‘Two Ukrainian Rent Boys Behind Arson Attack Targeting Keir Starmer?’

I said it last week, 21 years or rot in hell for all eternity.What do you make of all of that?We're going to say good morning to a man who has climbed the greasy pole of politics to the point where Two weeks ago, he found himself on the front bench in the House of Commons next to his boss, Chris Philp, the Shadow Home Secretary.But he got told off by his mother because he was seen biting his nails.I've tried, we've tried etiquette.Matthew Vickers, good morning.

Good morning.I've got that stuff now.It tastes awful.Have you put it on and stopped you biting your nails?Have you?I'll see how it comes on.

I'm sure it works.

Now, we're just going to start slightly differently, talk about the news, because this is brilliant.I always talk about what happens off the air.I come in this morning and Matt goes, Jez, Jez, Jez, big moment tomorrow.I've been granted a question.at Prime Minister's Question Time.Have you, Matt?

He's not there.What?He's at the G7.Oh, no!That means I've got to ask Lammy a question, so we thought we'd have a bit of fun.50 minutes.

What should Matt Vickers ask Calamity Lammy tomorrow?Your question could be asked in the House of Commons.You're happy to do that?

It's a thing.Bring it on.

87222.What would you like Matt Vickers to ask David Lammy, apart from how the hell did you get this job, you numpty?Interesting, though.So you have to be granted a question.

This could get messy.I'm interested to hear these suggestions.You've promised.You've promised.Do you know what I'm saying?So basically, it's a raffle.

You put your name in, depending on how friendly with the speaker you are.You may or may not be more likely to get a question.It's a raffle?It's a draw.So you submit to say, yes, I want to ask a question every week.You might not get picked for ages.

Some of my friends, I don't know what they're doing, but they get picked frequently.Some of us get picked very rarely.You might remember the last time I asked a question, I asked about the Great British Pub.and serving the great British pub.We'll see what comes tomorrow.

Is that PR just to look good in front of your constituents?I'm being completely straight.

I think it depends.I mean, it is a chance to ask questions.to bring...I mean, how many people are watching that thing tomorrow?About 11.It's a chance to make the Prime Minister...

Well, not the Prime Minister tomorrow.It's a chance to make David Lammy, the government, 650 MPs who are watching it...I've got one....and the public look away.

I've got one straight away.I've got one straight away.How can a man as completely inept as you, you complete eejit, manage to get to the role of Deputy Prime Minister?What do we think he'd say in response?

What do we think he'd say in response?That's the other thing.

Oh, you're not allowed insults.That's obviously why.No, no, but I'm being serious.The jury trials is the thing.How can he ban jury trials?Oh, so much stuff.

Plenty to go up.Mandelson.

Digital ID.

What should Matt Vickers ask the Deputy Prime Minister tomorrow at Prime Minister's Question Time?He's won the raffle, that's such a stupid thing.social workers and establishment departments.When is Britain finally going to hold all these departments for their failure?Again and again, I cannot carry on as a grown man seeing these poor kids suffering so abominably.I want to say about social workers, of course, absolutely they should be put to task, like those police last week.

There's hundreds of social workers that do incredible work that never ever get talked about because quite rightly, these appalling stories always quite rightly make the media, right?

I think when you, you know what, we read stories every week, we talk about stories about people doing terrible things.These are not people, these are monsters.How you would even consider that human beingswould be capable of doing that to that small, but it's just beyond all...You didn't think you could speak to someone in the street who could go away and do such a horrific crime.

And then you have this terrible, terrible moment in your head.I consider myself...I mean, people say I'm an opinionator, but I do try, but...They don't have right to liberty in the world I want to live in.I've got six kids.Human rights.

They're not humans, they're monsters.Precisely.And they'll get some lawyer, and they'll be in some jail, and it'll cost the taxpayer, what, £80 ,000 a year forever?I can't have it.I think it is...

It's so abhorrent that I think there are certain crimes that are so abhorrent and so against anything that any of us believe in.I don't want you.I mean, you know what?I can't have it.This makes me sick.

I think you're right.And then you hear this, eight chances were missed.Apparently, the evidence was there eight times.They should have questioned it and didn't question it.But I think you are also right.These social workers on the front line go into some of the most horrific situations to see some of the most vile characters.

And maybe people would be surprised, I would say that.But I think we should always call out.But as much as we said last week were those disastrous coppers who messed terribly, terribly incompetent with Henry Novak.And then the bigger issue of above.Of course social workers should be called out.And anybody that's allowed that disgusting story to make should lose their job and be prosecuted.

But there are hundreds, thousands who do fantastic work.

Who do in awful circumstances.They go into these, well, hopefully not this sort of situation, but into appalling, awful situations day in, day out.They see kids who are struggling in all sorts of circumstances.And to be honest, what would give you an indication that two human beings supposedly would be capable of doing that to a child?Is it unbelievable?It takes all this human rights mumbo -jumbo and you think, well, What rights should these people actually be entitled to if they're willing to do that to a child?

