Unplugged ft. Retd. Col. Rajesh Pawar | Iran vs Israel | Mossad vs CIA | Russia | USA vs China | WW3

Weapons were being held in the battlefield. Where did the cameras and mics come from?

I became an accidental journalist.

We all believed that the Ukrainian-Russian war would end in 10-15 days. Why did the war last for 4 years?

The war that is going on is not between Ukraine and Russia. Actually, NATO is Russia. NATO is a proxy war. But if it's an all-out war, they will go for London, Berlin, Paris.

They will destroy everything there.

The last war in this world, the biggest war in the world, will be between China and America. You were also detained in many places. Where were you detained? I was in Bucha. I was reporting from the camera.

A soldier came, hit me on the leg and fell down. He then put the gun on me. Then I went to Israel for reporting. There, I was caught by the IDF. And a year later, I reached Tehran. They saw my passport.

It had 2-3 visas of Israel. I was so excited. Israel! Israel, Israel! The Russian agency poisons the enemies and Mossad plays on a different level. The CIA is known to overthrow the government.

Can we take an attack from these three agencies?

Look, Mossad is class apart. Mossad has no competitor. The CIA has a lot of money. The second biggest agency is MI6, in Britain.

When the war started in Ukraine,

Ukrainian men were running away from the country, fearing they might have to fight. On 7th October, in Metalaviv, flights from all over the world were going to Israel to fight. We will fight again.

Ukraine, Israel and Iran.

Did anyone offer you to become a double agent? Iran said it. I said I will cooperate. They thought that by cooperating, Ukraine, Israel and Iran. The army is completely destroyed. There is a motorcycle, and they have sticks on it. Some have 10 people, some have 20 people. Look, we are not a circus, we are an army. Just like India is buying a lot of weapons, especially with Rafale, we have bought a lot of weapons from France. These are world level equipment.

If we are using a ship from 1986 in 2036, then somewhere, it was not a good thing for us. If we get the source code, we can put our weapons in it. France has also clearly forbidden us to share that.

Is there corruption in Indian Army?

Yes, there is corruption in the army and there is a lot of corruption in the services.

He was a honest soldier. When the fire broke out,

we found out that he was in the clutches of thieves. the Even now, young people are so enraged about this. This was a political decision which was taken, imposed upon army. When Kargil's theories used to come, there were many things that were said that even then,

there were no equipment.

Have you seen photos of Kargil?

Yes.

How many young people are wearing bulletproof? You won't find even one. Do you know how bulletproof they used to come? There were iron plates. Iron steel plates. 16 kgs, you can't walk with that When you go to other countries in the world How do people see Pakistan?

When they open their restaurants outside They don't call it Pakistani restaurants, they call it Indian restaurants Because they know that when you say Pakistan, they'll get a stick

How do people see the operation Sindoor outside?

Pakistan claims that we dropped 6 of their planes But the world believes that At that time, some Indian plane fell Although we haven't seen any pieces of it. I have seen it in Pampur. I have seen it in Pampur. I am sure I have seen it in two places.

Can we see Indian women's army in a frontline war?

Not at all. Imagine if five of them are captured and they are shown on Pakistan TV in a bad condition. What will be the impact on the morale of our soldiers? Can a woman be the Army Chief possibility for the next 15-20 years. It is said that in the battlefield, truth is first and foremost.

But when an army man becomes a journalist, you can neither suppress nor hide the truth. the He had a gun in his hand for the security of the country. He has been holding a mic for the past few years. He is going around the world and telling where the war is taking place. He also saw Kargil up close. And for the past 4 years, he has been explaining the details of the Ukrainian war to us on TV. He was detained by 3 different countries of the world. The story is very interesting.

We have a lot of questions. Today, the challenge is not what to ask. The challenge is what to leave.

Rajesh ji, welcome to the show.

Thank you.

How are you, sir?

Very good.

Sitting in front of the TV screen, sitting in front of the podcast chairs.

Till today, when you were the anchor, it was very different to talk to you and now to talk to you. But what a amazing thing, it's been four years since that war. I never imagined that a year in India would go from 6 am to 12 pm.

And I'm sure your services have been written a lot on TV.

It was fun. Like, it was a new beginning for me. You see, I never thought I would become a journalist. And this is by chance that I started reporting. I was approached and then I said, okay, let's give it a try. I like to try new things.

I like to try new things. And it is related to war. You are reporting war. I mean, after leaving the army, you have re-entered the army. And the kind of war I have seen in Kargil, all the counter-insurgency operations that have been done by the Indian army, whether it is in Kashmir, Nagaland, Assam, Manipur, I have taken part in all of them.

So, a question that will come to the mind of the public is that you were holding weapons in the battlefield.

Where did this camera and mic reach?

I told you, it's accidental. I became an accidental journalist. How? I was approached. I started reporting and people liked it. And then everybody started approaching. Can you do it for us? Can you do it for us?

Your wife is from Ukraine.

Yes.

That's why she approached you on that channel.

That's also true.

You were present in Ukraine.

I was present at that time. And I had gone for some personal work. I was there and the news was going on that the war could start anytime. So, they approached me and said that I could answer some of their questions. They could make a small report. I remember when the siren used to sound and you used to show it from the windows of your house. Then you would come out and see the caravan passing by.

But when the Ukrainian-Russian war started, we all believed that it would end in 10-15 days. It's been 4 years and it's still going on. Even today, Donald Trump's deal with India is that he won't buy oil from Russia. If he does, he'll impose sanctions on us again. Why did this war last for 4 years?

Russia was weak, Ukraine became stronger, there were tactical failures.

Most people, especially people in India, because their understanding is very limited, they believe that there is a war between Ukraine and Russia. They also say that Russia is a small country, it cannot defeat Ukraine, how can it fight against NATO and America. So, this war is not between Ukraine and Russia, it is between NATO and America, and Russia.

It's a proxy war. It's a NATO plus America, which is a part of NATO and is run by Russia. It's a proxy war. The entire planning, targeting, navigation, intelligence, planning and even execution is done by NATO. So, this fight is actually NATO versus Russia. And by proxy, they are fighting. All the people who are going are going for Ukrainians.

The rest of the fight is between NATO and Russia.

But is NATO in danger now? Because I saw Trump giving a statement in Greenland, I saw France deploying.

Did you think that Donald Trump is trying to cross NATO? Look, we can see this in many ways. First thing is that Europe is not in a position to fight this war on its own. It is 100% dependent on America to fight Russia. Another angle is that somewhere in America, there is a school of thought that we need Russia. Because the final war, the biggest war in the world, will be between China and America. And who is standing with China and who is standing with America, is very important.

And America's thinking in these things is very far-sighted. They know that Europe is a burden. Europe cannot help them much. Their condition is that if you tell them that there are some countries like Netherlands, Denmark, which has a problem with Greenland, you You say that you have to send an army, they can't send more than 150 people. So Europe is one of the thoughts of America, one of the two, that Europe is a burden militarily. Tomorrow, when they will take on China, who will be more that if we break Russia somehow, then drive a wedge between China and Russia.

This is also a school of thought which is going on in Washington. And you will get a lot of hints from President Trump, in which it will seem that he is extending a hand towards Russia. And somewhere, there is a game going on in which he is trying his best.

On which angle are you talking? Because we are also covering this. We have heard about Russia vs America for a lifetime.

Now, where do you see a hint that President Trump is moving towards Russia? Look, I have seen a few statements of both of them. President Trump has said that the biggest mistake that the Biden administration has made is that they have brought Russia very close to China. It will be very difficult to break it now. And these are continental powers.

China and Russia are big continental powers. And if they come together, it is almost impossible to defeat them. And as I told you, their fight will take place within a day. It's a matter of time now. It took a year, two years, six months. It's difficult to say.

But there will be a war in the end. Because it's a war for supremacy now. America will not let its hegemony fall so easily. And there is only one challenge for it. China. So America's entire focus is on China. And if Europe is proving to be a burden for the military, then which other power can go with it? India is there, but India's military is not in a position like Russia's. Russia is a superpower.

And if Russia and China are together, then America, Japan, Philippines, Europe, India, all of them together, they cannot defeat them. But as we saw in Operation Sindoor, when India and Pakistan came to fight, the world said that this is the first time two nuclear powers are fighting. In Kargil, there was a protest like this, but it was not a big fight like this,

that two countries have announced war, and now we will drop bombs on your cities. The whole world came and said, no, no, stop it, stop it, America has come to make peace. Is it really possible that in today's world, when there are so many nuclearly strong nations like America, China, Russia, will they fight a full-fledged war?

Because if there was a war, the world would be destroyed. What do you think is the rationale of having nuclear weapons? Nuclear weapons are used by every country. Some have no first use policy like India. Some have different doctrines. They can use it preemptively also. Now, Russia

has also changed its philosophy, its nuclear doctrine. Because all the treaties, anti-ballistic missile treaty and all the other treaties that could have stopped the nuclear war, which existed during the Cold War between Soviet Union and US, all of them were gradually rejected by America. First, in 2002, the in 2002 and now it is in 2018. So, there is not a single treaty that can avert the possibility of a nuclear war. Because it has been in existence during the Cold War and has been a huge deterrent.

Yes, recently there was a theory that the deal to make a new nuclear weapon was that we will not make Russia-America.

Now that has also been terminated and they have not followed it again.

The deployment of the experiment, all the treaties have been nullified at this time. That is why the danger increases. And the second thing that is very important, see what President Putin has said, he said it not once, but in two or three of his interviews, when he was asked, will Russia use

nuclear weapons? So, his answer was that we will try our best not to use these weapons. We have so much capability that we can defeat NATO in a conventional war. But if NATO, Europe and America think that we will defeat Russia strategically on the battlefield, we will not let that happen. This means that at some stage, because Russia's economic power is very small. Its GDP is almost equal to that of Italy. And Americans joke that Russia is nothing but a gas station with nuclear weapons. That there is nothing else in the country. And this is also true to a large extent.

Not what Americans say. The economic might of the Soviet Union is very limited. And there is constant pressure on India, not to buy oil from India. There is pressure on China. If the economy of Russia starts to sink,

then the economy itself supports your war. And war needs a lot of money. You cannot fight a war without money and economy. If that stage comes and Russia feels that it won't be able to fight, combined might of NATO and America, at that stage they have clearly said that we will go nuclear.

Ukraine is repeatedly saying that they won't do it, we know that. But it will happen and I believe that if that stage comes, that China doesn not support Russia on ground, it will say that we are giving you economic support, technical support, political support, but we will not send the military to your side. And if Russia has to face the entire NATO, then it will start losing on the stage.

And when that stage comes, when Russia feels that this is an existential threat, Russia will 100% go nuclear. This is being raised a lot in the public right now. But people believe that Trump's projection, the information warfare that we were talking about, which America has been doing since the beginning, that Trump is a barbaric man, he wants to make the Russian Empire, that is not true. Their image in Russia is of a moderate leader and their demand to go nuclear and use more harsh force on Ukraine, they have kept it. But if that stage comes when Russia starts losing on the battlefield, they will 100% go nuclear. On whom? On Ukraine or America? Russia has a very different relationship with Ukraine. No matter how many times they have fought with Russia, they still consider themselves to be their own.

They say that they are our people, they have been incited. 5-10% of them are extreme right-wing nationalists. They call them Banderites, they call them Nazis. They have controlled the entire government since 2014. And the rest of the people are their prisoners. And these people are fighting them.

