⚠️‼️ VERYYY IMPORTANT | UNKOWN SECRETS OF MEDICAL INDUSTRY | Ft Sudhakar Kancharla Telugu Podcast |

I planned this randomly, because my parents were pressuring me But this is not it Every 38 kids, at least 2 of them have autism 38 kids? Yes, 2 of them

Even before marriage, they will check your horoscope or horoscopes Along with that, they will do a full body checkup and DNA test It's important to have a good hearing If I know that there is some issue and I marry someone If they cheat me, I will cheat them

Have you heard of such cases? Yeah, definitely. Even in my family, we have the same problem. My own child has speech delay.

Oh.

Whenever I feel like, I call my dad. They can't walk. They don't have the strength. I know it's very...

Disturbing, I guess.

Yeah.

What can we do in case... DNA? DNA is the sample collected during a crime scene. It's only for those who use DNA reports to see who's the guy. There are other topics that go beyond this.

DNA is extracted from a small saliva sample. 8 GB of data is collected. What's in it? I'm trying to make my kids cricketers. We can determine if their physical endurance is fit for sports. How will they be in the future?

I have a history of this? I'm telling you this because my history is written

I'm going to be like this

Many people say that cancer has a cure That's a big mafia, they say they're stopping it But how far is it true? Is there really a cure? Are they hiding it? Next, diabetes

More about hair fall These three are also coming genetically I saw an interesting segment There are many articles There are articles about how you gave 5,000,000,000 in political funding Electrical, bombs, MP seats are coming up

I saw an article about that

Yeah, definitely The articles you saw are very true and genuine

You gave money?

Yeah, we gave some money How much did you give?

I have 5 crores, 10 crores and even 18 crores

I met our current Chief Minister, Mr. Chandra Babu Naidu. The journey was a little deviated. I experienced it. My mother called me and said, I sent my sister to school, she's at home with health issues, your father is not well, you sent her,

we expect you to pay your loan. If you don't do this, you come too. I'll give you a lot of money. I'll give you a lot of money, eat it. After that I didn't talk to my mother for 6 years. I never thought that I am a fan of Chiranjeevi since childhood. I never thought that Chiranjeevi will come to launch my company.

It's a kind of revenge. Yes, it's revenge.

Such incidents helped me a lot. The remaining 0.1% is unique. And that is what makes you and me different. Interesting, right? If we study our DNA in this podcast, what do we learn? And can we manipulate our future by studying our DNA? What is autism? And how is the diagnostics industry in India? No matter what disease we get, the first thing we do is a blood sample test.

In that industry, what games are they playing? What scams are they doing? and we have Mr. Sudhakar Kancharla, the founder of Yodha Group, one of the fastest growing advanced AI healthcare organizations in India. Sit back and watch this podcast and do share it with your dear ones. If you talk about India, lack of awareness is more. We forget even if we hear about it.

Recently, about 6 months back, I was a bit sick. I got a bit hospitalized. Then I got my blood reports done. I called up some people who come online and take the test in an hour. So, I called them and said, I don't want to take the name. After taking the blood test, he said, before going, take the blood samples. I asked him, how will this process be done?

This is an e-commerce, a quick commerce. You are going to do this at home, right? He said, we have to go to the hub in 15-20 minutes. Otherwise, due to this travel time, due to this temperature, there will be some issue. I don't know all that clearly. I am telling you.

If the blood doesn't have proper accuracy, yes, this is also a point. I didn't know or I never spent some time to think about it. I casually booked it by saying it was an ad. Then it got a strike. We don't know a lot of these things. So, if you can talk something around that, because my business is all about that, Indian

business, basically. So, if you can talk about what are those things that generally we don't care about. Because, if we go to the hospital, we ask them, will you get us tested first? And that too, we do as they say. If we stay with them, if we go out, we see all this, right? If we can talk about something which we don't know, from your side.

It's easy. We invested 200 crores plus. And then, we hired 350 employees from day 1.

All in Hyderabad? Yes, in Hyderabad. We have a headquarters in Lal Bangla, Amirpet. It's a huge facility. 40,000 sq.ft. We thought of this in 3 months. After COVID. Still, there is scope for affordable healthcare and quality services.

It's a business we know. We didn't fail. We will come and for quality services. It is a business we know, we are not a failure. We come and do it, we provide if it is a good service. And it seems like we have generated some employment. We do it, we do business in the US, we earn money, but there is no kick.

Right.

So, kick in the sense, we don't know what we are doing. Yeah. We go in the morning, we get in someone's car, we get in someone's car in the evening,

and we come back.

It's someone's life. So, and, we have to contribute something back to the country, right? Our responsibility too. We have been feeling that way since long.

Okay, we came to healthcare. The pandemic was over. We started. In the 3 months we came and started, we took the billing. In 90 days, we planned and launched the inaugural.

After we launched, we realized that we have to pay back 50 rupees in every 100 rupees we get. What do you mean by that? So definitely, commission. Healthcare is run on referral and commission throughout India. That's a big shock, starting with the start.

As you asked, they come home, do it, book an order online. Now, there are almost many mobile apps, e-commerce, quick commerce platforms online. They book a lot of people. Now, there are almost many mobile apps, e-commerce, quick commerce platforms online. That is related to blood tests.

Yes, related to tests and diagnostics particularly. We do 50 parameter tests for Rs. 299.

I don't understand.

For Rs. 292, you do 50 parameter test. Now, we get a person to collect, right? Yes. We get a phlebotomist to collect. Right. To collect the sample. He gets 250 rupees with the TADA.

He gets the bike, petrol, everything. He comes to you, collects it and drops the sample to us on time. Per collection. Per collection. If you pay 250 rupees to the person who collects Rs. 250, you don't even know how to do 50 parameters tests in the remaining Rs. 49. Plus, the syringes that you draw,

they cost at least Rs. 100. We saw Quick Commerce, Food, etc. Healthcare has also become Quick Commerce.

How are they making the business?

Yeah.

Are they showing small things and selling big things?

Yeah. They don't run tests, first of all. We book online.

Yeah.

They bring it and do sample collection. Yeah. They don't run it, they send it to other labs. Whoever does the processing, they send it to them. So, the hub is not theirs. Not theirs. So, in India, mostly 90% of the labs, they don't process the samples.

They collect and process it with someone else. So, they determine the price for processing. If you do it, do it. If you don't, someone else will do it. They are marketing the product, that's it. That's it. They are not producing anything. They are middlemen.

I used to think, if they get major tests, they might get bigger and bigger. Yeah, nothing like that. Even small tests can't be performed. More than 90% of the labs are there. So, mostly corporate hospitals or mid-sized hospitals or clinics perform some routines.

Some special, small tests. Same day, within next two hours, to give medicine, as a clinical doctor, they need to know the information, to give the medication immediately, to start the treatment. They run such basic things.

The rest, they send to bigger reference laboratories like...

But they don't tell us.

You don't know that. Correct me if I'm wrong. There is a big hospital. Yes. They have made letters to give me a report. In that, they send you for the things they don't have.

Example. Is that it? After you get it, when you return it, will you give it on their letterhead? Yes. I will generate a report on their letterhead.

Got it.

When there are products, if you look at the label behind, it will be produced by, marketed by, right? Now, when we go to the US to buy clothes, the manufacturer will say Bangladesh. But here it will not be there. Here it will not be there. Okay. So, hospitals won't accept it. Yeah. Hospitals won't accept it. And even reputation wise also, it's not good.

I mean, hospitals, bigger corporates, medium sized hospitals, they will outsource those few tests. These small players, they don't even perform. They don't even perform. They don't perform at all. What is the time that you send to players blood samples to labs like you? It can be 1 hour or 2 hours or how many hours?

But won't the blood sample get spoiled due to the temperature and delay? Basically, if you have a serious condition, you would have been admitted to the hospital. If you don't have that seriousness, you would definitely collect home samples at home, request and get the pill. That's it. So, which is not a serious condition Right Even when there is no seriousness,

when you don't have any serious illness, you don't bother much

Yes

Even if there are small abnormalities Definitely Even if there is no accuracy, it doesn't matter And customers are in the mindset that it works for a low cost Quality report, I'm buying this test from anyone.

They don't even mind if they have the capabilities to perform the test.

How do we know that?

We don't know.

There's no scope.

No scope. So, as you said, the sample is not always available to us. Even if we bring it after a certain period, the blood will be hemolized.

What happens?

It will be hemolized, it will be clotted. So we can't even perform the good quality test and give the quality report.

But if you have to do it, you do it and send it.

If it is us, we reject it. What do you do when you reject it? We recollect it. He will check it once. Again, when we send 10 samples, we do more than 2-3 rejections continuously.

So, we stop rejecting because there is no quality specimen. He will check another lab saying you are rejecting more and they look for another lab.

Yeah.

That's it. But, it is not good to do.

Yeah. We send the quality specimen, quality report. That is the main problem. So,

The intention is not good.

