What Really Happened in the Vikas Dubey Case? ft. Richa Dubey |Bikru Kand |Crime History |Shubhankar

You are Vikas Dubey's wife. Do you consider yourself a victim or a criminal? When you got married, did you know that she was a criminal?

I don't think Vikas committed any crime then. Whatever happened after I got married.

In the 90s, Vikas was accused of murder and looting. You have been transferred. Ram Babu Yadav was attacked in jail. He has been charged with gangster act.

No, this is all a lie.

Siddheshwar Pandey was murdered in 2000.

But Vikas didn't do it. He went to a politician's rally that day.

In 2001, there was a PM in Shivli Khana, Santosh Shukla. I'm sure I've told you that he killed Santosh Shukla.

At that time, one of my children died. Vikas was taking me. There were bombs on the way. No one has ever told me this. Yes, there was a murder. But Vikas was not responsible for it. Because 25 police officers who testified

were later turned away from the testimony. The court did not say that he was innocent. I am a wife. How can I say that my husband is wrong?

Santosh Shukla must also have a wife. Many people told me

that ask the father-in-law How can I say that my husband is wrong? Santosh Shukla must have a wife too, right? Many people asked me, ask your father, will he be able to make eye contact with the daughters of the martyr, CEO, Devendra Mishra? He was doing his job, he was waiting for them. And then he was killed.

With bullets,

close up,

then he was stabbed in the head with an axe, and then he was buried with their bodies. Leave me! of I have never read the chargesheet. Why? Your future was being decided on the basis of that. That's the legal aspect.

Do you believe that Vikas Dubey has ruined the name of the Brahmin community? I was a Brahmin from my in-laws. I was a Casteist from my parents. So I can't say that I'm a Brahmin. In the ID investigation, a property worth millions was found.

The police chargesheet says that the property in Dubai, money in Bangkok's hotels A fund manager of Dubai who became a millionaire overnight will now be investigated by the Income Tax Department He invested in a hotel in Bangkok, which is worth crores of rupees in other countries Now, this crore must not have come from a sewing machine

If I was a Dubai based man, then I would have had a Sikh in my support

Who was Jai Vashpi? Jai Vashpi...

You smiled a lot

No, no, no

Okay, okay the I'm The girls were not lucky. They didn't do anything to me. Her name is Khushi Dubey. Amar Dubey's wife is Khushi Dubey. Khushi Tiwari. Dubey.

Why not Dubey?

Because she's already married to the first guy. To two guys.

If you're Dubey, why not that Dubey? Because she married Amar.

Are you guys trying to save yourselves by ruining her character? She is just setting a narrative that I was wrong. I have kept the charger in the car. The charger is not good. It is a very bad charger.

It is a very bad charger.

It was said that the car...

Call the police immediately.

The police car is overturned and the car is in the fire.

The police took out the gun and fired.

Even the butcher was kept alive.

Now the butcher will be our enemy.

Even for him, they would have been given a death sentence and get everything out of him and hang him. What he did in the end, he did it as a Ravan.

You enjoyed when you had power and authority. When you lost your power, you played the victim card. You're coming here.

No.

You're going to make me feel so guilty, I don't think I'll be able to sleep for a few days. This is...

Today, I have with me in this podcast a person whose name was mentioned in the most terrifying and most discussed incident of Uttar Pradesh.

It is often said that there is a woman behind every successful man. The woman with me is a very controversial woman of Uttar Pradesh. There are two views on her in the society. On one hand, the society sees her as a widow who has been raped and punished for her husband's deeds. But there is another aspect to this which some people in the society believe that this incident was also a part of it. We will try to find out what the truth is. to the questions about you. Richa ji, welcome. Namaste. How are you?

I am fine. Before this interview, I would like to ask you a question.

Yes, sure.

Will we complete this interview?

Yes, why not.

Why did you want to do this interview with me?

I wanted to reach my voice to every home. And your audience is very loyal.

Because the narrative that has been set, I want to reach every home. And your audience is very loyal.

Because the narrative that has been set after this incident that we and our family are wrong, I wanted to sit with you to change that image.

There are two aspects that I see in your image. One of the victim card and the other of the police charge sheet. There must be a true story somewhere between them. So I will try to keep the questions that have been in the minds of the public. I will give you your time with the expectation that you will not be afraid of questions and I will not try to cut your answers. So the first question that comes to my mind is that you are the wife of Vikas Dubey.

Vikas Dubey is no more. He is a criminal and he is a part of the society. People still talk about the car being overturned. Do you consider yourself a victim or a perpetrator?

I can't be a perpetrator because I had nothing to do with it. He used to live in the village and I used to live in Lucknow. Everyone at home and the society knew that I was in Lucknow the day this incident happened. I have been living in Lucknow for 15 years. People from our village and Lucknow know this. I can't be a victim of this. I didn't know anything about this.

If I had known, then no Indian woman would have allowed her husband to make such a big mistake. And the way I am a widow today, I don't want to live like a widow. I try to stop this mess. I am saying this from the first day.

When I sat on the media for the first time, I had said that I would stop this mess. I would not let this mess happen. Because it was very wrong. I never said that it was very good. I always criticized this mess. But the police says that when they took out your call details,

when this police team was in Bikru village, you were talking to many influential people at that time. No, this is a lie. I never used to talk to anyone. Nor did any influential person say that Richa Dubey, when I was alive, I don't know anyone. I have known many people in the last 5 years.

Earlier, no one knew me by face. I never had to leave. I had a very simple life. I was a housewife. I had no world except for my family and children. I was very influential.

I was a very good person. I was a very simple life. I was a housewife. I had nothing but my house and my children. I didn't know who the influential people were. If I knew, I would have called you. Why am I sitting here today? That's why it was said that you broke your phone during the incident. You had taken a sim card with a fake ID.

No, no. My husband's...

You were accused of these allegations.

These are the allegations of the media. I am telling you. Let me clear this. It was a sim named Vikas Dubey. Even today, the phone is still ringing. In our Lucknow house, it is switched off. It must be in the drawers of the cupboard.

Actually, this happened when Vikas told me that a bullet went shooting in my village. I used to stay away from all these things and I didn't like all this. I didn't like violence, fighting, bullets. Today, if someone says that he will feel very bad

and he will comment that he is becoming a saint, I never liked it. Fighting, riots, police, or bullets. When Vikas called me himself, he called me at around 2 o'clock, he said that there was a shooting in the village. I got very angry.

I said some bad words in anger, and threw the phone on the ground. After that, we never spoke from Bikash again. I think that phone was still in Lucknow, in Deraz. I'll tell you the phone number. It was the same. Apple's phone number. It was Bikash's phone.

The logic that the police or the media or the common people had that when this incident happened, you broke the phone so that you could get in touch with people, get political backing and the 30-40 years. This is a narrative. First of all, that phone was not mine.

I will tell you a very good thing. It was the same as Vikas Dubey. And that phone may still be lying in my drawer. It must have been broken and kept there. It is such a phone. So when the police arrested you, did the police take your phone to investigate? Of course they would have taken it.

Because when I went home... You said that the police would have taken it. Yes, they would have taken it. I don't know if they took it or not. I am not making this up. I am telling you the reality.

Because when the police arrested me, I was right next to my house. I was not far away. When Vikas was arrested, I came out on my own. Because if I was wrong, I would not have run away.

Now, in this too, what you are saying that you were not aware at home, there is a theory of the police in this too.

Because when I was preparing your case, there was a theory that you were monitoring CCTV footage from your mobile phone at 2 am in Shastrinagar.

This is also a lie.

I will tell you, Vikas was in jail from 2017 to 2019. When Vikas returned in 2019, he got cameras installed. It took him 4-5 months to install the cameras. What was I monitoring? What was I seeing? Your mobile phone was live-feeding.

Can we see CCTV cameras on mobile phones now?

I'm not that smart. I'm not that smart. I might have a phone, but I don't know as much technology as people today. Now, if someone thinks I'm lying or telling the truth, I'm telling you the reality, Subhankar.

There was nothing like that. It was a narrative set that she was watching the live feed. Tell me one thing, if I was watching the live feed, tell me that my husband had killed the police. Where would I run? Could I run anywhere?

I could not run anywhere. I would not run anywhere. I would not have run away. I am telling you the fact. If I had known that Vikas had shot the police, I would not have left my house. But the CCTV and police charge sheet that you have brought, the police have claimed that they have recorded the activity where you are watching the live live and you are giving information over the phone. No, this is a completely false narrative. Nothing of that sort happened.

I am telling you sitting here, how much a man can lie.

Why do you consider yourself a victim?

I consider myself a victim because a man says that he is the wife of Vikas Dubey. Vikas Dubey did this, right? What had the wife got to do with it? Tell me this. I was not there. I was very far from there. And I didn't even know anything. Brother Subhankar, no woman would want her husband to die or ruin her life. After that, what we have been through, what we are going through, I don't know what we will have to go through in the future.

We have to face everything. We have to face everything. I don't know if I will die or my life will be ruined. After what we have gone through, what we are going through, I don't know what we will have to go through in the future. We are going through everything. Who will want my husband to die?

Look, I am very sympathetic to your pain. But today, my role is as a journalist. No doubt. So, I will ask the people there questions, which may seem a little insensitive. No, no, you can do it. I can be a little insensitive, and a little insensitive sometimes. I apologize for that. The public will say,

you are right, no wife wants to be a widow. But, the 30-year period of development, where people were scared, people were connected to it, the number of its crimes increased. They will say, the family must have not had fun in it.

So, when you had fun because you didn't have fun.

No, it's not about having fun. Now, what has been said that Vikas Dubey was a criminal. Look, I would like to tell you one thing according to me. I don't think it's as much as the media has told. And by the way, I used to be very different. Whatever I say, I didn't have to live with anyone.

I can't tell you that much. But I can tell you that the media set a narrative that he was a big criminal. If he was such a big criminal, then his photo or media could have come anywhere before 2020.

I have kept a part of her story on history. I will go into that history after a while. But now, because when you said yourself in this podcast, you wanted to talk as a victim.

Yes, sure.

And that victim, and you are talking as a victim. I am asking the question that society is saying that you are not a victim, you are a co-partner. There is a question in that,. The police's chart sheet says that you were about to invest money in a property in Dubai in Bangkok. And they say, where will this ordinary woman work? No, tell me one thing, Subhankar.

