Trump Dragged Away From White House As All Hell Breaks Loose - On Sunday

While war negotiations with Iran completely collapse, of course, thanks to Israel's bloodthirst for regional domination, Donald Trump is being quietly shipped off, against his will, to beautiful Camp David.Doesn't sound too bad, but it is for Donald Trump.I want you to understand, he absolutely hates Camp David.He does not want to go at all.And in case you don't know, Camp David is a rustic mountain compound in Maryland with cabins named after trees, gorgeous, gorgeous walking trails, and one single hole of golf.That's why Trump doesn't like it.

It was designed by Franklin Roosevelt to be a simple, quiet, secure place for a president to think.So, of course, our thoughtless, insecure president, he's not a fan of it at all.He once said of Camp David, Camp David is very rustic.It's nice.You'd like it.You know how long you'd like it?

For about 30 minutes.In the past decade, Trump has only gone to Camp David one time.That is, until this weekend.And it's funny, because Trump has no idea what to do with Quiet.He physically cannot stand to be anywhere that he isn't allowed to bolt his name onto in 10 -foot gold letters with a matching gold toilet.But! he has to go, because everything else is falling apart.

The Iran talks just collapsed, the ceasefire is basically over, gas prices, they're climbing, his poll numbers are crashing, he's falling asleep in his own meeting still, invisibly rotting in real time on camera, he's admitting things on live television he absolutely should not be admitting, and he's telling reporters that he doesn't care, he loves the inflation.So maybe, just maybe, this secret secure spot It's a medical thing.Is there a possibility that this is a checkup we haven't been told about?Of course there is.Or it's the other thing.The one place in America specifically built for secret negotiations, what is it?

It's Camp David.Because there's a history you might not know.Camp David is where Israel does its deals with the U .S.It's where Carter brokered the literal Camp David Accords between Israel and Egypt, and after two weeks of secret meetings, deal got done.That's what Camp David is actually famous for.

When you want to make a Middle East deal in total secrecy with no press, no leaks, and no public, Things that Donald Trump has struggled with lately, that is the room that you use.So with the Iran war falling apart and Israel clearly pulling the strings, you have to ask, who exactly is in those cabins this weekend and what are they agreeing to that they don't want us to see?Meanwhile, the renovations to the Capitol are the funniest disaster imaginable.Donald Trump has spent $14 million of our tax dollars to rush paint the reflecting pool, and within days it has turned into Morrow Lagoon with swampy green water and the brand new paint peeling off immediately.So instead of admitting his crappy, corrupt outsource job failed, he is claiming that it was sabotage and vandalized by, get this, You won't be able to guess.Radical left lunatics, of course.

He literally just forced Park Police to arrest a 67 -year -old Olympic canoeist who reached into the water during a bike ride and got detained for 5 hours.Instead of admitting defeat, he is draining the whole thing to do it over again.for even more of your money.And by the way, you gotta see this picture of the actual real -life contractor, the guy that Donald Trump is using to do the pool.This is not a joke.This is a real guy.

A really weird guy.This is what a presidency in collapse actually looks like.A sundowning old man who hates the woods getting flowninto the woods against his will.On Father's Day to be kept away from the press while the few adults left in the room, if there really even are any at this point, try to clean up a war he didn't think through.It's a grand display of extreme weakness in another example of the secrecy of this administration.

What are they hiding?We don't know.What are they doing?They won't tell us.And we'll be unpacking it all today with three fantastic guests.Jennifer Welch and I will discuss the secret lovelessness of Donald Trump's marriage and mock Melania a little bit.

You're really going to want to see that.I'll also be asking Senator Mark Warner about the threats to our elections that Bill Pulte poses as the acting director of national intelligence and David Pakman is joining to discuss how terrified this administration is and why they are targeting independent media.Plus, and do stick around for this, we have a special Father's Day surprise interview you will really want to see.All of these guests, they're joining me and they're joining you.And as always, it's happening right now on Sunday.Jennifer Welch, thank you so much for joining me on Sunday.

Jack, you are the only person I would show up for on a Sunday because I don't like to work on Sundays.So thank you so much for having me.

Well, would you show up to make fun of JD Vance on a Sunday, even if I wasn't there with you?

Like a Southern Baptist goes to church, I would always show up to make fun of J .D.Vance because it is America's favorite pastime.

It really is at this point.And Donald Trump's as well.He's made clear that he's willing to throw him under the bus.He already has.But I don't know if you've been paying attention.You cover J .

D.Vance's appearance on The View, but he is on a larger book tour.Have you seen these stops so far?

I think I saw the New York Times stop and I've seen some clips.I didn't know where it was.Of course, I've seen him on Fox, like co -hosting.gag.

It's embarrassing, and so much so, like, I guess he's plotting out his career.He's going to be the first administration official, and Trump, too, to go from.in administration to Fox instead of Fox administration.But J .D.Vance is hawking his book right now.

He was literally at a campaign stop in which he was like, well, this is on behalf of the administration.This is on behalf of a Republican.So I'm not technically allowed to talk about my book, but I'm going to do it anyways.But J .D.Vance's book is going over so poorly right now that you literally cannot leave reviews on Amazon.

You can't leave reviews on other websites.They are blocking people, the Free Speech Administration this is, from commenting on the book.I just don't think it could have gotten any worse, but do you expect anything else from JD Vance?

No, we have to remember this is a person that changed his name three times as an adult.like, Jack, it would be like you rolling out next week.This is the John Doe podcast.And then you changed it again.And then you changed it again.And then you changed your religion three times.

But also, here's something that we don't talk about pertaining this book.And it's really the lead story, but we have all accepted so much corruption and double dealing and the corporate media has accepted that he is enriching himself off of writing a book during the vice presidency.He is traveling on Air Force Two.All of these are taxpayer funded.These are not personally funded.And if Kamala Harris wrote a book, or if Joe Biden, when he was the vice president of Barack Obama, or let's even throw Dame Quayle in there, nobody would tolerate it.

But the corruption is so massive that we get to the fact that the vice president is enriching himself over a pathological lying book to try to rebrand himself.That gets buried in the lead of everything because the corruption with these people is just staggering.

Yeah.And it's funny because I remember one of like the big fake Biden scandals was, oh, in 2017, he made $10 million.How is that possible?It's like, well, he was a popular vice president who sold the book after leaving office, right?It was a scandal that Joe Biden got a book deal after being a popular vice president.So it's, it's so funny and you're right about the switch up.

Like that is all that JD Vance ever does is just change to try to take advantage of the moment or ladder climb.And he's doing it right now, recognizing how unpopular the genocidal regime that is the Israeli government is.And he's kind of taking a different stance.He's telling Netanyahu, maybe you shouldn't be killing so many people, which is kind of crazy to me because JD Vance defended the killing of multiple Americans and doesn't care about innocence of abroad.Have you observed this kind of change of tune from Vance?

Yeah, it's staggering because our mutual friend Hassan Piker got banned from going to the UK for saying something similar.And this is something that is getting a lot of bipartisan support, that Israel needs to stop killing civilians.Americans don't want to pay for it anymore.The problem with J .D.Vance and Trump at all doing this is, number one, they were completely obsequious to Benjamin Netanyahu during the genocide in Gaza, during the first days of displacing and carpet bombing and using white phosphorus on a civilian population in Lebanon.

It's difficult when the Trump regime, who likes to kill Americans, as you mentioned, who wants to remove Black representation in Congress, for us to think that all of a sudden they care about civilian lives.Nobody cared when they were killing fishermen in the ocean.So my problem, there is an issue with anti -Semitism, and it's something we all have to be aware of.It incubates the most.lives the most.In maga cultures jd vanz is the guy who defended the nazi group chats of young republicans And I just everything that this regime does There's some money behind it.

