Unc & Ocho SOUND OFF if Shedeur Sanders Oblique Injury will RUIN His Shot as Browns QB1! | Nightcap

Hello, it's your favorite sports thug here. Don't forget to hit that subscribe button to join the fastest growing community on YouTube Remember nightcap doesn't happen without you. So please subscribe or you're gonna make Ocho cry Shadur Sanders could miss Saturday's preseason game with an oblique injury Shadur suffered the oblique injury during the throwing drill early in the Browns joint practice against the Eagles. Ocho, how concerned are you about Shadour rise to be QB1

if he doesn't play on Saturday? I'm not concerned at all. I'm not concerned at all. For one, he's not going to be quarterback one. We know Joe Flacco is going to be the starting quarterback week one against the Bengals when they do play. So I'm really not worried about that. I really don't have any concern because now come Saturday when they do play, if I'm not mistaken, Dylan Gabriel and I'm not sure if Kenny Pickett is playing now, they get an opportunity to show what they can do.

We've seen the small sample size of Shadur Sanders with the ones up, but the ones for a short period of time, the twos, the threes, and the fours. So we know what he can do. We saw how he played, with the lights are on, with the pressures on, and the bullets are flying for real. We haven't seen what Kenny Pickett could do as a Browns player.

We haven't seen what Dylan Gabriel can do. So they deserve their opportunity to play when the lights are on, and the game is somewhat meaningful as far as buying for a position on that team. As far as Shadur goes, he showed what he can do. So him being injured, being able to take the time off and be ready for week three,

whichever preseason game that is, I'm all fine with that. So you think he's shown enough? For me, I don't see how they keep four quarterbacks. Somebody's gonna have to get released. It's really that simple. You're not keeping four quarterbacks because the positions are too valuable and none of these guys play special teams. So, with that being said, maybe maybe Dylan Gabriel can hold, maybe Kenny Pickett can hold. I don't think Joe Flacco has ever held at least

not while he was in the league. I'm sure at some point in time maybe in college he held or something like that, but it just I Don't know if he's done enough

You know people say well, he's done enough. He's shown what he can do

Well, that's not what the depth chart said the depth chart said he was still Q before

Mm-hmm. Yeah, listen, I honestly I think

Politics plays a part in it But but obviously once the opportunity presented itself for him to play, when Kenny Pickett and Dylan Gabriel were hurt, he rose to the occasion. He rose to the occasion and looked extremely sharp, had some great plays, outside the pocket, in the pocket. You know, he was calm, he was poised,

and I'm sure anyone with common sense, a GM, a scout, can see the way he played this is a quarterback that deserves not just a chance to be on the team, but a chance to start a chance to compete for the starting starting position. So now, with that being said, nobody, nobody on the other 31 teams watched George Sanders play that night and say, you know what, he deserves to be quarterback number four.

Nobody, nobody at all So now if they believe so much in kenny pickett and dylan gabriel to be quarterback two and three

Now they have the opportunity saturday to prove why they should be I don't know if I don't know if pickett is practiced yet. Um, Um, stefanski said I think it was yesterday or day before that he was still dealing with some tightness. So they wanted to be careful. They want to be cautious with it. I don't know how much Gabriel has played, has practiced since his injury, but look, they got Snoop Huntley on the roster and they brought him in last week.

Once these other two, they realized that Gabriel had gotten Nick and Pickett had been out for an extended period of time. With all that being said, this is kind of my worst fear because if we talked about it last week and I said, I sure hope he can consolidate it. I hope that he can put back to back games together, Ocho. And now it's like, yeah, he played, he played really, really well in one game and now he's Nick and it looked like he's going to miss the second game and then the third game, you know, like obviously Flacco is probably not going

to play but I could have seen us envision a scenario that they probably would have released Flacco and with the other guys.

No absolutely not. You know that's not going gonna happen. That's not gonna happen with your experience in the NFL as long as you've not only played but been covering the NFL, you know, they're not going to start. They're trying to win. They're not gonna start. You're not trying to win. You're you say that you're not trying to win. What? Oh, talk to me and

and like me. So, you're trying to win. Well, oh, talk to me. Enlighten me. So you're trying to win, you go get Joe Flacco and Kenny Pickett. Those are your choices, and you take Dillon Gabriel, and then you take Shadur Sanders

in the seventh round, or fifth round?

Well, hold on, what other options did they have? They had no other options.