Yeah. The intention is not good. That is a kind of cheating. I am expecting the hospital or the clinic wherever I am going. Yeah. They'll give me the accurate report I want. At least I believe in that.

Yeah.

I listen to whatever they say.

Yeah. And if I take a blood sample and reach you,

the time is lost.

Yeah.

And sometimes it gets ruined.

Yeah, it gets ruined. I feel it's really bad. Yeah, definitely. Wow. What is the actual accuracy? It should reach within a minimum of 1.5 hours. After taking the blood sample? After taking the blood sample, we collect the blood in every city and put small hubs.

There are centrifuges. We centrifuge the blood. What is centrifuge? It is a small centrifuge machine. It will separate the blood plasma. First, we separate the blood plasma and then first it has to separate it as well

or else if you keep the collected tube it will definitely clot and get embolized after doing that they will send it from there so you get plasma? so because of this you save time

yes, time is saved when it is far if it is near, it will definitely go directly to the processing center and then we do immediately. For example, now it is in the out nearby, it will definitely go to the processing center. And then we do immediately. For example, the ones outside the station, they definitely won't come till the next day. So, if we collect them today,

they will be sent by bus or flight in the evening. When they come from different cities. So, definitely, they will be centrifuged, the plasma will be separated there, and then sent. Will there be accuracy in that?

Yeah, definitely. Because it's divided. Yeah, yeah. Where do you get samples from? Apart from Andhra, Telangana or Hyderabad? We get samples from all the metro cities throughout India. So, generally how many samples do you get daily? In APN Telangana, we have 3000 customers. And then outside, we have 1500 customers.

So, almost from 4500 customers definitely we get samples. I feel a little strange now, if we put aside metropolitan cities, at least we have facilities here, if we look at backward areas or in some villages, then for the sample taken there,

what is there? First of all, we see the sample, because of the report we get, we believe because of that, the medication we get is the sample, because of the report we get. We believe in it, because of the medication we get. We don't have any scope or confidence in accuracy. Yeah, definitely.

For example, I'll tell you a few situations.

Yeah.

There are biopsies. So, cancer biopsies, tissue biopsies. To collect the tissue, the doctor does a small surgical procedure, collects the tissue, and sends it to us for testing. So, it should be sent in a formalin solution without spoiling the tissue.

Right. It is definitely sent to us without formalin solution. They don't even care about it. No one cares. So, if it doesn't come in formalin solution, the tissue will spoil. Even if we convey the information that we rejected, they won't look at it.

They say, the report hasn't come say, the report hasn't come yet. The customer has to give a report on time. What kind of report is it? Is it a quality report? Is it a quality report after performing a test? Cancer biopsy report is run so unprofessionally. Does it happen regularly here?

If you can name a few places. Yeah, I think most of it comes from outside. So, it's from the villages? Yeah, definitely. These issues are mostly from rural towns. We will tell you. What I said is not like this. We have a conscience.

We should not kill it and keep it. We should maintain it. You buy and send it. If you want a formal solution, even if you buy it, it does not depend on the time it takes to send it. they will send like that. Oh. Yeah. They will send like that.

Oh.

Yeah. They will send like that. Oh. Yeah. They will send like that. Oh.

Yeah. They will send like that.

Oh.

Yeah. They will send like that. Oh. Yeah. They will send like that. Oh.

Yeah. They will send like that. Oh. Yeah. No, there are no such centers. Even if a mistake happens in one location, they will say that the same method is followed in all locations. And in 10 states, we have processing centers.

They will seize everything. There is no one like me in the US. The FBI will come there directly. They will seize everything. They will take away all the systems. Then they will come back.

After the issue is resolved, they will come back. After the issue is resolved, they will come back.

Who is scared here?

No one is scared.

Even if we give a wrong report,

You are taking 700 rupees. has a lot of sickness and illness, goes to someone else and compares,

there is a report, here is a report, and there are differences. Then he calls and argues. Then the middleman in the middle calls us and says, the report is wrong. So, in the whole process, where did the mistake happen? Actually, I'll give you a small example.

I told you that I got it done online. I was abnormal that day. I was a bit scared thinking, how did it grow so much after the discharge. I was silent because I was in a house. After two days, I went to the nearby diagnostic center and got it done.

There was a difference. I thought it was high that day. Naturally, we know that health is not in our control. We don't know what's happening inside the body. I didn't eat properly, didn't sleep properly, or I missed my medication.

I thought it was a spike. Definitely. I thought it was a casual abnormality. But even if you don't know, you don't care. Even if you see the difference, you don't know if it was like this or that. We use labs like ours to compare samples from hospitals like AIIMS for their standards.

So we maintain this quality and run it with this infrastructure. But our making is not even more than 15%. So, no matter who the middleman well, they make a lot of money. So, 70% of the MRP price goes with them. And then, only 30% goes to those who actually perform well.

Who are you playing with?

Yeah, this is all end of the day. What's the point of telling this? Definitely. Definitely, patients are unaware. They say, if the money is less, they'll do it near their homes. But, later you'll know. I said, you can do it near your house. But later I realized,

I am learning a lot of new things while you are talking.

I remembered while you were talking, The diagnostic centers with the name. Talking about that chain,

there is a big threat. I get fake reports. I try to avoid fights. Otherwise, I don't know what to do. Can you please advise? There are question marks in the red. But if I ask you, because you know the industry,

because you know the loopholes, in case you advise me, I myself understand in the reports that something is fishy.

What should I do now? If you do all the labs like that, In case you advise me, I myself understood in the reports that something is fishy. Yeah.

What should I do now? If you do all the labs like that, definitely not all the labs will do like that. For example, a customer came to us for a test. Almost one year back. So, he is a healthy person, but he is conscious.

Now, after COVID, what happened is, awareness came. Okay, at least once in 6 months, once a year, after COVID, we have awareness. Once in 6 months, once in a year, we can do tests. So, they did the tests. They came back healthy.

But, the value of abnormal came. He said, I don't believe. I don't believe. I am fine. I did it 3 months back. He said. So, basically, what happened? In 100 test parameters, we gave only 1 abnormal.

Before that, when we did 100 test parameters in different labs, 99 out of 100 came out good and 1 abnormal was found. The labs did not consider that as abnormal either. They could have converted it to normal and reported it.

Oh!

So, now, why did we give it an abnormal number? They may not consider it abnormal. They may have converted it to normal and reported it. Oh!

So, it's okay.

A lab that has been there for 10 to 15 years. We told him that we would register there and pay the money. We took him. We took him and his test tube, gave the sample there, paid the money and gave the registration. We asked him how long it would take.

He said it would take 5 days. So, we came back. By that time, we met the customer and got the report. We asked them, how many of them are there? They said 5. So we came back. At that time, we met the customer and got the report. What was the report?

They gave us the normal values. That is a lab that has been here for 40 years. Very reputed lab. Big lab. So, definitely the normal lab came here

4 years ago. That lab has been here for 40 years. They say it's ours. Definitely, they claim me. Because I don't have a good footprint, I don't have years of history. Definitely, they blame the newbie.

So, immediately, what we did, we went to verify from the lab. What we said was, give the reading on the machine

Ok, actual reading

They took a picture of the actual reading and asked us to give it We said no, sorry sir They changed the report and gave it to us For 40 years Definitely doctors can sense it So they can sense it, Omsi So, they can correlate

They can understand

They can correlate the symptoms and the reports we give and they can tell

There is nothing wrong in that

I will give you an example I have been traveling here and there for a month from India and US I have been getting different food changes and sleep changes So, I should be available for 2 time zones. So, I got a gout. What is gout?

It is when the uric acid pellets form near the bones, like stones. So, it causes pain in the opposite direction. It comes in the middle of the fingers and the middle of the fingers.

Is it because of lack of sleep?

Food, irrelevant time, food and then lot of water intake lag. Because of that, uric acid crystals form more in the joints, in the buttock joints. I went with one doctor in Apollo, I took an appointment. Here? Here, in Apollo. So, when I sat there, the doctor took the symptoms,

and then he saw them. And then, he asked me if I had taken all these tests, or if I should take the tests and come back. I said, I took some of the recommended tests, and I gave my folder,

Yoda Diagnostics Test Reports folder. He said, okay, you have already taken it. So, in Yoda, they do some good decent job in Yoda. You didn't know about it. I didn't know about it. I was just a regular customer. I went there as a patient.

So that tells us. Within 4 years, from a very reputed hospital, he is a very busy doctor. Rheumatology department. So, those two positions,

I invested 200 crores, it gave meaning to it. So they sense it. The symptoms and the reports we give, they correlate. So, if they cannot confirm a few tests that the first recommendation, they will order additional correlated parameters. So, they have to understand the root cause somewhere. If they don't understand, they definitely go for genetics.

They go for advanced testing. Right. But if the patient knows something, he understood something, he got 3-4 reports, he understood that fake reports came from a diagnostic center. I got fake reports from a diagnostic center.

