Trillanes: Dela Rosa will eventually surrender if cornered by authorities | 25 May 2026

We will talk to former Senator Antonio Sonny Trillanes IV.Good afternoon.Sentry.

Good afternoon to you, to Sandro and to Willie and to our viewers.Good afternoon Senator.

Senator, what is our update on this?We remember that you went to the Senate, not because you wanted to, but we remember that you were challenged.You even said, go ahead Mr. Trillanes, make my day.

and the visit of Senator Trillanes to the Senate.That's what he used.It's good that Jimmy Bondoc went to jail.That's what he used now, jail.Aside from that, he's laughing at his other lawyers.He's looking for a jail now.

Why did you let Trillanes go?

That's not materialistic.That's not what they're talking about.What they're talking about here is the argument that you're bringing.Lawyers are laughing at him.

What will happen in the pending warrant against Senator Bato de la Rosa?

First of all, I will correct what Jimmy Bondoc said.I was not there to serve the warrant.I just accompanied the NBI to serve the warrant.Now, I showed the warrant held by the NBI.To answer the questions of the media at that time, they asked why Bato was arrested.So nobody knows about the existence of the warrant until I actually showed it to them, which I got from the NBI people.

That's why those accusations were not factual, his presentation.Because I was not there to serve the warrant.I was there to accommodate.the arresting team so I could comply and fulfill the challenge that Bato put on me.

Aside from that, you had no choice at that time when reporters were asking you why you were there and they were talking about the warrant.So you had no choice but to issue the warrant, the copy of the warrant.

Yes.Because they were wondering, sir, why are you arresting Bato?That was their question to me. I told them that there is an ICC warrant.Sir, what should we do?Do you have a copy?I told them that there is an NBI.

I took it from my staff.Okay.The NBI is right next to me. I was the only one interviewing.I'm the only one they know.But the NBI, the team is right there at the door of the Session Hall.You know that.

In the Session Hall, the second floor, we are there.The NBI is there beside me.But the media, they were asking me why I was arrested.Where is the warrant?That's what they showed me.

So it's clear.You were taken out of context at that time.

Yes, and they're misleading Jimmy Bondoc with the facts of the situation.Because first of all, why would the NBI go there if they don't have a warrant?They're holding the warrant.That's how simple it is.Now, the question.The question here is, you know, the NBI knows, right?

It's the government.The problem here is, when When the situation in the Senate was being reported,John Vick suddenly insisted that he didn't have anything to hold on to.What if you don't have anything to hold on to now?He questioned the warrant held by the NBI.He should have asked himself, why didn't he give him the warrant?

He's the PNP.Why?Because he's incompetent, right?Yes.He should think about why he didn't trust me with the arrest of Bato.Why the NBI?

Maybe he will ask that Sentry.Where did you get the warrant why the DILG, the PNP, is not there?He should have asked the NBI.

They're the government.They're the government.It's the same.If the PNP has a warrant, for example, that it will hold and serve, and you ask the NBI about it, they won't say, no, I doubt that the PNP will hold it.No.They will give a presumption of regularity.

Right?Or they won't speak.Wait a minute.Let me check.He'll call his counterpart first.What is it that you're holding?

What is this?A valid warranty?Is that so, Audie?Then he will speak.This is not.You speak right away.

It's like the stone is being arbored right away.That's what's happening there.That's why there was a lot of confusion at that time.Instead of speaking with one voice, they started with two voices.It's like he was ahead of the score of the NBI.It's like that.

So it's clear that there's a lack of coordination.

You know the NBI.If they have an operation, they don't need to coordinate with the PNP.

and vice versa.

Because first of all, the operation can still be heard.Especially this.If you send it to the PNP, of course, there are still a lot of kids in the PNP.They will be alerted.Right?There are things like that.

There are operational security.That's why the NBI needs to coordinate with OSAA, which they did.They are saying it clearly.That's why they are inside because they have coordination.So what happened here, this is really a mess.He was misled into thinking that there is no warrant.