If I had a property in Dubai, I would not have come to Delhi and lived in a rented house. And the children would not have worked.

So, this is a lie in the chart sheet?

I will consider it a lie. How can I say that I have property in Dubai? If I had property in Dubai, tell me one thing, the one who had a lot of money. Where did that money go? Where did the money I was going to invest go? In Dubai, the money of number 2 goes., brother Subhankar, someone should have taken the responsibility. I am saying that there is nothing like that. This is a narrative made by the media.

Believe me, there was no money in Dubai. Neither did I have so much money. My husband had a property. He was a farmer. He used to farm. He used to farm the whole family.

It was not like he used to do the farming of just one person. He used to do the farming of his father and his two brothers. He used to do the farming of everyone. He used to take responsibility for everyone.

Okay. It is also being mentioned that the SIM card that we mentioned, was in the name of the servants and the villagers.

Okay, okay. I am still using that phone. No doubt. I will tell you what happened to him. Actually, what happened was, the servant had been working here for many years. When all this happened in between, I used his phone, because we didn't have phones then.

I used his phone and started talking to him. When this incident happened in between, then after 4-5 months, he said to go to his house. He said, sister, I am going home. I don't know if I should return or not because my family was also very scared. No doubt it was a big incident. So I told him, do one thing, you can put this phone number in my name.

Because all my relatives and everyone calls in this number. I just put it in my name. There was nothing like this, Subhankar, that I used to use the sim in the name of the servants. I am still running that number. I didn't stop it. And the recording that you are talking about in CCTV is a lie? That is absolutely not true. There is no such thing, Subhankar.

The charge sheet is of the police that...

I have not read the charge sheet till date. I have not seen it.

Why?

No, I did not understand the need. Why should I have seen that? Whatever I did... Your future was being decided on that basis.

That is the legal aspect.

Look, the work I haven't done wrong, I don't want to see or read that thing. I am saying from the beginning that I have neither made a mistake in it nor did I have any part in it. I am seriously denying this from the beginning. to Yes, whatever it is, no doubt. But they were family members. Yes, but they were criminals.

Yes, no. So if you knew them, then why do you say that Vikas's historical record was so good? Look, I am a wife, I will say what I feel and the public will say what they feel. There is a little difference between me and the society.

That's absolutely right.

I will not say that I should be quiet right now. I will tell you what I think. He was my husband. And what he did in the end was very decisive. He played the role of a Ravan. I am saying this in your podcast.

He should not have done that. I listen to everyone's words for their own benefit. I feel bad too. No doubt, every person feels bad. Then I am asking, Richa ji, when you got married, did you know that he was a criminal? When I got married, I got married in 1996.

At that time, I don't think Vikas had committed any crime. It happened after my marriage. I don't know Vikas committed any crime then. It happened after I got married. I don't know anything before that. Vikas was my brother's friend. Because his aunt lived nearby. They both played cricket together.

They were very good friends. They used to come and go to each other's house. There was nothing like that. I didn't know about the crime then. And there was nothing like that. It happened after I got married. When did it start? When do you think it started?

I think it started in 1996. Yes, it was in 1996. After 1996, it was 2000 or 2003. I don't remember exactly, but yes, it happened after that. Fights and arguments. In villages, when a person fights for the Pradhani,

only then do the enmities start. He fought for the Pradhani election.

He also made you fight.

No, I never fought for the Pradhani.

You fought for some elections.

No, I fought for the district panchayat and BDC. I fought. It was his choice. He made me fight. Everyone saw it.

I never. So when this crime started increasing, like today you are saying that they did a job like Rawal, Bikru Kaand. So when all this started, gathering,

when were your children born? First child?

My child was born in 98.

98, second?

Second was born in 2005.

In 2005. So from 98 to 98, when the world of crime increased, and especially in 2001-2003, when a lot of horrific incidents came, which started shaking Uttar Pradesh, as a mother, as a wife, you didn't explain to her, that the path you are taking,

because everyone knows the path of the world of crime,

whether it is early in the morning or late in the evening. Yes, no doubt, no doubt. It is explained. I explained to my wife all the rights that I had. But she had gone too far. So, Subhankar, I don't think she would have been alive today if she had listened to me. I am asking this question because when I spoke to you last time,

and even today, you said that development was not as bad as the society made it. Yes, I still... It was not as bad as the people who came out of jail. But when I read the statistics, 2001... Look, I will interrupt you. Sorry. Development made mistakes, no doubt. I agree. I will say this. Some mistakes were even blamed on them. Whatever happened, some local politics,

or whatever, I can't say much, but what happened was that some were doing it and some were being suppressed. Okay, I'll ask you. In 2001, there was a PM in Shivali police station, Santosh Shukla. He was murdered. He was killed by entering the police station. Now, can't this be a good man. I want to answer this question. I don't know what kind of feedback will be given.

But I will answer this question.

I am telling you again. You can keep your point. The things you are going through are not better than this.

No, I will say. I will keep the questions, the answers are yours. I will leave the final decision to the public.

That is my decision.

No, no, I will answer. No doubt. I will not say that you asked this question and I will not answer. It will be that he was wrong. No, he must be wrong. You can be wrong in the eyes of the world.

I am a wife, how can I say that my husband is wrong? I can't even say it willingly. Subhankar, I am saying this openly. That my husband was wrong.

He was also someone's son.

No doubt.

Santosh Shukla must also have a wife.

I am telling you. No, she has passed away. I am telling you. Let me complete my point. I remember the incident of Santosh Shukla. At that time, one of my children died. I was bleeding profusely. Vikas was taking me home.

We were sitting in the car. My condition was very serious. And I was on the way. Vikas was in a state of a bomb. No one has ever told me this. You must have never heard of this.

It didn't even come on the news. I am telling you, there were bombs. And I saw that the bombs were being used in such a way that some cyclists were using bombs, some rickshaw drivers were using bombs, some vegetable vendors were using bombs.

Even the crossing at the main crossroad of Chauhapur was also stopped. I was in such a bad condition that I was dropped in a village in the middle of the road and was laid in a pit. I was in a very serious condition. I was bleeding profusely. I could not even breathe.

Then they left me and went to the police station. There was a lot of public there. What happened? What did not happen, because I wasn't there. If I was there, I would have told you this too. But the scenario was the same. Earlier, bombs were fired on Vikas.

I don't know why Vikas didn't tell this till date. I feel that why he never kept his word. But there was a murder of Santosh Shukla was murdered in the police station. Yes, he was murdered there. But Vikas Baidzad was acquitted in the court. And the people of the village supported him a lot. He was acquitted because the court didn't say that he was innocent. Because the 25 policemen who had testified earlier,

they changed their mind after the testimony. The society accepted this fact. The fear of Vikas Dubey was so high that the police forgot the murder that happened in front of them. It is possible. But after what I have come to know, I have been living in Kanipur. But you are still seeing the society, right? Like you say today...

No, no. I am seeing it with my own eyes. I am bearing everything.

Like, today, the time has changed. Today, you are in a lot of trouble. Many times, maybe something can be legal or illegal with you. My sympathies are also there.

That is why we are doing this podcast. I have sympathy for you, but I am also a journalist. No, no, sure, you can ask. I have not asked you a question. You can ask me anything. I will say what I know.

That is why I am asking. When this incident happened, you must have been told that 25 police officers killed Santosh Shukla.

You must not be unaware of this. No, see, what happened to me… Now he is not in this world. No, no, I am telling the reality that I do not know how to lie. I do not believe in lies. See, a lie has a script.

No matter how much I say, I will keep on saying it. And the truth is the same.

And they will catch you with their old statements.

It is natural. So, I do not want to lie. I am telling you what the matter is. I fell ill. I was left in the village. I had a doctor in Birana Road. You can find out about this.

There is a government hospital in Birana Road. My doctor used to sit there. I don't want to mention her name. She will be the same doctor who treated me. Then I stayed in touch with my parents. When Vikas came, when he went to jail,

after that I never stayed in Bikru. I stayed with my parents.

So you didn't talk to your husband and wife?

No, we used to talk. But when the incident happened, we didn't have a phone or a mobile at that time. So, even if a person goes out,

he says, I'll go and kill him.

No, it's not like that. You express your anger. Vikas would have said this in front of me. I am sure there was in a lane on the way to the village. They left me there with the villagers. Even today, I think that car is still there. In our village, the villagers call it Gona. That car is still there.

That burnt car was there for many years.

Why did you marry Vikas Dubey? Was it a love marriage or a ranch?

Yes, it was my love marriage. He was my brother's friend. Now, how do I explain this? Love is blind. I know that love is blind. It is the same in our generation,

and in the previous generation.

You haven't done it yet. The day you do it, you won't be coaching me. The podcast will change if I come in my history. We will sit together and talk about love. But I am asking this question because what did you like about Vikas Zubey,

the love marriage you had?

He was honest. He didn't get drunk. He didn't have any girlish habits. He was very honest in all his relationships. He never did anything dishonest with me. He did it with the world. He was very honest betrayed me.

He was honest with the world. He was very good for his children. He was very good for his villagers. Even today his villagers cry for him. They call me. But I can't be like him. I am not the one who will become like him. And then there is a saying, Subhankar, love is blind. is a saying, that love is blind.

Think about it, my love was blind.

I asked this question because when I was doing research on Vikas Dubey, I came to know that in the 90s,

he was murdered and looted and many cases were registered. No, there was nothing like that. No, this is all a lie. There is someone in the book, Sanjay Misra, who has made this book. If you want to tell that book, we will send it to your office.

He told that he used to rob marriages since childhood. I will tell you, he was a child of a very rich family. And his father is no more. He was so straight. His name was Ram. He was Saaksh real Ram. My mother is a little smart, my mother-in-law is a little smart. No doubt, every daughter-in-law finds her mother-in-law smart. But to be honest, the parents are very simple and good. I don't know how this child got spoilt.

We cannot compare him with his parents. Mukhtar Ansari's grandfather, Brigadier Usman, was martyred for the country. His grandfather was in Congress. Shaheed I could not stop them. Nobody told me. You could have stopped them. Siddheshwar Pandey was killed in 2000. Ram Babu Yadav was attacked in jail. I don't know if Ram Babu was killed.

