Warm Milk, Foot Rubs, and White Claws: ALL The Texts Between Mackenzie & Dad

Sometimes shutting up is the best answer.And I say this with full irony, just ironically, as someone who posts hours and hours of footage every week of herself yapping to no end.But sometimes, yes, the answer is being quiet.The answer is no answer.The answer is in staying silent.It's probably the reason why so many defense attorneys spend a great deal of energy convincing their client of everything that they could mess up if they testify on the stand at their own trial.

A lot of defense attorneys believe that how the person comes across to the jury is arguably way more important than what they actually testify to.Which is why more often than not, it's not worth it in most cases for clients to testify.I mean, I guess it's just a thing humans do.You would think that, no, when you're on the jury for a major case, you want to make sure that you're just listening to the judge.But once someone involved starts yapping, it becomes less about the facts and more about, do I like this person?Do they seem trustworthy?

I don't know if they do.In 17 -year -old Mackenzie Shavilla's case, she does not testify.July 31st, 2022, 17 -year -old Mackenzie crashes a car going nearly 100 miles per hour straight into a brick building.Her boyfriend Dom in the front passenger seat is killed.Their friend Davion in the back seat is killed.And the only survivor is Mackenzie.

And she is now a convicted murderer.She didn't testify during her murder trial, although I will say it wasn't a jury trial.She opted for a bench trial, meaning it's the judge that's going to be determining if her testimony is trustworthy.But even after being convicted, Mackenzie and her parents do not believe she's a murder.They think that this is an accident.All three of them, Mackenzie and her parents, Natalie and Steve, they sit down with Netflix for the very viral documentary, The Crash.

They try to explain their side and the reaction is probably not what they were hoping for.The reaction that they received to this whole thing of yapping on Netflix ranges anywhere from, oh my God, I hate you.What's wrong with his shirt?All the way to people spreading rumors that they think Mackenzie and her dad have an inappropriate relationship that was happening in odd hours of the night.Steve Shurilla, the dad, even gets placed on leave from his job.He's an art teacher at a Catholic school because of the comments that he makes on the Netflix documentary.

And one might think that it would be probably be in everyone's best interest for Natalie and Steve to let things quiet down after this Netflix documentary goes live, after Steve loses his job, because maybe just shut up for a second, right?But no, they do not.They want to keep, quote, clearing the air.They want to keep sharing their side of things.And every time they open their mouths, it feels like they're just making it worse.Since the release of the Netflix documentary, Steve Schirrilla has done a few sit -down interviews and it's just the point that he's trying to make doesn't feel like it's being made on a large scale.

People just seem to hate him more.Steve passionately rants in a more recent interview, there was no evidence to support the charges.There's none.There was none.The prosecution came up with that.She's a danger to society, blah, blah, blah.

And there was no proof of that.You know, they said she has no remorse.They never spoke to her.Which, I mean, I guess sure, but one could also argue that taking photos and videos getting high in her car, likely driving, that's very dangerous to society considering she also just did kill people in a car crash.And as for the no remorse, she did go to a Kid Cudi concert in a wheelchair and dressed up for Halloween and went out in a ripped corseted outfit with corpse -like makeup.So I don't know if they necessarily have to talk to her to gather in their opinion that she has no remorse.

But Chris Cuomo, who is the one interviewing Steve, tries to ask him about, well, you know, I mean, maybe the no remorse part comes from all the DMs and like the social media posts.Like what?What about that?Steve goes from being very loud, very aggressive to a little bit more aggressive.That was something that was involved prior.Because remember she was like talking to the modeling agency?

He's like, but that was something that was involved prior.Some of that is taken out of context, is blown out of proportion.What, is she supposed to dig a hole and just hide in the hole for the rest of her life after this?Chris Cuomo fights back.No, but it was right after.Well, what does that mean?

What does that mean?So now she's not allowed to live?She's lucky to be alive.He says Mackenzie still doesn't remember what happened in that car crash.He says she does not remember.That has been her story from day one.

There's no memory of it.And I'm telling you, I know my daughter does not like pain.She would never, ever hurt herself intentionally.I know my daughter.I've known that kid all her life.I know when my daughter lies.

I just know my daughter.People don't really see that as a spectacular defense.He just seems to think it is.How can you know your daughter when he himself admits that he didn't know about the driving and smoking weed videos and photos?So like, how well do you really know your daughter?As for what happened in the car, he says, I'm not saying pots is the reason for it.

I'm not saying the car had an issue.I'm not saying the boys did anything.

I don't know.I have no idea what happened in that car.And if I don't have any idea, nobody does.

Okay, I feel like we all have an idea why she turned out the way she did.

But he doesn't.

Just by this interview.

And he says the analogy about how Mackenzie was found guilty, and he's saying this all after the fact.He's saying the analogy is, the wife dies, the husband did it.That's it.That's the analogy that's going on here.There's no evidence of why it happened.There's no evidence of why.

There will never be any evidence of why.And that's the point that needs to be taken here.The black box information is about the car.I can't explain the acceleration.I can't explain why the pedal was down.Could it have been the slippers stuck on the pedal?

That they refuted.Could it have been the car?Yeah, it's just as likely as she did it on purpose.And there's no evidence of purpose.And speeding is not a precursor to murder.It's not.

I'm sorry.It's recklessness.It's reckless.That's why it should have been vehicular homicide in juvenile court.He says if it's just the black box information that made his daughter guilty in the court of law, then quote the black box information.Then the car did this.

The car did it.Put the car in jail.

If you got the car did this, the car did it.Put the car in jail.

We have no evidence of why.And you can't just say, well, the science says she was going fast.So that's intent.That is absolute BS.There seems to be a very interesting explanation for just about everything that people have been pointing out on the internet.People are saying that Mackenzie was a bully in school.

I mean, there are multiple school reports in the FOIA requests that don't necessarily depict Mackenzie in a great light.One teacher literally told administration that she couldn't handle being verbally assaulted by Mackenzie anymore.And Steve's reaction is, well...I can't explain it.Look, was she an angel?No.

Did she have a problem with authority?Sometimes.I believe when she felt she was being unjustly treated, she stuck up for herself.That's the simple fact.They say that the trial was unfair, and they think that Mackenzie's lawyer did not represent her fairly, and they, at the time, didn't know any better.Steve says, you know, are we bad parents?

No.Are we uninformed parents of a child that was on trial for murder?Yeah.As for his parenting and how Mackenzie grew up, he says there was not a problem with her until this accident and how it got blown out of proportion and how everything now is so blown out of proportion.Steve starts rambling more or less about whether or not Dom's mom knew the judge and if they had any sort of working relationship, which I will say the judge and Dom's mom and Dom himself, they all share the same last name, Russo, but it's not a particularly unique last name and they are not related.But when Steve is asked whether or not he has proof that there's some sort of fix going on in court because

he keeps alluding to some sort of fix that must have happened, Steve says, I have as much proof that it's a fix and that the judge is dirty or incompetent as they do that my daughter did this on purpose.All I have to do is say it.So it's true, right?That's what the prosecution did.Steve ultimately believes, quote, I'm sorry, no lawyer, no person is ever going to make me believe that my daughter did this on purpose.And that's probably like the only statement of his that I truly believe.

What do you mean?

No one's going to convince him that his daughter did this on purpose.But the two parts of his most recent interviews that have been going viral is there's this one part in the interview where he's talking to Chris Cuomo and he's just talking about how he thinks that the judge is biased and he's just throwing all these allegations out there.And there's this very light, airy voice coming from the side because this is a video Zoom recording, like a Zoom interview.And it's like, I'm a buff baby that can dance like a man. I can shake.I'm a fancy.I can shake my can.

And it's like the most uncomfortable, weird, bizarre, Chris Cuomo looks stern and he asks, what is that?It's my phone.It's a phone ring.That's your ringtone?It's for a friend of mine.So the ringtone is from a show called Adventure Time.

It's like a cartoon.And it, I mean, there's nothing nefarious about it, but it just adds to the weirdness of like, I've seen a lot of memes online now where they just say the whole family jail.The whole family jail.They just don't get good vibes.

Is it a children's thing or children's cartoon?

I think it's an adult cartoon if I'm not mistaken.But I think the choice of that in a ringtone is very bizarre.Exactly.At that age.

Yeah.

This whole interview is probably the reason why defense attorneys, not that Steve needs a defense attorney.That's not what I'm saying.but a loose example of probably why defense attorneys don't necessarily think involved parties speaking for themselves is ever helpful in any situation.The whole interview is a dumpster fire.Steve starts running through hypotheticals.He's like, what if we can prove that her pots caused her to pass out and she seized and it caused the accident?

Which like there's already so much wrong with that statement, because typically when you pass out from pots, typically it's not a seizure.You don't seize.You pass out you go limp Chris Cuomo who was an attorney before he is like a journalist newscaster, right?But he quickly responds then it would be an accident What if we can prove that either one boy or the other boy did something in the car that caused the accident?Then she would not have the intent and maybe not the act to trigger a charge.What if we could prove the car malfunctioned?

Then it was an accident and maybe there's a case against the manufacturer.It just seems like every single point Steve tries to make, nothing really comes of it.It just feels a lot like angry ranting.He'll say some crazy things like, just because you don't like my daughter, doesn't mean she's guilty of murder.Just because you don't like what you see on the internet about my daughter, Doesn't mean it's murder.That's speculation.

That is reckless speculation on anybody's part just because you don't like my daughter doesn't mean she's guilty of murder and I think And to agree with that, like technically the points he's making make sense.Just because you don't like somebody doesn't mean they're guilty of murder, but it's the fact that your daughter Mackenzie is convicted of murder that makes her guilty of murder.She is guilty of murder.That is a statement of fact in the court of law.She has been found guilty.That is not speculation.

That's not even reckless speculation.It's literally a matter of public record.Otherwise you could have a field day suing everyone for defamation.Chris Cuomo goes to ask about Mackenzie and Dom's volatile relationship and I think this is the point in the interview where I realized there's no coming back for this person.Like there is nothing that he can say I think would convince me or maybe people who feellike me to even open their minds to the idea that Steve might be on to something because he's just so far off the pulse.

There's this moment where Chris Cuomo brings up the relationship and Steve ducks his head and he starts laughing because Chris Cuomo categorizes Dom and Mackenzie's relationship as volatile.Steve starts laughing.That's a lie.And I cut you off.Sorry.That is a lie.

That's a lie.

That's a lie.I'm going to cut you off.Sorry.I got to cut you off.That's a lie.

That's a lie.Volatile is not the right word.That is harsh.These kids fought and they broke up and they got back together.That was their MO.They weren't fighting.

This wasn't a volatile relationship.They were never going to break up.They were talking about getting married.They were talking about a life.They were buying furniture for that house.They were making a life for themselves.

Period.That's it.They were not breaking up.And anyone who says that, sorry, that is untrue.That is a lie and that is a narrative that the prosecution needed to go to put my daughter in a bad light to make it seem like she had a thing against this kid.He claims they absolutely were not going to break up, they did not have a volatile relationship.

But is that really true?We went through the entire FOIA and there are never -ending fights between Mackenzie and Dom.Mackenzie threatening to break open the front door to be let into his house, refusing to leave him alone, and a reoccurring fight between the two where Dom accuses her of engaging in sex work.Does Steve Schirrilla know all of that and still categorizes their relationship as not volatile?Or does he genuinely think that that is not a volatile relationship?Or is he in denial?

This is part three of the Mackenzie Schirrilla case.We would like to thank today's sponsors who have made it possible for Rotten Mango to support Change the Game for Dom Foundation and Davion Flanagan's Memorial Scholarship Fund.Both GoFundMes are run by the families of the victims, and we will include those, plus all the information regarding Dom and Davion's law, which aims to update Ohio's son of Sam laws in order to prevent violent offenders from profiting off their crimes.All of those are going to be included in the show notes.This episode's partnerships have also made it possible to support Rotten Mango's team of dedicated researchers.We'd also like to thank you guys for your continued support.