Okay.So that's it.I will just go back to that point.It's not true what Jimmy Bondoc is saying that I was there to serve the warrant.No.Bato challenged me so I went there.

I accompanied the arresting team.The NBI is in charge of the warrant.I borrowed their copy and showed it to the media so our countrymen would be informed that Bato is being arrested because he has an ICC warrant in NCE.

Okay.What is your profile with Senator Bato?Is there a warrant?DOJ has confirmed that he can be arrested.He was presumed armed and dangerous.What is your profile on him?

Will he fight?Will he give up or what?

He won't give up.You saw how he ran.He's a coward.He's really scared.Because there are a lot of cops chasing him for what he did when he was in the PNP.You know, when he was in the PNP, he was not only the PNP chief, he was also the chief of police of the PNP.

And as you can see, she is now asking for any process, even if the law is clear.This is what our countrymen need to see.This Bato is not a saint.She is not an innocent person who is being tied up because of politics or anything.She has a lot of...He was killed when he was a PNP chief and even before that, when he was a chief of police.

That's the reason.And this, I will just compare him to Senator Laila D. Lima, they really did a case.You know, this is Jimmy Bondoc.Where were they when Senator Laila Delima was humiliated and ridiculed during those times?

Her right as a human being was humiliated.

They literally made evidence.They made an invention.

Senator.Let's go back to your wording that Bato will not give up.He will not give up that he will run away or he will not give up that he will be arrested until he dies.

That's not it.If he sees that he's surrounded, he will not fight.He will raise his hands.But before he reaches that point, he will do what he can so he won't be caught.That's it.Then you mentioned his firearms.

You know, the PNP should cancel all of his licenses right now.

All of them.

Because he's fugitive from justice.

I think there's a request to cancel his NBI license.

You know, there's no need to request.It should be a motto.Because it's been announced.The DOJ announced that he was arrested and cancelled.Then, this is what they can do as a basis to go to every house of Bato de la Rosa and get that.They will get that.

So, they can get that.Because this is a collector.You can enter the house to use that, to check where those guns are.So, the PNP should take advantage of that if they want to.

One more thing that we don't see and we don't talk about, the ICC has a policy on who they will ask for help.Even if the country is a non -member state, as long as you are a member of the United Nations Security Council, so even if you say that you are not a member state, as long as you are a member of the UN Security Council, you can use that as a basis for the jurisdiction of the enforcement of the warrant.

Yes.We have a lot of agreements.We are a member of Interpol.That's where the warrant was passed to Interpol Channel.That's why the warrant was officially served here in our country.We have a law, it's a local law, RA 9851.

So it's clear.Now, there are arguments being made by Duterte and Labato in the Rome Statute, Article 59 or 92 or whatever.There are processes there.The Rome Statute is for members.You can't invoke it.They're saying we're not members there.

Why are we recognized?But on the other hand, you're going to use the Rome Statute as an argument for what?No.The ICC warrant is the fruit of our membership back then.This was served to us and it was stated in Article 9851 that we can serve it, we can recognize it.Now, you can't go to the Rome Statute because precisely, we are no longer members of the Philippines.

There are a lot of people invoking that it should be put in the Rome Statute, the competent judicial authority.You know, when I asked the ICC about that, What is a competent judicial authority?For them, it's their requirement, even if it's just fiscal or prosecutor, it's okay.That's how they interpreted the Rome Statute because it's for them.That's why when Digong was arrested, he wasn't just brought to court, but the Prosecutor General certified that the person being arrested was right, his rights were given by Miranda Rights,and the arrest process was proper.

That was the certification he used.That's why when there was a pre -trial hearing in Dahae, when they were raising the kidnapping of Duterte, if you remember, Medialdea, Digong was kidnapped, it was immediately destroyed because all the process was observed based on Article 59.Article 59 is for the ICC, Rome Statute.They cannot invoke that because you already removed the Philippines from the Rome Statute.