So there were no what quarterbacks were available that can actually put the Browns over the hump right now

and compete in the AFC North?

Was Justin Fields available?

I think he was already going to New York, huh?

He was already going to New York. He wasn't going before free agency started.

Okay.

You know, okay, you knew James, you wasn't gonna bring, okay, you knew James, you weren't gonna break it. Okay, you had it. You weren't gonna bring Jamis back. Okay. Okay. So you know that you don't wait to friends to start. You're starting this you're looking at free agents, not only others, but your own free agents. And you're getting an idea. You're trying to put this puzzle together who we would be interested in who might be

interested in us who are we going to try to resign who are we okay right with them moving on so for me when you got an 18 18 year vet a guy that really hadn't shown you that he could i mean he'd been at two stops so joe wait a minute wait a minute a guy that't shown you that he could, I mean, he'd been at two stops, Ocho.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. A guy that had shown you when Deshaun Watson got hurt, he came in and went on a five, six game winning streak for them until the bottom fell out.

So you know what you're getting with Joe Fekl, right? So you know the bottom is going to fall out, right? I mean, at some point, and that's where your number two comes in. That's where you come play and once your number two comes in

play, you stick with him and that's who you ride with for

the foreseeable future. There are things that even though Joe Flacco is playing well, he turns the ball over a lot. He turns the ball over a lot. Picks and fumbles and that's what bites him. Picket, I I was never I was never sold on Kenny picket Right Pittsburgh wasn't sold on Kenny picket. Didn't he go to he went to Philly last year? Where was he last year Philly?

He wasn't Philly. I think it was the backup. Maybe third string. I'm not sure

He is the second now Okay, so Kenny might have been the second string. Yeah, he went in with hers right now. Um but McKee uh obviously they felt very comfortable keeping McKee um and he looked he looked well

in in the duty and and and the role that he came in on Sunday or last week. He looked really really well. It's just hard for me to see a scenario Ocho is that they keep four

quarterbacks and two rookies. Now you run the risk of like if you release one of the rookies, somebody else sign them. Now probably they're only going to sign if you sign them to your active roster. Because I mean, why would you want to go and try to learn a new system when you spent OTAs, you spent mini camps, you spent training camp learning this system. Why go somewhere else? Start behind unless they're going to put you on the active roster.

Now, if they're going to put you in the 53 man active roster, well, I totally understand because there's a substantial difference in pay. But unless they're willing to do that, it doesn't make much sense for me for you to go to one practice squad to the other practice squad, or if they release you, now it's, you know, you get to,

I guess you get to decide, well, we'd really like to sign you back. Do you go back with a system that you're familiar with, Ocho, or do you move on and try to learn a new system and say, well, I think over there might be better suit,

might be better situated for me, or I might be better suited to be in that situation over there as opposed to currently here. What's your take? What do you think about that?

Ah, I can see how it plays out. I'm telling you, I can see it. I can see it. Listen. I'm not in the Browns organization I'm not there in the locker room. I'm not there on the practice field, but from what I know about the game From the outside looking in and just being around the game in general. I know exactly how it's gonna play out based on what Shadour Did in the first preseason game to be able to come out and do that with a limited amount of snaps that he was able to play. Joe

Flacco was back and they brought him back simply because he knows the offense. He knows the system and we know what he we get from him if he's in there at some point, things are going to go disarray the bottom kind of fall out at some point who's going to be our number two quarterback that going to be able to step up. And take things on from that point for the foreseeable future for our franchise.

Jalen Hurst gave Shadur Sanders a ride on the golf cart after Sanders injured his oblique during practice. They he spoke on this conversation with Shadur, saying he came to me and wanted to talk. I'm always there of giving my perspective on what I see and how I've gone about things I'm supporting him from where I am and wish him nothing but the best

Hmm and I get it. I mean, you know You know Jalen I'd be The maturity that he displays you would think the guy's been in the league 10, 12 years, and he's only been in the league, what, about six years himself. But the way he goes about his business,

the way he handles his business, the way he, his perspective on a lot of things. He doesn't get too high, he doesn't get too low, he's very even keel. Guys rally around him. He comes off. It's very authentic. I believe he's very authentic

Herlane Johnson talking about him. He's the same day one as he is right now He's just gotten more efficient and better at what he's doing but he's still the same guy nothing about him has changed or Deviated from when he walked into this locker room at the second round draft pick and That's what you can appreciate Circumstances has not changed this young man

Super Bowl MVP this that the talk Philly is a very tough place a very tough town to play in But he doesn't let he doesn't let that bother him Everybody can't play in places like Philly. It'll crush a lot of people, but he's built for it. He has very thick skin. He has very small ears.