He was attacked. He was in Kanpur. Siddheshwar Pandey was killed in 2000. But Vikas didn't do it. I am telling you this. He was convicted.

But he didn't do it. He went to a politician's rally that day. I am forgetting the name of that politician.

But the confidence you showed here in Siddheshwar, you didn't show it in Santosh Shukla. People will say that you knew that Santosh Shukla was killed.

No, no, I am not telling you that Santosh Shukla was killed. I was sick, the bomb was going off.

How do you know that he did not kill?

Because he was not there. That day he went to a rally of a politician.

But you did not talk to each other.

I was in the village that day. When this incident happened, first Siddis and Pandey incident happened, then Santosh Sukla incident happened. Till then I used to live in the village. The information you have given is wrong. First Siddhis and Pandey died. Then Santosh Shukla was killed.

I said Siddheshwar's incident happened in 2000.

I am there.

All the information I have kept is 100% true.

I was pregnant at that time. I know Vikas had gone to a rally. Siddheshwar Pandey's incident happened in 2000 and Santosh Shukla's incident happened in 2001. Yes, yes. I don't remember the year. I don't remember that much. I have forgotten a lot in the last 5 years. All the information you have given me, I have kept it very careful. My image is at stake because of this podcast.

I want to do my work honestly, while fulfilling the human aspect. No, no. this is true. Vikas went to the rally and it has been told in the court that he went to the rally. Vikas did not kill. I will say this myself.

But he has been charged with a gangster act. He has been charged with many gangster acts. So many have been killed. I have just come to know. Now I found out. So if someone is charged with a gangsta act, a murder act, and if there are more than 50 crimes and a FIR is filed against them, how can you call them good people? If I tell you that there is a certain person

and he is accused of murder, and he is accused of this, and he is accused of this, and he is accused of this, and he is accused of this,

and he is accused of this, and he is accused of this, Would you consider it a good deed? Look, I was already married. It was not the duty of an Indian woman. But I will not say this, I did not live with him. Ever since I saw his activities, I have not been with Santosh Shukla. But in the murder of Santosh Shukla, a very big point comes that there were a lot of people there. It is said that when I regained consciousness, I was told that this and that has happened.

When I returned from the doctor's office, I was with my parents. Now, there were some in front of me and some were different, but they were close to my parents. So, they told me this. I got scared. After that, I didn't want anyone to tell me. You go, the report you are telling me, I feel you have read Misra ji's book.

No, no, Misra ji. All this is in Misra ji's book. No, no, no. Look, if this is wrong, all this is a FIR. If a person goes on the internet and writes about Vikas Zubey, what difference does it make if he has written it in a book or on a website? Are there any such cases in which I am telling you that they are false? No, no, you are not making up a story. I am not aware of what happened in the police station after what I saw.

If there is something wrong in this, you can condemn it. No, I am doing it.

If you don't agree with something. You can clean that image for the future. We will see. Another allegation is that in Bikru village, Vikas had made his own jail. People used to come.

Is this true? Yes, he had not made his jail. In the village, people were not pressurized. It was not like that. People used to keep their own opinion.

They used to say that they have taken over the farm. They were not under any pressure. They were very self-reliant. They would keep their promises like they have taken over the farm and the girl is getting married. They would help. No one can force anyone. Why do all these criminals

have a Robin Hood image?

I am also listening to everyone.

I watch everyone's podcasts. I am also listening. I can't tell to everyone's podcast. I can't tell you how much I know about this.

I interviewed an officer from UP Police.

Yes, I heard about him.

I tried to understand him. I said, I take the names of all the criminals, whether they are from UP or abroad. I am talking about ExoBart, who was involved in drug mafia. I said, he is considered a messiah in the society. He cries and sheds tears when he leaves.

And another one is troubled. He gave me an answer to that. I would like to understand it from you. Because you are a first-hand example. I won't be able to understand it better than this. He said, this happens so that

the criminals are given a human angle to cover up the crimes. When a person points out a criminal, he is told that he was feeding them, getting their daughter married, opening a school, having a cricket tournament, giving money,

he was sick and they fought. He got a mental support to create his own army. This makes it easier to whitewash the image. And this is with every criminal. They won't give you a house,wash the image of a criminal. And this is true for every criminal. They won't give you a house or a job.

They have also said that it is common among criminals that they don't get you a house or a job. Other than this, they will do all the other things like spending money on your wedding, organizing a cricket tournament, slapping you, getting you out of jail. Will you be able to keep your head down with this? Because if you write your education, you will forget it. You will move ahead. Do you agree?

I will cut this too.

Yes, absolutely.

Look, I will cut it because Bikash used to give houses to his villagers. Government colonies. I have that. I mean, if you say, I will WhatsApp you that paper. He was made a member of the government that you give colonies to the poor.

They provided homes. Vikas used to educate 100-150 children. I don't know if I should say this or not, but he used to educate the children, he used to build homes for the poor, he used to beat the drunkards.

He used to beat the drunkards? No, no, no. Vikas was not addicted at all. He used to beat up drunkards. He didn't drink alcohol? No, no, no. There was no addiction in his development. Not a single addiction. He never ate cardamom in his life. I ate cardamom more than him.

Cardamom is not bad.

No, no. I am telling you that there is a nature of addiction that you keep eating something in your mouth. He never ate it. Have you ever traveled to the mountains and ate green cardamom in my permanent pocket. I feel a little uneasy. We had a story on our health book that those who feel nausea during travel,

if they eat cardamom and ginger, they will not feel nausea. No, I want to tell you the same thing. He was not like that. He used to get people jobs. He used to give them houses. And he used to teach children.

He used to help the poor. It's not like you go to their village and see how many houses are there. If the media says, the villagers won't tell you. If you go there and ask like a normal person, they will tell you everything. All the houses that are there, in today's date, all are not made by Bikash.

Government houses and money. Okay, not all of them have been made to develop. By giving government housing and money.

Okay, so there was a human aspect to it.

Yes, there was. He was a priest and he was also involved in donations. No, so all the criminals in UP, UP, Bihar, I have seen, the most stories and donations are made by the people in the neighborhood. One, there is a crowd, then the leader is praised. I agree with that.

Yes, that is possible. But I will say that they used to get the children jobs and also teach them. Today, the youth work of our village is very unemployed. I don't know, I go there sometimes.

Were there any girls in the village who became the leaders? In their team? To be honest, I know only 2-3 people, the small children who were killed in this incident. And a lot of people used to sit there. Now that you are seeing both good and bad, what do you think?

See, regarding that incident, I would say again, that it was a very bad and a very serious crime. And for that, I had to do a lot of things, even today, in front of you, in the media. So I am ready to do that. It was wrong. Everyone had children and everyone had the right to live.

I have two topics. Tell me which one you would like to talk about. There is one topic for which you approached me for the podcast. The entire finance department has been sealed. Yes, yes. Due to which you are facing financial problems.

Yes, yes.

And the second is Bikru card. Yes. In these two topics, which one would you like to talk about first? I am open to all. Today we are discussing and you have promised me that we will take all the questions. So I am leaving it to you. No, whatever questions you will ask… Will we talk about money first or Bikru Kaand? Whichever you like. In which you are comfortable.

I am comfortable with everything. Everyone is asking me the same questions and I am answering them. Okay, so let me talk about the Bikru incident first. Then we will talk about the money. We are talking about the crime, so it will come. Eight police officers were murdered. The way they were murdered, the society sees it as a atrocity. The society's view is that it was a question of the police's approval.

Because they were not just killed, but the message was given. And that is why many people believe, even if the government or administration doesn't say, that the car has turned over. And the car turning over is still a message. That the criminals should be afraid.

How do you see both the incidents?

Look, for the 8 police officers, I have been saying from the first day that I have sympathy. And it will remain for the rest of my life. And as long as I live, if I get a chance to meet that family, I will bow down to them. It was their mistake.

It was not a mistake, it was a big crime. I will always be guilty for that. That is why I will always say in this regard, I have never taken a stand for that. I have never said anything. I will always say one thing,

if they had been alive and tested, it would have been better. You are asking a stranger who knows nothing. I have become a kid who has been caught in a puzzle. And I have been told to connect this from here and that from here. That's all I am connecting.

Eight police officers were killed. Maybe that's why they wanted a message. That criminals get released in the weak streams of the law. This is what the public has to believe. That they get released. When the crime is so big,

then the lesson should be so big that generations should remember. Maybe the Atik Ahmed murder case or Vikas Zubey case, maybe, in the eyes of the public, I don't know the legal aspect of it, and I don't know how true it is. This is discussed. A group believes that we are not Taliban.

But a group in the society expressed happiness over both these incidents. That this happened in both the incidents. The society was not saddened that why did this happen, how did this happen, why did this happen. Although when officials sit, we ask them tough questions. A few days ago, Abhitav ji came, I asked him tough questions. I asked all the questions.

The entire DGP came from Uttar Pradesh, I asked him tough questions. But I am telling you that the social workers were happy about both these incidents, whether it was the incident of Atik or the incident of Bikas Dubey.

I can only give this answer. If I am seen like a common man, it is natural that it was very wrong. And if you had given a message as a family by killing Bikas, then why did you have why bother your family? Or the family would have been as criminal. Or if I had committed a crime in the last 5 years,

then the family would have been punished. Why was the family punished? I just want to say this. Vikas made a mistake, you punished him, no doubt you did the right thing. I did not take a stand for him. I will not take a stand in the future. Sometimes I feel sad and I cry. I am a husband, no doubt, everyone feels bad.

But why was the family troubled? I mean, closing the property and leaving the children's education, what message will this send? What will it do? Listen, you have down the property, shut down the source of income, and left the education of the children.

If the child does not study, what will the child do? But the government or those who put a ban on the property, they believed that the money was earned in a wrong way.

It was black money, wrong earnings, by someone's blood, by someone's fear, by threatening a farmer. It was the money of the farmer. black money, wrong earnings, someone's blood, someone's fear, someone's farmer's money. There is not a single government land. Everyone has bought it.

Dada and Baba were family people. Baba was also their landlord, as told by our father-in-law. Mother-in-law was also the daughter of an army officer. My aunt was also an independent woman. She also had no children.