That's why you cannot invoke it.What is your take on Senator Bato de la Rosa's wife, Grace Nancy de la Rosa, who is calling on the judicature not to allow her husband to be brought to jail?

We are waiting for the Supreme Court to pass it, but some of them already passed it.That's why the TRO didn't give it.Now, of course, we understand that she's a wife.That's why she should be appealed to PT for her husband.But this is embarrassing for Bato because she's a PNP chief.She was very brave when they were appointed.

And now, you're jealous of your wife.It's a bit shameful, right?If you did a crime, you did something wrong, you should defend it.That's what we were taught in PMA.So, you know, there are a lot of traces of this.If we're only talking about PMA, PMA community, all of what we were taught there is being violated.

So that's it.

How can Senator Bato de la Rosa be arrested?

There are many ways.There's human intelligence, signal intelligence to get leads on where Bato is.There are many ways to do it.I am sure It's being done by intelligence units, not just PNP, but also AFP.The way I understand it, this will be a national effort to catch him.There are many ways to do that.

On the side, you can use force.If we remember, Saddam Hussein was canonized by his cousin because of the force of the U .S.government.So that's how it is here.He has seen a lot of people in Batoc, wherever he is now.

When the time comes for the government to issue a warrant, there are people who will give information on that.

When should he start initiating the issuance of a warrant?Until now, no one is initiating the issuance of a warrant for his arrest.

different agencies of the government, it could be DILG, it could be NBI, it could be DOJ.There are a lot of people who will give information there.You know, there are a lot of commander of Abu Sayyaf who were arrested because of their activities.If you are one of them, you will be arrested.

Maybe there should be someone to start it.Senator, maybe you want to donate first.Even if it's just a thousand.

Actually, here's the thing.Paguya is one of the uses of the intelligence fund.Because the intelligence fund is supposed to be, you have a fund that to buy information, to develop an agent, just to buy information.That's when you are public.What we call that now is crowdsourcing.You are crowdsourcing intelligence information so that if there is a solid tip, There are a lot of funds for that.

There are a lot of intelligence funds from the government for that.

Let me go back to the arrest of Bato.Senator Ping Laxon asked why the NBI sent two women.Meanwhile, the one who will be arrested is a man.Why did the NBI send a woman?What is your comment on the arresting of an NBI agent?

The way I understood it when Director Matibag was in the media, there were 40 NBI agents there and they were covering different points of entry.Where Bato entered, there were a lot of agents there, but the two agents were the main ones.But there were a lot of NBI agents.There were also operatives there where that happened.But the reason why they brought up the two NBI agent women is so that the NBI can see them.he's not a criminal, he will give him respect.

It's supposed to be like that.The assumption of the NBI operatives is that this would be a peaceful surrender.

Sadly, that didn't happen Senator.

Yes.Then three vans were used.Three vans, one of those vans was carrying Bato.It was full of staff so they surrounded the operatives.There was no plan to surrender peacefully.However, the NBI gave an opportunity he would have surrendered properly.

Now when he allied with the women operatives and he ran away, the NBI's view is since our warrant is valid, we will just wait for him to be turned over by the Senate because that's how it was done before.That's how it was done to Senator Enrile, Senator Laila Delima and to me.

Maybe he became complacent.the incident that you were arrested in the Senate, in the case of Senator De Lima.You, Senator Enrile, right?So it became, what do you call it, it became relaxed.

Yes.They have respect for the institution because they assume that the institution, the Senate, will respect itself.We'll respect its place, right?If you have a valid warrant, you will surrender the person.You have no basis to protect.That's why they need to sue Cayetano, Aplazca, so that it can be put in place.

Next time, we can't do that.

This is the only lesson you should learn.You can talk to the stone anytime.

All right.Thank you very much Sentry.Thank you very much.This is former Senator Antonio Zonny Trillanes.