It says front page of the Times today, it's all over the Sun, front page of the Sun, authorities missed up to eight chances to save this abused child's life.I don't want to get off on the wrong track.but these people should be brought to justice.And those two.I told you off air I got into trouble with four years ago, so I'm not going to say anything.I think people would know.

From Page of the Sun as well, let's get to it.Age checks on phones to access social media.Yesterday, Keir Starmer, in what some papers are calling a rush job to cement his legacy, you've got one, of complete hopelessness.You can't change it.He rushed through this Under -16s can't access certain social media platforms.Audience will split.

Some would say good.I go with Lord Hanan.Is it Hanan?Lord Hanan, isn't it?Hanan, yeah.He's on later.

He wrote a piece which said, of course, we don't want our kids subjected to this stuff.High -tech companies should take responsibility, but the state needs to understand, or rather parents need to understand, this has to be at home.I was talking to my wife last night.You have to have control.People will say, oh, you can't.It goes further, Matt Vickers, because it turns out that Apple and Google will be forced to need from human beings a selfie or bank details or physical ID to just be able to post a comment or a tweet.

That is the beginning of the end of free speech, isn't it?

No, no, no.So I actually think it's right that we ban under -16s.If you're outside at home now and you're wondering why, and you think, why on earth are they doing this?This is a lockdown on freedom of speech.You should go and have a little look at Kemi's roundtable with a load of parents.I remember sitting and listening to those parents.

If you had any doubt in your mind, you listen to these parents whose kids have been subjected to some of the most awful things.Kids who've lost their life.Parents who have lost their children because of the monster that is social media.This thing goes home with them, it's in their bedroom with them.Some of the most vile, sick people on the planet.We've just been talking about some of them.

Those people can get at your children via a phone, via a device.So I think, for all of those reasons that don't even occur to me,us until you hear these parents' stories about kids who've committed suicide, kids who've been victims of sick, awful monsters online.The minute you see that you think, we do have to do something about it.And actually the idea that I completely oppose mandatory digital ID, but it's about the detail and how you do it.Actually, your phone now, if you want to buy an app, you buy it with a credit card or a debit card.

I don't know how to do that.

Exactly.You wouldn't be able to control the kid, then, would you?I wouldn't be able to.I mean, it'd be absolutely...Well, look at him.This is Carlos.

If you want something on your phone now, if you want something on your phone now, you buy it with an app, well, you buy the app using Apple, which has your credit card details, because you're buying the...Everything already works for that.

If it's done in that way, it's sensible.So you don't think that Apple and Google demanding a selfie or bank details or physical ID is the beginning of this government slash state controlling almost everything about what we know and what we do and where we go and what we buy?

It's all about the detail.Is it right that we stop those monsters getting into our kids' bedrooms?Yes, it is.What about tech companies?

Don't they have a responsibility?

You look at, I mean, some of these things that the kids play, they're not always tackled via Facebook or Twitter.They're tackled via kids' computer games.things that are designed online for kids to interact with.We brought it to a vote three times in the House of Commons and three times Labour MPs voted against it.All of a sudden he's in favour, probably because his backbenchers are peed off, probably because he's next on the line.He's about to go and apparently it's a legacy.

I mean, if this is Starmer's legacy, crikey.

I mean, I said something yesterday which sort of resonated a little bit.What I don't get about it on a further scale is that 15 years, 364 days, I'm going to tell my boy that he can't go online, but 12 hours later he can vote for you in a general election or not.I think the general election point is a very, very strong one.

How can you vote at 16, for Christ's sake?

That's ludicrous, isn't it?I think it is, Matt.That's like open your borders and bring people in who will vote for me. I don't think under 16 to vote for this Labour government, but I don't know.

I'm going to make a prediction.

We've got a jingle.

I can foresee this being another U -turn, because when he brought it about, all these 16 -year -olds were going to vote for the Labour Party.Now they're not, he might change his mind.We'll see.

Joanna from Salisbury says, I'm really sad I won't be able to watch you on YouTube anymore, Jez, or contribute as I'm a granny without a digital ID.This is an interesting point.So everybody that watches this, the 15 people, some of them...But is it encroaching on our rights?Is so much more, and this is another example, just eating up our freedoms?This is a state...

I don't want to sound like some of them do about this, but is it state control or is it just safety?

It's about the detail, isn't it?If you've got an iPhone now...Sorry, if you've got a random branded device, you probably have an account on it.And to get that account you had to give those people your ID.If it's as simple as that.game on.

If it's some massive digital database that they're going to create and suck all this data and allow people to use it as and where they wish, that's a problem.It's all about the detail and where it goes to.Should we be protecting kids under 16 from social media?Yes we should.

Commons.He was excited.He came in this morning and went, I'm going to ask the Prime Minister a question, Jez.And I went, he's not there.Is it the G7 trying to talk to Trump?It doesn't give itself.

Anyway, so you've got Lammy.So your suggestions, 87222.Ready?Pin back your logos.Oh, yes.Fair point.

