Visibly Frustrated CBC Hosts Rail Against Mark Carney's Pipeline Deal - Warn Of Liberal Schism

The Prime Minister has perhaps not done what they expected him to do.And I think that's something that some Liberal MPs that I'm talking to have certainly questions about.You know, who is this guy?And is this really what he promised to do?

Mark Carney's pipeline announcement is sending shockwaves through the Liberal ecosystem.And now even CBC commentators are openly questioning what his government actually stands for.In multiple interviews, Liberal MPs are described as unsettled, climate targets are being openly questioned, speculation is growing whether Stephen Jobo will even remain in caucus, and Rosemary Barton even asks whether Carney's own MPs understand quote -unquote who this guy is anymore.

Let's take a look.Look, I get that circumstances have changed, and you were never going to get Daniel Smith on board with the plan as it existed, or Scott Moe, and even Doug Ford in Ontario.There was a lot of pushback and fighting with provinces.And industry didn't like it, and they were finding ways to lower the effective price to a point where it wasn't going to work.But you, so you've responded to that reality, but we've got no adjustment on emissions profiling, dates for targets.You know, if we can know the price and the stringency going up to 2040, where's the modeling on what this means for emissions?

So the first piece is to say that we do provide emissions reductions plan progress reports.And so all of that modeling goes into it.But when we look at things like even just yesterday was a clean electricity strategy and what we announced, what we announced is effectively to double the electricity grid, to do it in a way that's affordable for Canadians.And that's really important for Canadians as they look at their energy wallet right now.And it also talks about how do we get to a net zero grid by 2050.We need that stronger grid so that we can electrify electrify our economy, so we can electrify our industry.

our transport, our buildings, and all of that is a much larger source of emissions in our country.So we're actually putting in the bones, if I would say, that we can actually build on to make it happen.

But the commitment to 2050 wasn't a net -zero grid, it was a net -zero economy, and that is not going to happen now, right?

We still are fully committed to our Paris target agreements, so we are still working.I was talking about the electricity grid is No, I understand that the grid but To get to the net zero, the reason why we want to double the grid, the reason that we want to actually make sure that we're getting a net zero grid is because it helps us to electrify the rest of the economy.So if you talk about like 50 megatons come from our electricity grid right now, but about 500 megatons comes from industry transport and buildings.If we can actually electrify, and that's what we need to do, that's what's happening around the world, that's actually how we move it to reduce our emissions.

but you, you keep saying that you're committed to the Paris targets.Um, you know, I can say I'm committed to a diet and a fitness plan, but if I skip the gym and I binge eat at a buffet, I'm not doing the job, right?You keep adopting policies that all the climate experts say will make those targets impossible to hit.So how can you be committed to something if you're making these changes?I mean, there's a, you're, you're, you've decided to make a trade -off for affordability reasons, for economic reasons, because of the trade disruptions.I get all of that.

Why can't you just spell out to Canadians what that means for the path on the climate front?

Isn't it interesting that when it comes to, you know, Donald Trump, and when it comes to the Davos speech, and when it comes to his campaign promises, CBC has virtually no interest in holding Mark Carney to account.They're more interested in holding the opposition and Pierre Poglietto to account.But when it comes to things like climate change and the environment, that seems to be where their line is drawn.Because I don't think I've seen David Cochran hold a Liberal's feet to the fire like this in a very long time, if ever.So he's finally calling out what Conservatives have been screaming about for the last year, year and a half.That Mark Carney is not the guy he says he is.

He's really not.And I'm glad CBC may be starting to wake up to this fact, in that he doesn't care about you, he doesn't care about Canadians, he doesn't care about anybody but himself.His whole invest in Canada mantra.Why are all your investments in the United States?Virtually all of them.Clearly he doesn't believe in the Canadian economy, he believes in the United States economy, under Donald Trump.

Otherwise, why would he have done that?Canadians want to know.And the other thing is that Mark Carney has been flip -flopping on virtually every single thing that he said.And Pierre Polyev has been calling this out for months, as well as the rest of his caucus.So he says one thing, and then when it's convenient, he does another.So it's funny because some of the pundits will say, well, you know, he's trying to distinguish himself from Justin Trudeau.

I think he's aligning himself to Justin Trudeau.Because Justin Trudeau, We'd go into one room and say one thing to one group of people to try and make them feel good about him, and then we'd go into another room and say almost the completely opposite thing, because that talking point at that particular time is popular with that group.Contrast that to Pierre Polyev who he stands on principle, stands on what he says, and it doesn't matter who he's talking to.He maintains consistency.So who's the one that's actually telling Canadians the truth about what they actually believe and what their plan is for this country?

Surely you've done modeling on what this means.Like, I can't imagine you would reform the policy framework without running the numbers on the consequences on the climate side.So when do we see that?Why wasn't that released today to show the trade -offs that you're willing to make on this?

