‘WHY Is Elon Musk Promoting THIS?’ Citizen Vigilante Director vs Mehdi Hasan

There's been a lot said about me, so I thought you should hear directly from me. I'm here to help you take that control back.

In my film, he goes against criminals.Not Morsfland.Criminals.And I didn't.

He murdered an entire family.

And that's the thing.

No, he didn't.That's not true, Uwe.No, he killed the entire family, Uwe.You're lying.

The controversial new movie Citizen Vigilante is not subtle.Armie Hammer plays a U .S.combat veteran who shoots his way through a caricature of Europe, which is overrun by violent Muslim predators.The movie is reportedly banned in several countries for inciting violence against immigrants, but it's nonetheless being catapulted to global fame by Elon Musk, who is already talking about funding a sequel.

Truth is this, you are all being used.

The vigilante citizen is delivering a brand of justice that some believe the authorities have failed to provide, targeting both criminals and those in power accused of allowing crime to flourish unchecked.

You've been a lot said about me, so I thought you should hear directly from me. I'm here to help you take that control back.

Well, violent vigilante movies like Charles Bronson's Death Wish were a mainstay of cinema in the 70s and 80s.They tapped into very real concerns about urban decay and gang violence.Mixed -race street gangs and weak police were the bogeymen back then.Now it's Muslim migrants and the elites.Well, those movies had real -life consequences, inspiring unlawful copycat shootings, but also waves of tough -on -crime politics, and indeed, Curtis Sliwa's Guardian Angels.The question now is whether Citizen Vigilante is a legitimate expression of social anxiety and a rallying call for change, or simply racist slop written specifically to get Elon Musk's attention.

Well, joining me to debate this is Mehdi Hasan.founder of Zotero News, who has called Citizen Vigilante 90 minutes of unabashed far -right political propaganda.And first, the film's director, Uwe Boll.Well, welcome to both of you.Uwe, let me just start with you.For those who've not seen the movie and haven't seen any clips or anything, just give me a little snapshot of what you believe it is and what it represents.

But first of all, I see only myself.I don't see you guys.So I just talk into the screen now.I thought that I maybe can see you guys.So, I mean, Citizen Vigilante is a reaction in a way to two different things.The one thing is two political correct films.

You know, all these writers and diversity, whatever, as a filmmaker, I think we lost grip on movies We were used to, I grew up with Taxi Driver, Goodfellas, Raging Bull, Clockwork Orange, whatever.All these movies are not getting done anymore because there is like a woke police and algorithm and total bullshit going on.So that we have Supergirl and other crap.What nobody really wants to see but they're all go because they spend 200 million to make that movies and then they're promoting that movies was 200 million.And I felt always I did movies like Rampage, Postal, I did a lot of political incorrect movies.And I went, Ah, here you are now I see you.

So I went in all political directions in the past.And criticizing politics left and right.I did DAFUR about genocide in DAFUR.I did Auschwitz to make clearshould never forget the Holocaust.So, you know, that's the thing.

And I'm so pissed like furious about the migrant situation in Europe that I did first a movie named Run with Amanda Plummer, Barkat Abdi, what is in the U .S.on Paramount Plus and Showtime and also out on Prime in Europe where I showed the boats coming in and a holiday island and we follow different characters over the time.And there I showed not only empathy, I know that people want to have a better life and coming into Europe.And I'm not against it.I'm not religious.

I'm not like against any.I have Muslim friends and everything.I'm not against Muslims.I'm against like this uncontrolled migration where people for example in Germany are not even allowed to work.then the resentment in the population grows.Then you have lots of people just being bored because they're not working.

So the integration stocks now they're turning into crime and also random crime as we see with this rapes with the knife stabbings.That's not like individual little cases.They're all over Europe into the thousands every year.And I think that doesn't work.You know if you let people in a car I think these people need to get properly integrated and not like okay we let them in and then all the communities are completely overloaded with them and it all ends in a disaster.

Okay I mean look just obviously a lot of people have taken grave exception to this movie.Todd Gilchrist of Variety called the film a violent incoherent morally bankrupt slice of exploitation saying it's so astonishingly bad it felt like theis deliberately sabotaging his star.Rod Dreher of the American Conservative Magazine called it a fascist film.What do you say to those who have really got very angry about this and believe that you're inciting violence against Muslims?