How can he challenge it or what should he do? Can he file a case or sue? Definitely, he can complain to DMHO. District Health Department. And then he can complain to NABL. So, NABL officer definitely, they take up and then serious implications will be there.

So, now we have NABL audits every two years. Okay. So, what do they do? Do they do machine audits? No, no, no. Completely. In those two years, what protocols we are following, how many test parameters we are doing in-house,

so, are we maintaining the documentation properly? parameters in-house. So documentation proper maintenance. We check the data for 1-2 years and verify it. We go to the lab and check if the protocols are being followed or not. We talk to the technicians working inside the lab. They make conversations and all. Any incidental complaints like this,

if there is any complaint in our lab, they collect the history and come. So a group of people come from NABL body In case the patient comes to know about it, they can report it to them DMH or NABL Coming to this DNA, genes, genetical studies, DNA tests

These are all fascinating topics Too much, topics that go beyond this We see all these in movies DNA is a sample collected in a crime scene. Otherwise, in some comic scenes, who uses a DNA report to see who is the guy? I have heard only that much.

What else is there to know? So if at all, if I am a layman, what is DNA, what is gene, what is the resemblance, what is the need to know?

If you ask that, if you can explain from the basics.

Yeah. Because of genetics, I think we know the prediction of what disease is likely to come. Some hereditary through, some lifestyle changes. Now, from a small blood sample from saliva sample

we extract DNA which samples are there for DNA? hair? hair is used in forensic so in diagnostics it is either saliva

or Buckle's swab or DNA is extracted from blood sample after extraction 8 GB data is get 8 GB data 8 GB data from one test? 8 GB of DNA data from one DNA extraction

What is there in that? Different combinations of gene structure that was made up from both mother and father DNA structure combinations 8 GB data we are Asian ethnic

so that too Indian population so for 20-25 years research is going on on genomics on Indian population DNA there are data banks so the data from multiple cases are all there

yeah, yeah, it is there in those databases there are some patents so there. Yes, it is there. There are some patterns in those databases. So, there are cardiac issues, there is cancer. So, in those databases, for a human being affected by hereditary cancer,

which pattern of genetic structure is there? According to the previous cases, we look at that pattern and build pipelines and algorithms. We take the HGB data and run algorithms with every disease-specific pipeline. So, if these patterns correlate, then based on that we can predict. So, if you are taking my DNA report, you identify the issues in my genes?

Identify that pattern and match it with this pattern. Yeah, we already build a pipeline for every disease. We write an algorithm for it.

Hmm.

So, we go to your AGB data and correlate with each pipeline.

Hmm.

When there are matching patterns somewhere, then we will come to know that there is a prediction of a particular disease that may is a chance of it. Not only that, for every disease type, there are almost 320 FDA approved drugs.

Now, a medicine can work for you. A medicine that worked for you, might not work for me. So, for that too, for these 320 drugs, which medicine worked better,

more effectively, we will tell you. Right. We also tell which medicine works better for these 320 drugs. Right. All the traditional approaches are done, Vamsi. So, going forward, you have a unique health profile. You have a health profile. So, the medicine that works for you,

the disease that you get, no one else wants to get it. The medicine that works for others, no one wants to give it to you. you don't want to get the same disease to others and you don't want to get the same medicine to others so your medicine, the food you eat your physical health everything so

based on the genomics we can do recommendations on how to keep your profile and lifestyle that helps you to improve your lifestyle at least 5 to 10 years you can improve your lifespan once least 5 to 10 years lifespan.

How much does it cost to get a full body DNA test done? We have derived a test called DNA decoder. Okay. It has four components. So, it's a once in a lifetime test. It predicts almost 20,000 hereditary or chronic thrombosis.

That is the diagnosis part. After predicting, you may be a carrier. So, I carry the gene that came from my father or mother, and if I don't get the disease, I don't get the pill. Even if you don't get it, there is a chance for your next generation. So, you are a carrier.

If you are a carrier, there is a carrier gene. We will tell you the risk of such disease. If you have a chance, you have a risk. Do you have a chance? We have seen 90% accuracy. Since last 4 years, we are doing it.

So, Approximate cost for this? I think, right now, the market is varying, around 49,000 to 50,000.

Okay.

And food. Another component of this is nutrigenomics.

Okay.

So, nutrition is based on our regular lipid profile, cholesterol levels, and our dietitians and nutritionists make recommendations. We tell them at the gene level. Which is almost confirmed. At the genetic level, which food you are allergic to, which food you are not allergic to, which food you can eat, which food you can eat cautiously. So, we tell them that too. That is one component. Other thing is physical endurance. whether it is fitness programs or sports or how much physical workout

we can do to endure your body so now I am thinking of making my kids into a badminton player or a cricketer so we can determine if their physical endurance is really fit for sports or not. How can you decide about how the body will be in the future? Muscle fatigue, bone density parameters, we can determine whether they can withstand to certain extent of sports or physical activity. Whether their body can really, we can determine.

But with time, it increases, right?

Yeah.

The parameters you mentioned, doesn't it increase with time and improve? We withstand what we have, but if we improve what we don't have,

I understood that.

It will definitely be inherited from the parents. I mean, I have already written the history.

I am going to come like this.

Okay. I have already written my history. I am going to come here. Obviously, 90% of the things that we carry from parents. Now, genetically, whether you predict 90% or not, if you put it aside, suddenly, for 50 years, your health will be good.

You have done such tests. But, after 50 years, suddenly, a disease started. Okay. Risk came. And then, why it came, in the previous prediction, lot of environmental toxins.

It could be food. So, we are very quick food. Lifestyle changes. Habits. More stressed lifestyle. Right.

We got used to more lifestyle than our income so that is more endangered going forward in the next generations for example, there was autism before there were more cases in US autism, mental health issues, all these even genetically

now it has increased. Now, in every 38 kids, at least 2 have autism. In 38 kids, 2? Yes, 2. So, the reason is because of lifestyle.

So, after settling, they say, let's plan the kids. For that settlement, There is no measurement for that settlement. Before planning a kid, a healthy lifestyle, at least a little before a year, even if we have some habits as a human being, so when we are planning for giving a birth to a healthy baby,

so at least a year ahead, we plan and do some preventive tests. So, it's a little hereditary. Even if it's not hereditary, we have to control our habits, keep a disciplined life, and plan. It's basic responsibility, right?

Basic responsibility. We planned it randomly, gave birth. But, Even though they are at home, I have seen some people in their homes.

They think that their level of knowledge is low, and leave it.

They are like two kids.

They will learn. They will get along in school, college.

They will change after marriage.

This is the mentality.

Right, right. Have you seen such cases?

Yeah, definitely. Even in my family, we have the same problem. My own child has some speech delay. Oh, your son? Yeah, my son. So, cognitive skills, physically, everything is good.

It's a very minor stage on corner minor spectrum on corner which can be retrieved but in by chosen and so it's a very pain in the family so last 15 years in churus long no so therapy centers low and only a stone therapy centers in the day same like my Chaitanya Narayana schools log they say A, B, C, D, A, B, C, D Because it is speech therapies

Yes, speech, but it could be any therapy So, because you are doing it repeatedly One day definitely he will say it He will say A or B They will shoot a video and put it for us We feel that there is a lot of progress

So, I am not saying anything against therapy He says, it's B. They will shoot a video and show it to us. We feel that there is a lot of progress.

So, I am not saying anything against therapy.

But, science has evolved.

Using this science, we can find out what our root cause is.

Which is a functional medicine aspect.

Before going into that, before talking about the solutions,

can you talk about the range? relatable. For example, we have a guy. First, if he likes TV and it's playing, okay. If it's not playing, he comes, takes the remote, puts it near his hand and shows the okay. If it's not playing, he will come with a remote and show it to the hand.

If he wants to eat something, he will take it with his hand and point the finger. So, he is unable to express himself.

Okay.

How old is this? This is 3 years. So, now, he is watching TV. When he is watching TV, he gets an 8-minute story. But he picks up the whole 8-minute story.

If he likes it, he speaks and tells. He tells the numbers, A to Z, A for Apple, he tells everything. These are some easy findings that we can do definitely.

If there is no listener,

If there is a listener, he will tell you everything. Yes, if there is a listener, he will tell you everything when he finds it. Whenever he finds it, he will call me daddy. When we ask him to call, he will call. He likes conversations. So, definitely we can find out.

Mother can easily find out. Being father, we are busy, mother can easily sense the growth and milestones of his own. It will be there day long. Yes, it will be there. In your son's situation, this is something which is definitely disturbing. Apart from this, many people have similar issues.

What kind of issues have you seen in extremists? Or you have heard of such things? In mental, physically also I think they can't walk They don't have strength This has to be attended within 5-6 years Once you cross a certain age

You cannot even Improvise it Because brain development Happens only for 5-6 years If you want to correct something You you have to attend to it, identify it, correct it. You have to take corrective measures.

