We'll Do It Live! — Sen. Lindsey Graham

Hey Bill O'Reilly here. Welcome to We'll Do It Live. Of course we're not doing it live. We're taping it but I say we're doing it live because that is the name of the long form program that we're giving you tonight. OK.

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Unbelievable guest because of Iran, and that is Senator Lindsey Graham. He's been in Congress on the Hill for more than 30 years. A lot of people don't know this, but the senator was jagged for the Air Force and he knows more about Iran than anyone and I'm saying that as someone who knows a lot about it myself. So this is not gonna be a boring conversation between two pinheads. We're gonna learn something here and it's very important that the world know what's really going

on. So Senator, thanks for taking the time. Hey, thanks a bunch. I'm your first politician?

Yeah, we do back and forth with the showbiz people.

You crash and burn, I'm sorry.

Yeah, but this is extremely important. So the word imminent is the problem here.

100%.

It's the problem. Right. Because Americans, they want to support anti-terror measures. I think most clear thinking people understand Iran is a terror nation. If it's not around, it's better for the world. I think they understand that.

They don't understand is, did we have to do this now? So there's two things I've learned. I'm 70. Vietnam has cast a great shadow over American foreign policy for a long time. Nobody wants to get into Vietnam. Iraq and Afghanistan have cast a long shadow over Mideast policy, and I can understand that. So everything we do, are we going down that road again?

And the answer is no. But we're not going to sit on the sidelines and watch Iran get a nuclear weapon. Imminent. Let me tell you what the facts are, and you tell me if it was imminent. Let me tell you what the facts are and you tell me if it was imminent. So Jared Kushner and Woodcuff are charged by the president to go to the Iranians and sit down and see if you can do a deal over their nuclear program. Now they've said for generations here, all we want is peaceful

nuclear power, countries enrich that have nuclear power. Why should we be different? Why should we be second class citizens? Why shouldn't we be allowed to enrich, like you do, for peaceful nuclear power? Well, the argument I would give back is that for about 20 years you've been cheating. You have not tried to develop a peaceful nuclear power program. Your enrichment program is well beyond what you need for peaceful purposes.

How do we know they're proceeding?

Because they said so. That comes in a minute. It's been pretty clear the IAEA, everybody has caught them having enrichment capability beyond what you need for commercial purposes. The most you need for commercial purposes is 20% uranium. There is no commercial need for 60%.

What does it take to make a weapon 90? So 20 is the outside of commercial. 60 is threshold weapons. 90 is weapons. Now the IAE, not me, has accused them.

This is the UN.

Yeah, the UN dudes, not Lindsey Graham. Have found them cheating on three different occasions, where they had secret enrichment facilities designed to go well beyond 20. So they've been caught three times. And here's the question. Do you believe that they had a nuclear weapon they would use it? What do you say?

They'd do it, but they'd hand it off to somebody.

Okay, they would use it through a proxy.

Yep.

Why? Because they don't want to be obliterated.

No, I would say, do you believe Hitler wanted to kill all the Jews?

Yes.

Well, most people didn't until it was too late. So the first thing you got to do in my business, who are you dealing with? I'm sitting across from you. I know what I'm dealing with. Do you believe the guy on the other side actually wants peaceful nuclear power? Or does he actually want a bomb?

And if he wants one, what?

Well, I'm on record as saying the president did the right thing by launching this military action. And he did the right thing last June by taking out their big nuke facility. However, there is a legitimate debate going around and you know it because of

this guy who resigned. Yeah, Joe Kent. We'll be glad to talk about that. Who said it's not imminent? Well, let's look at the facts. So let's get back to World War. Trump says go talk to the Iranians and here's what he offered them. You can have a small enrichment program to save face. We don't want to humiliate you. But it can be designed to go beyond small. Right? Right. And we will guarantee you spent fuel supply forever for free. And they turned it all down. Why? Well, because they don't want a nuclear power program. They want the capability to make a weapon because they're religious Nazis. And if you don't believe that you're wrong. And those in the 30s who thought Hitler just was

trying to get more German territory, trying to right Versailles, right wrongs, you're wrong. I don't know why people want to kill all the Jews, but Hitler did. I don't know why he believed the Aryan race had to be the master race, but he did. I don't know why these nutjobs in Iran want to purify Islam, but they do. I don't know why they want to kill all the Jews, but they say they do. And I think they would kill us. So that's where I'm at.