Fair point, we let them in.figure of 18 trillion for reparations to the Caribbean countries for the slave trade?No, it didn't land with Vickers, that hasn't landed.Question for Lammy Vickers, what monarch succeeded Elizabeth II?Yes!Could the right honourable gentleman, who succeeded the Queen when she died three years ago?

Numpty!

Do we think he'll have learnt the lesson?No!

I don't think it's about that, it's about regaining control of our court.Good morning Jez, Gary here in your favourite part of Wales, Brecon.I said Brecon yesterday and it went down wrong.Have you been to Brecon?I haven't.No.

Citizen Starmer has finally gone totally mad.In my opinion he wants to control everything we do.Thoughts on that?Oh, Liam on Lammy.Morning, Liam.Morning, Matt.

Morning, Jezza.I've got one for you.Ask it.Ask Mr Lammy what the definition of useless is.That'd be amusing for us to watch.Anyway, have a great show, guys.

So you literally couldn't do that.You can't be disrespectful.It's got to be something technical.

You can't accuse him of lying.You can't do anything that's disrespectful.Even when he has.Who was it?Was it half of the...?One of the Labour MPs I remember once saying that half of the government weren't liars in order to insinuate the other half could be.

So you could be a bit clever and sassy with it and work your way around it, but no, it's probably...

Do you get told by the powers that be?in the Tory party what, as you...They go, ah, Vickers from the Stockton, that young man with the beard who bites his nose.He's got a question.So, Chief Whip, go and tell the little blighter what I want him to ask.

Do they do that?Is it like that?No, no, no, no.I'll just go and ask what I think I should ask tomorrow.Nobody gets to check it.could get into trouble, but I definitely won't bite my nails, I promise you that.

OK, well, listen, what do you think Matt Bickers should ask David Lammy?He was very excited when he came into work this morning because he's been granted a question with the Prime Minister.Who's at G7 and won't be there?So it's Lammy, but he will ask your question.You can tune in and see Matt Bickers going, what do you call him, Lammy?

Do you have to call it the right honour?

No, but you say, does the Deputy Prime Minister understand?You say the Right Honourable Gentleman, what do you say?

So you speak through the speaker, don't you?Thank you, Mr Speaker.Does the Deputy Prime Minister, blah blah blah.

Oh, thank you, Mr Speaker.Come into me ear, cheerlehem, lovely.Sir Lindsay and cheerlehem.0344, Joanna, ask Lammy, was it Was it the total he spends on his government...What is the total that he spends on his government procurement card?Interesting one.

Um, Jekirin, they've really gone for this story as well.Jez, I agree with protecting our children from monsters online, but isn't it an oxymoron when our justice system doesn't hand down the appropriate punishment for people that harm kids?

That's a really good point.Well, I mean, it's clear for all to see.We'll see what comes out of this, because his sentencing...When is sentencing on this?It's imminent.But this is the law of the lot.

You're not going to find many creatures on the face of the earth that are as vile as those two.

But they are here, and I don't know.As I said, I'll probably get into trouble, so it's best I don't say anything.But I don't believe there should be a liberty in a society I live in, or sane human people like do.03444 -I1000.So we're kicked off.We're talking social media ban yesterday and under -16s.

And we wake up today, front page at the time, age checks on Facebook.to access social media.What do you make of that?The horrendous story on the front of The Sun.Murdered by twisted dad and failed by the system.Eight chances were missed by social workers.

Another baby P, poor Preston Davey.Maybe the control is, as Matt Vickers said, some way that we will deal with horrendous situations like that.Morning, Phil.

Hi Jeremy, it's Phil from Warrington.Just a thought on the social media ban for under -16s.If any under -16s get through this and manage to get on social media, is that going to stop the paedophiles getting charged with anything because they can claim that they thought they were 16 because they're on social media?I don't think the government have thought of that, have they?Cheers.

Welcome back, 6 .25, it's Tuesday morning.This is talk, the home of common sense and the home of the alarm clock Brit, the vice -chairman of the Tory party, Matt Vickers is here, he's like a schoolboy with a bag of sweets, that didn't sound right, but he's been granted a question tomorrow, a Prime Minister's question, and we offer you some, no other breakfast show offers you this, you can set the question he asked David Lammy, calamity Lammy tomorrow afternoon, 87222.Morning, Dave.Well, Matt.

You could absolutely melt him down.A couple of questions.You could ask him, if an orange is called an orange, why isn't a banana called a yellow?Wait for his response.Or, if a fly is called a fly, why ain't a spider called a wolf?

Can you imagine?Mr Speaker, can I ask the Deputy Prime Minister, if an orange is called an orange, why isn't a banana called yellow?Are you laughing?

