The Invisible Nuclear Bomb - Strait of Hormuz & Global Economy | Lt Col Narender | FO484 Raj Shamani

How will this war end?

Iran will never surrender. We are ready for a long haul battle. They simply say, we are ready to fire for 10 years. Lieutenant Colonel Narendra Singh Thakur is an expert in bomb disposal and post-blast analysis. He had accurately predicted 8 months ago

that Iran-Israel-US war was going to happen. He had spot on predicted How exactly Iran will fight, they had predicted it spot on. Iran's military budget is about 25-30 billion dollars. US's military budget is more than 800 billion dollars. Despite all these things, Iran is able to create so much damage.

The ballistic missile's stockpile, they make thousands of missiles. Missiles. The interceptor missiles used in the US are only 200. He told us that a small country like Iran

is fighting with US billions of dollars of weapons with such cheap weapons. And how this war can collapse the world economy. Shahid drone costs 20-40 thousand dollars. Going against interceptor missiles which are 3-4 million. To stop a drone worth 30-40 lakhs, the US has to spend 70-80 crores.

In the first 100 hours, they have poofed up about 7-8 billion dollars. And they have got a nuclear bomb. Where is the nuclear bomb after Iran? State of Hormuz is the nuclear bomb. Nobody knows. Why do you say so?

It is any day better than having an actual physical nuclear bomb. Where you are actually not dropping a bomb on anyone and killing people. But you are killing the global economy. 20% of the entire global crude oil flows through the state of Hormuz. If it is shut down for a year, it causes trillions of dollars in losses. We have talked about some such weapons

which if deployed in this war,

then recovery can be impossible.

The initial first attack, there were almost 200 jets that were used in that attack. Israel and the US. When they took out the entire leadership of Iran, 49 leaders in one go, including the supreme leader. How did they do it?

When they call Mossad, they call it for this reason. Their operations are not designed for a year or two years. They take about 10 years, 15, 20, 30, 40 years. People are penetrated so deep into the system, that you won't know how high level the officer is. Why is Iron Dome so famous in the world? First of all, it's layered.

Plus, it saved Israel in many wars. It is the only reason it got so famous. The same performance which S-400 gave during Operation Sindhu. S-400 is very famous. US and Israel have caused something in Iran.

That is called Black Raid.

US has struck Iran's oil depots. Because of that, the amount of fumes and everything that happened because of its burning, it created a cloud. And through that, whenever it rains or water falls, it can cause severe damage to the human body.

That is being called the black rain.

And what is that material?

White phosphorus. So white phosphorus is a chemical which when reacts with atmospheric oxygen, it produces a lot of heat. That heat is capable of burning your bones as well. It creates an inhumane sort of pain. Iran attacked the Middle East.

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You predicted it, You said it before. And at that time I thought, what are you talking about? Why would Iran do this? Because it's a brotherhood. Islamic brotherhood. Why would it do this? But you said it exactly pinpointedly right and it became exact. So that was spot on. So we'll talk more predictions. But before that, someone had put this clip somewhere and it went viral. And a lot of people were in awe of how you predicted, why you did it, how do you know, and if you knew, how did others know.

But there were some comments where people were like, call this person, say anything, now everyone has become a predictor. For them, for that 0.1% people who made such comments, can you tell them who you are, what do you do, what is your background, so that they understand that it is not coming from the air, it is coming from an expert who understands weapon very well, who has served in the army, who has been into ranks? Look, people will be there.

Point person will always be there. Specifically, we talk a lot about that. People don't realize that it is not the clips that they see. Raj and guest sit in the studio and talk for a long time. And we discussed a lot of stuff. We talked a lot that day. We talked about the US bases

that will be hit. We talked about that too. We were talking beyond that because anyone and everyone can predict that the US bases will be hit. Everyone should come out of this thought process. When the US bases are hit, it doesn't matter to the world. US bases are US bases to control Middle East. It is not randomly they are hitting Islamic states. There is always intelligence.

There is a lot of intelligence. They have a lot of things. There are nations which are their friends. Iran is not an isolated country. Everybody should get out of that thought process. It is important to understand the relationship between Iran and Israel.

Okay. Explain. If Israel and the US, Israel's friend is the US, okay. India and Israel are very good friends. Everyone should get this out of their minds. What kind of friend is this? Iran and Israel and India have a very close friendship. Because Israel has helped us in every battle. In every war they have helped us. As recent as Operation Sindoor.

They give us technology, share it with us, and we will be friends with them. With Iran, if we talk about India, Iran is indispensable for India because of its geographic location in Central Asia. It is indispensable because of the Chabahar port and Central Asia axis. But Iran is an inconvenient friendship for us.

So, we have a friend. I mean, it's okay.

There is a problem.

There is a problem for us. So, we have to follow our foreign policy, our strategic autonomy. We have to follow our foreign policy. We have to follow our foreign policy. We have to follow our foreign policy, strategic autonomy, we follow it. We believe that we have the advantage of Iran. And we talk about where it is right, and where it is not, we leave it there. But Iran has got very good friends in Russia. They have got very good friends as China.

Those who think that Russia and China is not part of the war, they are also sleeping. They are actually sleeping. Okay. If they don't realize the direct intervention of at least Russia in this conflict. If they don't see Russia in this conflict, then they literally don't understand what

is happening. We will come to that. We call it Central Asia. They call it Middle East. We call it Central Asia. We talk about it.

It has all these parts. Bahrain, Kuwait, Saudi Arabia, and the UAE, etc. If we have to keep it with everyone, then Iran is one of them. Because we have always been good with Iran compared to other countries. So, that thing will always be there.

India always balances it out. The balancing power of India is this balancing act, which is the best in the world today. If you look around the world, then there is no one other than Prime Minister Modi who can get these wars to end. There's no other way.

I'm talking about one individual.

True.

How we can stop this war, we'll come to that. But as an individual, if we talk about who is the person who can ring up the President of the United States or he can call up Benjamin Netanyahu or he can call up Iran and talk to them. It is only Prime Minister Modi who can do it. India has that leverage.

Sure.

And obviously, all our oil comes straight from Hormuz. How much export we get from there. It's almost about 60% of our import that comes from there. So, we have to take care of that. It is going to affect India as well. If that trade is stopped in any way, or if our relationship with Iran is getting worse, if Russia is getting sanctioned against India. So, the balancing act that is being done, we used to take oil from Venezuela earlier, but now we are not able to. So, Iran is indispensable. We can't leave it. And of and its proximity. Got it. So, for the Central Asian influence, Iran is very important.

Now, I will explain this in terms of India. If there is an attack on India, let's talk about predictions. Because India is going to go against China sometime soon. Okay. We are going to have a war against China. Really?

Yes. We are going to have a war. We don't know when it will happen. It will happen today, tomorrow, in 10 years. It will happen anytime, whenever. But this war has to happen because there are so many unresolved issues. So, I am not predicting the war as such. I am telling you an example of a war with civilizational histories.

Why Iran will never surrender, what everyone wants in this war. This same thing will happen with India in civilization. If India goes to war with any country, if it is China, then India will never give up. You will never see India surrendering, ever. Because we are not in civilization.

We have seen many invasions. We have seen the world's invasion. We have seen a lot of invasions. We have seen the world's invasion. We have seen Britishers here for 200 years. But civilizations never end. Civilizations never surrender. 62 war is the prime example of it.

Of all the wars that we have won, I am particularly selecting a war where we say India lost to China in 62 which is fine. Okay. Controversial, yes, because there are aspects behind it, whether it was a military or political defeat, but whatever it was. The defeat in 1962, whatever happened, it's okay. But you must not have seen this in 1962.

In that, it is almost last man, last bullet fights. People have been wiped out completely. The battalions, the companies, everybody was lost. But nobody came back. You won't find any of those moments of cowardice. You won't find them in civilizational history. Because nobody will accept us. They know, the fighters. Surrender and survival is not an option. It is always a choice of bravery and bravery.

Because we have always seen from our ancestors that we will die fighting.

Agreed.

So, that thing will come. That is the same thing in India. We will also like to die fighting. I am giving you an example that if I am a third generation, if in a war ever, if I want to come back, so I'll have to look back and see that my two generations who are waiting for me, they'll never going to, they'll not accept me.

When I come back, they'll tell me that you're better off dying. This is Indian culture. This is Iranian culture. So, look at it as much as you want. The pain absorbing capability, the amount of pain that they can absorb, the amount of punishment they can take, it comes from that fact that there is no option of giving up. Ideologically, the regime will end if they use the word surrender. So, Iran will not give up, will not surrender.

The US had to change the regime, that will not happen. How will this war end? This war is ending, Iran is doing it. Actually, Iran is ending the war. What Iran is doing is ending the war by closing the strait. Iran knows this simple thing that it has to make the war so costly. Not for the US, but for the world.

That everybody else in the world, leaving aside these three countries that are fighting each other, should go and request Iran to leave this war and end it. And the US and Israel should also say, end this war. Both parties should come together so that both the parties can declare victory, partial victory. That I will never surrender. I fought till my last breath. I caused this much attrition in terms of economy, in terms of weapon, in terms of life.

And the other party, US and Israel will also say the same thing. We almost decimated Iran. Like Trump said, there is nothing left to target in Iran. We have almost decimated the whole of Iran. We don't have a target to hit. It is nothing. It is a narrative. There are so many things. Missiles are flying. You have a target to hit. But you cannot go beyond a certain limit. If you go beyond this,

the cost is so high. We will discuss the cost as well. There is so much cost of everything. The cost will increase. And Iran will keep increasing this cost. If it increases, then the world will have to shut down. So, explain the cost asymmetry between the two. First, when we talk about cost, why the US cannot decimate it completely and bear the cost? Because what I know, Iran's military budget is about 25 to 30 billion dollars. US's military budget is more than 800 billion dollars.

Almost a trillion dollars. And they are at such a big advantage. Technologically, they are advanced. Financially, they are more advanced. Global power wise, they are more advanced. They have more bases. Even after having everything,

Iran is able to create so much damage from such a small budget of 25-30 billion dollars. What is the cost? What are the strategies that Iran is using against them? When two such disproportionate powers, when there is a huge disproportion of powers, when they fight each other, then the one who is superior in proportion, they go for conventional warfare. Conventional warfare is use of air assets, naval assets, ground assets. He fights with assets.

The one who is inferior in this proportion, the inferior the party is, they always go for asymmetric warfare. What is asymmetric warfare? In asymmetric warfare, there is use of low-end equipments, low-end drones. Iran's strategy at this time is all based on this. We discussed about missiles last time also. The plethora of missiles that they have is just huge.

We saw a lot of missiles last time. Some people might say, okay, they've got a finite number. Let's say 3000-4000 missiles. But 3000-4000 missiles is not a smallish number. Even if they fire 100 missiles a day, it will last for 30 days. 30 days is not a smallish number. 3000-4000 missiles means, if he can fire 100 missiles a day, then the war will last for 30 days.

30 days is not a small war.

True.

With missiles. I am saying…

Damage will be insane as well.

What kind of a damage they are causing. And it's not like it's one type of missile. Every missile is intercepted. So many missiles are falling. may show, may not show. But what happens is that it has so many different equipment. Now, Shahid drone. It costs nothing.

30,000 to 40,000 dollars. Going against interceptor missiles, which are 3 to 4 million. See the difference. It's a 100 times difference. More than 100 times the difference.

It's a 1,000 times difference in cost. So you're saying Iran leaves one drone. Iran won't leave one drone. I'm saying just like one drone, if it leaves with a missile,

Shahid missile.

Shahid drone.

Shahid drone.

Yeah.

So one suicide drone. Suicide drone. Kamikaze drone. So one drone Iran leaves, which is, on to fire at least two interceptors. So, there is not even one interceptor. So, no interceptor. So, to stop a drone worth 30-40 lakhs, the US has to spend 70-80 crores. Yes, it has to spend.

And this is already happening.

This is happening.

I mean, the daily war cost is in billion dollars. I mean, the US has a billion dollars. Around a billion dollars. So, the insane amount of money is getting ahead. That's why this attrition cost is going to come somewhere. We can say that it is a very big, trillion dollar economy. Then we have to bring all the terms.

And it is not only the weapons that are getting used. Weapons are not the only cost. It is not just the cost of weapons. It is the naval fleet. Two carrier groups have gone there. Strike carrier groups have gone there. Their daily oil expenditure is worth a million dollars.

Just to keep the engines and generators on, keep the missiles on, keep the radars on all the time, maintain the radars, the electronic warfare that is going on there, maintain and sustain all that. time radars, maintaining the electronic warfare, sustaining it, a lot of money that is being poofed up.