She also gave all the property to Vikas. Vikas did not buy any land by any government or goons. He had his own money and earned his own money.

I will come to the segment on money. We have kept the intellectual matter aside. Let's talk about this incident. Do you believe that Vikas Dubey has also defamed the Brahmin community? Although there are some people who come to the community calling themselves Brahmin. But do you believe that the Brahmin community has also been defamed?

That the society has is accused of it because of Vikas?

I want to say a lot of things, but I will say it, otherwise it will backfire.

No, it is your responsibility to backfire. Now your husband is dead, your property is banned, everything is...

No, that has happened. Look, some people are like this, I will tell you, you are saying it, so I will say it. Some people tell it's good for the back of their head. There are some societies, and some people feel bad about it.

Those who live in front of the cameras and the administration, they beat the shit out of people and say it's bad. And the same person says it's good for the back of their head. So, which society should I believe in? Should I believe in you or him?

I am just asking facts. If you were not his wife and you were listening to all these stories, how would you have seen this man?

No, I have not. I will tell you today. As a civilized man or as a man who has defamed his society, his village, his state? You asked a very good question today. I want to tell you that when all this happened and our children were walking on the roads, they were worried for 5-6 days, how we have wasted time. So I told my children that now we will not live with your dad.

Now you have to decide whether you want to live with your mom or your dad. See, what was wrong, Subhankar, I want to tell you one thing, that was wrong. I will never define that thing that no, no, no, they were very good, very good. They were wrong, they did that program wrong. That's why I asked you a question,

that as a wife, you are also a Brahmin woman in a society, what do you think? Did you ruin the name of the society? Now you are seeing the conclusion of the whole incident. No doubt, they have done this incident very wrong. I always criticize this incident. That thing was not good. When I posted this incident that I am going to talk to you, Many people asked me if I would be able to meet the daughters of the martyr C.O. Devendra Mishra.

Because he was not only killed, but he was also killed. No, I will never be able to meet them. And if I get a chance in life, I would like to apologize to them. I would like to say that it is not my fault. If I was in that situation, I would not have let this happen. I cannot snatch away the parents of a child. Today, my children are without their father. I can feel it, Subhankar, I am also a woman.

That those women must have suffered a lot. That is why, whatever is happening to me, I am tolerating it peacefully. But what happened in the meantime, Subhankar, was the biggest motive for me to come to you. Some people, in this matter, by showing themselves to be weak, they don't call themselves weak, they are showing their weak side and doing their nourishing and polishing.

I will come to that part too, which you are talking about Khushi Dubey. I have kept that part too. So, we will cover all the segments today. No, no, sure, sure. Now, it also says that Devendra Mishra was an officer. He was doing his job. He had also written a letter before his martyrdom

that your husband can be killed by the police.

After all this, was there a police officer who was involved? No, I could not understand this.

Please explain it again. Devendra Mishra had written a letter that your husband can have his officers killed by the police. And then there was an SO, Vinay Tiwari, whose name came up. The information was sent from here and then, under joint planning, some people from the police came together and gave information about that incident. When that incident reached that village, they were being waited for by Devendra Mishra.

And then he was killed. He was shot, then he was stabbed with an axe and his body was buried.

I would never want to take a side of what Subhankar is doing wrong. He has made a lot of note outs. But this is not a common crime, it is like terrorism. He was punished like a terrorist. Yes.

He was punished like a terrorist. He got what he did. For that, I have never asked him to go and take a stand. I have never.

Many people told me to do this or that. I don't know, the feeling I had in my mind, I want to tell you through this podcast, that I didn't like being able to take a stand for this. Maybe I am saying this in your podcast, many people will feel bad about me,

but I couldn't take a stand, I am also a citizen of this world. I am not from anywhere else. I am not an alien or I have been made somewhere that I have to say this, I have to say that. I believed that what is wrong is wrong. I always said, you go to the village, go to Lucknow,

find out about me. My nature is that what is wrong is wrong. I am like this with my children. Whatever is wrong is wrong. No matter what is ruined, I don't care. But whatever is wrong, call it wrong. It cannot be called right. Many times, people who support you or Khushi,

who are supporting you, they say... I don't have anyone. I will cut this.

No one supports me.

I am fighting alone on my own. I am on the side of the entire justice system. No one supports me. I am fighting alone on my own. I am on the side of the entire judiciary. No one supports me. Many times you have also mentioned that you are a Brahmin. You have mentioned the Brahmin,

haven't you?

I have not. I don't think I have. In the current government? No, I have not. If I have done something, I don't know. I don't want to lie. I have never done it. I was a Brahmin from my in-laws. I am a Caste. I cannot say that I am a Brahmin. Sorry. This will also be touched by a attention from Brahmins. Many people say that the current government has done this to the Brahmins.

But the truth I was reading was that when this incident was committed, the people who are Brahmins and try to support the development of the country, many people told me that they forget that the people who were martyred there, whether it is Devendra Mishra or Sultan Singh, who was a Pachori Brahmin from Jhansi, were also massacred. So, we should not look at caste issues with criminals because when they kill,

they do not look at caste issues. So, when they are dying, people should not look at caste issues. Do you support this? No. There are many Do you support this? No. There are many people who support this. Listen, I will tell you this.

I have never been against my caste. I am a Brahmin. This happened to me. This happened to me. Yes, I took all the things into my stand. When I needed to come in the media, I said, I have come after five years.

This time I did a press conference in Kanpur about some things. I have never fought with caste. Where did your children study? One of my children studied in Millennium. One of my children studied in DPS.

Where in DPS?

DPS, LDCO.

One of your children was studying abroad?

Yes, when he had completed his 12th grade.

After 12th grade. And he was studying till 12th grade?

No, he was studying here in Lucknow. When Vikas finished his studies, he gave exams in high school.

Okay.

So, was there a thought process that our kid will go abroad and be safe?

Because people will ask this too.

No, no. It was not like that. If you say this, I will tell you what you said. I am taking all the doubts that are coming to the public's mind. I am feeling very good. My elder son is very fond of foreign countries. He is still very fond of it.

He is helpless here. Because we all need each other. We all live together. Yes, we all live together. Because he is doing everything and everything is going on. Which is the reality.

There is no Godfather. Our Godfather is our God, who is in reality. We don't have anyone else. So, I tell you, I had a great desire to go abroad when my elder son had cleared his NEET from here. Vikas didn't want to go abroad. He tried to make him understand

and he also scared him a lot. But he was saying that if I don't go there to study, I will die. So, out of this fear, I sent him there. There was nothing like if my child goes there, he will shoot and be safe. There was nothing like that. When Vikas Dubey's car turned, you gave many harsh statements.

Like you said that he was treated like a terrorist. You said, I would have killed him myself. You said, he was like Ravan. People ask this question, when he had been causing destruction for 20 years. We are talking about the 2000 incidents here. You were silent then. When there was power, you enjoyed it.

When the power was gone, you played the victim card.

This is your accusation.

No, whoever has accused is wrong. There was power or not, there was always a struggle with development. Now someone says that in the party of Akhilesh Yadav, Akhilesh Yadav was promoted. I will tell you today that in 2006, when his father was the Chief Minister, my property was sealed.

So how can I say that the government was not doing anything wrong? They were just making fun of me. But the government keeps changing. From 1990 to 2015, the government is changing. The government is changing. No, no, no. I know 10 people who are MPs.

The government that has been harassed by them is the one that is being punished. No, no, there was nothing like that with them. Whatever government they were in, when they made a mistake, they were punished. There was nothing like that.

There have not been such good governments in UP. I am also from UP.

No, I am telling you, from 2005-04, our property was closed till 2007-08. Then we thought it was the government of Akhilesh's government. But in the same year, 24 police officers refused to speak. In 2001. They were scared and changed their mind. I was not in the court. Subhankar, if I was in the court, I would have said that it was not like that.

Subhankar, I have never supported wrong. Now, whoever says it, but the reality is that I am sitting here with you today. I am sitting with my truth. Do I want to keep my truth? No, I don't lie and I am not interested in lying. I am telling you again, a lie has a script and the truth is one. If I say one thing today, she will keep saying the same thing for the rest of her life.

That's right.

If I say today, no, no, no, it was not like that, Subhankar. It was like this. Tomorrow you'll call me and ask me, I won't be able to answer you. Because that was a script. But this is my truth. I am like this. You've been alive for 10 years. So maybe I'll still meet you like this.

No, no, you'll be fine. You have two kids. No doubt, everything will be fine. But I am telling you, I have no interest in lies. Then you will have to become like your mother-in-law. Yes, my mother-in-law is very good. And I would like to say something to my mother-in-law, so that she is happy when she hears this.

Okay. Now let's come to the money-minded. You have said this many times, off the record, that development has done wrong, punishment has been given, all the wealth was sealed. This was your main reason for which you were asking for support from the public and wanted the government to listen to you. So, I am sure the people of the government will listen

to this podcast. So, I will ask you some questions.

The EDI investigation on you, in that EDI investigation found a lot of wealth worth crores. I mentioned that in Dubai, we have found solid evidence of investment in Bangkok. Now, this crore might not have come from the sewing machine. Sewing machine? I don't know. No, no, I promise. It's not in Bangkok.

You are talking about investment.

No, it's not anywhere. It's nothing. These are all false news. If it was in Bangkok and Dubai, if I was a Dubai based person, then there would have been a Sikh in my support. Keep this in mind. I also get to know a lot.

People tell me that if there is a Dubai based property, then there is support for it. I am saying this. You can think that I am right or wrong, as much as I know. There is nothing like that, Subhankar.

Who was Jai Vashpi?

Jai Vashpi, I have also come to know from him, the fact that I am telling the truth. That Jai Vashpi… Remove the smile on your face.

You have said a lot.

Okay, okay. I'll tell you why I smiled. I'll tell you this too. I won't lie. You shouldn't be accused of polishing Richard Dubey's work or whitewashing his work. I'm not wrong. Why are you pointing fingers at me? Like you said, you think you're right. You think you're telling the truth.

It's going the same way.

Why did I laugh at him? I'll tell you why I laughed at him at the end. That was Vikas's way of getting up. No doubt, it is not that he didn't have to get up. Now everything is connected.

Who is Jai Bajpai?