No, I don't.I think the film is also a warning.You need to listen to your own population.You know, we cannot have like this kind of, I mean, first of all, to this reviewers, I can say they always trashed my movies.They just hate me because I'm not like this kind of filmmaker who bends over to this system, to the Hollywood system.I did 40 independent movies, but with big stars and Oscar winners from Ben Kingsley, Jason Statham, whatever, J .

K.Simmons.they don't like me that that establishment doesn't like me because I make movies like straight in your face.So and as I said, I did that in various movies, the Southern Wall Street against the bankers 2008.And so for me, that's not it's not a question about left or right.You know, I'm not in a member of the political party or something.

I felt furious about the ignorance in Germany specifically also about real crime and then people are getting away with it.They go like probation.They go 10, 10 months in jail for rapes and knife stabbings.It's insane.You need to enforce the law and you need the citizens of a country that need to be safe, you know.And, you know, all this movie reviews, I don't really take them seriously.

OK, well, let me let me bring in, let me bring in Mehdi.Mehdi, welcome back to Uncensored.you know look there are myriad movies whichvery violent and involve different groups being targeted by psychopaths and killers and so on.What makes this, in your eyes, what makes this different and unacceptable?

Yeah, great question.And a lot's been said, so let me try and answer that and respond to what Uwe Boll has been saying.A couple of things.Number one, I like a good revenge thriller.I like action films.I like low -budget films as well.

I love a Jason Statham movie, a Liam Neeson movie, even Steven Seagal.But this is not that.This is certainly not a taxi driver or a raging bull.It's 90 minutes of my life I'll never get back.It's not a good film.You mentioned the Variety review.

They said astonishingly bad.I would add comically bad.It's just an awful film with no real plot line, and the dialogue is awful, and the action is awful, and the explosions are bad.But I'm not here to be a film reviewer.Uwe's already said film critics don't like him.They've called him the world's worst director.

That's not my thing.I'm not a film critic.I'm not here to give my opinions on the aesthetics of the film.I am worried about what the film says and what message it sends and who's promoting it.Elon Musk.I wouldn't be sitting here, Piers, talking about this film.

You wouldn't be doing this segment.I didn't write a Guardian article about it if it wasn't for Elon Musk.With the greatest respect to Uwe Boll, he makes a lot of films.We're talking about this one because Elon Musk amplified it to 240 million people on X on Twitter.He promoted it.He says he might fund the sequel.

And took it to number one, number one in digital purchase charts on Apple and Amazon.It's made it a big hit, which is great.Great, of course, for Uwe Boll, but not necessarily if you don't like the movie.

So it's a huge.It's not about whether you like the movie or not.Why is Elon Musk promoting it, Piers?That is the question I want to answer.And then you get into the content of the film and the messaging.And the messaging is far -right propaganda.

It is anti -Muslim.I'm glad Uwe Boll has Muslim friends, but this isa fundamentally anti -migrant, anti -Muslim film.This is a film which begins in Europe.It just says Europe, blankly, because it plays into this American right -wing stereotype, Piers, that you've tried to push back against on your show, that a lot of right -wing Americans think Europe is some crime -ridden, immigrant -infested, violent dystopia, when, in fact, the United States has a higher violent crime rate, higher murder rate than every single member state of the EU.Uwe filmed the film in Croatia, I believe, which is one of the safest places in the world.

I think they only had like 23 murders in 2023.So let's just deal with this moral panic about crime, about immigrant crime.And then the film itself, it does advocate for vigilantism.The guy in it, Michael Sanders, the protagonist played by Armie Hammer, he murders an entire migrant family.In cold blood at the end of the movie, sorry to do a spoiler, but it's all over the internet.These are the clips that are being promoted on Twitter by Elon Musk's acolytes.

They're gleefully sharing a clip of a guy murdering a father, mother, son, and daughter because the son apparently is a rapist.So he kills the entire family.I mean, that is an insane message to send in a film, not just to send in a film.And I know I've seen an interview Uwe did where he said he doesn't support that scene.He put it in there to shock us, which is his right as an artist.But that's not how it's being used online, peers.

It's being promoted online.Elon Musk peers is sharing, you know, he's retweeting people saying this is the moderate response.That's what he retweeted.The moderate response to murder an entire family.He retweeted another guy who said, hang the traitors first, i .e.

the white judges, which is what the guy in the movie does, and then kill the invaders or kill the criminals.I mean, this is insane rhetoric for the richest man in the world, the most followed man in the world to be doing.At a time, I should add, when Muslims and migrants are being attacked in Scotland, in England, in America, in a mosque in San Diego, in Germany, right?There are attacks on Muslims and migrants happening every day.I don't think we need this kind ofmessaging amplified by Elon Musk at a time when there is massive civil disturbance already.

