UPC Adrián Marcelo y Julio César Chávez

Do you have days in which, because of the blows you received, you have them blocked?

You're telling me that I'm stupid or something.

No, no, no, no, Julio, don't say that. It's not like that at all.

Talk to Chile.

The sequels? The sequels of Los Vergas, Rocky, The Sims.

Of course, man, what do you think? I forget everything. Look, I forgot my fucking cell phone. It's already lost.

I understand.

We're here.

Can you hear it? We're officially starting this, which is going to be the most special Porrocon we've had. I think it's not going to give us the life to meet or live together, to talk to someone older. I didn't have the opportunity to see it, Mr. Julio, because I'm from the 90s. But imagine how much I respect it and admire it and even love it as an athlete. With pure YouTube videos and stories, I know what his legacy is.

How are you? How are you doing? Welcome to Un Porro con Don Julio.

Good, good, thank God. Thank you for your words, I'm really happy, I'm coming from Tampico.

Where?

And this...

What did you bring from Tampico? What were you doing there?

Some commitments I had already made. They were already done. I took the opportunity to come to Monterrey. Because I have a commitment with the governor. Very good.

And then there's the fight.

I thought you were going to fight. But you got in a fight. They told me that. I told, but you got in a fight. I was told you got in a fight.

You told me I was going to train.

You're so annoying. We were waiting for you.

You should mediate the fight.

The day the fight is made, I'm with you.

You were the promoter. You've been a promoter of many fights. Of your own children. Did you promote yourself at the time or did you not?

No, not me. I didn't because I had a life contract with Don King.

With Don King, right? That blood pact, right? When did you meet Don King, Julio?

I met Don King... When I had a fight in Los Angeles, California, 10 rounds, I was 19 years old.

Ok.

Or 20 years I think. He saw me fight and he signed the contract.

Obviously, detecting talent, he was always a businessman with a vision. Did you know how to box? Or was he more of a money man?

He knew how to box because he promoted Muhammad Ali first. He had the best fighters at the time. Don King has been the biggest promoter in history.

True.

How much did you charge him? What percentage did you charge him?

20?

No, you know what? I needed someone to guide me. I needed a... how do you say it? A manager. A manager, because I didn't speak English. So, Don King, for example... let's say a PPV fight. At that time I sold a million PPVs, but I didn't know him.

I told him, no, no, pay me five million dollars and you stay with PPV. I'm an idiot, you know?

You could charge up to 15, Don Julio.

Up to 20, you know? And I was always like that, you know?

A peasant.

Yes, yes.

Do you think that at the time they took advantage of your nobility? I don't want to call it naivety, because you have street intelligence, I know that since you were a child. But, from this ignorance of what you generated, did they take advantage?

Yes, totally. Look, where I fought, thank God, it was always filled. I had the support of both Mexicans and Mexicans-Americans. So it was always full of people I fought. At that time, pay-per-view started to promote and sell. At that time, a million houses was like selling 5 million, 10 million houses, you know?

Yes, I understand. And yet, I didn't know that, you know? I knew Don Quixote was very trans, you know? Yes, I understand. And yet, I didn't know that, you know? I knew Don Quixote was very trance, you know?

Yes.

I mean...

Rocky even comes out at 5.

Yes, yes, he was very trance, you know? But then I said, if I go to the pay-per-view, I'm going to get fucked, you know? Anyway, I got fucked, but I was already insuring my purse. He said two million, no, pay me four. And you, with the pay per view, I was getting rich.

And did you give it to him before or after? Did you have to win or was it an insured purse?

No, he would give me a million dollars in advance to tie me up, so that he wouldn't rip me off.

Cash? No, no, no, the most he gave that I don't break, you know? Cash, Mr. Julio? In cash?

No, no, no.

The most he gave me in cash was $200,000.

Yeah.

But I only won a bet.

Ha ha ha ha!

Strange. Let's see, I see you today, Mr. Julio, working. I see that sometimes you put it as a product of what you generated in terms of prestige, image, brand. The Julio Cesar Chavez brand, the legend of the champion. It's worth a lot and today I see him working almost every day. How is it different to work in that strange time?

No, no, the truth is I don't miss anything. There were many fights, the truth is I'm too old to see him still fighting. I don't miss anything. And the truth is, I'm honest and sincere. I mean, no one doesn't like money, right? But I don't work for necessity. Thank God, as I told you, I've been doing very well in life. Although many people think I'm fucked up.

I'm glad they think that.

So they don't ask you, Mr. Julio.

But look, I'm doing it for my recovery, Marcelo.

Ok, it's part of your commitment to sobriety.

Of course, you know? Because look, leisure is the worst thing for a recovery addict like me. So, I prefer to be in a bad mood. It's a bad mood, really. At the airport, people... It's nice to feel people's affection and affection,

but it's very tiring. And fortunately, thank God, I never denied a photo of anyone, not even a bull. So I think they took advantage of it.

I'll see it at the airports and I imagine it's a big blow.

Yes, it's a big blow.

What do you think about the fame? In that sense, you would have liked to fight. It was a vocation you had to be a warrior up in the ring. But fame is collateral damage, an added value. How would you describe it?

It's a two-edged sword, you know? It's a two-edged sword because... I would like not to have been famous, you know? I don't know if I'm famous, you know?

Probably the most famous Mexicans that exist.

But what I'm telling you is, at first I didn't look for fame, I was looking for how to get my family ahead, how to fulfill my mother's dream. That was my priority, you know? Logically, when I won the first championship in the world, I was an stranger, Adrian, but I won the world championship and I had the best surprise of my life.