Imminent. So you don't know that they would have a nuclear weapon in three months. You say whenever they got it, they would use it.

But I'll say two weeks. Now, what makes it imminent? So let me tell you why Joe Kent doesn't know what he's talking about. So during the conversation about, will you take this once in a lifetime deal to have all the peaceful nuclear power you want on very generous terms, they said no. And during the course of the conversation, they made a fatal mistake. They told Kushner and Whitcuff, oh, by the way, we have 460 kilograms of uranium enriched

to 60%. Now why would they say that? There is no commercial purpose for 60%.

So why would they say it?

I'll tell you in a minute. The difference between 60 and 90 is two weeks, not three months. You can blend 60 to 90 literally in two weeks. I think they were trying to blackmail and intimidate Trump. They thought it was Obama and Biden. We're going to give you a big secret here. We're this close to a nuclear weapon. What are you going to do about it? Why would they do that when he took out their big nuke facility? I can't answer that question. I'll tell you what they did. I think this is what they did. They told us that we're this close to a nuclear weapon. If you don't negotiate on

our terms, we're going to break out. And they said something even more disturbing. We're not going to give you diplomatically what you can't take militarily. So they went back to Trump. And I'll tell you what Obama and Biden would have done. We'll get to them. Okay, but this is in the last Geneva meeting with Witkoff and Kushner. This is in the Iranians, and they're on a record, so there's no two sides to the story. Right. Saying, look, we're not gonna give up our... Which you can't take. Right. We're not gonna give it up. They had to know, though,

they being the mullahs in charge, that President Trump is not a weak

man. They clearly didn't.

I don't know about that.

Well I can tell you this, when they told us we're at 60, we can go to 90, what Trump did was midnight hammer. He blew the crap out of their enrichment capabilities so they couldn't go to 90. That's imminent. So to Joe Ken and anybody else watching, when the Iranians told us out of their own mouth,

they had enough 60% uranium to make 10 bombs that they could get-

Within two months.

Within two weeks, not two months. Okay. Say 460 kilograms at 90 is 10 nuclear bombs.

So that's imminent.

To me it's imminent.

Well, the head of counter-terrorism says, is 10 nuclear bombs. So that's imminent. To me it's imminent. Well, the head of counter-terrorism says it wasn't imminent.

He's got the same info you have. No he doesn't. He's lying. Why? Why would he lie? Well, why did he say the Jews drug us into it? Because he doesn't like Israel having influence.

Yeah, well, no, he's saying, you you know if the Jews weren't around we'd all be safe. This letter of resignation was full of misinformation and anti-semitism. You so you think it's him not liking the state of Israel? No I don't. I can't explain why people say things like that. You need to talk to him. But when it comes to the the imminent part he was dead wrong. The truth of the matter is, they did have 460 kilograms at 60. They could go to 90 in literally two weeks, enough material to make 10 bombs. If that's not imminent, what would be?

And number one, anybody out there, prove I'm wrong. Prove that I'm wrong. Say what I, prove that what I just said is not true. Well you have information that the folks don't have, but this guy Kent, he was sidelined even before. Yes, because he opposed the operation. And it looks like, yeah, and it looks like a personal thing. Sour grapes. He was one of the three people, maybe four,

opposed going in. J.D. Vance. I don't know what J.D. did. I like J.D., but I can say this. He's been consistent about Iran shouldn't have a nuclear weapon. You know, everybody says it.

But he doesn't want to.

Come on.

You know that he was a dissenting voice.

You know that.

I don't know it. I wasn't there, but I can tell you this. His actions about the regime were different than mine. He didn't see it at the same threat level I do, but I think he's been loyal to the president. Don't doubt it. He's been loyal. And he's a good man. But I will say this. The threat that Iran possesses is just not a nuclear capability. They've been funding terrorism at an industrial scale for years. I wrote a book on it. Okay, you wrote a book, you need to buy it.