As always, full show notes are available at rottenmangopodcast .com.Today's case involves mentions of illicit drug usage, reckless driving, driving while intoxicated, self -exit, and possible domestic violence and sex work.We did pull the FOIA for this case and literally went through tens of thousands of pages of text messages, detective incident reports, autopsy reports, and more.So naturally quotes and statements may be condensed for brevity.Secondly, there is a list of discourse surrounding the case from loved ones involved all the way to unrelated netizen audiences.

So to in order to explain the entire the entirety of the case.We're going to go over all of those, but just keep in mind throughout that any opinions, comments, or speculations made by netizens do not represent our own.And this is part three of a five part series.In the first part, we went over the crash itself and generally what people believe happened that night.In part two, we broke down the Netflix documentary as well as we actually interviewed Rosie and Bubba, two of the more controversial individuals in the documentary.We asked them all the questions social media had.

In this part, we're going to be breaking down all the relationships as well as covering internet rumors, conspiracy theories that people have about Mackenzie's relationship with her parents and whether or not people believe they played some sort of indirect role in all of this.In part 4, and I might switch this with part 5, but in part 4 we'll probably be breaking down the entire 31 ,000 page document of text messages between Mackenzie and Dom, and in part5 we're going to cover the jail calls, the alleged prison girlfriends, the trial, and the appeal and where we're at.So with that being said, let's get started.I've watched a lot of documentaries where police will talk about how they're tasked with death notifications for loved ones and they always describe it in a very similar yet very specific way.That the family members let out what sounds like a guttural scream.

Some people have even described it as almost sounding animalistic.It's not just this like, oh I'm so scared, oh I'm so shocked I let out a scream.They say it feels primal, it's almost like the scream is being ripped out of them.Steve Schirrilla says in an interview, if you would have heard her, he's talking about his daughter, so he's saying, when we told Mackenzie that Dom, her boyfriend, is dead, quote, if you would have heard her, when she found out that Dom died, if you would have heard the sound that came out of her, it would have crushed you.

She found out that Dom died.If you had heard the sound that came out of her, it would have crushed you.

Natalie describes how Mackenzie found out.You know, she says in the night Mackenzie says, where's Dom?And this is when they're in the hospital.I had to tell her, I had to tell her that it was him, that he didn't make it.And so she screamed and I said, I'm so sorry.She goes, no, it's not him.

It's not him.Please go check, go check.And I said, Mackenzie, it's him because if it wasn't him, he'd be here.steve says that was devastating to hear her the sound i mean it was gut -wrenching natalie says right after she was asking well what about davion is he okay and i had to say no he didn't make it either and she was like oh god and i just thought that this was such an unfortunate interview i get that mckenzie was dating dom and was friends with davion so i'm not discounting that this didn't happen like i'm saying this probably did happen or that these emotions were not genuine but when her parents describe her finding out it's not really sympathy inducing because yes She can be upset and be sad, but ultimately she's the one that caused their deaths.So it's like you can have this experience, but maybe like don't share it with the world.And I didn't even want to show this footage, but I've seen it circulating now.

And every time I watch it, I think about how Mackenzie's parents were describing her reaction.And it's just unfortunate because this footage, we finally hear what the police and the documentaries are talking about when they talk about doing these death notifications and how they're the most painful thing to do.When Dom's mom is told that Dom didn't make it, there are two cops.So they go to her house and they have to inform her.

There was an incident that we believe Dominic may be involved.

What?

When was the last time you saw him?

Last night.

Last night?

Yeah, everybody was home.

Why?

Okay.

What happened?There's two cops that are squatting down on their knees next to her.She's sitting outside on this chair on her front porch, and they're sitting down next to her.And they're just telling her, just stay seated, please.Take your time.Take a deep breath.

And she's screaming, and they have to try to calm her down.And she keeps screaming, oh my God, no, he can't be.He can't be.What did she do?

Both Davion and Dominic are deceased.

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Oh, God!Oh, God The scream, it's almost like she doesn't really know entirely what to do with her body as she's screaming.She almost reflexively jumps out of the chair, but she doesn't necessarily have anywhere to go.It almost feels like as a mom, maybe she's trying to go help, go do something, save her child, but there's nowhere to go.There's no one to be saved right now.I think I was just getting very upset because I kept remembering what Mackenzie's parents were saying about her when she found out about Dom's death, and I was like crying.

I was watching Dom's mom's death notification body cam footage that was in the foyer request.It's just like eventually when they think that she'sshe's in shock, she's in denial What happened in the car?What happened in the car?I didn't want her driving.Anyway, I don't like her driving Oh my fucking god in that other kid.

I don't even know him.I don't even know him So she's talking about Davion and it seems like she's getting hit with the impact that not only is her son gone But another life like another child is gone because later she's outside and she's crying.Oh that other little kid He's younger.I think that little kid it can't be Oh, that other little kid.

He's younger, I think, that little kid.

She asked the police, why couldn't they save him?The officers have nothing to say.They can't even respond.She explains, I was making buffalo chicken dip.They said that they had some party to go to and they were going to be back to eat the dip.I was making the dip.

Dom's mom will later tell the judge that when she found out that Dom and Davion were gone, she says, I called Mackenzie's mother hysterical with the loss of my son and Davion.I knew Mackenzie was in the hospital.And the first statement, Natalie Mackenzie's mom said to me was oh, please don't listen to what everyone's saying on Facebook Yeah, my son is dead.His friend is dead and I'm checking on yours, but social media is what's important Social media after the crash in Strongsville, Ohio has been a literal hellhole.People who know Mackenzie are posting things about her, against her, in support of her, and a lot of the posts are just questionable and weird at best.For example, one of Mackenzie's friends decides that she's gonna post Mackenzie on Snapchat.

And it is a picture of Mackenzie in the driver's seat of her car holding a giant blunt.I mean, it doesn't look like she's in motion, but she's in the driver's seat holding a giant blunt.This is an absolutely... completely sane, make sure to choose considering the circumstances, okay?And this friend writes in the caption, chopping it up with you in gym class hitting our pens happy birthday gorgeous you're gonna get through this which i'm not saying that you can't form a real friendship over smoking weed together in gym class but like that's your fondest memory of mackenzie and you're ready to defend her with such a picture and such a passion it's so odd to me meanwhile mackenzie is dming rosie the friend that we interviewed for the last episode this is after the crash this is like a few days after the crash did you get the new skims I got this cute skims.Yeah skims like the dress like the loungewear.I got this cute set soft lounge Rosie responds.

Oh my god.No, I need to order more.I need the legging show me when you can the new ones This is 20 days after the crash Mackenzie is just saying I got it in pink, too Literally, we need to become the skims duo What is happening?What is happening?The police even agree with Dom's mom because Dom's mom is later telling the police, like, when I first called Natalie, she's talking about Facebook and I wanted to punch her in the face.The police agree!

And one officer tells her, you know, we went there to the hospital and her biggest concern was what the people are posting on the Strongsville page on Facebook and can we intervene?And that was her biggest concern when we walked in.

The first thing that she said to me when I called, I was hysterical after finding out, and she says, Oh, are you calling about Facebook?I thought I could have punched her and chopped...

We went there and her biggest concern was what people are posting on the Strongville page and can we intervene?

Even in the first hospital visit one of the officer notes in his report quote Then a few days later Natalie calls the detective again reporting a couple of girls for saying quote mean things to her daughter on social media Even later when police are giving Mackenzie her phone back the officers are just saying like they're still investigating to which Steve the dad butts in What are people coming in and saying?He's asking, like, what are people reporting to you?The cops naturally tell him, I cannot tell you that.That's the investigation.To which Natalie, I don't know who made her the police chief, she says, well, it doesn't matter if it has nothing to do with the crash.The officer explains, well, we don't know.

We have to put everything together.And I can see why people think that all Natalie and Steve care about are what people are saying about their daughter rather than what she did that caused those two boys to lose their lives.Another report from the hospital record reads, And it just feels like it takes a very special person to be talking about skims 20 days after a fatal crash where two people died and you were the driver, but still wonder why, why did this happen to me?It's all so weird.Like, how do you even get to that point?A lot of people think it's the parents.

And I have seen people online and maybe it's based off looks or maybe it's based off the fact that two of them have really viral Netflix documentaries where they're both into it.or the fact that they're both moms, who knows?But a lot of people have been, I've seen, compare Natalie to Kendra.Remember the mom who was texting and bullying her own daughter for years?Yeah, to Kendra.Kendra was comforting her daughter while also being the one that was anonymously cyber harassing her.

Kendra, that Kendra.Some netizens point out that both Kendra and Natalie have this very weird feeling that they give people where it just feels like like they want to be friends with their daughters.They don't want to be moms, they want to be in high school, and they want to be friends with all the friends.

But Kendra once was basically bullying the daughter the whole time.

Yes.

Natalie Shurila was more what?

Enabling.

Uh -huh.So why what's the similarity exactly?

I think the similarity lies in the fact that they both want to be their daughter's friends Like they both want to be in that age group not necessarily friends.Like I know, you know, Kendra is bullying her daughter So it may not seem like she wants to be friends with her daughter, but more so they're stuck in like this Arrested development phase where they all act like high schoolers So instead of disciplining their daughter and being like no you're not allowed to do that They act like a high schooler themselves is what people are kind of connecting the dots.These are opinions on that online, these are not facts, it's just opinions, and it's the energy I suppose.For example, there's this one incident where even when Okay, this is from the body cam and I don't know maybe I'm being petty.Maybe I'm being like hyper judgmental But the officers informed Natalie and Steve Sharilla that most likely Dom and Davion have passed.They're in the hospital So Mackenzie's being operated on and it is without a doubt an incredibly traumatic situation for them in their own perspectives But Natalie is asking for the officers that she might need a puke bucket And this is like such a niche experience like that.

I'm connecting to this Okay The officer goes to fetch one for her and like the way she asked for a puke bucket almost seems Casual like she's like, oh my god, I'm gonna throw up.It's not like no, I'm genuinely gonna throw up You want a puke bucket we can get you oneSo the officer is like do you need a puke bucket?She confirms she needs a puke bucket Officer goes to fetch one for her and says something along the lines of like what you're in the best place to have one Okay, you're in a hospital.We got a lot of puke buckets.She responds.

That was a good joke Okay Do we need to like, do we need to throw up or do we need to convince the nurse to quit her job and pursue standup?Like, I just thought it was odd, right?But then she, in my personal humble opinion, and this might be like hyperjudgmental because I have a lot of experience throwing up.Okay, I am someone who is super prone to nausea.Everything makes me nauseous.I have Zofran on the go at all times.

She's not really sitting like someone who's about to throw up.She's sitting with her legs crossed in the chair and she's leaned back.when i have to throw up i've never met someone who's about to throw up they're always forward and they have a puke bucket or some sort of container ready to go just in case or they're kind of hunched because when you extend your stomach it always makes the nausea worse that's why people go into like a fetal position when they're throwing up all night from drinking or whatever it may be right and she's leaned back she hasn't even touch the puke bucket.She just places it on the chair next to her.

So she doesn't look like she's about to throw up.

Yeah, and like none of this really means anything, but I just thought it was weird because you're in such a highly tense emotional situation.The last thing I would do is like go through this whole dramatic back and forth with multiple parties of getting a puke bucket if I genuinely was not on the verge of throwing up.It just feels like a really weird intricate song and dance involving multiple parties of grabbing this puke bucket and doing a lot when you were in this heightened emotional state like if i were in this situation i just could not foresee myself asking for any sort of puke canister buttbag Unless I was literally on the verge of throwing up on the floors And even then I think I would try to hold it in until I could no longer none of this again means anything But I guess it's the whole energy that Natalie gives off is a little bit strange and maybe I am being harsh I just thought it was a little dramatic She also, Natalie does this thing where she makes custom balaclavas that Mackenzie will wear.So like the kind of, they look like rave balaclavas, like, you know, with the bunny ears, like a ski mask with the face cut off and then with the bunny ears and then you wear them with like bikinis to the raves.