Jai Bajpai is someone… It is said that he used to run a small shop, but he suddenly became very rich. No doubt, I also came to know that he became very rich all of a sudden. No doubt, I also came to know that he became very rich all of a sudden. So, I had no connection with Jai Bajpi. He used to live with Vikas.

Vikas's coming and going. Now, people say that I had no connection with Vikas. I don't know Vikas. I think this is a lie. Now, I say that I didn't know Vikas. Please understand one thing. I was not Vikas's wife. So it is not possible. I am his wife.

His good deeds will go with me and his bad deeds will go on my head. So what happened to those people? They were far away. Now you are saying this about the cream girl. They cut the cream.

Try to understand me. Then I remembered something and I laughed. They cut the cream. Now they say that I did not know. I laughed. He cut the cream. Now he says, I didn't know, I never saw. It has nothing to do with me. How can this be?

You were trapped, it means you were very included. Jai Vashpe has admitted that he used to keep account of your and Vikas's priceless money. My money? Oh, where did you find it? If you find it in your pocket, you will ask, give me my money back, I need it. He is not giving me my money, he is giving it to me.

Did you do money laundering, Jayvash? I don't know that much about him. I know that he became rich all of a sudden. I have heard that.

How did he become rich all of a sudden? You have been fighting cases for 5 years, you are in the courts,

tell me the truth. Why are you hiding it? No, I'm not hiding it. I'm afraid of them. I know how to take money from them. A few days ago, when I saw my statement, my husband gave him 10 lakh rupees. I just found out.

That's when I laughed. When you took Jaybajpi's name, that's when I smiled. I tried to call his house and find out. I said, brother, ask for my money. But who gives money on this day? I will go to his house legally and report it.

Because it is mentioned in the statement.

The black man must have been drinking.

Yes, I don't know about him. If I get to know, I will go home to collect it. I am telling everyone, whoever watches my podcast, whoever has my husband's money, they should come and give it to me with respect. I will go to the bank and ask for the money. I will ask for the money. If I find out, I will go to the bank to collect it. The world is not that decent.

The world is decent. No one gives money to anyone. But I don't say that. If I find it somewhere, I will go to the bank. Because the bank statement has a lot of names in it.

If I find it, I will do it legally. So, you have been fighting There are a lot of people's names in that. If it comes in that, I will naturally do it legally. So, this legal team of yours, who have been fighting the case for 5 years,

what is the fee for that?

Should I tell you the truth today? I am telling you the truth. Everything is going pro bono. When I open, I will give it to everyone. And I can give a lot to someone. 2000, 3000, 4000, 5000, 10, 10, enough. So, you are living on all hopes? Yes, I am living on all hopes.

One day, we will become millionaires.

No, why will we become millionaires? This is the truth. If I was in this, I would have become a mess. But I told you immediately, this is the truth.

Then why did the lawyer agree?

The lawyer must have spent 5 years. See, some are Brahmins with me, as Brahmins like me, some are Jyotas. That's why I say, it's a caste or not a caste. No, no, no. Some are like Brahmins, and some are like this, that I am a lonely woman and they are struggling to see me, and some are like Daya. Some are like you, boys, of young age, very good,

who can do their work in a thousand or five hundred. As it is, they can handle 1,000-1,500 people. They handle everyone as they are.

How many people are there in the legal team?

I can't count them now. There are a lot. There are people in Kanpur, Lucknow, Delhi, Mati Kot, Kanpur. There are a lot. What about 50 people? I don't think there are 50. Let's say less than 50. 30? Yes, 30, 20, 30, something like that. We are in contact with each other, everyone helps.

The truth is that we are helping. What case is going on? On me? Yes. One of the SIMs? And now ED has given my name in four seats.

I am not an old... ED doesn't catch small and big it. ED has caught me. He has caught a beggar like me. He has no money in himself and some in his pocket. I don't even have money in my account. Look, Subhankar, I am not the narrative that has been set. If I have crores of rupees, then the same thing you say about Dubai, listen to your podcast till Dubai.

This is on the chartsheet. I'm not saying anything from my heart. Listen, listen, listen. The podcast you're listening to, especially the one from Dubai, the one with money, please help me. I need a lot of money.

I mean…

The poor lawyers are also breaking down. For how long? They don't say one thing, they give support. Give me 2000, 3000, 4000. There are a lot of people like this, big lawyers, the ones from ED,

they are all pro bono. They are very good. Why did you agree? What will you tell them? When everything is over? Yes, it is natural that I said that when everything is over, I will give them the fees that you tell me.

Is it true?

So, you will become a millionaire later?

Yes, whatever you say. How much property does Kulmilag have?

There are three farms, four to five hundred.

Tell me about the big numbers. I don't have that much knowledge, my math is not that good.

I'll pay you and tell everyone.

No, no, not that much. Like you told me 5000 crores. If I had 5000 crores, I would have left from here.

Even if you had 500 crores, would you have shifted to Dubai?

No, not even 500 crores. I think it would be 10-15 crores. You don't have to hold the ED for this much? No, it's not worth more than this. It's a reality.

It's all black money.

No, it's not black money. If I had black money, my children wouldn't be working. That's why the police have arrested you. You can't use your own money. Now you have to pay the bills. I don't take loans from anyone.

My grandmother and my father taught me that if you take a loan, your life will end. You can do it yourself, it's better. I'll tell you the truth today. I had two of these. This is the last souvenir of my development.

I sold one. I had a diamond necklace. I sold that. I had a chain, I sold one. I had a diamond necklace, I sold that. I had a chain, I sold that. I slowly gave away everything that I had worn in my body to the lawyers. Today, when you have opened up so much,

I have told you that there is a little bit left. The work is still going on.

But you still use the iPhone.

No, I don't use the iPhone. I never use the iPhone. I don't have a connection use your iPhone. No, I don't use my iPhone. I don't use my iPhone. I don't have a connection to my iPhone. I have broken it whenever I have. I don't know what happens. I don't understand my iPhone.

You broke one. The case is still going on.

No, no. I broke that only. The police says that you can hide all the data. No, no. You or at the police station. But if he is such a big criminal, he must have contacts.

No one can do anything without political help.

So, now it is your job to find him. Tell me the other name. No, I am not.

To see who else is the KED.

No, no, no.

Look, Sumbankar, how can I call someone a liar? Yes, he had connections. He had connections with big people.

Who did he have connections with?

Ask the villagers. I don't know. I used to live there, Subhankar.

You've been fighting the case for 5 years. You're fighting all the money. It's all your game. You're the one who's going to suffer.

You think I'm wrong. Truth is what my Lord Hanuman knows. I am not saying anything wrong. I am saying that you have been in this case for 5 years. This is your life. You have been in this case for 24 hours. You have heard about it.

You know about it.

I do everything. I don't try to find out much. If you try to find out much, you will get a headache. What I have is enough for me. I also have migraines. And let me tell you, my mental health issues. I was experiencing anxiety. I went to the hospital in Medanta.

I showed myself there. The doctor advised me to seek counselling. Before consulting me, he tried to talk to me. He will listen to me. I gave him my medical certificate. He was also shocked.

I have never gone to the hospital since then. I never talk to anyone. I know that. I never tell anyone about my condition. I know that my mental health is because of my husband. I will take care of it on my own. And Subhankar, it is nothing like that. I neither inquire about anyone nor try to meet anyone.

But we were shaken when we met you.

No, I felt good.

Because I am a Brahmin.

Oh, Maharaj, you are not a Brahmin. I am joking. No doubt. I am not a Brahmin. I am joking. No doubt. I am not a Brahmin. I am joking. No doubt. I am not a Brahmin. I am joking. I am not a Brahmin. I am not saying that they are wrong. No one in the family is at fault. The family wants someone to be a banker. What happens is that you want a little preparation.

Like I have prepared a little about you. Yes, yes, no doubt. I will do that too. I have no objection to any caste or any society. I came to you because you listen to me and it will go it. Even the government of Uttar Pradesh and the previous government will hear it. A narrative is being set

that the press conference Richard Obe has held in Kanpur was held by the BJP. If we ask the BJP to hold a press conference, they will do it. First, open my property, Lord. I am worried about it.

Okay, we are listening to your story and we feel that your husband took all the bad things apart from being a drunkard, a prostitute and a girl.

These were not two bad things. No, no. He was not a drunkard, a girl and a drunkard. No, no. He was not a drunkard.

No, no.

He took everything else.

You can say anything. You can make me do the same it again. So, there were two good qualities in him. Yes, two good qualities. And let me tell you, he was a stubborn man. He could destroy himself in his stubbornness. And he did. He was a stubborn man.

I won't call him a goon or a criminal. He was a stubborn man. I've been saying this from the beginning. He was very stubborn. A family man should have thought that my children and wife will have to suffer for the success of what I am doing for the rest of their lives.

The most dangerous thing in a chair is the power of power, the power of a chair or the power of a gun. So you should remove the power that was given to them. I want to meet them. Why didn't they come and support me, who was giving them strength. Why have they left me orphaned?

Because the world pays tribute to the rising sun, which is beneficial. Criminals forget that the day the use of the letter is over, your family will suffer alone. And this message is for those new boys who are also raising their voices.

And I am telling you one thing today. The police and the SDF who went to drop me off at my house, I said to them, I have never told anyone in your show, I said to them, son, don't let another Vikas Dubey in Uttar Pradesh. Don't let him stand because the Richa Dubey and two kids behind him have to suffer a lot.

I have just started to bear. I don't know what else I have to bear.

One more question. When Vikas Dubey was in jail or was on the run, who used to sign the bank accounts or the paper dealings?

All the accounts of Vikas Dubey that were with me, I am telling you, Subhankar, send your team. I have never signed in those accounts. Vikas used to operate them himself.

He must have his own people who used to work there. Vikas never kept his checkbook or passbook with me. He used to get very scared because I used to spend a lot. I never left money in his account. What would you have spent in 5000 crores? No Subhankar, if I had 5000 crores, I wouldn't have been sitting with you and talking.

You are not here, that's why you are doing this.

No, I wasn't here then either.

You were not on the phone then.

No, Subhankar, please.

You were happy just watching the video.

No, no, Subhankar, please. You were happy just watching the video on your mobile. We don't know. We haven't published that much. No, I haven't seen it either. There isn't that much money. Subhankar, 5000 crores, I have zero knowledge. This is a lie. Listen to me.