There are 221 Marines killed in Beirut by Hezbollah. There is no Hezbollah without Iran. Hamas couldn't exist one day. There's no October 7th without Iran. The Houthis, all funded by Iran. The third thing they do is that, you know, they're trying to get a nuclear weapon. They fund terrorism and they've just been basically the worst people on the planet trying to disrupt the region for religious purposes. Isn't it a good thing that you have a dissenter like the vice president in an administration? Sure. I think so.

But there is a wing in the Republican Party who want any of this. They don't want any intervention overseas. You know the wing. It's called Chamberlain. The 1930s are being repeated. It's like World War II didn't exist. But why is that wing in the Republican Party? Why do they have currency? Why does Rand Paul? They've always been there. They've always been a part of the fabric. You talked to Rand Paul? Not lately, but at least he's consistent.

Would you say he's honest?

Who, Rand Paul?

Yeah. I'd say he believes what he says.

I'd say he believes every word of what he says, and I think he's just wrong, not he's

a bad person.

Yeah, okay, but he's not lying.

No, God no.

He is the most truthful. Bernie Sanders is a rampant. They believe what they say. Well, I believe what I say. What about Vance though, because this is important. So you got President Trump who's on your wavelength, who sees what you have just described to us. And I can't challenge that. And you did explain the imminent thing pretty well.

I have to give you some credit there, Senator.

These are the facts.

All right, so now I know why it's, two weeks is imminent.

Yes.

Now, you stand behind that 100%.

1,000%. Okay, there's no such thing as 1,000%. You know that, but we get the point. But Vance comes in and he urges caution to President Trump because of the unintended consequences. Before this information. Before? Yeah. Now see Trump. So you think you think Vance changed? I think

this changed everything. Now Trump had already hit him before. It's not like. And Vance didn't say anything but that was one shot. But what I want you to get out of this interview if anything put yourself in the seat of the president. You say one thing when you campaign, then you get to be president and they hand you a file.

What do you do? Can you imagine if President Trump did not act? They would have broken out. And if they had a nuclear deal—

And you're a thousand percent, they would have broken out.

Yeah. Yeah. Okay.

Because they told us they would.

Okay. But there are unintended consequences of this action in Iran. Yes, there are. Okay. So South Carolina is not a wealthy state. It's regular folks.

Right. All right. Okay. They're paying a buck more a down.

The cost of the war is real. Right. Do they understand? You know what? I think I'm doing a pretty good job of telling them he had no choice. See Israel has no choice. When somebody says I'd like to kill all the Jews, that brings up bad memories. And October 7th, there's a test run.

Right.

Here's what we're going to do. 1,200 Jews slaughtered in the most vicious way. I wrote the book. I gotta buy these books. Buy the guys books. I just gave it to you free. Okay, good. Put it on eBay. I will. I'm gonna pay you. I signed it. Ethics. All right, we're in South Carolina. We got the folks. I'm talking to the people. They're war weary. Gas prices are going up. Right. If you're making say $15 an hour. Right. You and your wife, couple, making 15-20 bucks an hour and you got three kids. Every dollar that goes into the gas tank is a dollar away from other things. I'm the first

person in my family to ever go to college. Neither one of my parents finished high school. When I was 21, my mom died. When I was 22, my dad died. We owned a liquor store, a bar, and a pool room and we grew up in the back. We were a happy family, a bar, and a pool room, and we grew up in the back. We were a happy family, but by no means wealthy. I know what it's like to be needing all the money you can, because the bills keep coming in no matter what.

So when my mom died, she was 17 years younger than my dad, I thought, well, that shouldn't happen, but it did. Okay, my dad's 60-something, and I've got a 13 year old sister. 15 months later he's dead and I got a 13 year old sister. My life turned upside down. So how do you pay the bills? How's she going to call? What are you going to do? I understand that. I understand that the world can change and it can be pulled out from you under a rug. Why

am I asking people to be patient and to pay a price now so they don't have to pay later? Because I believe it. It's not that I'm indifferent to what 20 cents a gallon means. Do you think you're going to be successful? Yes. You do. Okay, but Part B of the question is... If we're not, blame me because I deserve blame. If we're not successful you can blame me because nobody has advocated to take on this Iranian regime more forcefully than me. Okay, you have a corporate media which is lined up against Trump, okay, and it's personal. They're more afraid of him

being successful than the Ayatollah. That's right. I believe that. So you, Lindsey Graham, say, look, this is the reality of the situation. All Americans have to accept a little economic pain for the security that a destroyed Iran will bring. But then they turn on 80% of the media is telling them, no, this is BS. It never should have happened.