That's all. We cannot bring it back. But if we think about parents, if they are not able to attend it before, as you said, identify it within 4 to 5 years, and if they don't understand the difficulties to settle it, then it will be a problem for the children and the parents. Yeah, definitely.

There are situations where we can't do anything. So, there's a developed country, Vamsi. Even there, most of the people call these therapy centers as ABA therapy centers. So, they enroll in those.

Or, some people… We pay money ourselves or get help from the insurance company. Paying and all. Or there are special education schools in the government. So they do evaluation.

So, like regular schools, there are special education schools. Along with therapy, there is education too. Actually, you have to send them for special education. But parents don't like it. Even our education. But parents won't like it. Even our parents from Indian origin won't like it. Once you enroll them there,

Autism record is established on the kid. We won't send them there if we can't take it. But those schools are very good schools. So they take care of the kids very well. They enroll the kids in the program. They properly assess the issues and how to address them.

There are good curriculums. But they don't send them. They send them to the therapy centers. Same here and there. They do the same routine stuff. So, they tell the parents to achieve small milestones.

But, therapy definitely helps in assessing the behavior and bringing in behavioral changes. But, along with this, scientific approaches are also important. That's not enough. We can find out through genetic testing. We can find out if there is any hereditary issue. So, is there any issue in DNA level?

If there is an issue in DNA level, we cannot change anything. We can bring some improvements. But we cannot go and correct the DNA or alter the DNA. But still,

that's not the only reason. As I said, lifestyle changes are the main reason. But what kind of issues can a small kid have with lifestyle changes? Lifestyle changes because of parents. Because of parents, without proper planning... So...

It's like you're doing the kid wrong. No, obviously it's wrong. Without thinking about it, without planning for a year ahead, you're putting pressure on the kid because of, Yeah. Instead of blaming the kids for other people's pressure, you are blaming the kid. Definitely.

So, healthy baby is very important. It's in your hands. I heard a recent story, from someone, before marriage, we look at horoscopes,

or horoscopes, along with that, if we do a full body checkup and also do a DNA test, both will be safe, right? Both will have security. Definitely, going forward.

It's important to have a reason to listen.

Definitely. If I marry someone knowing I have an issue, I'm cheating them,

and I'm cheating myself.

Yeah. They will also come and fall in love with me. Even if you have, it is okay to like it, get married, but at least before you plan for a kid, at least you need to know the issues, preventive, you can identify it before giving birth.

Parental ethics.

Yeah, definitely parental ethics. So, if they have such tests, let's complete this once and talk about their tests. Yeah, yeah. So, they can go for even the same kind of genetic testing.

Ok. Parents.

Parents. That is, before planning for a kid. Yeah.

Ok.

Fertility, infertility panels are there. So, now that has increased. Infertility has increased. For all the diseases that are coming now, for the diseases that are coming in the future, our hands are the ones that will take us.

Hereditary is very less. These lifestyle changes, outside food, and neuronal toxins make the gene express properly and it does improper way of expression.

Or it expresses more or it doesn't express at all. All these happen because of neuronal factors. What is lifestyle? The food we eat. If we don't balance it properly, definitely next generation will be like this. And then even our lifestyles will go down.

Lifespan definitely reduced. Next generation will have the same issues. Got it. After the DNA test, you said the test was 40,000 to 50,000. After that test, say for suppose they got married, preventively, if there are no findings,

what are the alarming findings? Can you tell us about the risks and findings? There are chromosomal abnormalities. There is a test called NIPT. Is this a test in DNA? Yes, DNA plus NIPT is another test.

It is used for newborns. If we plan a baby for a newborn, with issues like Down syndrome, Oh, it is known before planning. Yes, before planning. Due to the abnormalities we have,

if we go for a baby, is there a chance of getting a risk? Is there a chance of carrying? So, as I said earlier, you have carrier gene. So, the mother has nothing. So, definitely, the chance is less.

So, if both the mother and father are carrying for an issue, it will definitely carry to the next generation.

Definitely, some of these abnormalities... carrying it, it will definitely carry to the next generation.

Definitely, there is a scope for this immediate generation to carry. So because of that, definitely chances of risk will come. So you can do it in the early trimester. In the first trimester, at least after the baby is formed, there are some tests like NIPT and all. Even after doing those tests, if the baby has any abnormalities, What can be done then?

I think the doctor can request for medical termination. Oh, without the kidney being seen, the kidney can be seized. Yes, it can be aborted. So, in medical termination, with the doctor's guidance, with these reports, evidence, we can go for it. You are saying, after the pregnancy is conceived,

after the first 3 months, to be aborted, medical reports should be shown, instead of giving an unhealthy birth, without giving birth to another unhealthy child. Now, the children have planned, been conceived and everything is done, the kids are born,

at this time, we know that they are autistic, or we are thinking of getting these tests done. For them, a small walkway, this is what you need to get tested for first, we are talking about this, we are talking majorly about autism.

The main issue is cognitive, It comes from brain development. So, when you are pregnant, the mother should definitely take proper supplements. Even after taking proper supplements, there are some tests. So, for example, if you take autism,

there is a test called FRAT test. FRAT? FRAT. FRAT. If you take autism, there is a test called FRAT test. FRAT. FRAT. FRAT. FRAT. They call it folate autoantibody receptor test.

So what it does is, folic acid is a supplement for the brain development. Folic acid, even in the bloodstream, in the mother mother's bloodstream, the baby's bloodstream goes to the baby's brain and binds the folate receptor to the baby's brain. Sometimes, in some kits, the binding happens. The folic acid does not go to the baby's brain. So, it binds and stops it from going out of the bloodstream.

So, due to stopping, if the NF folic acid does not go to the brain, the brain development will not happen properly. So, improper brain development will happen. So, this test tells whether it is positive or negative. When will we know this? Definitely, when the mother is pregnant, we can do this test. So can detect it only when the mother is pregnant.

If the mother is positive, the folic acid is binding to the brain and not going from the bloodstream to the brain. We have to give it as an external supplement. So, when we give it, it helps the proper brain growth. So, this is one stage. Without taking these preventive checks, if a kid is born and we see developmental delays after 2 years, definitely, even then

we should first do a FRAT test. For the kid? Yes, plus a genetic test. So, it is called whole exome analysis. Is there any issue with the hereditary?

Or is there any issue with the deficiency of folic acid? And sometimes, as I told you, there are different reasons. Sometimes, there is heavy metal toxicity in the body, like sea food. Metal? Heavy metals like mercury in seafood fish. So, sometimes kids play with toys and they say they put lead content in their mouth.

Plus, in old houses, lead particles fall from the wall paints. So, that content goes to the body, externally. So, there are into the body externally. So, there are some comprehensive tests. So, if we do all these, we can understand what root cause is. For example, I told you about my kid, right?

So, we identified that there is heavy metal, lead in the body. At what age? 3rd? 3 years. Yeah, there has heavy metal. So, definitely he is positive for the FRAG test. So, as a compulsory, we have to give him a folic acid supplement.

Vitamin B12 and D shots. So, some functional medicine, root cause of diagnosis and along with that, if we give him therapy,

the kid will improve. Or else, take the findings directly and put it there. Only therapy will help. So, to understand that, even though we are in a developed country, it took us a couple of years. How to attend this,

what is the root cause, and how to identify it. Last summer, during holidays, my family and I came here. There is a medical group, a very famous medical group for autism spectrum disorder. So, one of my friend's family recommended to go and have a visit with them.

So, when we went, they took the kidney, but did not take care of the kidney. They kept the kidney aside and tooky was sitting next to the mother. So, they took all the inputs from the mother. First, they immediately told me to do all these tests.

Before observing the kidney?

Yeah, before observing anything. So, we told them all the therapy. Okay, therapy is okay. You please continue the therapy. But you go and get these tests done. If you do it and give me the reports,

then we will do supplemental changes. What are the deficiencies? They will tell us about food changes. We should not eat sugar and should not use dairy products. And now we have to detox this heavy metal from the body. So, one good thing is that in our case, there is no genetic mutation.

There is no issue in terms of genetics. So, which can be reversal. If there is a genetic issue, we cannot reverse it. But at least we can see some improvements in some areas. But, if it is not genetic, it is only from the tests, right? Yes, from the tests.

Plus, if the folic acid, the FRAac test is positive or negative, if it is positive, definitely, you need to give an external supplement. So, this is for neuropediatricians, pediatricians, and then child psychologists. So, all of them should give functional medicine approach, root cause analysis through treatment plants.

