suits go in the washer and dryer before and I'm sitting there thinking like how is this even possible, you know?How is this possible?

Dude, trust me, I can relate.Poor Alex, I posted about it today.My clothes are always either wet or shrunk.Drying is a hands -on process.Drying's tough, yeah.You gotta stay engaged, okay?

You gotta get the clothes out when they're at the right temperature.Dryers aren't, nobody's dryer maxing.What was I gonna?

Look, bro, I think you have a stream tonight.

Oh, are you streaming tonight?

Oh yeah, you - I'm gonna try, yeah, if I can figure something out.I think you can get it done.It's just really about, like, how dangerous the area is.You're fine.Yeah.You're fine.

What night is it?

It's Thursday, you're good.I think, right?you can find some nightlife He can tell you just don't just don't don't don't get don't antagonize.Don't get big, you know, you know the drill San Juan he's fine.

Yeah security.

You'll be yeah Yeah, it's like that's the thing when I go out like I don't really you know uh even acknowledge like a single like guy's presence ever like we're just there to talk to girls and have a good time like dude i'm sure by the way i'm sure puerto ricans like will be really friendly they're they're very friendly and yeah yeah it seems that way yeah they'll like what you're doing yeah okay well that should work um yeah i uh i don't have any questions for us oh fuck hmm do i have any questions for you guys i would have if i Prepped yeah, that's crazy.

That's crazy.He came on our podcast.

He's like you know ask us something Wait can I ask you one?How's the HTG last question for me?How's the HTG journey going the reason I asked is because I'm trying to produce a viable sample To freeze you want to do a tat a semen test I have already done a it's bad because I was because I've been on test for five years mg2 I know that I just got the price on it.Holy shit Yeah, I mean.$1 ,500 a week around?

You could get it for less than that with the right, so I could help, yeah, I'll help with that.

But you were just HCG so far?

Yeah.

And you had?

I have HMG, yeah.

But you had results from HCG?

Yes.

Okay, so maybe I don't even have to do it.

No, I don't think y 'all necessarily need to, but HMG is definitely a way to pretty much guarantee things.

Was your LH and sperm output basically at zero?

Yeah.

Okay.

Yeah.

Wait, I did have one more question.Do you collect Pokemon cards?

I don't.Do you collect anything?Uh...Sunglasses, I like.Really?Yeah.

Yeah.Do I collect anything else?No.I don't really think so.Something to think about.Alright, let's get out of here.

I think that was pretty interesting though, the 5 million dollar card or whatever.I was kind of following that story.

That was 16 million.

It's worth 16 million.

That's what he sold it for.

Holy shit.That was a pretty good flip.I like it, dude.But I would have started doing Pokemon cards if I knew you could do that kind of stuff.It's not too late.It's not too late.

I think the hobby is warming up still.

Yeah.

But dude, it's been great.Thanks.Thanks for coming out of Puerto Rico.Thanks for having me.Yeah.It's funny where I think we got a ton of clips I can totally see.

Dude, clips but also like a rich...

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