But is US not using the low-cost drones? Lucas? They are also using it. What is the story behind drones? Now, we have to bring in Russia here. Russia has to come in because just a drone is not the only story.

How to use a drone tactically and strategically is also a story. Who will have good experiences in this story? Russia and Ukraine are fighting a war since Feb of 2022. It's been four years. They have used a lot of drones against one another. Both of them are crewed up in using, tactically using drones.

Drones are not only used to send them and they fall and get damaged in some places. Its real use is to overwhelm air defenses by the share number of it. So that when a ballistic missile is fired, then the air defenses are able to stop the ballistic missile and engage in your drones. This is the kind of tactics which is employed by Russia and Ukraine, both of them. Russians are giving those tactical advice to Iran. It's now known, they don't accept it, but okay, every military mind knows this. This is the most important asset other than

the intelligence that Russia was giving, the satellite, which Russia was providing, the satellite imagery that it was giving, the internet links, the star links that it was jamming, apart from all these things, Russia's war tactics, sharing with Iran is the most important factor. So, the drones are being used properly. Ukraine has offered a similar kind of help to the US. That we will tell you. That Russia...

Not Russia, that how we are using it. Because Ukraine did some of the very, very good operations, drone operations were conducted by Ukraine against Russia.

What did they do?

I don't remember the exact dates, but they attacked one of the airfields where they had multi-billion dollar assets. They had expensive planes and fighter jets. They destroyed it and smuggled their drones in a truck into Russia, into the vicinity of that airfield. And they were not even like martyrs.

They were small drones, quadcopters, very cheap ones. The drones that cost 2-4 lakhs, 5 lakhs. And they destroyed that airfield. You search it, you'll find it, that news. So, Ukraine has fantastically well, they have used this tactic so well. They offered it to US.

We'll tell you, we'll tell you about the drone. Don't make a new drone. Lukas is nothing but a re-engineered model of Shahid only.

Okay, what is this? Is this what US is using?

Yes, this is the drone. One second. This is India's. This is the one. This is LUKAS.

Okay.

Okay? This is the drone. A small one. A wingspan of 2.4 meters. Okay. The same size as this table. Okay. The table that we are sitting. Low cost drones, exactly what Shahid is. Shahid was re-engineered and made into a drone. So, the world's most advanced army, which was spending crores of rupees every day,

now with its own enemy… Now, it is using its own enemy's strategy and exactly the same drone. Like Shahid. The one made by Iran. The one made by Iran,

which was captured by the US in some operation. And they have re-engineered it. Nobody wants to reinvent the wheel. This is such a great low-cost drone. Which is working with ballistic missiles. How much destruction can it do?

It carries about 40 kg of, how much is there in it? 18, 16, 18 kg. It is good enough to take down a multi-storied building, if it hits properly. 18 kg is a lot of ammunition. It has a lot of ammunition, 18 kg. It can bring down a building. But I said again, its biggest... This entire building can be gone on just small. It is not a small one. 35,000. That's it.

But it has got 18 kgs of explosive in it.

It will take down this building.

Fair and square easily.

And it will come, it will loiter, it will check, it will see and it will fall when it wants

to fall. It is being controlled by the system. It is being controlled by the system. easily. And it's not like it will hit like this. It'll come, it'll loiter, it'll check, it'll see, and it'll fall when it wants to fall. It is being controlled properly. It must be connected to this. Now, obviously, it won't be connected to INS, but it will be GPS guided. If it is also connected to INS, and the inertial navigation system is also connected, then you will also deny the GPS, And the best part about this drone is that it is doing the best thing.

Your air defenses are getting overwhelmed because of this. So, imagine a wave of this drone comes and your interceptors get fired. So, one is the cost factor. How much cost and money you have wasted. It's just the cost factor. How much cost you have wasted? How much money you have wasted? It's just the one factor. If you have an interceptor battery,

its interceptors are empty. All the interceptors are gone. Now you fire a ballistic missile behind it. Not one of them, three, four of them. Now there are no interceptors to intercept it. A ballistic missile is falling on you.

Now imagine the kind of damage it is happening. Okay, wait, tell me. Let's do one thing. You tell me, Iran, Israel and USA, the story that is going on between these three, the war that is going on, in this, from top to bottom, which are the top 10 weapons being used and what do they do, how do they do destruction? Let's just go one by one. Like drone, THAAD system, all these things which I am not able to understand. It is a lot of data.

So, one by one, like you can explain what is THAAD system, what is Iron Dome, what are missile ballistics, what are drones, and then we can go through that. We will categorize into. Okay, got it. So, like first, when Israel attacked first, they used a Black Sparrow missile. They used Blue Sparrow.

Blue Sparrow missile. They used Blue Sparrow. Blue Sparrow. So, we will discuss Blue Sparrow. To use Blue Sparrow, we tell you that in air assets, it is very… They have fantastic air assets. In air assets, they have got American systems. F-35 is there. A different version from what the US Army uses.

F-35. Then they have got F-16s, they have got F-15s, Hornets, they have got F-18s. They have all these. And as the US itself uses these platforms, Israel uses it in a different way. They have integrated their missiles in it.

Okay.

Okay. So, you will see the name. When American use it, they call it F-35 Lightning.

Okay.

Israel, there is no other different name. F-35, there is Adir or something else. They have different names for it. That name is not just that it is with Israel. They have different systems also integrated into it.

So, they use different missiles with their platforms. And number of missiles come from America. Number of missiles are integrated. They get their AI changes.

Okay.

So, Israel uses air assets, in which planes are of America. Yes. And these are mostly planes. Mostly, these are all fighter jets. There are different roles. Like F-35 is a stealth fighter. Okay. F-22 again, which nobody has. It is of the US. But this is stealth. F-15 was the fighter. What is a stealth fighter? Stealth fighter, we have previously also discussed.

Stealth as a word, something which cannot be picked up. How they achieve it is by the coating that they have. The way the plane is cut and designed in a way that the radar signal coming to it, they get deflected. So, it has a coating, deflections, it has a cut, which is its exhaust because exhaust emits a lot of heat. Heat can be easily picked up. coming to it, they get deflected. So, it has a coating, deflections, it has a cut. It has

an exhaust because exhaust emits a lot of heat. Heat can be easily picked up. So, again, the exhaust is designed in a way that heat is not available for the radar signal to pick. So, its exhaust changes. It has weapons. Again, weapons is one thing which is very easily picked up by the radars. So, the pads, pods of his weapons are also inside his body. So, it is designed that way. F-35 is a stealth fighter. Now, the first day when they took out the entire leadership of Iran, 49 leaders in one go. It's stupid. Why stupid? That also I'll explain. But with stupid, we have to see 49 leaders.

I mean, the kind of info they had, the penetration they had. They had hacked into the entire surveillance system of Iran. How did they do this? All the traffic cameras. Look, when people talk about Mossad, they talk about it because of this. Their operations are not designed for a year or two years.

They take about 10 years, 15, 20, 30, 40 years. This is how they plan. People are penetrated so deep into the system that you wouldn't know how high level officer is actually a Mossad agent. So, that thing has to be given. And it's not like Mossad does it alone.

Okay, Mossad has a lot of names. They have done a lot very good name. They have done very good operations. But all the intelligence agencies are raw and stuff. They do such stuff. In this one also, they had hacked the surveillance cameras of the whole street. That is how they got to know that the meeting is going on the 28th, not the 27th. So, they had to postpone it by a day.

Otherwise, the attack would have happened on the 27th. They got to know that they are meeting on 28th. And they took down the entire leadership. 49 leaders including the supreme leader was killed with one strike. That strike happened that weapon that they had used was a blue arrow weapon system that we are talking. Blue arrow is a platform used to launch that was F-15 fighter jet was the platform that was used. Blue Sparrow from F-15 fighter jet was the platform that was used. Blue Sparrow was launched from F-15 fighter jet.

Blue Sparrow is a… What is Blue Sparrow? Blue Sparrow is kind of a ballistic missile. It is called a target. It's an air-launched, it's a ballistic target missile. The word target is the catch in between. Because the role in which it was used, it is not generally used in that role. Ballistic missiles are there which follow a parabolic trajectory.

Okay.

A ballistic missile runs in three phases. It has a fixed trajectory. That when it gets initial propulsion, which will be its first part, it will launch. So, it will launch in a particular arc. Okay. It will cross into the space. Then it will launch. So, it will launch in a particular arc. It will cross into the space. Then it will glide in space.

And then it will fall with a terminal velocity. Okay. So, it glides in the mid-course. In the terminal phase, it falls at the hypersonic speed. Hypersonic is Mach 5. Mach 1 is the speed of sound.

So, generally, they are beyond Mach 10 also. Hypersonic is more speed of sound. So, generally, they are beyond Mark 10 also. Hypersonic is Mark 5 se zyada. Is hypersonic. Mark 1 is speed of sound. Mark 5 is hypersonic. And generally, when they enter in the third phase ballistic missiles, they are 10, 15, 20 marks pe. Matlab uski speed itni zyada hoti hai us time pe. Yeh aise girti hai. Yeh parabola bana ke wo When you say ballistic target missile, that means these missiles are used to copy the trajectory of the enemy's ballistic missile.

So, that your air defense systems, you can train them. So, the blue arrow word, there are three systems. Black arrow, which is of low range. Blue arrow, which is of medium range, up to 2000 kilometers. And there is another one, Silver Sparrow. They have three systems.

Their arrow defense system, their air defense system is arrow. They use the iron dome, which makes the three. Arrow to David's Ling, this part. In that, the arrow air defense system, Sejil, which is their missile. Generally, you can take Sejil, Khorramshahr or Khyber Shekhin. These are their main missiles, medium-range ballistic missiles of Iran.

They use it to depict their path and to train their defense system on it.

Okay.

This missile…

They had made a dummy of themselves to train themselves. Yes, like India has the earth. Now you have to train your air defense system on ballistic missiles so that our air defense system is better. And you can catch the ballistic missile better. Because if you want to catch a ballistic missile, you can catch it in the first phase. to They had used this thing, this blue sparrow. Okay. Why did they use blue sparrow?

Why don't you think traditional bombs, traditional missiles are not used? That is for the think tanks to see at what time. I mean, so many people are sitting. They always discuss which platform is to be used. Obviously, why use F-15 only? You can also say that F-15 is there.

F-16 could have been used. What is the problem with F-15 fighter jet. F-15 fighter jet. What is the benefit of F-15 fighter jet? F-15 fighter jet is made for this purpose. It is made for carrying heavy payloads in strike roles. So, everyone has a different role. F-35 is used in air-to-air combat. Its stealth is used in air-to-air combat. Air-to-air means against the other fighter.

F-16? F-16 is a multi-role, like our Rafale. It is generally like that, in multi-role, that you have to strike, launch somewhere and also do air-to-air combat in multiple roles. And F-15 launch? F-15 is generally for these kinds of weapons, to deliver such weapons. Okay.

So, they used Blue Sparrow missile from F-15. F-15. Okay. So, Israel is really good with air assets. Air assets and air defense assets. But air defense, if we talk about air defense,

their famous Iron Dome. So, it's a misconception that there is no dome. There is no dome that is built on top of you and nothing can come inside it. There is nothing like that. Okay. So, if I am attacking Raj, the first thing that will activate is that he will see where the punch is coming from.

So, if I am attacking Raj, the first thing that will activate is that he will see where the punch is coming from. So, if I am attacking Raj, the first thing that will get activated, first of all, it has to see where the punch is coming from. So, you have to see. So, to see anything, it is called a radar.

So, your radar is like an eye.

Okay.

It sees what is coming.

Okay.

It has different ranges. When we talk of different systems, different systems have got different ranges where it can detect. Whether it's 100, 70 or 1000 km. It has its own capacity of a platform.

That's the first thing. The second thing is the brain. It calculates whether the punch is coming from the left, right, in speed, from where, down, hook, jab, etc. It calculates everything.

It uses its brain. That is the control unit. The control units in the radar. Computers are used to calculate the trajectory. How fast is it coming? Which projectile is coming?

Which navigation system, etc. All these things have to be calculated by a control unit. It's very simple. After that, you know what's coming and you have to stop it. You need interceptors to stop it. Interceptors are nothing but the same missiles.

The missiles that are coming at you will be the same missiles that are inside it. We call it the Patriot system. It has missiles. The same missiles that are coming at you, there will be the same missiles inside it. Like we call it the Patriot system, Patriot missiles. It has missiles. If this missile is coming, then another missile will come from here.