It's just incitement, I'm sorry.

I mean, Uwe says the movie's been effectively banned in his own home country of Germany.But in a recent interview, he said, if it was six neo -Nazis raping a migrant woman in the film, it would have been the opening film at the Berlin Film Festival.You know, in other words, he says there's a lot of hypocrisy around this.I mean, the other point that a lot of people have made on the hypocrisy front is that, of course, one battle after another, recently won six Oscars, including Best Film at last year's Oscars.Academy Awards, and that's been described as an Antifa wet dream without any of this outrage.So why is it, Mehdi, that the outrage seems to be massively amplified for this because of the theme?

Maybe I can also say something in between, but it's okay.Well, I'll let Mehdi respond, then I'll come back to you, Uwe, as far as you go.

So, so first of all, I don't want to get into difference between the quality of films and say I'm not here for that.It's all about quality.You cannot point to me.Yeah, exactly.So let's let's put aside the quality of a Leonardo DiCaprio Oscar winning film in this film.But in terms of in terms of You can't point to me, Piers, a political figure or a public figure on the liberal left who has advocated for or glorified or amplified messaging to murder entire families.

Piers, I've watched multiple segments on your show where you've rightly got upset with people for defending Luigi Mangione, right?I thought we were against vigilantism.I thought we were against murdering people who haven't been convicted in a court of law.That's what I'm against.I can't speak for others, but I'm consistently against political violence.And at a time when migrants are being demonized, dehumanized, when there's massive attacks on Muslims across the continent, as I say, there was just an attack in Scotland where

guy has been charged with terrorist -related offenses.There was an attack in San Diego where three Muslims were murdered in a mosque by two neo -Nazis who left a manifesto behind saying they wanted to wipe out Muslims and invaders, et cetera.This language.In the film, they blame the Koran for rapes.The character rants about the worst immigrants coming into the country.It's just one evil, bad migrant army.

after another.And that's a real problem.Again, Piers, look at the reaction to this film.I'm not saying Uwe Boll was racist.I'm not saying his intent was racist.I'm saying, hold on, let me finish my point.

Let me finish my point.The reaction is people all over social media, Piers, glorifying the violent message of this film.And if I had made that film, I would be wondering, wow, that is not the message I wanted to send.

Yeah, and I will ask that question of Uwe.I want to play a clip.This is Patrick Bet -David.He's a right -wing commentator.Let's see what he said about it.

The movie's gonna inspire a lot of people to do this.I'm telling you right now, this is one of the darkest movies I've seen that's gonna inspire actual vigilantes who are sick of it in Europe.Like, here's Tommy Robinson, I think this level of guys is gonna show up.Not Tommy.Because the next level guys are gonna be like, okay, you wanna do this?We'll take it ourselves, don't worry about it.

We got it.You know back in the days in New York City when the mob would say, what did you do to one of our girls?You did that?Don't worry about the cops.Don't worry about the state.Don't worry about the federal.

Worry about the Gambino family.Worry about, I think that level of chaos has shown up to Europe.

Now, Uwe, the problem I would have with that is that is, you know, I know Patrick well, he's reflecting a view that, as many said, a lot of people have said online from the conservative right, Elon Musk has been promoting this saying, this iswhat people want to see.The audience wants real films again.And the storyline that Mehdi referenced there in the film's climax, where Armie Hammer's character executes an entire Syrian refugee family while delivering this sort of self -righteous political monologue about the need for justice, you put it all together, And because of Elon Musk amplifying this to over 200 million people so aggressively, there is a real possibility, is there not, that people will do what Patrick Beddavid said, that they will seek to take the law into their own hands.They will seek vigilante justice.Would you be comfortable if that starts to happen?

Of course not.But the reality is, I mean, I have to interfere.You talked a long time.So first of all, I think we both want a peaceful life for everybody, no matter what religion, skin color.But the reality is also that, like how maybe he said, is he completely omits the other side.Yeah, migrants got attacked, but also other people got attacked from migrants.

And unfortunately way more and not because of that has nothing to do with the religion.Actually it has to do with the way they grew up in the countries they came from that may be in war zones.They like this kind of you know like they have very harsher sentencing.They are more used to violence.We have more traumatized people running around.And for me the question is why we should have a security risk for our own population in having a lot of people kind of unvetted like out of very hard like circumstances coming in.

