Tim Miller: Trump’s Insane Moves Are Scaring Regular People

Hi everyone, Tim Miller from Bulwark. I just went out with my friends Nicole Wallace, John Heilman, Molly Jungfast, Steven Richer. We talk a lot. We first talked about Aria Eggman, the woman who replaced Liz Cheney in the Wyoming, who received the same treatment as Elise Stefanik in the Red Wyoming. No, she was shocked about Epstein.

They took it. I explained why I think it's revealing. It was not the case. We have seen some of these cases where a Republican member of Congress does something in a blue area of ​​their red circumscription. This is not where Harriet Hagerman was.

She was in the middle of Wyoming. So, she was in the country of the cowboys. Very good. And them? She was getting the business. So, we talked about it. We talked a little about the polls. Them? We talked about immigration and what the Democrats should do on immigration and what the Democrats should do too on Epstein.

And I think a little about my conversation with Aki Jeff. And then we brought Stephen Richard, we talked about democracy, including things on which I would be like a dog on a bone until next November, and that's where I think the biggest threat is, namely a stop of the siderurgical effort after November 2026. Euh, we're getting to that and more. Euh, I hope you'll enjoy it.

I'm wearing this new T-shirt. Tell me what you think in the comments. I don't know. I'm not sure to be honest. Do I press this button? I press the button at the top in an aerial link. It does not come from one of our sponsors. So, if we don't like them, we can just be mean. I don't know. I'm undecided.

Anyway, tell me what you think these files of Jeffrey Epstein. Are you in favor of the publication of these 5 files? I am in favor.

It's up to the court to decide.

It's up to the court to decide. Thank you. It's up to the court to decide. Yes, madam, thank you.

We must have voting books in correspondence. My question was. Yes, Madam, thank you. We need to have correspondence voting papers. My question was, what do you personally think about depriving Americans of these fundamental tools, which are the correspondence voting papers, the correspondence voting papers?

Correspondence voting is not fundamental.

You just said that we have been protected by good foundations.

You are able to exercise your right to vote without a voting ballot by correspondence. You are quite capable of exercising your right to vote without a voting ballot. Let me start with you, Tim Miller, you know, we have data and as Matt Doe says, when you have data and you can compare them with anecdotal evidence of people having feelings intense enough, one to present to a public assembly and the other to express their animosity.

It's information, isn't it? This does not predetermine the result of an election. This does not suggest that Trump will not regain popularity or will not rise in polls, but it's just an instant 7 months later. And for me, it illustrates something that worried me in the first few weeks, frenzy

would be interpreted as energy, work and progress. It seems that in the 7th month, frenzy and chaos clearly do not correspond to the perception that the results correspond to why people voted. What is your impression of Trump's situation at the moment?

I think it's true. I see, it's not like he's free-falling. We must not exaggerate, but you know, for many voters, they do not see the change they want in their lives and their economic situation. And then some types of voters complain about some things he did. In some cases, this has angered his own base on questions like Epstein. In other cases, it has angered the independent voters with the immigration regime. In other cases, there were just more of these non-political voters who hoped that the prices of food products would go down, and they have

increased. And so, you had this confluence of factors, the political winds moving away from him. I mean, I promised myself that I was not going to be obsessed with the polls in 2025, as if we were still far from the next elections. Uh, you know, we may be shifted from 10 to 15 points and even Trump would be in difficulty on many of these issues, including Epstein, including immigration, including the economy. And then if you look at the situation in Wyoming, you know? My co-panelist John Mann will know that the only place in Wyoming where you can find a Democrat, it's Jackson Hole.

Uh, I quickly looked at Google Maps here while you were talking to see how far we were from Jackson Hall in this town. It was about two hours away. So, she was in the real Wyoming. Okay, she wasn't in the ski resorts. She was in Pinedale, in the real Wyoming, being yelled at about Jeffrey Epstein, the big and beautiful bill of rights, etc. And you know, I'm sure there are some Democrats in Pinedale, but I think it shows that there is discontent in the country, which is interpartisan. Some of the new members of the Trump coalition seem to be the weakest.

You know, let me just read that. Euh, euh, Reuters has the support of the Hispanic voters, let me just read that. The latest poll showed that Hispanics, a group that turned to Trump during the elections of last year, are the president's favorites. Some 32% approve of his performance at the White House, which corresponds to their lowest level of approval for Trump this year. And then the manosphere, which has a lot more

belly and cagoule. Here is Joe Rogan, them, on what they think of the situation of immigration. It was a visceral reaction that many people had to the idea that people would get on and off the schools and home depot shops and people who worked hard and who had maybe snuck in here because they had no legal means to get there. But since they've been here, they're good people and they're part of the community. And that's what scares people, because when people think of ICE, they think, great, we're going to get rid of gang members.