To get to my homeland, Culiacán, and to have everything from the airport to your house, the streets flooded with people. What year are we talking about, Julio? 1984. 1984 you won your first world championship. September 13, 1984 I won the world championship.

Super featherweight.

Super featherweight.

59 kilos.

You arrived in Culiacán.

I arrived in Culiacán and I was surprised for the rest of my life. So, there my essence changed completely. I no longer have privacy anymore. I had to adapt to the people. People slept outside my house. It was something...

Not only that, Julio. Very important people are starting to arrive. From all political spheres. We have to say it. Even organized crime people, sportsmen, and you for your way of being, in which you fight to say no, in which you even like to please, well, it is opening the door to a number of very important people, Mr. Julio, that today I do not know if they are still aware of you? Well, look, the truth is true, I live in Culiacán, Sinaloa, where practically ...

There they invented it.

There they invented what you are going to get the data.

And it's good there. Well, it is a beautiful mountain range that you have there.

Yes, no, the truth is that imagine, you could get to Culiacán and you get three trucks, all well armed, hey, Julio, the boss wants to meet you. What boss? No, well, all the people, you know? Oh, man, well, at first, yes, it's like, it's like you're happy, but at the same time... you feel uncomfortable, you know?

Because you see how these things are handled, right? People start to judge, to criticize. But if I don't go... I'll be made enemies! And I wouldn't be talking to you, you know?

No, no, that's not in doubt. You have to pay attention.

Sure, you know.

And more when we live in a country where boxing ends up being our only... We're bad at football, basketball, not to mention baseball, more or less. But our thing...

It's not that we're bad, man.

It's not that we are bad, it's not that we are bad, but we don't compete like you. You were world champion, you selected Juan Luis Quinto.

Well, what happens is that with all due respect, boxing has given Mexico much more prestige, the truth. I am honest, sincerely, I mean, we have had many world champions, you know? Great world champions. If we go back in time, it's incredible.

Salvador Sánchez, Clemente Sánchez, Ratón Macías, Poaz Olivares. And you graduated with a style of fighting. Maybe Juan Manuel, Dinamita Várquez, could have done you the honor. I don't think, with all due respect, that I'm in the same basket as you. But what happened with those boxers that were getting laid, Mr. Julio?

Well, look, they're different times, you know? They're different times, you know? Now, look, what can I tell you? The amount of money they pay now is incredible. And then, this Turkey that came to lose the boxing match. Because for the current boxers, it's good.

God bless them, they are winning millions of dollars. But they are losing the boxing match. In what sense? In the sense that they are not fight the best with the best.

Like in the UFC, they fight one on two. When the same ranking warns you who you're going to fight. And it's an industry, martial arts, that has eaten up the boxing ground.

Totally.

And we see now the need to organize these fights of influencers. What do you think of these fights? We joke with Poncho, we joke with... but what do you think as a boxer, as a legend of these events, Don Julio?

Look, I'm not in favor or against, you know? That's good, you know? If people can make money to go up and do a show, but there you go, but it's dangerous. Until an accident happens on the ring with one of the influencers, because you can go on the ring, Adrian, but you're not a boxer.

I'm a fool, Mr. Julio.

No, not that you're a fool, if you were a fool, you wouldn't be here, right? Of course, I understand.

I understand, that's why you put on a helmet.

Yes, you understand me, but no. But it's much more dangerous to fight with a mask than without a mask, Adrian.

Explain to me.

To make it clear.

Please, Julio.

It is extremely dangerous to fight with a mask, you know? Why? Because the blows fall back. Ok. Why? Because the blows are a knockout. It's not the same to fight without a mask, because without a mask, you get hit and you're not receiving. But remember that when you bring the mask, it's a double blow. The blow that hits you and the one that resets you.

The one that absorbs the cushion and then it traumatizes your brain.

Most boxers have suffered brain injuries while training. Ok, because of the face. Because of the face, because of the amount of blows you receive in training.

There are days that you have erased from that time, Mr. Julio, and I'm not even talking about the substances, God bless you, we'll talk about your rehabilitation centers, more than 15 I understand. I even got short, but you have days in which, due to the blows you received, you have them blocked.

You're telling me I'm stupid or something.

No, no, no, Julio, don't say that.

Not at all, but they are things.

Talk to Chile.

The sequels of Los Vergasos?

Of course, man. Who do you think? I forget everything. Look, I forgot my fucking cell phone. It's already lost. We'll bring it to you later. I don't even know where I left it.

So, are these like mental gaps recurrent?

That nothing happens? they are consequences of... No, no, of course, they are consequences of so many blows, you know? Fortunately, I am coherent, you know? But I do forget things all of a sudden, you know? For example, right now, it is not possible that I arrive here and my cell phone, where did I leave it?

Jaquecas, Mr. Julio, suddenly has headaches. Headaches, like migraines.

No, when my wife torments me like a woman, I don't know what to do.

Greetings to your wife. Nicole, Omar, Julito are fine, the family is fine.

Yes, thank God. I'm very happy with Julio. He was going to come, but he won't be able to come.

A great guy. He's recovering first before again to return to the ring.

That's right, he just fought. He's going to fight again on April 25 in Reynosa, Tamaulipas.

Very good.

And then he fights in June in Puebla.

Ok.

And let me tell you that I'm going to go back to the ring.

I can't believe it, Don Julio. You're going to fight?

Well, an exhibition.