Okay.

Okay.Yeah, she, I guess she hand makes them and Mackenzie will wear them.And sometimes I guess she sells them because I see a lot of Instagram DMs where she's trying to sell them.And Mackenzie will tell people like my mom custom makes them.Her ad is this.You can DM her.

and I think she's only gonna charge you $20, but if you live far, she'll have to add $5 shipping, but it shouldn't take long, probably a week.And again, I don't have children.But if my 17 -year -old daughter were posting these types of videos, wearing the balaclavas that I made, and wearing these types of clothes, and filming herself smoking weed, I feel like I would have to ground her for half a century.It's just, like, not hard to feel that Mackenzie's priorities are all screwed up, and it feels like maybe even Natalie's are.Even when the officers are giving Mackenzie her phone back, Natalie, the mom, clarifies with the officers.And this is in the hospital, and this is in the hospital report, the officer report.

You had search activity, you download the date, everything, you know, now nobody's looking at it.

Can you explain what it is?

So Natalie is asking the officer, you got the search activity, you downloaded the date, everything, now nobody's looking at it.No one's gonna look at her stuff.Her phone is private now.And the officer is like, we mirrored the phone, we're gonna look through the phone.But everything she does now, now she's on her own.So they're like, yeah, now she's on her own.

We don't have a tracker on her phone, we're not watching in real time what she's doing on her phone.And it's just interesting that Natalie is so gung -ho about that.Later she asks again.This one does have total privacy again.Yeah, total privacy from here.on out, everything we're going to look at, we have already obtained through a search warrants for, you know, everything, including social media.

And while they go over the copy of the search warrants, Mackenzie asks the officer, are people going through my Snapchats too, like opening stuff?Cause she's got her phone back for the first time in the hospital.We did not.We just mirrored your phone.So they're like, we didn't go through your Snapchat, but like we mirrored your phone.Because I see like three of them open.

The officer clarifies with Mackenzie.We did not, but either way, even if we did, we have a search warrant.We're going to look through everything that's on your phone.So like maybe we didn't know, but we are going to.I'm not entirely sure why that's her biggest concern right now, but if she must know, we did receive four massive folders just containing her Snapchat data extracts.So yeah, they did go through your Snapchat and so did we.

We FOIA'd this case and the Snapchat files the police gave us were extensive and ridiculously out of context.I'm just taking you on the journey that we went.went on.In the multiple zip files of Snapchat evidence, we kept seeing, okay, like obviously we saw messages and like we saw her posting like random things on Snapchat, but we also saw there would be like random things out of context and we're just trying to like contextually piece it together.We see so many pictures of Mackenzie with a white wall behind her, almost like a passport photo.I'm like, why is she Snapchatting passport photos?

It's so weird.Just variations of poses.Sometimes it's slightly pouty, less pouty, hair back, hair in front, one side of hair in front, one side hair and back.I'm like, okay, is she getting a passport?And I don't know why we're like, we need to get to the bottom of this.We were like literally sitting around the dining table and I'm like, okay, team, we got to get to the bottom of this.

No, no reason.Okay.But we just needed to know, we needed to see it through.And we think based off the context clues, those are the photos that she's sending to fake ID websites to try and buy a fake ID online.

Yeah, because she just like screenshotted that right before.

Yeah.So it's like fakeid .com, like something as ridiculous.It's the most fake, fake ID website name that you could think of.and she has screenshots of her applying for fake IDs online.websites.

She also screenshots pictures of her phone, of her like weird search history.Can you see a person's age using a debit card?Then she screenshots the answer from Quora, which reads, none.Nope, in the States, there is nothing on your debit card to indicate your age.Your card lists your bank name, your name, and card's expiration date, and your debit card number tied to your bank account, that's it.She seemingly documents her search for the best senior quote of all time.

She starts searching on Pinterest, the 100 most epic and funny senior quotes, planet of success.She clicks on that one.One of them reads, see kids, I told you your mom was hot back in high school.Another reads, I have to be successful because I like expensive things.Ultimately, and like you would have to tell me if you can confirm if you have this yearbook, it seems she settles on this poetic masterpiece.You can't get what you always want, but I certainly can.

I don't know how that's it.Yeah, it's like the weirdest quote.Yeah She also complains to her friends about Dom on snapchat via audio notes That I think she thought disappears forever into the ether goes into the intergalactic space But like we have him she sends this to a friend.No, like he gets me flowers and stuff like that I don't know though, but I have to be like if you don't do this I'm breaking up with you.If you don't make it up to me We're done like you have until six o 'clock today or we're done type shit.Like that's like how it is So it makes it like not special he can never just like apologize on his own make it up to me on his own and i have to kind of like give him that like little actually no a giant ass fucking push like i have to shove him off a fucking 60 foot diving fucking board type shit another audio message where mckenzie says i have told him a million times that i will be the perfect girlfriend perfect girlfriend i will clean i will literally clean his house in a fucking maid costume all he has to do is be good and get me what i want and be good to me that's how it is he can't do that like it's really not that hard to please me Another one guys are pea brains like real shit.

They do not think big at all.She complains quite a bittaking so long and we're like doing repetitive shit it just feels like cosmetology school all over again like I don't even know they treat us like fucking children too like bitch I don't even know how to describe this to you I fucking hate it every second of it and this is gonna sound even worse I don't even know I don't even know like the fact that like some of those people even made it in it's like it's shocking it's shocking like y 'all ugly as hell like how the fuck are y 'all in here like we need the supermodel looking bitches like there's like five girls who are hot in that class like and the rest are weird like it's fuck also in her snapchat folders you know she's filling out this medical exam and it asks her like most do do you currently smoke or vape yes or no and there's like a little box next to yes a little box next to no okay she of course indicates yes but instead of doing a check mark or an x or filling in the box she does a heart around yes and then takes a picture and sends it to somebody on Snapchat.I don't know because now we have it in the Snapchat file.So yeah, Mackenzie, the police went through your Snapchat history and so did we.So kind of a dumb question to ask whether or not the police... opened her snapchat but on the note of dumb questions later mackenzie asks the officers if they were all wearing body cameras which side note this is before her arrest so it's possible that she thinks that they're just investigating and the case is going to be concluded with her getting her license suspended for like 10 years which is what she asked them to do right which she asks if they're wearing body cams they confirm she asked to see them they

tell her no.

When was this?When was she asking?

She's in the hospital.

Oh, so this is like after the crash and the police is currently wearing a body cam.

Yeah being recorded Well, they were audio recording a lot of these hospital.Yeah, they were not I didn't get the body cam probably because HIPAA and like there's lots of stuff happening in the actually well I do see lots of body cams in hospitals.Maybe because she's on well, yeah, but we only got audio.Yes.Mm -hmm and so she's acting like this is just like a friendly heeheehaha girly pop chat and she's like Why can't I see it?Like, what do you mean, why can't you see it?

This is an open investigation.Like, they're not just gonna give you...What do you mean?

She's like my mom would given to me.Yeah, I would would have given to me like 10 years ago You can get what you want, but I certainly can't exactly What the hell is going on right now?

It's just all very deplorable behavior And I don't know if Natalie and Steve ever called their daughter out on it or if all they do is sympathize Natalie as per her very recent daily mail interview So Steve's been doing like I've seen at least two on -camera interviews Natalie has a daily mail interview she says I'm always going to be a villain in someone's story because Because I'm the mom of someone driving a car who killed two kids.That's okay because I know I'm not a villain.I'm a good person.So is my daughter.She's not how she's being labeled online.She struggles with this daily.

She's being labeled online as a murderer and she was convicted of murder.So, I don't know.She says, steve says in the documentary i think what you wear to a very important event is very indicative of who you may be as a person i mean typically you don't wear white to someone else's wedding unless asked to and if you do it's very indicativeof who you are as a person and maybe sometimes you don't wear a graphic t -shirt that says boom on there when you're being interviewed about how your daughter crashed a car into a building at nearly 100 miles per hour to the point where investigators say it looked like the car exploded and ultimately that car crash killed two boys.Maybe don't wear the boom shirt.

Was this in Netflix?

Yes, Netflix.

That's even crazier.

Yeah.You know, this is a documentary people like wardrobe is a huge thing and like the emphasis that they have on lighting Like if you see some of these like setups for these documentaries behind the scenes the amount of lights It's like 10 % room 90 % lights and camera crew studio.Like it's just so intense Yeah, and I'm sure they don't have like a makeup team for you know, documentary interviewees But like it's still a big day on the calendar that you think of and you plan ahead of time and you're like, okay Well, I need to wear something That is yeah, but no he wears a boom shirt.It's a shirt that reads boom on there It looks like a graphic tee and he's wearing this throughout the Netflix documentary and netizens have thoughts Ranging anywhere from it's just a shirt to he's an art teacher.He's trained in media literacy He did this on purpose and it's wild Another one reads it feels like he's making a joke about his daughter's actions.Maybe I'm reading into it But it's not a good look another says their level of immaturity and that family runs deep another says zero situational awareness whatsoever forever.

to which later Steve does an interview where he's asked about this boom shirt, but not before he very sarcastically points out.So in this new interview after Netflix, he's wearing this solid orange polo shirt.So it's got the polo logo, but like just mainly orange, right?He says, is this okay?I don't want to trigger anybody in this world.And I'm wearing this orange polo.

I hope it's, you know, I'm not colorblind enough for anybody.Oh, the shirt I was wearing is from drip drop.So the boom shirt, he's like, it's from this drip drop, which is crime circus on YouTube.crime circus has been a defender for my daughter He's been made many posts saying she's innocent and he shows the evidence and he contradicts what people say.There is a youtuber defending Yeah, Mackenzie Sharilla like way before the Netflix documentary like during the trial as it was happening I believe and this is their merch.It's one of their merch and I mean, people have been saying he's got tons of merch you could have chosen from.

The merch was related to this case?

No, no.

OK.

Unrelated to this case.

Still crazy.

Yeah.And yeah, yeah.He's like, you know, he shows the evidence.He contradicts people that who say, no, she's guilty, blah, blah, blah.And he goes, no, you have to look at this and this.About a month after her trial, one of his posts showed up with us.

Somebody had sent it to us and he had found five, six videos, interviews from the Strongsville Police Department that were not in discovery or were not in the discovery that we could find.says that in those videos, people allude to Mackenzie passing out and having seizures.So it's like, it's a very lengthy police discussion with Angela, which is Dom's brother.And he like alludes like, yeah, I've heard about Mackenzie passing out and having seizures, right?Or whatever.But he's saying like, oh, that's proof.

Regardless, I don't really think it's that pertinent because the verdict did come out the way it did come out.He's saying that he didn't get it in discovery, which I mean, if that's true, that's huge.huge, huge allegation.And I would imagine that their appeal would go forward, but it hasn't so far.I mean, they're going to the Supreme Court, but it's just a huge allegation that I don't know because I don't know what they got in discovery.Right.

When I mean, I got it when we did the FOIA request.I didn't particularly find anything in there nefarious, like, you know, the points where I was talking about in the last episode where Dom's mom was saying, oh, I'm not even worried about McKenzie's attorney.He's not a concern for me.They kind of took it as, oh, everything is rigged.I took it more as like, she found out who the Shirellas hired.I don't think she's the one that told them to hire them.