And then they do this random stabbings.You know I mean that you that he happens to.

off your speech.What happens if somebody, what happens if somebody, hang on, hang on, hang on.Uwe, let me jump in.What happens if somebody does watch your movie, because Elon Musk has told them to, and you know it's got you a massively bigger audience than it would have done otherwise, because Elon has done that.What happens, you know, if somebody does take the law into their own hands, and they go and murder?

a refugee family.If you make a movie, you do the movie the way you want it.And whatever the consequences are, look, people are not flipping out and killing because of movies or video games.That subject matter is closed scientifically for tens of years.So if people are getting violent or Belfast or something like this happens, right, that happens because other things happened before.Also, then the media doesn't talk about it, that there was that guy trying to chop a head off a guy.

So if this stuff or the Novak case...Wait one second, only one finishing the line.So, you know, if this happens and then people flipping out and attacking the migrant home, yeah, there are innocent people in the migrant home and that is not what I want.You know but it's not coming from nothing.I think people feel alone.They feel unprotected.

They're furious with the law in England where you get arrested.Whatever.When you when you say Stama is a wanker or whatever then you get arrested.But you're not.You cannot even say your own opinion.That's Germany the same.

That's a big problem.You know.

Okay.Well.Well, Germany is a country where you're locked up if you're trying to be pro -Palestine.They've been arresting even anti -Zionist Jewish people.So Germany's free speech record is pretty bad on that front.But just two things I wanted to ask Uwe.

One is, you mentioned it's not about religion or Islam.Well, then why did you include dialogue in the film where the father of the rapist tries to justify it by citing the Koran?Why does the protagonist talk about Islam?taking over Europe?I think it's a little bit disingenuous to say it's not about Islam when it very much is when you watch the film.And my main question to you is, I actually agree with you.

I don't think video games or movies should be blamed for violence.I watch a lot of action movies.I wouldn't blame what happens in them for real.What I would blame, though, Uwe, and I wonder whether you agree or disagree, is the way your film is being used by the political right in the US.When Elon Musk retweets someone saying, Do you believe, Uwe, that it is a moderate response to murder a family?Because that's what Elon Musk is retweeting.

No, of course not.But it's also like...

So you would condemn how your movie is being used by the American right?You used to be a big critic of Trump.Don't do it.You used to say Trump was a liar.I mean, I mean, your politics have shifted, Uwe.

Well, let him answer the question, Medi.Let him answer the question.Go on, then.OK, so I made a movie, and I made a movie.if the movie gets hated and laughed, right?And whoever it is, it's like not under my control.

You know, I think my run movie was a very solid quality movie, what showed empathy for migrants.And did somebody gave a shit?No.Did I get hailed by the whatever Netflix bought the movie for 20 million?No.So and that's the thing.

I make movies.And by the way, I did that with my own money.And I need an audience.So if I throw a movie out, then I see who goes in that movie.If it's like House of the Dead like my Sega video game this movie or if it's a political movie.So you have to understand I'm not a subsidized filmmaker.

I'm not like in any form sponsored by a Netflix says over we give you the money do whatever you want.So I make So you know so I make the movies also to find an audience in this case the more conservative Republican audience also in Germany of course but in England to response to the movie.But I think also they arelike normal people.I don't talk about political agitators.I talk about the normal people on the street.

They feel left alone by the politics in Europe.From Stahmer, was it?From Macron?From Merz?

On that point, it is indisputable that there are many people around Europe who do feel that way.It's indisputable.You may shake your head, but it is a fact that a lot of people in the UK, we see 100 ,000 people turn up in London for Tommy Robinson.So it is undeniable that people are feeling that way.I think the numbers are massively exaggerated and this concept which Americans in particular seem to have that we've been overrun by Muslims in the UK is preposterous.However, to deny that a lot of people are genuinely concerned for valid reasons about the influx of migrants into the UK, legal and illegal, when it's clearly been out of control, many people feel, for 25 years or so, I don't think that is a deniable thing.

It's a reality.The question becomes whether this kind of movie, which shines a torch on this from a very particular position, whether it can inflame tensions and encourage violence.And then the argument becomes, well, if it does, why wasn't there the same debate about one battle after another, which was from the left, inflicting violence on people?