And nutrition also, now, there are more synthetic nutraceuticals. So, organic form of nutraceuticals, we should prefer. So, best quality

of these supplements, we should find out and give. From good branded companies at least. Because, then only we can see the effectiveness. So, now, because of these changes, we are seeing because we can see the effectiveness

so because of these changes, we are seeing within 90 days itself we are seeing lot of improvement in behavior, speech in your son yes, in my son particularly, he is picking up speech so now speech has increased

and at the same time we are sending him to school, speech has increased, and at the same time, we are sending them to school, behavior has changed. Wow, nice. Before, if we give a book, they would just look at it for a few seconds and throw it away. By the time we look at it, they would have gone to another job.

Okay.

Groups, even with elders, playing with brothers, getting engaged, they would not be concentrated on one thing, spending time on it. Oh. or spend time on it. So, being in healthcare,

it took me this long to have all these approaches and follow them. So, I saw here, why should I leave it in the summer? Therapy is a continuous process. I asked when I sent it.

I am a child psychologist in a therapy center.

Here? Yes, here When you came here?

Yes, when I came here

Yes

When I asked them, Are you recommending these to me?

Yes

The people who recommended me in the medical center in the US All their children, The group of doctors who formed the medical center All their children are autistic Heavy autistic They did a lot of research in this

So, I followed their approaches and experienced in them. So, when I came here in the summer, I asked them if they were doing this test. We have invested 200 crores in such a big lab and such a big infrastructure. So, I asked them if they were doing anything. I asked them.

Here?

In our team. They said, we we are doing anything. Who? I asked them. Here in our team.

They said we are not doing it. So I asked them if any other lab in India is doing it. They said no one is doing it. So then why can't we do that? Why are we not doing it? Because no one is aware of that particular test, number one.

So there is no awareness. No doctor is requesting us. So, when we request the doctor, even if we implement it and get it done, it is a waste. Because of that test,

there is no awareness that this much help for kids, autistic kids, will not be helpful. So, there is no request. There are no doctor recommendations. Even if we say this, there are no doctor's recommendations. So, even if you say all this,

there is some money, there is this norm, right? So, they are asking us to do this for money, to do that.

That is a belief.

That is a belief too.

There is truth too, right?

Yes, there is truth too, definitely. It is not wrong. When I asked, they told me that. So, you are some, because these are a little expensive tests, not 200 or 300, but the expensive tests. Genetic tests I mentioned,

FRAT, comprehensive bundles, heavy metal tests, if you add all these, it's at least 90,000 to 1 lakh worth of tests. So, the affordability is also a problem.

But you can find the difficult route. Definitely. Our parents, for our education, giving us education and quality life.

They are investing a lot.

They are supporting us in everything. Right? Farming, agriculture, family. So, definitely for the kid, we'll be ready to spend anything. You should know, but you should know. You should know at first.

Yeah, it's not… Someone told me, I worked in an office, an employee in our office. He has a son. His salary is Rs.40,000. How can they afford?

Only for a single test. For identification. So, after giving the supplements, after creating a treatment plan and giving the supplements, every time, the supplements, whether there is enough or not, it should not be more or less.

There are problems in both. So, to continuously monitor, some tests should be done. Those genetic tests should be done once. But, for root cause identification, definitely every parent should have this kind of approach. Now, like this, whether there is identification or not,

suppose there is a kid, whether it is good or not? Even if you don't have identification, you can do it for safety, right? Yes, preventively. It's good to do all this before planning a new kid. Yes, before planning a kid or after the kid is born.

Even if you don't go with the mentality of autism, these kind of FRAT tests are very common. As you said, out of 38-37 members, it has become very common. Yes, it has become more predominantly. We are seeing many more members. Now, after introducing this test,

from outside, almost from Pondicherry, from Punjab, Ludhiana, we are getting from different states. How many days have you been introducing? It's been 4 months since we introduced it. First time in India, no other lab is doing now As of now

Wow, ok Almost 3000 per month 3000 tests per month In the last 4 months? In the last 4 months No single flyer, no marketing

We have not conducted an awareness program just an idea through our self-experience a request and then slowly when our son develops he goes to neuropediatricians

generally, when there are developmental delays we want to introduce him it will help, right? we went for an opinion definitely it's the need of the hour. It's a good thing to do.

They started putting word of mouth in their neuro-pediatric groups. In their doctor networking groups. So, with word of mouth, we are doing it for 3000 kids every month.

Wow.

That frat is only once. Whether it's positive or negative. We will know. Then, the monitoring is different Monitoring is different But if you are doing it for 3000 kids per month, how many kids are already impacted? You haven't done any marketing, you haven't said anything

These are all from inbound inquiries

Yes, inquiries from inbound From one parent to another parent They do a lot of lab I will do it after this podcast. This link is for those who I know, who have issues with their kids.

I will share it with them. It will go out of my mouth. Since you are in need of the hour, whoever is watching this podcast, if you know about this test, please make people aware about that test also.

Every month, when I enrolled for that therapy, I used to charge Rs. 50,000. So, this is just once, right? You put Rs. 1 lakh, you put it once. After that, whether these supplements are enough regularly

or what we give in the body, to know that, how much? 2, 3 thousand? That's it. I understood. So, it's a very good investment. It's not an investment for the kid to bring him from that situation. It will help.

When I was talking to you about this, you are going to start a business in the field of autism. Some new venture. I heard that Mr. Chiranjeevi was also involved. From day one, with his blessings, I have started a business. I saw your introduction. I also saw the inaugural. I did the inauguration for the business Vice President Venky Naidu, Chiranjeevi and our cricketer Ajay Reddy They all came and inaugurated and blessed us

One year back, they called me asking if I was in India or US I said I, I went immediately and told them I was available. They collaborated with Yodha and Chiranjeevi Charitable Trust and requested to address a good cause. After 6 months, my personal life experience, we took it as autism. We are protecting the future generation. We are the ones who protect them. So we are thinking of this area.

We are thinking of taking this area as a 4-5 acres land outside the city. We will make it a rehabilitation center and not a wellness center. So, in the case of children, the sole responsibility is the mother and father. If the grandparents are active, then they have to take care of the child. But no one comes and helps at that time. We have to take care of our own kid. So, it is not a family, but a traumatic situation.

So, we have set up a wellness center, rehabilitation center is set up and a special education is set up there like a school. And parents can come there and enroll the kids in different programs. And they can stay there. When the kid is enrolled in different programs, they can also do yoga, meditation, some detox programs. Sometimes, if the parents also don't regenerate, they also need to regain their strength.

Correct. So, they also need to be with the kid continuously and they also need some kind of strength to regenerate themselves. When they are there, both parents and kids enroll in different programs for healing, different programs, nutrition So, if you teach to parents, they will become their teachers in home.

Correct. So, then...

It will change from the base level.

Yeah, there will be a lot of improvement. The atmosphere will change, right? It will change. Correct. So, at that time. It might change from the base level. Yes, there is a lot of improvement. The atmosphere will change.

Yes, it will change.

Definitely. So, what are the good reasons? We are in discussions now. How to plan in a phased manner. So, I think we might be launching a brand called Yodhara. Yodhara.

This autism related project. ARA means autism reach and aspire wellness ARA Aspire wellness. So, when he first told you about this how was it? I think CCT and Yodhara both together

Chennan Jeevi Charitable Trust Chennan Jeevi Charitable Trust and Yodhara So, both collaborating and coming up with this project. By adding such people definitely awareness will increase a little more, and trust will also increase naturally.

Yeah, definitely. It can reach lakhs of people.

Right.

The reason I can say this strongly is because I am a case in my own case. So, my own kid is... It started from there, right?

You didn't get it from business, right?

You got it from experience, right? Yeah. So, in companies that have been around for 30-40 years, I don't know what the test is. Luckily or unluckily, I am a real-time parent, I know that there is a fragmented approach.

I have to identify the root cause. Because, these supplements are immediately taken in the body and it shows the impact. Therapy is a long process.

Correct.

It requires, but the improvement is due to body changes. The improvement and impact is different.

Got it.

So, I think it is going to be a very good project. Definitely. I am sure all the very best. Yeah, yeah. Thank you very much. Also, since you are in this industry, so you say, right? Because of a disease called cancer, I was going through the WHO articles also. Yeah. One out of six members died of cancer. Almost 10 million, in 2020, 10 million deaths are only because of cancer. Millions of people died worldwide.

Only because of cancer, it is the second biggest pandemic. So, many people talk about it, right? Cancer has medicine. But if it comes out, pharmaceuticals or the mafia will say that they are stopping it. But how far is it true?

Is there really medicine?

Are they hiding it?

I think, definitely no. There are treatment plans and medications. But they say that they are stopping it. No, it's not like that. I think, it depends on the stage of cancer. And then it depends on the type of cancer.

So, definitely some thyroid, testicle cancers, some breast, these are I think manageable and curable. But there are vaccines too. Yeah, yeah. Now, awareness has come, cancer screenings are compulsory in regular health packages, everything has been included. So, like you said think it's available. And whatever we have, effective medications, it's all about finding it the right time. So, that's where the preventive wellness comes into picture.