How did you become a district panchayat member? Were you popular or were you a gun owner?

No, no. Vikas got us elected. And elections are the way common people fight. In the district panchayat, there were 85 villages. I could have suppressed one village, but I could have suppressed 2-5. I could have won the elections by suppressing 85 villages. I won the most in Uttar Pradesh.

I was not shown a gun, nor was it like that.

So you believe that people from 85 villages like Vikas Dubey?

Yes, they like him. You can go off camera. I am telling you about yesterday. There was a girl's wedding in the village. I do whatever I feel like. I do whatever I feel like.

If I have to face any difficulty in such a bad situation, I help them by limiting my expenses. I can't do lakhs, but I can do something in that. 2000, 5000, 2500.

You say you give so much money to the lawyer, he doesn't have money, the poor lawyer is running a job for 1000 rupees. So you give it to someone here?

No, we give it. We stop our expenses for the poor. Then even if we don't give it to anyone, we are not poor. Then you are also talking about Robin Hood. No, no, no, no, Robin Hood is not the point. My point is that if I go out of here and I find someone, I have 2000 rupees in my pocket, so I can give him 500 rupees.

How will you eat and drink in the evening? Baba is there, Hanuman Ji is very great, I will tell this too. A man says that God is not there, I will tell them that I am God. Only when you are God, the families of the martyrs get justice. Yes, I will tell them that I am God, that God has helped us a lot. And I am moving forward with God's help.

And this 5500 crores, will someone kidnap us for this money? There is nothing like that.

Do people still fear Vikas Dubey? When you say that you are Vikas Zubiak? When you tell them that you are his wife?

I never introduce myself to anyone. Many people don't know. I am sitting in the media for the first time.

Have you told anyone about your mistake? No, I don't tell anyone. Like you told the doctor in the hospital.

Yes, he was a little bit uncomfortable. He said, yes, madam, I had heard about this. Then I never went to get my medical treatment, but I was unable to sleep. I was suffering from many issues. My fat and cholesterol levels were high. I was on the borderline.

Did you meet Yogi ji?

No, I never met him. I tried to call him. When his secretary said his name, I forgot his name.

Avnish Ji, Mrityunjay Ji.

I called someone in the beginning. I said I want to meet them. But they never responded. I wanted to meet them. Why did you want to meet them? I wanted to tell them that I am not wrong.

I am not a child. Let the children study. This is the slogan of the government. Study and study. They stopped in my studies. And those students, meet my younger son,

he is so intelligent. He is a student. You don't get a land without a back.

You get a back.

But still, the children are studying. They are earning, studying, doing private work. They will be able to do it.

If they become capable in the future, they can reduce the stain.

No doubt they will do it. How do your children look at their father? It is completely different. No one can know.

I want to ask how do they look at their father in the eyes of their children?

They are quiet since that day. They never say anything.

They don't talk to you either?

No, they talk to us. They do everything. But they don't say anything about it. They are stay quiet. Never. They don't say anything. They don't say anything good or bad. I have come to you. They know that their mother is Subhankar. They are doing a podcast.

I am going to them. They didn't even say not to go. They didn't even say to go. They don't say anything about it. They stay quiet. Those students who study, They don't say anything about it. They are quiet. The students are struggling for their studies.

If a child has completed his doctorate of 3 years, and is doing a private job, it is very difficult for him.

Did the children ever complain? When they had to return or when everything was being snatched?

No, they never complained. They always tried to explain to me, that one child is his mother and the other is his father. He used to scold me and talk to me. He used to scold me and talk to me. He used to scold me and talk to me. But he always said that we will move forward. We are working hard and we will be capable. He never mentioned that the property will be opened or not.

He is just doing his hard work. Do you want to avoid your father's name? I never mentioned this to him, nor did he mention it to me.

Like you are talking about property, you are saying that he is not talking about property.

No, never, not in any subject. Sometimes I become very hopeless, that I am not able to do it, I and tired. How much can a woman do? There is a lot of fight, a lot of things are going on. I didn't have the knowledge of these things. I want to tell you through you.

When I met a lawyer for the first time, I didn't understand his language. What does he want to explain to me? I couldn to understand. After a long time I understood what he wanted to explain and what he wanted to be called. I did not understand. But even then my children have become mute from that process. Childhood has gone from them.

If we assume that there is a soul somewhere and the soul of Vikas Dubey is looking at your children's situation, what would you like to say? They will be the most sad and cry. What have I done today? They will regret their mistake for life. And they should. No doubt.

What would you like to say to them if they are listening?

If they would have come in front of me, I would have slapped them. What have you done without thinking? I feel that God gives everyone two thoughts. Should I do it or not? He didn't even think about it. He could have been removed from that place. He could have been won by a new system.

I believe that. I would have slapped him twice. I have been saying this from the beginning. After the Bikru incident, when the police searched the house, they found a list of letters of recommendations from the officials and leaders, and a list of transfer postings.

It was believed that there were 77 secretaries. Then why didn't the police take this matter to the public? They should sit and tell who all were the leaders. I don't know. I didn't get any letters or letters from my home. I got them from Vikas's home. Then why didn't the police sit and say this?

They should have taken a stand too. Why didn't they mention the names of the leaders? Don't you know any leader who was their friend? If there was a friend, he would have come to me by now.

Why would he come to you? Why wouldn't he? Why would he? Everyone comes to enjoy sin. Who is going to be a part of sin?

Then he will also make a mistake at some point or the other. Time is like that. Sometimes he will go around in circles, sometimes he will suffer. It is up to you that you make him suffer. You suffer all the sins alone. They say, no, there is no voice. Everyone will be beaten. So it is up to you that you bring four more people.

That brother, he also committed such a sin with us.

See, we didn't know anyone, Subhankar. How can I call him a sinner? You must have got him to know. Never. I don't know about anyone. See, Subhankar, what should I find out in such things?

It happened to me that a man ran away from me, which is like an ant on a jaggery, which keeps on attacking you and then disappears. That Laxman Rekha which comes, that was attracted to me. So, no one came to me, Sobhankar. Now let's talk about that topic on which you talk very actively.

The name is Khushi Dubey.

Khushi Tiwari. Khushi Tiwari. Dubey nahi. Why not Dubey? Not Dubey because Khushi's surname is Tiwari. You were also a Kaish.

Yes.

You also use Dubey. No, no. I am telling you on this basis. You just have to give me the answer. You have the whole time on every topic. The questions are all there.

You will not the time. The questions are all there, you won't be stopped. Okay, okay, fine. I'll tell you. You can't call Khushi Dubey because she's already married to a boy, two boys. She tells herself that she was very young, I was very small, they took me away with guns and this happened to me. It was nothing like that. When there are elections or the time comes for the death of the year's development and the death of the police, then he gets rid of his pain.

He gets pain twice a year. Now, for example, his mother got sick. No doubt, anyone's mother will get sick. If a person is poor, he will ask for help. Today, I get sick and I have nothing with my children. to If she had asked for it from Yogi Adityanath, he would have done it. Because he is a representative of the people. He knows that his people are troubled.

No doubt.

So, he did this and his mother recovered. After that, he set a narrative in the media. That they took me away with a gun. Forced me to get married. And ego... The media people who asked me the cross question,

they asked me how is this possible? They said, it is possible that ego has come. How is it possible that someone's ego has come and taken you away? You had already married twice. Your parents came to my house in Bikruwala because they said that they had brought a proposal.

No, they had not come with a marriage proposal. He was already married to a Thakur. She had been living there for 2-3 months. Her parents got to know that there is a man named Vikas Dubey, who is a Brahmin. If you go there and keep your promise,

your daughter will bring a Leela from there. They took her parents in the car and went to the village panchayat. It was a famous incident of 10-20 km. She took her parents from there. In the middle of the car, her number got exchanged with Amar's. She started telling stories.

She said that she is a three-day-old daughter-in-law. She said that she doesn't get married. She said that she is a three-day-old daughter-in-law. She says that she has a bad marriage and I laugh at her. I feel embarrassed that how can someone say such a thing. She has been living in Bandy-Bikru for three to four months. So, I don't need to say anything. I have heard a couple of questions from you.

One question comes from your opposition or happiness. I will ask the question of that side. It comes that, are you guys playing a role to save yourself? Because she was an underage girl or has been proved in court? A 16-17 year old girl. So how did those three marriages happen? Do you have the official proof of it?

Second thing, if you are dumbubey, then why not him? Because he married Amar. The wife's surname changes. So, now he is Dubey. So, tell him, Tiwari, if we are not calling you by your old name, then why this?

Why are you defaming someone else for your own innocence?

Let me answer this question of yours. If I am Vikas Dubey, I do not try to answer any question or answer by saying that I am poor or that I am a widow. I could have set this narrative from the very beginning. Vikas Dubey took me with a gun. There is a book published by Misra Ji,

he has said that Vikas Dubey's wife had married his father by putting a gun on his head. I did not say that Bikash married me with a gun, or that he married me because he was scared of my father.

You were in love.

Yes, it's natural. I said in the beginning that I am blind in love. Similarly, he married me blind in love. There is no such thing.

Why do you keep saying that he married three times? This is a charade.

No, it's a char talking about my family. Why is she saying that they took him from the car and shot him? Neither Amar nor Amar had a gun. Amar had a car, Bikash had a gun, Bikash had a gun. So who took him? Bikash took him.

Amar was also seen as a guru.

Amar did not have proper food in his house. Then why was he killed? He lived with them, so he was killed. Because the one who was living with the criminal was also a criminal. Whatever you can say about that. The house where the bullet was fired, 8 police officers were killed, they were cut with a sickle, Amar's name is also mentioned in that.

He was also killed for the same incident.

So that girl, first she got married. Now why is she setting this narrative to show herself as a fool, that I have done wrong to me, and no one else has done wrong to her. In that, Subhankar, let me tell you, the one who used to work in my house, she has two daughters, both daughters are 5 years old, and have come out of jail. That is also a moral story.

Why doesn't her family come and say that she is still in jail? When she used to cook poor food, and her husband used to do the work of the garbage collector. They are still in jail. She has two small daughters. If they were 5 years old, they would have been thrown out of jail. Her family never stopped her.