So he doesn't hear the noise and stuff that people would normally say or that would be impactful to a player, it bounces off him. So that's what makes him really, really good at what he does because the same thing with Eli is That they try to beat him up in New York. He's like, I don't even hear the a Eli would like you know

Damn Eli you alive. Mm. Yeah, I'm alive. I just don't hear y'all Would you what y'all saying is dead to me? I'm alive and well, it's just what you're saying is dead to me. But I like the fact, it's like, look, all I can do is offer my perspective from where I am. I'm the starting quarterback of Philly. I hear what you guys hear. I got an opportunity to hear his perspective

because he's actually in it. And I was saying, you know, and maybe he shared when I was in a situation when I'm saying, you know, and maybe he shared what I was in a situation when I got here They had just given a guy one of the second richest contracts in NFL history But I was undeterred. I was like, I'm gonna take care of what Jalen can take care I can't concern myself with what they just paid him I can't concern myself that he was on the way to winning the MVP before he got hurt gang week 13 week 14

That don't have anything to do with me Yeah, let me control what I can control Let me do what I can do and then the chips will fall where they may but but when I get my opportunity

That's it that's exactly that's exactly where I was going with it now obviously Jalen's opportunity didn't come until they were already in season well he'll with it. Now, obviously, Jaylen's opportunity didn't come until they were already in season. Well, hell, preseason matters most because right now, you're trying to make, you're trying to earn a spot. They got fourth on the depth chart, not give you the adequate reps that you need especially with the ones or the twos. Two players get hurt. The opportunity to

present itself. When the opportunity presented itself, how did he look? No, he look good. He look really well. He look good. Look very good. Look really well. He look really well and command the offense and commander of players. He look like a leader. Look like he's been doing it for five. He look very poised. That's what he look like. So, again, now, it's a quarterback competition. His oblique is

hurt. Next man up. Now, it's Dylan Gabriel's turn if Dylan if did now that if I'm not mistaken Kenny pick is not playing Joe Flacco not playing the second game now Dylan Gabriel gets to play most of the goddamn game until Stu puntley comes in in the fourth quarters similar to what they did last right true Now now now

We will see

We will see

Because Kenny picket not getting snatched snapped now but we still know we got from Kenny Pickett when he was in Philly. We know what we got from Kenny Pickett when he was in

Pittsburgh. It's hard to evaluate when he was in Pittsburgh and Philly because he didn't really get a whole lot of playing time. He was a backup but we did see a large sample size of him when he was in Pittsburgh. Okay and listen no disrespect to him In in a three-year span is all of a sudden now going to be the year that something has changed. Miraculously. The Cleveland thoughts old because that's why they signed him in free

agency. Well, you know, the I'm quarterbacks gonna always get opportunities, dunk. You know that. They're gonna always get opportunities over and over and over and over. Either as a two, as a three, or sometimes a four. Not very many teams carry a fourth quarterback, but they will always get an opportunity.

Yeah, I just, bam, man. I mean, it seems like he can't catch a break. I mean, yeah.

I mean, do you know how many quarter?

Tim Couch, Detmer, Wynn, Peterson, Holcomb, Garcia,

McCown, Dilfer, Frye, Anderson, Dorsey, Quinn,

Menzel, Hoyer, I mean, Whedon, Wallace,

Hogan, Taylor, Mayfield, Keem, it just, that it goes it continues on and on and on and on so how I mean how they can just be so proud about well this individual look a certain way in pre season but we still want to keep them fourth on the depth chart I mean anyone that even looks the par you should be fighting at the bit about her at that position that you haven't been able to find success at and who knows how

long. Oh, it's been an extended period of time since they found the starting quarterback. Yeah, I mean,

people gonna say, oh, it's the preseason. It doesn't mean anything. No, it didn't mean something because before wedding, you have a dress rehearsal, don't you? Yeah, you have a dress rehearsal. What happens at dress rehearsal? Whether it was the tools or

the one. Let me ask you a question. If he went out there, if Shadour goes out there and throw three picks and fumble the ball, would they have said it doesn't mean anything or

that would say, see, that's why they took him in the fifth round. You see he plays well, it doesn't mean anything. He doesn't play. Well, it means everything We see how this go. We already know what was being written Right. We already know right so he played well, that don't mean anything. He doesn't play. Well, it's everything I Think for a rookie quarterback, it means a lot because this is first time getting NFL action This is the first time that he's gonna go against people