And then she's like, I don't think he's a great attorney.I think that was the vibe I got.Yeah, of like he's not like this crazy.He's not fucking Mark Agnifilo probably anyway back to the shirt He said the shirt was crime circuses logo and one of his swag that he sells So I wore the shirt to say thank you for what he was doing for my daughter and he's done a lot If I see him, I'm gonna hug him.That's the first thing I'm gonna do He's been a very good champion for what I feel is misjustice against my daughter and the lack of evidence to support the charges So that's what the shirt was about not me being colorblind to two boys dying because it was horrible a day doesn't go by that I don't think about it And that was one of the toughest things for me to do with this whole thing.At the beginning was, how can I be happy that my daughter's alive and breathing, and the fact that these two boys died?

The shirt was a thank you to Crime Circus.It wasn't me being colorblind or insensitive to anybody, because that's the most idiotic, because oh my god, why would I do that?That's got to be the dumbest take on that shirt.And again...

But you did.

Yeah.

You did wear that.

Yeah.Yeah, you can still explain but just apologize that was his apology and then he hits it with a you know And again everyone this is orange.I'm sorry if it's offensive.I apologize now and again everyone it's orange i'm sorry if it's offensive i apologize now they're just so not likable they're making everything not regarding to the case or legal side of it they're just such unlikable people yeah they're people that i would not want to spend any second of my free time with willingly in another comment it reads he's the type of dad that joins his daughter's onlyfans account for quote support that comment got like 48 ,000 likes.So this is a sentiment that I mean, I don't know you described a lot But that to me is a lot of people that liked it Mackenzie's dad Steve Sharilla says again.Am I a perfect parent?

No, and Natalie is like backing him up and she's like nobody is no one is have I made mistakes with my kids?Sure.It's it's like life, you know Mackenzie's mom Natalie Butson, but she wasn't a bad kid.She didn't need to bedisciplined a lot you know i mean she i mean the only the worst is her mouth and clearly our definitions of good parenting and bad kid are so vastly different that one of us might be reading the dictionary and the other party might be reading the freaking hobbit because like what do you mean?in the police foia file we received this lengthy document it's the cell bite extract of text messages between mackenzie and her dad And I will say, the internet has taken some snippets of it and ran with it to very interesting directions and corners of darkness.

For example, there's the whole warm milk bit online.I guess people have been pulling messages and Mackenzie seems to ask her dad for quote, warm milk at odd hours of the day.the day or more often odd hours of the night, and there are some notable ones.So for example, I mean, I was combing through looking for these warm milk messages because I saw people talking about it online before I even got to it.Thanks.When you come in, be quiet.

" Then later, in March 2020, Mackenzie texts her dad at 11 .35 p .m.Can you rub my feet?This seems to like be a thing that she does because months later there are similar messages.Could you please come up here and rub my feet?They're in pain and mom will not do a good job.

Can you rub my feet?Which is interesting.April 2nd, 2020, 11 .12 p .m.Mackenzie asks again, will you make me warm milk?He responds the next morning at 10 a .

m.Just saw this.Do you still want?No.sorry my phone was dead then may 5th 2020 at midnight can you make me warm milk again may 8th 2020 at 3 a .m can you make me warm milk to which steve responds k mckenzie asks can you do it now then again may 9th 2020 can you make me

milk?And I don't know if it's maybe a lot of people who don't really drink a lot of warm milk, or maybe just like a vibe that people are picking up, but comments on TikTok read, warm milk is not warm milk.That comment has almost 30 ,000 likes.People are debating under that comment section, you know, arguing what they think warm milk means.Some say warm milk helps you come off certain drugs.So like it is warm milk, but the reason she needs it so much is because she's trying to come down from a drug.

Others say, no, it sounds like a sexual thing.Another comment just reads, Google urban dictionary meaning for warm milk, which I did.And there is a list of different definitions ranging from the beverage you drink while thinking of excuses to explain why you can't fish because your wife or others won't let you.basically you're a bitch baby, all the way to it's a webcomic, and all the way to quote, wink, jerk off furiously during a bout of insomnia as a way to work up the heart rate and therefore exhaust oneself to sleep.So there are some people on the internet who believe that they think something weird is going on between Mackenzie and her dad, with one comment reading, this feels like a grossly inappropriate relationship.Others don't think it's that dark necessarily.

They theorize online, warm milk helps you come down from very specific substances.Just an FYI, sounds like she was a junkie and her dad was an enabler, so still probably bad.

Does she ask for anything else?

Oh yeah, I'm gonna get into that.Now one comment with over 40 ,000 likes reads, child of addicts here, I was always told warm milk helps you come down from drugs.So there is no proof that something strange is happening like some netizens theorize because I kept seeing I don't know if it was my algorithm But tik -tok was just like something weird's going on between her and her dad But then I'm reading the messages and I honestly would say that this is my feeling I wouldn't be surprised if Mackenzie is literally just asking for warm milk like a literal glass of warm milk and maybe it's weird to some people because I wouldn't wake my dad up at 3 in the morning to ask for warm milkfor a favor but that sounds just about exactly what mackenzie would do but like i said i don't know if i would be surprised if she's just I wouldn't be surprised at anything at this point, but I could see her just using him as a butler.She asks him to make her hot cocoa, bring her tanning oil, buy her spray paint, make her stencils out of cardboard.She also asks him to edit her photos, texting him, did you fix the pic?

I need you to fix it ASAP.I'm trying to post.

That's crazy.

Yeah, she's photoshopped.Yeah, she sends more pictures and she's like make those lighter She asked him to make her pants and again more milk.She'll text him at night around 11 p .m Milk question mark question mark.He doesn't respond.Okay, or not Then more messages.

Will you make me warm milk, please?No response.Mackenzie texts back.Are you home?Can you please try to book me a massage sooner than seven?I have a birthday party that I have to leave for at like six.

Mom is telling me to book it when first of all, I never even talk to adults and I don't have no money and I don't drive.Yeah.Then later messages show Mackenzie complaining about said warm milk and she says milk is cold AF.I'm going to drink it, but it's not warm.Steve responds.Bring it down.

And it's just interesting.I can't imagine critiquing my parents about how they warm up milk.I wouldn't even give a Michelin star chef those notes if I'm paying for an expensive cup of milk.It's just like a lot.It's very harsh.But that's apparently her dynamic with her parents.

One DM between Natalie and Mackenzie, Natalie says, are you good with the D or do you want to complete those final assignments?If my mom ever came up to me as a minor and said, are you good with getting a D in this class or are you going to finish those assignments?Guess what that means?That means I'm finishing those assignments tonight, even if I'm falling asleep at my desk." Because that was her way of saying, you're finishing those assignments, okay?She's asking her about her grades.

Mackenzie responds, dude, I don't care about a D.

Wait, what is happening?So the mom is asking if she would like to finish the assignment?Like genuinely asking?Like, hey, are you going to finish that?

Yeah, but like, I guess I'm thinking like if my mom asks...

Oh no, genuinely like, are you okay with a D?

Like that's the question?I guess so.

Are you good with that?

Usually when parents ask that, it's more so you're going to finish the assignments, right?But then she responds, dude, I don't care about a D. And now this is where I'm expecting Natalie to like pull a mom and be like, Hey, you might not care, but guess who cares?The car you're never going to drive the outside world that you're never going to see because you're going to be grounded.Like something like that.I'm expecting Natalie responds.Unless you want to fix it.

That's what I thought.A D is passing.So it's all good.LOL.That is. insane response yeah yeah i was reading that and i was like am i reading the right person and i'm like no this is natalie shirila's instagram dming her and their instagram dming yeah holy this is crazy I feel like Natalie just tries really hard to be Mackenzie's friend.Mackenzie will even tell Natalie about her night out with friends.

She'll say things like, quote, they knew my ID was fake.They told me we did leave.And then we went to Grace's.Natalie responds, I'm glad you went out and had a good time.I feel like, OK, I understand that when you're raising kids, maybe there comes a point where you know that your kids snuck out, maybe, or you know that your kid did something, but like maybe you don't confront them.because maybe you let it pass for like whatever parenting reason you decide, okay?

But the fact that the kid is telling you and then you're like, well, I'm glad you had fun is like not in a world that I can imagine.

No, this is like they flip the parenting dynamic around.It's almost like Mackenzie is the parent.

This is so weird to me.

Like what is going on here?

That's what I'm saying.Her parents seem much, much, much, much, much less strict than my parents.ever were.And I feel like my parents were pretty open -minded raising us.It's just, I feel like my parents are stricter on me now as a full -blown adult than Mackenzie's parents were at her age at 17.In one text thread, Mackenzie is texting Dom.

No, she was 15 if she was 20.Yeah, yeah.I feel like my parents expect more from me now as a full -blown adult.And so there's another point where Mackenzie is texting Dom about alcohol.And she says, how are we going to get alcohol?My dad said make it with vodka.

So she's like getting advice from her dad.And Dom is like, just ask your mom to go buy some.Later Mackenzie says, OK, well, I'm waiting for my dad.So give me the money so we can go.And I'll get the jello and everything.You can help me make the margaritas for the pregame.

Okay, I mean the implication there is like, I don't know, you draw the implication you want, right?But Dom sends a list of things that he needs and there's Casamigos silver on there, which is alcohol.Mackenzie later confirms that her dad got the orange liquor, which is alcohol.And when they get back, I guess the party is being hosted at Mackenzie's parents' house and she says, well, my dad is power washing the deck for us.What I'm getting out of this is, is he buying them alcohol and also cleaning up for their party?that they're hosting at their house.

Like, is that what we are to assume from this?Because that's crazy.Later in other messages, Mackenzie mentions to Dom that she's going to go to the dispensary with her dad.Mackenzie texts Dom, this is back in February of 2020.My dad asked if I know someone who has hella female weed seeds.I'll pay you, should give him some.

That is insane.So they're not only...The parents are not only buying her alcohol, He's buying her weed at 15.

Well, I don't know if he's buying it for her or for himself, right?Or Mackenzie could be making this up, right?But there's text messages between her and her dad where Mackenzie asks her dad, Steve, you want weed peanut butter?He responds, no, lol, I don't like to eat it.weed i'm gonna give you a little are you making me milk?dad dad are you home?

then uh are you okay?yes i'm okay i feel like i have a cold okay to be honest you need weed i'm worried lol don't be worried i actually feel good just got irritated that i got it and have to quarantine for 10 days they're talking about covid yeah that's gay af covid some bs you shouldn't have taken the test You shouldn't have taken the COVID test?Yeah, so there's this is like a reoccurring trend throughout Mackenzie's text messages with other people.She talks about how she can buy negative tests, like tests that show a negative.And then you won't get it.

Wait, I'm so lost.

So like, because you know, it was like mandatory quarantining.

Oh, so as long as you show negative, you can just be out and about.

Yeah, yeah.With COVID.Yeah.So she's like, she was like messaging other people of like how to get negative tests.

Wow.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.Steve later says in an interview that he picked his battles as a parent and he let Mackenzie smoke weed.

I'm sorry if I find marijuana not that dangerous as I find alcohol or cocaine or whatever, you know.My daughter, beyond whatever else seems to think or wants to interpret or glean, she seemed mature enough to handle it.

I didn't see it as an issue.I feel like they have a lot of issues, but that's my opinion.According to text messages, it seems at some point Mackenzie's dad puts like a bumper sticker on her car.I imagine, and this is like imagination.It's probably some sort of like student driver bumper sticker, because she recently learned how to drive, right?And she texts him, never fucking put that on my car again.

Now I'm going to be late to school because I had to turn around and go take that shit off.He responds, LOL.It's seriously not funny.Like I will seriously flip the fuck out.Don't talk to me like that, lol.I'm gonna talk to you however I want until that bumper sticker stops showing up on my car.

No, LOL.Because now I'm late, somewhere that my hours matter.Okay, then call Polaris and get my hours back.Blocked.

Wait, what just happened?