Okay, so in the Iron Dome, radar, control units, interceptors. Any of them. Not the Iron Dome. The Iron Dome is an air defense system of Israel. Similar to India's air defense system, we are talking about S-400, or Akash, or Akash-NG.

When we talk about the US, we talk about the Patriot. So, these are the 4-5 things in the system. Okay. So, let's talk about why is its radar, Iron Dome, so famous in the world?

You can see it from far away. The radar is stronger, the control unit is better. What can it stop? The main reason for Iron Dome's fame was the layered equipment. And plus, it saved Israel in many wars.

It is the only reason it got so famous. That it actually saved Israel because of its performance. It's the same performance which S-400 gave during Operation Sindoor. So, S-400 became very famous. It's doing the same thing.

Okay.

So, this-400 became very famous. It is doing the same thing. Okay. So, this is the range. And whenever we talk about air defense, air defense will always be layered. If you are lucky, what happens in layering is that the danger of different different projectiles is being stopped at different different ranges. So, that I start at 400 with S-400. I detect it at 600, stop at 400. My Akash will come, I will try to stop it at around 100 km. When Akash's system will also be over, I will use my QR-SAM, I mean, quick reaction surface to air missile,

or MR-SAM, medium range surface to air missile. Below that, I have my very short range air defense systems. What are those very short range? They are shoulder manpads, shoulder mounted. Very short range air defense systems. What are those very short range? Shoulder man pads. There is a thing called shoulder mounted igla. They fire rockets from the shoulders.

Its range will be around 10-15 km. So, to stop different assets, they will be different. Now, there is a new start. Anti-drone systems have come. Okay.

Now, what is in anti-drones? Drone is the most difficult thing to stop. Why? Because one, it overwhelms, it comes in a lot of, it comes in waves. So, a lot of them come at once. Plus, its cross-sectional area is very small. Okay.

Now, if we talk about a drone of 3 meters, when it is 10 kilometers away in the air or 5 kilometers away, then this cross-sectional area will go in centimeters. True. Which is already coming within centimeters. The small FPV drones, which are already in centimeters. So, when you fly it in the sky, it's a very short range. One kilometer is no range.

But the 15 to 30 centimeter cross-sectional area that you have within a kilometer, it appears like a dot. It looks like an actual dot. When we fly our commercial drones, we fly our photography drones as well. Just when it has reached 200 meters, 300 meters,

you only see a dot. At times, you lose it.

You can't see it.

You can understand where it is, but everyone is asking you where it is, but you can't see it. And now you have to stop it. And now it is armed also. Really, it is not carrying 1 kg or 2 kg. But that 1 kg is again sufficient enough to kill people. If it falls in the open, it is going to kill people.

So, it becomes all the more difficult. So, the anti-drone systems are also becoming a part of this layer. So, the anti-drone system layer is also there in the Iron Dome? Yes, obviously, it is there. It is being used everywhere these days. You call it part of Iron Dome or not is for them to decide. So, because of so many layers, it is so strong and it has saved Israel for a long time.

That's why it's famous. Compare Israel's Iron Dome versus India's S-400. Which is more powerful? Iron Dome is a complete system which includes multiple. Like India's layered system. What is the name of India's system?

No specific name. Our Sudarshan Chakra.

Okay.

Sorry. We call it Sudarshan Chakra. It starts from S400. So, our Sudarshan Chakra is better than Israel's Iron Dome? If you look at it now, we have not faced the similar barrage of missiles and drones which Israel have faced. So, it is a little difficult to compare.

But the performance that we had in Operation Sindhur was fantastic. And it actually showed not just the S-400s, the Akash system, which is an indigenous system. The performance of Akash and Akash, the new Akash, the enhanced version, which increased the range from 40 odd kilometers to 100 odd kilometers. So, it performed really well. So, this is it. And layering is very good. The same thing is good in India. The fusion of sensors in air defense is very good. So, do you think theoretically we are better today?

Kind of. I mean, it seems so. It seems so we are improving. But the tested is more. There are blind spots in every air defense system. Is there any blind spot in the Iron Dome?

No. Kind of. It seems so. It seems so we are improving. But tested was other. Every air defense system has blind spots. Is there any blind spot of Iron Dome? Iron Dome, Tel Aviv, as I said, we had a lot of missiles falling on it. Now in Iran? Absolutely. If anyone can deny it. But the news is suppressed. It's as simple as that.

News is spread from the West. And war is nothing but about narratives and perceptions. At the end of the day, sense of victory can be ruined because of news. So, in Israel, you feel that Iran has created a lot of destruction. Yes, I 100% believe that Iran has caused a lot of destruction there. Iran has suffered a lot of destruction. Yes, I 100% believe that Iran has caused a lot of destruction there. Iran has suffered a lot of destruction. They have also suffered a lot of destruction. They have also done a lot of destruction. It would be wrong, objectively

thinking, it would be wrong to say that so many missiles are being fired and they are not falling there. It is not, I don't think, as a military mind, I feel that it is not possible that all of them get intercepted and stop. It's not difficult. It is almost kind of impossible. So, even after having such an advanced system in the world, it's…

No, no, there is no guarantee against such. Look, you can have, the human tactics, finally, which evolve when a war breaks out. So, after that, the system has to get used to it. So, we get to know that only after the war. Interesting. And Iran does not have its own air defense system.

They have S-300, right? Iran refused to take Russian S-300s. Russia has not given its S-400s right? Iran refused to take Russian S-300s. Russia has not given its S-400 to anyone except India. If I am missing, I mean, it was not given to China. And it had offered to Iran, but Iran refused to take it. Iran rather went for HQ-9, if I am not wrong, which is of Chinese origin.

HQ-9. HQ-9.

Okay. I am pretty sure that HQ-9. I'm pretty sure HQ-9 is the Chinese air defence system. And like in Operation Sindhu, the Chinese system has once again proven to be fatal for

the CCP.

When they have proven to be Chinese. There's a wave of 200 fighter jets and they don't stop anything. Their air defence system doesn't not drop a single plane. Where were the 200 planes from? The initial first attack had almost 200 jets that were used in that attack. Israel?

Israel and US. Israel and US had 200 fighter jets. Obviously, they did not go into their airspace completely. They can fire from a distance. So, that was there. But still, in your air defense, there should be so much capability that you detect and tell something.

But HQ-9 has completely failed. So, when you got complete air superiority in it, where the planes of the US and Israel are flying openly, no one is able to stop them. Even at this time, Iran, with very limited budget, is attacking a lot on Israel, on UAE, on US bases, on Saudi Arabia, on Qatar, on multiple places. Multiple places, almost 12 to 13 different places.

So, what does Iran use to attack?

What weapons do they have?

They use their missiles.

Okay.

They have the number of ballistic missiles that they have. Now, what they do not have in ballistic missiles is not IRBM and ICBM. Okay. What is it? Which is an intermediate range ballistic missile. And ICBM is Intercontinental Ballistic Missile.

If you take it simply with range, anything less than 5500 kilometers, IRBM is up to 5500 kilometers. If you go above 5500 in range, then it becomes ICBM. They have generally MRBM, means Medium Range Ballistic Missile. All these examples that I was giving, Khyber Shekhin, Khurramshahr, Sejal, etc. are of this They never wanted to hit mainland US or mainland some other country. And they are all Iranian made. The capacity that they have to make these missiles is 100 It can make 200 interceptors in a year for THAAD. They make missiles in thousands.

They have 100 times more. Some figures say that only 12 to 15 THAAD missiles are made in a year in the US. This is also a figure in open source. And these are not normal figures. What happened with Iran? But to hit the target, the target should be there. Most of your targets are underground. They are in tunnels. They hit and leave. Okay, what happened with Iran is, which justifies the kind of, the scale of operation that they conducted. The first strike, the way the US thought about it, it went against the US. Taking down the leadership on the very first day resulted in a decentralized

command and control. Decentralized command and control was IRGC, the Revolutionary Guard Corps of Iran. It has got 31 districts. So, it got decentralized and divided into 31 parts. So, 31 commanders stood up. They had this from, that you don't look towards Tehran for any orders. You are independent commanders. You have got independent arsenal of missiles. You've got, you've been given your targets. You know that you have Kuwait, you have Bahrain, you have Qatar, UAE, Dubai. Everyone knew their targets. Everyone's platforms were with them. Okay. Everyone's platforms are hidden. Everyone has missile stocks, drone stocks.

And after being so decentralized, it is so difficult to stop them. To get them all on one page together and give them a singular command to stop. That too became so difficult. It went against USA.

As soon as they were decentralized, the amount of attacks that you saw, they attacked about 12 to 13 different countries. Okay. So, that soon as they were decentralized, the amount of attacks that you saw, they attacked about 12 to 13 different countries. Then they had their axis of resistance. Hezbollah, okay, Hamas is almost as good as over, but Hezbollah was there, Houthis were there.

They all had a command that if the supreme leadership of Iran goes, then you have to do this and that from here. You have to do as much as you can. And they did that. And then it become very difficult for everyone. And for instance, if you have taken down the supreme leadership only, you have taken down

the 49 men. So, now to negotiate at the national level, when the commander in control has become decentralized, someone has to be brought back in a singular command. Now, with whom will you bring? So, it is again an issue. So, there are all these problems. The objective is not being achieved.

What are these using now? These 31 different commanders, who have become sick, are doing it on their own.

They are not following anything.

I will not use the word rogue. They were given a certain directive.

From who?

From the supreme leadership which is not anymore. They have decided. Okay, so they are still operating through the directive. They are not doing it from their mind. They have got a directive that when we will not have leadership in Tehran. So what do you have to do?

So what do you have to do? So, what you have to do? Then you will be independent commanders. So, they are going as per the protocol. So, they are going as per the protocol. So, this is the biggest failure of the US. The biggest calculation mistake they made was that we will take down the leadership like we did in Venezuela and the country will fall. But a country with civilization, as I explained, they will never fall. They will never fall.

They will will fall. But a country with civilization, as I explained, they will never fall. They have reference points to fight. So, they went to their reference point.

Like, every state has its own person.

They had their own directives. So, they settled back in that. Similarly for us also, whenever there were attacks in India, you may have attacked Delhi, but all the other states independently, they all were fighting for a very long time. The whole country didn't fall. The country will not fall.

It won't be like this. It will be different because we are so big.

I'm talking about years ago.

Yes, at that time. Like during the reign of kings. During the reign of kings, exactly. Historically, this could have happened. Everyone knew how to save their part. How I have to fight with my own resources limited or whatever I am given. So, I don't have to look at any central emperor.

As a kingdom, how I have to fight, they knew. So, that's exactly what is happening there. Now, what do they use? Now, they are using their missiles and their drones. These are the two things. And they have got a nuclear bomb.

Iran has a nuclear bomb? Iran has used their nuclear bomb.

On who?

State of Hormuz is the nuclear bomb. Nobody knows. State of Hormuz is the biggest nuclear bomb. We should come to that in a minute. We should go very interesting point. The ballistic missiles, how many missiles would Iran have?

Conservatively about say 2000 to 3000 at least and spread across 31 districts underground platforms, launchers underground and tactics to use it. When to take it out, when to hit, when to take it in. They must have been preparing for this for years. They have not been found wanting. They have prepared.

They were idiots to believe the negotiations. Second time around, they made the same mistake. They made this mistake in June. They made this mistake again in 8-10 months. So, they are idiots, obviously. Who's idiots? Iranians. Why? Because they had been bombed in the June negotiations. Now, they come in February and then negotiate. And in the middle of the negotiations, they don't understand that

they are going to be attacked. So, obviously, they are idiots, but they got fooled once again. So, this will also go against the US that next time the US negotiates with somebody, people would be ready for a war immediately. Because every time they negotiate, they move inside. So, this will also be one thing. But the Iranians, who thought that they responded within a few hours of the first wave of a massive attack that happened. So,

within a few hours, it meant that they were ready. They were prepared. And the amount of missiles and the amount of targets that they engaged, it shows that the Iranians were prepared. So, within a few hours, they started using this. Yes, they retaliated within hours. Their drones, the low-cost drones which we talked about, every drone is capable enough to take down one building.

Yes, absolutely. Shahids can easily take down one building. And how many Shahid drones do they have? Conservatively, about 80,000 to a lakh. Look, some things are such that if you listen to their NSA, their president or their foreign minister, if you listen to these people, they are ready for a long-haul battle. They say it simply, to an extent wherein they have said that we are ready to

fire for 10 years is what they said and they fought a war with Iraq for 8 years. The hard, these are hard people. So you, somebody will have to come and get the negotiations done. Really Qatar or Oman or India will have to come. Oman is trying right for a very long time. They tried, they tried. Oman is trying right for a very long time. They tried, they tried.

