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Let's just talk about...I mean, extraordinary.Friday, it transpired that 20 cars went into the Gloucester home of the King and Queen, Highgrove House, for some function to do with some organisation.And hidden within those 20 cars was, indeed, Harry, Meghan, Prince Archie...Is he Prince Archie?I've no idea.

Archie and Lilibet, reuniting with their grandfather for the first time in four years.Were you surprised at the news?Well, I was...

I suppose yes, but Megan needed something.The week had gone so wrong for Harry, most notably the court case, because she would have been at the Invictus Games, I'm pretty sure, launch on Friday if it had gone well.It was all the better for her not being there because he looked like the Harry of old.But then to see them go into a meet, I think that's a good thing in a way because it's from a family point of view.It's a grandfather.wanting to see his grandchildren.

Absolutely nothing wrong with that.But it was the soap opera of the week that every day was a different episode.That was what I think was so unedifying for everybody.And it's all Harry's doing.And then, you know, it started with him saying the judge, his verdicts was a whitewash, criticizing the King's court, you know, and a high court judge.So it was, you know, no wonder.

And Meghan didn't say a thing all week.And normally, if it had gone well, I'm pretty sure we would have heard her shouting from the rooftops.So I'm glad they did meet.If it was an hour, I don't know how long it was.There's all sorts of speculation, but at least they've met.He then appears doing goat yoga, I think, on Saturday.

Goat yoga?Well, there was some function.No, but Scotty Little Soldierof Maxtoke Castle in the Midlands.And I think...There was something like that, anyway.

Anyway, people can correct me if I've got it wrong, but...

Poppy, is there such a thing as goat yoga?

Goat yoga?

She just drinks pints and watches football.She wouldn't know.Goat yoga?

That's what he just said.

He just said goat yoga.

Is that some new drink that's trending that I haven't heard of?

No, no, no.I think the therapy of animals, basically.I think it's about helping people.

I've heard of dog antidepressants.I didn't realise they were moving into other solutions for animals.

My credibility's gone out the window with you, Jezza, with that statement, hasn't it?I'll just try and... ...find out exactly what was going on at Maxstoke Castle.I can see Poppy's googling away and running on the head.

So you're right.I saw the pictures of him afterwards... ...looking like the cat that had got the cream.She hasn't appeared.That's great.I'm a little bit more cynical.Maybe it was a box ticking exercise.

I know he loves his son, but they're so, so toxic.I mean, I want to talk about the other story, which is to do with this.Can you ever see a reunion between William and Harry?

Um, not at the moment.I don't think so.And I'm sure he might have had a view with his father about the whole thing.And for Meghan, it's achieved what she wants.It's once again re -established, and maybe not been seen, but we read the news story, that they're still part of the royal family.And that, I think, is what people find.

Oh, she didn't want to be part of the royal family.She called them racists and everything else.I know.

Well, don't they?But Brad Sussex is entirely dependent on some sort of association.Hence the reason why when you see all her packaging for her, as ever, all I can hope is that the jam, they had some proper jam served at the tea from Highgrove rather than the slop that Megan callsum, um, strawberry spread.Um, so...Strawberry spread?

Well, they can't call it a jam because the consistency's not quite right... ...and because it's sloppy, basically.Do you think she would have been...

Do you think that you say she'd have been chuffed to bits?Do you think it would have been awkward for her with Charles and Camilla?

I think the whole thing might have been a bit awkward.

Yeah.

Um, because I'm sure they would have briefed them and said, right...No pictures, no reporting to the press.There would have been definite confirmation of ground rules.Because what we don't want, or the Royal Family don't want, is that a couple of weeks down the line we have a bare -all interview from Harry saying, you know, what went on at the meeting, whether it was good, bad or indifferent.So that, I think, has to be the most important outcome of this.No leaking, no telling of what went on at the meeting.

If it does, then that will further erode trust between other members of the family.Do you think we'll ever see Megan again in the UK?Well, we may not see much of her, like this week, you know, it's been strictly private and that's what it should be.

Yeah.

You know, and so that unless she's in a working capacity, I think she's still patron of a couple of British charities still.The Jam Society.No, I think there's a couple of others, maybe, that she's still involved with, but whether they, you know, want her to be involved, I don't know.

Sorry, Chris, give me an extra minute.Christian's just said something brilliant.The Jam Society, just about managing, yeah.Meghan Markle, just about bloody managing.Belli, you're an absolute star, me old son.It'll be interesting to see what happens.

They've got their bit that they can...I mean, let's be honest, Bran Sussex is dead.Everything they touch is a disaster.They've got the political, well, I was going to say the social awareness of two of the most tone -deaf people in the world but at least he's ticked a box, Charles, and we move on from there.