So she's saying like, call my school and get my hours back.Cause she's like, I'm late for school now because of you and I can't get my hours back.Don't put that bumper sticker on my car.And then she says blocked, as in like, she's gonna block him, but she doesn't.Thanks for the laugh, LOL, giggle.

The father says, thanks for the laugh.

I just can't imagine talking to my dad like that.And then I can't imagine my dad responding to me like that when I do talk to him like that.Their interactions are alarming.Mackenzie will text her dad in the midst of a fight with her mom.Tell mom to answer my text right now.Right now.

Do it.Question mark, exclamation, exclamation, exclamation, exclamation.Are you just not going to help?Sorry, not getting involved.I'm just going to get mad.Thanks for making this the worst birthday I ever had.

She texts her dad, never drive my car again without putting gas in it.Like what the fuck?How are you going to drive someone's car then not put a single set of gas in it?And then it's literally below the line.It was not below the line when I gave you my car.Steve responds, first, I took your car to get serviced, which I paid for and had to waste an hour of my time waiting for it and cleaned some of the inside because the person that drives it is a slob and doesn't keep it clean.

Then when I returned your car to the driveway, I noticed the gas was on empty, so I left you a note, told you when you came home and told your mother to tell you, so be more respectful and responsible.You owe me $74 for the service and $25 for the hour I had to sit there wasting my time for my disrespectful daughter.Here's the thing with Steve, and this is just like my context that I got from the text messages.Okay, when I watched the Netflix documentary, I walked away with the feeling that Steve and Natalie never yell at their daughter and just go, Oh baby, baby, it's okay.It's okay, baby.Anything for you, baby.

Right?That's what I walked away with.But then when I was reading these text messages, I noticed that Steve does yell at his daughter.And I think that's where he thinks he's different.his daughter, right?But then, like, it never really amounts - That's not my takeaway, though.

Yes, I know.

Even with these texts.

Exactly.but that's not what happens because I'll see him like yelling at his daughter, right?And then the next day it'll be like, have fun, have fun tonight, like text me if you need me.And it's like, oh, if my child ever spoke to me like that, I don't think they're going out the next day.I don't think they're going out for a long time.

You know, whatever you just said, the Steve just text her.What does she respond with?

Like nothing.She just ignores him.

Clearly there's nothing going on.There's no discipline.There's nothing, no consequences.Nothing is being done.

Yeah.

What the fuck?

Yeah.A few weeks later, she complains to him.You mean the car I had to move because the person who parked it failed to leave me room?And don't you mean the car that I pay for?Is that the car you're talking about?Watch how you speak to me or you won't have that car.

She responds, She doesn't apologize, but later she gets upset when a school project doesn't end up working out.She rants to her dad, you better fix what you ruined or I will fail Polaris.School.So...Are you trying to say you're slow?I'm saying when you speak to me with disrespect, I don't care if you fail.

Mackenzie responds, let me know when it's fixed.Question mark.Do you know how to use a music doll?No response.Good to know to never ask you to do anything again.You just f***ed up my whole morning.

How about you tell people your plan instead of just f***ing not going?

They literally text like two friends.

Yes, that's what I'm saying.I don't even talk to my friends like that.

Is there any moment that they are acting like a parent that's actually a regular freaking parent?

No, I mean the only moments I saw are when he's like, you do not speak to me with disrespect, right?Those are the - That's again - But like nothing comes of it?Exactly.

Even a friend could talk to a parent like that.

yeah you don't talk to me like that yeah but that's it that's all i can find wow these are yeah no i was actually like i felt like my blood pressure was going up reading these text messages i was getting like i was huffing and puffing it was so stressful then a few days later she texts him can you please go get us white claws or some shit White Claws or alcohol?Can you please go get us White Claws or some sh** from the gas station or mics?Something like that.I am in bed.I have to get up early and it's Sunday.Can you bring us some please?

We need some.Even the ones in the garage fridge.Then come get it.There are people here.OMG.And then he responds, mom will drop off in a bit.

And she says bet.And he's like, oh, I guess this is the only time he's like a parent.He's like bet as in better.And she says bet as in good.

That's crazy.What kind of teacher is he?

Art teacher?

Middle school?High school?

It's a Catholic school.

I'm not sure.

Yeah.Then there's this whole Starbucks debacle.She asked him to go get her Starbucks.And he says, what do you want?But I have to go out.It might be in a bit.

So he's like telling her it's going to be in a little later.Smaller medium iced white mocha sweet cream foam and extra extra caramel sauce and a chocolate croissant.How long?Dad warmed croissant.What the fuck?Why would you not get my food first?

Like, question mark, question mark, question mark, question mark.I would go if I didn't feel like shit.He responds, I'll let you know when I get there.Please relax.Like, what the fuck?I told Dom no because I thought you would actually go.

Unreliable AF.I was on my way out, on my way back.I will stop.I will.Stop making me stop what I'm doing.What the fuck?

Maybe next time just let me know you're gonna take five hours and I'll just have Dom do it because he's actually gonna go get it.Like, do I have to have mom go?Oh my god, question mark, question mark, question mark.Where are you?What the fuck?Like, please never tell me you can do something if this is how it's going to be.

Oh my god.Yeah, I'm never gonna ask again.do anything for me again.God damn.Why can't you do it, right?I swear to God if I don't get my chocolate croissant because they sold out.

I'm gonna flip out.What do you want?I'm here.

Is this the same tone that she kind of talks to Dom?

Yes.Yeah, it's like very threatening like I'm gonna flip out if I don't get what I want I'm about to blow shit like that's the vibe.

So is this for me to assume that the reason why she talks this way, acts this way, is because of the parents.Let her talk to them this way.And that's why she talks to Dom this way.

That's what I think too.

I feel like the correlation is very clear.

The fact that she talks to them like this is crazy.And so he doesn't even respond to that craziness.He just says, what do you want?I'm here.The fact that he still went to Starbucks is crazy too.Okay.

And then she responds, I texted you and Danny, Danny's her sister, I texted you and Danny what I want, read.

Sharilla has a sister?Mackenzie has a sister?

Yeah, and Dom's mom says like, it's very clear there's favoritism in that family.

Favoritism to Mackenzie?

Mackenzie is very sociable, considered mean girl popular by some people, skinny, gets followers on Instagram.conventionally may be attractive and her sister is Maybe not considered those things.

What do we know about that?Is it just from Dom's mother?

You said Dom's mother some small comments made by other people the fact that the Shirella's never really talked about their other daughter and then I I'm like the jail calls so Natalie will be on the phone with Mackenzie who's in prison and you just hear Natalie like screaming at Danny all the time Screaming at the sister.

Yeah, the sister is also on the phone.

Yeah.No, oh like she'll be talking to Mackenzie likeda -da -da -da.Danny, get down here!Like, Danny, what did I say?

Really?

Yeah, and I'm like, oh, damn.You should be screaming at Mackenzie like that.Yeah.She's the one in prison for murder.

Bye.Yeah.Yeah.Fascinating.

I mean, I guess you could argue, well, she's talking to Mackenzie in a softer tone because she feels like her daughter needs more emotional support since she's calling from jet, whatever.But it's still weird.It's still weird.So these are just like speculations, okay?Yeah, she just responds.Just hurry for real, it's already late AF.

I shouldn't even be drinking coffee this late, but I guess I have to.Next time, tell me you can't go if you don't wanna, dumb AF.Did you just call me dumb?Because this shit storm is coming for you.I'd go hide.Mackenzie responds, are you threatening me for no reason when I'm sick with COVID?

So loving.And then like nothing comes out of that either.A few weeks later, Mackenzie is looking for a bag of soil and asks Steve, where is it?He texts her, I don't know, maybe in the garage, ask mom.She texts, she's being dumb as fuck.That's why I'm asking you, where in the garage?

Baby, I don't know.If I had to guess, it's probably buried somewhere.Okay, go buy some.When are you going to be back?Because my plant is going to die.She's just calling her mom dumb as fuck to her dad and her dad doesn't correct her There's a lot of fights about the car.

She texts him.You are never driving my car again Disgusting don't eat fast food in my car then leave the trash in my car disgusting Also, maybe try putting it back the way it was when you left it Don't take my steering wheel off if you're not gonna put it back on I don't think that he took the steering wheel off.I think he took the pink fuzzy thing off, you know She texts again.You're done She's texting her dad.You're done.Steve tries to tell Mackenzie that this is technically his car that he pays for and he lets her drive and he demands that she speak to him with respect.

She argues, if you want to be treated with respect, how about you give it to other people?This is like a huge thing.To Mackenzie, it feels like people are only disrespectful when she doesn't like what they do.Like in her English pea -sized brain, she's never disrespectful.She texts her dad.have fun in your closet when you get home your trash is in there So I think the whole fight is like he probably ate something left the fast food bag in the car She put it in his closet.

He responds if I was you I think twice before you piss me off and then you won't have a car period so text me again with your BS and think twice She says, I tell you a million times to not disrespect my car and take my steering wheel off and leave trash, especially eat fast food in my car.But you never listen.I'm just telling you that you're being disrespectful when you start making car payments and insurance payments.Until then, keep your disrespectful tone and words to yourself.The next day, there's text messages between Mackenzie and her dad where he tells her, be careful, have fun.And like this is again where I lose my mind.

Like if I talk to my dad like that, I'm not having fun for a long time, especially not the next business day.Other times she's texting him like, stop being loud AF.What?I can hear you from all the way up here.Stop being so oversensitive AF and I'm not being loud.This is her dad texting her.

That's not oversensitive.I'm trying to sleep and you're stomping around blowing your nose 79 times stopping a woman hater.Stop being disrespectful to your father.In some text messages, it doesn't even seem like Steve is trying to discipline her.It just seems like he's trying to appease her, writing things like, Later in an interview, he says, I was on my daughter all the time.

I punished her all the time.It's not me going, okay, just go.Hey, go have a whole time.Go smoke dope.Have fun.Woo.

Drive your car really fast.

I mean, I don't see it in the celebrate messages, but like, maybe you can point us elsewhere, Steve.Like maybe you can show us.

Didn't he say that?I'm sorry.You didn't have a good time.

Yeah.

Have a good day.

Have a good be fun.

Have fun.Be safe.

Yeah.

Here's some white claw.

Yeah.I'm at Starbucks.What do you want?Apparently there's this one time where Mackenzie and Dom are going to Florida and Mackenzie's mom allegedly was gonna go to Floridajust to make sure that they can check into their place because you might have to be 21 to check into whatever accommodation they're staying at.So she was just gonna go to Florida, check in with them and leave, which is fucking insane.

This is coming from Dom's mom.

Dom's mom says, Golden child they treat the other sister like a piece of crap.She's the pretty one.She's the smart one just everything It doesn't matter how outrageous one former friend of Mackenzie says about her parents.

They just spoiled her So they just kind of let her do whatever obviously at the time She should not have been really just doing whatever she wanted.She just always did what she wanted.She talks to everyone else She wanted you know, we were swimming over at the Falls and you're not supposed to be swimming over there So I'm assuming this is some sort of like waterfall or something, right?Um Cops came and she was just sitting there being disrespectful the whole time, just like on her phone.And we're like, Kenzie, bro, like, we're not supposed to be even here swimming.Like, why are you being disrespectful towards them?

Like, do you want us to get a ticket?Like, what is wrong with you?Why are you just always like this?Just everybody, you know, authority.That's not the way you're supposed to.And the first time when she came over to my house, she was cursing in front of my parents, which made my parents not really like her and stuff.

And like, mind you, there are high schoolers.I mean, even as adults, like I find it a little when I hear someone cursing in front of my parents, especially if it's the first time they've met.Obviously, now that we're all comfortable, it's different.But the prosecutor says her parents would offer excuses for her behavior.And typically, Mackenzie would walk away from those negative interactions at school with more freedom.Less consequences and our actions being completely excused away.