Koshishen jari hai. Somebody will have to come.

Iran will not surrender. We have established that. Now you were saying, now Middle East. I am sure ki aap India mein re ke,

military intelligence pad ke, because you are into weapons and you have served, then you can predict that the Middle East has the power to create chaos. So, the Middle East would be prepared that if I have US bases, then probably there can be attacks here.

So, they would have had some kind of defense system. The US bases in all these countries, because they are not defense manufacturers. All the nations that you mentioned. Kuwait was attacked. Kuwait, forget. These are not. These are US bases.

These bases are there because the US has given them some kind of protection to protect them. So, they have their patriots and thots. Will you say that the US is incapable of giving protection? No, it is not incapable. They are trying to protect. They have given a lot of protection. It is not that Iran has attacked them on their own will.

It is not that they are doing it blindly. They are not doing it blindly. It is again an un-military notion that they can fire anywhere they want. It is hitting the assets and hitting civilian location. To my mind, it is only hitting civil location from where it is getting proper hint. Probably a CIA office or a Mossad office or some kind of.

Any institution like this in a built-up area, any institution like this which is working against them, it is only trying to hit that part and the refineries when they are trying to hit the refinery is to create the economic pressure on everyone. But Iran is attacking hotels in UAE. Probably he has got an intelligence of a high ranking official there or a high ranking meeting happening there.

In a military base, obviously, he will not hold such a meeting at this time. If such a meeting is going to be held, it is going to be in such kind of places. It makes sense that such kind of meetings are happening, such kind of int is coming through different countries to different inter-agencies operating and that is why he is trying to hit those places. And the other thing is,

no matter how smart you make the bomb, there is always a chance of error. Obviously, there are computers, small computer chips inside which can malfunction. It's a bomb. It's working, it is supposed to be smart. But it may not be as smart as we say it is. It can go left, right and it can hit places.

But what did the US provide to the Middle East? Because they have military, they have bases there. So what have they given to…

The jets that we talked about?

Yes.

All the F-16, 35, 15. 35s are there. 16s are there. 18s are there. 15s are there. Okay. They are there with their US bases. They have all of them. Okay. Patriot missile system, which is of air defense, that has been given. What is a Patriot missile system? Again, the same system, air defense system that I talked about.

Like in our Iron Dome. What is THAAD? THAAD is also the same system. But the range of THAAD is different. The range of detection of THAAD is 1000 km. So, it can detect a missile from 1000 km away. It detects a missile 1000 km away.

And it intercepts it somewhere around 600 km. The missiles that get fired from here. It intercepts it around 600 km before.

Okay.

The US and Israel have done something in Iran. That is called black rain. What happened is...

Yes.

What is black rain?

Black rain is nothing. What happens is that they struck the oil refineries and oil depots. Generally, the oil depots where oil was stored. Okay. US… US stuck their oil depots, Iran's oil depots. Because of that, the amount of that fumes and everything that happened because of its burning, it created a cloud and through

which, it was… it got compared to Hiroshima and Nagasaki sort of a thing. The acid rain after nuclear strikes, after nuclear cloud, after nuclear strikes, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Not to that extent, but similar kind of effect is happening. The black rain is like a cloud. So much oil is burning and when it comes out, whatever rain or water falls, it can cause severe damage to human body.

The living beings there are having severe effects. So the living beings in the human body are getting severe effects. So that is being called the black rain. The black clouds of oil that is burning. So that is what is happening. It is called black rain.

And it is a serious health hazard. It is a very dangerous thing. It goes on three stages. First is definitely the skin problem that you have. Second is it

goes to your agricultural land. And in the next three to five years, it increases the number of cancerous cells in your body. And then you end up getting a lot of cancers, different kinds of cancers because of this. So that's why black rain becomes very dangerous. Correct. It is correct. I mean, you can see that even if we are standing in a polluted place where we can feel the smoke of cars, where exactly the concept is not there, where there is no burning,

even the smoke coming out of the combustion, you will start having a headache. A lot of people with sensitive skin and all, they start feeling that allergy and all. Here, there is a fire of millions of tons in the depot and it is continuously burning. So, what happens after a time, it becomes so dense that it doesn't go very high. Then it stops.

It comes to a certain space, 40-50 meters high, and becomes a cloud. And it takes days to actually subside that cloud. It takes time to days to subside. So, because of that, a lot of things go wrong. And what is that material that Israel is using? White phosphorus.

Sorry, Israel is not using the material white phosphorus. Probably it may have. But we will just talk about white phosphorus. What is white phosphorus? White phosphorus is a chemical.

Israel is not using it?

We've heard about Russia using it and Ukraine is what I've heard. Probably Israel may have used it. Okay. No big deal. Look, there is no ban on using white phosphorus. As far as convention goes,

war fighting conventions etc. They say that white phosphorus is not to be used on civilians. So, white phosphorus is a chemical which when reacts with atmospheric oxygen, it produces extreme heat. That heat is capable of burning your bones as well, not the skin and stuff. Your skin is burning, It can burn your bones.

It can put holes in your bones. It produces so much heat. So, it creates an inhumane sort of pain. That's why it is called white phosphorus. Whenever it is used, people rise against it.

It is considered not a war crime. But ethically, it is not supposed to be used. What ethics are we talking right now? Like the word I was reading and I found it amusing ki ek country dusri country pe khulla bomb gira deti hai.

Ek country dusri country ke survival ke upar baat karte hai. Us baare mein wo ek dusri country ke upar bombs gira rahe hain. that talks about survival. They are dropping bombs on each other about that. And millions of civilians are dying because of it. Humanity is suffering. They don't find all these war crimes. They don't find all these crimes.

All this is not dangerous. They find it dangerous that what is the material in the bomb that is dropping? What are we even talking? Cost of war is human lives. In this bad aspect, that people will die, the best way to do it is to at least get an honorable death. This painful, burnt, you don't even die, the skin is burnt. This is the ethics.

If we leave this, then the kind of havoc that can be unleashed and the ways of unleashing it, which is with humankind, is very bad. The chemical weapons, the biological weapons, all these things, what everyone wants is that at least when this war ends, after a month or six months or a year, then it should end after six months.

There should not be any weapon used would not have any effect for the next six years or ten years. So, at least, we should not use these weapons. We always say that the weapons of NBC, CBRN, chemical, biological,

radiological, should not be used. And the war should end in that duration. The number of people who died is a limit. Thousands and lakhs of people At least, this should not be used. And the war should end within that duration. All the people who died, died. Thousands and millions of people die.

But at least, after that, it should not have an impact on millions and crores of people. Do you think US will use mother of all bombs? I saw that in news that they are preparing G-dams, which are kind of... It is the same.

The GBU-57, which is a 13,800 kg bomb, is the mother of all bombs. It's used for bunker busting, actually. 11 to 13 tons per bomb, right? Yeah. 13,800 kg is the weight of the GBU-57. There is a smaller version of it, the GBU-something else, which has got a slightly lower weight. But they can use it if they still feel that it is a bunker settlement.

I said it has penetration. So, any facility which is underground, it is used against that. Generally, it is used against that. The mother of all bombs and the father of all bombs that Russia has, it is generally used for that purpose only. So, there is a chance of it being used if they find a facility and they want to create more destruction to facility specific. GBUs are not used for human kind or against soldiers. They are used to destroy facilities. Simply, like this father of all bombs, which is called a thermobaric bomb

in Russia. This has the same main purpose. Obviously, the working principles are very different. It has a different principle. But the final achievement is that the amount of heat and the amount of overpressure that it creates, it can take down larger buildings, it can take down underground bunkers, to destroy everything. Do you think that US is proving to be an unreliable partner in the world?

Kind of. It's a personal remark. Please don't take it as a… I am not a spokesperson for the organization where I have served. I'll be very categorical. This is my personal view. It is a little difficult. The US is playing hard with everything.

It's not decisive. It's not able to give decisive victories to anyone. So, unreliability increases. And poking your nose into everything, that becomes an issue. But having said that,

it is only US who has the capability of poking his nose anywhere and everywhere. The other superpowers, the so-called superpowers, we will talk about China, very clearly we will talk about China. They also claim to be the competing superpower. Where is China? Where is China? We don't find China anywhere. But then that can be a geopolitical strategy. We'll talk about it. But US, first is A, that you are entering almost everywhere at the same time, back to back, back to back.

Second, you attack the person who negotiates with you. Third, you are very unreliable. You can enter any country and take anything. So you are setting a different example. You are not following international law, you are not following international bodies, etc. You don't believe in anyone. Then, the countries you said you will save, you are not even able to save those countries. Completely.

If you are saying that these Middle East countries... Everybody knew that. So, I will use one word and say that we are not able to save them completely. Everybody knew that the US will are not able to save the US. Completely. Everybody knew that the US will not be able to save the US. Taking them down completely will not be right.

My point is that if I am a country and my country is based on the fact that we are the safest, we are good, we are nice, there is a different thing. I have made a friendship with everyone. I don't fight much, I don't fight much. And if something happens, I spend thousands, crores, lakhs of dollars and give it to the US to save me.

Because you have the world's most advanced air system and defense system and everything. And when once in a blue moon, for the first time in my life, when I was attacked in the decades. Now you are incapable and civilians are killed from my side. So, then it's an unreliable partner. I would call it an unreliable defense system at some point.

You call it an unreliable partner because I have no qualms calling them an unreliable partner. I will also call them unreliable partners. A little objectivity in this is that the military is coming, it's simple, that to a large extent, people know that this much attack will come on us, we will be able to stop this much. And to a large extent, their systems have stopped it. It's not that the whole flavor is not like that.

And the narrative at the end, you know, when it's pulled to rest, the narrative at the end, when it pulled to rest, they will sell their weapons because they will say that all the people who survived are because of them. If there is any news about any weapon platform, it is to protect the company, it is to protect the economics, to protect the defense industry. They sold it in the name of protecting you.

That's when people bought billions of dollars worth of goods from you. So, they were on this narrative. On this narrative, Pakistan lied so much, the world lied so much that Rafale fell in Operation Sindoor. They made it a point. They wanted to prove it that Rafale fell, fell, fell. Nothing could be done.

That's why.

Okay.

So, now coming back to this. You said Iran attacked the Middle East. Why isn't the Middle East responding? The Middle East is trying to. But they don't want to get engulfed into a regional war. Everyone understands this.

If it gets converted into a regional war, it will be a regional war. So, everyone understands this. If it is converted into a regional war, then it will be a bigger loss. Now, the minor punishment, absorbing it and using the dialogue, is better. But the infrastructure of the civilians is getting damaged.

Those things are nothing. We think those numbers are big just care about the numbers. But if the conflict becomes regional, then the number will be huge. But because there are no democracies, people can't even question you.

Because what happened in... Correct.

If you look at our case, before Operation Sindoor, the media and people, so much noise was made by the media, so much noise was made by the people, that somewhere, giving a very loud answer became a kind of a mandate. Because it would have costed us something else. Right?

That the sentiment of the internal people would have been up and down if we had given the answer of Uri. It was also... It was some pressure. This was a very big pressure.

Yes.

We can easily contest that. Whether they did it under that pressure or not. I know the answer that they didn't do it under pressure. But the pressure was immense.

Yes.

I am not saying whether they did it under pressure or not. That way you are correct. Yes, there is did it under pressure. I am just saying that if you don't answer quickly, then the pressure develops. The trust of the citizens and civilians in the country on their leadership is up and down. So, right now, this leadership has proved so many times that even if we stay quiet, we make sure that we strategically take our revenge and we avenge everything.

Right?

But at that time, it was because it was blown out of proportion.

It's a lot of pressure.

It's democracy. People are saying. So, there will be pressure. So, there will be no pressure on those people. There will be no pressure on those people. Anyway, they understand that fighting for them, the general public also understands that

fighting and regional conflict will be a huge loss. The amount of losses that they will have to bear will be huge. Small buildings getting hit or loss of platforms or loss of life is acceptable, getting indulged into regional warfare. Got it. Now, coming back, you said that Iran has a nuclear bomb which is publicly available,

that is Strait of Hormuz. Yes, absolutely. Why do you say so? Obviously, it's a more strategic bomb that they have. It is any day better than having an actual physical nuclear bomb. Then having something like a Strait of Hormuz, where you are actually not dropping a bomb on anyone

and killing people, but you're killing the global economy. It's the way they're utilizing it. Iran never has to use a bomb to shut down the state of Hormuz. They just have to say that the state of Hormuz is shut down and will hit. Whatever the situation is.