The thing is, it would actually be interesting to see what he would come back with.He operates on an alternative sphere, doesn't he?Does he know what your question's gonna be?No, no, no, no, no.They do ask, and you can tell them.Sometimes it's funnier to tell them you're gonna ask something you're not gonna ask, you know what I mean?

listen to this.This is like being in the school grounds.I'm going to ask you a question about judging.So he gets all primed and then you go, ah, no, no, something else.Question for Lammy, what school did he go to so I don't send my kids there?

That's the...I've never...Christ, you've turned into Jimmy Carman.What's happened to that laugh?

That's a winner.

That's a winner.

Can I just ask the Deputy Prime Minister, has he got kids?What school do you send your kids to?Why are you asking?I don't bloody well send them there.Morning, Matt and Jez.Ask Lammy, does he still take taxes abroad from Sean Marshall in Kiddyminster?

What's that?Is that a story?I don't know.

Oh, he had his luggage on.Jools in London.Good morning, Jez and Matt.Question for Jammy Lammy.What is your favourite cheese?What?

Sorry, I...Blimey.Guy.Morning, Jez and Matt.Ask Lammy, has he paid his fine for not having a fishing licence when he got his rod out with JD Vance?I think I know what I meant by that.

That's true, isn't it?

The favourite so far has to be which school did he go to.

You like that?That's got me there.OK, another one for Lammy.One add one is...LAUGHTER Oh mate, I'm going to watch Prime Minister's Question Time tomorrow.

Let's move on.Keep them coming.What should Matt Vickers ask David Lammy?87222.So listen, there's a big news story all over every newspaper.Double page here in the Mail today.

This is the story that Russia was apparently behind the firebombing of a house.and a car linked to our Prime Minister.Cue serious face.Yesterday, two men were found guilty of conspiring to carry out arson attacks on a property in a car linked to the Prime Minister.The court heard they were recruited online by a Russian -speaking Telegram user called El Money.Now, I don't know about a Russian sounding

hello, but I mean, I could be wrong.You'd expect him to be called Grovinsky or something, but it didn't work.Anyway, he promised the two payment if they bombed Starmer's front door and his car, and then Russia started the conspiracy theory that it was revenge by two Ukrainian rentboys.I don't know anything about this story.Here it is here.Russian spy orchestrated arson attacks on PM, then started wild conspiracy theory that it was revenge by two...

Had you heard about this?

I haven't heard anything to do with this at all.No, no, no, no.I never tune into Twitter.It's just not...I think...I mean, there is a serious point, isn't there?

There is a serious point about the dangerous world we live in and the Russian influence and actually about the security of people.in public life, and the thing that we're reminded of is ten years since Joe Cox died.There are serious points there about the protection of people in politics, about people in public life, but actually the idea that there's some Russian secret effort to destabilise this country via the...I mean, you'd leave him in office and you'd just stop distracting.You know, you'd leave him in office, let him destroy the country, and then you'd stop distracting, because he's kind of doing a pretty canny job of blowing himself up.

So these two young...Were they rent boys?I'm not that familiar with them, to be fair.No, well, it's just that apparently...I mean, I don't know anything, and I will plead the fifth.There apparently were conspiracies.

I don't look on X. I've never heard it, Your Honour.And there were conspiracy theories, and, of course, wild conspiracy theories about what was going on.And, of course, the papers are now saying that this was, in fact, Russian.And so his front door was firebombed, wasn't it?Why are you laughing?It wasn't his back door, it was his front door.

And his car, it wasn't a van, it was a car.And to be fair, you're right, there is a security issue.But there's also a huge debate, isn't there?Because, I don't know, it sort of follows him around.a bit, doesn't it, the bad news?

Yeah, he kind of does get a few of these rumours in the rumour mill.

I mean, you could say, on the basis of yesterday, people were saying, if you look at the front of the Daily Telegraph, Starmer's social media ban is a rush job.I mean, he was trying to bring a social media ban through the back door quite quickly, wasn't he?

I think.Well, there's always going to be questions around...

I don't do X. I've never been on X. I think it's a cess...I don't get involved, right?

It is a cesspit.It is a cesspit.

Sorry, a cesspit of filth.Sometimes, you know, a smoke fire and all that sort of...I knew nothing about this story, Your Honour, until I came in this morning and Christian said this.I mean, this is extraordinary.Of course, the safety of our Prime Minister and people in public life is very, very important, but why would Russia start a conspiracy theory that two rent boys, allegedly from Ukraine, or was it somewhere else, off Grindr?What's...

I've no idea what that is either.It's just an extraordinary story, isn't it?

Extraordinary story.Smoke, fire...

I think you should ask this tomorrow.Does the Deputy Prime Minister...So if you haven't woken up, 0344491000, but you text Matt Vickers 87222, Deputy Chairman of the Tory Party, tomorrow, very excited to be asking a question to David Lammy, because the Prime Minister's at G7.Pablo.You see?Now, Pablo sounds more like El Money than Gravinsky, OK?

I'm just saying, hello, Pablo, innit?Right, not leading as the Russian diplomat called El Money.It doesn't make sense.I'm not...I'm not trying to pull...I mean, I'm not...