I read an article that Why is trump all of a sudden so concerned about lebanon?He never gave a shit about gaza.Why does he care all of a sudden about lebanon?Well his least favorite child tiffany trump her husband is uh Her husband's dad is a billionaire, a Lebanese descent billionaire.So you've heard whoever has Trump's ear most recently will say, is what he says.Well, J .

D.Vance has no credibility on any of this because he rolled out like a day or two ago and said that he thought that Donald Trump had the highest IQ of any president, that if he were to sit them all down and test them, that Donald Trump would score the highest.And Jack, what I say to that is, let's tee it up.Let's live stream it.Let's live stream it around the globe.Let's all do cognitive tests, get Obama, get Biden, get Clinton, throw in Hillary, throw in Kamala, throw in Pence, throw in Mother, for God's sake.

And let's do IQ tests across the board.I don't trust anything they say.I don't trust any of their machinations.I don't trust any of their plotting because behind all of it, somebody's getting paid somewhere.

That's what their whole thing is. continuing to violate the ceasefire, thus leading to the closure of the Strait of Hormuz.It's the reason that this war started and has continued, yet Donald Trump does nothing.But now we see Miriam Adelson, who owns the biggest newspaper in Israel, allowing it to say that Donald Trump is failing as president because he's allowing a potential deal.You see kind of some of the big money in the pro -Israel lobby or the Israel first mouthpieces and kind of the MAGA media, the Ben Shapiro's, the Mark Levin's, they're pushing back against Trump.Do you think there is a possibility that not having to do with like the morality of any of it, but Trump gets his feelings so hurt by Netanyahu that he turns on him?Like, do you think that is the only way that any of this kind of ends?

No, I think the one thing Trump is excellent at is self -preservation.And he knows the midterms are coming up.You've seen ICE recede.You've seen some changes in the administration that he knew we were facing economic calamity.He whistleblows because he's in his deathbed confession era.We were about to run out of oil.

The economy was about to tank.What happens when you go into the midterms with a tanking economy?The opposing party, it's a tsunami.of complete pendulum swing.They are trying to mitigate as best they can by gerrymandering.The Supreme Court is helping them.

Red states, who knows if we're ever going to get good results, like in Texas and that senatorial race.But he still, he is a self -preservationist first and foremost.And they look at the polling, and they know that this Israel stuff is not popular on the left, right, or center.And it's interesting to me, as it pertains to the Miriam Adelson's and the pro -Israel lobby, when you tell the American public that we need a safe place, we are a marginalized group, and we need protections.And then you go to the bigots for that protection.At some point, the bigots are going to turn your knife on you.

Biden did everything they wanted.Biden allowed a bloodbath.check for Bibi.He just wouldn't bomb Iran.And they betrayed that support, and they went and sought refuge with the bigots, with the people who browbeat immigrants, who are obsessed with the LGBTQ plus community, who are trying to dismantle women's rights, and to think that you're somehow going to be special and magical in a group of white supremacists, wasps.It's just not going to happen.

I saw this coming all along, but they're finding out, just like the Latinos for Trump found out, just like the women for Trump are finding out, everybody who goes to partner With this regime for protection is going to get aft as hard as imaginably possible.And that's what's happening here.And Trump is defaulting to self preservation.And I don't think he is thinking much.other than I cannot face the consequences of what is going to come in November.

Yeah, and he's been pretty open about that in which I and what you I think you perfectly termed her his deathbed confessions, which he just makes more and more recently what he's worried about.He said the other day that he was going to be the last Republican president, which to me is like, maybe, maybe like, maybe like, yeah, like, yeah, man, burn it up.I kind of am on that.Maybe it's his wishful thinking for me, but I kind of do think that he's going to go out and try to burn it all down because he's fighting with the Senate right now.They're not happy about the deal.He's not happy that they won't give him the ballroom or give him the weaponization fund.

I'm really feeling that.I'm liking that.I'm liking the fighting.It's really delicious.

Well, and think about it like this.He is never going to, in an organized manner, say, here is our MAGA platform.Here's all the work we've done.Here you go, Marco.

Here you go, JD.They didn't have a platform in 2024.You're so right.

He's never going to pass the baton.He wants it to be, he wants to be the last.He's not thinking about succession.He would rather burn it all down.Just like Nick Fuentes said, I'm going to go vote blue because I'm so mad at the Republican Party.Does Nick Fuentes hate Democrats?

Yes, of course he does.These people are nihilists.They believe in nothing, but Trump believes in himself, and he would like to be the last Republican president.And that's, again, all of these Republicans, small government, independents, America first, patriots, they went to the most un -American piece of shit imaginable and they sought refuge and what is he gonna do to them?He's gonna screw them over Self -preservation and screwing people over that that is his ethos.

That's all it is Yeah, someone said the other day like there is no person that has ever engaged with Donald Trump who hasn't left Unsatisfied and scammed and ripped off and I know it's kind it's tough to say like it's coming Considering that we felt like 2015.Oh, you know He said this about John McCain, it's over.2016, you got the Access Hollywood tape, it's over.Okay, Trump first impeachment, maybe it's over.January 6th, this has got to be over.Epstein, we've been saying that for a while, but what specifically right now do you think is turned in a way?

Is it Epstein?Is it just like what's happening right now with Republicans that makes you think like, okay, maybe this is really the time where it does all start to fall apart?

Here's the thing.At this point, I expect Donald Trump to be exactly who he is and do exactly what he does every single day.He really exceeds my expectations.The new bisexuality stuff in his deathbed confession era, the incompetence, the replastering of the regime.pool, all of that stuff.I get it.

I understand it.All of this could have ended and could end at any time if Senator Thune and little Moses Mike had a pair of balls, and they don't.And during the Watergate era.The Republicans believed in America.They believed in the Constitution.They believed in the rule of law.

They believed in decency and integrity.They were conservatives.I wouldn't have voted for any of them, but they had character.This breed of Republican parties, Democrats must do brand damage.Donald Trump has shown the country who he is for 11 years now.All of our focus needs to be on doing reputational, decades -long brand damage to every single Republican that has refused to use their branch of government to check this criminal.

He is a dirty cop, surrounded by dirtier cops, and they are a criminal regime that commits crimes all the time.The Supreme Court is cooked.Thune and Little Grinder, Little Moses Mike is what I call him, they could actually step up and do something, and they don't.And I don't know that they're, I keep thinking, I've thought for 11 years, they're going to jump ship, they're going to jump ship.They never do.So I have zero expectations that the Republicans are going to check him.

The only thing that makes me think maybe is the money, right?The money that's been there for Tucker Carlson to start shitting on Trump, the audience that's there for Marjorie Taylor Greene to do it.Maybe that's a possibility.I want to talk about Trump's bisexuality.

I'm so glad that you brought this up.Yeah, it's one of my favorite subjects, yeah.

Like, so it's all about legs.It seems to be he's a male leg guy.He loves dude's legs.But he loves big strong guys, oily guys.But this also comes as like there was a there was athis reporting from maggie abraman and jonathan swan that's detailing so much about epstein so much about iran so much about the you know in a white house conflict him in milania do not sleep in the same room what a surprise they don't sleep in the same state Donald Trump has been stealing from her room, like he's been taking all the gold.

This is, I have not seen a lot of people talking about this.Do you think that Trump and Melania, I don't want to get into like the...I don't want to have to picture that.But do you think this is the reason he's been coming around to guys more?Do you think it's just his loneliness and the struggles in the relationship?

You have to realize this.This is something that's super important.Melania got paid $40 million to do a piece of shit documentary.Unwatchable, right?And in that documentary, nothing is done by accident.It's all intentional.