Steve says in the Chris Cuomo interview about people judging him and his parenting.

Let's talk about people.First of all, if you don't know me and you're not in my life and how do you say anything about me?How are you judging me without knowing me?Was I leaning in on some things?Yes.Was I harder on some things?

Yes.I was raising my kid how I felt best at the time that I made decisions.I I'm not a bad person.parent.I picked fights that I felt would help her and I picked fights that I didn't want to fight with her and I let her go and I made her make her own decisions.She was almost an adult.

It's laughable that the people think what they think about us.And I look at it this way.If you're not in my boat, then it really doesn't matter what you think as the people.I mean, anyone that doesn't know me, anyone that doesn't know me, Should keep their mouth shut, personally.

Do I blame myself?

Could I have advised her better?Sure.Do I think it would have made any difference?I don't know.I'm sorry.I don't have a problem with the marijuana use.

I'm sorry.I just don't.It's a battle that I would never win.How am I stopping her?Was I going to lock her in her room and never let her out of the room?Was I supposed to go with her everywhere she goes?

Could I took the car away?There's just so many factors that had nothing to do with it.

I don't know.I feel like it has a lot to do with it.and like okay watching the netflix documentary again i was under the impression like maybe maybe she's like playing chess with her family with her parents she acts like this goody two -shoes in front of them and then she's like living this second life outside where she's posting all these pictures i mean that seems more common than not with social media these days but no like just she's kind of a bitch like even in text messages between Mackenzie and Dom she gets upset that Dom is on her parents side instead of hers This is from Mackenzie's birthday the year before the crash She says this is the worst birthday ever and that well I would like to think now It's not the worst birthday ever now that she's in prison But anyway, Dom is on Mackenzie's parents side during a fight and he tries to explain to her I'm not on any side there, you know, like there's no sides.She disagrees clearly There's my side and my parents side like literally this is the worst birthday dinner I've ever had no one meant itfor it to be like this babe i wish it wasn't then why did you argue with me the whole dinner like you could have just made things so much smoother do you know my dress has a stain on it like this is literally the worst The stain on the dress part kind of threw me off, but it just feels like the smallest things set her off.For example, Dom is looking for a spare key somewhere and Mackenzie is telling him that she honestly hasn't seen it.

And then he finds it rather quickly, right under the bed.And he lets her know.And she responds, oh, damn.And he says, you could have looked.To which Mackenzie says, you're really getting the attitude.I love how you always just try to cause a little argument, like how you like, how about you just leave me alone if you want to try and cause an argument like the fuck?

Okay, I'm more just f***ing with you because I know you didn't look for them, but cool, get mad lol.Talk to me when you're a little bit more mentally stable.Thanks, bye!You know what?I'm not even gonna entertain that comment.Actually, what do you mean mentally stable?

I mean, no normal person just tries to start an argument out of that, so I assumed you're not mentally stable right now.I won't say that it's always Mackenzie starting arguments, but she does seem hypersensitive to things, lots of things or like everything.She also just like hates the heat.She complains to Dom, my room is literally hot as shit.My mom will not fix it.So I don't want to be sweating and tweaking all night.

Like she literally will not turn down the air conditioning.She said she turned it on and it was literally on 70.So I turned it down to like 62.Like what the fuck?Why is it so fucking hard for her to turn the AC on?Like I can't even touch my skin because I sweat instantly.

Her slow ass turned it off.

Daisy's on 70.Yeah, she's saying it's so hot.

Yeah, but also like the power bill She also complains to Dom that her parents keep trying to get her to watch family videos with them and she tells Dom I really hope my parents get the mental help they need someday Like if I don't want to watch the family videos yesterday, why would I want to watch them tonight?She later complains.I love you, too.My house is literally freezing Like I don't know what the fuck is wrong with everyone in this house.I just asked my momwhy is it never comfortable in this house?

My room is literally like the Arctic or fucking 100.She also complains to Dom in depth about how much she hates her family texting.I'm hungry, but I don't want to go downstairs because my family sucks.In another text thread, she complains, well, I was trying to fucking nap, but my dad had to go downstairs and turn the TV up to 800.So now I'm fucking awake.I fucking hate this house.

I'm pissed.Of course, my dad mind too weak to turn down the TV.What do you mean?He's too stupid, like weak minded.I'm just bumping right now.So he just left it super loud?

Mackenzie says, I guess as retaliation, that she left her speaker volume all the way up.Dom is still confused about the TV, asking if it's really that loud.He's like, it was that loud to wake you up?Bro, it was on like 70.Later, she complains to Dom through text, my mom just ruined the vacation.What happened?

One, weather gonna be fucked like the whole time.She dead ass asked me if I wanted to go to Lake Michigan or Pennsylvania, which she spells P -E -N -S -I -V -A -I -N -Y -A.I don't even know what that is, okay?And she says, why the fuck would I wanna go there?Both shitholes.Dom's like, why can't we just cancel and go another time?

So all of them were gonna go, like the Shibillas were gonna go on this huge family vacation for Mackenzie's birthday.which is like kind of crazy for a birthday, right?And then Dom was going to join.But then they found out that in Florida, there's like hurricane season.Oh, God.God forbid people are losing their homes and their lives, OK?

Because it's a hurricane season.But she's like, now my vacation is f**ked, right?So then my mom is suggesting Lake Michigan or whatever state that she spells that I think is supposed to be Pennsylvania.And she's like, why the f**k do I want to go there?And so he's like, OK, well, why can't we just cancel and go another time then when the weather is better in Florida?And she says, cancel my birthday vacation?

I am going on vacation for my birthday, and I'm leaving for a date.and it's going to be somewhere fucking hot.I'm not going to Florida if it's going to rain the whole time, I'm so mad.If a vacay, not planned by tonight, I'm for real done with this whole family.They really just gave me the worst birthday I've ever had.Crazy, like unreal.

You can't make this up in a movie.

If it were in a movie, I'd say, who acts like that?That's so dumb.Babe, they can't predict the weather a month away and it's going to be nearly impossible to book a vacay in a night.Buy a ticket to Cali for me and you right now.I have like $300.He doesn't respond.

Dom, do it right now.Book a flight somewhere.My mom said she's not booking a new one.Babe, a flight to Cali for both of us will be like $1 ,100.Okay?Plus Ubers and stuff, we might as well go to Universal or just plan it another day because I don't know if we can even stay with Kyle right now.

So he's saying like they have a friend in California, but like they don't know if they can stay there.But even on top of that, Ubers, food, all of that.OK, don't come on vacation then.Fun.Dom tries to reason with her that there's not going to be a lot of options in this type of short notice.He says it seems like everywhere on the East Coast is going to rain.

She responds, well, I didn't know nobody knew that there was more than one coast.Wow, was that supposed to be a smart -ass joke?Okay, I just won't help then.You weren't helping at all.You never started helping.I was just talking to your mom, trying to figure out what we can do.

Of course you were talking to that crazy bitch.She won't do shit to help.That's how I know you weren't helping at all, the fact that you were texting her.She's the one booking it.Except she's not, and she's just sitting in her fucking room.Dom tries to get her to be open to Michigan.

Northern Michigan is actually super, super nice in the summer.Do not text me.Why the f**k would I go to some s**t ass Michigan?Literally never say that s**t again.What the f**k?What the f**k?

And again, it doesn't seem like there's a plan, but Mackenzie is still sending pictures of swimsuits, asking which one she should bring.And I'm like, I thought you were going to ask me.on vacay Okay, mind you she's like piss because there's a hurricane and then you know text messages from her dad read you need to work with us and Going to the West Coast is out of the question We do not have the time or the money to get there We would get there and then have to turn around and leave to which Mackenzie responds to her dad Steve There's a lot more places in between we could go to I'm never going to forget this They do end up going on this cursed birthday trip at this point.And it goes as well as you can imagine, okay?They do make it to Florida.It's not a hunky -dory time.

Based off context clues in the text, it seems like Mackenzie and her parents get into a fight.Mackenzie is upset that Dom isn't backing her up.She texts him, you're supposed to be on my side the fuck.Like, what the fuck is wrong with you?Do you have issues?Dom is confused.

He has no clue what's going on.And he tells her, I didn't know you were mad.Hope you know you're part of the reason why my birthday sucks.Are you slow?Literally do not talk to me, LMAO.I didn't know someone interrupting you made you that mad.

That's my bad.But you did threaten to stab me in the eye.Yeah, I don't care.Happy you ruined this trip.Thanks so much for making me feel special.Like y 'all suck for real.

Dom argues back.You're mean to me.Yeah, when you swear at me and threaten me, like that's mean.They eventually try to reach a compromise with Dom, threatening to leave to Palm Bay.Like, Dom is like, if you're gonna keep being mean to me, I'm gonna go to my friend in Palm Bay.And he says, just don't threaten to kill me.

Otherwise, I'll probably dip to Palm Bay.LMAO.Okay, then.So you just out here complaining.LOL.Get the f**k out then.

Go to Palm Bay the f**k.Then go.If you threaten me, I will.It's not normal to threaten people.Dom tells Mackenzie, I'm done with this conversation.You have only been mean to me and have tried to hurt my feelings.

I wasn't mean to you.I was mean after you didn't have my back.How are you not getting this?You threatened to stab me in the eye after you didn't have my back.Are you slow?And this is like all in caps.

That's how I'm emphasizing.certain words later Mackenzie decides she's not mad at Dom but rather it's her dad she texts him babe I just want to go home I hate everyone like I've just been fucking here like he picks fights with me any chance he can get how the fuck you supposed to be want to be nice after he just said all that to me like he's been a dick to me the whole time the whole time Dom says babe you've both been wrong you kind of dog him how did I dog him?Calling him five?Didn't know that was offensive.You said something like, shut up, I'm having a conversation with Danny.Look, babe, you're both throwing gasoline in each other's fires.

Yeah, I've been saying I'm having a terrible vacay and they just don't care.

They've had a terrible one too, babe.

I'm trying to make the best of this and everyone keeps ruining it.It's literally them though.You got your whole family here and they all care.You can't throw it away.No Dom, I hate them all.No, you don't babe.

You're just mad.No, I really do.Like I love them but I'm getting the fuck away and I never want to be around them like ever.I'm for real.I'm about to leave.I'm done with this vacay.

Like fuck this.Fuck this.This vacay is fucking ruined.Also the fact that she still like keeps calling it a vacay was irking me.Dom tries to reason with Mackenzie about her dad.Babe, you love him.

You appreciate him for what he does.He does nothing.He could be way worse, babe.He does a lot.He has a lot of pressure.Lmao, pressure for what?

That's probably why he lashes out.I hate men.Babe, you will never understand what it's like to be your dad.Give him a break.Like the fact that Dom stood up for Steve more than Mackenzie ever did and Steve is out here saying like his daughter is a perfect angel is crazy to me. the whole vacation seems to go wrong and i think that's just kind of who mackenzie is you know those people where everything around them goes wrong and like sometimes that does happen to really good people and like you feel lots of sympathy but then there are a lot of people where it's like you look at it and you say oh well everything goes wrong not because you're unlucky but because you make everything go wrong like of course you're having a miserable time when you're the one makingeverything miserable.

Like that's the type of person Mackenzie strikes me as.For example, Dom has a bathroom malfunction at some point because the toilet malfunctions and Mackenzie is just pissed off that he's taking so long in the bathroom, even though he's explaining to her the situation, why it's taking him a second to clean himself up.And she says, ruining my vacation.There's toilet paper.Not sure if you know that use Toilet paper.Why am I telling you how to wipe like a fucking four -year -old Kenzie?