Prevention is better than cure. So, definitely, the earlier we diagnose, the more delay we can have. Hmm. When we know there is a risk, early on, our lifestyle or food, can delay it a bit.

Hmm.

Even if it comes, it is manageable.

Correct.

We detect it at an early stage. Hmm. That's what we recommend. All the predictions we make in DNA decoder, it will help there. If you know there is a risk,

you have to do these tests every 3-6 months. Because we have predicted this risk. When you do it, we do early diagnosis. At the stage 1 itself, which is treatable,

and which is treatable and

Which is a manageable so definitely it can reduce the risk of death and all

I think we cannot because every day once you get a carcinogenic cell in your body, it mutates rapidly, grows rapidly. So, we cannot stop it. So, if it is diagnosed as early as possible, maybe we can treat it well and then manage it well. Makes sense. So, we can reduce the death occurrences. DNA tests or test reports in diagnostic centers,, the data is very much sensitive or confidential. There are many misuses there. For example, selling to insurance companies

or selling to some kind of fitness industries. There are many such cases. Tell us about that. Mostly, pharmaceutical industries do clinical studies Yes, licensed.

Fair use.

But they don't have to do this.

Because they do preclinical studies and postclinical studies. So, they take a targeted population, sign consents with them, and use that population in clinical trials only after they agree. So, they use the clinical data generated from them, the tested data. I don't think they can use it for theft. They need a pattern of reports, data to submit to the FDA or any other authorized regulatory body to get their drug approvals.

So they take such data and… That's what I was actually going through and it was like a common allocation. Yeah, yeah. When you take a patient's demographics, you don't need just healthcare data to get demographics, right? So, you can get it from anywhere. Right, right. Yeah, so you can get a voter list.

Everyone has the allocation in the data, right? Yeah, there is an allocation. I read an article about this. caste marriages or inter-region marriages are very much important or useful for DNA mutation or gene mutation. I read that it will help to make it better.

What is the sense in it?

I think, Vamsi, I think now, we are not doing it within the family. And then, very diversified now. So, like before, old, traditional, same caste, same community or we came from Andhra, so we should marry

from Andhra or from Telangana, our habits will fit them. It's not like that. The culture has changed. Generation has did a very big shift in those mindsets. So, gene diversification

happened. Because of that, definitely the chances of hereditary disease conditions will be reduced. Right. So, for example, if you see Middle East, definitely, very much, genetic diseases, these are very predominantly seen. Correct. Because they marry in very close families. So, particularly India when compared to other countries, is a much more diversified country.

So, not in the food, language that we speak in every state. Not like that. Now even marriages are very diversified. So, definitely it will help. If it is a hereditary disease condition, there are diversified hereditary combinations.

Definitely it is going to help us in this way. If it is a health issue, it will definitely help. Understood. When I saw the DNA decoder for the first time on this website, that's why it was a little excited. I was wondering how such a big reporting system can be used in DNA.

I also saw about the app after you talked. Let's see the report once. It sounds very interesting. Definitely.

Thank you.

This is what the report. As I said earlier, there is a diagnosis part in this. Then medicines, personalized medicines, pressure medicine, dietary management. So, nutrition. So, and then in the report, I think. Oh, it says the whole list is in this. Yeah. So, risk, genetic risk, if there is risk, there is risk, if not, carrier is carrier. So, how accurate is it? So, this is almost 90% predictions are positive.

Oh, super. It's 3000 plus now? Yes, 3000 plus. So, this person is given everything according to his DNA study, person's diet is adjusted according to his age, along with the general daily routine, he is also taking food. Definitely. So, the dietary plan, if it is already on medication,

they will change the recommended medications. If there is already an issue on medication. If it is on medication, they will change the medication plan, treatment plan. Risk for genetic disorders, okay. Yeah. Prediction, we are saying that risk will come in the future.

We will summarize it and tell them every 6 months or every 3 months, which tests should be done frequently, if there is risk. So that early detection. But if he is doing it, he will be scared for the rest of his life. I know, but if we do an early diagnosis, maybe we can delay it. Some people are weak hearted, they are always tensed.

Not everyone, but at least in the family, we know that there is a hereditary issues from two generations. Our parents and grandparents would tell us. There is an issue, your grandmother has this issue, your grandmother has that issue. All these red marks are issues. Yeah, these are all medicines related.

Which is safe and which is toxic, you should not take. So, even if you do the recommended lack of efficiency if you take this, this medicine will not work so this will convert to toxic standard is recommended, safe and recommended

we give it in the form of USB just save and keep it We do basic health checkups But we don't have to go and do this test every time This is one time in life Right

So, it's going to be your health profile Which is not going to change anything Your genetic data DNA data will not change anything So What we bought is like

we introduced an app called mystery yodha it's a first time e-commerce platform with AI agentic capabilities so what that app does is

once you do this test AI agentic chatbots so voice chatbots, voice chatbots. So, all the data you have tested will be in that. We have trained those bots.

So, every time when you want to eat something, or you can ask it, so, can I eat this food? If you ask her, she will base it on your genetic data, based on the nutrient genomics component, she will base it on recommendations, and say, you should not eat this type of food.

Right. So, those kind of recommendations, which is scientific based recommendations, she will base it on your data and give recommendations. So, not something you know, likejiputi or Google will give recommendations. It will give recommendations based on your data and will talk to you. Right. So this concept is to bridge that gap. That's why it started

the e-commerce platform called Mystery Yoda. Like Tata 1MG, Apollo 24x7, like orange diagnostics. So, all these are already there, Lollapath. So, how we differentiate ourselves is, these AI-agentic bots, which will have the data, continuously trained about your health data to the bots, and do the real-time recommendations for your day-to-day lifestyle and health related recommendations.

And there is a medmatch too, let's try it with these tablets. Yeah definitely. So, I have already told you about the precision medicine, so I think, can I get my, so this is the mystery of the app. This is the bot and we have a diagnostics, like routine diagnostics, like all the companies. Then this is the DNA decoder that I said.

So one time in life, which improves at least 5 to 10 years of your lifespan. We can follow the recommendations given and make lifestyle changes. And this is another thing, MedMatch, which is nothing but pharmacogenomics test. So, we can say whether this medicine will work or not. Yes, MedMatch. So, I have done this test.

I have done the test. So, this is your report. Yes, my report. So, I got sick. So, I went to the doctor. And then he recommended some medications to me. What I will do is,

I will take the medicine and go to the pharmacy. So, they will give me the medicines. I will take it. But, by my DNA profile, as I said earlier, starting with 320 FDA approved drugs,

whether the prescribed medicine works effectively on my body or not is a matter. So, when I went to the pharmacist, he gave me the medicine prescribed to me. So if I really want to do this test, I can click on this. Scan director. So I can come here, metformin. So compatible with your genetic profile.

So I can click on drug interactions. So ACE coach, on drug interactions. So, I can take it. No drug interactions. And then, when taking these medicines, what kind of food should I take? So, then, which food should I avoid? Which food, along with food,

does these medicines have any interaction? So, don't drink grapefruit or grape juice. Don't drink. So, avoid grape juice, avoid alcohol intake. So, it also tells us what is not good for that tablet. Yes, it tells us.

So, it tells us about food habits or dietary recommendations. It also tells us not to eat these when taking those drugs. Plus, it also tells us if these combinations are proper combinations or not. Interesting. And then, whether it is recommended or not. If it is not recommended,

as we saw earlier, matching to your genetic profile, you can use it, right? That medicine. So, if it is not recommended, it will show you the list of alternatives. So, you tell that to your doctor, and say, I got to do a medmatch test,

which is nothing but technically pharmacogenomics test. So, according to my recommendations, I am not recommended for this drug, but these are on the recommended list. We can represcribe it. And then use the appropriate medication

which will effectively work on our body. Understood. This is not like a just a quick commerce like, we ordered a test online, he came and took a sample, report came in WhatsApp, not like that.

It is going to be helpful as a healthcare assistant for you. So, the more you use it, the more information related to your health, the more information is trained for that.

So, over the period of 1-2 years, We have built a bot based on your health, Based on the mystery or the character in our app. Your family doctor and family members don't know the information you have. Your information and history will be in this bot. It will recommend you for a better health.

Understood.

On a daily basis.

Got it.

Generally, for a cause or for a business, though business is running,

Yeah.

But we keep discussing, right? Even if you start a business for social cause, consistency matters a lot. If we have a lot of discussions about how long we can work for social cause without paying money, Yeah. We have a lot of discussions about how long we can work for the social cause without spending money. But to push a little, money is not the only matter. Sometimes, good compliments or good acceptance,

like you said earlier, a doctor directly, when he says it will be good,

you will remember it well.

Definitely.

Do you remember anything in this journey? About three years back, when we introduced this DNA decoder test, particularly, this genetic test. I met our current Chief Minister, Chandrababu Naidu sir.

Oh, okay.

So, for a meeting. Babu sir, he wants to know new things.

Yes.