It's all purposeful.This is what I want to do.to project to the public that is my image.She went out of her way to let the American public know that she does not have sex with her husband.They said goodnight.He went one way to one bedroom.

She went one way to another bedroom.America 10 years ago, if Michelle got $40 million while she was in office, that would be a scandal.But of course, nobody does anything with that.And then if she said goodnight, Barack, and she turned and she wanted intentionally, that's by design, that's purposeful, that was left in that wasn't edited out, it was staged accordingly.She wanted the public to know, I do not have sex with this man.And I think that if you look back to Trump's past, if you look to his mentor, Rory Cohn, who was a homosexual, closeted for a very long time, very influential on Trump's life, I think the reason that

MAGA men are so obsessed with the LGBTQ plus community is some of them are bisexual.Some of them are closeted because I have, I can't even begin to tell you how many gay friends I have that do not talk about gay stuff.like the Republicans do.I've never seen a man constantly, as Donald Trump, every time he's around somebody attractive, that he seems to have a type, you know, think about Zoran, think about that UFC fighter, think about the Saudi print, all of them, he seems to have a, he can't stop himself.Because if you think back to like, the times you visited an elderly person in the nursing home, they get really honest, they get in their deathbed confession era, and it'd be like, oh, your grandmother, oh, Jack, you know, I always loved you a lot more than I did your brother.You were my favorite.

Don't tell Joey that.

And this is what Trump is doing.He can't help himself because he's less inhibited.He knows his own mortality is coming into focus.And I don't think he and Melania have slept together for years, but she She took in $40 million, and it wasn't to curate a traditional marriage.It wasn't to curate a traditional family.It did the exact opposite.

And this is the kind of stuff and the type of fodder that the MAGA conservatives, like, you know, little Moses Mike, would have a heyday about.Ted Cruz wouldn't go bananas if Barack and Michelle did something like this.They don't even sleep.What kind of man doesn't sleep with his wife?And I don't know if maybe we should just start talking about that all the time.Seriously, I really think they should.

I do.We're probably going to get put on the enemies list, but they're going after Tallarico right now because they say that he looks not manly.James Tallarico, I really like James Tallarico, so I don't want this to be taken out of the wrong context, but he is not some fiery,like getting that like, he's not like trying to change everything.And we're and he's not like some revolutionary figure.He's a great politician and seems like a very nice, smart young guy who cares.

And they're just trying to pretend like he's the worst person in the world.Because he's got a girlfriend and like likes broccoli every once in a while.

Here's the problem.here's the problem.I'm from that part of the country.Here's why they're transvestigating James Tallarico.James Tallarico exposes the fraudulent Christians within the Republican Party that weaponize their faith and preach a hellfire damnation, KKK style of Christianity.These Christians have a Jesus problem because Jesus is empathetic.

James Tallarico reminds people in the Bible Belt I use my faith to not judge people.Jesus Christ explicitly spoke out against the accumulation of wealth.It's not this 1%.It's, you know, the trans people.It's this 1%.And he exposes, and the Bible is explicit on this.

Jesus did not like rich people.I am not a Christian, but it is very explicit.they are trying to besmirch his character, because it is a real threat that somewhere in the psyche of the Bible Belt Christian voter, there could be an awakening.Oh, yeah, we are supposed to be nicer.We are supposed to be kinder.Juxtapose that with the family values what's his name, Paxton, who is, you know, would basically slap and tickle with a dead pig any chance he can get.

He has all sorts of indiscretions.His wife divorced him for biblical reasons, and we all know what that means.He f'd around, she found out, and turns, you know,he F's around all the time.Fraud, stealing, all sorts of stuff, everything the Bible preaches against.So, what do the MAGA regime is clinging on for dear life, because they got so much traction in the last election, pinning trans, less than 1 % of the population to Kamala.

So, they're clinging on to that for dear life, which I think is so important why we don't throw that community under the bus.And I think it's so important that we highlight constantly that the gay -obsessed, the trans -obsessed, the bisexual president -in -chief, the call is coming from inside the house.You know, there's a study they did.which communities consume the most trans porn, and they had a map of the United States of America.Much to my surprise, all of these uber red counties lit up like an intercontinental ballistic missile.And the number one leading consumer of trans porn is a place called Lawton, Oklahoma.

I know Lawton, Oklahoma because I'm from Oklahoma City.Lawton, Oklahoma is a military town.Redneck is all get out.A straight, white, Christian, God -fearing, you know, MAGA flags in the back of the truck.Well, it's a side hustle.They're all watching trans porn.

And so this is something that James Tallarico's true authentic Christianity is a real problem.And Texas keeps trending purple.It's on the precipice of going blue and they are shitting bricks.

Yeah, and it makes me think about something that someone said recently, your point about how clear it was in the Bible that Jesus hated rich people.There's also this idea that, oh, homosexuality is a sin, it's the worst thing, it's what we got to talk about all the time.I heard someone say, like,would you hurt if you went into a church in the South 50 years ago is that they would be talking about abortion, they'd be talking about homosexuality, and they'd be talking about how much they love Israel.And that's all the same.It doesn't change.

It was not the focus of the Bible.And you also have to think that if Jesus was constantly interacting with all sorts of people, then you would think that since we know people have been gay and humans and animals and everyone's been gay for thousands of years since the beginning of time, he might have bumped into a gay person or two.never said anything about that never really wanted to go on the record always want to go on the record about how horrible the wealthy are i want to close on this just because we're talking about how afraid the right is and they should be uh... they're very terrified of you they go after you a lot fox attacks you all the time people are not nice to you uh... and you tell them to fuck off and you don't really care and you have written the uh... the the fuck off of a book uh... and i i i want you to tell us a little bit about Oh my gosh, thank you so much.

So I wrote a book you guys, it's called Not Today Fascist.It comes out October 6th, a month before the midterms.You can go to my Instagram profile, I've had a podcast or my personal one, Ms. Welch, M -I -Z -Z Welch.I made that in 2009.I'm just never going to change it.Anyway, you can click the link.

Shout out to 2009.

It is what it is.And you can click the link and you can pre -order it.I talk about the link.from my observations growing up an atheist in the Bible Belt, people ask me all the time, Jack, how do these Christians, how do they support Trump?And for me, I'm like, oh, my God, he's exactly like an evangelical preacher.Slick, lying, obsessed with money, grifting, you know, over -the -top gold embellishments.

To me, it always made perfect sense that they all went to support him 84 years ago.the evangelical right -wing movement.And so I kind of talk about that through line of fascism capturing a middle American.It starts with authoritarian religion, authoritarian parenting, primes the psychological soil for authoritarian government.

Yeah, and I think right now People are you just have to hope waking up to it a little bit more Independent media has been so important in that and showing people that they can actually combat it and your show as well No one is more independent.No one is more outspoken No one is more, you know on the beat of donald trump and melania trump not having sex.We should be talking about this more They're gonna put us on a list, but it's okay.We'll be on the list together.

It's okay I would wear the list as a badge of honor.I mean we we mustn't obey in advance We must use our rights while we have them you get to as much as Horrible as I thought that UFC fighter was and what he said on the White House property about Michelle Obama Which I condemn everything he said we have it's a free country.They they're showing us who they are He gets to say that I hate it.I think it's a poor taste Just weird as shit hateful racist all the stuff But he gets to say that and we get to point out the fact that Melania intentionally says, I'm not fucking that guy.And I want everybody to know.And that's pretty interesting coming from the traditional family value people.