That's out there trying to come out unless you're the number one unless you're a high draft pick But you know should do or that they're competing against guys too. They don't want that look yes in about two weeks 30 guys per team about a thousand guys. Oh, they're dreams. Their football dreams will come to an end. What they, a lot of these men have been dreaming for this moment, their entire lives. And now they're going to have to do something else. Maybe it's coaching.

Maybe they put that degree, maybe they're a teacher. Maybe they're financial. Maybe they're with their personal training Whatever the case may be They go out into the real job world a nine-to-five And there's no I don't I'm not saying there's anything wrong with a nine-to-five Because I know y'all y'all could y'all try to y'all take everything and try to run with it What I will say is this, for about a thousand plus men,

their dreams of playing in the NFL will come to an end. And then what is your backup plan? What is plan B? Because plan A failed. Let me take that back. Plan A wasn't the success.

So now, you either gonna have to try to like, okay, hopefully somebody picks me up on the practice squad and I try this thing again

or

I'm like, you know what? Probably you listen to what the guys what maybe you listen to what the GM say Says, you know a so I we think you got talent, but we just got a we kind of just stacked at that position

where you are. And, you know, I we think you can play in this league, but just right now. We just think it's better that you know, we give you an opportunity to go someplace else.

That that that that's the that's the reality of it. Oh, Joe, that is the reality of professional sports. Sometimes your dreams, what you dreamed, and maybe it was your dream to play from junior high, JV to varsity, and then you go to high school and said, man, if I can please play college. And then you say, man, if I can just get an opportunity to play in the NFL, maybe that was your dream was to get into a training,

go to OTAs and mini camps and training camps, play in the preseason and that was it. Maybe that was it. Right. But Some, you know, like I said, it might not happen this year. You might have to have a delayed success where it doesn't happen this year but it happens next year and it might be two or three times. I'll show you a

But I think you know, you know Give yourself an opportunity say you know what? I'm gonna keep I'm gonna keep training maybe somebody calls me back put me on the park practice squad and I might be going into a situation where I don't know the plays but I Definitely be going into a situation where I'm in his shape as in shape as I can possibly be given that I will not have played football in a week, 2 weeks, maybe even a

month. That's what you can hope for. Yeah, but that's that's that's the reality of of of professional football. Now, obviously it's not that many basketball players. I mean, but you look at thirty teams and they're fifteen players per roster. So, you're looking at

450. They're going to cut double that. because you're thinking about, oh, you got eighty. You got eighty on the

roster right now and they got

you got to get down. You got to get down to fifty-three. You

got to get down to 53. You gotta get down to 53. You gotta bring. But you get back. You get back. You get back. You get back 20. You can put by 20 on the practice squad. I think so. How many how many practice squad players get a guy? I think it's a high number. This is a high team. So, 15 to 20.

So, oh, that's change. Yeah. Oh, I didn't I know that I had no idea. I had no idea. Okay. Okay. Okay 16, okay

16 so you get 16, okay Well, if he's an international player it could be 17 so No, yeah, so with that being said don't you like a lot of these so because at first you had 90 Did you get down to you go to care with 80 And now you that's 27 so you releasing

640 700. Yes with 30 times 30 times 20 So think about how many players you actually releasing

right Hey, but man, you know the definition of malpractice

Yeah, I know the malpractice is yeah, absolutely

Those that are in positions of power that make the calls at that organization I Think everybody needs to be fired if they don't get it right this time They do because enough is enough

35 different quarterback positions and you have to find success in having one for a decade

You haven't had the luck. I do give my A for effort. They keep trying. But come on now. I mean, Ocho, if somebody would've told you, give him what you know, a 26-year-old Deshaun Watson in his absolute apex prime, if somebody would've told you that it wasn't gonna work, you wouldn't have believed him. He had just led the league in passing Yeah Just led the league in passing now, obviously there are other circumstances but and then he gets injured What was his he turns ACL then he messes up his we messed up his shoulder

I think first and then it's oh, no. No, this is Keely's it was a skeleton and Then he read he re-injures that so That's I think that's where because they thought they had the quarterback for the next decade I thought they had their quarterback for the next decade