Learn about what youngsters... I bought it after seeing that. I bought it after seeing that.

Yes, I saw you talking somewhere.

So, I think first thing he suggested about keeping good disciplined lifestyle and all. What we are doing for our life, he wants us to do our best in that. You are saying DNA decoder, one time in life, so precision medicine, how accurate is this? He asked me that.

He asked me if I can come with a presentation on that concept. We thought of presenting it to him in layman terms. After going there, he brought doctors from different hospitals. He called doctors from all over the world. And then we thought like it requires definitely a thorough evaluation on our work.

So it's OK. We are confident what we are doing and we have been doing that since so many years. So then we presented it. Which research literature is there? Where did you get the supporting

literature and developed it with the supporting literature. So, the clinicians and doctors there, since they are from a reputed hospital, they did their cross questioning and all. And then finally, with the answers that we gave, he got some kind of confidence. After that, he said, I will give the specimen. You do it for me. He said that. I will not give any clinical history or anything.

I just want to assess the quality of a prediction and interpretation that you guys are going to do. He said that. Okay sir. Immediately the next day, we went and collected the sample. And then one month later, it definitely takes 3 to 4 weeks to finalize, report, analyze and conclude the test.

And then when it is ready, I think we followed up the office, followed up the SAR office and when the report was ready and then called us. Without giving any history, you guys did a very good job. Most of the things that you guys, our predictions all correlated with Sir. He was fascinated with the report. He said you guys did a good job.

Then he recommended to lot many know business people. He has been with me for almost like two or three years. Even now when there is a health matter, if there is a discussion, I am compulsorily with them. So, Yodha, Sudhakar came from US. So, they did diagnostics like this. They developed a genetic test like this.

So, they are doing a very good job. Try it once in your life. So, he recommended and bought the work that we have done with so many people. Many people call and say that you have a test. They say that they will talk about the topic we went to and how is the health. In general discussions, they say, health is what you are

talking about in your test. So, it's a very good testimonial. So, compared to the work satisfaction in that decade, when you get testimonials like this for the work you did in 4 years, that is a kicker for me. Sometimes, a small talk is enough to change the whole plan,

to change the structure. I have seen many examples and it has happened many times in my life. So in your journey, any mentorship or anything? Definitely, in everyone's life, there are people who have played a crucial role. K V Rao sir, who is the chairman for Kakinada Seaports Limited.

Yes.

So he is one of the major mentors mentor as a father figure for me.

How did you connect with him?

In some occasions, when he travelled to USA, I met him for the first time. So, the great quality in him is that, no matter how much he helps, from small to big people, he puts aside their financial status and accessibility.

So, in that process, many people meet him and go for help and guidance. I also started in the same way, that relationship also. But, he is the one who even

at the time I am planning to launch Yoda Diagnostics in India and to put the diagnostics I am planning and started taking the premise. It was in the initial stages. Immediately, with his support, I was able to launch.

I never thought in my life, I am a fan of Chiranjeevi since childhood. I never thought that Chiranjeevi would come to launch my company. And Vice President of India, Venkaiah Naidu.

I saw the video. And Vice President of India, Venkaiah Naidu.

Yeah. And a lot of other sports personalities. Just because of KV Rao, they all came.

He will get jobs for 10 people.

He trusted me and with his trust,

he brought all of them and gave me an introduction in India. He gave me a recognition. So, in my life, I mean, how much the parents played a key role, up to a stage of my life, so, for business, I gave jobs to four of them, to build an ecosystem,

for the company, definitely such a launch is very important. Not launch, if he feels the support of youngsters like me, I have been watching him closely for 6-7 years Vamsi. To him, the gate in his house,

whoever goes to any small help, I have never seen anyone say has said no and sent them back. So, I learned from him in particular, he always tells me three things persistently. One, this society has gone to materialistic interests, our children or families or anyone,

if you are sitting at home earning a rupee why are you sitting at home? you have to earn something, right? from there it started and there are people who make relationships

saying that we have money and we will use it tomorrow if you don't have that money you if you look at the other side, you will ask for help this is a world that runs away remember, money should be careful.

Number two. Another important point in our life is that the day we think too much about ourselves, struggles start for us. So, wherever we go, what are our roots,

how grounded we should be is important. Never forget that. He says this compulsorily. He keeps telling me. So, those are some... And, trust is one thing.

The people who work with you should trust you. Remember this in business. If they don't trust you, they won't own you. Your problems, in business, there will always be ups and downs.

But, when you are down, and the company is not doing good, when they stay with you, you should trust them. They should feel you.

Correct.

These three are very important parameters. I am telling you, remember them. Definitely, you should grow to a better position, and become useful to 10 people. That is my wish.

So, remember these three things. I keep saying this persistently. Those who believe in us and guide us by saying good things, even today...

Some days,

it's enough to have a person to pat on the back.

Yeah.

So, definitely, it's very much important. The sir I told you about, because he has that mindset, he evolved like me. Hmm. He's not much important. The sir I was talking about, because he was in that mindset, people like me evolved.

Hmm.

People like me...

Because you don't have that chance.

Yes.

Now, I also... the way he evolved to be a pillar for people like me, I want to be like that for some other youngsters.

Hmm.

So, I want to set up an incubation centre,

and...

and... bring in good young talent. Oh, you have a plan?

Yeah, definitely.

I am there with you in that.

Yeah, definitely. I want to implement the projects I am doing now and make public listing of at least half a billion value in US and half a billion value in India companies. Then some part of my financial cash flows, I want to spend for supporting and encouraging the young talent with a startup hub. Amazing bro.

Healthcare and technology side.

I am very much excited.

Very much excited.

I don't know about this side. It's an interesting side. Definitely. And I saw another interesting segment in your journal. There are some articles. In 5 days court, government fund, I mean, they gave political funding, I guess, electoral

bonds or something. There are some articles, in the 5th district court, government fund, I mean, they gave political funding, like electoral bonds, I mean, I saw an article, that you will get MP seat, what is that journey? Why did you go to politics? Was it really correct?

Or what happened there? Yeah, I think, basically, we didn't go to politics with any intention. Yeah, definitely, the articles you saw are very true and genuine.

They gave you money? Yes, we supported them. How much did they give? I don't have the numbers. I saw 3-4 articles. Some had 5 crores, some had 10 crores, some had 18 crores.

It depends on the information they set. Some of them are true. Yes, definitely there is truth. Yeah, there was a slight deviation in life.

Is it?

Yeah.

So you regret it?

No regrets. Is it? Yeah, yeah. So, as I said, there was a slight deviation in life, not taking it as a journey.

At that time, there was a need. We thought, when the opportunity came, we thought we should pursue it. You gave money for TDP, right? Yes. Don't mind me asking this.

Sometimes, you say, you get some work, under the table, bribes, right? Is it like that? No, no, no. Not like that. It's all about my interest.

Yeah, there is. Yeah, yeah. So, that's how, like, I also, I mean, Yeah, yeah. I mean, what do we have?

We don't have anything clients to grow our organizations and earn money. Plus, we don't have that much money to lose.

For the funding to the party. When we do it to the party, they will notify. Have you ever talked about this with the CM?

What did he say? I mean, It's nothing like that. After the government came. After coming here, till now, nothing has happened. No, we didn't have such intentions. Only, just for my self-satisfaction and gratitude, we did it. But eventually, I mean, there were discussions at one time, maybe, if it gets spoiled, MP or something.

I think I understood that now. You thought so, sorry, we discussed if there is any interest, but it didn't, went in that way. I mean, in the last minute, at that time, I had to compulsorily allocate seats to the best candidates.

The whole picture has changed, right?

BJP alliance, social equations. But one way, it's good for me. Because...

Is it not costly for you?

No, it's not like that. I didn't contribute for the seat.

So, there's no link?

No link.

Maybe, really, I didn't contribute for the sake of the seat. So, there is no link.

Maybe, if I really came into politics and if I really believe that I am contributing in policy driven decision making in healthcare, maybe I will rethink after a decade. Not immediately or something like that. And now that we have come to the topic, just coming out of this topic, in the growth aspect, focusing on your business scale, if we think about it,

what is your personal vision? Where are you looking at your... Not just your business, in this industry, what is your vision? After COVID, healthcare awareness and consciousness

has increased a lot across the world. So, now everything is preventive, prediction and personalization. Like before, if a disease comes, we go to the doctor immediately. They prescribe some tests.

We see the deviations in the reports and give them the medicines to carry. This has all changed. This is all traditional practice. Going forward, data driven. Already existing yoga diagnostics in B2B segment. So we are expanding across India. So, along with this MysteryYoda healthcare platform,

B2B business also, we will enter into whichever states, we will expand both of them sequentially. And then, recently, Preventive Wellness launches. Okay.

As I said.

Preventive Wellness launches.

Launches. After said After coming here, instead of getting disturbed, within 2 hours, your whole body, all organs will be covered, including future risk

in 120 minutes, we will put your report in your hand which organs are at risk where you should be careful? What are the test types you should frequently do?