They don't think, great, we're going to get rid of a landscaper. So, Tim Miller, to you and all the intelligent conversations you have with intelligent people, how do you operationalize resistance to something so deeply unpopular, that is to say all the things that Molli just said, but which are now included in politics, which are now

funded by all the Republicans in Congress who are running for Donald Trump?

Yeah, this funding, that's an important point, Nicole. What I wanted to talk about is adding something to all this, because Trump only increases the pressure, isn't it? Like the actions around immigration and ICE. They, you know, it's not because he's down on this issue in the polls that they're going to slow down their operations.

On the contrary. They, you know, and yesterday, they released this new kind of ce nouveau genre de camions et de voitures fascistes qui portent le nom de Trump et qui défendent la patrie. Euh, vous savez, ce genre de voitures de type 100 éther qu'ils vont envoyer dans des endroits. Euh, ils ont tout ce financement supplémentaire pour les centres d'expulsion, tout ce financement supplémentaire pour la police de l'ICE. They, you know, new people who will not be very well trained, something that my colleague

Adrien Kerk has covered a lot in Bulwark. They, you know, we're going to see Dinkein jump from a truck and arrest people, apparently what he said he was planning to do on Fox. So, it's not going to slow down. And so, I think it's up to the Democrats to fight this issue and I think that's something we've seen change over the last eight months with the Democrats to fight on this issue and I think it's something that we have seen change over the last eight months with the Democrats who, at the beginning

of the year, thought that immigration was a failure, Trump was popular on this issue. It's not worth fighting. And I think a kind of combination of things, how extreme their policies have been. The return of the stick after what we have seen with El Salvador, people like Joe Rogan who came out there. I mean, no Democrat wants to have the impression of getting closer to Joe Rogan on immigration, right? And so, I think there is a combination of things where the Democrats have gained a little

more courage on this subject and have realized that it could be a winning problem if they focused on the most extreme elements, what ordinary people do not like, namely masked men who jump out of cars and stop people in the street, you know, and who stop gardeners in the street, and who even stop American citizens in many cases. You have George Reddy in California. This story of the veteran who received tear gas from ICE in California.

So I think that if the Democrats focus on these extreme cases, you know, they will have 70 to 80% of the country on their side, you can see that the figures continue to evolve in their direction. It's interesting. The Epstein case was not a problem under the Biden administration. So yes, I hope that by the end of the August break, when we will be back in September,

we will have access to the information. We are therefore very interested in the Redstone files. I think it's a bad image to delete this information, but there are also no matter how we try to present it, we cannot escape the fact that girls have been sexually abused by Jeffrey Epstein and

Galen Maxwell.

And the facts have worsened since Trump became president, because Galen Maxwell has gone from a low-security prison to a much more comfortable prison, so comfortable that it allows inmates to train animal rescue dogs. But she is such a hateful criminal that all the programs of this low-security prison are not accessible to her. She is an exception in her own prison.

So, all that Trump or Republican fans want to do to protect Trump from Jeffrey Epstein can not really be accepted by anyone who has a brain, eyes or ears, because the facts are still in progress. Gala Maxwell is still there. And since Trump is president, his situation has gone from

a prison situation to a much less strict situation. there is a lot of interest on the right. So we all can't wait impatiently to see what a Democratic chamber could potentially do from the point of view of surveillance. But I interviewed V.A. Cain Jeff last week and I asked him the question. I said to him, if you get the GAVL, are you going to organize a surveillance audience on Epstein? And the answer is obviously yes. It's true. They will have to do it because there is a concealment. We know pertinently that there is a file shared by Microsoft which contains a list of all the times where Trump has been mentioned. We do not know

how he was mentioned, nor if it is important or insignificant, but they have suffocated the case. So if the Democrats take back power, they will obviously want to examine this information, which will reveal other information about other people, and you know, the media cycle will continue. They have therefore managed the situation in such a way that it will not disappear. And I find it interesting that they managed the situation in such a way that the Republicans of the House, and perhaps more broadly the Republicans of the Congress, wear the biggest

political burden, because they do not have this shield of Donald Trump against which the voters are angry, right? But he says to himself, oh, well, is it the fault of Pambondi? Is it the fault of the Republicans in the chamber? We can't get angry against Trump for that, the main supporters of Trump. And so what you have here, it's these Republicans from the Congress who look so weak. As if they were not doing what they promised their voters, what Mike Johnson had promised

voters to do over and over again. And he's running away right now, or you see Trump in a way over there, you know, he does at least some stuff, he does the Putin summit, he does various other things, you know, or he remains at least visible because he is Donald Trump and he will never go away, not even a second. And so, you know, to vote, I saw that in the media maga. They wonder where the Congress is, the Congress is hiding because of this story of Epstein

for weeks now. They are doing nothing. They are not advancing any of our interests and they do not give us this information about Epstein. Trump has really put them in a delicate situation in particular. I think that Vladimir Putin, this smart guy, said that we could not have honest elections with the vote by correspondence and he said that no country in the world not use it now. We can find a real litany of lies in these comments. The 2020 election was not tricked.