And the common people don't want to fight. They are our own people. So, I believe that if this fight goes nuclear and if Russia, if someone uses a nuclear weapon in Ukraine, if NATO forces come in, then it will be a tactical nuclear weapon. But if it's an all-out war, they will go for all major European capitals.

London, Berlin, Paris. They will destroy everything there. You were also detained in many places. You took the names of many cities. I heard that you were detained in three places while reporting. Where were you detained and why? See, the first time when I started with you, you were in Ankara.

I was in Bucha. There was a bridge in Bucha which was blown up by the Ukrainian army, so that the Russian army could not enter the city. Kiev could not enter the city. It was only 10 kilometers away from Kiev. So, there was a convoy outside, of the Russian army, 60 kilometers long,

which the Americans had mentioned a lot. At that time, I had just started reporting. I did not have a press vest or a press helmet. So, I didn't have any identification on my body.

And no ID card.

No ID card and no camera. I was recording with my phone.

I remember.

Yes, he had already refused. He said, what do you do? You go to very dangerous areas. I can't go with them. So, I was recording with the camera. So, when I was recording,

he thought that I was speaking on my camera on zoom and he thought I was recording. There was a deployment of the Ukrainian army in front of me. So, an army man came and hit me on the leg and I fell down and he took the gun on me. Then he took my camera from there. Then he kept me in detention for two and a half hours. He checked the entire camera and talked to me.

I told him that I am an Indian journalist like this. Then he asked me where is my vest helmet. I told them I will make a new one. It has not reached yet. This was the first thing. After that I went to Israel for reporting.

In Israel, journalists were reporting in Tel Aviv and Jerusalem. They were showing sirens there. As you know, I have no interest in that. I go where I feel the most dangerous, I enjoy it there and I want to do what no one else can do. So I went to the border of Lebanon and Israel.

I have a friend there, he has worked in IDF, he is retired from there. I took him in the car, we both went there. And there was a hill. Just like a hill, on top of the hill was the IDF base. Missile base and their entire bunker was built. They were continuously firing from there. And one kilometer away from there, the border, we were right on the border.

There were Hezbollah guys and they were continuously firing on this IDF base. IDF, Israeli Defense Forces. Israeli Defense Forces. And the recording I did, I am standing there and my IDF friend is recording. You can see the tracers going 100 meters behind me. Bullets and missiles are going. So I was doing live reporting from there.

Unfortunately, the signal was very weak there. But we recorded there. When we were leaving from there, because there were no journalists in that area. Neither they went nor wanted to go. People love their lives, right? We don't journalists in that area. Neither they used to go, nor they wanted to go. People love their lives, right? We don't love it that much.

So, there, I was told that IDF caught us. They stopped our car and detained us both. And we stayed in IDF's detention for about 9-10 hours. Thousands of people asked questions to them. I had two phones, they took both phones. They had all their passports, everything and sent them for forensics. My idea for a retired friend, who is Israeli and a foreigner himself,

he was put in another camp so that we could not talk. And he was interrogated for 8-10 hours. After that, the Indian embassy, the company I was working for, approached the Indian embassy. They approached the Israeli government. Then after 8-10 hours, he was able to leave.

And only a year after that, the war between Israel and Iran had started again. It was said that there will be another attack. So you said, if you survive here, then let's try there. They gave me an offer. The company I was working for, they said, you go to Israel again. I said, Israel has already happened. I have been reporting there for three months. Now I have to go somewhere else. So this time I want to go to Iran. They warned me a lot. No Indian journalist is going to Iran.

They don't allow. It will be difficult to get caught. I said, no, I will go to Iran and convince them that I want to give your narrative to the world. Let me report for your country. When I was in Europe at that time, I approached the Iranian embassy in Berlin. Can you give me a journalist visa? I am going to embassy in Berlin. I asked for a journalist visa. I was going to Tehran.

They said that I won't get it before 5-6 months. Because we need clearance from Tehran. I said that I have to leave immediately. The fight is going to happen now. News after a month is of no use. So I got on the plane.

At that time, Indians didn't need a visa in Iran. I took a flight to Tehran from Dubai. I reached Tehran. As soon as I reached, he saw my passport. It had two or three visas of Israel. And he was so excited.

Israel, Israel, Israel.

I was so scared. I asked him what happened. He ran away from there. He ran and went to his superior. And then the police and the IRGC came. And they took me to a room.

I was in detention for about 30 hours.

30 hours?

30 hours. And so many people came, some came from the army, some from the IRGC, some came in simple clothes, some asked questions, some wrote questions, some scared me, some spoke to me lovingly, some said, start working for us. Because they were convinced I'm a spy. I said, why are you considering me a spy? They said, what is the job of a journalist?

To collect information. And what is the job of a spy? To collect information. So there is no big difference. And we have a law, if you have ever been to Israel, and after that you try to enter Iran, then you will get at least six months of punishment for this.

And I convinced them there too. But I mean, now I look back, it could have been very dangerous for me. But there, you won't believe me, my heart didn't even beat fast. I told them, I said, I am willing to cooperate with you. But let me report from here once. I have done so much, I have fought so much to go to cooperate with you. But let me report from here. I've done so much.

I've fought so much to go to Iran to report. No Indian journalist has been able to come here. Let me report from here. And you won't believe. They thought that maybe he will spy for us. I did one or two reports for India Today and Aaj Tak for both

from the Iranian airport. There was a live telecast after this. Then they came. When their senior officers, generals came, of IRGC, they scolded the juniors. How did you allow this to happen? By the time it was on air.

And it went on. The drama went on for 30-32 hours. Gradually, they felt that the matter went ahead. The company also started talking to me. I spoke to the Iranian ambassador a few days ago, who had come to our channel for an interview. So slowly, after 30 hours, they took me on a plane and sent me back to Dubai.

You are leaving a lot of people alive. So, the Iran Revolutionary Force, going to Israel, Musaad there, and you were in Ukraine. Who did the most dangerous person to be arrested? The most dangerous person was... Or who was the one who tortured you mentally?

It was the Ukrainians and the Israelis. They kept me in a corner and kept talking about where I was, why I was here, how I was here, why I came here. Nothing more than that. They were on my camera, my phone, my background, social media, everything. Iranians had all my information before. They knew that I was a colonel in the army. They knew that I fought in India, they knew that I was reporting,

where I have been reporting from. They had all my information. I don't know how, but because of that they asked me questions. They asked me to go to each and every place in Israel. Who did I talk to? Who did I talk to? What did I talk about? Did I write anything? Did I make a video?

They tried to find out everything. Because the level of suspicion, and it's normal, I won't blame Iranians for that, it's normal. I won't blame Iranians for that. It's normal. When you've been in Iran, Israel for 3 months, you have friends in IDF, you have done reporting there, there is a fear. And Iranians have suffered a lot. That there are no spies.

I mean, maybe they had been included in the army by the Israelis. All their scientists have been killed. Yes. Mossad has a huge network in Iran. And Iran is trying hard to end it somehow. And that's why they are so cautious.

Out of these three, Ukraine, Israel and Iran, did anyone offer you to become a double agent? Because you have an army background, you can become a spy for us. Iran said, when I went to Iran, they said that I will cooperate on this condition. They thought that by cooperating, I will means that I will go back to Israel as their agent. That's why they let me report from there. I said, let me report once in a while and then I'll cooperate with you.

So they allowed me to report with the Tehran airport in background, everything inside. I just thought that maybe I will get ready. And when you haven't slept for two nights, haven't eaten anything, the questioning is going on continuously, that maybe I will get ready. And when you haven't slept for two nights, haven't eaten anything, you are constantly being questioned, then mentally there is a lot of pressure on you.

So you don't even feed him?

No, last month I fed him. I told him to be a vegetarian.

You stopped him for the first 20-30 hours.

He didn't have any intention to stop me for the first 20-30 hours. When his senior officers came, to the police, then they thought that maybe this is a wrong person, we should let him go. Did you get scared anywhere? I never got scared. I have stopped getting scared.

In your family?

In my family, when I tell them, they will know. I don't tell them all these things. Just once, do you remember when I was in Bucha, I had three or two bombs exploded, very close to me. I remember. In Ukraine. So when the bombs exploded, it was a natural reaction. I turned on the camera. And I am an old soldier, so by reaction, I went down on the ground.

The moment I heard the noise. Before their soldiers, I was on the ground. Because the meaning of the blast is that you have to go on the ground if you want to be safe. So it went in the instinct. So my mother said, your eyes looked like they were torn. It looked like you were very scared. I said, I wasn't scared. She said, no, don't do such a thing again.

Because they could see it on TV live. Otherwise, I don't tell anything to my family, where I am going, what I am doing. But did anyone tell you that you have lost your height, your style, the way you talk. You can look like a journalist, a spy. that you work post-retirement. I have been told by hundreds of people, both Indian and foreign,

that Raj, are you a spy? I said, why do you think like this? You look like one. I said, what is there in my face that I look like a spy? But many people have told me this. How was your experience in the Indian army?

It was a great experience. I mean, such an organization does not exist in the world. I believe that whatever time I spent in the Indian Army, that was the best part of my life. And when you went to 100 countries around the world, you look different, you are reporting now,

you were detained by an agency of three countries. Is the Indian Army at the same level as the rest of the armies in the world, or are there some shortcomings? Look, this is a very big question. There are many levels. But first of all, I will say something good that stands out about our army, that is our soldiers. Look, I have worked in Rajputan Rifles, my parent unit was 19th Raj Rif. After that I worked in 1st Para Commando, later Special Forces.

I have worked in Special Frontier Force, where we trained Tibetan troops, we did operations with them. So the troops that are our soldiers, are of very high standard. Such soldiers, in any army, I have given lectures in German Staff College, Hamburg, and have interacted with many other armies. During reporting and otherwise, we will not find such soldiers anywhere in the world. There is no doubt about it.

Now the second thing that comes is your leadership, whether it is officers or technology. I think that we need to improve in this. And if we can bring some improvement, then Indian Army will be unbeatable in the world. Like I went to Kargil, to see the war memorial and to cover many incidents there.

The deputy chief of the Indian Army also went with me at that time. He is the Rajpal of Uttarakhand now. Lt. Gen. Gurmeet. So when I interacted with the soldierspal of Uttarakhand, Lt. Gen. Gurmeet. So, when I interacted with the soldiers and we were near Tiger Hill, they told me that the war we won was only because

of the courage of our soldiers. Otherwise, there were many shortcomings in that war. Because you also went to Kargil. You almost went, you didn't fight, but you went. This is what a soldier said to me 20 years later said that there were many shortcomings. We won only because our soldiers realized how precious it was, how big its impact would be. That's why we took our lives, fought, fought, were martyred and today we have saved the country. Now I am asking this question again, that you mentioned the courage of the soldiers, what are the shortcomings in the Indian Army?

Because no one is questioning the courage of the soldiers. Off the record, on the record. What are the other things that we can do better? Look, everyone has their own views. I believe that somewhere, our basic army, which fights, every army fights, Air Force, Navy, Army, Armored, Artillery, Infantry, all of them fight and do their job and do a good job. But the backbone of the Reed is the Infantry. If all our ships, tanks and ships fail, then the soldiers will still fight. The soldiers of the Infantry will fight till the last day, whether they have support from the force support, aviation support, tank support, artillery support or not,

he will fight. In that, I feel that our training in the infantry is lacking somewhere.

Like?