I think it's important to point out.I think we got to talk about this stuff.And you're right.Like they do tell us who they are.And they also tell us who they are when they go after you or they go after me or they go after Hassan, whether it be Fox or the corporate Democrats, but it doesn't matter.I'm going to keep calling them out.

I so, so much appreciate you joining me on Sunday for the show.You are an inspiration.Everybody, everybody loves you.And I just, I appreciate Jen all the time so much.

Well, you know, you're a close personal friend of mine.So your viewers can know that Jack and I are good friends.We talk on the phone.the phone, and that's the great thing for all of you that are watching, that watch left -wing independent media.We're all friends.We text each other, we support each other, and so it's beyond just what you all see on screen.

So, Jack, thank you so much.Good luck with your Sunday show.I'm so proud of you.

Oh, thank you, Jen.Go buy the book, people.Everyone go buy the book.Bye, Jen.

Bye.

Always so fantastic speaking with my good friend Jennifer Welch.And I'm going to say it again.I got to plug it again because Jen is the best.Do go out and purchase her book.Jen is fantastic.I love her show.

I'm sure you do as well.And the book is going to be just as great with that signature Jennifer Welch charm and quick wits.And we got more to talk about, as we always do on Sunday.Senator Mark Warner is joining us to talk about something that's certainly not a laughing matter.That is the intelligence threats that Donald Trump may well be using to upend the midterms.We're going to cover it all with Senator Mark Warner.

Senator Warner, thank you so much for joining me on Sunday.

Thank you so much.

I want to start with a story that I think has been a little undercovered in the national press right now, and that is just how bad Bill Pulte is and how dangerous he is.Donald Trump right now is trying to block a confirmation hearing for Jay Clayton as the next director of national intelligence, trying to extend the tenure of Bill Pulte.Can you speak to the unique way that he is a risk to both our national security, but also another underdiscussed element of this story?It's all our election security.

Well, remember that the director of national intelligence was set up in 2004 in a law in the aftermath of 9 -11.Its goal was to try to coordinate.We literally have 18 different intelligence agencies and provide that coordination.In the law, it said whoever this person is got to have national security experience.And secondly, if the law says if for any reason the director of national intelligence leaves, the person who becomes acting is the number two.And in the case of the director of national intelligence, there is a career professional number two.

I didn't vote for, but, you know, would have met the criteria.I was literally I couldn't didn't think Trump could still surprise me this much.Bill Pulte was completely pulled out of thin air.Mr. Pulte, to our knowledge, does not even have a security clearance.Mr. Pulte, who is he was in third generation and a mortgage company, and I believe was actually pushed out by the company.But his his his only thing that makes him popular with Donald Trump is he is a total loyalist to Donald Trump.

And Bill Pulte was able to take a fairly benign job overseeing the Fannie and Freddie in the mortgage industry and literally take private information about Trump's enemies like Lisa Cook at the Federal Reserve, or Adam Schiff, or Tish James, the New York Attorney General, and take that private mortgage information and try to weaponize it.Now, thank goodness the courts kind of turned him down when they tried to bring those cases.But, you know, so this guy is a complete Trump toady.And he is now being rewarded with the potential to have exposure to all of our national security secrets.That is a huge risk.Even if he wasn't a Trump loyalist, he would be a huge risk because he doesn't have any background.

It doesn't have any experience.It's a risk that he might share information inadvertently or on purpose.It is a risk that I hear from other Trump intelligence officials saying, oh my gosh, this is really awful.It's a risk I hear in terms of our allies not being willing to share intelligence.The way we share intelligence with allies is all based on trust and, you know, ourthey going to tell about their best spies to us if Bill Pulte can't keep a secret, at least, or doesn't seem to respect confidential information?

So it is a it's a bit of a disaster.I think Trump then acknowledged that maybe he had made a mistake a week ago and said, well, Pulte will just be acting for a short period of time.So Trump proposed a new individual, this guy, Jay Clayton, who I've known, And I like respect.I think many Democrats probably wouldn't have voted for him, but but at least he has the experience.And I have tough questions for him about, for example, elections in a remarkable move.Again, Donald Trump said he got pissed off that the Senate was actually moving to confirm his nominee, Jay Clayton, too quickly, which is insane.

And and so yesterday with kind of like he jerked.Mr. Clayton from being able to appear.So we don't know when he's going to appear, when he's going to come back.So we have now starting tomorrow, or I'm sorry, starting Monday, we'll see Pulte show up at the DNI.And the damage she could do is incredible.And then just quickly on the elections issue, we've seen the previous director of national intelligence who had huge issues with Tulsi Gabbard inappropriately use her job.

Her job is to look at foreign threats.Her job is to look at foreigners, not domestic.She showed up when the FBI was rating the ballot totals in Fulton County, Georgia, in Atlanta.It was totally inappropriate, totally wrong.But my concern with Mr. Pulte, if he has no allegiance to the law or security, but only to Donald Trump, that he could take a fabricated piece of intelligence or a single piece of intelligence that may or may not be true, and that be used toexcuse to bring ice at the polls or troops at the polls or, you know.

stop elections, because, again, Mr. Trump has made quite clear over the last number of months that he still can't get over the fact he lost in 2020.And he has said, I think I heard on one report 200 times, that the only way he or the Republicans could lose in this fall is if there's cheating at the elections.Well, if you've got somebody who would feed into that false narrative, potentially, in Bill Pulte, that really goes to the heart of our election integrity as well.

And what is it – of course, Tulsi Gabbard was raiding ballots.They're probably trying to kick people off of voter rolls.What is it specifically that worries you with regards to election security?Of course, ICE at the polls, these threats generally.But as it relates to Pulte, what is the specific worry, the action that he might be able to take?

He could claim, whether there is a source of intelligence or not, that China's going to do it.I don't think he'll claim Russia because it seems like Mr. Trump also has this bizarre affection for Vladimir Putin.But he could claim China.He could claim that there was Iran.He could claim that there might be a terrorist threat around polling stations.All is used as an excuse to try to shut down the election.

So we don't know what the specific allegation might be.One of the things I've been working on is also getting former senior intelligence officials from both Democrat and Republican administrations to kind of say, if some of this funny business is pulled, that they will speak up and say, hold on here.You know, where's the back?Where's the back story?Where is the validation?You know, are you going to brief the so -called gang of eight, of which I'm a member, or are you just making this junk up?

Yeah.And it seems like that would be pretty plausible as what Donald Trump would want to do.He's communicated in the past.about his interest in a war potentially stopping elections in the United States from happening.And given where the current polling stands, it seems like that's something that Donald Trump would be very interested in.And that's in large part because of his failed war on Iran.

I want to talk about the supposed deal or at least the memorandum of understanding that Donald Trump has signed.And some in his mouthpieces in the media are trying to tout as the greatest thing ever.Most of them are actually pushing back.And it's very interesting to me the select few who are really pushing back, Ben Shapiro, Mark Levin.You said at the beginning of this war that there was no imminent threat to the United States, but only a supposed imminent threat that at least Benjamin Netanyahu and the Israelis were trying to say was being posed from Iran against Israel.And you said viewing that imminent threat, To Israel, as an imminent threat to the United States was completely uncharted territory.

Now, since then, of course, we've seen Israel consistently, I would say, act against U .S.interests in ending this war by continuously violating ceasefires, international law.According to CNN right now, Israel is pushing media figures to try to pressure Donald Trump.and to either ending the deal or trying to create more favorable terms for Israel.In the past few months since the beginning of this war, how has your view of the U .

S.

-Israel relationship changed?Well, I think it's been fractured.I think that Prime Minister Netanyahu thought he had this incredibly close tie with Donald Trump and that he could convince him to do most things.And the one thing that is the case, and I think Virtually everybody has learned this.At the end of the day, Donald Trump cares about one thing and that's Donald Trump.And the fact that he is declaring victory after Iran.