I'm not saying...I would ask David Lammy what digital ID is likely to be required to prove you are a complete and utter idiot.No, that didn't wash it.Just, listening to Matt Vickers, so Kemi had a few parents agreeing with the ban, have those parents not got any control over their kids?I believe it should start at home.It's a good point.

I'll tell you what actually, that requires a response.If you doubt this, you definitely should go on, have a Google or whatever, you could Tweet, see the stories of these parents and what happened to the kids.They weren't parents who had no clue what was going on with the kids.They were normal parents whose kids were using all sorts of apps that many of us would allow kids to use.They were roadblocks, like literally children's apps on phones, apps that kids You just assume these monsters, these monsters like we've heard about this morning, get into these things and spend a lifetime working around them.

So my son plays Roblox, and I know nothing about computers, but Mrs K, who's a legend at everything, there are controls that she puts on, and timing controls and stuff like that.I feel inclined to tell you a story very briefly, although I can see, Christian's got that look on his face, I don't know about this.I don't want to embarrass, but one of my children, Years and years and years ago, maybe I was married to somebody else.And he...Oh, he...Anyway, he used to spend an enormous amount of time... ...in his bedroom, aged six or seven, on his computer.

I remember coming home one day and saying, what is it?He was obsessed with Pirates of the Caribbean.Went up, and he was six.He typed in booby, movies.And he'd spelt it B -O -O -O -O -B -I -I -E.M -O -O -V...

And honestly, and I had to...He was six.And I went downstairs, there were pictures of women, I'm not lying, boobie movies at six.And I mean, she went mad and said this, and I said, I was very angry with him, slash very proud.And no, I'm joking.And so I do understand we need to have controls.

It's just that, of course, as with everything, We want to protect our kids but also you have to make sure that this isn't, because there isn't much about this government that I think many people would think there isn't ulterior motive in so much of what they do.

That would be the truth.The devil is in the detail and actually we're looking at some of the most vile creatures we've ever seen.And when you look, those people, those sorts of people sit in darkened rooms, they spend all day doing this sort of vile stuff to work the work arounds.An app which I understand roadblocks is like designed for kids to play on.These people are in there en masse, they're vile creatures who are ten steps ahead of us.It's not about parents being switched on or not switched on, it's about actually protecting every kid and the kids who are most likely to be subject to this stuff come from different sorts of homes.

There might not be kids in our kids' or my sister's.Every kid needs protecting from those monsters and actually If you listen to the stories that Kemi had with this roundtable, these parents were switched on.They knew what they were doing.

I will absolutely acknowledge that that can happen and any parent who says it can't.I can sit here and say, of course, parents, I do think parents should pay more attention.I do think that the argument that, oh, it's the school's fault or it's the government's fault, but there are many instances.I mean, people were saying yesterday, I didn't even know what a VPN was.I only know what a VPL is.But a VPN, you can get access.

apparently hours of him announcing this.People have come up with ways of beating this system.So yeah, it's very important.Sarah, what are your thoughts, my darling?

Good morning, Jeremy.Good morning, Matt.It's Sarah from Croydon.Just talking about this online safety for children.I believe if the government were really, really that serious, then why don't they get knives off the streets?Why don't they crack down on that?

jail sentences if you're carrying a knife.I believe that's actually law, but it's just not upheld.Oh well, what about stopping unvetted men arriving here illegally in our country and being put in our communities, people that we don't know, who have no respect for our culture, our values.And what about automatic prison sentences for paedophiles?I don't know, just a thought.That might be a good idea, mightn't it?

So I just think this is a smart move.to get digital ID through the back door, and I don't want anything to do with it.Many thanks.

Thoughts?I think, do you know what, there's a very valid point there about policing and law enforcement.We're paying more tax than we have ever paid.

Didn't think I'd say that after you lot, at the end of you lot.

I never thought I'd say that, but you're right.Three things put tax up.Wars, pandemics, Labour governments.We are paying more tax than we've ever paid.What do you think's happened to the number of police on our streets since this Labour government came to office?Gone.

Gone.We have reduced the number of police.They're closing police stations in central London.They're letting criminals, vile, sick criminals, out of prison early.Everything is going the wrong way on that front.

I've got the question, and I should have remembered this.Theresa, you're spot on.JK, you told me you'd do this.Surely Matt should ask Lammy when there's going to be a minute's silence in the House of Commons and the House of Lords for Henry.Novak.Do you know what, that is actually, he, she said, and you said you'd ask, and several MPs, that's really interesting.

Do you know, that's really interesting.It's a very, very valid point.It's a really good question that, because they did it with the Black Lives Matter, nobody liked, well he was a career criminal, not the way he died was appalling, right?But the world went mad for George Floyd.And what concerns me about Henry Novak, I know we reported overnight that the Court of Appeal is looking at a sentence for that piece of whatever vicar and dig were, but that kid died on the streets.That's irrelevant.

In the most horrific way, in the most vile way, let down by the police who were meant to be there to help him.