They said that she was forced to do it. Or we could have said it when we were in the media for the first time. We could not have said that Subhankar, I was wrong, Vikas kidnapped me. You all believe that he kidnapped me. He was such a big rascal, so he kidnapped me. There was nothing like that, with happiness.

The happiness that she is accusing, it is possible that she will save her future.

Yes, it is natural. Maybe you would have been there too if you were newly married. No, no, I wouldn't have said that. Subhankar wouldn't have said that. Maybe. I won't believe this. But mentioning about three marriages,

saying that she didn't celebrate her honeymoon, saying that who is this, she stayed in a Bikru for a month, it seems like you are putting a message in the society that any girl is characterless. I am answering this question. That girl has been setting a narrative since the time she came out. That she was wronged. Your mother is sick, you went to jail.

But a 16-17 year old girl. You are saying this, right? In court, the certificate of board examinations and legal documents which are presented in court, I am not saying this, which are presented in court, in the eyes of the law, she was a child and if you are under 18 years,

then the decision you take, the law gives you the permission. He believes that you are not... Not now, I am under 18 years. Not now, but he believes that you don't have the ability to make right or wrong decisions. If I take a girl away today, who is under 18 years old, even if she forces me to run away, the police will catch me. Because I was intelligent, I was wise, she was not, she was not mature.

So if she got married a few days ago, or whatever the XYZ factor was, and now she is mature and saying that I am smart, that marriage was forced, she went 3 days ago. So why is she character assassination? Why is she not telling this? She is merging two stories. The one that was brought from Thakur's house, she is merging that story and Bikash's marriage.

There are many people who know love and affection. Papa got angry. There are many incidents who get love and affection. If dad gets angry, there are many incidents where dad kills. There was an incident in Greater Noida where love was cut somewhere else. There are many incidents in the country where honor killing is done in the society. If you marry someone from a different caste, they will kill you. Children are young, they don't understand.

There are many people. You have children, if you talk to them own children, their perspective will be different. The caste system in the previous generation is a bit less in the next generation. Maybe it was because of the father's

request to get them married.

But how do you know that there were three marriages? You go and travel 10-20 kms to know. I know a lot. I don't want to say anything. But if you talk about someone's character...

I am not talking about character. She is also destroying our character. Whether she is doing it or not. Now, despite so much defamation, Subhankar, we have been tolerating such a punishment for the past 5 years. We keep ourselves completely secretive,

we don't care about anyone. We were living in a very different place. I was in pain. Despite that, when you come on the 2nd of the month, the day of the police's murder, you start bleeding from your nose. You put up a story that I'm having anxiety, my nose is bleeding, I start bleeding when I think. All these things are to be shown to the doctor or to the media. I never told anyone that I meet the doctor and what diseases I have.

But today you told me today. I told you today, but I was sitting in the media that day, I could have said it then too. But today I told you.

But this is our own stage.

No, look, Subhankar, that's why I don't want to take a stand. I will not take a stand on this.

I am not asking for a stand.

I will say that the girl did wrong. I know your point of view. That girl is wrong. Still, I will say that she is wrong. First, you had already been to two places. And yet, why are you doing this?

What do you mean by I had been there?

You had married.

Do you have any proof?

I have a lot of proof. But the thing is that now, others are also getting trapped. I have told everything to the media.

But you are claiming it.

Yes, I am not doing this. Tomorrow, you can tell me that Shubhankar Mishra is married. Tell me that day. I will send you the name of the whole family on WhatsApp.

So, will you give it to me now?

I will definitely give it to you. I am saying this with so much confidence. I keep my point with full strength. Send it to me after the podcast so that I can stick your claim to it. Yes, if possible, I will give you the boy's number. What else can I give you? But if a claim was proved like this,

like marriage, many times the boy...

Everyone knows, the administration knows everything. I am telling you again, this is what I said in that. The administration doesn't want to say anything. What do you consider marriage? The boy and the girl sit together and ask for a film, that is marriage. But this... Marriage... Marriage means... Okay, listen to me for a minute. One second.

I want to know what you are saying about marriage. What does marriage mean? Marriage... The seven rounds that were taken in front of the society, court marriage, do you consider that to be marriage? Or the boy and girl who say to each other, Nibba Nibbi, we have filled your forehead

or we have cut your hand and put it on. I married that guy. How did you know? Subhankar, I will tell you everything. You can find out there. I don't want to talk about this.

Then you shouldn't have mentioned it.

I mentioned it because she is a girl. She is my family. I agree that she is popular. She is a girl. I don't have any problem with her. But why did she say that she is popular, she has progressed, we are not taking anyone's character, she is a girl, I have no problem with her. But why did she say all this, that she had ego, they took her away from me, and my wedding night was not celebrated, I became this.

Everyone has their call details, where is everyone, I don't need to say anything, everyone's everything is in front of me. And the administration knows what she was doing and what she wasn't.

Richa ji, I am coming back to the same thing.

The human aspect that I have sympathy for you, why aren't you showing the same human aspect about Khushi Doobe? Because she is doing wrong.

And you are not calling her Doobe?

No, I can't call her Doobe. She is taking advantage of my surname. She comes anywhere. She is not married to Amar. She is not married to Amar. I am not married to Amar. I don't know him.

You haven't seen the murder of Shukla ji. It wasn't a murder. You haven't seen the Bikru Kaand. Marriage doesn't change the fact. Marriage did happen. If you say so, it must have happened.

Your husband must have got it done. My husband didn't get it done. Listen to me first. He got married as per his wish. Even Amar's parents didn't want him to get married. They didn't want to get married as per anyone's wish.

But it happened.

Now that it happened, the surname is gone.

So tell me one thing. Why are you using that surname wrongly? Why are you crying and telling me? Tell me with pride that I am his daughter-in-law.

Many people, like your children, have chosen not to talk about their father. That is their choice. You have chosen to talk about him. That is your choice. That is his choice.

Why is she showing herself as a poor person? That is her choice, that is her life. No, that is wrong. Don't show me the poor girl. You went to jail, you were poor, you were wronged. Your mother fell ill, you were wronged. But why are you telling someone to pick me up with a gun and a car? You went there on your own.

Let me agree to this. You are saying that you think that your family is wrong. You oppose this. There is no objection to this.

You can do this. This is your right, it's your family. But when you insult his character, then a person thinks you are below the belt. No, I am not below the belt. She is also insulting my character, my family. How is she not doing it? Who took you away? Amar's house was not even a cycle.

And she is saying it was 500 meters away. I don't believe it. Amar's house was so far away from Vikas's house. I don't believe it. Amar's house was this far from Vikas's house. And she is saying that I was forced to get married. This is true. We are saying that you have suffered in jail.

You have suffered. The other one has not suffered. So you will say that I was his wife. Why are you lying that I was forced to get married? I mean to say that. But if I think about it, if I have a man like Vikas Dubey in front of me, who is so passionate that he killed 8 police officers, cut the neck of the police,

killed him before that, then there is no option to say no. If the girl liked his story, she wants to marry Amar.

Now, you can't say no to such a big man.

No, there was nothing like that. Vikas never wanted to get married. His mother had said that she will not spend a single rupee because she has come of her own accord. His mother's words have been used in many places.

Kalava, she has not forced her to get married.

She has been forced to get married. See Subhankar, I am telling you. Amar Dubey and Vikas has forced you to marry. Forced? Not forced. Those who have to do it with love. He forced me to marry Amar.

No, not forced.

With love. He married you with love. I am just concerned that you should tell the truth that you have married. Then he will say that yes, I am married. And the rest that is happening with you is wrong. Okay.

Okay, let's leave this decision till Jan. We asked a question, you have a point of view, in which you are telling your family.

They have a point of view.

No, don't defame my family. Because, look, I have a mother-in-law, she has her last breath, she is very old. She is 95, her father-in-law died last year. She feels very bad when she talks, so she has no words except crying. toh wo shiwaay rone ke unke paas koi sabd nahi rehta hai. Ab phir mein kaunga yeh Vikas Dubey ko sochna chahiye.

Na toh bas us cheez ko main bhi toh maan rahi hoon na ki unhone galat kiya, wo toh nahi kehte, na unki maa kehte ki bahut babuti ka kaam. Wo rohti hain, hum unki baat sunte. You should narrate your policy on that mistake. This is wrong. Just take my stand. Is there a movie being made on Vikru Khan?

Was it being made? Yes, it is being made.

It is not a web series. Sanjay Hoja has forcibly made Vikas characterless, alcoholic, cigarette without my consent. He has told his family. He has put his answer in court. I have to answer that. Vikas is not made on Dubey. He has filed a case in court with his family. I have to answer that.

That development was not made on Dubey. It is the same development. See, Dubey is my surname. And I have changed my name. My nickname is Sonu instead of Richa. Maybe my in-laws know this.

I am called Sonu, Sona, Soni. Villagers call me anything. Babu Tona that. They call me Sonu, Sona, Soni, the villagers call me anything. They call you Babu Tona. They call me anything. They can call me anything in the village. The villagers, like they named the girl, the wife of Vikas,

they made her Vishal's wife and called her Sonia. They told me that Vikas and his family, I mean, they have no relation. And the name of the film is UP 71. You were from Bihar, so you could have done something from Bihar. If you were from Delhi, you could have done something from Delhi.

Whatever you felt.

You have done a good job by doing a podcast. Now everyone will watch it and go to search for the movie.

No, they are watching it. It is going on. The web series is going on a lot. I don't want to see it. No, no, no. You can see it. It's all nonsense. The media story that they have been running, Subhankar, they have been running that. And they haven't done anything. But that is also wrong.

They are also playing a role. I have filed a case in the High Court for that. And if justice is received from the High Court or not, then I will go to the Supreme Court and get them punished. I don't know what has happened to some producers these days. They make anything up.

I mean, they make up stories to earn money. You shouldn't do that. Come and know what we are going through.

Now they will say, when you did the Kand, you didn't like it.

Yes, then why did you make it?

Now we will enjoy it.

No, no, no. So why did you make it? No, no, no. Why did you make it? When you felt the Kand was so bad, you shouldn't have earned it. You should have disrespected it. That's what a real citizen is.

See, whether the Karma is sold or not, the Kand is sold. No, that's the same thing. I don't like the change.