Donald Trump lost and many other countries have also adopted the vote by correspondence. These comments are also a very important and revealing insight into the influence that Putin exerts on Trump. How much each word he pronounces is imprinted in the mind of Donald Trump. He seems to repeat exactly what Putin said. Putin is clearly turning to Donald Trump and uses this misinformation as a tool to

sow chaos here in the United States before our next elections." Thus, not only does Donald Trump follow the electoral advice of an autocrat who won 88% of the votes during what Russia calls an election, but he also repeats his lies and saps a voting method that helped him win the November presidential election. According to Politico, I quote,, Republicans invested tens of millions of dollars last year to convince their voters that the vote by correspondence was sure after Trump spent

years criticizing this practice and claiming without basis that it was full of fraud. And it worked, the Republican voters reducing or even reversing the gap between male and Democrat votes in several states. Steven Reicher, former journalist on the county of Maricopa, Arizona, a leading researcher in American democracy at Harvard University, joined our conversation. Molly and Tim are also with us.

Stephen, thank you very much for being there. I'm just wondering what you feel about the idea of having to protect democracy from American disinformation, to hear an amplified American president repeat and spread Russian disinformation?

What does this do to your very informed synapses?

Well, you don't need to be very well informed to know that you shouldn't follow the advice of a dictator in terms of electoral administration, in particular of a Russian dictator. But I have been participating in this show for 4 years, and I will say what I have always said. To declare that the 2020 election had not been stolen. The vote by correspondence is not entrenched in fraud. The 2024 election had a vote by correspondence, and the 2024 election was not stolen.

And Donald Trump won it. So, I don't know why he's talking about it now, except maybe Putin told him. But the next thing you know, Putin is going to say, and you know, what is even better, is not having elections at all. And maybe you should try.

Stephen, I just want to continue to expose the facts as you always do when you are here. This is taken from the New York Times which reports how much Trump benefited from the vote by correspondence. The Times reports this quote, Pennsylvania, widely considered as the most important presidential battlefield, has experienced one of the biggest changes in male vote. Its share of male voters enrolled as Republicans has gone from 24% in 2020 to 33% in 2024. In the very Republican states of Oklahoma, Kansas and Iowa, Republicans represented

the majority of male voters in last year's elections, after Democrats dominated those states in 2020. And in Arizona, the pivotal state where a large majority of voters voted by correspondence, Republicans had an 8-point advantage over Democrats in the vote by correspondence. What does this mean for a tool that benefits not only Republicans, but also Trump, is something that he will use so easily, you know, overboard because Putin says so?

I don't know. But it must be very frustrating for Republican political strategists who, as you noted, spent millions of dollars in 2024 to convince Republicans to vote. Vote by all means possible. Vote by correspondence, vote in person. But I will tell you, in fact, political strategists like it when we vote by correspondence, when we vote by anticipation, because they do not have to spend their resources that have been exhausted in recent minutes to convince Republican voters to show up on the day of the scrutiny. So, a lot of strategists really like that.

Again, it's been around for a long time. These are not new practices. President Trump himself voted by correspondence during many past elections. And so, I don't know what triggered that in his brain. It seems that 24 is pretty well worked for him. Trust in the American elections was at a very high level at the beginning of 2025.

So, why is he coming back to this question now, again, I can't quote anything else but his conversation with President Putin, which is alarming in many ways. Tim, I think for many observers of democracy, it's the nightmarish scenario. Attack our elections, trick our elections. It's not just the electoral cut, it's the attacks against the way people vote. What do you think of the way in which he is protected with vigor or not?

Well, I think we have to protect him much more vigorously, and I think we have to learn from 2020. Listen, none of us can can enter Donald Trump's brain. God thank you. Uh, I'm open to the theory that Vladimir Putin may just have a magic spell on him and everything Vladimir Putin says, he repeats it.

I think that could be a theory. But I think there's another likely reason why he's targeting the vote by correspondence or other types of votes right now and it's something we've all experienced. It's something we've all experienced. It's something Steven experienced more intensely in 2020, which lays the foundations for contesting the election if it goes as he does not want it to.

And I think it's as simple as that. We are looking at Stop The Steal 2.0. It starts early. It started very early in 2020. It's just that many of us didn't take it seriously in 2019. But he's throwing this friend in the water now. He's laying the foundations. And so, if hypothetically, I don't know, the Democrats win the House by three or four votes next time, during a tight election, and there are tight races in states where voting by correspondence is authorized, like Arizona, Colorado, California or Nevada,

he will do what he did in 2020 and will try to contest the election and prevent, them, that these elections are certified. I think it is quite clear that this is at least an option that he keeps open. And I think this threat is the highest for me. I think that the real protection of elections is also very important. I think that the real protection of elections is also very important.

But I think that the post-election period of 2026 is what we already have an overview