An exhibition, of course. But there are ways to do it.

Three rounds, yes. I'm going to see the guy here, the one with the long hair, to see if he wants to go up with me again.

No, it would be cool to see him there, even if it's an exhibition. You're invited on May 9th. Where are you going to be? I'll tell the governor to take you to a fair so you can go. We'll take you there too.

You're a good fair guy.

You're a good fair guy.

He's in Pachuca right now.

No, in Puebla.

I know, but in Pachuca he's in Pachuca. Now, Mr. Julio, how old are you in terms of rehabilitation centers and all this topic, how old are you sober?

17 years.

I congratulate you for that. The 12 steps were the method?

No, well, only 12 steps, but I forgot, you know? The only thing I remember is the first step, which is the most important.

It is to recognize it.

The acceptance, you know?ing that I have a problem. You don't yet, do you?

I don't accept it yet. I live inhibited. But there is a step. The 4 and the 5 are also important. Of course. Because they are the ones that you go and apologize to those you hurt.

Yes, of course. Look, I've been through all of that. You, Adrian, the truth is that I did a lot of damage with my addiction. And I'm not ashamed to say it because I hurt my children a lot. But I don't want to get there, fucking Adrian, because I'm going to start crying. But I have to tell you, right? Of course, please. But yes, the truth is, look, to verdad, mira, a los que les hacen más daño con tu adicción, Adrián,

pues lógicamente es a la familia, ¿me entiendes? Yo le hice mucho daño a mis hijos, a mi esposa en ese entonces, a mi madre, ¿me entiendes?, a mis hermanos, a la gente más allegada, ¿me entiendes? Pero mira, yo gracias a Dios, Adri children, you know, were doing badly. And they blackmailed me, you know? No, you hit my mom, you hit her.

You're an idiot, I never hit your mom. If I had hit your mom, your mom wouldn't be alive.

It was a blow.

A blow of mine, you know?

No, no, no.

Those are white weapons you have there, man. and that was the blackmail they had on me, you know? But hey, they're 17 years old, clean, I already gave them the way, you know? I've given them the example, so there's no need to criticize me or judge me, you know? It's their responsibility, you know?

And it wasn't a conscious damage that you did, not to justify it, however it hurts, but you were disconnected. Yes, totally. There were times when you went down from the ring, you fought for contract, right? You didn't want to fight, you got on because they almost forced you. I had talked about it with Mati, he is an Argentine who admires your career, your career,

and we made a comparison about even how big you are with Diego Armando. Maradona, about...

I had to be with him, live with him.

Really?

Yes, of course. This fucking bastard joined us. What's his name?

A journalist?

Yes, he's a fighter.

And you met him about 10 years ago? No, before he died.

He was in Culiacán.

He was in Culiacán.

He invited me to his birthday.

And we talked about that. You have lived many lives in one, Mr. Julio.

Totally, yes.

He even told me that his father, when he discovered that he had smoked marijuana, he gave him a few good ones.

Yes, I only smoked one marijuana and I got home and my dad quickly saw me and said, What are you wearing, asshole? Nothing, and I was laughing, laughing, laughing. And he said, oh, man, I got hit. My dad never hit me, he never hit me. And he punished me, he kept me in the room all day.

How was your childhood? Were you happy, Julio? Of course, I was happy, despite the difficult times we went through. My father was an alcoholic and had a bad drinking habit. He was always a good man, but he never hit us. He had a bad drinking habit. But my childhood was beautiful. But you you man, I'm not a tomato pero no la verdad me fancy a for bonita me

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Con que suceso en su vida dice tengo algo aquí con siete que miran What happened in your life that made you say, I have something here? I have to tell you that my priority was not boxing, I played football, baseball. The thing is that I had two brothers who fought, Rodolfo and Rafael. Rafael died, may he rest in peace. So they put a lot of gloves on me, you know? And since I was a boxer, they gave me 25 cents and put on gloves and sometimes they hit me, and sometimes I won. And they would throw me in the water until I burst. I really liked football.

I was selected in football, baseball, volleyball.

What did you play in football?

I was a middle schooler.

Ok, you were a right-hand man.

Yes, of course.

You were good, technical, good centers.

Yes, I was selected, I'm telling you.

Good passes.

No, no, that was later.

No, that was later.

That was later.

That came later. No, I wouldn't want to go back to those times, but my favorite city is Las Vegas, Mr. Julio. So, more or less... You liked Las Vegas a lot? I love it, Mr. Julio. Did you like the bet?

Suddenly, all red.

I didn't have that vice, if not...

If not, then yes. You would have been very crazy.

No, no, no.

How was it to finish after the Mandalay Bay or the MGM arena. I never had to fight in Mandalay, I fought in the Cesar's, of course, and in the MGM, of course. Did you finish the fight and a lot of journalists overwhelmed you? Did you rest that day?

No, no, no, no. The fight in Las Vegas, remember, Adrian, at that time, all the artists would go to my room. José José, John Sebastian, Piporro, José José... Well, no, no, no...

I can imagine, Mr. Muller.

No, no, no, no, no, no.

It was something incredible, really.

Apart from that charisma, you attracted them. Don King was always in charge of putting. Don King was the one who put them in the front row. He was the one who was supposed to be a top-level personality.

Yes, he was in front of all the American artists.

Presidents?

Donald Trump, yes. Donald Trump, who is now... ...in a mess, you know. Donald Trump wanted to buy my contract.

Don King?

Don King, yes. I fought in his hotel two times and he wanted to buy my contract and Don King didn't.