I have King toilet water on my privates.So he said like the toilet flushed Randomly and it like splashed everywhere Go without me leave like they're at a restaurant at Universal like go leave like I don't care I'm gonna call the cops so they can help you.I'm so mad at you.Like you really did this hell No, what the fuck?Like now everyone's just waiting.No one's leaving like we're literally waiting for you and this is all in caps They won't go without you.

What the fuck is wrong with you literally acting like a baby Do I need to come in and wipe your ass?I check the timestamps only nine minutes has passed So I don't know what her issue is like, holy cow.You need to get a grip.I'm getting stressed out She's texting answer right now Do I need to come and wipe your ass or we will have an issue get the fuck off Dom get the fuck off off literally a child oh my god oh my god the fuck we about to have some issue oh my god oh my god but then things are fine later because he asks where she's at and she responds harry potter i'm in line for butterbeer the producers of netflix ask mckenzie in her jailhouse interview did you ever feel in your arguments with dom rage that you couldn't control no it was never like that it was always just more like I was, you know, when we'd argue, I would get sad because he didn't really have good communication skills.And we'd be cool after that day or a couple hours later.We'd be watching movies on the couch, eating popcorn.

She would just get sad.She would just get sad.I'm so confused.One mutual friend says Dom and Kenzie's relationship, they were just always arguing.That's how it was.And me and another friend, we're always talking about it.

We're like, bro Dom, he has so much going for himself.Why doesn't he stick up to Kenzie?He can do so much better.Dom shares this story of a trip that she took with Dom and Kemzee.

Dom is telling someone?

No, Dom's mom is telling the police.So it was going to be, you know, the whole family, Dom's family.She's like, I took off work.We were all going to go canoeing.So I packed snacks for the canoeing, the cooler and all of that.So we had a bag that had chips and, you know, the sort of things that was like super, um, you didn't like want to put it in stuff because they would get crushed.

So like usually on a road trip, you save them for last, like the chip bag, and then it goes in the backseat, whatever.Well, we forgot.She ruined the entire canoe trip.She sat there and threw a fit that we had forgotten those chips, that she had nothing to eat.And I kept saying, we're enjoying our day.There's no fighting.

We're going to find you something to eat.We even stopped at this bar.She was not satisfied with anything.Like no, nothing.It did not matter what I had.She did not have those chips.

So it was like, she's explaining like how they went on this whole, almost like goose chase to find her something that she was happy enough eating.And Dom was just stressed about it the whole time because she was so pissed about those chips.And she was very crafty on how she would do stuff because she would stick her digs.You know, me and Angelo were in a canoe.They're there.She would stick her digs in her comments so that we couldn't hear.

But it was a big tantrum.I mean, everything was a dig.You forgot the chips.You forgot.OK, I get it.Do you know what I mean?

But it's not enough to have a tantrum and ruin the day.Dom's brother Angelo later tells the police that Mackenzie would go through self -esteem issues and Dom would want to break up with her.Because she would quote, not constant, but there'd be every couple of weeks or so where they were almost breaking up.then she'd be threatening to hurt herself.Stuff would arise and it would really never, it just wouldn't take a healthy course to be honest with you.The officer is like, what do you mean?

She would go crazy.Like what's crazy?There are times where she called Dom and said, if you break up with me, I'm going to kill myself.Word for word.And then Dom, he was like a very, very selfless person.And he did.

I mean, obviously they were together for a long time and they built a relationship.They cared for each other deeply, even though Dom did care for her deeply.I'm not disputing any of that, but he's seen all the toxicness that she was putting onto him.So he's saying Dom would try to tell Mackenzie that he would be there for her after their breakup.So you don't have to do anything drastic.He's going to be there, but he just can't be in this relationship anymore.

And Mackenzie would just keep coming back, quote, I'll kill myself.essentially is what Angelo is alleging.Angelo says that he actually was very close with Mackenzie in the very beginning of Mackenzie and Dom's relationship to the point where she would go to Angelo to get comfort whenever Dom and her would fight.But Angelo says that he started distancing himself because quote, I just seen that she's very very selfish.He says he couldn't deal with it anymore.So he blocked her number.

Like that's how bad it got.Like he had to go and block her number because she would blow up his phone non -stop when she couldn't get in contact with Dom.He'd be in the car with Dom and Dom is driving so he doesn't pick up his phone and they're just going to go get like food and she's just blowing up both their phones.Dom's brother says he witnessed fights and he feels like, quote, honestly, he'll be like so nice.Dom will be so nice and accommodating as possible to stop the fight.And she'd be one of those people that is just petty, like petty, petty, petty, petty.

And again, normally I would take anything that one party's sibling says about a relationship with a grain of salt.But then like, I did see all those text messages.And I'm like, this seems like more or less, at least accurately,in my opinion about his characterization and then she'll be it you know in between fights text Dom's brother like in between fights she'll be like hey can you do my homework for me I don't want to do my math homework why would I She really lives in that universe that everyone just revolves around her.

Yeah.

And then for some fights, he says, you know, they would have to call Kenzie's parents to tell them to come get her because she's refusing to leave being toxic.They pick her up.Dom's brother is like.I mean, by the way, these fights are always started by Kenzie, and then, you know, they ask her to leave, and then the parents have to come pick her up, somehow she'll make it back, and she'll be pounding on the windows, demanding to be let back in.He says that her behavior started escalating as she got older.

He says, quote, go through arguments properly, doesn't know how to do stuff healthily, but her behavior never really got better.To me, it almost just got more drastic.Like before, when she was younger, 9th, 10th grade, she would go home when they were fighting or whatever and then be texting him saying, oh, I'll hurt myself, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah.And then he's like, okay, please don't, we can work this out, whatever, you know?

But then when it came to the point where she's 16, she's driving now, she's 17, she's even older, she's driving back over, she's banging on the windows, her behavior became more erratic.Maybe also because she had more ways to let it out and to show that.

I think that's exactly what's going on.Maybe the parents talk to her this way ever since she was little, and maybe the parents just chop it up as that's just how she, what she says.She doesn't do anything.I don't know.Sounds like the dad even thinks it's cute to talk like that.Texting like slow AF.

You just unlocked something in my brain.Okay.So I, one thing I did notice in all the jail calls, right.Is Mackenzie, every time she sneezes, she like, she does have like a, like soft sneeze.It's like, achoo, achoo, right?And almost like every single

time without fail, Natalie will just be like, oh, that's so cute.Which I don't know why, like I didn't really care for it, but that just like reminded me of it.It's just so random.Like the way she's talking to her, I mean, she's a convicted murderer, right?

And she sneezes, the mom goes, that's so cute.There's nothing cute.At all.

About this whole situation.You're on a recorded line.

Yeah.

From Securis, the jail line.

Like, is that her default?Like, she's just always there.That's so cute.

Yeah, everything is like very...Mackenzie will be talking about how she ate ramen because she doesn't like the prison food.And then, you know, the mom will be like, well, is it better than last time?And she's like, yeah, I made it in the shower this time.Oh, that's good.That's good.

Well, did you have lunch?What was lunch?

Oh, look, I just ate ramen.

Was it better than last time?

No, I don't even know what it was.I just ate ramen.

No, I mean, did you make it better than you did last time?

Yes, I used the shower this time to make it.

And that was much better?

Mhm.

Good.

And I'm like, hey, so nothing about this situation is good.But Angelo does tell investigators, quote, there was multiple times even in the month of July that he was trying to break up with her.A couple days before the crash, she was hitting him on the highway while driving down the highway.He had to pull his car over on the side of the highway, not in a very safe parking spot either, and have somebody else come pick them up and drive the car home because he was scared that she was going to make him crash.And that was just prior to the day before the actual crash where she was driving.

Prior to the day before the crash?

Yeah, so it's just he's saying like it was very recent to the crash.I think it's pretty clear the relationship between Mackenzie and Dom is not good.It's always been rough.I mean going through all their fights, it seems like in the very beginning, the biggest issue was that Dom didn't feel like he had enough space in the relationship.He would complain that he just couldn't even breathe for an hour.which I can see.

And I know, like, some people saw the beginning parts of their text messages and felt like Dom was the mean one, and this was her reacting to his meanness.I think, like, I did see a bunch of TikToks like that.And just collectively seeing it, I would say that they're both teenagers in a relationship trying to figure out how a relationship works.But it does seem like Like she does not give him a moment alone.And some people just need time to decompress in a relationship.And I feel like that's kind of like, that's a lot of people, but it just, it's not happening.

And there is a cheating thing.Now, it's unclear how exactly it happened, but Dom argues that it was all while they were on break.So he's, you know, throughout, he's arguing that this is technically not cheating because they were on break.Mackenzie argues that it was while they were still together.But it does seem like Dom did, in fact, have relations with another girl, Faith, who is a friend since middle school.says on the netflix docs and she's throughout the jail calls you know she's there so she's a big supporter of mckenzie faith says i told case is a supporter of mckenzie like a friend and supporter because she's in the jail call she talks to mckenzie on the phone in jail And Faith slept with Don?

No, no, no.Faith is saying in the Netflix documentary, quote, I told Kenzie, hey, your boyfriend just cheated on you with one of our best friends.I felt terrible for Kenzie.I mean, it sucks to be cheated on.Moving forward in their relationship, it caused a lot of trust issues.Heard it be like, hey, who are you with?

What are you doing?This is clearly told from Mackenzie's point of view since she's DMing her friend about it later.So I found these Instagram DMs and she DMs her.He cheated on me four times in the beginning.Two times were with my best friend.Bro, it like f***ed me up.

You would die.I'm gonna tell you their story.I was a freshman.He was a junior.Literally her name was redacted.Um, literally her name was redacted.

She would leave my house at night and say she's going to go to another friend's house, but instead she would walk to my boyfriend's and f**k him.She didn't even tell me, he did.And he was publicly cheating, literally like they had gym together and would fuck around in school and no one told me.It's insane.In 2020, about a year before the crash, Mackenzie writes to Dom, when you cheated on me, the girls didn't come up to you, you went up to them.To which Dom responds, they came to me.

He argues, again, it happened when they were on break and quote, you bring up me cheating like three times a week.Maybe because you cheated on me." Mackenzie tells him the energy he needs to have is, quote, you hate all bitches but me.Do you know how many boys I ignore?Like 30 a day.I'm famous.

I need my views.

What is she talking about?

So like following people on Instagram.She's like, you don't need to follow girls, but I need to like follow people and interact with people online because I'm famous and I need my views.She wants him to text a girl, quote, but you can't even text a bitch to get off your dick.I don't even have her number.Get it.She also goes into his phone to secretly block girls that are liking his photos and she sees nothing wrong with that.

But Dom tells her, I get no f**king privacy, like f**k you.One TikTok she posts, she's reacting to what she believes to be a funny comment that reads, So I don't know if there was a lot of trust established in their relationship at this point.But one of their more recent fights is Dom seems to be getting fed up with Mackenzie hanging out with this one particular friend of Mackenzie's.Her, let's call her G. Dom believes G is a sex worker, and he doesn't like his girlfriend hanging out with her.Which normally, I am not a fan of any partner dictating who you should or should not be friends with, and I also feel like someone's occupation is not some sort of benchmark for their morality.But I guess on an objective level, maybe it could be warranted to not want a 17 year old girl to hang out with a sex worker, but maybe that's still something her parents should be concerned about, and getting a

about, but instead of Dom.DM messages between, this is around like June 8th, 2022.This is the month before Dom and Davion's deaths.Mackenzie messages Dom, do I have to pull up?I would answer.I would answer.

I would answer.Let me know if you're actually ending this.She video chats Dom.He doesn't respond.Like this is, you know, this is a pattern that we've been seeing.She sends him 10 messages all back to back.

Let me know if you're actually ending this.Answer now.She's freaking out on him and he just asks her, are you going to chill with thoughts?Which side note, again, I don't necessarily like the word usage here to talk about someone's alleged maybe occupation, but I digress.Mackenzie tells him, you forced me and made me choose between you and my friend.You are being abusive.