So let me just, I need to deal with something that Uwe said, and you've touched on it and you tried to interpret my head shake.I don't accept that Uwe or this movie is speaking for the people of Europe.Like I said, the very title itself, just showing Europe, nondescript Europe.You didn't even pick a country because none of these countries match the kind of propaganda out of the American right.And Uwe said something very revealing a moment ago.He said, you know, he has to make, he has to go where the audiences are.

And I think that's what he's done with this film.And he's found he can do that.Musk and he's found this MAGA crowd that love this stuff that's bullshit.You want to make a film about a rape cover up, make it in the US about Donald Trump and Jeffrey Epstein.Uwe himself used to be super anti -Trump.He was attacking Trump and Trump voters and Fox just a few years ago.

He was calling Fox a fascist channel.But what does that have to do with it?But what does that actually, as a filmmaker, why does any of that matter?I'm telling you.I'm telling you why it matters, because he said he goes to where the audiences are, and this is a very cynical attempt to get a right -wing audience for your film.Uwe's mentioned the film Run twice so far.

This was a film he made last year.Just a year ago, he was making a film that he himself says was empathetic and humane.I looked it up.This is what Uwe said in September of last year.He said, I agree with that Uwe Boll, not the Uwe Boll who turns up now saying people are angry and that's why they're going to do this stuff and migration's out of control and migrants are killing people.First of all, crime is down across the continent.

Crime is down in Germany.Crime is down in the UK.This is a moral panic from the right to distract from other issues, right?Are there rape gangs?Yes.Do migrants carry out horrific crimes?

Yes.Do non -migrants carry out horrific crimes?Yes.Piers, you tweeted the other day, as did I, about a dozen white men in the UK who allegedly joined in the rape of a guy's wife.They're on trial.I have to be careful what I say.

And nobody on the right seems to care, I agree.They're innocent until proven guilty.And no one cared, Elon Musk didn't tweet about that.So this is a very weaponized issue.OK, but many, many, many.

OK, but let me ask you this.Go on.So in Uwe's movies over the years, just going back 25 years or more, Heart of America, on the last day of school, two bullied teenagers take revenge on their tormentors.Rampage, 2009, a man with a thirst for revenge builds a full body armor from caviar and goes on a killing spree.Blubberella.2011 an action comedy cinema overweight

woman whose footsteps cause explosions and whose dual saws are used against anyone who makes fun of her.Assault on Wall Street, 2013, a gym and average New Yorker lives with a sick but loving wife, suddenly everything changes, the economy crashes, causes him to lose everything, he gets furious with rage and goes on a rampage of revenge for the life taken from him.In other words, you know, Uwe's done a lot of decades and decades of making quite violent movies about all manner of different things.But you only seem to...And I love all you said.Unless I'm wrong, correct me. I know you're a big man for receipts.

Hang on.I'm about to.Hang on.Yes.You're a big man for receipts.Are you on record as condemning any of those movies?

No, of course not.I even said at the beginning of this show that I love those kind of movies.I love my take -ins.

So you only don't like this one because he's chosen a subject matter you feel uncomfortable about, whereas I would say...No, I've already made it very clear why I don't like this.I've made it very clear.But there are many other subject matters he's chosen and people being targeted which you didn't seem to care about.

Yes.Exactly.Well, exactly.So I'm actually very consistent.I don't care about any of the movies he's made.This is not about his movie.

This is about how his movie is being used.He's already agreed with me.He's already agreed with me, unless Uwe wants to change his mind.But I heard him say a few minutes ago that he agrees with me that you shouldn't be posting out the finale of his movie with a guy murdering a migrant family on social media and saying this is the moderate response.The world's richest man, the world's most followed man on social media, the biggest single donor to Donald Trump and the GOP should not be encouraging the murder of migrant families and saying that's the moderate response.My objection is not to Uwe per se, apart from the fact that he's made an awful movie, but there's many awful movies, why do I care?

It's my objection is to Elon Musk and the right -wingers' use of this media.Okay, well let me ask, okay, let me ask, let me ask you a question.One last point, one last point, one last point, one last point, and then I will stop.One last point.One last point.Armie Hammer is the star of this film.

The irony of Armie Hammer being in a film about vigilante justice.Armie Hammer was accused of rape in 2021.The authorities dropped those charges in 2023.He denied it.They said there was not enough evidence.In that two -year period where he was being investigated, but not charged with a crime or convicted, should we have supported a vigilante going and taking out Armie Hammer because the justice system wasn't dealing with this rapist?

Of course not.But the irony of Armie Hammer playing a vigilante, killing people who haven't been convicted, is just amazing to me.