Well, you were the strong card of Don King and apart from that, you have a career in which I don't know how to describe. I've seen videos. What do you think of his physiology or his physique that made him resist so much aggression? You look like steel.

No, no, no.

A privileged chin. I had fights and I've seen them where I felt you weren't going to give more but suddenly you took out a spirit that remembers those moments in the ring when you came from below, Mr. Julio.

No, look, you'll see me fight, but before that there was a concentration, a preparation, I was going to the otomy, I was going to be alone for two and a half months to be alone. You know? To get up at five in the morning to run with a cold or with ice, you know? At 3,000 meters above sea level, and running at 4,000 meters above sea level,

I felt my heart was coming out. And that was two and a half months of being like, ching, ching, ching. So when I got below sea level, well, it was like he was flying.

And all this time without sex, right Julio? Because a good boxer... I'm asking you nicely, Julio. Because they say that this testosterone release... When Fu's teacher said, you pulled it, you dog.

All the fucking shots... The shots weren't going to the the arc, Mr. Julio. In boxing it's the same, right? If you suddenly...

Well, look...

There's the vital power, Mr. Julio. Don't tell me no.

The testosterone.

The testosterone.

Well, it's there.

No, I never had problems with that. I've always been a very bad person.

I know you're going to take them to the grave, but many actresses of the time, of the sexy comedies of that time.

Adrián, I'm going to tell you something, I'm not going to say no.

No, no, no, I don't want to.

I'm not going to tell you either, out of respect. But imagine, Adrián. I no, I don't want to. You tell me that later. I'm not going to tell you out of respect, but... But, imagine, Adrián, you know?

I know, I know.

When we get out of here, I'll tell you how many...

You were knocked on the door, I imagine, suddenly, you didn't even have to talk.

Well, not that I was knocked on the door, it just happened at that moment, you know? I was... In that time he was a media person, you know? Imagine, he fought for Televisa, you know? Don Emilio Escarra didn't love me, he adored me, you know? The Tiger, Mayor Mirmo. I'm going to tell you a story about Don Emilio.

Please. When he met me, I was in Antonio La Paz. There were a lot of artists there, there were no names, and he said, look at this bastard, this bastard has made me earn more money than all the other fuckers.

Of course, of course, all those bastards.

He has won me more money than in 20 years.

No, no, no. That's why they would have put a house for you there in Chapultepec or San Angel. And likewise in every Mexican space that adores you and that you see. An example, Mr. Julio. These rehabilitation centers are born out of you being sober, who gets close to you, tell me a little bit about how these centers arise that help thousands of young people in trouble.

Have you been to Culiacán, Marcelo?

I've been to Culiacán, it's a beautiful city.

You've never been to...

I go to Panama, there I eat.

Yes, but you never...

I haven't been, I haven't been.

You haven't had to go to my house.

You haven't had the pleasure. In Tijuana I met one of your properties.

Yes, yes, but in Culiacán.

In Culiacán, no.

Well, in Culiacán, what happens is that it was a mansion. You know a mansion, right? A mansion, I'm not bragging, but it's a very large mansion. There are six cars, imagine, it had 20 cars there, you know? All the cars you can imagine. So that house was a brothel, you know? Because my mom had left me, you know?

So I turned it into a brothel, you know? Of course, there was a newspaper. All the drug dealers, all the military, police, artists, comedians, it was a mess. So, when I rehabilitated myself, Yes, yes, rehabilitate. me Rehabilitated when I'm fine, thank God My lady look at me. We got to Culiacan because I lasted two years without going to Culiacan You were threatened? No, never. You had never threatened me, thank God

But why weren't you going to Culiacan? For my recovery, you know, because I knew that if I went back to Culiacan I was going to goiacan. For my recovery, because I knew that if I went back to Culiacan, I would go back. So I didn't want to go back.

The temptations.

Yes, yes, imagine, apart from getting to that house, and I looked at the devil, I looked at everything, it was something incredible that house. If that house spoke, don't fuck with me. No, no, no, no, no. I don't believe you, Julio Ponce. So, I got to Culiacán, and I didn't want to go in, I said, ma'am, why don't you want to go in?

She said, if it gives me a bad vibe, she said, why don't you do it as a clinic? I said, you're an idiot. ¿Cómo no la haces clínica, amigo? ¡Pendeja tú! ¿Cómo no va a ser clínica? La clínica es una casa de vida. Si ya no quiere estar aquí, ya vivía en Tijuana yo. Y me quedé con eso, ¿me entiendes?

Déjame pensarlo. Entonces puse una clínica en Tijuana con Pablo González, que is the director of the clinic. And the truth is that I put it on because I was afraid that I would relapse. I knew that putting the clinic on would be a moral commitment for me and for the whole society, for all of Mexico, because I was going to make it known.

True. Under his name, a clinic is not just any clinic.

That's right. So, I got hooked. I got hooked on Adriana because she was really a kicker. She was kicking. Did she have relapses before she was 17? No, no, thank God. She was even.

No, thank God. The only relapse I had was when I came on the plane, but it wasn't a relapse. And I said, gracias a Dios. La única recaída que tuve fue cuando vení en un avión, pero no fue recaída, ¿me entiendes? O sea, vení en el avión en primera clase, ¿no? ¿Me entiendes? Y venían dos señoras bien guapas adelante, ¿no?

Y yo pedí una Coca-Cola. Y el de acá pidió un ron con Coca-Cola. Y la señorita se equivocó, güey. and the lady got it wrong. And you gave her the rum? And she gave me the rum and I drank it. And since there were two beautiful ladies there, well dressed and everything, I was going to throw it at them, but I drank it.