Just their saying. It increases the shipping cost, insurance cost, and all these things so much that it actually fluctuates the markets so much that the amount of global pressure that develops on their adversary is reduced to that extent. After that, when they actually start hitting, how much loss is there?

20% of the entire global crude oil flows through the state of Hormuz. If it's closed for a year, it causes trillions of dollars in losses. Billions of dollars go in crude oil every day. Now, where do the insurance costs go? The insurance costs of thousands are now in crores.

So, there is a difference of $20,000 in insurance costs and $500,000 right now. So, it increases in this way. So, a lot of small economies are going to be very hungry. They are going to be massive implications and cost because of this energy crisis, oil crisis and the small economies. China is the enough to economically plus it can sustain itself economically. But these other places like Bangladesh,

these are the places where China wants to create its influence, there is a problem for them.

Because they will not be able to afford expensive oil.

Because half of the countries are already living on loans,

either from China or from international banks.

So what are they going to do? What is China doing to save them? China is not doing anything to save them. Isn't it a clear sign? China has always given clear signs. That friendship with China is foolish and meaningless. There's no protection from here. China is like the old days,

where people were given money on interest. It behaves like that. But it doesn't betray anyone. Good or bad, it's an adversary. It's not a friendly country in Indian context. But it's not like a dead trap. It's not a friendly country in Indian context. But there is nothing like a dead trap.

And if it's hidden for you, then that means economically if you don't have a brain, then you are also worthy of it. So, it's very simple. Because normal people are not talking there. Your government is talking. Your ministries are talking.

Even after that, if you are getting into dead traps, then you are not understanding, then you wanted it. But have you seen at the time of crisis all around the world, best friend is India for everyone. Absolutely. Whenever there's crisis, whether it's Russia crisis with the rest of the world,

India supported them. It's crisis of smaller African countries at the time of medicine supplies, we support them. It's crisis in our neighborhood countries for the earthquake and natural disasters, we support them. It's crisis for defense and we are always there to support them.

Now we are doing it with press, lot of our defense exports. It's crisis around Israel and the world, we still support. So wherever India has shown friendship, we've always stood again and again and again. We've been the most reliable friends for the entire world. Whether it's a small country in Africa, which may not be of any use to us, for them also we stand. And someone who's like a really a big superpower. You must name United States. We are how we are helping United States right now.

We are helping United States. United States said that we are permitting India to take Russian oil for 30 days. I just wanted to clarify the words. United States begged India. The word was not permit. It was begged. It is called begging on your knees. They begged India to buy Russian oil or the market

will completely collapse. India did this earlier also when it was taking oil from Russia. Even then we were stabilizing the global markets. We will take whatever we want to take, from wherever we want to take, we will keep doing it, we are strategically autonomous, we have clearly stated every time. We do our calculations, people can say anything on social media, we do our calculations, we do what we want, they begged and the anonymity that we have we accepted.

Now let's see, now Russians are saying that we are going to go into markets with our oil who are forthcoming and who we see as our long-term partners. In some date they said somewhere in middle of April we may stop giving our oil and natural gas to European countries is what they said. The world order again collapses. These are the kind of foreign policy and static decisions that big countries and who has countries take.

You are saying that we will shut down the European Union. If you convert it, it says that Europe should shut the door on our face. Before that, we will shut the door and we will give it to people. Now there is no oil. Now the oil from Qatar Bahrain, which used to go to LNG, will also be shut down. Now there is no oil. Now the oil from Qatar Bahrain, the LNG that used to go, that has also been shut down. They have also shut down their plants. Iran is not letting oil go from the state and not letting oil go from me. Now the source of oil, the biggest supplier is Russia.

The US says to India, take oil from Russia so that the market is stable. Russia says, I will not give it to European nations. Come 15th of April or some date that they mentioned that I will shut them down completely. And it was Putin who was talking in a conference he said that please find out the feasibility of stopping the flow of LNG and oil towards European nations before they shut the door on our face. We will shut the door and we will see partners which are in long term. India, the Southeastern countries. Let's sell there. China, let's sell to them. But you know, the sanction, US sanctions that were there on Russia, they have to be lifted

because of the Iran war. So, there was so much noise that India is funding the Ukraine war, while the Europeans were taking all the natural gas from Russia and actually funding the Ukraine war, while the Europeans were taking all the natural gas from Russia and actually funding the Ukraine war. Now they are ready to take sanctions. They have already taken the sanctions for oil. The EU was buying everything till date?

All the natural gas requirements come from the same pipelines that come from Russia. So, they are buying from there. We were not buying anything. We were saying very simply cheaper option is the one. You can make Venezuela cheaper. You imposed sanctions on Venezuela.

It became expensive. You didn't let us buy from there. You imposed sanctions on Iran. Iran became expensive. You didn't let us buy from there. Russia was selling cheaper.

Now you are saying that we won't buy from Russia. So, we calculated. Backchannel is a lot of calculation. If I am buying oil expensive oil, I will get something cheaper. So, I will buy it cheap and offset my losses. Finally, we will do whatever we want for our people. We don't have to listen to anyone.

So many things happened. When the Iranian ship was attacked in the Indian Ocean, it caused a lot of commotion. There was a ship called the Iranian ship Iris Dana. It had come to India for some event. It had come to India. India for some event it had come to India.

India is coming, everything happens in India. It leaves India. They never requested India to let us port here. Never port requested for this permission. It comes out of the territorial waters of India. It comes out of India's exclusive economic zone. It gets struck by a torpedo of the US. And it sinks. And with that, it sinks about 80-90 people, sailors of theirs. They also die.

It's the cost of war. Human life is the cost of war. People are making noise that India won't do anything. Why would it do anything? It's a war. It's not my economic zone.

It's the my economic zone. It's Indian Ocean. Indian Ocean is 70 million square kilometers. 70 million square kilometers is Indian Ocean. It's not mine. It's not India's Ocean. It's a war. It's a war. It's a frigate. Frigates are used as a war machinery. You can't say that it was my frigate, but it didn't have an armed soldier. It didn't have this. So, India didn't have to do anything. It seems harsh at times.

But to run such a big country, harsh decisions have to be taken. So, we have to do what we have to. So, in the larger picture, all these things happen. In that, the country has to understand

that yes, things can seem harsh. But for the benefit of the country, harsh decisions have to be made.

True.

There's one thing I want to ask. Because we were talking about Russia. Do you think Russia will be the biggest winner in this entire war? I feel so. It's happening. It's happening, right? I was reading a stat that if every 10 dollars oil price is increasing, if it increases by 10 dollars, then the Russian economy earns a profit of 15 billion dollars on an everyday

basis.

You must, numbers, obviously, I have not read the numbers, but it is very clear. I'll quote it exact thing so that I also get it right. So, I'll do this section again. There's a paper I was reading, Russia will be the biggest winner of the whole war and it's already happening because every $10 increase in oil prices adds up approximately $15 billion annually to Russia's revenue at current prices. So it's, imagine, the oil is getting more expensive and the price of oil is increasing

very fast. Russia is technically winning the war. So Russia doesn't want to stop it or wants to escalate it more. Because the amount of damage they have suffered from the sanctions, they won't go into a budget deficit. They will keep funding themselves. This was the problem of starting this war.

And this is the problem. When you wage war in two places. Remember, we said that nobody wants to get indulged on two fronts. Whether it is war front, economic front or any other front. But two wars of any kind, no one wants to fight. Now two wars are automatically ready for the US.

So, somebody had to win. And they have to lift these sanctions. They have to request countries to buy Russian oil. They have to say it themselves. And the war is ongoing. Nobody should forget that the Russian-Ukraine war is ongoing.

And the Russians… Even today, people are losing their lives. Yes, absolutely. Everything is happening the same way there. Media may not cover it. Media only wants to cover the most sensational news. That's what the media wants to cover. So, what is happening there is happening. And now, this war will continue for a month or two, so the amount of money that these people are going to make. And to reverse these sanctions of Russia, it will take them so long that they will have made so much money again that they will be able to stabilize themselves.

And ethically also, Russians are not ethically wrong in that war as well. If we go into a deeper explanation of that war, if I give a geographical explanation, it is a two-line explanation of Russia. Russia needs to have a buffer state. This is a Russian geographical problem. From Europe to Russia,

as long as you reach, there is nothing in between. There are only planes. A rolling stone also reaches Russia if There is nothing in between. There are only planes. A rolling stone also reaches Russia if it is thrown from Europe. Russia is not asking anything from anyone. It is saying a very simple thing. Don't be part of NATO. Give me the buffer state I want. So, that's it. Now people can

take it or not. Our sovereignty is in danger. Our freedom is in danger. But as a friendly country, Russia is supporting us. I am telling you clearly, geographically, that this is a big problem. But he is saying that the other side, Ukraine, is in danger. Russia will slowly enter. They have asked for a buffer state. They don't want to go beyond that.

Now that the war has started, they have taken Donets US did to Russia, Russia is doing the same to US right now. If there was no American support. The Americans have almost stopped supporting. EU supports. EU-American support. The support of the lobby. It is called NATO. Western country support. Western country support. NATO supports.

If there was no NATO support, this war would not have gone on for so long. Probably, so many areas would not have been annexed.

Yes.

Some other way would have been found. Probably, some dialogue would have been found. Okay. But there was no dialogue because such great induction of weaponry, everything. So, they are paying back in kind. They have only not given their platforms to them. But please understand that Shaheed drone that is doing so much destruction against the US

and Israel, is mass manufactured in Moscow, not in Iran. So, this is also a point.

All the drones of Iran are mass manufacturing in Moscow, not in Iran. So, this is also a point. So, all the drones of Iran are being mass manufactured in Russia?

They are being manufactured now or not, but the inventory they have is all made in Moscow. Moscow has helped them at that time. It is not doing it during the war, but let's assume it is not doing it now. It is not sending its big ships, whatever it is. But Russia has just said that they will support Iran. They are supporting Iran.

They have said that Iran is a friendly country. We will support them. They are also saying the same thing. Like NATO is not putting boots on ground in Ukraine. They are also not putting boots on ground. And they are denying the thing that we are not giving them a platform.

But the platform they are giving is tactics to use drones. They have given so much before mass production. Probably KGB and Intel are also going to them. Intel is going to them 100%. They are paying back in kind. If they take it further, they were preparing to drop GBU-57. It is a recent one. They are preparing to drop all those bombs on Iran. Until and unless it is non-nuclear, which will remain non-nuclear, it is not going to go nuclear.

But then don't you see other parties who have started to offer help, nuclear help also. North Korea said we fully support the new regime that is there. We support his rise as the supreme leader of Iran. And the instatement of that. What is North Korea's role in this? North Korea's role is simple. It is all geopolitics.

It is all about the same. North Korea has said that it supports him. I support him. I am a supporter of the regime. Because their enemy is the US. So, what did he say?

They are ready to... How difficult it is for North Korea? There are so many stories about Iran wanting to keep it non-nuclear. How difficult it is for Iran to buy a nuclear from one of these nuclear countries? Russia. Russia or North Korea or anyone. North Korea has offered one of the missiles, their ICBM.

It has been offered to them. Will they give it to them? How difficult is that? It is not very difficult. So, these things can increase, but as long as it is non-nuclear, people will not want to get into it. Just to avoid the big picture of World War 3, so generally everyone is refraining because it is going to destroy the entire world. Do you think it will happen? think? World War 3? No, not right now. It is kind of there, but not right now. I don't

feel right now. But it is if you look at right now, those superpowers are fighting, some sort Russia versus USA, in small small bits. To my mind, I feel that this is going to happen now that the amount of economic pressure the world will face, people are going to come in and they are going to calm these people down and both the parties are going to claim victory. And it will take a lot of money to make Iran and it will take time for Israel and the US

to set up again. The world will face some sort of economic pressure anyway now. If it stops, then also. It should stop somehow. Now the world powers must tell them to stop. Because the effects are coming.

Markets are going down. Pressure is being felt. You mentioned about the countries like Pakistan and all. There is fuel. fuel is something. I mean, fuel is not just fuel. Everything is made of fuel.

Everything gets costly.

Energy.

I mean, from electricity to everything. Inflation rate is about to increase by 1-2% globally. So, that's it. Do you think the US miscalculated Iran's power? Absolutely. The will.

They underestimated it. More than the power, the will to fight. I underestimated that a lot. Why did you do it? Why did it happen? You said something outside that you knew from the beginning that nothing would happen.

What was it?