I'm glad he's into the conflict.We don't need more soldiers killed.We're not going to bomb the Iranians into submission.Obviously, the effect that it's had on the economy and gas prices, devastating.But there is, as good a salesman as Donald Trump is, there is no way that Donald Trump is going to convince anyone, other than complete sycophants, that America's better off now than they were at the end of February when he started his war of choice.Certainly.

And if you think that that relationship is fractured, what are the steps that you think you and your colleagues in the Senate should take to change the nature of that relationship?

I think we have to hold – I think we need to sometimes separate the people of Israel from the Israeli government, just as I think we asked the rest of the world to sometimes separate the American people from the current American government in terms of Donald Trump.And I think things like trying to presume the idea that Israel should stop the war in Lebanon, if that actually happens, but I doubt it will.I think it also has been a huge mistake within Israel to simply become, where Israel used to be a bipartisan issue, where Israel and the Israeli government in particular has said, all right, we're just going to side entirely with the Republicans.We're going to side entirely with Donald Trump.We are not going to try to build a bipartisan sense of support for the right of Israel to exist.And I think that strategy, as we see this even further deterioration between Netanyahu and Trump, is not good long term for Israel.

And I think this was a conscious political decision that the prime minister made.And I think it iscoming back to bite him.

Certainly, and the continuation of the strikes and the invasion of southern Lebanon has also been deeply damaging to the United States and that it's prolonged this war.What are the powers that you think the Senate needs to be using to pressure Israel into stopping what we just saw again, more bombing of southern Lebanon?Don't democratic senators need to be leading the charge on putting pressure on Israel to stop in the benefit of the United States?

I've been a longtime supporter of Israel, but I got to the breaking point.on the last set of resolutions and voted for one of them to make sure that the settlers were not continuing to do, I think, outrageous things on the West Bank and to use, for example, bulldozers in southern Lebanon to destroy Lebanese homes.I think you will see more of that coming forward.And I do think that as someone who still very much believes Israel has a right to defend itself, they have made a strategic error by putting all their eggs in the basket of Donald Trump.And we will see how this continues to play out.Now, one of the things it'll be interesting to see that one of the things of this condition of the so -called Memorandum of Understanding and the irony that Donald Trump signed it at Versailles, nobody must have been a history.

There have been more bad treaties of Versailles over historical times than you can count.And the idea he didn't realize he was walking into like a historical precedent disaster is telling as well.But remember, part of this agreement is supposedly that Israel and Lebanon will stop fighting, and we'll see what the Trump administration does if that fighting doesn't stop.

Of course, the shift in public opinion against Israel, a dramatic shift, especially in the Democratic Party, has been certainly one of the talking points and one of the most important ones.things that's happening in terms of a change in our party.I also think some legislation that you've been leading on with regards to data centers has been as well.You've seen huge opposition to not only the cost, but is this just a complete waste, the building of this infrastructure?You've moved forward legislation to make sure that Virginians aren't paying for the cost of these data centers.But would you also support legislation that Bernie Sanders is proposing using to put a moratorium on the building of AI data centers?

I don't think moratorium is going to put the AI genie back in the bottle.We are going to be grappling with AI for the future.We've already seen, for example, one of the things that's not gotten much attention is one of the AI companies, Anthropic, actually shared with our government a new model called Methos that could break into all of our classified networks.We are entering into a realm of you know, potentially even existential issues.My bill, though, was to say, all right, if you were going to be a federal standard, that if you're going to build a data center, one, you got to get local approval.So you can't lie to the locality, you have to disclose what the terms are.

And the data center shouldn't pass on any cost of electricity, water, backup power need to be set back from communities.And what we've not laid this out entirely.And what I would do is take away the data center and the tech companies' ability to claim accelerated depreciation on their taxes if they don't meet these standards.So you need a requirement and you need a stick.And I think that is a good combination.There is a linkage between the use of tax benefits to build these, if you're taking those away, if you don't meet certain criteria.

There are other ways.I know Bernie's got an effort to actually take equity in a lot of the AI companies.Actually, OpenAI even suggested that.I've not taken a position on that yet.I don't think that's the right way, but I want to think it through.There's also been efforts to say, well, let's charge a token tax because how AI measures their usage is tokens or how much electricity they're using.

The challenge with those approaches though is what we don't want to do, since AI is not going to go back in the bottle, is to push American entities to using Chinese models that are open source and cheaper because many of those Chinese models, I think, pose huge national security risk.This is an area that is extraordinarily complicated.The low -hanging fruit, though, is let's make sure that the data centers pay their fair share and the communities get to make that decision whether they want them or not.There are still parts of Virginia, for example, that want these data centers, but they sure as hell ought to know what they're getting into before they make those commitments.

I know you're very busy, so just one last question on this.Do you think the inevitability rhetoric kind of hurts the party as a whole and is just damaging to the idea that government can do these big things, saying that kind of AI is here, the rhetoric around data centers that of course there is large opposition to?If we're saying that it's kind of here and we have to deal with it rather than be leading on it, do you think that's damaging?

Well, I think leading on, putting responsible restrictions on data centers make an enormous amount of sense.But even if you had a national moratorium on data centers, the data centers will pop up across the border in Mexico, or across the border in Canada.There is, we cannot, we have unfortunately, and this is just, I would argue with anybody on this factually based, the models are moving ahead so quickly.And This will not be put back in the bottle and that there ought to be responsible sets of legislation out and sure as heck the tech companies ought to be paying more.And we got to make sure that there is a transition for workers that are displaced.That's where I'm going to spend my time.

I'm not, you know, and as well, trying to make sure, because we have the reality of this already, before these models, new models are released, like the one I mentioned, Methos or any others, there's got to be testing.We are talking about the possibility of some of these models making things so vulnerable that you could, I don't want to sound alarmist, but you could have planes fall out of the sky.You could have financial systems shut down.We are approaching points where we've got to have guardrails.And we failed miserably on this with social media.I had bipartisan legislation for years.

We can't fail again on AI without putting some guardrails in place.

I completely agree, and I appreciate the time.Thank you so much, Senator.

Thank you, as always.

Take care.A very important conversation with Senator Warner, and I am looking forward for circling back sometime soon on that conversation around data centers.A lot to get into on that issue.I think I'm siding with Bernie, though.But we'll be, of course, talking about that on this show and in mine all the time, because that's what we should be doing in the independent media, asking questions, pushing back, demanding answers.And when you do that, you end up like David Pakman.

on a list with the White House calling you a media offender.David and I talked all about that.I hope you enjoy.David Pakman, always great to be joined by an enemy of the state.Thank you so much for being here on Sunday.Always good to talk to you.

Well, you have you've been sharing a lot about the the targeting that the Trump administration is carrying out against yourself other media offenders like Brian Tyler Cohen But what was the what was like the moment where you saw you were on the list?Did someone text you like how did it all go down when you real cash Patel knock on the door?It was like beady -eyed in your face.

No, it was very very Anticlimactic I was just seeing what people were talking abouton my subreddit and someone posted very casually, Hey, why is David on a white house list?That's how I found out.

Well, shout out to the subreddit for holding it down.Like, was your first thought like, well, this is embarrassing for them.This is great for me.Like, obviously you never want to be an enemy of the state, even if it's like this terrible regime, like They send people to Nancy Pelosi's house.They beat down the Capitol.They're not going to like troll you on Twitter.

This is like a inherently violent movement.Were you more like embarrassed for them?Were you worried at first?Like what were the series of emotions?