Or you felt the ethyl, the alcohol. I felt it quickly, the creamy in my head. I said, fuck, I fell over, son of a bitch. And the lady came up to me and said, We're seeing a la madre here a caijo su puta madre se yo y la ciencia de Maseco me dijo sabiento mundo sabía que ya no tomaba yo con mi hijo Julio me equivoque va si te equivocaste recayendo en primera clase de julio estuve estuve a punto buena neta I was about to, I swear to God. Falling back in first grade, Mr. Julio. I was about to, man, really.

I said, I was going to ask for the other one, but I said, no, my mother, you know? And then I was going to Culiacán, and I was alone, man. I said, I'll take you to Culiacán, and I'll talk to the guy who gets me.

I mean, I was going for, Mr. Julio, that it's usually crossed and I call it everything with P, because it's party, whores and perico.

Yes, of course.

Alcohol immediately makes you want a pass, and with the pass, you immediately want a whore.

Or a guy, Tino.

In this case...

That's what they say in the Bible.

Yes, yes.

I'm telling you, as you do it backwards and you tape it, I have no problem. As long as it doesn't get in the way. Today, even if it's chicken, he said.

Tell me, Mr. Julio. And I was already doing my movie, and Guliakani arrived. I arrived and I said, no, I went to the clinic. You know what? I relapsed. No, that's not a relapse. If you had asked for another one, it would have been a relapse.

One day at a time, Mr. Julio. And as you say, one day at a time, because it's a daily battle. There is never a cure. The rehabilitated knows he has a disease and that he can't have a drink, even if it's just a little. That's the philosophy behind the 12 steps.

How many clinics does Don Julio have today?

I have several, but the most important one is in Culiacán and in Tijuana.

Culiacán, which is still the mansion?

What's the name of the clinic, Don Julio? Clínica Baja el Sol.

Clínica Baja el Sol. It obviously has a meaning. Could you tell me what it is?

When I was drinking, I was drinking under the sun.

Or you were drinking alone.

I was drinking, I was always waking up with the sun, I was not sleeping.

That's true, that's something that addicts like to do, they don't want it to end. Two sunrises, imagine. Imagine that it doesn't fall, right? Yes. And I imagine that even if you wanted to leave it, they would make you come. I mean, it was so dear that they hurt you a lot. Oh, well, imagine. They hurt you a lot. I had so many friends, they came to my house and left me a kilo.

Yes. And everything. No, no. And what was the pure one of those times?

It never cost me to buy. I was left with a kilo and everything. No, no. And what was it like in those days?

It never cost me to buy...

I never bought it, really. It's good that you're retired today, Mr. Julio. Because today they put every bullshit to that.

Oh, no, forget it. Pure diostera. Adrian, they come to me... Terrible. And I have to tell you something, Adrian. Get used to it. You like to smoke pot.

Let me tell you. Wait, wait, wait. Adrián, with a cigarette of marijuana, we get to the clinic all psychotic, all sick, all... It's incredible.

I know, I know. Why? Because the marijuana of nowadays is synthetic. And sometimes they put fetaline and all that.

Yes, yes, yes, it can be.

You have to be very careful.

You have to be. And that's why I haven't learned it today, Mr. Julio. Not just out of respect, but out of admiration that I have for you and I profess to you. I call you Mr. Julio. Even the Casacuervos were inspired by you for tequila. Mr. Julio, because there is no other more important than you.

Tequila is not the most important.

Hey Adrian, don't be an asshole. You're waiting for me to start it so you can advertise it.

I'll erase it right now, Don Julio. I'll erase it right now. What role has your wife played in your current health and how it hurt you?

Oh, imagine, she would be here right now.

She supported me a lot during this project I was in. In fact, she sent messages to my family. You may not know this, but her wife wrote to my family to show support when I was in this reality in which I suffered from aging and tremendous discredit. You also know what it is that I publicly turned on Don Julio, right?

There was a time when, despite everything you said...

Yes, I know, I was with you too, man.

Yes, I know.

I was with you, I understand.

That's why I thank you and be part of...

I was with you, yes, it was a...

How did you feel when I read so many lies about you?

Didn't you feel hurt?

Well, look, look, Adrian, I've lived that since I remember the change of the world, you know? The one that caught taxisters, that... That was this drug dealer, that was this, that the other... Ah, I'm cured of fear, you know? I tell him, fuck his mother, you know?

Yes, and go that at the airport a reporter put him in this tequiesco.

Of course, of course, they put words in my mouth that are not mine, you know?

That's where, that's why I tell you, I'm never telling you that if I stay, because you have a very selective memory. The good thing is that you are sincere, you tell me things straight. There are people who...

And here I am talking and you are not going to put words in my mouth.

No, no, and here are your people too. Today there are even other quorums because of your presence. I told them, please don't make a fuss about it. But yes, yes, I understand, Mr. Julio. And well, it's'm glad you accepted. We don't sell marijuana, we sell CBD. In fact, you were a marijuana image,

and you took them to unimaginable places.

The only addiction I have is cigarettes.

Don't you put that device on him, he smokes it like that. What device? You see that now they put a fucking device on him so he can take it off.

No, the device is is hired by another guy who works with me. But you know what I mean.

No, man, you're so cool. I see you a lot with Team Mexico. You're the image of an online casino that has treated you well. I'm there too. Yes, I know. That's why I joined you. I joined you, Mr. Julio.