See, what disturbs me a lot, all the encounters that have happened in the last 10 years, look at Kashmir. In every encounter, if we have killed two Ugradis, then we have killed two soldiers. Sometimes more. to surprise training is going on, then somewhere or the other, that training is incomplete, somewhere or the other, that training is not being done seriously, somewhere or the other, whether it is lower level or higher level, the priorities that are being given. See, I have a few more things, 90% of the officers of the army,

I don't want to say this, it might be against me, but there is a support system, there is an orderly system in The army has an orderly system. It is wrong to call a soldier a servant. A soldier is called a helper in everything. But he is doing everything for you, which a servant does at home. See, why our soldiers have become so successful in British India? Because the soldier has that pride that he is a soldier.

But when you are making him do things that a soldier should not do, and he is made to wear a jama, then I will also be responsible for the incidents that are happening. Secondly, you can go to any training centre. It's not that I left the army so many years ago. I am in touch with the Indian Army.

I talk to the soldiers. As I said, I have become a journalist now. So I know everything. What is happening, how is it happening, what changes are coming. So this is happening in training centers. Some good commanders come and get it done. But mostly, you have assigned a leader everywhere.

Wherever the commander or the colonel needs a favor, he gives a leader in the army. And who goes to the leader? The soldiers of the infantry. The same soldiers, Rajput, Jat, Sikh, Gurkha, the ones who fight, if you get them to do this work, then somewhere or the other, our training,

their motivation level and the results we are getting, will be revealed. I remembered a soldier's statement after listening to you. Because there were many soldiers with us on a channel. So I asked them how to find out if the terrorist is from Kashmir or Pakistan. So, he gave me a very small example that if the martyrdom is more of them, that you read the news that four terrorists were killed and no soldiers were martyred or one soldier was martyred. So, it was Kashmir's.

Because they are not so trained, they are new, they were sent forward in enthusiasm. But if it is heard in reverse that two terrorists were killed and four of our soldiers were martyred, then it is understood that he came from the border because he was very trained. He came with difficulties. So, I always had a question in my mind that if a terrorist is getting trained so much, then are we getting weak in training?

And this is what the soldier has said. I am telling you that the training of the one who has come from across the border is not more than a few weeks. Here we train in the center for 9 months, a new recruit. His training is continuously going on in the unit. So somewhere there is a shortage in it. And what is our problem?

Now I am saying this, tomorrow 10 people will abuse me for this. How can you say this about your army? It is necessary to say that it is our army. If we don't address this and let it remain within the army, then this can never be improved. I have another question in my mind.

Because this has been mentioned. A soldier told me that the parade on 26th January, we show our duties in that parade. As a demonstration of tolerance and non-violence. How do you see it as a soldier? See, March pass is fine, your demonstration of strength is right, it is a very good thing.

Our citizens, their morale increases, see how strong our army is and can protect us. It is a very good thing. But the thing that I am a little against thing that I have been seeing since childhood, there is a motorcycle, there are sticks on it, some have 10 people, some have 20 people, some are riding on it. We are not a circus, we are an army and we should only show what our combat potential shows. Yes, the glimpses are different, they show our

cultural heritage, they are different things. our cultural heritage. They show the power of Shaini Shakti, which shows our combat potential to the world and to our citizens. This is how it becomes a joke. My friends from abroad, my army officers from many countries, we meet and talk. Someone showed me a clip.

Raj, is this the Indian Army? He is riding a motorcycle with a big moustache and five or six people are climbing up and down. And we are riding our duty in the National Republic Day. What impression are we giving to the world? I don't want to be extra critical, but we have to stop doing this circus and all. Let's show only combat power when we show it to our citizens, to increase their morale.

And to create an impression in the world that what we are, we should only show our strength and avoid these things. Indian Army or the entire Indian military force, you have seen many countries in the world closely. US, Ukraine, Russia, Israel, you have seen, you have seen the revolutionary force of Iran. Where does the Indian army stand out? Or overall, where does India stand as a powerful country?

In terms of tactics, in terms of weapons. I am talking about everything except the morale of the soldiers. Look, it is not that I have told you this thing, that the morale of the soldiers is down. When our soldiers are in need... I am not talking about the morale of the soldiers because I know that it is very high. Yes, no matter what, when the need arises, the soldier will stand up and do his job with

full responsibility. As far as the question of numbering is concerned, what is our number? Look, we have a very large army. More than 1.1 million standing army, which is the largest army in the world. So we have grown in size. And this is a quote from an American journal just a few years back. He says, Indian army is a crumbling edifice.

I don't agree with this. Let's say we have shortcomings. Every country has shortcomings. Nothing can be perfect. We need to tell our shortcomings so that we can take action on them, change them, and bring about improvement. Nothing can be perfect. It is important to tell us the flaws so that we can take action on it,

bring about change and reform. This is the purpose of removing the flaws. It is not the purpose of denigrating our army. But we have qualities too. Where we have produced very great leaders also in the Indian army. And where people have gone despite of Hajivir Pass, we had taken it. One Para, my unit is old, One Para was involved in this.

We gave it back to Pakistan, which I have just seen. Two weeks ago, I was on LOC and I saw Hajivir Pass. It was so difficult to take it. So, overall, if you see our morale, our spirit, our organization, our technical power, our firepower index. I believe that we are one of the best armies in the world. It is difficult to rank us. We are fourth or fifth, but we are one of the best armies in the world.

And the technological changes that have come in the world, we need to focus on that a little more, so that we can match the modern armies of the world. Now, India is buying a lot of weapons. There is a lot of talk about Rafale. We have ordered a lot from France. We are making compromises with Russia. We are doing drills with America.

These are world-level equipment that we are buying. I am comparing it with the new technology. If you take OAPS Sindoor, the S-400, which we have taken from the Russian air defence system, has proved to be very effective. If any Pakistani aircraft or missile has not been able to reach its target, which is a loss, the S-400 is a great credit to it. So it's a very good deal and now we are trying to have S-500 also, which is a very good deal. As far as Rafale is concerned, I am not in full agreement with that because I've seen now around the world, ki kis tarah ki developments ho rahi hain. Now is the age of unmanned platforms. Manned

platform kuch rahenge, lekin zyadah tar unmanned platforms ho jayenge. Aur Hawaizahar me bhi, The big armies and the advanced countries of technology are all focused on unmanned platforms. Even countries like Turkey, they have recently used an unmanned aircraft to shoot down a fourth generation manned aircraft. So, the technology has developed to that level. At that stage, when we are developing so much technology so quickly, a 4.5 generation aircraft, which was built in 1989 and is in service, and we will get it in the next 10 years. So, if we are using a Jihad of 1986 in 2036,

which is 50 years old, then somewhere, it was not a good deal for us. It is a bad deal. If there are some clauses in this that the general public does not know, which are not in the public domain, then I cannot say. Maybe the government has made a deal that is not in the public domain.

People do not know in the public domain, which is going to transfer some technology. But the source code of the aircraft is not ready to share with us. So I don't think we have any advantage. If we get the source code, then we can put our weapons in it, which we have made intelligently in India. France has also clearly refused to share that with us. If we are not getting the source

code of their 4.5 generation aircraft, which we will get by 2036. I don't agree with this.

Is there corruption in Indian Army?

Look, now you will make me die by saying that if I say yes, then I will be raised in my army by my friends and all. Many people will say this to me. But yes, there is corruption in the army and there is a lot of corruption in the services. At what level, how is corruption in the army and there is a lot of corruption in the services. At what level? How is the corruption? I don't know the level.

Because I...

What kind of corruption?

I used to do car rallies. I used to run a car rally in 2006 in the extreme category. There were problems again and again. Then I... The officers of EME, who are in the army, who repair cars, takes all the contracts,

that person, he was telling me about a contractor who supplies grease to the army. He says that we are giving fake grease from the third party. I am surprised how the army is running with the vehicles. And the ones who are procuring, they don't know what is coming. So there is corruption in the supplies, whether it ordnance, supply core services or EME. There is corruption in these. Since I joined the army, I was a youngster,

I was a left-hand captain. I have been hearing about it since then. There is corruption in them. But it is difficult to pinpoint the level. How is it possible? The army is the place where a person is ready to forget his family and give his martyrdom. So, where there is such a level of dedication that you don't care about your life, how has corruption been brought up there for so many years?

Because it is shown in every other film. We also watch through films, we also listen to stories. I also had Mr. V.K. Singh with me. I tried to understand from him too. And from the time of Rajiv Gandhi to now, every time the opposition, which is not a We watch it through films, we hear it in stories. I also had V.K. Singh with me. I tried to understand him as well.

And since the time of Rajiv Gandhi, the opposition has been accusing that this deal was a waste of money.

How is it possible?

Look, I will tell you two things. First, everyone is dedicated. When you are enlisted in the army, you are an officer, a soldier, you are told to choose which department you want to go to. There are war departments, infantry, armoured, artillery, which go and fight in the front, in front of the enemy's armoured vehicles. Then there are some departments that stay behind. You have to supply lentils, lentils, ration,

you have to supply weapons, clothes, you have to supply clothes, you have to supply lentils, ration, weapons, clothes, repair your vehicles. These people never come face to face in a fight. Yes, they can reach in difficult conditions, there can be bombardment. They are also afraid. But in a face-to-face fight, they never feel that way. Many people go and opt for this.

That we have to go to the supply corps, we have to go to the ordnance, we have to go to the UN, we have to go to the EM. They never opt out. They are afraid that we might get into the infantry. So it's not like we are cowards, or that everyone comes to fight and be martyred for the country. There are many people who come only as a job. Second, you said that we have heard a lot of corruption. Why don't we make a small deal? As I told you earlier, the backbone of our army is the infantry. Until the enemy's land is not under the infantryman's boot, victory is not guaranteed. No matter how many bombs you drop, how many ships you bomb, destroy the whole of Pakistan, China, until the infantryman reaches there and does not keep the infantry soldiers reach there, the land will not be in its bootcatch,

the victory has not been achieved. And as I said, all of this will also be finished. All ships, cannons, infantry will fight then too. And will keep fighting till the end. But till now, and I left the army 8-9 years ago, from second lieutenant to lieutenant colonel, whoever has worked for 20-25 years, we did not have basic equipment. Not even now. I will go and see. You will see any grade 1 army, 1st world army, they will all have knee pads, they will all have goggles, they will all have quality helmets, they will all have

Kevlar vests. We don't have that even now. And these things, the money you are spending on one aircraft carrier, the billion dollars you are investing on just one aircraft, you can equip the entire infantry with that. But in all these years, till the time I left the army, we were using the same helmet that was used in the Second World War. Our weapons, the rifle that a soldier has to fight with, was a rifle of a third world country. It was not a First World Army's rifle. None of them had a bulletproof vest.

Even now, 80% of the soldiers don't have bulletproof vests, which is used in every army. They forget about knee pads, it's not even a thing, Goggles have left them, it's just for show. So, the basic soldiers who have fought till the last breath, you couldn't equip them properly. And then

all these aircraft carriers, Rafales, and these deals, those deals. Now, why do these things happen? And why these lower level generals, who are our generals, why haven't they been able to do a project that we have to get basic equipment for these soldiers, but we are not able to get it. Why are we not able to get it?

The captain can't say this, the major can't say this. The generals have to say this. Why haven't they said it till now? But the general who has gone up, is he so disconnected from the ones below? Look, there is one that you give us a list and we will choose the general, we will choose the army commander,

then there will be a number game. The quality deteriorates. And as far as the present government is concerned, as far as their interference is concerned, I think that somewhere, and this is not the case of this government, every government, there was a Congress government, no one in India likes it when a general stands up and says, Sir, we want this and we need this and this should happen. They want to hear what we say once,

and we will do it, but they don't want to stand up and say it again.