It's a really hard bill.

And there's no end game, this and this.

Every night they hear the same thing. Joe Kent. But 80% of Republicans are sticking with Trump, I think, because they just trust him. Everything he's saying is true. Every day gas prices go up, people are war-weary, they just remember the Mideast is just a bad place to be. I've got my work cut out for me and I am not giving an inch. I'm trying to stick with President Trump.

And here's what I believe. In about three or four weeks, no longer, we will have degraded the regime's capability to build missiles to hit us, to be the largest state sponsor of terrorism and to go back in the nuclear weapons business for a very, very long time. What is the outcome I'm looking for? And this will surprise everybody. It's not who takes over Iran next. I'm trying to defang Iran so there's no more October 7th to go back and finish what I tried

to start with Biden. Saudi Arabia recognizing Israel is the biggest... The Abraham Accords. Plus. Saudi Arabia recognizing Israel is well beyond the Abraham Accords. The center of Islam is Saudi Arabia. The Holy Mosque and Mecca and Medina. It is the center of Islam. If the center of Islam would recognize the one and only Jewish state Israel, it would effectively end the Arab-Israeli conflict that's been raging for a thousand

plus years. During Biden's administration, Joe Biden, I went to Saudi and Israel eight times with Tony Blinken, Brett McGurk, Jake Sullivan, to try to build on the Abraham Accords to get Saudi to come into the Abraham Accords and recognize Israel. October 7th was designed by Iran to stop that.

Stop it. Very good. Their worst nightmare is for the Arabs and the Jews to make peace, leaving them behind.

Right. Now Netanyahu, though, he's not easy guy to deal with.

Tell me about it. So let's play it out. So I'll tell you what I'm up to. I'm trying to get Iran weakened so we can get back to the peace table and finish the biggest deal on the planet, Saudi Israel. Now what does Saudi want, Bill, to recognize Israel?

I've been there more times than I count now. Three things. A defense agreement with the United States like we have with Japan and Australia. How many of you out there are ready to go to war with Saudi Arabia? They have a defense agreement. No one? Well, it's a tough sell. Now, I'm going to try to sell you why it's in your interest. If Trump says, I'm for it, most Republicans would be for the treaty. And Saudi Arabia's

change is real. Now, how do you get Democrats to vote for a defense agreement to go to war with Saudi Arabia that benefits MBS, Trump, and Bibi. There's only one way you do that. The second thing that MBS wants, Saudi, is a pathway to a Palestinian state irreversible with a capital in East Jerusalem. I don't know if that's possible after October 7th, but he wants a dignified life and solution to the Palestinian problem.

Well, the investment in Gaza would be a start to that.

This is, I'm hopeful, but why does MBS insist on that? The Arab world is on fire. They may not watch your show, but Al Jazeera's more.

No, they know, they know.

They know, right? So for him to recognize Israel after October the 7th, he literally could get killed. He's gotta get something he can show his people, the Wahhabists.

The Wahhabists are...

He's gotta...

He's...

Those are the problems.

Yeah, but just the average person, some very highly intelligent young woman is not really sold on Israel after this war. I've been to Saudi enough to know that the elite there have turned. So what does he have to do? He's got to prove to the Arab world that for recognizing Israel, I got something, everybody's got something.

The Palestinians, everybody's been pleading for the Palestinian cause on the left. Well, you may have a chance to get it. So what will I say? I will go to Bibi and say, listen, if we pull this off, you destroy Iran with our help. You wipe Hamas off the face of the earth.

Hezbollah has no money because Iran has changed. They're weakened. I would ask you to entertain helping MBS on the Palestinian solution. Push your own base. Find a solution so we can close this deal. That'd be hard for him but it's going to be hard for MBS. Now what role do I play? I'm going to support this treaty. I'm going to try to get Republicans to support it, but I'll go to Democrats and say, listen, I tried to help Biden. I'm asking no more of you than I'm asking myself.

I was willing to do this big deal on Biden's watch, and October 7th stopped it. You don't know this, but I'm about to tell you. At the end of October of 2023, we were going to announce a framework. That's how close we were. October 7th came in a nick of time. There'll come a time where Iran is defanged, not completely solved. Well, you say it's going to be in about six weeks. Three to four weeks.