I joined you, Gabor. I said, how you, Don Julio. And another for you, Gabor. I said, how is Don Julio going to be the image? I even pay you to be there with you. And wow, you have made a profit. You know how to produce, you know how to treat, right? You are an actor.

I also remember Rocky a lot. My favorite movie is Rocky. You've probably seen it. In fact, he's a member of the Hall of Fame.

Silvestri Salón joined me in the Hall of Fame. We joined together.

His character joined, but he's one of the few fictitious characters that is part of the Hall of Fame. In the first movie, he doesn't win, he loses against Polo, but in the second movie they make him do ads. in I did it for Coca-Cola, for Pepsi, for Sabritas, for... I brought myself like that. Were you happy when you did that?

The truth is, they paid me a lot of money, but I did it because they paid me, you know? But I don't like it that much, you know?

Yeah, and did you negotiate it too or did you already have a manager for that?

No, I've always been very stupid, Ariel.

But Peña and those who surround him... That asshole from Don Julio. No, I'm sure they do business well for you, Don Julio.

I guarantee it.

And another thing, and I want to ask you, in Rocky's movie Rocky gets very angry with Mickey, his manager, his coach, because he feels he's accommodating the fights. Not that it's his case, but does that exist in boxing? Not that they accommodate them, but that they want to take care of you.

You know, champion. That's clear. That... That fights are sold... The truth is, I was never offered that, you know?

No, but to have someone put you in a mode.

Ah, no. That exists. Here in China, you, Adrian, you know. You have to know how to lead a fighter's career. It's a hard fight, a strong fight, easy. Two easy ones, one hard one, and one... That's how a fighter is made.

And you earn it. You earn the right to be comfortable in those easy fights.

Of course. For example, in my time, you know... Many say, hey, your record is inflated. You fought a guy who had 7 defeats and 3 wins. I say yes, yes, but those guys are tougher than the undefeated. They are fast fighters, you know? And that's why they put you in, so you can gain experience.

But I had a lot of tough fights before I became world champion.

Which one do you remember specifically, so the audience can also look for you on YouTube?

It's on YouTube, you know? It's with Adriana Arreola. It's a fight, the truth is, I won division, divided.

Ok.

I was already there.

Adriana Arreola was Mexican too? She was Mexican-American. Where was that fight? It was in Los Angeles, California, that's where I met Don Quin. After that fight Don Quin signed me. There were 10 assaults.

10 rounds, yes. Those were the most extenuating fights, the ones that had to be decided by points. Or did you also have a pleasure in knocking out, like everything, or did you prefer that they lasted? What was your favorite style?

No, look, look, look, Adrián, one always wants to win by knockout as fast as you can. But logically, sometimes there are fights where there are fighters that you hit them and hit them and they don't fall. They are dumb but tough guys that hold up. And that makes you gain a lot more experience.

Probably that's how the others expressed themselves about you. How do I throw this guy?

Well, yes.

Because they even bled him, and you were immune to those wounds.

Well, look, when I did the study... The study of the head, I was going to fight in Los Angeles, California. Because in Los Angeles, California, when you fight in the United States, they send you to get a tomography, they send you to do all the studies, otherwise you can't fight.

The commission. So I'm going to do the study in Los Angeles or in Tijuana, I don't remember. And suddenly I see that the doctor is coming here and there, very worried and everything, and they keep looking at me. I said, oh, fuck, what doctor is he? I said, no, no, wait, we're seeing something very strange

in your head. He said, I'm worried. I said, why do I have it? He said, well, you have the skull bigger than normal. I said, that's not normal. ¿Por qué tengo? Pues es que tienes el cráneo más grande de los normales, no es normal eso, dice. Tienes el cráneo más grande de los normales,

luego tienes un psicocerdo calcificado, dice. ¿Pero cómo? Le digo, pues sí.

La mollera la siento bien, chico.

Sí, o sea, pero dicen los doctores que no se explican cómo el psicocerdo está calcificado en el cerebro. They don't explain how the pig is calcified in the brain. Those piglets kill you, man.

The cysticercus, you said?

Yes, forgive me.

The pig bacteria?

Yes, that one.

You had a calcified one.

I still have it, man.

No, but don't tell me that, man.

Yes, man.

That's a bacteria that takes your life?

But I'm telling you, the doctors don't explain how, you know? But the doctors saw that because I had the skull bigger than normal, I have it this thick. The skull...

No, no...

That's a good one, Julio.

But then there is already a scientific explanation.

You got excited, right?

No, but I... If I could see you before I die, I would choose to see you. Before any bullshit or something. You are a legend, Julio.

I'm not your friend, man. And that humility is what characterizes him. I see when I ask him to sign gloves, he does it without complaining. Knowing what his signature is worth.

I heard you were with Messi.

Yes, the good Messi, but not like that. You know that one day they asked Messi, they asked him about several players and when they said Chavez, Chavez. Yes, I mean, the Argentines... I haven't met him personally. Imagine how Argentines see him, who also have a boxer who has stood out. Yes.

Did you fight with Stone Cold hands or not? No.

That's another time, right?

No, no. Macho Camacho, yes?

Macho Camacho, yes. The father of Floyd Mayweather, did you also find him?

Yes, yes. Sugar father of Floyd Mayweather, you also found him. The Tiber City.