Request.

They do request, but after that, they quietly accept what we say. We request them to listen to us. We read the books of General Maniksha and General Sundarji. Have we heard anyone's name who has said that this is our critical requirement and we need it? No. If we are given a panel of five and we choose one, then we may not even listen. Mr. Narwade has also published a book, which has received a lot of controversy. That was after his retirement. It was published after his retirement,

on which a ban has been imposed. The ban has been held, but not released. Two things were leaked out. One was about Agni Veer, that the army was not ready. But as a journalist,

which I covered, or you must have heard about it in that era, because it is the same news. Yes. It was said that it was an old draft of the army, which was later executed. And it was the army's proposal, we executed it. And the second, the fight with China. It was said that when Mr. Narwade was asked what should be done, it was said, whatever you think.

He said, this was the way to escape responsibility. It is a book about retirement, The book is not published. But how are you seeing both these incidents? Because people are saying that this is also happening for the first time. That a general wrote all these things.

Usually these things were not discussed.

The war is over now. The war is over now. This is about retirement. Why didn't he talk about it when he was in service? If you are a commander of the Indian Army, 1.1 million strong army, Why didn't you talk about it when you were in service? Because you don't want to get anything now. Why didn't you talk about it then? Secondly, I will tell you this from the inside.

When we are talking about Agni Veer, there is a commanders conference where all the army commanders come. The chief comes. I am telling you the information of the person who was present there. All the army commanders, everybody was against Agni Veer. All army commanders were against this.

And then they were told by chief that these are the orders from Prime Minister and we have to implement this and let's agree to this. And then everybody agreed. If the generals have reached there, why did they compromise it? Why didn't they say that we are against it? Why didn't they write that we are against this? After retirement, we are saying, what difference does it make? Why didn't Mr. Narayan Raj say that we are against it at that time?

But there are theories that it was in demand for 45 years. No, no, we have also been there. We have been with the youth. Even now, the youth are so enraged about this thing. Everyone wants security. You want security, I want it too.

You know what is going to happen to us after a few years. We don't know anything. There is still anger and no army detail was demanded. This was a political decision which was taken, imposed upon army. And none of our generals spoke against it. And that's why I'm so bitter about generals. But in that case. General V.K. Singh was a part of it.

He was telling his positive things. He was a minister. We are Indians, so what is our problem? First look at ourselves, if my house is full, we will look at the country later. He was a minister, why didn't he say? Why didn't Narwani sir say? Now tell me what is the point?

Because by putting these people in front, the public... Is the governor still a government? Yes, I mean, the government is a member of the BJP. Why? So, you should have been said at that time. So, this Agni virus is not beneficial for the Indian army? Look, I will not go into this analysis. It is not beneficial.

But generally, it was opposed at the youth level and at the top level. Even after that, this thing was imposed on us.

Okay.

Whether it is beneficial or not, that analysis is different. But was there a ruckus about it in the army or you are saying?

It is still is. You still carry it? Yes.

It is a very painful thing that you are doing.

Let me ask the last question on this. When the theories of Kargil came, there were many things that even at that time there were no equipment. There was no proper equipment. The equipment that was needed to fight that kind of war.

Is it true?

You have seen the videos, photos of Kargil, right?

Yes.

How many Jawans are wearing bulletproof? Look at the photos again, you won't find even one. Do you know how bulletproof they were at that time? What kind of things were they? They were iron plates, steel plates, 16 kg each. You couldn't walk on them.

At that time, a new concept was started at that time, cliff assault. You have to climb the cliff, which is at an angle of 80-90 degrees, and assault. There is no question about that. Kevlar bulletproof jackets are light, you could have given that to those soldiers who were going to the cliff assault. They didn't have it either. They don't have have it. They still don't. So who are these people who come from the army and say on TV that now we are highly

equipped, everything is better, now there is a lot of expenditure, now the army has priority, the army takes its own decisions. All these statements are heard by the common people. This is true. This is true. The army has got a lot of independence after coming to this government.

And to a great extent, the ability to buy the army commanders, they have been given money that you can buy yourself. But there is a limited choice. For example, let me give you an example with drones. They can buy drones at the battalion level because they need it. But the list of vendors comes from above.

That this is India, which we have to make ourselves. You have to buy made in India. They don't have quality. They steal everything that we supply. They steal Chinese parts, stamp on them, on chips, made in Vietnam, made in Singapore. They are all Chinese.

They are selling it at a very high price. Everyone is doing this. Whether it is from outside or inside. If you put so much restriction, if you limit it, then this will happen. This will be the result. This will be the result. But yes, I accept this and I believe that to a great extent,

the commanders, our senior army commanders, to a great extent, this new government has given them a freedom of action to decide what is right and what is not. New equipment has come. Don't say that nothing new will happen. A lot of new equipment has come and. And improvements are being made continuously.

But a lot more is yet to happen. And I repeat, our first priority, our basic building block, the Infantry Soldier should start from there. Then it should go to Aircraft Carriers and Rafales. The first start should be from there. Where there are still a lot of things which need to be done. Now, we have connected India to the global level and asked a few questions. CIA is famous for turning the world upside down.

The Russian agency gives poison to the enemies and Mossad plays games at a different level. What should we learn from the RAW that is going on today?

What can we learn from these three agencies?

Look, Mossad is class apart. Mossad starts its planning long before.

Is Mossad better than CIA?

Mossad has no competitor. Let me give you an example. You will understand it well. There were pages near Hezbollah commander because they didn't use phones. You will get to know the location. They started using pages. Now see, from the stage from where the order was placed, since then the Muslims have kept an eye on it. From where the order will be placed, where they will be made, where explosives will be

put in them, when will they get Hezbollah supply. This planning has been going on for so many years. And this is a classical example, something which was pulled off by an intelligence agency ever in the world. This has never happened before, nor will it ever happen again. In one strike, they incapacitated 50% of Hezbollah's top commanders. And this planning has been going on for so many years, and it has been such a difficult planning. No other intelligence agency can even think of this, including CIA. CIA has a lot of money. They specialize in color revolutions like Maidan in Ukraine in 2014 and around the world like what they did in Bangladesh

They specialize in this CIE Because they have a lot of money. You throw money away. What they did in Venezuela. You throw money away and buy someone. They say I will send your family there to America. Your kids will study in America. You will get an American passport. You have to do this. And the poor countries, including India, You said that we will give you an American passport,

your whole family is settled in America, your children will study in America, and you will get paid as much as you want. How many people are ready to work for this? This is the situation in the whole world. In poor countries.

And the CIA has no shortage of money. They make you work. Mossad is a professional, dedicated agency. That's different. The second biggest agency is MI6 of Britain. That is a bit of CIA. You can put it between Mossad and CIA. It has been quite successful in setting its narrative. The KGB of Russians was a different level. But the agency they are in now and the deputy leaders, they are in the hospital now. The difference in the talks between Russia and Ukraine was quite significant.

Two days ago, they were assassinated. Now, their level is not at that level.

Because of money.

They have less money, less resources, less reach. But how did Mossad become so big? A small country. Dedication. You cannot throw money at an Israeli agency and show them your passport to an Israeli agency and buy it.

Which is possible in 90% of the countries. It can't be done there. You are saying that the most honest country in the world is Israel. Let me give you an example to explain this. When the war started in Ukraine, Ukrainian men were trying to escape. At that time, the goal was $3000 per man.

You give $3000 bribe to the goal was 3000 dollars per man. You can bribe the border guards for 3000 dollars and they will let you go. They were running away from the country, so that they don't have to fight. When it was 7th October, I reached Tel Aviv on 9th October. Flights were going from all over the world to Israel to fight. That we will go and fight again.

This is the difference between Israel and other countries in the world. That's why the Gulf country is... Dedication. Now see how many there are. 80 lakh people. There are 10 times bigger countries than them on all sides. There is a population of 10 times more. They are all trying to destroy it together since 1948.

And they have defeated everyone every time. They have defeated every time. How can this be? 80 lakh people, 8 crore people, 80 crore people, who have their resources, and who have attacked you, and you still defeated them. How is this possible? So that Israeli nation, that dedication, that loyalty and love for the country,

that dedication that you can do anything for the country, you won't find that in the world or anywhere else. But is the need for spies decreasing? Because now technology has increased so much, like we saw in Iran, that drones were attacked in many places, scientists were killed in Iraq.

Will the need for spies decrease in the future due to technology? See, we call this electronic intelligence, signal intelligence, different satellite intelligence and then something called human int. Human int is always critical. When you get intelligence, you get a lot of intelligence. It is very difficult to shift it. You have 2000 pages, and intelligence is of 2 pages. It is very difficult to take out 2 pages. So everything is corroborated. Signal intelligence, electronic intelligence, your satellite intelligence

and human intelligence. And this human is the most important part. When you corroborate, you get the right information from there. And human will never be irrelevant in the world. And human, only your own people, your spies, your agents, can provide you human and they cannot come from anywhere else. No, but I asked this technology because I heard about Venezuela that America cyber attacked. All the coordination was finished.

Even with Iran, when Israel and America tried to neutralize their weapons, all their technology was disappearing. It was all faded out. Is this the next war? The one who has control and machine is winning the world. Venezuela is a strong country, they have a good army. Not like Iran. Iran is much more bigger and much more powerful.

I don't know the exact figure, but I think Venezuela is something about 8 million people and Iran is almost 86 million people. And Iran is a very old and proud country. It has a civilization as old as ours. And the military power of Iran, and now there is support, there are news that many Chinese aircrafts are landing there. So technology was always important. When Babur came, why did Babur win with such a

small army, how did heur win with such a small army? How did he win against the Indian army?

He brought a round bomb.

Round bomb, because we didn't have artillery. They had technology. So technology is still important, but today its importance has increased. Because technology is evolving very fast. Introduction of drones, robotics, AI. It has changed everything. And the country that will gain more skills in these fields,

it will always have an edge. The human element in warfare and spying has reduced, it will never end. It will still be the man behind the machine who will always matter. But machine has become much more important. And their scope in warfare, the things they do, has increased a lot now. And we need to catch up with that too. But like a drone, a drone worth lakhs, is flying a tank worth crores. So, the old warfare system, where you used to buy a tank worth crores,

or you used to buy aircraft, their value will decrease. Now what happened? It started with a work. You must have heard about two countries, Armenia and Azerbaijan. I was there too. I have seen it myself. Nowadays, India only covers the war. In Nagorno-Karabakh, there are equal armies.

The number of tanks, the number of air defense, the number of weapons, the motivation is equal. And in 48 hours, Armenia surrenders that we have to stop the fight. We raise our hands. Because drones, for the first time time at such a high level. Telki's drones in Azerbaijan.

Yes, they bought them from Azerbaijan, the directed drones. So you think, 48 tanks are deployed on the ground in an area of 3-4 km. And suddenly something is falling from above and the tanks are being destroyed. They don't understand what is happening and how to respond. So, if your equal army is fighting in front of you, and you raise your hand in 48 hours that we won't be able to fight, because they don't understand.

So, the new technology will surprise you. And I believe that all the big armies in the world, whether it is China, Russia, America, and to some extent, I'd say, Japan and Israel. They will have at least one technology that is not mentioned anywhere, that has not been published anywhere, and that will only be used at a critical phase of the war.