The miscalculation comes from a single man's ego is what I feel. It feels more like it's a person's ego. They thought they'll be able to do it. After Venezuela, they kind of become too arrogant. They felt it'll be easy. Iran would be easy. But nothing happened.

But it didn't happen because they didn't understand. They didn't read it carefully. Well, that's why I'm saying, yes, weapon-wise, obviously, Iran cannot beat the US. It's the bottom line. They cannot beat it. If they want to decimate it, they will keep pounding it. They can do it. But,

there is another bottom line. The bottom line is that even after doing all that, they are not surrendering. So, you have to have a little objective clarity. The objectives of war should be clear. Like what happened in Operation Sindoor. Operation Sindoor got over in four days. After four days, there was a lot of pressure. Again, why did you finish it so soon?

We had the chance to take POK and we could do that. This is the best thing that we could have done. Because termination of war is the most difficult aspect. Everybody wants to end it somehow. But now we don't understand. Because what is the problem in termination of war? If you are winning, you think you can win a little more. If you are losing, it comes on the ego. Any which way it becomes very difficult and there is a lot of pressure to terminate a war. India was decimating Pakistan.

Nine bases gone, air bases hit wherever they wanted. They were hitting inside, outside. Poor fleet was waiting to hit Karachi. Everything was in place. They could have hit. But terminating the war, because the objectives of war cannot be shifted like goalpost shifting. We had decided certain things. We had to achieve those things. We were good enough to achieve them in four days. So, we only fought for four days. And we terminated. So, us cheez ke liye jo military leadership hai uski bahut bawaayi honi chahiye ki aapne desh ko parishan nahi kara hai isse aage. of war, the people of the border areas were fed up.

And now we are not able to do it.

Going back to country China. What is China doing in this?

China is trying to avoid this global recession from affecting it.

It is trying to save itself from this pressure. So, he is still maintaining his relationship with Iran.

Iran always knew that China will not provide military help. We do not have the requirement of China's military help. We want a lot of diplomatic support from China, open diplomatic support from China, which the Chinese are giving them. And in return, whatever China does, it takes its revenge. In return, its vessels are still coming out of the Strait of Hormuz. Chinese vessels are still able to come out of the Strait of Hormuz. This is what China is doing. In backdoor diplomacy, he is openly supporting Iran. That this problem shouldn't come to him. His oil should not stop.

He cannot do that economically. Because this is not the right time when they can claim to be the superpower. They are on the way to becoming a superpower. He doesn't let the hurdles come. He never lets his economy get affected. And it is happening.

The economy is slowing down. The demography is getting older. So, he has lets his economy get affected. And it is happening. The economy is slowing down. The demography is getting older. So, he has a lot of problems. His Taiwan is pending. He has to fight a war in Taiwan. His doctrine says that they have to take Taiwan in 2027.

So, they understand how difficult it is going to be to take Taiwan. But Trump showed a blueprint, right? That do as you do from Venezuela in Taiwan. Everybody has a blueprint, right? That do as you do with Venezuela, in the same way you do with Taiwan. Everybody has a blueprint ready. But Taiwan is also not going to be a Venezuela. The comparison between Venezuela-Iran or Venezuela-Taiwan is fundamentally wrong.

Why?

It is fundamentally wrong that Taiwan is preparing for war. Venezuela was never preparing for war. They used to sell oil. And the things I told you were limited to that. Taiwan is building up to fight a war. And it has got allies who are going to support them.

Japan is going to come in. US is going to come in. Probably a window will open up for India to do something. Take something. When Chinese are engaged. We may take something which is long pending.

We also have our war objectives. They are also preparing. We also will find a window where if the world is so disturbed and everybody is attacking somebody, then some legitimate war. We also have to fight. We have legitimacy. We have proper areas. These are going to be the times when we have to also take something back.

So, it is not. Everybody is realizing this thing with these wars. That in conventional warfare, it is impossible to defeat in today's date. Very difficult. Strategic warfare is the way forward. date. The way we are building up our arsenal, Indian ballistic missile program which is at Agni 5 has been launched and called an IRBM. Agni 6 is almost ready. And Agni 6's range is going to be somewhere in the in excess of 10,000 kilometers. So we have nuclear strategic nuclear deterrence.

We are increasing our range. We've got the triad is there. ASAT is there. Compare India versus China to me in defense. Because first of all, let's talk about Chinese weapons right now. Why are Chinese weapons failing everywhere?

Chinese weapons. Weapons, defense system. Here in Iran, super failure. In Pakistan, super failure. Always been this, that Chinese technology is very good, but a certain amount of doubt about it, whether it is small household or military equipment, has always been there. But that cannot be factored in when we go militarily against them.

Now, how much they sell to whom, and what quality they sell, and what quality they use. It's a debatable point. Are they of the same quality? The J-10s that they give to Pakistan are not the same J10s that they use for themselves.

They sell the worst things to Pakistan. Yes, you have to see how much difference there is between what they sell and what they use.

Do you think there's a difference?

100%. There has to be difference. Whatever they sell and whatever they have. Because it is Chinese philosophy that whatever you ask them, they have everything available. They can give you anything by making it. So, whatever money you give them, you will give them whatever you ask them and whatever you ask them, they will make it and give it to you. Probably they may not do the same thing for them. But do you think that's a deliberate strategy of all countries. Nobody gives their best.

The best of the technology is never given. The holy grail of technology is the jet engine. It is called the holy grail of technology. There is nothing greater than that. The one who can make a jet engine can make anything in the world. Obviously, when jet engines are sold, they are not the same as the ones from that country.

Be it an F-35 US given to Israel or anyone, which is so close and supports it so much, even then the F-35 that the US Army uses, that F-35, Israel will not get. So, India will not get it 100%. So, you always are one step down, two step down. Russians and Indians, they want to joint manufacture it. But joint manufacturing, the Russians who will manufacture it there, it cannot be the same in India. It will not.

It cannot happen. It's a suicide. I mean, you gave this technology. The one who gave the jet engine, he gave everything. After that, there is nothing that you cannot make.

True.

So, it's a deliberate thing that you give less. But isn't it an opportunity for China to show the world that Pakistan is so superior to them, or at least they could have fought with India, or they could have fought with Iran. It's very inferior. Then it's a sign in the world that you can't rely on their weapons and their defense system. It's a hit and the adversaries take advantage of it because the news is also amplified. And amplified means we are also discussing and we are also on the same lines.

And it has benefited us. It has benefited us, yes, obviously. If your system is not working properly, and if your system is not working properly, then you face economic pressure. Because this is also an industry that

brings in those dollars to the country. So, it does make a difference. See, we use Brahmos. First, explain to me about the Brahmos missile. And why the whole world is ready to buy it from

India and so many orders are coming that we probably don't have the capacity to make. Brahmos after its performance in AAP Sindhur. So Brahmos is a supersonic cruise missile. Very briefly we'll just cover the sonic thing. Subsonic is just less than Mach 1. I told you about Mach 1.

Okay.

Mach 1.2.

Supersonic.

Then comes hypersonic which are above Mach 5. So, in 1 to 5, you have supersonics. It's supersonic with a speed of approximately 3 Machs. It's a supersonic cruise. The second word is cruise. What are cruise missiles? Cruise missiles are generally like aircraft. Let's say there is a pilotless aircraft.

It's like that. It has a jet engine. It has a jet engine. It has a low altitude. It has a terrain hugging feature. It keeps moving along the terrain. This is the kind of guidance it has. Plus, generally, other than the GPS and GLONASS, which are our GPS systems, navigation systems, it has INS, Inertial Navigation System.

What is Inertial Navigation System? It is a brain in the device itself. It calculates, it has two or three components. It calculates acceleration. Then there is a gyroscope, which calculates orientation.

And because of these things, we always have data of where we are at this time from our launching space.

Okay.

So, in case of GPS-denied environments, where GPS is denied and your navigation is broken, so you have an internal navigation calculation. Your accelerometer is giving you the speed on the X, Y, Z axis. And your orientation direction is giving you the gyroscope. So, you...

You will hit the target even after that without GPS. When your in-route is jammed, you are in a GPS-denied environment, you don't have GPS or GLONASS, whatever is running on it, whatever is your navigation system, but INS will always be functional.

So, INS will take you to the target. So, the target hitting of this thing, our BrahMos, was in centimeters. It was in accuracy. So, generally, meter is also a very big thing.

Because it has a range of 450 to 500 kilometers. So, you're hitting a target which is in centimeters. It is so accurate. So, that was proven in one of the facilities that was hit in Pakistan. I'm forgetting the name of one of the hangars that was hit in Pakistan. I'm forgetting the name of one of the hangars that was hit. There was a vent there. It was a small AC vent. The missile went inside that AC vent and hit

that hangar. So, that is the kind of accuracy it has. And it's not just once, it's done every time. So, that is the reason. And it has. And it's not just once, it's doing it every time. So that is the reason. And it's low cost. Russian and… They make it together. And then it can be launched from multiple places.

BrahMos, it's land, air… It has the capability of land, air, sea. It can do it from anywhere. You can do it from anywhere. Do you think that… Ukraine war set a new example in the world that a small drone of 500 dollars can destroy a tank of 5 million dollars. And Iran is doing the same.

A small drone of a few lakhs can destroy systems worth crores of rupees. So now the wars of future, all the traditional, large-scale weapons and defense systems and tanks, all these conventional ways of war, in which you show the full military might,

have become obsolete.

They are not as powerful as they used to be. Because now, a swarm of drones can just finish everything. So, the costly platforms, the expensive platforms, the advanced platforms, they will have an advantage. It is more shifting towards deterrence. I will have an ICBM made. I'll have a nuclear intercontinental ballistic missile made so that people realize that if

we go against them, this is also they have. And they can fire it. So, that has become very important for deterrence. But asymmetric warfare has played a very important role in warfighting machinery, asymmetric warfare has played a huge role. The cyber, the AI, the drones, the low cost, all these things have had a huge impact. It saves you a lot of stuff.

It saves you people, it saves you life. Before people die, what my human beings had to do, my drones were not millions, but thousands. To an extent, we are talking in Indian rupees. Drones of this size are capable of carrying weight and carrying munition, and which can hit and cause a limited damage. That limited damage in a war, where time is at premium, is a major achievement.

So, all these things are happening because of this. Asymmetric warfare is happening. We are moving towards AI. In war, AI has played such a big role in the military. Platforms are using AI to capture almost every kind of data. They are mapping the terrain or human resource with it.

And it is affecting cyber warfare. Like, talk about perception and narrative warfare on social media. It is such a big deal.

Yeah.

The entire nation, all these color revolutions, they call it a color revolution, the CIA is doing all these things. It did a color revolution in Nepal, it did it in Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, everywhere.

These are all color revolutions. All this is done by the CIA? All this is's color revolution. They tried a color revolution in Iran but they failed. What is a color revolution? It's a generic term used when you want to change a regime by creating political unrest.

So, social media is a big tool for political unrest. You can do anything by spreading it in the air in the name of Zenzi protest. You can name it whatever you want to call it. You can name it whatever you want to name it. A lot of money got pumped into Venezuela. Half of Venezuela is bought by CIA before they did the operation that they did. So, these are all color revolutions which are done for regime change.

You feel Bangladesh, Nepal, Venezuela, all are doing CIE? Yes, obviously. I feel so personally. What's their incentive in Bangladesh and CIE? Bangladesh and Nepal. When you... See, what is the meaning of doing a color revolution?

It's not just about changing the regime. It's not the objective. Changing the regime and bringing the government in in your favor is the whole thing. Finally, so that the political, economic, or any other decision aligns with your thought process. So, when this kind of revolution happens,

for instance, if we consider Iran as a US-dominated, and an aligned government with the US, then you see that they have the state of Hormuz in their control. They have so much oil in their control. Middle East, Central Asia, whatever it is, they have it under their control.

As such, geographically, the US is so far away from everything that it has always been safe. That is why they have prospered. It comes from geography. The Americans are all the same. No one reaches there.

It's pacific in the middle. There is a huge gap. No one fights a big battle. So, it's always safe. The internal that has been connected with rivers. So, there is no issue of transport.

There is never no problem. So, they have prospered because of the geography. Now, outside of that geography, maritime is a superpower. It has the sea from everywhere. It has so many routes. It has everything. That is why he is poking his finger everywhere. The rest are stuck.

China doesn't have a maritime. It has no maritime. Okay? So, they understand simple things. China has no way out. As soon as China goes out, the population density of China is towards the eastern part of it. The western part of China is very inhabitable.

It has a very difficult terrain. Mountains, deserts, everything is in the west. It's all in the east. Taiwan is in the east. As soon as China goes out to the sea, Taiwan stands in front. Japan stands in front.