First of all, I'll go back to this entire MOU covers much more than the industrial carbon price, but I do think that that's a piece of the success.It also includes, like I said, leveling the playing field for renewables, a commitment to how they improve their grid so that it's a net zero grid by 2050.plus interties with neighboring provinces, plus methane and actually enhancing the methane regulations and how it applies.So there are a lot of different parts to this agreement, but we do put out an Emissions Reductions Plan progress report regularly.And so with the next one, all of that modeling, because it's not just one piece, it's all of the pieces together.And that's what we'll put forward because we have the auto strategy that we've put out.

We have this industrial carbon pricing system that we've been working on.We have our electricity strategy.We have many pieces that have been coming together.That's what we put out when we put out our emissions reduction plan.

But Minister, with due respect, yesterday, The Prime Minister said if this electrification strategy will reduce emissions by this specific number.Today, nobody will give us a number on what this means for the emissions profile of the country.How can you do it on something when it's a reduction but not offer the same clarity on something that a lot of people say is going to mean an increase?

Right.Well, what we're working on and what we've seenis that we're confident that this system is a strengthened industrial carbon pricing system and part of a larger agreement that also works to reduce emissions across our country.

Ladies and gentlemen, we're still talking net zero as much as Mark Carney wants to try and get away from it.But this is the issue.He keeps muddying the waters of what he's kind of trying to do here.And the fascinating thing is they admit, they admit, okay, well, Alberta is the most polluting province.I'm not sure I would agree with that.They're probably just trying to throw that out there in terms of the oil sands being out there.

But hello, you're openly admitting that, okay, well, you know, we have to go over the, go after the allegedly most polluting province, while completely ignoring the geopolitical aspect of emissions, if you really want to try and measure it that way.And we've been talking about this ad nauseum, you already know what I'm going to say.Canada accounts for about 1 .6 % of global emissions.China, China accounts for over, over 20%.And they increase their global emissions by Canada's annual global emissions every single year.So what is the point?

of trying to bankrupt this country into quote unquote net zero when China just eats it up in one year.They admit that they understand this.So what's the real issue?Well, the real issue sounds like net zero being tied to Mark Carney's investments down in the United States that may have a may have an impact up here.Because again, we know and we have Mark Carney on record saying that the best way to get rich is to influence policy.Well, what's the best way to influence policy if you're literally the prime minister in charge of that country?

And with every single policy decision, we see more and more and more and more impacts of Mark Carney's decisions on his investments, right?But this is the funny thing.As much as they're talking net zero, they also don't seem to really give a damn about even proving that they're even going to get there.Which means that their whole motivation for their climate plan completely falls apart.And that's where David Cochran gets frustrated because he's like, well, there is no plan.You haven't even shown us this muddling on how you're going to get there.

So it shows how much of an environmental fanatic that David Cochran is. because he's calling this out, the environmentalists are calling this out, the environmental groups are calling this out, Stephen Jobo's calling this out, despite the fact that Mark Carney and his liberals are trying to engage in 1984 double -think on steroids by saying, hey, look, we care about the environment while we're introducing a pipeline, while we're keeping the industrial carbon tax, while we don't really care about it.it all kind of jumbles together and it's intended on making people's brains short circuit so you don't even think about it anymore because it's two completely diametrically opposed ideas coming in to direct conflict with each other, but they're trying to say that they'redoing both at the same time.And this is not having the effect that Mark Carney probably thinks it will or wants it will on his own caucus.

By July 1st, Alberta says it will submit a proposal to the Major Projects Office.Then, the federal government will work to get the pipeline designated as a project of national interest under the Building Canada Act by October 1st.And if that all goes according to plan, shovels could be in the ground by September of 2027.But a major condition in this plan is a new carbon capture project, the Pathways Project, that needs to be in operation by 2035.And of course, Alberta also needs to find a private sector proponent for this pipeline.

You know, as well as those conditions, the things that have to happen for the pipeline to get built, I think there's all sorts of challenges, other political challenges that have opened up here.And I presume the Prime Minister has thought of them, but I'm not sure how they are going to be resolved.David Eby did not mince words in that statement.No, he did not.And I would say that that statement might be shared by people in Quebec, too, who believe that, which is where the Prime Minister has most of his power base, his political power base, who believe that the prime minister is kind of bending over backwards for a premier who has asked for a lot of things and is getting them in a very short timeline.What does that mean, then, for the rest of the premiers?

How much does he have to try and placate them, including David Eby and others, who now say, okay, you've shown cooperative federalism works for Alberta because you're worried about them staying in the country.What about the rest of us?And I'm not sure that I know how that's going to unfold in the months ahead.

Yeah, I mean, just with the trade -off they've made on industrial carbon pricing, letting Alberta move to a much lower benchmark than anybody plan that any liberal government had ever presented is quite a compromise.Now, the trade -off that the Prime Minister argues is that this is a proper carbon market.A lot of the off -ramps, the exemptions and the loopholes, they go away so you actually pay the proper price.But it is less ambitious and lower than where people like British Columbia or provinces like British Columbia are going, so that they just rewrite the national climate policy with only Daniel Smith at the table, you know, and not the other premiers because they may all exercise a me too clause on this.