She tries to call him.He doesn't respond.He DMs, are you going to chill with thoughts, specifically prostitutes?Again, not the best word usage.Are you going to show love, compassion and make me feel special and chase me?Yes, of course I will.

I'm going to go out to eat with my friends when they ask me to go or go roller skating.That does not make me one of them.He responds, I'm not going to chase you if it's going to be toxic.It's not toxic.Kenzie, you choose the thoughts, we done.Babe, I'm sorry.

Mackenzie starts demanding he stops hanging out with friends she doesn't like, to which he responds, my friends ain't prostitutes, babe.And you need to unfollow every girl you follow too.I don't care if you, quote, knew them your whole life.If I'm not allowed to be friends with redacted, okay, then unfollow every boy you follow.Mackenzie asks, and you need to buy me something really nice if I'm not allowed to be friends with them and I don't follow boys.They start arguing about who's cheating on who, and if it was cheating, if it was during break or not, and Mackenzie tells him, whatever Dom, go be single, then you obviously never loved or cared about me if it's easy to treat me like this.

But instead of letting things go, she DMs him again.Why the f*** did you just stop answering?SheShe tries to video call him again, but again, this is near the end of their relationship.Dom is standing his ground and is telling her, you will get influenced by these people, whether you think you will or not.Mackenzie doesn't like that.

She responds, no, I'm not.I have a mind of my own.I'm not a follower.I'm a leader.You know that.It's a fact.

Why aren't you letting me have a mind of my own?Kenzie, it's a proven fact.Why do you think you and me are exact same by now?We always had lots of things in common, but now we literally say the same shit, we finish each other's sentences.Part of that is because we are only around each other, you know?Like, we eat the same foods now, we listen to the same music, have the same interests.

Like, I want you to have friends, but I don't want five out of five of them to be prostitutes, because I know you're gonna start acting different, because you did this last time when you were with her.I seen it slowly happen last time.It's factual.Well, I'm a new me every day.I'm never gonna do that again, and you know that.Do what?

Exactly.What does that mean?Dom is hesitant.I don't know, Kenzie.Well, if you love me and want to be with me, you can trust me and believe that.Dom responds, what happened last time, dot, dot, dot.

That was so long ago.That was not me.Just like you're not a cheater anymore, even though you did last month.That was nine months ago, not three years ago.Insinuating that whatever Kenzie did was nine months ago, and what he did was three years ago.Later, Dom says, no, Kenzie, last time you started chilling with G, you sold your body.

Now you're hanging with multiple of them.That was over eight months ago.There have been conversations online that Mackenzie was working as a sex worker before the crash, which there is no evidence of.I do believe the police went down that rabbit hole as well.But when you have messages like those, it makes you speculate.Prosecutors later have a detailed section in their brief where they write possible prostitution, pandering obscenities.

Here's everything that I found going through the FOIA about sex work or potential sex work.In an Instagram DM, which we had to comb through like 2 ,000 pages for the Instagram data for the FOIA, she and one of her Instagram friends are talking about how they got new Dior bags.The friend says, I need a few sugar daddies.Mackenzie responds, real talk though, I want a foot one.In an Instagram DM, April 1st, 2022, Mackenzie gets a DM from a guy named Mark.He asks, would you send me a picture of your belly button?

LOL, how much?How much what?Do you mean money?Mark sends an example picture and writes, I would like to have a picture like this.

Who is Mark?Like a rando?

Yeah.Very close to your belly button and in good quality.Maybe like $30 for a good quality photo.What do you think about that?No, $30 is way too much.I would spend max $10 for it.

It's just a picture.My friends sell it for $50.So $30 was generous.I don't care how much your friends send it.It's just a picture with an effort of like one minute and you show your body to the world anyway.I don't, but thank you.

Stay weird.I just have a belly button fetish, though.It's okay if you don't want to do it for 10.

Have a nice day.March 2022, she gets a message from a random Instagram account.Can I spoil you?Yes, I'm cool with it.My snap is Big Cheese Tokyo.Hit me up and I'll take care of you.

Then March 20th, 2022, some guy named Gary Peterson, the CEO, literally, that's like Gary Peterson, the CEO, DMs Mackenzie, how do you manage to being so hot?Hi, beautiful, sorry if this is gonna offend you.Will you be interested in weekly payment allowance of $600 to be my online sugar baby?No intimacy involved, just your online companionship?To which Mackenzie responds, hey, in all caps, I'm interested.How do I know this is legit?

Another DM exchange is between another guy, person, individual, I don't know, Mackenzie.They message her.Hello, baby.Hey, how are you doing?Good, how about you?Where are you from, baby?

Ohio.It's cold here.Okay, baby.Have you ever heard about sugar mama?Mackenzie stops responding.

Have you heard of Sugar Mama?

Yeah, I know.It's kind of weird, right?Yeah.These are just messages that I found.Then another message between another Snapchat user and Mackenzie, where they ask her, can we do this or what?Mackenzie responds, four bands, which means $4 ,000, to which the other person responds, you can have four straps of $1, lol.

She responds, $1 ,000.You finger that for me and reach the destination while I'm doing it.Then, yeah, I'm down.Are you a squirter?And she responds, send $1 ,000.We can link anything you want for $2 ,500.

Underage.

Yeah, they respond.Um, you can get cash money in person.No fucking way.I send you anything up front especially a thousand dollars lol So let me know when and where you want to do it a thousand dollar pics two thousand dollars to link you for real doing meets Okay, if you're taking a month between each response, then i'm not interested She reiterates two bands to link 1k for pics link meaning in person.Yes Mackenzie is snapchatting this individual july 15th 2022 like 16 days before the crash.You have Amazon wishlist or cash shop or needing help with anything, she doesn't.

Another message Mackenzie sends out is apparently from July 19th where she says, send me a band and we can link up, LOL.The police did find several nude photos and videos in her phone, but there doesn't seem to be a clear indication that she sent it to anyone in exchange for funds.So it doesn't appear that anything really came out of this rabbit hole.However, judging from the context of the text messages between Dom and Mackenzie, it feels like they're arguing about Mackenzie potentially being paid by a guy to do things to her feet.And maybe Dom is just under the impression.Maybe Mackenzie lied.

I don't know.know.Like, we don't know, these are just messages.But messages from January 25th, 2022 read, from Mackenzie to Dom, you realize I'm just gonna go get a sugar daddy and start selling feet pics and I'm gonna be doing just fine, so this is really your last chance to handwrite me an apology or fix this or we're really done.Then March 5th, 2022, Dom texts Mackenzie, yeah, you let a dude fuck your feet for money like six months ago.Mackenzie responds, we were broken up.

We were broken up and it was feet lmao Once again, then leave then june 8th 2022 dom writes to her.Yeah, I love you But last time you started hanging out with her you literally let her sell your body to that random dude And she hooked you up with the dude We were broken up and it was just my feet.Do you think about it more than I think about it?You ran off and became a prostitute because I don't personally think it's bad.But if you do and we're together, then I'm not going to do it.You could never tell your family you were a prostitute because it's only my business and it's not a prostitution.

June 25th, 2022, Dom tells me, Kenzie, Kenzie, there is always going to be problems if you're hanging out with someone who got a dude to fuck your feet for money.There are more messages from the month of June.This is again in June, the month before they're killed.Dom is really putting his foot down on the matter.He even unfollows Mackenzie on Instagram and he stops responding to her and she's freaking out while he remains relatively calm.She is video calling him.

Why the fuck aren't you answering?Are you just reading this?You can't chill with prostitutes.And again, the word usage here is not preferred, but she responds, answer, what the fuck?Answer he says he unfollowed her because he doesn't want her messages showing up in his primary message inbox on Instagram Because I don't want your messages in my primary.I didn't I I didn't think you'd hit me up on here I thought you was gonna be done.

I thought we broke up.I unadded you on everything Mackenzie is freaking out in all seriousnessif we are done Let me know now because I'm so over this manipulation You would be so good at it too because you read the book on it So, you know exactly how to manipulate people Kenzie if you want to hang with prostitutes, we're done He tells her that one specific friend especially quote She tried to make you her prostitute sidekick type shit bring you on her dates and shit.That's weird So no, you can't chill with them.She does not bring me on her dates.She has never she did before and that dude bought you a shirt or something like that like so weird so it sounded like something happened right nine months ago yeah it seems like his like if i had to give him the benefit of the doubt it doesn't seem like his qualm about this friend is based off her occupation but more so that the friend is asking or you know, influencing Mackenzie to do.

Or like involving her in specific.

But she's underage.

Yeah, exactly.

This is a crazy, crazy, crazy crime.

Yes.

For whoever the party was involved in this whole operation.

Police do, police do, um, pull Cellbrite data from her text messages with this friend.And I didn't find anything alarming in them.

So the text message doesn't show anything.

Yeah, but the text messages was like.

So are you saying they don't, they don't show anything?There's no solid evidence that this happened.

There's no solid evidence that this happened.It could have happened and the police don't find it worth their while since Mackenzie is already convicted of being, you know.

Right, right, right.But I'm saying like whoever the dude is.

Yeah.So she says, and again, like I said, I don't know if there's proof of this happening.I just know that they're having a conversation as if it really happened.And Mackenzie says she tried and it didn't work because I wasn't into it.You said I could go.I asked you first.

I let you make your own decisions.No, you told me I could go.So you're not allowed to hold that up.my head and that man didn't even touch me Kenzie I'm just saying they get into another fight But interestingly, it seems like Mackenzie's tone is softening down compared to a month or two prior Maybe she knows that Dom isn't putting up with it anymore.I don't know but he tells her Kenzie I stand by what I say.She says where did Dom go the Dom I love this is not you.

I know you know that too.He says honestly, I do And I think he's referring to him standing by what he says.I know you're sad and hurt on the inside, so you're hurting me.You're making me sad.You just ruined your four year relationship in a day and you don't care.He responds, I got to make it to the top.

This is not how you do it.You hurt your number one fan.You should trust.So he's saying you should trust that I know best.I made you who you are.I helped you grow into a loving person because if you knew me at all, you would let me make my own decision like I let you make yours.

Who's saying right now?

Mackenzie.So Mackenzie's like, let me make my own decisions about who I'm friends with.It appears they make up.But like I said, with what everyone's been saying about their relationship, a lot of people believe that Dom was going to break up with Mackenzie, if not soon, maybe eventually.And they think that's why Mackenzie crashed the car.She knew he was over her.

He wasn't going to stick around while she just did whatever she did.But Mackenzie and her parents refute this.They argue, sure, they fought, but they were just in a young relationship where both of them were still learning.But ultimately, they loved each other and were probably going to get married.They believe that there is no way that Mackenzie was going to crash the car intentionally and that Dom was going to break up with her.They think none of it makes sense.

Steve.Mackenzie's dad in the Netflix doc says it's tragic what happened to those two boys, but think if it was your kid What if Mackenzie was yours?I'm gonna fight for my daughter and we have ironclad evidence that disputes what was said in the trial in a more recentinterview with the Daily Mail, Natalie says, there were three people in the car.Anything could have happened.Anything.

So all these people creating all these stories, it's just a bunch of story time.Nobody knows.Natalie says Mackenzie's still behind bars, loves Dom, and struggles with the loss.But it's not like she sits there, you know, 24 -7, not sleeping, eating, thinking about Dom and what happened.Mackenzie has actually been pretty busy behind bars.She has roughly 36 misconduct tickets for violating prison rules, her alleged ex -girlfriends have come out onto TikTok to talk about dating her, and her jail calls have been leaking online.

Not even leaking, they've just been released in the public FOIA.all things that we are going to cover in the next part of this series.So with that being said, stay tuned, stay safe, and I will see you in the next one.