Its islands stand in front of him. Japan stands in front of him. His islands stand in front of him. He has no way. He is not an aggressor in conventional terms. He doesn't have a fight. He says he wants to win Taiwan because the day he wins Taiwan, when Taiwan becomes part of mainland China,

the sea opens up for him. Now there is no obstacle in between. Today there is an obstacle in his path, which is called Taiwan. The day they win it, the US did not have that obstacle. So, what does the US do? I have nothing. I am prospering.

I am not going to have any such attack. People will not reach me. Their ICBMs are not going to reach me. Their nuclear weapons are not reaching me. So, I will have bases everywhere in And I'll try and control whatever maximum I can control. And as soon as you put it in that area, which is the Western Hemisphere,

which is the part of Mexico, Mexico, Brazil, Brazil, you try to have your influence there in any way. So, see how badly they react. You saw the Chinese influence in Venezuela. And they captured the president. Monroe's doctrine,

it gets activated immediately that if anybody tries to meddle in the western hemisphere, their area of influence, if anyone tries to do power, they respond militarily. They never respond diplomatically.

Straight up.

So, they follow Monroe's doctrine and and follow that here, there is no military action at all. We will have small bases and we will try. Why do you have a problem if another superpower does the same kind of action somewhere else? There is no superpower in their conventional sense. Apart from America. Because apart from America, there is no superpower and they will not let anybody be a superpower.

So, they are realizing that we were slightly soft, and that is why China could gain a certain amount of ground. But as they made a statement a few days ago, that we will not let that happen with India. Okay? So, it is there.

This is the problem. They thought that it is there. That's why they are creating unrest around India. There was no ambiguity about the number of superpowers. But today, that ambiguity has an ambiguity because of China. There is that confusion that are these the second superpowers?

Can they challenge American dominance? So, that's why they do it.

Do you think they can?

China right now cannot.

Not right now.

If they say that they are not able to defeat Iran, then will we be able to defeat China? Then the answer will be that it will be a stalemate. There will be a stalemate in such cases.

But it's a China and US's chicken and egg problem. That he wants this, she wants that. Who will come first, who will do it first, who will do what. It will last for a long time, unless more of them come. We were talking about China versus India. Tell me from three fronts, what are the strengths of China and India in defense systems? In air assets, in weapons. Can India survive China?

Oh yes, yes. Iran is surviving. US, India. India will decimate half of China if it comes to that. Agni-5 also covers almost all of China. We can hit nuclear anywhere in China, wherever we want.

China can't do anything to us.

It will do the same.

But it's not that they can't do a one-sided war. The situation that Israel and the US have created for Iran, China cannot do that to us. No one in India can do that. Not even the US. Because our defense system is very strong. Our defense system is very strong.

It's not like it's increasing. If we get more air assets, we'll be at power. These procurements are coming in. It's taking time. It's obvious that it will take 5-10 years. But a lot of things are happening.

There are many ways to raise the stakes.

So, who will be their enemies? Who are China border enemies?

There are no allies of China. There are no enemies militarily. But who will support them openly? But this is the question. Japan and China. Our adversaries. So, there are two very big issues that they have. They don't have anybody who can support them militarily. So, this is a big issue for them.

So, they can't vacate the fronts of those two places.

No, they can never vacate their front. Nobody is going to attack them, but they cannot still…

They can't get their induction out of there.

They can never vacate their fronts in a war. That will be a deployment. And where will they get the labor after doing it? And we have two, one is larger enemy, the other is a smaller enemy.

That's it. There are two enemies.

There are two enemies. We've got the point five front, which is inside us. We call it, right? Nowadays we call it 2.5 and 3.5 front. One front is China. One front is Pakistan.

Third front opened up with Bangladesh. We don't count it as much. But the 0.5 front which is sitting inside the country. Which keeps pulling our country down. That is the most difficult front. The rest is front hand.

Who are the 0.5 front? Us. That is the most difficult front. The rest is front hand. Who is the point five front? Us. The normal people who will spread misinformation, who will pull the government down, who will ask wrong questions at the wrong time, the media, the noise will be there.

Who will not let the country unite. Who will not let the country unite even at that time. It's a doctrine proper. 2.5 front was a doctrine given by General Vipin Rawat. He had spoken about it. After that, work is being done on it properly.

3.5 front, we are saying it like this because of Bangladesh. But 2.5 front is a doctrine given by General Rawat. He is a CDS. He has clearly stated it. It's a thing which happens every time. As soon as you start fighting, there will be so much noise that why did you do this,

why did you do that, why didn't you do this, why didn't you do that. This could have happened. Why do they do that? Funded. They are funded. Majority of people who speaks against a country, who speaks against the country,

there is nothing other than money that can make you speak against the country. You are funded. Either you want power or you want money. So, one of the two things. So, generally, what does a hungry person want? He wants money. And if he already has money, he wants fame. He wants power. So, only two things can make you do. Do you think Trump will win? What's next for Trump? He has to find a way to declare victory in this war and use the entire media that is at his disposal.

To tell him, to put all the pressure on him, that the media should finally prove him that they won the war. So that's why a little more destruction and they will have to limit the economic damage to other countries. So, that also has to be done. But overall, sentiment narrative all around the world.

People don't like him. So, people will always believe that even if he had won, he would have lost. Yes, like people are accepting that he is losing. Until and unless he changes the regime, now united. But public against the regime was against its own people, they were against the regime. Now they have this country versus.

Now Iran has surrendered. Now people are talking about Iran surrendering, not the regime surrendering. So, as the civilizational people think that they come to national pride, their ego gets hurt, then there is no surrender option for them in national pride. So, now all the people who are coming on the streets are in support of the regime. Now they will support the regime only.

That's why it was said that to change the regime, boots on the ground. So, for the purpose for which he did all this, he got defeated? Yes, this purpose got defeated. The biggest purpose got defeated. He wanted to change the regime, so he left. He wanted to stop nuclear, so he gave more reasons to make nuclear. the in Israel will find solace in this thing. At least, they will delay the nuclear plan for a long time.

They will think about this. And maybe they will achieve this. They will delay the nuclear plan. Do you really feel that nuclear will be delayed? If the facilities are so damaged, then obviously, the delay will be a lot. Because it will take time to make the facilities.

And will they be faster now? They will want to make the facilities faster. You really feel nuclear will be delayed? If the facility is so damaged, then obviously it will be delayed. Because it will take time to make the facilities. And will they be faster now? They will want to be faster, but the physical restrictions will be there. Now you feel like making it fast.

Now I don't have it. My centrifuges are damaged. My facilities are struck by bigger bombs. I have no interest union, but I don't have the devices to make them. So, that kind of a delay is there. And then, should we make a nuclear bomb or a country?

That will also be an option. They have to build up their buildings and get the civilian infrastructure built up. They should make missiles that will be completely depleted. They have completely destroyed? Israel and US completely… No, it cannot be completely. A lot of destruction.

Completely, I meant…

A lot of destruction, yes. But still the problem remains is that even after so much destruction, we do not know where it is actually. Iran is not a smallish place. We discussed its terrain. If you are underground in that terrain, and if you have stored a little bit, they say they have about 10,000 kgs, 9,800 kgs of enriched

uranium. Out of which around 500, 450, 500 kg is enriched to about 60%, which can be used to make a dirty bomb very quickly. Not a nuclear bomb, but a dirty bomb. So, if it is there and how much is stored, where is it stored, we don't know. Who knows if it is there or not? Who knows if it comes from another country? There are a lot of permutation combinations that have become speculative at this time. So, we can't say. But the point that is and from Israel's side, they also have so much intelligence.

So, they must be knowing that, yes, we have cut and obviously, how many tons of, how many tons of bombs they have dropped on it, so obviously damage is there. And they are not randomly hitting, no one randomly hits such an expensive thing. Bombs are falling for crores of rupees. So obviously, they are doing it for intelligence and satellite. How is Iran funding it? The war?

Yes. How is it coming to them? Like what I read that Iran's one of the army officers, his son runs one of the largest oil companies and fleeting companies in the world through a different island. And then, they take all the untrackable ships from there, the ships of Iran, they mix the oil of Iran and Iraq and then all around the world, they sell it in their subsidiaries. The subsidiaries are in many different countries. So, it's a loophole that they've figured out and it's very fun to do this.

I am forgetting the island's name because it was in news because the US wants to hit specifically that island to stop this. Exactly. But it's happening, right? Obviously, the smuggling part, you call it smuggling only. Yes, they smuggle from other countries because Iran has sanctions that they can't sell their oil to anyone. So, on that island, they mix Iran's oil with other oil. Yes, they do it. They want to hit it as well.

So, there are ways and means to it. And then there is always the crypto is another part which is utilized in such transactions. So, they are very active with the crypto transactions. Then they are engaged with two major nations, Russia and I cannot specifically pinpoint but when you are engaged with such people who are already, Russians are also facing a lot of sanctions. So, obviously, you find ways and a lot of black marketing type. So that thing happened. And you are controlling the pathways.

So obviously it becomes slightly easier for you to control such kind of transactions. Obviously, it is the only way that they can do. Oil is the only way actually Iran can earn money.

True.

So tell me one last thing. These are some pictures that you have brought. What are these? Explain to me what tools are these, what weapons are these, large scale. So we'll start with. So we'll start here with the formation first.

It's a strike group formation. Okay. Okay. Now what happens in this is that the aircraft carrier is the biggest part of the strike group formation. As the name specifies, it is the job of the aircraft carrier to carry the aircraft.

So basically, it is a base that runs on water. It is a base in which 50 to 60 to 70 aircraft on it.

Okay.

So, in the picture, this is Gerald Ford. This is the world's largest aircraft carrier. Approximately 350 meters long. Running on water, which can have about 60 to 70 fighter jets can be on this platform. So, this is an aircraft carrier. Its job is to carry aircraft. So, this is aircraft carrier. Its job is to carry aircraft.

Why does an aircraft carrier do this? Every aircraft has got a certain range. It has to protect that range and fight its war. If a range is say about 1000 km and if I am starting from a place which is already 2000 km away, then I have to refuel the medi-air. This is how it works. What is better than that? You reach closer to that place, say about 500 km, you can move inside 500 km and come back safely.

Got it.

This is how aircraft carriers work. Along with this, destroyers work. So, what is this? This is strike group formation. Now, this aircraft carrier has come. Along with this, your destroyers come. These are all destroyers?

No, these are all different. These are the destroyers on the side. What do you call this? This is the guided missile destroyer. Let's call it a destroyer. Like this is the aircraft carrier of the Girard fold.

This is the destroyer of the Harley Burke class. It goes with them. Okay? Arleigh Burke class destroyer.

This is the length. Is it like this?

Yes, this is Arleigh Burke. The name of the destroyer will be clear to you. Arleigh Burke has a span of 150-200 meters. This is the general span of all destroyers. Formations will be like this. One aircraft carrier will have destroyers on its formations will be the same. There will be one aircraft carrier. There will be destroyers on its side.

There will be frigates in front of it. There will be submarines below. There will be refueling vehicles behind it. These are fixed formations. Why is it running? This is the asset.

The American aircraft carrier has 5,000 soldiers on it. They are needed to operate this aircraft. The American aircraft has 5,000 soldiers on board. 5,000 people are there on this platform. Destroyers use air defense systems. Anti-submarine option. To protect the aircraft from aerial threats. To protect it from naval threats. To protect it from submarines.

To protect it from other ships. Other attack submarines. Nuclear submarines. The main job of these is to protect the destroyers. To protect it. All these things are to protect it.

All these destroyers on its side, whether it's two or four, are to protect the aircraft carrier. If a missile comes from anywhere, we should destroy it. If there's a missile from anywhere, we should save it. This would cost billions of dollars. Everything costs billions of dollars.

But this is the actual asset. Because it's worth a billion dollars, so it's worth a billion dollars. Got it. So, these steams are docked on this. So, can anyone put this in any sea? This has just come from the South China Sea. Gerald Ford has come from that side. It generally roams here.

It lives in the Indian Ocean. But in international waters, nobody has the right to… International waters are for everyone. So, anyone can put it anywhere. There is no problem. See, what happens is that there is a territorial sea for 12 km. That sea is your right. No one can do anything in that. So, from India to India for 12 km.

12 nautical miles. Nautical miles is 1.8 km. So, double that. Let's say 24. The range of that much km is our territorial water. No one can do anything in that.

It's purely the right of that country. After that comes our exclusive economic zone. We do all the economic activities. The rest of the military ships can come inside, but they cannot operate. Okay. They are 200 nautical miles away. After 200 nautical miles, international water starts.