Yeah, and I think that the government expects that, I talked to Dominic LeBlanc today, I think the government expects people, provinces to show up and say I want this deal as well when it comes to industrial pricing and they will get it.Quebec is an exception as well because it's got its own cap and trade market.But what I found interesting about the way the Prime Minister presented this is to say This is not just goals that we're going to talk about.This is a legal framework where you can see that Alberta has not only committed to a higher industrial price than it has right now, but it's also committed to net zero by 2050.So he obviously believes that he is getting something in return here that was not really on the table before when it comes to Alberta.I think it remains to be seen, though, too, David, how that unfolds inside his party.

Yes.

There was a briefing for MPs last night.For all MPs, there were a lot of questions, many of which you asked the minister, Minister de Bruges, and there were no answers for MPs at that briefing either, in terms of what happens to the emissions.There was a climate caucus meeting that was supposed to happen today, where some of the people who are really worried about what happens to climate change were going to have a conversation about what this means for them.I don't know that anyone will go so far as what we saw Stephen Gilbo do when he left cabinet around this very deal.And with a majority government comes a caucus, I think, that feels a little bit more empowered to speak up if they feel that the prime minister has perhaps not done what they expected him to do.And I think that's something that's important.

Liberal MPs that I'm talking to have certainly questions about, you know, who is this guy?And is this really what he promised to do?

Well, Rosemary, welcome to the rest of Canada, because Canada is asking the same question.Even some Liberal swing voters have been asking this question for a few months now.Who are you?Because this isn't the Mark Carney that advertised himself as the banker, financial, economic genius that was going to get a deal with Donald Trump, that was going to save this economy, that was going to bring more jobs, that was going to lower grocery prices.None of that is coming to fruition.So voters are starting to ask that question.

What's going on here?And this is fascinating because we had talked about this way back when Daniel Smith had made this deal initially with Mark Carney.and that there's going to be a schism forming in the Liberal cabinet.And we're starting to see it start.It's coming.It's coming and it's coming in a hurry.

So you have Mark Carney operating as the CEO of Canada.And we've talked about this as well, where he doesn't like having to get people's permission.He doesn't like having to discuss things with people.So what he's ended up doing and We've gotten reporting from this by both CBC Anglo and Mail in the past, where he has this very, very small inner circle that he makes all of the policy decisions about, doesn't even discuss it with cabinet, and then ends up making these decisions and not really taking questions from anybody because he doesn't think that he should actually answer questions from anybody.This is what's happening.Do what you're told.

But that's not how politics works.And this is where Mark Carney is going to have trouble, especiallywithin his own caucus, as we see Rosemary Barton talking about it right now.And it's funny hearing it come from Rosemary.

But the argument we heard from the Prime Minister today, and he'll have to make this to his caucus is that, okay, maybe this doesn't align with the past plan with the past targets.But those were never going to happen just based on the fights with provinces, the disagreement from industry, or it was going to happen and kill the economy.His argument today was these targets or where this goes is achievable, it's realistic, it's enforceable, and it will happen.We'll see.

So now we have David Cochran saying to Rosemary that, hey, all the Trudeau stuff and all these promises that they said that they were going to hit and these targets that they said they were going to hit, well, it was never going to happen anyway.How many months did we have to listen, or people that actually did listen to them, how many months did we have to sit back and listen to them say this stuff, that it was never going to happen?We knew it was never going to happen.We knew it was never going to happen, especially with the consumer carbon tax, because they're trying to say, well, you know, the consumer carbon tax, you know, accounts for, you know, 30 % emissions or whatever it was.I don't even remember.So don't quote me on that.

But the fact was, is that it came out that the agency didn't even have a means of measuring the impact of the consumer carbon tax.on our alleged admissions.All it was is people were admitting the same because they still had to go to work, they still had to drive around, they still had to go and get groceries.Especially all the people in rural Canada, rural Ontario, Newfoundland, Labrador, all the eastern provinces, the northern provinces, like everywhere.Hello!Canada is by far a rural country.

It's big.That's why when all these climate people and all these environmentalists talk aboutnet zero and they talk about electrifying our economy and electrifying our grid and electrifying our auto industry, a lot of Canadians look at each other and say, huh?Have you been to anywhere outside of a city in this country?I came from the country, lived there for 20 years.So, you know, I understand as well as most of the other rural Canadians, it doesn't work.

You cannot do what you're trying to do in Canada.And why are we worrying about it?when Canada only accounts for 1 .6 % of these emissions that they keep talking about.But this is the chaos that is erupting on the left and now in mainstream media.Nobody knows what to do.Nobody knows what the heck Mark Carney even stands for anymore.

And when you don't even know what he stands for, how do you know where he's going?How do you trust what he says when he says one thing one day, one thing another day, and expect everyone to just go, uh -huh, yep.People keep asking us, justifiably so, when are Canadians going to wake up?And our estimate is about a year, about a year from now.Because when there either is no deal or there is a worse deal from Kusma, when grocery prices are even higher than they are now, when fuel is even higher than it is now, when your bank account is even more depleted, if that's possible, than it is now, when the mortgage crisis, which is happening right now, ends up causing thousands or tens of thousands of Canadians to go bankrupt, Canadians will have no choice and even more importantly, Mark.Carney will have absolutely no choice and no one to blame but himself.