And if we want to win the war of the future, then we should at least have one weapon that is not just a technology that is different from the league, that is not just a current technology or current platforms, but something completely different, that is in a completely different domain, that no one knows about, and that can be used at the critical stage of warfare. If we can develop that, then we can say that we can stand in the league of big countries.

So is that why you scaled China higher than Russia? That now the real fight is between America and China? It's also economy.

Money.

Money.

Now see, the fight in Russia, China is sustaining to a great extent. Where are the chips coming from? All the electronics are coming from China. Otherwise Russia cannot sustain it. And why is we are being forced to buy oil?, Russia cannot do this. Why is the oil being forced on us? Everyone is asking us not to buy oil.

Why?

Because they want to break the economic backbone of Russia. If the economy of Russia collapses, the military will collapse. We have agreed to this. Whether it is agreed or not, it is not in black and white. Now they have removed the extra 25% tariff. Is it still not accepted? Has it not come in black and white? Now they have removed 25% of the extra tariff.

The clarity that was given, it was also written in that. The statement that is coming, it is coming now. From one day, all the things are coming out in that. But has the statement come? Our official statement that we will stop buying Russian. Yes, but they have said that if you buy by mistake, then they will again hit.

Yes, they not said that we will stop it. This is not an official statement. But he has made it clear that we have removed it. And he has assured us. And he has also threatened us. There can be another angle to this. See, there is a lot of pressure on Donald Trump. That a country like India has done so much for you. It has shown you the thumb and gone.

That you do whatever you want. We will not stop oil purchases. So after this deal, he had a face-saving in America. Look, I have told India and India will not buy any more oil. The political elite in India, who is ruling, they said, look, we have such a big power, we stood against it. You keep saying something, which will be in the interest of our people, we will do that, we will buy oil. We didn't say that we will stop the oil.

So, we didn't say that we will stop it. They said it. They said that we will stop it. So, even Trump could save, has a face saving his country. Our political elite has a face saving India. If I can surprise you with an easier question.

How big is the perception in world politics? Perception is everything. If you say that now America, Europe is not entering inside Ukraine because perception is that Russia will either use nuclear weapons or their troops will be destroyed when they enter Ukraine. So if you see a weak country, you will be considered weak. And the narrative warfare, you see how much was spent in this fight. All the Russian narrative they made sure that it is not telecasted anywhere, it is not accessible. Neither through social

media platforms, nor through media, nor through print media, anywhere in the West. Because if they continue their narrative, that there is a threat, Russia is coming, Russia is coming, an attack is coming, then you can scare your people and give as much help as you want. You can use weapons, but there will be no opposition. So, narrative is that important. You can fool entire populations. You can make entire populations support something, which they don't want to even support. That is how... Is it because of language also that China and Russia don't have a narrative?

Or is it their tactic? RTS Sputnik is in English. Russia today, TV which is all over in the US, in Europe, used to telecast. It's in English. They shut it down. They put a ban on everything. See, the West totally dominates the media, the information space, where information warfare is fought. That is totally dominated by the West. First, let's talk about physical first. All the undersea cables that you get from the internet,

they are all owned by Western companies. All social media platforms also. All social, your satellites. Starlink has more satellites than probably America and Russia put together. All media platforms, Meta, Facebook, Telegram, everything is owned by them. All your data centers, even TikTok now, it will come. Why America is so hell bent that TikTok servers will be in America?

And now they will have to have a partner, which is an American partner, which has a majority stake. Because everything is about information and influencing minds of the people. You can change anything. You can make a lie look like a truth and make a truth look like a lie. We have gone way back. Today, if I talk about China and Russia, China and Russia have planned so much that

they have Google, YouTube, WhatsApp in their country. They have their own social media platforms. The phone I am using is also American. The app I tweet on is also American. The place I post photos is also American. The place I get money from,, that is also American. The place where I post photos is also American. The place where I get money from, YouTube, is also American.

And how much will it be shown that the algorithm is also American? Everything is, they have total domination. That's why I am saying it's not about language. They totally dominate the information sphere. We also have money. We have Ambani Ji, Adani Ji, Arbo, Kharbo, Rupeta, Tata ji from Urupeta. Why didn't we take a step towards technology? The world is saying that everything is technology now.

Why do we only print and make? Someone printed it and gave a high copy. Look, we started very late. We got independence in 1947. China in 1949. After the communist revolution, they made a country and started developing it.

Now, China and India, what is the difference? Malaysia was a jungle till 1960. Totally tropical climate, British colony. I think they got independence in 1960. Today, look at how far Malaysia has come from us. So, our policies in the beginning, socialism policies, which came in the beginning of the Congress era. Socialism, we were so close to this thing. We didn't open up our economy. We talk about License Raj, Inspector Raj.

So, it has strangled the entrepreneurship. There is so much entrepreneurship in India, but it has strangled it. When it opened after 1990, our actual journey started in 1990. So, it was difficult to catch up with the world.

But in today's time, it's social media. Earlier we used to run Orkut. After Orkut, we came to Facebook. From Facebook, we came to Insta. Today, Twitter and YouTube. If a big businessman in India starts a new platform,

gives an Indian touch, and if he gets good revenue in foreign countries, people will use it. The biggest population is Indians. Today, people around the world are taking views in the name of India. Our population is so big. So, didn't we utilize this population?

The one that could have become a power, we kept running it as a weakness. See, I would say that this is their head start. They are way ahead of the game. Technology is also involved. Now, I can't remember the name of the person behind me.

An Indian started this email and the whole thing started. The Home Minister also tweeted that I am using this email. Do you remember a guy in South? Yes, I remember. Now I can't hear his name anywhere. At that time, I also said that we will start our Hindustanese. That instead of WhatsApp, we will use this. His memory stopped.

He has reached that level that he has money, technology, and the head start is very big.

He has started catching up.

He has not even become a tool of the political party. That's not just an Indian problem, it's a problem of the whole world. Every media platform is biased. We used to hear about the big gold standard journalists, BBC, CNN, Washington Post, New York Times. The fight of Ukraine has shown that no media is unbiased. Everyone runs a narrative of their country, political parties, ideology. And lies can prove truth and truth can prove lies.

Gold standard journalism does not exist in this world. Now a very interesting topic, which is a big topic in this. You mentioned Mossad.

Epstein file has come.

Yes.

There are two stories of Epstein File. One is the story of filth. Look, how black all the white posts are. The dialogue of the pastry was that Mumbai is a gutter, it is good if it is closed. If its smell comes out, everyone will be worried.

One more theory is coming. The story behind it is connected to Mossad. Is it true that Epstein file or Epstein was behind Mossad? See, this is just one story. This is happening in America. And especially the left wing politicians of Democratic Party are running that Epstein was a Mossad agent basically. He used to trap the big politicians of every country, the industrialists, they had videos and photos of them, they could blackmail them. But what is England running? What is MI6 running?

That Epstein was a Russian agent. You open it and see, the internet is full. MI6 is running it. I am telling you, this information is such a dirty game and any truth can be made a lie and that lie can be the truth. Now, the whole MI6, because Europe wants to continue this war with Russia. The whole game of MI6 is that Epstein was a Russian asset, Russian agent and he was paid for, he tried to meet Putin. You yourself said that meet Putin, I could not meet him. If you are my agent, then what is the problem in meeting me?

There is no need to try so hard. But they are running this story. And here, because there is a very strong anti-Jewish lobby, especially in the left wing America, they are saying that he is a Mossad agent. rich man, and he kept everyone happy and kept doing his work. Now these are political narratives, everyone is running it according to their own. Which topic did you find the most shocking in Epstein file? Like there were many shocks, each other's name was shocking, each other's story was shocking.

But it happens that because you were also a soldier, then you must have been covering, you must have had an opinion. Like I talk about myself. I was shocked by Bill Gates. He looked like a saint. We read stories about him since childhood, about his greatness, about distributing vaccines. And when the story came that he was giving drugs to his wife,

and he had relations with Russian women, he was in an STD. Similarly, there was another great scientist. When the story came about him, I was expecting Donald Trump. I was expecting Donald Trump, Bill Gates, and Bill Clinton, because their names are mentioned in the wrong files everywhere. You can make a dirty picture of them.

What was the most dangerous name and story for you? Look, I don't have a very spicy name, but what surprised me, the latest news that came out, a lot of girls there are smuggled from Turkey. And there is a Ukrainian angle in that. My focus is on the Russian-Ukrainian war and the Middle East war.

And the girls who came in that were a lot of Kurdish girls. Kurdish girls, the Kurds who are fighting now, who have always had a struggle with Turkey, and now fighting against the Syrian government and the Syrian government. The girls who were captured and the children who were captured during the fight. And the Ukrainian, I shouldn't say this because I live in that country, Zelensky's wife's organization was involved in helping orphan girls and sending them to Turkey.

And there, two Ukrainian girls were pregnant, the staff of the organization were underage girls. And a very big racket came out that many girls were supplied from Turkey to the US. In fact, Epstein sent Turkish girls to get massage training. So that they can learn massage and come back. So, for me, the involvement of Turkey in this whole episode of Epstein Felk was very interesting and surprising. You know, it's so deep that a different world is going on in the whole world.

Yes, like information, whether it's domestic politics, domestic scene or international scene. What is true, you won't see it, and what you see is not true. Although I asked this question because the name of Maxwell in it, Epstein's wife, she had got a lot of theories that he was his father in Israel, he was a spy, and that's why that connection went on for a long time. His wife trapped Epstein, then got him done through Ep media. There are so many theories, what to believe in, what to leave. It's difficult. Because as it is said, in everything, either the Russians are held responsible

or the Jews are held responsible. These are the lobbies that work all over the world, anti-Jewish and Russophobic lobbies. They will always blame everything on Jews or Russia. India-Russia friendship will be ruined if India stops taking oil? No. India-Russia friendship can never be damaged. Because India has a strong public sentiment, whether it is a political elite or not. One sentiment is very strong that when we needed it, in the war of 1971, when the US

threatened us, their 7th fleet had moved to the Bay of Bengal. That you cannot do this operation. It was the Soviet Union which moved the submarines just behind this fleet. And somewhere, there is a gratitude. It is in the public as well, not just in the political elite. When we were in trouble, the only country that stood with us was Russia. And now when Russia is in trouble difficult time, we cannot leave it.

So I don't think that this oil will keep going up and down. If India would have said that we have made oil almost zero, let's say after a few months, whether it is from the shadow fleet or not, it will go up again. Or we will start buying more uranium from them. Or we will start buying more gems.

But the total volume of trade through which our money is going to Russia will not change much.

Is it because they are trustworthy?

They are trustworthy and India does not want to prove itself as a traitor. Okay. There is a separate fight going on in the Middle East as well. There are many Muslim countries in the Middle East. What was your overall analysis that why this Christian dominance became so heavy? While America destroyed Iraq, Syria, and is now destroying Iran in different countries. How is this possible?

How many people are in the Middle East who are not able to win against Israel or America. While they are financially fine and have good money. Or is money the only reason they kept fighting and dominating the Christian countries? Look, there is a very special thing about the Middle East. The thinking of the government and the ruling elites there has always been very different from the public. The public, whether it is Egypt, Jordan, Saudi Arabia or any other Middle East country,

they have a lot of support for Palestine and they are totally anti-Israel.

But the governments on top, a lot of them are not overtly, maybe covertly pro-Israel or pro-America.