What do you say to Theresa?That's a good question.

I've actually written to the Speaker of the House of Commons on this to ask the question, and I haven't had a response yet.Have you really?I have.I wrote to him after we had a discussion on it.I don't know who else asked me.

It was Theresa before.Theresa, I'll tell you the thing about this boy.He is absolutely straight down the line about what he says he's going to do, and he'll have done that, and he'll have written to the Speaker.Fair play.Keep us updated on that.

I will.I actually expected to have had a response by now, but I haven't, which might mean he's doing something about it.or might not.All right.I'm sure we will get a response.

Matthew from Norfolk.Can Matt Vickers, who I love, ask Lambie?Who doesn't love me?Who doesn't love me?My mother?Because she's dead.

My mother would.If voters judge governments by results rather than intentions, what results should the public point to as evidence, Mr Deputy Speaker, that current immigration and border policies are actually working in the United Kingdom?

That's a great question as well.

Mr Vickers could ask Catastrophe Lammy if when he was a barrister he would have preferred to defend a client in front of a jury or a state judge.Better and better this.He was a lawyer.

It's scary, isn't it?It's very, very scary.Yeah, but hold on a second.

The Chancellor said she was an economist and turned out to be a filing clerk.

She is.People play down her CV.She is an astrophysicist.She can find black holes where nobody else ever could.She's incredibly good at that.

Talking about black holes, after the firebomb incident, I can't even...This is...Are you mind reading this?Are we reading this?Could you ask Lammy if Starmer's backdoor security is up to scrap, says Chris in Creedham.

I don't know what to say.I love you lot, Steve.Morning, Jess.I think Matt should ask Lammy this.Many working people voted Labour, believing their living standards would improve.Can you point to one objective measure by which the average working family is demonstrably better off today than when you lot took power?

Well, working families aren't.

People who work are paying more and more in tax.People who don't work are getting more and more in benefits.There are people who are better off.It just happens to be the people who can't be asked to go to work.

Absolutely.Jason's in Pompey.As with all these progressive laws, they always start with the best intentions.Protect the kids.assist in dying.We need to imagine the worst government we can think of and what they would do with the same power, times by 10.

In my opinion, this is digital ID by the back door.That's Jason and Pompey.You don't agree with that though?

There is a risk of it.

I completely oppose the idea of mandatory digital ID.Is there a way in which this could be used to bring that about?Yes there is.Is the fact that when I pick up my phone now to add an app or add something, it happens anyway?You've already got your details in there.In order to use...

But is there any part of you that thinks this is part of a government who want to move it further away?Lucy Connolly, I know, Alison Pearson, The Telegraph, people get arrested for hate crimes, for writing something that somebody disagrees with.There's a lot of people out there who would say this is just the next step in control.That's what people believe and you can't blame them for believing that.

I think there is a valid concern about it.I think we should be concerned about it.I think the devil is in the detail and it's what they actually bring forward and what that looks like.We should definitely be protecting kids.We should be doing it in a sensible way, using the kit that's already on your phone.Whenever you buy an app, you do it via a credit card.

Lindsay and Ipswich says, why don't we just make sure that under -16s have basic phones and not the ones that, you know, we all have now, that we used to have, that you could make a call and receive a call.Look, because that is absolutely spot on to me, because I gave my grand...Somebody gave my granddaughter, who I banned from calling me granddaughter in public, by the way, she's eight.Somebody gave her my WhatsApp.Uh, no, no, my, what do you call it?When the picture comes up, what's that called?

FaceTime.Bloody won't leave me alone now, I'm in the middle of something, he starts FaceTiming me because I'm a technophobe, but it is frightening.

And it's a different generation.There's two other good reasons that we should give these kids Nokias.One, is the battery on a Nokia seemed to last for days.Kids can use it, they don't have to plug...Give them burner phones, give them burner phones.

They don't have to plug them in every 20 minutes.

And we can all go to sleep.on Snake.Do you remember Snake?He used to...No.Snake!

You had the little...You'd navigate Snake on the screen.Sounds like a northern thing to me, Snake.Back in the day of the Nokia.Do you think Starmer played that?Golden times.

I think he played Snake.Question for Lammy.This is good.What is a woman?So, so far at 17 minutes to seven, Matt Vickers who tomorrow will be asking at Prime Minister's Question Time a question to David Lammy.His favourite question is, what school did the Deputy Prime Minister go to?

Why are you asking that, Right Honourable Gentleman?So don't bloody well send my kids there.saying that is, with us other people saying, this is the next step towards control by the government.What do you make of that?Terrible story in the front of The Sun today.Appalling story.

Murdered by twisted dad and failed by the system.Poor Preston Davey, another baby pea.As Matt Vickers, you said to me, Some sort of control needs to happen with social media to avoid these twisted human beings, well, monsters, from trawling and using these websites and doing what they do, right?