Three to four weeks. Okay. And what am I looking for? When Saudi Arabia feels that Iran has weakened, that they can go back to the negotiating table, that's what this war is about for me.

Let's pivot to Europe. Let's go to Europe. So you would think, after all of the terror incidents that France has had and the-

If you're watching this show, you've learned more than 99% of the people about what we're up to. Well, that's what I do. That's what you do. What we're up to. Right. With the exception of Italy, all of the other big NATO countries are basically saying, look, you do it. It's not that they're

opposed to downgrading Iran. They're not. They want us to do everything.

Well, it's a little deeper now. It's not that, you know, be our guest, we hope you're successful, call us, let us know how it went. No, it's not our war, when you clean it up. Well, Sturmer said today,

once you get it under control, then we'll put some ships in.

Yeah, well.

Well, thanks, here. So, it's a little, you're dead right. They don't want their fingerprints on it, because a lot of them have very diverse populations that are not into anything called Israel.

So they're cowards.

I think they're just politicians running scared. That's cowards. I would think so. So let me just say this. If you're helping Trump or Bibi in Europe, you're probably not going to get it.

But the folks don't know that. I mean, they're not doing that.

Well, but I'm saying that animosity on the streets of Europe toward Israel and the United States is pretty high right now. So what happened that really has made things worse? Trump is asking for some help to keep the straits flowing. We get 1% of our oil from the Strait of Hormuz. Europe gets most of it. Right now, every European politician has not only said no, they've

publicly said no. France said today, we'll never get involved in this Iranian war. This was not our war. An Ayatollah with a nuclear weapon that would terrorize the region and the world and use it is your problem. Hitler became everybody's problem. So why did Macron say it? Because he's popular and I don't know other than that that he has a he's mad that we didn't tell him. If we told the Europeans we're going to attack Iran it'd leak down in five seconds. They can be upset, I get that, but what they can't do is publicly

undercut the president because Iran looks at this rift and they may try to hang on. And here's what's odd. Helping keep the straits open helps them, Europe more than it helps us, and here's how it's going to play out. If they keep screwing around with Trump, watch out for Ukraine. Because he doesn't think that's our war. I think it's important that we stop Putin. Well, Putin's a big winner in all of this. You know that. But I don't want to get to him until a minute.

Okay, Europe. Yeah. Europe's unreliable ally. So you're gonna, I'm gonna morph you into Donald Trump right now. Watch this, the mist comes here.

And now it's not Senator Graham, it's President Trump. I'll have more hair. Here's the question. Was it smart to say you were going to invade Greenland, that NATO and the EU are a bunch of wusses? Okay. Was it smart to go over there and poke the European bear because they don't like you now? I might have been a bridge too far. You know, I'm a pretty forward leaning guy, but Greenland? But you know, Trump is Trump. And let me tell you the benefit of being Trump.

People are afraid of him. Was anybody afraid of Obama and Biden? No. I was afraid of Obama. If for a different reason. If you're a foreign power, you wouldn't.

You know, Trump could send a rowboat and everybody say, what can we do to help you? You know Biden could send an aircraft carrier to everybody to yawn. Part of being president is beating people's heads. Trump's in everybody's head, including mine. I know, but it worked against him here. Sometimes it does. But the greater good is better. Venezuela, we're better off without Maduro. 100%! Okay. And they're still dancing for the baseball game. I mean, you know.

You want to make some news? I would love Venezuela to be a state.

No, you don't want Venezuela to be a state.

Well, that's your opinion.

No.

I would. So anyway, Trump said it, they signed with me. The point is Venezuela used to be the center of narco-terrorism. Maduro's in jail, the Venezuelan people are free, and they're playing baseball. It worked. But, you know, he got like five seconds of credit. If a Democrat had done that, they'd stop the entire world and celebrate it. If a Democrat acted the way Trump did, they would tell the story about the 460 kilograms

morning, noon, and night. You can't find this story in the mainstream media because they don't want you to know it. So Venezuela was a ballsy thing to do and it worked. If you got family in Cuba, they're gonna be liberated soon. That's a great thing and we're doing it without any troops on the ground. We had a snatch operation but no occupation, no invasion. Donald Trump in his own way is one of the most brilliant people I've ever met, in his own way. He

can do things nobody else will do and he's gotten these countries sort of in a spot. Well Venezuela is liberated, Cuba is about to liberate, be liberated without without an invasion. Now Iran, can we collapse this regime enough to lead to Saudi-Israel? If we can it'd be the biggest change in 2000. But you think we can? I think yes I'm highly confident we can but it'd be the biggest change in 2000. But you think we can? Yes, I'm highly confident we can, but we've got to stick with it.