I was feeling two things at the same time.So on the one hand, yes, these are violent people.These are nasty people.We all get death threats.We all kind of understand that.And so when this happens or a couple months prior when Caroline Leavitt and Don Jr. retweeted Stephen Chung's attack on me.

Immediately that stuff goes up and the emails come in and the these are at least people willing to threaten violence very willy nilly and sometimes do it.So that's one side of it.The other side of it is though, hold on a second.Even reasonable people who disagree with me know the ugly history of government enemies lists.And we think about Putin, we think about Orbán, we think about all these places.And so my instinct was there's a lot of people who are about to come to my defense and it has just been an outpouring of people saying, I agree with you and I'm coming to your defense.

And even also I disagree with you, but this is, this is disgusting.And it's been flattering in a way, to be honest.Well, who's the most shocking?

Oh, they're defending me now.Interesting.Who's that then?

It's not well -known people.It's just people who write to me and go, listen, I've been listening to you for a while, not because I agree, but because I disagree.And I want to know what the other person thinks.saying, but this is an ugly thing and this is beyond the pale and this is anti -democratic.There's one profession that's protected in the constitution and the bill of rights and it's a free press and you're part of that.And, and, and I appreciate hearing that from people.

Yeah, I think the First Amendment might be the most misunderstood thing discussed in our politics.doing?Do you think that, like, I wonder if we haven't done enough on free speech.And by that, I mean, like, frame the right as whiny little babies using the power of this state.Do you think the party has done that enough?Like, I think the media, like us and independent media are, but like, are Democrats doing enough?

No, I don't think so.And you know, this goes even back to the COVID days where when platforms had terms and conditions and enforce them, you had all these MAGA people, Trump supporters going, First Amendment violations.It's like, hold on a second.The First Amendment has to do with the government.Twitter having terms of service has nothing to do with the First Amendment.However, then Trump swept in and tried to strong arm the platforms and say to them, you must publish COVID disinformation.

And they celebrated that, but it's like, guys, that's what we're talking about.The government involved in compelling or restricting speech.I don't, I don't listen.Do I think Democrats have done enough?No.Is there enough that could even be done to get this into the thick skulls of some of these people?

I don't know because I don't think they want to see it, Jack, to a certain degree.

Yeah.And that's also the problem, like with being right, where when we're not defending, because like, I don't think through any of this, you're like, I feel very strongly about the meta corporation.And I want to protect their right to do whatever it is.But like, we are technically, although it is not true, like, in that sense, People see us as aligned with the big social media companies.That's not true.I don't want to be on that side.

That's just why I wonder.And I've had this conversation so much with attacks on colleges and attacks on reporters, Jimmy Kimmel to Stephen Colbert.I wonder how we do reframe it for the people with the thick, The thick and hollow thing going on in there.

I mean, I think the best thing we can do, I really do think is use their language and values to show how they're actually on the wrong side and say, hey, listen, we are for liberty.and freedom of speech and allowing people to get out what they want to get out.And a lot of that action, the stuff that we do is protected by the first amendment and really just taking back the way they've tried to monopolize patriotism to mean you go along with any war that the president says.That's that they've tried to take back that we just need to take back that we are actually the defenders of allowing people to say what they want to say.And importantly, you got to this, you kind of alluded to this.Consequences to speech are also not violations of people's First Amendment rights.

Speech can have consequences and all of it is speech.

Yeah, I think that I think that the example that we kind of on this that we just kind of flubbed not making a bigger deal was remember in like 2020 or 2022 like that stretch when it was just the angriest white women in the world yelling at preschool and elementary school teachers about the books that they just like hadn't read.classrooms.And it's like for a teacher to like get books in the classroom, it's usually like them buying it.So they just like were attacking these people.And that more than anything was like trying to go after speech.I do think that like the book ban stuff, I don't know, maybe it's not the most compelling in a time in which like people just can't afford anything.

So they're probably not worried about like the color purple, but like, I just wonder if there is a kind of sticky example and are there others of these that you think that like that we can find on the right of like the sticky example and kind of day to day life of the annoying big government or, you know, big surveillance type, you know, right toys who just like want to get involved in all that you have to say and think.

I think having those examples is sometimes one of the most effective things where there's like a visceral, intuitive reaction to it.We, we should think of what more of those are.I mean, the, the other kind of depressing thing about the yelling at teachers is this is the Trumpian, um, trend of, actual experts don't know anything.And it was happening, remember Jack, at the same time where Trump knew more than generals, Trump knew more than doctors, and every MAGA parent knew more than professional educators.

That was more than the Pope.Yeah.It's like it's all of those things at the same time.Yeah.Yeah.There is the weird like MAGA individualism when it is both like we're in the cult and we do what Donald Trump says, but also at the same time, it's like we are like able to make decisions about everything for ourselves and we shouldn't have to listen to anyone except the one guy who has no idea what they're talking about.

That's exactly right.It's such a flawed way of thinking.I just do really struggle.What are the other examples that we can find?Or do you think that they're doing enough work to erode the idea even with the people that you say just disagree with you and maybe listen to the show because they disagree with you?Do you think we should just let them continue?

shoot themselves in the foot or like do we need to do we need to find these examples that are culturally salient?

I think it's important and useful to find them and also a really good strategy for me when dealing with these people now for a long time is give them the rope they need to hang themselves and don't interrupt people when they're doing a good job screwing up their own arguments.

Yeah.How are you doing that right now with the White House?Just talking about it all the time, you think?

Yeah, I mean, listen, it seems as though what really triggered the White House to put me on this list of liberal lunatic media offenders was talking about Donald Trump's health because that is what generated initially the retweets from Caroline Leavitt and Don jr against me.And that is what is cited on my page at whitehouse .gov.And so whatever you believe is going on with Trump's health.And I think part of the problem is we don't actually know and we should know because this is the president of the United States, oldest president ever.I think continuing to talk about it and listen, if they want to come and sue me for defamation, that opens them to discovery that opens them to a whole bunch of problems that I can't imagine they're going to want to deal with.

Yeah, I want to let people behind the curtain a little bit real quick with like the discussion kind of like be directed by his handlers at a rally and like presidents know exactly where to move.Like I remember Fox or you know some MAGA outlet ran a Joe Biden health scandal where there was like tape on the ground that said president stands here but it's like they do that so the president is standing in the mosteffective and efficient place for him to move quickly and not be harmed.It's a safety thing, but Trump doesn't know where he is.But like the behind the curtain thing, I was asking you like, when you're talking on your show, because we think about the way that we want to talk about Trump's health, you're not just like, guy fell asleep, like, you know, sleepy, sleepy disaster over here.You want to frame it in the context of like, Why does this matter?

Because it matters and impacts us.What has been the, this is the result of Trump's deteriorating health for you that makes it so much more important than just a story about maybe the coverup or his health itself?

One of the, so there's the coverup, there's his health, there's the hypocrisy with how this was the most important thing when Joe Biden looked the wrong direction.And then meanwhile, they're taking a picture at the G7.Everyone's looking this way.and Trump's hunched over like this, almost catatonic.There's all that stuff, right?But there's reporting now.

that Iran has and continues to use what they describe as Trump's mental illness against him in the negotiations.Yes.This has national security implications.This has foreign policy implications.So like we can play the political games of like, you know, remember when Biden supposedly was waving to no one and then like when there was a wide shot, you were like, oh, he was waving to the people on the edge of the stage.That stuff is a big deal because of the hypocrisy but there's national foreign policy implications here as well that I don't think are getting attention that they deserve.