When you are pro-America, you are by default pro-Israel.

Those ruling elites, who have a guarantee that most of them are not democracies. They are all kings and despots who are sitting there. So, they have a guarantee from America and it is since Petrodollar agreement between Saudi Arabia and US that they will safeguard the royal family from internal as well as external threats. That's why this petrodollar was signed. That was the deal. And if you see the biggest, the biggest Islamist country which spreads Wahhabism and terrorism in the world is Bahrain. Sorry Qatar, not Bahrain, Qatar in Doha. And the biggest headquarter, CENTCOM,

the Central Command of the entire NATO, of the American fleet, its headquarter is in Doha. Because people can be against it, but the elite, their protection is from America. Now Iran said that if we attack,

then don't attack us, we will attack their base. So this game that is going on there, public, most of these countries have banned Islamic Brotherhood. It is not banned in the UK, the US has banned it now, but it is banned in the entire Middle East. The government of Islamic Brotherhood that came to Egypt, the Fatah Al-Sisi, the president of Egypt, they had hanged the elected president of that government because the people want the Islamic Brotherhood. But the elites don't want it.

So there is a complete division in the elites, the normal public, the Middle East. And as long as it remains, no matter how effective it is.

That's why Israel survives.

Israel has many other reasons. This is also a reason that they could never give a joint front. America is a reason that America's support has always been with Israel. And thirdly, it is their own sentiment. These are the three reasons. We see this in Pakistan as well. Asem Munir and Shabaz Sharif have also signed an agreement

that they will also stop the fight. And if Hezbollah and Hamas come, they will also attack. Look, Pakistan doesn't have that much capacity. Because Pakistan is under tremendous pressure of US and also IMF. Because they need loans. So they will not take any such action.

But let me tell you an interesting news. That now Israel has become very active in Balochistan. Because on one side of Balochistan is Iran. And in Iran there is a province called CIS Balochistan. All of them are Sunni Muslims. They are Baloch.

Whereas Iran is a Shia country. So they have always been suppressing them. The Balochs in Iran. So Iran is the number one enemy of Israel and Pakistan, the nuclear country is its enemy. If Balochistan becomes an independent country tomorrow and if it allies with Iran, like the Kurds are doing now, it allies with Israel. So this is the best scenario for Israel where they can keep an eye on Iran as well as Pakistan at the same time with a base in Balochistan.

Is it possible?

It is happening. The Baloch leaders, the Economic Times has published an interview of a Baloch leader who is in exile. He said that we have told Israel to support us and we will recognize Israel, we will have diplomatic relations with Israel and we will recognize Israel. We will have diplomatic relations with Israel and we will support it. Mir Baloch and others have published it.

There are two or three different magazines, media outlets, which have published an interview with Baloch leaders in exile. And the news that I have a little bit is that Israel is now actively involved in Balochistan. When you go to other countries in the world, you have visited almost 100 countries,

you have seen life.

How do people see Pakistan? What is the respect in Pakistan?

You can understand from a small incident, I don't need to say it. When they go out and open their restaurant, they write Pakistan restaurant, they write Indian restaurant. And if someone gets stuck somewhere, they ask him,

where are you from? He says, I am from India. Because they know that if they speak in Pakistan, they will be stabbed. When they say, I am from Pakistan, their credibility is zero everywhere. And people think of them as Islamists and terrorists. That's their image. So even if they open a business, they'll open with the Indian name.

And when they get trapped somewhere, they say, I'm an Indian. And they must have known the names of four cities. Punjab. People know that. The majority of the people who are outside of Punjab are Pakistani. Most of them are from Pakistan and Punjab. Nice. We have heard this. Many people have said that we call ourselves Indians. Okay.

Does America deliberately fuel wars so that arms trade continues? Look, there is

Edward Snowden.

Edward Snowden. He was the whistleblower, said that the West's effort is not to finish a war. It is all these efforts are to make sure that the war continues. It's not a victory. It's a war to continue. The longer the war, the more weapons you will have. Which companies benefited most from Russia-Ukraine war? Which companies went up?

European countries?

All military industrial complexes of US. Boeing, Lockheed Martin, all the Etheon, their shares went up. They all went by 26-30% up because they thought weapons are being sold. Now they have made Europeans afraid. Russia is coming. Prepare your army. Now if you prepare your army, where will you buy weapons from? They have to be NATO specification. NATO specification means they have to buy it from America.

So more countries in NATO means more weapons will be sold. There was a statement on this as well that so much fake information was taken out in Operation Sindoor so that the arms business continues. The one that came up with the 60 Rafale that came up, or came here. Because the fight was going on, Chinese industry vs France industry, American industry. The arms that India had were of France industry.

The arms that Pakistan had were of Chinese industry and American industry. And a theory came out that this is why the market was spread. Because this was the first war, the war between the nuclear countries. So that now the country will be excited to see that this won, so let's make more weapons. Look, there is a lot of truth in this. Because if a new country is thinking of buying a weapon, then they want battle-tested weapons. You can say anything like this, show anything in the shows,

and give any specifications. But the weapons that were tested in the fight and which have proved their efficacy, every country wants to buy those weapons. So, the theory you are talking about, I also believe it to be true, that whatever the outcome of this is, the successful weapons, those respective countries have marketed a lot, that look how we have succeeded in this. And we have seen that after that, the sales of Chinese aircraft have increased.

In fact, Pakistani aircraft, which is in collaboration, they produce certain aircraft with China, which now Azerbaijan has ordered, and I think a few other countries have ordered those aircraft. So, the demand for S-400 has increased a lot because it was very successful. Our Akash missile is very successful. Their demand has increased. So yes, there is always an angle that whichever weapons have done well in a particular conflict, the country that produces it, uses it for marketing

and its demand increases in the world. This is the truth. How will people see the operation Sindoor outside? Like in India, we have a perception that we entered their homes and killed them. We attacked the areas of Masood Azhar, we attacked Pakistan. We don't see any visible damage here Like the videos of Pakistan, the photos of the martyrs are coming, their story is going on. But the leaders of Pakistan were talking differently, the Defence Minister was giving us evidence on WhatsApp. We saw all this.

In the West countries, in Israel, in other places, in Ukraine, in Russia, how are people seeing this India-Pak Pakistan war? Overall, the perception is that India's turn was heavy because we have done a lot of damage there. And the missiles that came, the aircrafts that came to damage us, our air defense has been very successful. But as far as Trump mentions a particular thing again and again. And Pakistan, which is using it a lot, is the first night when our 84 aircrafts flew in the air to attack Pakistan. And Pakistan claims that we have dropped your six aircrafts.

And they also say that we could have dropped more aircrafts because we have locked down too many of your aircrafts. But we said that the matter should not go ahead, so we dropped six aircrafts. Now, whether these six aircrafts have fallen or not, which we have denied. Trump is repeatedly saying this. Why is he saying this? One of his reasons was to tease us, that we have put a tariff on India.

He also has an F-16, so he is marketing it. That is also one reason. Look, the social media out there,

or even in the military elites outside India is that in overall war, and could destroy their aircraft in hangars.

But the night where the air battle took place, which was the biggest air battle since the Second World War, 84 aircrafts were flying in the air of India and 42 were of Pakistan. But the world believes that at that time some of the aircrafts of India fell. I don't know how many fell, but there is such a perception in the world. I don't know if it is true or false. But we didn't see any pieces of it.

Because we said that show something through satellite images. Many people from our side have also challenged. See, the fight is over now. Our old colleagues, your and my, I will not take the names of the basemen. They said that I have seen the palm power myself. Videos have come from Batinda.

I have seen the videos myself from two places. But there can be a perception error in this too. Because civilians do not know what a plane is. When fighter aircrafts go, they have a lot of fuel in them. But for their maneuverability, they drop the external fuel tanks so that their maneuverability increases, the range increases. So, these fighter aircrafts that drop fuel tanks, civilians think that some part of the plane has fallen, it has. So, these fighter aircrafts that drop fuel tanks, a civilian might think

that a piece of the plane has fallen, or it has crashed. This can also be a reason that maybe they saw something like this from the fuel tank and thought that this plane has fallen or it was a plane. Now see, it is very difficult to say. Okay. Although, the airbase that we blew up, we showed that, look, we have made this pit, whether it is a no-land… that we have made a hole in your land. Holes are filled in a day. Holes are filled in a day. And I don't consider it a big damage.

Okay.

So what lessons would you be teaching this Operation Snowboard India? Regarding the future. See, we will have to study the details of this. One thing that they are saying is that integration is very important. Everything was integrated. All the air defence, all the radars from Navy to artillery to aviation to air force,

all everything was integrated, which I think were integrated on our side as well. Probably we need better integration of this. They have the technology. Chinese. All satellite imagery were provided. Continuous intelligence was provided by China and Turkey.

See, the big thing that has come up in the fight, we were all alone in this fight. Have you observed this? The way Turkey, China, and Azerbaijan were openly standing with Pakistan, that we have a brother milk and we are standing with it and we will fight in the end. Was anyone standing with us like this? Not a single country.

And we used to show Jai Shankar ji in his eyes, that the laser is going and I don't know where he had put the flags. He has done a great job, I agree. But when the push came to shove, when the real need arose, when the critical moment was for us, who was standing with us?

No one. So, we need to think about this. We always had a Rousse, we have kept it away. I will not go into the reasons, but this is the end result. And if tomorrow China, America, Pakistan and Turkey get together, Saudi Arabia has already made a pact that if there is a war in Pakistan, then Saudi Arabia is included. So where will we go?

With whom will we fight? We have already become enemies with Bangladesh. Will we fight them alone? We need to think about this. Are we not making friends with anyone? Will we not be enemies with anyone?

And if such a criticality arises, Vijaynagar empire, Krishnadevaraya, was such a great empire, how did it get destroyed? All the enemies, the Muslims, the Hindus, the enemies got together and all got together and lost. It was destroyed. We were erased from the pages of history forever. I want to say that the mistakes we have made in history should not be repeated. And how can we stop it? We need to learn from it, study from it, and work on it.

You are a soldier and a journalist. India's foreign policy is not up to mark. I will not say that. There are very good foreign ministers. Like there is the United Nations General Assembly, we have received a lot of support on many other issues. And we have also been successful in neutrality to some extent. But what will be the critical moment?

When it comes to your existence, existence is in danger that we will be destroyed by all these enemies. If no one comes to save us at that time, then was our neutrality a good policy? We have to think about this. And what do we have to do in such a situation for the future? How do we have to prepare ourselves?

Only our own power will not work. China is very... We are dealing with the EU, we have dealt with America. So they are saying that we are focusing on our national growth.

The rest are fighting each other.

Mr. Mishra, when the British were in India, when they occupied, I am talking only after 200 years from today. As per one estimate, we used to produce 25% of the world's GDP. 25% GDP of the world, which even the US doesn't produce today. We were focused on growth at that time. And when the attacks started in the 1500s,

Somrat was looted so much, we were like a golden bird. We can still be a golden bird, but we will be looted again. So should we only focus on GDP? That's right.

Until we don't strengthen ourselves, and until we don't understand internal threats, and don't assess external threats, GDP growth, the golden bird, all are meaningless.

Absolutely right.

Do foreign media, New York Times, BBC, and all the big newspapers and publishers, make a narrative against India?

Absolutely.