And some of these sickos are literally sat in darkened rooms trying this all day, every day, to work their way into... kids' bedrooms, literally.It's terrifying.It's all about the details.It's all about what you have to do.If it's a case of getting your app on your phone in the normal way, we already have our details in our phone and that's all fine.If it's actually some creepy database where they want all your data and they want to bring by the back door this digital ID, then there is definitely a problem.

This is a very big debate because actually I remember, here's an interesting story, PJs.At one point,the online safety bill, it was about six months ago I think, required you to give your ID in order to access porn, which is probably the right thing to prevent kids getting on some Horrible stuff online.We brought it in and we talked about the safety of public officials.I got a death threat on my voicemail by somebody who wanted to access porn and was suffering from a delay in doing so because he had to have his ID uploaded onto his phone.Scary world, contentious debate.

When he rang up, left a voicemail hoping I was going to die.

We also learned this morning that Russia was behind the firebombing of a house and car linked to Kirstarma.Yesterday, two men were found guilty of conspiring to carry out arson attacks.on property and a car linked to the PM.The court heard that they were recruited online by a Russian speaker called Elmani.as a Russian speaker from Spain, who promised the men payment.But then Russia started this conspiracy theory that I hadn't heard about at all until I came to work today, that it was a revenge by two Ukrainian rentboys, 070344991000.

And we thought we'd have a bit of fun, because it's quite deep, the news today.Matt Vickers, very excited, like a schoolboy.He's going to get to ask David Lammy, Deputy Prime Minister, a question tomorrow.And he's kind enough to say, you tell me what I should ask, 87222.Lammy used to be a barrister.Surely there must have been barriers Barista.

But even that's not possible because he should wake up and smell the coffee.Very good.Talk.You should organise.He said, I'm really impressed with what Matt said.There should be a minute silent nationwide for Henry.

It would show up Starmer and his mob.It's a big one.Question from Lammy.This is from Louise.Why are child offenders consistently given either ludicrously short or no sentence at all, whilst others get years for hurty words?That's a great question, isn't it?

That's a great question.Paul Wells from Hull.This social media ban is a farce.How is it enforced?What are the consequences of breaking the ban?Who is policing it?

All of that.That's why people are saying, front page of the Telegraph today, it's being rushed through to cement his legacy.He hasn't got a legacy.He's going to be thrown out of office as the most incompetent Prime Minister ever.Liam's in Yorkshire, morning, Matt, and says, if you do this, you will go down in political history.He wants you to stand up and go, Mr Speaker, the Deputy Prime Minister, If you were a biscuit, would you be called a Lambie Dodger?

I think there's a valid point there.The barista versus barista.I mean, if his spelling is as good as his general knowledge, that could be an accident with his CV.So you know what these frontbenchers on the Labour side like with their CV?

There you go, there's your line.Bill, so if one kid gets around social media ban, how can they then stop sending photos to their friends?come again.He's basically saying with a VPN kids will find a way of getting through this ban and then send pictures to their friends or details so the whole thing's non -enforceable and can't work.

Well there are kids out there getting absolutely off their face on drink.doesn't mean that we shouldn't stop them drinking in the play park, you know, it's kind of a thing.

Secretary, seeing as how the Prime Minister has now been proven to be a victim of migrant crime.Matt Vickers, he's given it some thought, this.Morning fellas, great show.Asked Lammy, what is it like working for the most useless, pointless, self -serving idiot of an individual that ever held the title of Prime Minister in the United Kingdom?You're not allowed to say that, are you?This is the one who said, Mr Speaker,

could I ask the Deputy Prime Minister when is he next appearing on Mastermind?game in the World Cup against Croatia.Wes, ignore the killjoys and fly the flag with pride.So suddenly, a man who was in a government that... don't allow you to fly the flag and you can be arrested because apparently it's divisive and it's been hijacked by the right, is now in the Sun newspaper saying we should fly our flag with pride.Methinks the lack of cabinet collective responsibility has shown his true colours.Why don't people speak out for common sense when they're in government, Matt Vickers?

Well, Methinks.It may or may not be his true colours.It may be the fact that he's still caught in the idea that he could become the Prime Minister of the UK.He can't become the Prime Minister.This is the guy who a couple of weeks ago said we should be rejoining the EU.He wanted to open all that debate back up, didn't he?

He's all over the place.And I think he just needs a bit of attention at the minute, and that's kind of where we're going.Do you know him?I don't know him particularly well.His partner stood against me in the general election.Of course he did, yes.

That was quite interesting.So he was up in my part of the world a fair bit.And then his own seat didn't come up.

Does he genuinely believe that he can be the next Prime Minister?Because he's going to lose his seat if you look at the way the voting's supposed to go.

When you were talking to some of those Labour backbenchers, some of them thought it was a thing.They thought he was sensible.I mean, some people would say he's sensible in contrast to some of the other options.Who knows?Lambie might be the next Prime Minister.

Can Matt ask Lammy on that one why he isn't even being considered by the Parliamentary Labour Party to run for Prime Minister, seeing as how he's the current deputy?That's an absolute lie!brilliant question.Well done, Diane from Bedfordshire.