Sugar Ray Leonard. No, that's not true. Another weight. It was another weight, right? And well, Oscar de la Hoya. I have a dynamic here so that I can go to the hotel to rest,

Don Julio, because I don't like to take a lot of time from you. And when you go to interview this legend, don't spend two and a half hours, know who they are with, and above all, take advantage of the time, like I do, without a guideline, without anyone, an iPad and asking questions with pure love. Here I have, let's do the first one of the 10 boxers

I have here. You're going to rank them from 1 to 10, but you can't know who's next. That's the dynamic. You can put Oscar de la Hoya and they put someone you didn't want. Very good. Top 10. You tell me where you put it or some reflection.

Let's start with... I think the number 1 is out, Mohammed Ali. Let's go with number 1. For me, yes. Cachus Clay, first name ofila, and then he becomes a Muslim. Did you know him, Julio?

Of course, man. I mean... Of course, I was with him.

Yes, yes, yes. You were close.

He was in my training. There's a very historical photo that comes out. He's like that, watching me train. A great man, and he was very intelligent. photo

Now

Julio Okay Don't you stay you go Muhammad Ali, and he grabbed my son Julio and he urinated on him. And he said, oh shit man! And I said, no, but look at the words he said, man. Look at the words he said.

This is going to be the world champion. And he was the world champion.

Julito is also a great guy. I hope one day you'll come with us. I'll tell you to come. Charismatic like few, and hopefully we'll see you triumphant, my dear Julio. Julio Cesar Chavez, where do you stand? Here I am.

Eh...

Don't be humble, don't be modest. No, I'm not modest. The world of history, of boxing. Pound for pound. Well, look, I'll tell a master. The world of boxing history. Pound for pound.

Well, look. I'll tell you one thing. Getting to 90 undefeated fights gives me a hierarchy that hurts and weighs a lot. Give me a fighter that gets to 90 undefeated fights.

That they give it to us.

Give me a fighter that has 37 world championship fights. Of the 310 years of boxing, I'm the one with the most defenses in the history of boxing.

I'll put it on 2. No, put it on 10. It's the humility that characterizes the good Julio Cesar La Leyenda Chavez. Let's go with Roberto Duran. I'll put it on 9. Julio Cesar La Leyenda Chavez. Let's go with Roberto Duran, I was telling you.

I'll put it on the 9.

On the 9.

Yes.

That he remembers that Boricua, right? Is it from Costa Rica, Puerto Rico?

Where is it from, Roberto?

Eh...

Panamanian.

Panamanian, but...

It's true.

Any anecdote you have with... I have several, but I don't want to. I see immediately that there is a rejection of the Duran Brothers. He talks pure shit about me. Ah well, then it's not a big deal. Joe Louis.

I had to see him fight, but Joe Louis.

I don't know him, for example.

I would put Joe Louis in second place, you know why? Because he did 27 defenses in the world title.

There are many. There are many. And there will probably be Frazer here. We'll see if he comes out. Those mythical fights with Muhammad Ali. Manipackeado the Filipino?

Manipackeado I would put him with...

7 or 6. A little more. Five, four.

Five, four, yes.

Big fights and in different divisions, right?

Yes, in a lot.

He was someone who went up and down in weight, an athlete, and then a congressman of his country. Yes, he was a congressman.

I was going to be president, man.

Oh, right? You never cared about politics.

No, no, no, Let's talk about something else.

Sugar Ray Robinson.

Robinson? I didn't get to see him fight, man. But they say he's been one of the greatest fighters in history.

Yes.

I'd put him in the fourth, fifth, third. Somewhere around there, Julio. Well, that gives us a reflection. Mike Tyson, this beast in the sportiest expression.

He was a great fighter, he hit everything hard.

He finished them in one minute.

I would put Mike Tyson in the... He always speaks very nicely of me, he loves me a lot.

He loves you a lot, exactly. I was just going to say that. I would put him in the top 3. In the top 3, right? Mike Tyson, who fought Jake Paul recently. These influencers fights are good, but he got his 50 million.

Over here it says El Canelo.

Canelo?

He's very active. better wait until he finishes He's a worthy representative of Mexican boxing

He's a great fighter, and despite the pain he's a great fighter And he's one of the best Mexican fighters of all time

Yes, you have to say it, and very disciplined Something that we sometimes need in this country. Floyd Mayweather Jr. I don't like this black guy.

I put him at number 8.

Yes, he looks like a big mouth and the fights are unattractive, Mr. Julio.

And with 50 fights that he had...

No, and since he's black, you can't see if they bleed him. I don't like it because you can't see if they bleed it no I don't like it because they don't see the blood so the black fighters I don't like them much Roy Jones jr. good fighter if the seventh ok seventh you already gave a mother of a july and rocky marciano where where Rocky is inspired according to me. The 2? The 2, well there is the top. He got a myth. Who would I put there? Oscar de la Hoya?

No, no. He was more...

If I had taken my time, I would have put him a lot.

You got him on the way out, right?

Yes, and apart from that, I had my very advanced edition.

Yes, man, ni le digo. Y aquí hay una serie de personajes, ahora que están las peleas de influencers, don Julio, para... Le voy a... ¿a cuál usted? Dígame, ¿cuánto le duraría? Uno de estos que le voy a dar aquí.

En su prime, ¿cuánto le duraría? A ver. O sea, usted haga el ejercicio. When you do the exercise, how long would it take for example, Babo, from the Santa Cartel? What the fuck is that? He's a rapper, no, you don't know him, Mr. Julio. Let's go with another one. Don't you like Mexican rap, Mr. Julio?

Well, it's not so contemporary. Here it is. How long would it take for you to get through the ring in your prime?