BBC, Al Jazeera, they are Islamist and leftist outlets. I am saying a big thing, but it is true. You can see their documentaries, their news reporting. They are generally anti-Hindu, anti-India, anti-Modi. So, as I said, there is no neutral media around the world. And in fact, why we do not ban all these NGOs and why should we have BBC in India? Why should we listen to propaganda from other countries? Why are we not strong enough to say we do not want them?

Just ban them. We are always afraid of repercussions. There will be no repercussions. We have done this in Pokhara, Permanent Explosion. There will be repercussions, ban will be imposed. What happened? Everything is normal now.

Everything becomes normal. America has brought the President. Serving President of a sovereign country. All international order, rule based order, international law, everything is left in ruins. So if you want to show yourself a strong country,

He made us a happy new year. So why can't we make a happy new year? We keep saying that we will become the world's guru and we have such a big power. Do something on earth. Do something on earth. What have we done in Bangladesh?

And what couldn't we do? We didn't do anything. We kept saying that. We have been saying that for 2000 years. We are ahead in saying that. Bangladesh was a very close friend of ours. The moment Sheikh Hasina left the country, she was thrown out and a new government came in.

It was an Islamist government. Whole world acknowledges that. It was a CIA pawn, which was ruling the country against India. All our interests were overlooked. Just like Hindus were burnt to death, and their homes were taken away. There was no news of them coming into India. and they have even published a map of Greater Bangladesh,

which they have shown the whole North Sea. They say that we can cut off your chicken neck, your ciliary goridor at any time. We will bring the bases of China here. Why are you letting the danger increase? So should India have sent military help? India should have made sure that after giving two three warnings to Bangladesh that if atrocities against minorities and Hindus do not stop in Bangladesh, we will take military action.

And this thing should have been sent to every ambassador in India and all the governments around the world. Atrocities would have stopped immediately. If they didn't stop, there was a golden opportunity to expand the chicken neck and take over the north portion of Bangladesh. Let all Hindus and minorities come to the north portion of Bangladesh. Let all Hindus and minorities come to the north part of Bangladesh. Let it be a different country.

If we can make two parts of Pakistan and Bangladesh, then we can make two parts of Bangladesh and make a new India there. But as you said, we don't have any enemy with us. Now we will need friends for Bangladesh. The whole world is against us. So we will need friends for this huge army and all this. We will need friends for Bangladesh. The whole world is against us. So we will need friends for such a big army and all this.

We will need friends for Bangladesh. But if Pakistan stands with Bangladesh, if Pakistan stands with Pakistan, if China stands with China, then no one attacks us. Bangladesh, definitely, America, we have condemnation. There are a lot of statements issued from America.

China threatens that we are going to take action. Pakistan speaks a lot, but nothing happens on the ground. All this is posturing that we will do this, we will do that. If we had to do it, we made Bangladesh. Think about it, in 1971, the world order was so strong. Totally, I mean, rule-based world order.

And we created a sovereign country out of another sovereign country. We were so weak that time. Imagine, and now we have an army third time, three times bigger than this. We are the fifth largest economy in the world. And now we are so scared. And we are such a nationalistic Prime Minister. And so many Hindus have voted for this Prime Minister.

And if they still hesitate that we cannot save the Hindus, then why have so few votes come this time? So many seats were given to Prime many seats by BJP and Hindus. Why are there so few seats this time? If such proceedings will take place, you will not show the ground where it is necessary.

Then keep talking, enter the house and all that is nonsense. Because we are coming towards the end segment. Some achievements and some failures of Prime Minister Modi, which you analyze. As an army, as a journalist, I am talking about the security of the country, in the context of foreign policy. I think, I believe that the great success of Prime Minister

Modi, first, the economy, he has completely turned the economy. The economy is in a good track now. The speed with which we are growing and the prosperity to India, it is phenomenal. Meaning unmatched. Secondly, the image of Indians. Earlier, Indians were seen as a small nation. Indians. They have changed that.

Now people look at you with respect and a lot of credit goes to Modi Ji for this. Apart from that, the self-reliance that he has brought into the army. We didn't make anything here. We didn't even make jeeps. That is a very good step. We are moving towards self-reliance.

It needs to be accelerated. We need to spend more money on R&D, but this is a very big achievement. And this is a miracle in itself. And then they removed 370. No one even dreamed that it could be removed. They removed it and showed it.

I believe that this can be removed. They removed it and showed it. I agree that these were their biggest achievements, for which the whole country is thankful. But their failures, wherever there is talk of Hinduism, look at their voters. Muslims have not made them Prime Ministers.

I am not saying that they are the Prime Ministers of the whole of India, or the Prime Ministers of every citizen of the country. But if I am voting for you, you are taking care of the person who has never voted for you, nor will ever vote for you, then I will not feel bad about it. You have built a house, Prime Minister. I was reading in the newspaper,

in the village of Rampur district. It is a Muslim village, there are 40-50 houses built there, under the administration of the Minister of Housing. And they have a Hindu village nearby, where some houses have been built, There are many Hindus in the village who have built houses but they are still struggling to get two meals a day. When they see people who have never voted for the Prime Minister and have not voted even after building a house, and they are continuously voting, do you think they will vote for Modi ji next time? Where we are talking about conversion, what are the biggest issues of Hindus?

Conversion, that our population is decreasing, Muslims are getting infiltrated, population is exploding, and Christians are converting, by giving money to poor Hindus. This is going on. These two issues, the biggest issues of worry for the Hindu community, the water issues of PM Modi, I believe that Modi did nothing on these two issues. And the second biggest failure is of infiltration. You have been the PM for 11 years.

The Indian people have given you an overwhelming majority. You have not been able to put a full stop to the Bangladeshi border. There are still many areas, you can go there anytime. And the reports that have been put up, there are such reports that they knock down the Bangladeshi border in 2000 rupees. What are you doing about this? You raise issues in every issue, in every direction. Infiltration, infiltration, infiltration. What did you do to stop the infiltration?

11 years is not enough. Trump showed that thing for a year. Why don't you make something like ICE in India? Why don't you do it? There is no will. And this is the biggest failure of this government.

Okay.

What else is going on in your life apart from war? There is happiness in life. We are roaming. I am happy in life. I am travelling. How did you get married in Ukraine?

Forget about it.

I met her when we went on a trip many years ago. And then slowly after meeting...

Were you talented or did you...

I am talented enough. People believe that. You made so much surety in that trip that you want to stay together. No, I mean, we became friends. We went on a trip. We met met, had a lot of interactions. Gradually, we started talking about different things.

What other hobbies do you have?

I'm a lot into...

Except for risking your life.

I'm a lot into adventure activities. I live in a little bit of a hurry there too. And as I said, I keep traveling around the world and any adventure sport, I think I've done all adventure sports you can think of in the air, underwater, on the water, everywhere. Nothing related to poetry, music. I'm writing a book. What is the book?

The book is called Fault Lines of Power. What is in that book? In that book, the topic that is going on now, the war between Russia and Ukraine and the developments in the Middle East, what was the background? the war that is going on in the West and the developments that are taking place in the Middle East, what has been their background, how these fault lines have developed, have existed from the beginning and have now grown, how in the coming time these fault lines will grow and reach what level,

the future scenarios that I have built, and we have tried to give an exact picture so that a person can understand what is happening in the world, apart from what is visible in the media. understand ki duniya mein ho kya raha hai jo medium dikh raha hai uske alawa. Medium jo dikhta hai, main bataya. Jo dikhta hai, wo hota nahi. Jo hota hai, wo dikhta nahi. Toh TV anchors jinn se aap baat karte ho, jo studio mein high graphics banak dikhate ho, unse reality mein ground par jo war chaldey kitni alag hoti hai. Aur kayi baar aapko laga He comes often. He comes often and he tells me too. He told me once, then I told him, don't say this to me again. That, Rajesh Ji, you see, they make something like this,

and then you get upset that nothing happened today. He says, you shouldn't do this. You should also do something.

The siren is ringing.

This is not just ours, it's of the entire world's media. We sensationalize news a lot. We do everything to make people go,

what just happened?

Even if nothing happens, we still do something. And this is not just the Indian media, it's the media of the entire world. I mean, I read the bulletin at 6 am where the bomb started exploding. And I'm like, dude, it's 6 am.

I'm still half-asleep. I am totally awake. It is exploding at 6 in the morning and at night. If it is exploding so much, then why can't I see it? What was the most dangerous scene in covering the Ukraine war? I remember you had shown me once, that dead bodies were scattered on the ground in the pits. That was in Bucha. Yes, in Bucha.

There are two incidents. In one, I told you that I was there, just 800 kilometers away from Kiev, Ukraine. And suddenly, an artillery fire started. First, a bomb exploded, which is about 150-200 m away. And the killing radius of the artillery bomb is about 300-400 m. Sharpness goes.

So, your best defense, which is taught to you in the army, hit the ground. As soon as you heard the sound, you are flat on the ground. But because I had become a journalist by then, I had turned on the camera while falling. So when I fell down in the second and third round, I could take it live on this thing. And that was very scary because everybody around me was on the ground.

There were a lot of army shrapnels, ambulances running everywhere, someone's leg was blown off, someone's blood was lying there. There was a lot of destruction and refugees were coming from one side. So it was a very dangerous scene. That is something I will say one of the most dangerous situations. Second was when the war started, I was in Mariupol. It is a city which is under Russian occupation.

The war started from there. And when the war was announced, I was with a colleague, we were trying to leave from there. So, it was time for the train, but the train did not move. Because it was occupied, by Russia. And all the barricades were set up on every road. Everything was closed. Somehow we managed to get out of there by taking a taxi, which was paid a lot of extra money.

And when we were leaving, I saw a truck which was broken on the side of the road. It was broken down. The wheels were damaged. And some soldiers were standing outside. So, I, because the fight had just started, I wanted to record it on camera. So, I took out my phone and started talking on camera. And they saw me. They saw me and said, he is recording us. And that fight, some people don't know who is Russian and who is Ukrainian. The fight had just started

that day. It was on 24th or 25th February. When they saw me, he shouted and said something. And I said, just press the accelerator and run. And from behind, he fired seven rounds at us. We could have been shot by any bullet. So, apart from that, the army came and the police came and pulled out the gun. So, I have had it many times. It has happened often because I do it on the phone.

So, even if I am on Zoom, I am'm on Zoom, they think I'm recording in front of them. And I have a camera in my hand, a normal camera. It's not a professional camera. So a lot of people get misunderstood that maybe he's a spy or trying to record something.

So a lot of people have come and interrupted. The police have come and shot at us.

I have a class topic in my mind. A while ago. Then I heard some statements in the meantime. Now a common question is coming to my mind. Can we ever see the Indian women's army in the frontline war?

And should it be sent? Not at all. 100% not.

Why?

I don't say that our women are inferior to us in any way. Maybe better than us, but they are not inferior. But there are fields where they can do much better. As far as actual combat is concerned, that's not a place for women. Actual combat, Mishra ji, it's a very brutal thing. It's a very nasty thing. When you put a bayonet inside a man, the close combat happens. That is not made for women. Not only India, in fact, anywhere.