And it's just like the level of weakness, the level of weakness.And I think that's what so much of all of this comes back to for him personally is like, whether or not he's popular, whether or not he's like, let me, let me float a conspiracy at you as we're, you know, currently seeing the Strait of Hormuz open, closed, open, closed.We're doing that same thing again.Trump was with,Macron at the beginning of the G7, and he said when they were kind of wrapping up and a little bit of niceties, like, I would like it if you sent a military vessel to the Strait.Like, we're going to be open.

It's all good.I'd like you to send a military vessel.That was one of two things for me.This is my little conspiracy.This is where I put the tinfoil hat on.

You always have some conspiracy.You float and I love it.

It is why I just, I mean, you know, this is, this is the, this is the job a little bit.It's a little news, a little conspiracy, but it was two, it was two conspiracies.I think the first is, is a little like less crazy, which is Trump is still so hurt and sad and still feels so weak from the fact that nobody would let him land our B -52s or any of our planes.You can't land at our air bases, and we're not sending military vessels.So he wanted to be like, well, no, they ultimately did, so you can't use that against me. I think that was part of it.The second thing is like, I think that he doesn't think the war is over and he's just trying to dip everyone's hands in now when there's a bit of a moment of peace, right?

There's a moment of it's kind of cooling down.Maybe things are okay.And I think he wants something to happen to another country so we can drag him in.Agree or disagree on that theory.

I think, so the first one assumes more careful forethought than I think Trump is capable of.So I'm not too sure on that first one.I do think, you know, this has sort of been like Schrodinger's war in the sense that like, it's not a war when it's inconvenient for it to be a war.And it's a war when it helps Trump look strong when he thinks he can say that he's winning a war, right?So it's like, it's mad libs.It is a war and it isn't a war.

I think on some level Trump knows like the 30th time you say we're almost there.And I know that we finally got the letter signed, but the letter triggers 60 days of negotiation.The best he can hope to get is a weaker version of Obama's nuclear deal.I do think he'sincentivized to pull in anyone he can so that it muddies the water if there are failures as to who really failed and it creates justifications for this thing not really ending during this negotiation period.I think it's an insurance policy.

Yeah, I think that makes sense.And you might be right about the fact that that's too much 4D chess for Donald Trump.I just think that like he is, I think he's like God is his feelings deeply hurt right now by all the world leaders.Even Netanyahu, who yesterday he posted an article that was like, Trump holds all the cards for Netanyahu's chances at re -election, which is really funny because if he did, you might think that Trump would use that to get Israel to stop violating ceasefire and the striking of Southern Lebanon, and that Trump might use any of that leverage.He hasn't.And then you have the Maloney thing where he's like, she loves me.

Do you how much of this do you think is just like the personal relationship problem that Trump has, like that he's just sad and he feels lonely?

A lot of it, I believe, is relational.And in fact, I think Trump's priorities right now, as he is potentially months from becoming a complete and total lame duck, if Republicans lose the House, this is where his obsession with irreversible accomplishments comes in.He knows a lot of the things.Executive orders at the end of the day are memos.I would like you to do something.They don't implement anything in and of themselves.

And so when you look at the trends, can we acquire more land?Greenland?What about Venezuela as the 51st state?Can we destroy part of the White House and build something different?A lot of these things are potentially less reversible.And so he's 80.

He's got very limited time left in the Oval Office.I think he's thinking of what can I do that's not just going to be reversed by the next person right away.And that's where a lot of this is coming from.So I think it is sadness.It's concerned with legacy.It's his poles are in the toilet.

It's all of those things.

That's just so like.And again, going back to the health thing, it is so scary that decisions are being made with the thought of him dying, like in his own head, like that he is making decisions about himself dying.Because, you know, we talk a lot and I think this has been increasing topic of conversation, they know, like, of course, our elected officials, the establishment, like these people are out of touch, right?But as you have an increasingly older, you know, geriatric Congress, Bernie Sanders is 84 years old.Bernie Sanders is talking about, you know, public ownership of AI.Bernie is on top of everything.

It's not to say that you can't be 84 and thinking ahead, but like, that is a, that is a scary thought, isn't it?Just like how much of it is baked into his own mortality.

Very much so.And I spoke with Robert Reich the other day who hilariously is 10 days younger than Trump.So I guess that means he's like a couple days from turning 80 right now and looks and sounds great.It's so sharp.But but he said something interesting, which is as good as he feels, he has the wherewithal to know he at 79 and 362 days.would not be the ideal president simply because of what's required of the person.

And he, Robert Reich has as sharp as he is, he has the wherewithal to go.I'm not at my peak right now.And Trump insists he's healthier than Obama was at age 47.And so there is this kind of delusional aspect to it as well.

Yeah, it really is.And I think it was made so much more profound when you saw Zoran running up and down the streets of New York, high -fiving people, hitting a lean back with Kat like he was hanging out and having a great time.You're like, this is a young guy.Thank God.What was your takeaway after seeing the difference between Trump melting down, Trump screwingTrump upset.

And then I'm posting wild shit on truth social on the same day that the Obamas are opening their library and Zoran is celebrating the Knicks.

Were you thinking like - The contrast is just crazy.I mean, it's a crazy contrast to see it because I think a lot of people who are now following Trump They're young enough that they don't necessarily remember what it was like to have Obama as president.They know Obama, right?They know Obama as the guy who used to be president.And I was pretty young when Obama came to power.But then at the end of Obama's two terms, you know, I was already doing doing the show and whatnot.

And it is an incredible contrast in so many ways.Obviously, the way that Barack Obama is able to synthesize ideas into language in a way that language period, but also the just who showed up look at the UFC fight, right?F list celebrities and whatnot.And look at the people that respect former president Obama and are supporting the launch of the presidential center.And it's a contrast in so many ways.And you're pointing out the difference in energy.

And of course that's part of it as well.

No, it certainly is.And I think it's something that people also feel with like we opened our conversation talking about you being targeted.But it's like what people feel with independent media, that there is that there is something to it.I've said consistently, you know, the gauge of how much you should trust someone right now is how upset they are.Right.Is like is how is how angry they are, how outraged they are and like displaying it and acting on it.

And I think that's that's something that we've we've all done.You've channeled it, obviously, into your your empire of a show.You also are out with a new book soon.

I have a new book.And you know what's so funny?During the release of my first book, which was now a little while ago, someone from within the Trump sphere tried to get Amazonnot to sell my book and my book was not the only one on this list.Brian Tyler Cohen's first book was on there.There was a list of about a dozen books and Amazon did not play with that and my book remained for sale.

The second book that's coming out September 22nd.Not only am I now on a list, which makes me more fearful that the book is going to be targeted, but the book is about how these social media algorithms can be manipulated and used by bad actors to promote bad ideas, which is quite literally.the Trump 10 years of politics and, and how that worked.So we don't know what's going to happen with my publisher, with everybody.We're, we're kind of strategizing, but the best thing people can do is just pre -order the book, which makes it less likely anybody's going to delist it.So check it out.

It's davidpacman .com slash attention.If people like audio book, signed copy, whatever it's available.Um, but we're, we're sort of like gearing up for what may be a legal fight around this book.Well, then you then you got to get it, guys.

You got you got to go.You got to go and they have packed out with a new book.Speaking speaking of Amazon, did you see that they're not allowing people to review J .D.Vance's book on Amazon?You can't leave reviews because it's I did not know that.

I did not know that.

Yeah, this there's been a bunch of these right wing books where the reviews are terrible.And I'm not totally shocked that they're doing that.

No, it's not a surprise, but I think maybe we can have a little healthy competition, you and JD, so you can be - Get the highest rating.No, I was going to say moving more copies, right?He's using Air Force Two and our taxpayer dollars to go on his book tour.I don't think that any of the money that I paid in April is going to go to your book tour, although I will get a copy.Hopefully we can get a signed copy over here.