Back to Europe.

I'm a NATO guy. Now John McCain was one of my dearest friends. I believe in alliances. But I was stunned at how brazen they were sticking it to Trump on the Hormuz, not thinking it through on Ukraine.

So my phone lit up all day today from European leaders because of my tweet yesterday. I said, you know, I've been pretty strong for alliances, but maybe I miscalculated. Maybe we don't have reliable friends. If you're not willing to help now to help yourself,

should we be spending all this money? And coming from me is different than coming from Trump. So I'm Trump. When I would tell my European allies, our European allies, that you're more unreliable than I thought, I'm having to do things without you because you won't help me, and you know what? I'm getting comfortable doing it.

So you leave them hanging on Ukraine, but that

helps Putin, one of the big villains in the world. I think so, but the truth of the matter is, Ukraine war needs to end, honorably and justly. We don't need to reward Putin's invasion, but we got to realize we're not going to get very Russian out. I don't like Putin, you don't like Putin. I think he's killed a lot of people to stay in power. It doesn't matter what I think about Putin. How do you end this war? How do you prevent a third invasion? I believe with all my heart and soul that if we had real security guarantees from the West to

Ukraine, he wouldn't invade it. The Budapest Memorandum... No, he tested. He tested.

He absolutely tested.

And we had no infrastructure to require people to come to aid. Absolutely tested. Absolutely. And we had no infrastructure to require people to come to aid. Absolutely. And he'll do it again. So the Budapest memorandum was an agreement to help Ukraine, but it wasn't binding. Obama, Biden, Clinton, nobody has ever given security guarantees to Ukraine like we have a NATO. So here's what I'm asking President Trump to entertain. Let Putin know that if you do this again, you're going to be running into a bigger crowd, not just Ukraine, that the Europeans will have

small ground troops as tripwires, and we will have a guarantee to Ukraine if there's another invasion, we'll be a backstop. We'll provide air support and command and control to defend you if there's a third invasion. I think that's enough to deter that invasion. I don't mind if he does business with Putin because that's a security guarantee of its own. If you do business with somebody, you're less likely to go to war. The other thing I want to see happen is a 10-year commitment to the Ukrainian military from us that we will sell them our high-end weapons through Europe and they will be strong,

and that's another form of deterrence.

Trump's been resistant to that.

He hasn't been resistant to selling weapons. He's been resistant to a long-term commitment. The big weapons, though, he doesn't want to sell. Well, we've given them the F-16s. We're doing the circuit thing. We're selling them to Poland and then Poland's selling them to NATO. Yeah, but they're getting there. But I guess, how do you end the war? The Donbass is going to have to, there's going to be a trade there. There's just no way to evict all the Russians.

What does Zelensky need to sell his people on giving up territory? That I've got a deal we've never had as a country. We're going to be standing as an independent, sovereign Ukraine. I want China to look at it and say, you know, maybe it wasn't worth it for Putin after all, because I worry about Taiwan. If you sell out Ukraine, there goes Taiwan.

Sure.

This is how the world's connected. So I'm going to, I've been very supportive. I got a bill with 85 co-sponsors that will allow Trump to put tariffs on any country that buys Russian oil that doesn't help Ukraine. That's what he did to India. India now is buying less Russian oil. Okay, so I got a bill to do that. But I am realistic. I'm trying to find a solution to end this war

so we won't have a third invasion.

Well, Ukraine's gonna have to give up some territory, but Putin's not gonna do anything

until the Iranian thing is cleared up. 100%.

Right, he's not gonna do a thing.

Why would he? Now, pivot to China. Unless we get Iran bad, we'll never get a good deal in Europe. If we get it right, we'll get it.