I have praised the IDF, the Israeli Defence Forces. By policy, not a single soldier was sent in Gaza. Women soldiers, because there is close contact. You can get kidnapped there. Imagine, we are talking about bringing women to the infantry as well, because Modi ji wants to protest for women's power everywhere. If they go to the infantry tomorrow, we are not talking about the capacity to fight, leave that. If 5 of them are captured, and they are shown on Pakistan TV in a bad condition,

what will be the impact on the morale of the country, on the morale of our soldiers, what is happening? How loud will the voice be to get them released. Secondly, if you want to bring women into the army, bring them. But keep the same standards, whether physical standards or otherwise. Our standards today are BPET, Battlefield Physical Efficiency Test. The timing for women is different, it is very relaxed. It is different for male

soldiers. You said it is equal in that. Because it is a fight in it. He will not see that if it is a woman, I should not kill her. For that, the fight is there. The one who has the courage will fight. And not everything is technology. As I said, it is still man behind the machine who matters. And when it comes to actual victory and defeat, then there will be their soldiers in front of them and here our soldiers will be in front of their soldiers or our soldiers. At that time, would you want your women to be standing there? Would a place for women to be in. Is the standard of women in the army around the standard of men? Because what Yashika ji said, we are doing neck to neck competition. Same, equal, as much as you can.

It is in some fields. I agree. Like, I told you, there are services, ASC, ordnance, EME, these don't come into contact. There women are doing a good job. And some are doing extraordinary work. They are doing a good job. But I am only against the combat arms of Ishq-e-Khilaf

where you have physical contact with the enemy. In those departments, there is infantry, artillery, armoured vehicles, which have to fight, which have to fight face to face with the enemy. I am against bringing women in that. Can a woman be the Army Chief or Defense of Staff of a country? There are left-wing generals. In medical, we have an army medical corps called AMC.

In that, I would say, there are around 30-40 women. And they do a very good job. They have reached the rank of left-wing generals. They have become DGs. DG Armed Forces Medical Service. I am talking about Chief of Staff. Chief of Staff is usually from the Fighting Arms. Because the main job of the army is not to do parties and PR in the free time.

The main job is to fight the enemy and fighting is done by the Fighting Arms. So, usually the chief is from the Fighting Arms, in which there were no women yet. And now there is so much of technology, but even after the arrival of technology, the technology that will actually operate on the ground, will be done by the fighting arm. The latter will also do it, but actually the fight has to be fought by it.

So for a few years, God knows what will happen after 30 years, but there is no possibility for the next 15-20 years. Where are you going to put your life in danger from here? Time will tell where to go now, but I think that there will be an attack on Iran. It's a matter of time. Trump has given a statement today that we had good talks with them, but at the same time, He was saying the same for Venezuela also. At the same time, the hatred of the Bedouins is increasing in the Hindu Mahasagam,

which is an indication that most likely Iran will be attacked. So we will try. If someone says Iran, we will try to go there again.

Is Iran so weak that it will defeat America immediately?

This time, Iran is not so weak. See, last time also. And when I was in their custody, the IRGC detained me there. So they asked me once, what do you think, will Israel attack Iran now? I said 100%. You have put the missile, it will attack 100%. So we are waiting for it to attack. We will destroy Israel completely. They don't know what technologies we have.

We are looking for an excuse. So, Iran should not be underestimated. And now, as the reports came, many Chinese aircrafts have landed there. to Last time, while we were talking, there was an attack. This time, they are ready. They have said that our finger is on the trigger of the gun. And this time, there will be no fight like last time. All the bases of the US and Israel in the Middle East, they will all be attacked. But we are talking about the US. China supported, Russia supported, Iran upgraded.

But is it going to that level of competence where he can show the courage to fight the US? Look, he can't defeat the US. I say, the US is much above everybody else. But the damage it can cause, that is not imagined in America. Iran has the capacity to cause so much damage. Iran is not Venezuela, Iran is not Iraq, Iran is not Libya.

How is he different? Because internally, there is not Iraq, Iran is not Libya. How is it different? Because internally, there is a lot of opposition in Iran. I will give you a small example. We believe that Iran does not have any special technological scientific power. Which drones have been used the most by Russia in Ukraine? Shaheen.

Where did it come from? From Iran. Shaheed, sorry, not Shaheen, Shaheed. The drones that came, they were imported from Iran. Russia, a technological power, military power, they modified the drones from Russia later. So Iran has their drone technology, their missile technology, and their other assets are of a very high standard. And their military is much bigger, much more motivated.

So, Iran will not be an easy game for US. If US attacks, despite of all its military might,

they will have a befitting reply, I think. In the next one year, where else can there be a war in the world? Middle East will always be hot. Now, if Iran is solved, then it is going on in Libya. Now, the forces of Kudus and Al-Julani forces, which are basically Islamic State forces, which the West has recognized. They had a reward of 10 million dollars. They had made them terrorists. Now, they are suddenly bringing them in the hands of the White House. So, don't believe anything

in the West. And the way that the murders that we are doing right now, of the Kurds, Turkish and Al-Julani together, will always remain hot. And the way the Americans have abandoned him, I think America's credibility will continue to go down. And Syria will remain a hotbed because there are Druze in the south who are being supported by Israel. They also want to finish Al-Julani. So this will remain a hotbed and the Ukraine war will not end. Ukraine war will not end. And I am saying so because I know it for sure. I know I have information and I've seen things on ground with which I'm saying with certainty.

No matter how many talks go on, that Trump has done this, today this meeting has been held, we have met Abu Dhabi, we are going to meet in four days, next week, no matter what goes on, this fight will not end.

In Asia?

In Asia, at present, I don't think that there is any possibility in Taiwan except the Middle East. India-Pakistan? India-Pakistan, I don't think there will be a full fledged war, until and unless there is a big terrorist attack in India. Which I think Pakistan will not dare to do, because it is having problems with Afghanistan.

You must have seen it. Yesterday or the day before yesterday, The attack in Islamabad. The attack in Islamabad, and in Balochistan, 10 cities were attacked by the Baloch army. Pakistan is so confused in Balochistan and Afghanistan, and they haven't reconciled yet. The attack is still going on.

The fight is still going on. So, they are so confused that they won't take any risk to attack India. But if there is a big attack in India, and I will not do that for this thing either, if there is some coordination between Israel, Afghanistan and India, they might do a false flag in India and then can attack Pakistan.

There is a possibility of this. So, here the attack is a little light. By doing a false flag, if you have shown something and if there is such a planning, but when these things are secret. It is not mentioned anywhere in the public domain.

Has there been such an operation?

False flags have been made all over the world. People do it themselves all over the world. And then they say, look, the enemy has done it, now we will not leave it, now attack. This is always happening since the Second World War. Has there been any such rumor in India? If India has a false flag, then the Indian government will always deny it. And being an Indian, I will not say that the Indian government... There is no big operation in the world, they leave India.

Let me tell you two, I will give you an example of Ukraine. Poland had missiles. So, Poland is a NATO country. There is an article 2 in the NATO country. I think it is the second article. Which is, attack on one will be considered attack on everybody. So Ukraine and Britain are continuously trying to include

the whole of NATO and America in the war. And with this, the rest of Europe and America wants to save themselves. So they showed that these Russian missiles have entered Ukraine and these are Russian missiles. So this is an attack on NATO. It was not. Later it was found that it was an air defence missile. It was a Ukrainian missile and they made it Russian. The second one is the Japrosia nuclear power plant. It is the biggest power plant in Europe.

It is under Russian control. It is a Ukrainian power plant. An attack was made on it. If an attack is made there, then radiation will leak. This will affect the whole of Europe and it is a big deal in itself. They are under the same control as the Russians. But you can understand who attacked them and then say that the Russians attacked them. The Russians are under their control, the Russians are there but the Russians have attacked them. So you understand who attacked and who is blaming them. That was a false flag.

These are some examples, there are many such examples of false flags. If you go into the entire military history, there are thousands of such examples. Every big power has used false flag operations to attack. Is war necessary to sell weapons or to create peace? See, war is a business for America. You see, since 1945 till today, America has been involved in some or the other war. So, it is a business for them. Basically Basically they say US is not a country, it's a corporation. So there are corporates which are making profit for them. Profit is everything. They don't care about life, death. They don't care how many people are dying in Ukraine or Russia or in Middle East. They just

talk about human rights and all. They don't care. For them it is a business. Money is coming, people are buying weapons. All the wars that will happen, weapons will keep on selling and they will not let the wars stop. What they have done in our neighborhood, Bangladesh, you think it was spontaneous, it was organic what happened in Bangladesh? What happened in Nepal, what happened in Sri Lanka, Imran Khan, do you think Pakistan has removed Imran Khan? It was America which removed Imran Khan, not Pakistan. That's why Imran Khan is still in jail. not Pakistan. That is the power of Trump after when he lost in 2020.

Aur ko jod ke aisa dikhaya ki speech ka hi part hai. Yeh uksa raha hai logon ko karne ke liye. Trump has sued them for 1 billion dollars. BBC ko 1 billion dollar ke sue karakha hai Trump ne is waqt. Similar documentary they made on Narendra Modi. Jab ki Supreme Court ne Narendra Modi that he is not involved in any of these rights.

BBC made a documentary on that proving that the entire blame is on Narendra Modi. And when he was banned here, he created a whole mess. Leftists were like how did you ban him, he doesn't have freedom of expression. As I said, BBC is totally dominated by leftists and Islamists. And they try to project Modi as some kind of a monster in India. Our Supreme Court has acquitted him. He is the elected

Prime Minister. He is such a popular vote. And you are doing this to him. So you cannot trust these people. I am saying again, all the NGOs, phone funded publications, media outlets, ban them, throw them out of India. They will not do any good for our country. They will only harm us. Who is India's best friend? Last question. You know the answer.

There is only one. How many friends do we have in the world? I think we have only one friend. I don't know of any other country other than Russia that we can call a friend in this world. There is no country that will help us in our pain. If they want to come, they don't have the capacity. And those who have the capacity, none of them will be useful. Have you seen Sindhuri?

Who is useful to you? It's just talks. Everyone talks. We talk a lot. The rest of the people talk to us. But when we need someone, who is useful to us?

Asim Munir, whom we have been fighting with for years. He called Aseem Munir to the White House. The options were immediately bad. He must have called us to show us the pressure. Whatever it is, we don't have any friends. And our only time-tested friend in the world is Aki, who I told you. And now, when he is in such a bad time, and if we step back now, then he will not be our friend. We don't have any friend.

Bitter truth. Thank you so much, Rajesh ji. It was a pleasure talking to you.

Best wishes for your book. Thank you.

When the book comes, we will deliver it to the audience. Where and how will you get it? What is the name?

If you tell us again, then maybe while watching this podcast eclipse, they will be able to understand. It will be published after two months. The name is Fault Lines of Power. It is about geopolitical games being played around the world. What is its genesis?

What is its present state? And what is going to happen in this regard. Do you want to write books in the future? Let's see. Let's see how the first book goes. If it is a success, maybe more.

Why did you want to write a book?

Many people said. If I tell you this story, then maybe I won't sell the book. I wrote it with a lot of dedication. Because I can't sit at the table and write for 5 hours. And many people ask me, why did you leave the army after so many years? Because after that, the work of the army at the senior level is all about desk work. You stay in the office 24 hours. I am a man, you make me sit for 10-15 minutes,

after that I become restless. I have to go out, I have to go to the field, I have to do something, somewhere there should be a little adrenaline rush, there should be a little danger somewhere. I like to go to such places. Kitab likhna apne woh hai. Toh meri isme kuch log madad kar rahe hain. Do students hain from Ramayya University. Jo usme maine kaafi hadh tak bola hai, kuch likha hai. Toh meri usko likhne madad kar rahe hain. Aur usko hum iste aise publish karne ko shish kar rahe hain. karne ko shish kar rahe hain.

Chaliye. Best wishes aapko. Aapko shab kam nahi.