One round, dude.

Greetings to the naughty one, but we're talking about the legend. I think one round. I'm going to see him on the day. Canelo in a duel in his prime. It would have been a great fight. A very strategic fight, right?

What would have been your strategy in your prime to enter someone like Canelo?

I, as I always fought, going forward, you know? Breaking the waist, hitting down, up, down, up. Not giving him a break, you know?

You attacked a lot the area of the kidneys so that the guard went down in the last rounds, right?

That's what you say, hit the body because the head falls alone.

And a round at those levels is like running 5 kilometers. You need a lot of legs.

That's why now that you fight, I have to prepare you well.

I just take away, you give me advice. I'm not going to take your time, you're not going to be wasting time training an influencer, those bad things. You just tell me. I'm not going to take your time. You're not going to be wasting your time training an influencer. No, no, no. I'm going to give you your tits and everything.

But one day you have to go to Tijuana to prepare.

Sure, sure. And if not, I'm someone who could run low blows, Mr. Julio.

That's not fair, Julio.

No, I know, but it's not fair that we stain boxing. Latin lover. How much does Eduardo hurt? How much does Eduardo hurt?

It's good for dancing, right?

Good friend, Latin.

Has anyone ever come to you with a corpulence and that the result was the same that you would break his mother? Didn't it impose him to see a body sometimes too muscular?

No, look, I had to fight with many brown fighters, as you say, well-fed, just like you like them.

Russians, Russians. Yes, yes, yes. With a tripod.

Yes, yes. And the physical doesn't count.

It's also a matter of strategy, of the mind, of how you connect.

Well, the dark fighters are well marked, well equipped.

Yes, there are boxers. Now there is a bastard called Terrence Crawford, that one who beat Canelo, or Yerbonta, or some with a style like Fury, the gypsy, who seems to put zaps instead of blows. How long would Poncho de Nigris last in his prime?

I don't think it would go up, right? Hey, but don't fuck with me, Poncho de Nigris, en soprano. Yo creo que no se subiría, ¿verdad? Oye, pero no chingues, ¿cómo Poncho de Nigris? Así como estoy de viejo y le pego una chinga en el brazo.

¿Nunca se peleó ya también para irse de rando, Julio? ¿Usted se ha llegado sabiendo lo que tiene y la fuerza?

No, tengo años que no, la verdad, no. Did you ever look for a fight? Of course I did. Like in Culiacán or a party? You know, Marcelo, Darian, sorry, that in any... In any of these you can find any asshole. But no, man.

It's good that at the time you had to face those guys. Jake Paul, do you know who Jake Paul is?

Of course.

How long would this kid last that they broke his...

If he was in my prime, that asshole would have knocked him out.

I'm very clear that he would have. And lastly, how long would Alfredo Adame last? How long would he last in the quadrilateral?

It's an offense to me. I know, but imagine that they get 100 million for fighting with Adam. No, no, but that's not the money, Adrián. I know. It's the prestige, you know? It's the legacy you leave. You're not going to take the money with you when you die, Adrián. It's true.

You're going to take the only thing you have is the love, the love of the people, you know? And you will remember this Mexico for the rest of your life. I think it will end with the country, its legend. I mean, I never, Mr. Julio, I thank you very much for deciding to accept this invitation. Out of respect, I will learn that until we turn off the cameras. Especially to keep inviting people to, if they have a relative with this terrible disease called addiction.

Yes, www.clinicabajelsol.com Very good, www.clinicafajerson.com Mr. Julio, I would like to thank you. You can also enter there, when you feel a crisis of emotion. I know that. Now that the black punch is hitting you.

No, my only addiction is with the work, Mr. Julio. And getting, it's surpassing myself. And believe me, having done this today, for me it's a, just like you quantified your fights with titles, this is a world title for me. Being able to have made him feel comfortable,

and that people have a pleasant conversation. Obviously there are thousands of questions that can be asked to the legend, but what I wanted was simply to have a chat that is transmitted, that there is mutual respect. And we love you very much in Mexico, in the United States, in the whole world. You are a respected figure, Mr. Julio.

And before we go, I'll give you the baton to organize the fight. You act as the promoter. And right here I invite Alfonso De Nigris, since I hope to successfully hold his hope his ring will be successful, where he will not fight. Let's get together and with the living legend as a judge, as a rector, as a mediator, let's organize this and that even Julio takes the most

of the fight, because if he is present, he is the one who's going to fill it up, not you and me. You and me, for the pure pleasure of hating each other,

we're going to fuck each other up, man.

There's a shot! There's a shot! And we're going to take away the fucking anger and the complexes, and if you want, without a face.

Poncho, you're my friend, Poncho, you're my friend, but I'm with Adrian, man. So, get your asses together, man.

No, they're going to go down because, as the legend said, throw it to the body, let the head fall alone. Thank you for a porro with the living legend. We don't have a code, just visit nekte.mx or if we leave one, yes, Julio code 50% for being the legend 50% Julio code the products of nekte then we send you a kit for the pains better than the marijuana, Julio. Really? Yes, yes, yes, this mother here. What is it for? It brings CBD for the pains,

really the pains. I recommend it, I'm going to put it on right now. And there is my partner from Black Friday is and of course Barragán, the original, the matrix where it all started. Don Julio César Chávez, good luck. really the pains. I recommend it, I'm going to put it on right now. And there is my partner from Black Friday is and of course Barragán, the original, the matrix where it all started. Don Julio César Chávez, good luck.

Thank you.