But it would be worse for the Chinese. The Chinese will be more bellicose. I was in Beijing in May, privately invited. I addressed the Politburo there. You didn't know that.

I didn't know that.

I haven't been invited. Right. And one of the few... Well, good for you. Good for you. I'm glad you went. The only journalist in history who's received that invitation because they watch me on YouTube where they're watching you right now. They watch everything we say. That's right. And the Taiwan thing can be worked out. It's a wording situation. But what China's doing is what Putin's doing. They're just watching to see. That's why Germany drives me crazy and Luxembourg drives me nuts.

Because they're all watching to see the weakness. Where is the weakness? And the weaknesses in Europe, that's where it is. Not Trump, you're right. They fear Trump, okay? But Trump was caught by surprise that NATO wouldn't help. Look, if Tony Blair was the PM, he would have had 18 ships in there. He literally said that.

Right. And it would have happened.

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Can I tell you what I think China's watching and this is why everything does matter? China was impressed by Venezuela. China buys cheap oil from Venezuela and Iran, right?

Now they don't.

31% of the known oil reserves are in Venezuela and Iran. They buy Iranian oil at cheap discounts. They buy Venezuela at cheap discounts.

Right.

That's off the table in Venezuela. If we can get a new Iran working with us instead of against us, then that's a big blow to China.

Well, President Trump is all gonna make China an oil deal.

Well, you know, he didn't say., see the thing that people are a little surprised, I'm okay for you going to Beijing.

Oh, yeah.

I'm okay.

You have to. I'm okay to do business with Russia, Putin's Russia, if it advances our interest. He's a psychopath now. Yeah, but. He's Hitler, light, Stalin. Nobody is can accuse me of being light on Putin.

But we did deal with Joe Stalin to beat the Germans. So the point is, how do you get Russia out of the invading business? Security guarantees that make it not worth their time? Ukrainian military.

Who likes it?

Well, let me tell you.

He's got a million casualties.

Let's just say this, my friend, that a third invasion would be a hard sell to the Russian people. He's one bullet away. Nobody loses an election in Russia, but every family's got somebody who's died. Eventually, those numbers add up. And all I can say is that we've got a chance if we get Iran right to get a better deal in Russia. If we get Iran right, we'll have more influence over China because they will respect us. Cuba, Venezuela, Iran, all are signals.

Right. Now the opposing party, the Democratic Party, hasn't really come out against the Iran. No, they haven't. No, they're just kind of floating. But in my opinion, and you correct me if I'm wrong, because you have much more access than I did to the Biden administration, Joe Biden hurt this country enormously by sitting it out. What he did was he just sat it out, and he allowed all the bad situations to get worse.

So when he had the intel coming in every morning, number one, I don't even believe he read it. Maybe Jill did.

I don't know that he did. And number two- If he read it, he sure didn't understand it. All the countries in the world go, the United States is just going to sit there. And this was after Afghanistan, which was so what started it all. That's right. Now, there would be no invasion. There would be no October 7th. There'd be no invasion of Russia by Ukraine again,

I think, without Afghanistan, because the weakness then was exposed. Now you would think that the Democratic Party,

whatever that is now, I don't even know who the leader—who's the leader of the Democratic

Party? Who?

You know, I don't know if it's Newsom, AOC, I don't know who's going to be the nominee, but here's what Newsom said, and I've known Gavin. He said that Israel was an apartheid state. That tells you how desperate you have to be and how anti-Israel you have to be to be the nominee for the Democratic Party. He accused Israel of being an apartheid nation like South Africa. Well that whole platform is controlled by the radical left because of who the money is.

But he bought into it. Well he had to say it. He thought. I don't know if he means it or not, but when he said it, it surprised me. I don't know. He's got trouble with San Francisco. He can't be doing Israel. He can't clean up

San Francisco.

Well, our party can't get that way, my party. that doesn't want any involvement, no matter how common sense. I mean, if Trump hadn't acted, they'd have had 10 nuclear weapons, and that's just, to me, a fact. So these people who are ideological driven that they ignore facts are dangerous. That's true whether you're right or left. If you get so extreme in your thinking, facts can't change your mind. You're in the wrong business.