I don't want to see it in any way. You are on your own path, we are on our own path. Do you believe that when Vikas was encountered, many politicians took a breath of relief?

At that time, I was neither in front of him nor did I know anything. My own mental state was not good. What can I say about this? I don't understand who took a breath of relief and who didn't.

Vikas's car was overturned. He surrendered in Madhya Pradesh. He left the temple, performed the puja and surrendered. He surrendered in front of the cameras. He was afraid that something would happen. He wanted to stay alive. He wanted to stay alive. But then the car overturned on the way.

How do you see that incident? That justice, or that story where it was said that the gun was pulled out, the police fired,

we also...

Now what answer should I give in this? See, somewhere, I will say this much that if they were alive, you could have gotten something else out of it. You are saying that a lot of people took a breath of relief. They could have come out if they were alive. Kasab was also kept alive.

How many days were they kept alive? Then they were hanged. They could have been given a few days to calm down, get everything out of it and then been hanged, they could have been given a few days to think about it. This could not have been done. For example, families are wandering, families are looking for things, we are finding out everything.

Today you are asking that many politicians have taken a breath of relief. It is possible that they would have been alive, they would have taken everyone's name, they would not have taken everyone's name. If he was supporting someone, he would have created another development. If he was in power, he would have created another development. If he was alive, he would have taken everyone's name.

If he was in power, he would have trapped everyone. I am an un-big woman. I have been living in Lucknow for 15 years. I don't know anything.

But in the police chart sheet, it is written that you are a conspirator.

I will read the chart sheet. I have not read it till today. If you say today, I will definitely read it. I will tell my lawyer, brother, WhatsApp me. I want to read it.

What is the pain through seeing all this?

I feel pain, I feel sad, I feel worried. Then I think that this is life. This pain gave us the way to live our children, how the world is. We were living a life of children before, now we have grown up, we have become adults.

Now we know what the world can do and what the world wants. Now we have become sensible. We are living our lives. And I request everyone who makes videos and troubles us, I have heard in the comments that this has become more beautiful after her death, she became more beautiful.

A stupid person can't ask a woman's heart, whose forehead is filled with vermillion and vermillion, if she is beautiful. Fool, I am saying that your wife should also be beautiful. Look at the people in the world. I have come to you through you,

I want to say this to Khushi also, that I don't care what you did or didn't do, but now you don't. I will have two daughters-in-law, Subhankar. They will be someone's daughter. If I don't respect someone else's daughter, how will I have daughters? I know this. But that girl has crossed the line.

I have a house. I have people from the village who are connected to me. I have a in-laws, Subhankar. I am under pressure from everyone. No one comes to the media. I am the only one who is caught and is sitting everywhere. Because I have been made the main person, so I came and said this in everyone's press conference.

I have no jealousy, no enmity with anyone, no fighting with anyone. I am not a person to fight, but I will definitely say my point that you have set this narrative, this is not a good thing. I know everything. It's not that your podcast is the end of me. I know a lot about them. I am not saying it.

But don't make it so difficult that I have to say it openly.

We tried to do that.

You don't want to say it. No, I am saying it for that girl. I am saying this for the sake of that girl. I know a lot of things, but I am hiding a lot of things. Don't make me so helpless. I have nothing left to lose. I have lost everything. But why are you blaming that girl? You have such a big fight. No, no. Those fights are all legal, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no I want to tell you that my uncle used to live near my house. His name was Manoj Misra. He had an astrologer.

I met him. His name was Sekhar. He was a media person. I don't know who he was. No doubt, not much. I have met him once.

He told me about Sundar Kant. If you can do it, do Sundar Kant every day. And I have been doing it since then.

Now watch our Bhakti Book channel.

I watch it. What are you saying? I will show you my phone. I am subscribed.

The good work we are doing on Bhakti and the stories we are telling with science. Not just on pure beliefs. Belief, faith, faith plus science. I have faith. When I did not have a single rupee, Not only on the basis of beliefs, but also on faith, belief, faith and science.

No, I have faith. When I did not have a single rupee, Subhankar, then I am telling you, God sent money, sent a film maker and gave some money. This is how it went for me. Think about it. So, this is God, this is Hanuman Ji.

Whatever I am saying today, I am saying and leaving. This is His ability. I am leaving with my daughter. I can't leave without her. I take her with me. When I feel anxious, when I feel anxiety, when I feel like I am going to die, when I pray to God,

and I put my heart and soul in Him, then He will take me to the other side.

I have faith in Him.

You would have been taught the same thing by Vikas Dubey. No, I didn't believe me. Subhankar, if they had believed me, then today... How many women are widowed? No, for this, you will guilt me so much, I feel I won't be able to sleep for a few days. I am suffering a lot with this guilt.

No, I am not talking about guilt.

You know, I tell the kids that I...

Like you came to me, you got emotional, I gave you a full chance. I was thinking about every person who had an incident. They must have families too. They weren't even deluded.

They were doing their job honestly. Subhankar, I want to tell you something. I am the daughter of an Air Force retired. I can understand that the police officers and soldiers on the border

tell their families that they are serving. That's why. And then I want to tell you one thing. That's why I haven't taken a stand.

I kept quiet.

Because I have no words. I have no words left, Subhankar. What could I do? For whom can I take a stand? You can do one thing. Yes, tell me.

I want you to do it. Yes, tell me. In this country, there are many criminals, white collar goons, gunmen, who will probably be watched by their wives and children. They will be powerful, who will realize that time is in their control, they can destroy someone's life, they can destroy someone. I want you to tell their wives and children

what the consequences of the wrong things their fathers are doing today and why they should be careful today. Why should those wives control their husbands today so that they don't do injustice? Because the account of deeds is in this world, in this birth. If you tell this, then maybe no one else will be like you.

No, no, I want, whoever is listening to me, and whoever has a child in their house, sometimes boys make mistakes, sometimes husbands make mistakes, stop them. This is wrong. Because the struggle that I and my children are doing, may God forbid, someone else does it. And this should be stopped. I had joined hands with the police on the first day and said that there should be no

further development in Uttar Pradesh. Many people would have felt bad that I was saying this as a wife. But, they say that in UP, it is said that one should make a fool of oneself. And I am living the reality, Subhankar. I have seen the struggle of these 5 years. I want to tell everyone,

eat a little, it's good. There is nothing in a fight. There is always an end to a fight in life. You understand, my grandmother used to say, if you keep a gun with you,

one day you will also be a victim of a bullet. Tell the government of Uttar Pradesh and the police, tell them, I am a very conservative person. Today, after your podcast, everyone will comment below that this woman is very bad, this woman is very useless. But this is my reality.

Go and ask my parents how I was. Go and ask around my Lucknow how Richa Dubey was. And go and ask in the village if Richa Dubey ever had a daughter. I am a very conservative person.

I am a very conservative person. I am a very conservative person. But this is my reality. Go and ask my parents how I was. Go and ask my Lucknow friends how Richa Dubey was. And go and ask the villagers. Richa Dubey once said something to someone, once scolded someone. Vikas must have even beaten someone in front of me. So I scolded Vikas back.

Beware, don't ever hit anyone. He is a drunkard, he is drinking, he will die himself. You are not of anyone. She says, you don't become a minister of anyone. I have no interest in all these things. And you see in the future, in 5 years,

how much we have struggled, if I was wrong, I would have gone somewhere else. I would not have come to you to sit and cry my sorrow.

It is the truth. We tried to convey your story to the world, with the questions that are in the minds of the public, so that it remains a source of optimism, the same optimism that you had come here to see.

No, no, I came here because your audience is very loyal and understood my point. Like I read people's comments, by the way, you shouldn't read comments. But I read that Khusi Dubey was an underage girl and she is very poor. She was wronged. We also woman. She was wronged. We know that she was wronged. But you tell that she was wronged.

But don't say that Richa Dubey was a bad woman. Richa Dubey became more beautiful after her husband's death. Who thinks I am beautiful, you stupid person? Ask my heart that I don't like to see myself in the mirror. Which woman would want to live in this form? I am made in helplessness. I am not that.

And I would like to say this in your podcast too, personally, that Khusi Dubey herself has a master. He narrates it, he explains it. I would like to explain that to that teacher through you as well. Brother, don't teach so much that the other person feels bad that he was also the principal of that school, and you were the teacher of that school.

I also know a lot. Don't make me open my mouth. Today I am covering it up, but I don't know what I will open tomorrow.

Okay. It was we tried to understand. Thank you very much for your time. Thank you. Without facing all the questions, we leave the final decision to the public, as always.

Sure.

Because it is democracy.

No, no, everyone has the right to live. We are also living and fighting. We are not hiding. Subhankar, I am not hiding anywhere. Since the day when everything has happened and fighting. And whenever the next chapter of your story comes out legally,

we will sit with you again.

Yes, yes, definitely. I am always ready to speak the truth. I never want to hide. I don't want to hide from anyone. I am not like that. But yes, I stay away from people. I don't like to sit with people. Some people say that Vikas Dubey's wife is here, let's take a selfie. Even today I have sat with very few people.

So maybe those who live next door will recognize me. No one else knows me.

After this podcast, you will be in the news in many homes.

No, no. I will have to stop leaving the house a little. Because I don't like going out. You have your own thoughts, we have our own questions.

We can say that the news of this podcast will be very far.

It will go up to Sheikh, as you said.

You should do 5-4.

I will give you 5-2. Subhankar, if you get me.

Sorry, sorry. No, no. We don't want our family to be disowned.

We are very happy.

It's not like that.

We have a small world, a small office.

And disownment is the truth. Whatever happened to me, I was unwise.

We are not even married yet. Don't tease me.

I will beat you.

No, no.

It's nothing like that. It's just a narrative. If you had met me personally, you would have understood that people who earn and live peacefully, want to work hard to earn a living. They will work hard for what they have. But they don't want to run away. If I wanted, I could have run away. A lot of people would have run away.

Now, if you see, Ati's wife has left her and no one is able to find her. So, Vikas Dubey's wife could have disappeared. Why didn't she disappear? Because she was not wrong. Vikas Dubey's wife has a habit of facing everything. I can fight my own fight.

I can win. Today, I am saying this from your podcast, Today, I am saying this from your podcast, one day I will win. And this is my faith, my faith in my Baba. I am not wrong. Shubh Kaamna hai aapko. Pranaam.