Yeah

Same nobody would if you go back and look at Deshaun Watson when they made this there's no no Deshaun Watson is not out of your top ten as a a matter of fact, a lot of people probably had him in their top five. So and we had never seen a quarterback this young in his prime. That's non injury be available be available. They never come available not in their prime. Even Brady became available, but he wasn't in his prime. Now he still played well, but

Brady was not gonna be available in year six Peyton Manning was not gonna be available in year six

Aaron Rodgers

Brett Favre Joe Montana, they're not available in year six

So they thought I give them the utmost credit because they traded an awful lot to get him and that's what you have Yeah, what would a team trade to get their hands on a Patrick Mahomes or Joe Burrow or Josh Allen? You trade an awful lot you would or LeBron Jackson and would Absolute with that being said I give them credit now they gagged on a lot of other ones, too But I can't say that they get I mean it looks look hindsight Because it's a magnificent science because we have the luxury of knowing today what we didn't know yesterday

right

But at the time there's like oh, oh yeah, perfect. Now, you look at what they turned that into, you know, they probably got uh uh Will Anderson Jr. and they got the highlights of uh uh Nico Collins or and some of

these other you like, well, it worked out well. Yeah. But absolutely. I just absolutely. Something is I just can't put my hand on it. I I wish I wish that should do it was healthy and was playing in this game because it it would crystallize things a lot for me. Oh, Joe, it really would.

Well, well, honestly, things are gonna crystallize things a lot for me. Oh, Joe, it really would. Well, well, honestly, things are going to crystallize themselves regardless, huh? Even if he doesn't play in this game. Him not playing in this game. You

got three injured quarterbacks. So, how how did it crystallize? You got three injured quarterback. One had the oblique and two got hamstrings. So, how does it crystallize? Hold on. Dylan Gabriel is playing this weekend.

Dylan Gabriel's getting this opportunity to play this. You

know, hamstring, you know how they are.

Okay, how about this?

If Shadur looked that way in the first year of the season game, right? And Dylan Gabriel plays this week and doesn't look as

good as you. Well, Shadur played against the same caliber talent that Dylan Gabriel. I'm and doesn't look as good as you do a bit play against the same caliber talent That Dylan Gabriel I'm just preparing you for what they're gonna say. Oh Joe You see you already know what they're gonna say to

And you you isn't what you can't deny you can't you can't deny what I want to no minute no matter how no matter how much they try to stall the process on what's to be it's going to be regardless I agree regardless like they can play they can play the political game all they want they can play merry-go-round with the quarterback situation all they want hadn't come out and say this is not the quarterback I wanted but Andrew Berry when all is said and done will look like Einstein. He's going to look like Einstein. He just is. It is. You you you can't. You

you can't you can't deny it.

I don't disagree with you. I don't. I don't disagree with you. I don't I don't

But it's just hard to compete in that division when you got two of the best quarterbacks in the two of the top four quarterbacks

residing that division Then you put it in When you say, okay, give me a top five quarterback. It's gonna be my homes borough Josh Allen and Lamar Jackson Those are the four Yeah, two of the four that I mentioned reside in the AFC North So if you want to win that division and you want to be competitive year in a year out You're gonna have to find a way to beat those two quarterbacks

Yeah, and they're gonna be there for extended. None of those quarterbacks are 30. So you got to deal with him for the next five to ten Mm-hmm, and you also have another and I don't want to discredit him

I know he hadn't looked good the past two years, but you don't have a no slouch down in Pittsburgh either

The only thing you're not gonna have to deal with him for another five to ten, but you're right, but you're right, yeah, so I

Just don't five to ten, but you're right, but you're right. Yeah. So,

I just don't, I don't know what yo. Listen, I'm excited to see how it turns out. I know football is back in 22 days if I'm not mistaken. I think I got my numbers right and I wanna see who's going to be quarterback number one for the Cleveland Browns. I want to see. I know how it's going to play out.

I know Joe Flacco going to be the starter. He's the veteran. He's the veteran. We know what he's done when he was at the helm. He went on a five, six game run. It was phenomenal.

All looked crazy. I also saw what Shadur did when he got his opportunity, despite being low on the depth chart. Now we get to see what Dillon Gabriel can do this Saturday. I don't even know who they playing. Who they playing, Philly?

Yes. Yes. Huh.