But we have a country that lives now in an age of social media where people go in there and a lot

of them believe what they are reading or hearing. I don't know if you could have done World War II in today's environment because by the time I get home, by the time I get home, there are about 20, by the time I leave here, there'll be 20 stories on the internet. Lindsey Graham wants 82nd Airborne to go in.

Right, right.

It's just constant. And I just try to shut it out and focus on the facts as I know it and get an outcome I believe in. But social media, one thing I want to do politically beyond foreign policy, is if your daughter is, you know know goaded into suicide or weight loss or your kids are being preyed on by sexual predators and websites you can't bring a legal action. Section 230 under our law prevents you bringing a lawsuit against a website or social media company for the damage they may have done to your family.

That was to make sure the internet would get started. Well it's started. I want to eliminate section 230 protections so that you can go after social media companies that are terrorizing your family.

They're not going to do that?

No, we've got to fight. We'll come back and do the show about my bill to sunset. Right. In two years, I want Section 230 to be replaced by some vehicle to give people a say when

they've been damaged.

I can't see one Democrat supporting that. I've got Durbin. He's on board. But he's going to be gone. Well, but I've got other Democrats because they have grandchildren too. This is the one issue above all issues that sort of unite people. If you're a parent out there raising kids. Sure. Yeah. They see it. I want to give you some hope. There's some issues that we can work out, but the bottom line here is this is a time of testing.

Afghanistan unleashed the bad guys in a way we haven't seen in a long time. Trump is reversing that trend. But this can all fall apart and go the other way if we don't get Iran right. If Iran doesn't turn out the way I think it can, we can actually go backward.

Let's face it, the U.S. economy is under stress. way I think it can, we can actually go backward.

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AmericanFinancing.net slash bill. Now, here's a provocative question. I've been in Congress more than 30 years as a Rep and a Senator. I've been in journalism 50 years plus. I have seen, and I could be wrong because I don't sit there like you do, a deterioration, generally speaking, of intellect. I'm seeing really dumb people, really dumb people, people who don't know history, they don't really understand that if you don't punish criminals, then the criminals will commit more crimes. You know, these are just basic things that in our country were given for hundreds of years.

And these people like Ocasio-Cortez, who went to Boston U, so did I, and her district is a butt's mine. She doesn't know anything. And this woman's going to be the next. She beat Shuma. She'll beat him. OK?

Shuma's done. And when you listen to her, and she doesn't do interviews like this, she would never sit with me

in a million years. Does she write books? She doesn't know anything.

Well, let you seen that across the board?

Here's what I've seen. When I first started this business, you got rewarded for problem-solving. And, you know, sort of knowing what you're talking about. All the energy now is to loud. Not knowledgeable, just loud. Right. Partisan. Fetterman. He's doing what people used to do

without even being noticed. He's the only one. So I tried to help Biden deal with Saudi, you know, Israel. I was in the Gang of Eight for immigration. I've done some things that our base doesn't like, because

somebody's got to solve these problems. Fetterman is trying to solve problems. The question, will he make it or not? If you're running in a primary right now, your goal is to get as many eyeballs as you can. And how do you get eyeballs in this world? Be provocative. Provocative is replaced intellect. Provocative is replaced problem solving. And what I want to do is to say, no, you don't have to be

provocative to win. You actually can go to the Mideast enough. My knock is, why are you over there? We need you here. Why are you supporting them over there when we're paying more gas prices here? And I say, the reason I go over there is I don't want another 9-11. The last time we took our eye off the ball over there, they killed 3,000 Americans. Then I end every conversation with this thought. Do you think if the Ayatollah had a nuclear weapon, he'd use it?

Most people say yes. Well, let's make sure he doesn't do it. And how do you do that sitting over here? I make an argument for smart intervention.

Well, you're a guy who, you're a conservative Republican, but you're at least open to hearing the other point of view, and you have a frame of reference.

Well, I have a frame of reference, which is history, and it goes back to what you just said. Why do people, it's almost as if World War II never happened.

Sure, they don't know.

If you stop people out on the streets.

They don't know.

And you ask them, name the axis powers. They have no idea what you're talking about. In a country who lets that happen, you'll wake up one day and wonder, what happened?

Schooling.

All I can say is the deterioration of curiosity, willingness to ask questions, and try to solve them. The ability to solve a problem is getting harder because the reward is less.

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