It's actually a really interesting point, because you think about this, is there any point previously where the deputy wouldn't have been considered even in the running?

Yeah, I can think, I can think.Prescott?Prescott?Hattersley?Prescott?Hattersley?

Anybody?Who was the deputy leader?

Who was it with Michael Foot?

Well, who was it?I don't know.

But he wasn't the Prime Minister, to be fair.No, true, but it's true.Prescott was actually the Deputy Prime Minister.

But I've a great belief that a good number two, like football, never aspires to the top job and helps, but I just don't understand anything about Lammy.He has to be the most...I literally...I'm not being disrespectful.He has to come across as the most incompetent person, and that says something.Morning, Ed.

How are you, son?

Jezza, Ed from Birmingham, on my way to work.On the subject of digital ID, so we talk about 16 -year -olds and having to prove that you're old enough to use an app.This isn't about banning children under 16, it's about us as adults having to prove that we're old enough to use it.So for me, it's digital ID, what have I done?Keep up the good work, mate.

It's a really contentious issue because I actually, genuinely, totally agree with you that anything that protects children, when you look at that appalling story, I keep holding it up because the sun will bring you the truth here.Good job, Risha Moriarty, great job.But it's such a terrible story.Preston Davey, betrayed, bullied and sexually abused by two gay men who who were given control of this boy for four months.And it's just so vile.And so when I look at that, and I completely get it, and then I have lots of people phoning up and saying, yeah, we should do whatever, and then others go, no, no, this is the Labour Party's way of trying to control us.

But you can understand that.You can understand that.There was the story of the guy that worked at our sister station, Time.It was on a school WhatsApp group.Don't know if you know this.and somebody he dared to criticise the teacher's methods to one of his mates.

Six police arrived at his door.But I mean, you smile, that's bloody ludicrous, you know?

It's all about moderation, it's about the detail, actually.We have Apple ID or whatever other device you might use, which already has your credit card.If that is the standard, that is fine.However, if it is some big creepy database, those people, those vile individuals that try to do this stuff online, they have a lot more time than us, they're probably a lot more sassy with the tech than us, they find a way...

Why should the rest of us suffer because of monsters?Because we need to protect our kids.OK.Now, you're not brave enough to ask this question tomorrow.This is a real challenge.But David Shelton says, what you should ask is, why is video evidence, Mr Deputy Prime Minister, good enough to lock up rioters for two years within 12 minutes of them, quite rightly, doing bad things, but it wasn't used to convict the Manchester airport attack on those police officers?

Mm -hm.The justice system gets me...going whammed up and fired up.You look at this and we all know, we're seeing this story this morning and we all know we're going to be incensed by whatever the verdict is because the sentencing in our justice system will not be adequate to deal with monsters like that and we know that before we even get there.

Can I, am I allowed to say this or is this going to get me into trouble about what, does anybody out there, Christian, I'm being serious, am I allowed to have the debate about what I should think should happen to those two men or are we not allowed to say that on this station?My personal view is that, and this is my personal view, I'd love to know what you think, that there are monsters and heinous individuals who do not deserve, when they carry out crimes like that, to remain on this earth.I don't understand how thosetwo... should not be dealt with, they should be hung.Sorry, that's my opinion, it's not talk's opinion.Some people go, hey, you can't do that because you're lowering yourself to the level and can you prove, just think of a four month old baby being sexually abused, mutilated, burnt, broken bones, if you want me to give it to you absolutely straight.

And we can sit here and go on about, oh, it's money.No, it's not that, it's about morality, isn't it?It's about what's right and what's wrong.Maybe that's too strong, but that's how I feel as a dad.

I think when you read that story and you read what happened to that child, you cannot help but be absolutely furious.But actually, the justice system, even at the basic level, is going the wrong way.We're hearing about this early release scheme.The government are allowing people to be let out of prison even earlier.Some of them serving just as little as a third of their sentence.What's the point of having a court that is meant to dish out a sentence if these guys get let out halfway through the sentence?

Do you know what I've just found out?Do you know one of those baby murderers was a teacher?Joanna in Salisbury says Fox in the henhouse.That's outrageous.I mean, that is beyond a failure of social services.And yes, they should be prosecuted, but I just ask you seriously, when you look at that, tragedy of adopted Preston.

Adopted, missed, a teacher.And you're going to pay what, for 50?If they get out on good behaviour, I'm with you.Matty, brilliant.What question are you asking tomorrow?

What school did your kids go to?I quite like that.That's a winner thus far.We're going to be watching.It's going to be very exciting.

We love having you on.You're great.You come on, you answer the questions.Matt Bickers, Deputy Chairman of the Tory Party.Don't bite your fingernails tomorrow in the Commons.

Everybody from Torc will be watching, all right?Don't wear the green tie.I'll put my best tie on.I won't bite my nails.

We're going to play it out.We're going to play the question out.So I'm watching.We're watching you.We see you Matt because we see you.