So, according to each country, international water… So, after about 450-500 km from India. It is international water. Okay. Or if it is in the middle of another country, then it will have its own territorial EZ. No one has a say in international water. Do whatever you want to do. No one does anything to anyone during peace time. But if there is a war between two countries, like Iran and the US, then the US submarine

hit their frigate and drowned it. Is this near Iran? This looks like Persian Gulf at this time. Because it was in Persian Gulf and when its risk increased, it was to be removed from Persian Gulf. Got it. Okay. So, this was his. Now, what is going on in front of it is a frigate. The same thing happens with a frigate.'s job is to escort the aircraft carrier, show it the way, and protect it from the submarines and attack submarines. So, it has lesser deployment than the destroyers of the assets.

But it also has a job of escorting and protecting. The small ones in the back are refueling vehicles. Now, the aircraft carriers like Gerald Ford don't require refueling. They are nuclear powered. So, probably refueling is not for them. It is for the destroyers and frigates that are with them.

It is nuclear powered. It does not require any fuel. It is its own reactor. It will keep on burning all the time. Okay. So, this entire thing will just keep on fueling.

It does not have fuel. It has its own nuclear reactor. So, it is powered by nuclear reaction. Got it. So, similarly, India has two aircraft carriers. Vikrant and Vikramaditya. INS Vikrant and Vikramaditya. Almost 280 odd meters long. But they are half in water displacement.

Again, the same formation. The aircraft carrier is running. How big is Vikramaditya? Approximately 300 meters. It's 270-280 meters. Both? Yes.

And how many carriers can it carry? 30-40. Okay. And where are both of them deployed? Strategically, it's in the Arabian or in the Bay of Bengal. Or it might be during peace time. Probably we'll have to send to Strait of Hormuz to take it out.

But obviously the carrier won't go there. But we'll have to deploy our ships there.

Got it.

So generally in and around here in this area.

And this is the destroyer. This is the destroyer.

See, the radars of the early warning are installed on it. To protect. These are the early warning radars. These are AD systems. Radars and antennas. This one. This is an early warning radar. The big antenna. This is for air defence.

So the dome that we see, it creates the dome kind of an effect. This is the aircraft carrier photo.

This is the aircraft carrier photo.

This is the aircraft carrier photo. With the jet over it. Then these are attack submarines. These are attack submarines. These are Virginia class attack submarines. They are around 300 meters in length.

Just the material is such. Now what is is this? There are two types. One is nuclear, which has got nuclear weapons. Like we have INS Arihant. We have got INS Arihant,

which can launch a K-4 missile. It's a ballistic missile. It gives us that triad that we can launch nuclear from the waters. This Virginia class is of the US. It is with Abraham Lincoln and it runs with Gerald Ford.

The material can stay underwater for months. It also runs on a nuclear reactor. There is no fuel requirement. Then you have a generator. It runs on a generator. So, after a certain duration, maybe 15 days or a month, it has to come out once. It has to come to the surface. The nuclear ones don't require any fuel. They stay underwater for 6 months. Interesting. So, that is there. Now, what are attack submarines?

Attack submarines are used to attack, destroy ships. For example, the INS Dana, which was from Iran, was an attack submarine from the US, which hit it with its torpedoes. So, they also go with the fleet when the entire strike group goes to protect it from the attack

submarines.

So, they are also used with the fleet when the entire strike group is on the move to provide protection to the other attack submarines. So, it is also there to clear the routes. So, these are the launches. This is Tomahawk being launched. Tomahawk is a subsonic cruise missile. Subsonic means the speed of the missile is less than Mach 1, which has a speed of 0.8.

So, fantastic weapon, which we use every time. Ship launched.

Okay. What is this?

This is a cruiser. This is also like, like we have a destroyer, and we have come in that category. We have come in the category of frigate and destroyer. Cruiser ships, weapons and early warning protection systems are installed.

What are all these? These are planes. These are carriers. This is a carrier photo. This is a photo of either Gerald Ford or Abraham Lincoln.

And this is?

This is a cruiser that is going with it. We saw this photo. In this, we have carriers, frigates, destroyers, fueling vehicles, cruisers and submarines.

And what is this doing?

Launching a missile. This is launching a cruise missile. It's an attack or a destroyer, interceptor? That cannot be said.

Okay, it's the same thing but then...

Missile is the same. Can be used to intercept as well. Can be used to hit also. What are these? CVN-72. These are their jets. What kind of jets are they? And what's this? Yeah, we got it. This must be the 15 Eagle.

Yeah.

So, in which, the weapon below can't be stealth. That's all we'll get to know. Okay, so these are the weapons.

So, this one. No, this one has it too. This one doesn't have it.

This is the F-35 replica. This is the F-22 replica. So, because weapons are not visible in this, that's the difference between.

Yes, like weapons are visible in this and not in this.

What's this?

This is a destroyer.

The same thing.

These are all the same pictures. And these are all from the US. These are all from the Gerard Fold.

These are all from same pictures. Destroyed, different pictures. And these are all US. These are all of Gerard Fold.

These are all of Strike Group. Gerard Fold, the Strike Group, these are all of that. How many carriers did US have? I can't remember. 13 or a lot? We have two, they have many.

How can US launch a war from any part of the world? By having bases everywhere. This is what they do. Why do they have bases everywhere? How do they have permissions to do it? Because they have the money to buy off and they can actually tell people to, wheel protect you concept because they can pump money. It is extremely costly to maintain a base. We call it an aircraft carrier base.

Because millions of dollars are spent on just the fueling part of it. The reactor that is running, there are millions of dollars that are being used daily to run those and to maintain those. When they are docked and maintained, millions and millions of dollars are used. They can afford it. They can afford it.

So how much is their defense budget? It is almost a trillion dollar. It is a defense budget of 880 billion dollars. It is of 880 billion dollars. They want to take it to 1.5 trillion next year. They want to double it.

They want to double it. 1.5 trillion. So it is all about money. You have the money to sustain it. That's why you can sustain it. We don't have it. It's not difficult to make it. China? China also has a lot of naval assets. China is going to beat the US in naval assets.

Quality wise, we can debate. But quantity wise, they are pretty close to beating them.

They can also launch from any war front.

No, they can't launch. This is their problem. They have a lot of assets, but they are all stuck in one place. They can't roam freely. That's why they try to make a string of pearls theory. We made it in Sri Lanka, in the Middle East, in Djibouti. When you look at the circle, the string of pearls is to take ports in such a way that String of Pulse is a policy against India.

India also has a policy against it and we have also acquired a lot of ports. They have got String of Pulse and we have got S-Pulse. Chabar is one of the strategic locations for us? Yes, yes, yes. It is absolutely one of the most important. That's why Chabar is important. Because it breaks the balance.

We have also built against the Hambantotal. So that's why we have ports and we are building. The Relos agreement that we made with Russia and spread it everywhere. That's why you are also finding ways and means to block it. The most important part of it is the Malacca Strait, which is Andaman-Nicobar.

That's why there is so much military deployment in Andaman-Nicobar. As soon as the Malacca Strait closes, China has no option. China has no option against the Malacca Strait. So, the state of Hormuz. Which can be done in Suez Canal in Egypt. We can do it in Malacca.

Because of China's goods. Yes, it is again a juggler's way for everyone. Because if you don't want to leave there, you have to go from the Indian Ocean from the bottom. And then you don't have the route. There are no seas where ships can go.

Not every sea is for ship routes. And okay, one or two last things. One was in this whole thing, Trump probably you think is also a winner in some sort because now US's weapons are everywhere because there's also this thing makes sense that maybe all this is a way for I'll do it again so it's like Trump can still win all this. I mean, the US can win because create chaos in the whole world and your defense and weapon industry will increase

a lot. So, maybe this weapon manufacturing lobby, they fund it way more because they want the rest of the world to buy more defense systems from them. Part, this method will definitely remain. Because it is an economic method. When you are poofing up your weapons, obviously, somebody will have to manufacture and restock the inventory.

That's one.

Second is, other people will also buy it in the whole world. Because now, almost every country, this is not only a signal that some Middle Eastern countries, all the countries have a signal that anyone can do anything from anywhere. But the missing link is that everyone wants to spend weapons.

But the missing link is that everyone wants to spend weapons.

But the missing link is that everyone wants to spend weapons. But the missing link is that everyone wants to spend weapons. But the missing link is that everyone wants to spend weapons. But the missing link is that everyone wants to spend weapons. But the missing link is that everyone wants to spend weapons. But the missing link is that everyone wants to spend weapons. Why? Because I want a lot of aircrafts. As India, I want a lot of aircrafts. But I'm not taking it from the US. I'm taking it from France. I'll take it.

Probably I would have taken it from Russia, which is not an ally of the US. So, it would have been a loss for them. So, this is a missing link. One link that is very good is that obviously,

because so many weapons have been used, so all those people who are dependent on the US, Middle East, Israel and US itself, there must be many more people who want to buy from them, because a lot of equipment is used in NATO as well. So, you can see the profit of manufacturing from all of them towards the US. A lot of people are self-sufficient, they use their own equipment.

So, the Russians and the French, they generally use their own equipment. People like India, Chinese use their own equipment. People like India and other countries who buy, probably they are not buying Russian equipment, US equipment. Because US equipment comes with a lot of restrictions. That's why they don't buy it. They don't give their source code. They don't give their weaponry. Probably they can remotely access their equipment.

So, during a battle, their aircraft may not fly. We have bought an F-35 and when we have to launch it against Pakistan, they probably won't let us unlock it only. So, they can do it. These things happen. They have the source code. If my aircraft is flying but my radar is not working. So what will I do? How will I increase it? Plus parts missing, changing, maintenance.

Parts will be missing, supply chain will be blocked. They will not give parts. Technology will start getting obsolete in a while. They will not give proper training. It will not be properly trained. So all these will be the shortcomings in that part.

So this. And one more part which is in Trump's favour is the part that he has just shown the will to bully people. This again is a very big thing. To have the kind of guts to actually go and launch military operations against public will. No one wants to fight in America.

In a pre-poll conducted in America, only 20% of people supported this military action. In a pre-poll conducted in Iran, 100% of people would have supported this thing. They will die but will fight. In a pre-poll conducted in Iran, 100% of people would have supported this thing. They would have died but they would have fought. So, fighting against that will, it shows that the old US habit, it shows that they had gone dormant and they were not doing anything. But now they are militarily engaging. So, it goes in favor of that.

What is the favor in this?

The favor is that they are showing back the American thing that he had left for a long time. So, that can… The hard lines are those. So, whoever is thinking against the interests of America or America's allies, they'll step back. They'll step back a little. Everyone understood this much that when we talked about superpowers,

they lost or won, whatever the result, they could engage. Others could not dare to engage also. So, this is the difference. Taiwan is the only peace here, no? Yes, Taiwan. We'll see how China reacts towards Taiwan. And it's a signal to maybe China that this is what they will have to face if they do anything.

Obviously. And what does this mean for India? Where is India? This is the last question that I have for you. The whole story that is going on, there is a narrative war, there is a financial war, there is a war through weapons, there are geopolitical wars, people are taking favours and sides. Countries are fighting left, right, centre. Where is India? India is… We are all friends, right, center. Where is India? India is strategically autonomous, never neutral, always understanding.

Always knowing where the benefit is. And sitting at the kingmaker's spot, it cannot be left by any of these powers. And we'll find a way out of it to be a superpower. Is where India is. We have a say in everything that happens. And Iran, USA war will cause us loss? No, nothing in the long term. We'll be able to offset everything.

And short term? Short term, we are seeing the LNG prices hike. A little bit of pain is there. But, till now, it has not reached the level that the government is not able to absorb it. They'll absorb quite a bit of it.

Long term, we'll come back easily out of it. It's not that much. We have our foreign policy strongly in place to counter a lot of stuff. Economically, our setup is fine. We have got people, we have our friends who will take care of us and we'll take care of them. Our strategic autonomy is now, now the silence of our leadership makes sense. Now, like friendships make sense. Now, the silence of our leadership makes sense.

Now, like friendships make sense. Now, everybody, whoever questioned at any point, everybody's stunned by the way our leadership has actually taken care of India's interest by just being strategically autonomous and maintaining very deep relationship with everybody. Because strategic autonomy is not equal to neutrality. Simple as that. Strategic autonomy is having a mind of your own.

Or India is strategically autonomous.

Absolutely.

Perfect. Thank you so much for explaining us what are the implications of this and what can it do. It was a pleasure having you once again.

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