We are not just introducing a report, but we are introducing a ring like this. Your data will be in that ring. The physical activity data from that ring and the report data from the tests Both together will give you day to day insights

or lifestyle habits

or observations so launch means is it a place where someone can come there?

like a centre?

yeah definitely it's a launch generally how diagnostic centres are we walk in for health packages or we take some test packages and sell them at the centre

some of them get covered, some are not it is like a half-cooked piece this is the throat of your body auditory related, hearing, oral health, cardiac health, liver, all body organs are covered complete audit of the body. So, from that, the bots we build, or the physical activity data from the ring, will take it and provide you with time to time insights.

So, yearly, at least once. Once you walk in there, you will have a very 5 star luxury lounge kind of feel. So, within 120 minutes, first of its kind, in 120 minutes,

along with your whole body check, you can keep the report in your hand, finish the report consultation and you can walk out of the premise.

Has it started now?

I think we are running a pilot model in Madhapur location and we are planning to expand at least... It is ready now, it is functioning. Yeah, it is functioning. What is the cost at 120 minutes? I think it is 15,000 rupees. We are thinking of taking it even less.

In 15,000 rupees, you are getting every test done. Every test.

Including your hearing and...

Oral health. You don't need to go to the dental place again. You don't need to go to the ENT for doing your ENT checkup. Retina, oral, ear, all body organs, all vital organs. And including your hormones, including your vitamins. And then we are giving a one-time sign up of this kind of ring,

where this...

So are you selling the rings there?

Yeah, we'll... at a very nominal cost. It hasn't started yet.

Yeah.

We want to include this whole concept into as a bundle. So cost-effective model.

Very interesting.

Yeah.

So first of it's kind of a bundle. So, cost-effective model. Very interesting. So, first of its kind of a model. So, I think, definitely we are going into... I didn't expect that there will be a launch in healthcare. Yeah, that too diagnostics area.

Interesting.

Maybe in hospitals, corporate hospitals, they give high net worth individuals platinum cards, so they get separate entries. Yes. They don't give separate entries. Yes, yes. International tourism is not given separately. Yes, it is like that.

But in diagnostics, it is first of its kind. So, this AI adoption plus preventive wellness adoption, I think, first of its kind model. I think we are planning at least 40 to 50 locations across India for the next two years. In this scaling journey,

generally, family time or friends time, it's very common, we miss it. Emotionally or physically we will not be there present with them, in their achievements,

with the kids or family. What is your family support or friend support in your life? Yeah, definitely. See, mentorship is one thing,

as I said earlier, it plays a crucial role in the business side of the aspect. Sometimes we forget the balance and deviate. So, that happened in my journey as well. So, mentorship is important, one thing, to balance our lifestyle. For emotional support, definitely family.

In that, the major role, my mother plays a key role from the start. So, my mother is like, you know, her strength and her curse also. How did the business journey start? It started in a very small emotional aspect. I had to start a business,

earn money, or create employment. You didn't have any business before, right? No.

First generation, you.

When I went to America to study, I had to go and study in a college. But my distant relatives, my cousins, live in Washington DC. I didn't know that they already support admissions to some universities.

So, when they got interested in me and found out that I was coming to America, they thought that I was new and wanted to support me. I thought that they were learning something in the family relations structure. But I didn't understand why they were calling me. What I understood after going there was that

they had enrolled some universities for admissions. They forcefully ask them to study there. Because they get some commission out of it. So, I didn't understand anything until I went there. After going there, I can't say no to them anymore.

In the college admissions they have, if they have any monetary benefit, if I ask them to study there, I transferred and studied there.

During my studies, they had businesses, so I used to take care of them.

When I went to college, they had businesses that were supportive.

So, the loan I took, the education loan, was over.

There was still some part of education.

I was supporting them at that time, so I expected that they would help me financially. So, they didn't help me. Because their situation was not good. Then they told me to find a job outside. Then you pay your tuition fee. Then I voluntarily... Luckily, there were more jobs and technology.

I learned some technology. I called Amir call the coaching centers in Hyderabad, and get some technology. We don't know how to code, that's why we have a pharmacy background. We have to find and touch the keys in the keypad. We are not into IT.

So, we learn the technology without does not require coding, learned it, got a job and are working now. In 6 months of education, we have the scope to work there. Right. So, we started working. We paid our tuition fee pending. After that, there is some time to apply for a work permit.

2-3 months is the approval time. Then, they will ask me to leave the job and work for them again. They will ask me to leave the job and support them again. Because, at that time, I don't have the obligation to pay my fees. We don't have good conditions at home, we get an annual our yearly income.

Obviously, we had to start our career there, but we had to pay the dues of our parents.

Right, right.

So, we had that pressure, and my sister was also suffering from health issues. So, my mother was in a peak stressful stage. They were pressuring me to quit my job. I told them that I wanted to continue my job. I told my brother-in-law.

I can't quit my job now. I have to send some assistance to India financially. My sister is suffering from health issues. I will continue my job. The next day, he called me and told me that there is a manager in his office He told me that I used extra data for a phone that has my name on it

I got an extra bill of 40 dollars

Too much

He called me to change it to your name All the money I invested in it is gone? Yes, all the money you spent on it? Yes, I lost all the time I spent on it. I was thinking, I have sacrificed so much for them, I should make money, I should maintain relationships, how to make money,

You should maintain both. I should maintain both and show them how to do it. That's when it started. I thought, no, we should do business. You should take revenge. No, we have to do business. It was a kind of revenge. Definitely, it was a revenge.

But, those instances definitely helped me a lot. Those learning stages were not mine. It was forming like steps. At that time, my mother was there to take that decision. I had to come out of that. Only when I came, I continued that house. Only if I come out of that house, I can continue my job

and financially support my family. Only then I will be okay. Correct. If not, then nothing. So, my mother called me and said,

I made my sister study here, she is also at home with health issues. Your father is not well supported. You started a job. at least you sent me, I expect you to pay me for your loan installment, right? If you don't do this, you too come.

I will give you another bowl, I will give you that much, eat. After that, I didn't talk to my mother for 6 years, Vamsi. Because... I can feel you. Because she is uneducated.

Because... When her sister got settled, she was at home with health issues.

What did you do after that?

Yeah. Father. He is uneducated. Farming income. If we can't pay our loans, they... Villagers have sentiments.

So, in a situation where we can't support them, I took that decision. They said, you got a bill of $40.

Too much.

I woke up at 7 am in the morning, packed the boxes that were left overnight, ate the same lunch, worked till 8 pm, and worked the whole day, while I was not at college. They told me to go and get when I could pay the fees.

When the earnings started, they asked me to pay some fees and send some money home, and when I got loan installments, they asked me to quit my job. A lot of emotional distress started.

Today, you are in this state,

but you will be in that state in the future. Obviously, right?

Yeah.

Obviously, that is where I should start a business, I should grow financially, I should create employment. At the same time, I should maintain relationships. So, that's my strength. How to maintain relationships.

Now, looking at your success, what did your mother feel? If you are talking to me, can I properly express it now? So… Your sister's mother says that, right? Usually, that's it.

I have seen your mother's podcast. I've seen it. My mother is like that.

She always follows up on me. When did he come?

He's coming to India. He's going to India. She follows up on me. If something happens, she'll be like, but we never really talk about it. She's always like,

I'm going to India. I'm going to India. I'm going to India, right? She follows up on all this. If he's caught, he's caught, right? But we never share emotional.

There is such an emotional bonding. We never express. That type of culture. Right, right. Definitely, that's a different emotion altogether.

I can't explain it.

Yeah, definitely. Friends definitely. Friends definitely, family, wife, kids. I don't give them a lot of time. So, there will always be that distress. It's inevitable.

You can't do anything about it.

You have to balance it. So, that is one important aspect. I have started working on autism, particularly on that project. For every businessman or entrepreneur, no matter how stressful it is, family time and some time with kids is mandatory.

Very true. I have also taken it as a New Year promise.

Is it?

At least, I have to spend at least an hour with them every day. You have benefited from this recently. Yeah, definitely. This has also benefited. Because, that emotional support is required. When we have kids, we should give them some time.

They come because of that. Because we don't give them family time, these outcomes. Some food, some environmental, our food habits, lifestyle habits, stress, these materialistic attractions. One person sees that he has a car, we have a car. He has a flight, each other's flight,

each other's trips, we can support each other and maintain our lifestyle.

Hmm.

For the last 2-3 years,

yeah.

technical details, it's a very fascinating topic. Definitely we'll sit again. We'll have another conversation very soon. Definitely. All the very best for your future.

I find your plans very interesting. So, I'll come and see your pilot project. Sure, definitely, Vamsi. You are always welcome. Absolutely. Thank you very much for your time, bro. Thank you.

Thanks a lot.

Thank you. Thank you.

Thanks.