All right, Uwe, let me ask you first of all, Uwe, I won't let you respond, but my question just off the top, but my question at the top for you is, have you heard personally from Elon Musk?Have you talked to him about this?

No, not really.We just had exchanges as messages, basically.And what did he say to you?No, that was only that he liked what he saw.And if we if we could play the movie on X, right.And then we said, yeah, whatever.

If it's like a short term period, we maybe can do it.So but I need to say one thing.This Syrian refugee family where the son was a rapist, he did the gang rape.That's basically on a case what was in Hamburg a few years ago.And I think stuff like this is incites violence in the population.Because if you have eight rapists, and they don't get prosecuted, they all go to jail, like, you know, then people getting this kind of vigilante fantasies, right?

They think like, what the fuck?Why people don't go to jail?If they were a migrant rapist, don't go to jail as well.Jeffrey Epstein got away with it.In all your talk today, you say all Muslims arewhatever, victims, nonstop victims of right -wing attacks.

I never said that.No, you said that.You implied that in everything you said.No, no, no, no.And so the reality is that in my film, he goes against criminals, not Muslims, criminals.He murdered an entire family.

And that's the thing.No, he didn't.That's not true, Uwe.

No, he killed the entire family, Uwe.You're lying.

He killed the entire family.What are you talking about?No, no, no.And I'm not lying.

He shoots the entire family.

Were they all criminals?Was the girl a criminal?Was his sister a criminal?No, but she was okay with the rape and she saw the rape as a witness.So, and you support killing people for having views you don't like.Wow.

It's a fictional movie.It's a fictional movie.And you're talking in real life.You're saying killed only criminals.I pointed out he didn't kill only criminals.And you said you said, basically, what you say is that it doesn't really matter.

It was just a random Syrian family goes in and executes them total bullshit.I specifically said the son was a rapist and he killed the entire family.

And that clip is being shown as a moderate response.I've said this multiple times, that clip is being used online as a moderate response.You should condemn that.Well, you should condemn it.

You should condemn it.

If I made something, if I wrote something that was being used by far right people to incite violence, I would say.

The reality is that the people are fed up.with the situation, how it is, the migration doesn't work.

Which of the people?You don't speak for the people.People are fed up with Jeffrey Epstein too.Should they go around and kill Donald Trump and Republicans?Obviously not.Well, you mentioned Trump there.

People are upset with lots of things.

Well, hang on, hang on.You mentioned Trump there.There have been a lot of memes online replacing Armie Hammer with Trump.Let's take a look at this.You can see him there as citizen vigilante to the president.

Donald Trump, Jeffrey Epstein's good pal, man found liable for sexual abuse.

What is your view of Donald Trump?Because you were very, very critical of him a few years ago.You called him a fascist and so on.What's your view of him now?

No, I think that Trump won the election against Harris because Harris was a phony and totally not believable at all, not authentic.And I think that the Democrats, especially Biden, who was kind of dementia, completely dropped the ball.And that's the reason Donald Trump got reelected.So he didn't ask you that.

He said, what's your view of Trump?

No, the view of Trump now is that I think He started strong after he got elected, and then the thing's going a little sideways for him right now, right?I think the Iran war was just kind of an unplanned...

But when you called him in 2018, Uwe, you said of him, he was lying and lying and lying.This is about him winning in 2016.And his politic is only to make the rich richer and the poor poorer.

Yeah, but that's basically, unfortunately, most of the time the result of politics in general.But it's true.

He can't criticise him now.His entire crowd is MAGA.His entire audience is MAGA.

My only question would be, do you still think that Donald Trump is a serial liar whose politics only make the rich richer and the poor poorer, as you said in 2018?

No, I mean, that was, I think, based on the first term.What.Right.You don't you don't feel that.I think at the first term and I think also that Trump definitely takes care of his own family when he is the president.Now as we see in his filings.

Right.So and I think we just need to see it realistically.But the reality is alsothat I think that in total for the economy for example in the US and also with my immigration that eight million people just walked into the country and under Harris I think the people made the vote.and felt, OK, you know what?It doesn't work.

We need Trump again.So I'm not an American.I cannot vote there.Right.But I'm kind of on the side like a guy like Bill Maher, you know, who sees the the plus and the negative at the same time.And you have to evaluate what is the better way to go.

OK, you've answered the question.

Thank you both very much for a very interesting debate.I appreciate it.Perfect.Thank you.Piers Morgan Uncensored is proudly independent.The only boss around here is me.

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