Absolutely.And what's funny is JD's book tour hasn't gone that well.When he was on The View, Did he convince anybody watching the view the way that went to buy a copy of that thing?I don't know.

No, it was funny that some people had to take away.What was it?It was joy.they were putting on an act.It's like, yes, they are.They're bad people putting on an act.

Some of them are very nice interpersonally.And in other words, they're fine with systems discriminating against people, but they'll be perfectly nice to whoever they meet.But that doesn't mean they should be voted into power, which is almost worse.

Like I'd kind of rather like not, not that I liked the moment of the, you know, disgusting UFC fighter attacking Michelle Obama, but I'm just like, There there it is America like they're like you got the sloppy guy fucking with the he was spitting all over himself.I think that was a gag but like before the fight pretending that he was drunk.It's like that's that's them.I don't I really don't like the guys.I don't like the you know, I just wish we could be nice to each other.And maybe again, this is what you said about I'm a person who grew up in the Trump era.

Like I want to know how bad you are.Don't, don't, don't put on the mask, but I agree with that.

And it reminds me of these, uh, usually Republicans who basically vote and advocate anti LGBT rights for a long time.And then all of a sudden it's like, Oh, you know, I changed my view because it turns out my nieces is a lesbian or my son is gay.It's like great that you revisited your views and also Couldn't you just have put yourself in the position of someone?Like, why did it have to be personal for you to go?Maybe I'm not advocating for the right things.

That is.That's funny.That's an argument that you see with not to hate on.And this is not me hating on my liberal guys out there.But sometimes you see the argument from liberal guys about, like, you know, women's rights issues.And it's like, imagine if that was your mom.

Imagine if that was your sister.It's like, No, imagine if that was a person with feelings and inherent value because those are the -that, like that's the value of, of the West, right?What did we talked about these inalienable rights?Like, was it, wasn't that our whole thing?I don't know.

We could go on forever.Uh, and when we'll probably, we'll hopefully have you on again.And again, before that book comes out, could we get one more plug because Donald Trump does not want to it's David Pakman .

com slash attention, the physical copy, the signed copy, audio book, Kindle, all that stuff is there.

Go get it.Read the book.It's going to be fantastic.And again, man, thank you so much for joining me on Sunday.Thanks for having me.Always great chatting with my friend David Pakman.

And now, for our time -honored tradition on Sunday, the Idiot of the Week.And unfortunately, this week's idiot is somebody that I used to like.Actor Rainn Wilson, best known for his portrayal of Dwight Trout on The Office.And then nothing else after that.So inevitably in the last few years, rain has followed the grifting path of other washed up stars by pivoting to commentary on the so -called culture war.And like every other dried up hack this week, he went on Fox news to give one of the laziest, most tired takes imaginable.

I do feel like you couldn't make the office today.

I think that would be too hard, uh, to, uh, be as politically incorrect as the show was.It's called The Paper.It's set in the same exact universe, same mockumentary style, nearly all of the same types of jokes made by the same people, and it's airing its second season as we speak.Actually, in fact, if you turned on a TV at this exact moment, there's a real chance The Office itself is playing on like three different channels.It is the most streamed show in America.It outlived your career, Rain, and now you're on Fox telling people it's It's been canceled.

by the woke libs.And it's not just The Office.Other edgy comedies are more popular than ever.Unfortunately, Kill Tony just got its own comedy special on Netflix.God help us all.But really great comedies that have a little bit of grit to them, they're crushing.

Take a look at It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.It's the longest -running American live -action sitcom, and it's entering its 18th season.South Park, still going strong, there's so many others that I can name.The You Couldn't Make It Today take is the single most overused, really self -flattering line imaginable, delivered by people who aren't making anything today, and it's almost always nonsense.Dwight Trout is literally trying to say, my thing was edgy and dangerous and brave, and the cowardly culture today could never hide a stapler in Jell -O.Like, what's so bad about that?

Rain, nothing is being censored.You are allowed to be as offensive as you want.Audiences just get to decide if it's funny or not.And that apparently to these people is tyranny.And by the way, this is a guy who has spent more energy in the last year praising Charlie Kirk and going on Fox to complain about liberal bias than actually working as an actor.He's figured out the grift.

You take a beloved thing, that everybody still loves, by the way.You stand on the biggest right -wing platform in the country and you tell a scared audience that the bad guys, they took it away from you.They're coming for the office.You get people to feel something that they love has been stolen or is under attack by the blue -haired libs, they get angry, and the anger keeps the Fox News audience watching.And you get to be relevant again on the back of a show that made you relevant in the first place 20 years ago.And what have you done since?

Nothing.I think he was, like, in the meg.If you think you can't be funny anymore, Rain, maybe the problem isn't the culture.Maybe it's you.You idiot of the week.But before we wrap up on this Sunday, I have to acknowledge that it is Father's Day.

And so we're going to bring in one final guest, the most important guest on this show.Sorry, Bernie.My brother, Joey.Joe, happy, I guess not happy Father's Day to you, unless there's something you haven't told me about you and your girlfriend.

Nothing yet, man.Nothing yet.No, none of that yet.But happy Father's Day to dad, for sure.

Happy Father's Day to our dad, Dave.I hope you're watching.If you're not, feelings hurt and I rescind the Happy Father's Day.But I guess this is an interview.I don't know if I prepped you on this, but this is an interview.So I have to ask, what is your favorite thing?

And you're on the spot here.What is your favorite thing about our dad?

Man, that's a tough question.But I think the first thing that always comes to my mind is I feel like dad's always been like a guiding light for us.You know, when things are confusing and you know, we have questions, we can always, you know, go to dad, dad, dad can always lead us in the right direction.You know, he's never, he's never been the anchor that's holding us back or even, you know.pushing us forward.He's always just showing us, you know, hey, head this direction and, uh, and letting us learn on our own.

So we've, I really appreciate that about dad.

Definitely.Always there for everybody.Always a lot of fun, always easy going, uh, for those who don't know.And if everybody did, I'd be a little, I'd be a little suspicious, but he is an outgoing guy.We have a, we have a joke in our family that if there's anything kind of going, you know, there may be some little, little conflict, a little tension.There's always, Dave is just like, Who wants ice cream?

Let's get the party started.Dad, happy Father's Day to all the dads out there.Happy Father's Day to you.Much love to the dads.Joe, not yet.We're still young.

Just relax.Okay.Actually, well, or maybe we maybe we need some more people on the on the right side of the fight.So I don't know.We'll figure it out.But I'm not gonna tell you what to do.

Because that would be weird because there are people watching right now.But I love you.I love you as well.Dad.Thank you.Thank you everyone for watching.

Joe, thank you for coming on on Sunday.It's great.

It was great having you.It was short but sweet.Glad to be here.

Thank you so much, Joe.Again.Happy Father's Day.Dad.I love you.I hope you're having a great day.

Sorry, we're not spending it together.We will soon.You know, you're my favorite guy to hang with.But I also want to say thank you to all of our other guests that are not my direct relatives.Although, you know, Jennifer Welch and I kind of, we look a little bit alike, but you know, that's okay.Jen Welch, thank you so much.

My dear friend, of course, David Pakman, Senator Mark Warner.Rainn Wilson, Idiot of the Week, not a guest, didn't love you.So maybe not thank you to you.Maybe don't be the Idiot of the Week.But we are going to be back.As we always are now, as we always are four weeks in two on Sunday last week, we had our biggest week ever 800 ,000 views on average.

We're doing more than half a mil every week.I hope this one is the same because of you.And because of my good friends at Midas touch, Brett, Ben and Jordy.Thank you all so much for helping us put this show together.It has been a smash hit because of y 'all.And it would go so far.

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