First of all, we'll talk about what I would describe as the shambles of Harry and Meghan and the kids' visit over the weekend, which did at least result in the King getting to see his grandchildren, Archie and Lilibet, for the first time in four years.So it wasn't all bad news but we'll talk about the visit generally in a second but I think we need to discuss quite an important news line and that is this we are told that the King and the Royal courtiers, the royal staff, are absolutely furious with Harry for his response to his crushing defeat by the Daily Mail in the High Court last week.You know, a four -year case culminating in a 46 -day trial.Forty journalists from the Mail interviewed, various celebrities interviewed, the result of which was that all 97 of Harry's allies Allegations of illegality, phone hacking, planting microphones, using unlawful detectives.All 97 were thrown out of court ignominiously.Absolutely shameful on the part of Harry.

Harry immediately announces this is a typical whitewash, blah, blah, blah.Well, there's two sides to this.First of all, the King, in the end, these are the King's courts.They're his courts.The judge, in the end, is His Majesty's judge.He cannot have his son going round insulting the courts of this land and the judges of this land.

Secondly, Harry is so stupid, because Mr Justice Nicklin, is now sitting in judgment of what costs to award the Daily Mail.This case has cost £50 million.The Daily Mail, quite reasonably, is saying, well, we didn't bring the case.We didn't want to have the case.We've had to wage this case.We've had to defend ourselves.

The costs should be paid.surely should not be ours.Usually, judges will go, no, you're absolutely right, you're the defendants, you want the case, they have to pay for you.Well, any doubts that Mr Justice Nicklin might have had about that surely got dispelled when Harry accused him of presiding over a whitewash.What a stupid, dumb thing for the dim duke to do.

Yeah, it's completely ludicrous, isn't it?And actually, as you said, that the feeling about that goes back to his father.His father's not well, he's got cancer.So when the king is in a difficult position, because that's what his son is actually doing, it's absolutely appalling.He doesn't know.And how can he make a judgment like that?

I mean, the Justice Nicklin is a very well -known, careful lawyer and somebody to come in like Harry and say, no, it's not.I'm the one who knows about this lot.You know, it's absolutely true that he's going to have a very bad time.In two weeks, I think the 29th of July, the judge decides who is going to pay what.So that would be very interesting because he feels that Harry will have to pay a lot of money because it's all about him so the thing is I think Harry will get money from somebody else you know he'll he'll ask his friends and see what he can get Elton John will be the best one I think because he's got masses of money but I think Harry has got to understand that his behaviorincredibly badly.

And when I watched him, you know, on Invictus Games, it just made me very upset and angry that he could be dancing about and kissing sheep and doing all silly things.It was a goat!It was a goat, Angela.You've got to get it right.I think it's the same thing, isn't it, really, in terms of kissing?I thought that I would know.

Well, I was hoping not.No, but, I mean, seriously, you're right.I mean, there he is making these photogenic visits, and, oh, look at me meeting hospital staff, and aren't I wonderful?As if it was just, you know, a classic royal ribbon -cutting visit.It wasn't.It was a complete chaotic shambles in which the King had to announce in the end, you can't stay at Buckingham Palace, you've left it too late.

Suddenly, it's all up in the air, but they did manage to fly in Meghan, Archie and Lilibet from Portugal.We didn't get to see them.They went straight to Highgrove and at last the King got to see his grandchildren.But it was all, it was all, it was just a mess, wasn't it?

Yes, it was a mess.And what's very interesting about it is that the king insisted that Camilla would be with him.Camilla is very careful about how people talk to him, and particularly Harry.She was in once before.The two of them could not do what they wanted.Harry had sent through a list of what he wanted.

He stayed in one of the palaces.and everything was going to be what they wanted and they didn't get a thing actually.I think they must have absolutely hated it becausethere would have been conversation but not very warm because Megan would be absolutely lost with anger.And I don't know how they got on with the children.Somebody said to me they didn't come in the end, but I'm sure that they did because he wanted to see them.

But you can't actually make friends with a five and a seven year old instantly and play with them and make it nice.They have a sort of mini house in the garden.And so he probably, the king probably said that the kids can play with that, which would have been very nice.Up a tree, it's very nice.

Yeah, I've seen that house.But I reckon that, you know, I mean, you know what little kids are like.This is both of them, basically, for more than half their lives, they haven't seen their grandfather.They're probably going, who's that guy?You know, it's a very sad situation brought upon them by their father and their mother.

I think it's also the same thing for their grandmother, Diana, because I think if a five and a seven -year -old have to go to water where she is...

She's on an island, isn't she?

Yeah, she's on an island.And she's there, and what do you say to a child?There is your grandmother.I think they'd be terrified that she was...I think it's not a very nice thing to show your little ones.But that is very important to them.

Harry wanted to do that.So that's what they did.

What do you think that is about?I mean, that just strikes me as headline hunting, to be honest with you.

Yeah, but it's also about the fact that they want to do a series about Diana towards her death.and that will be very useful.So who knows if they've started taking photographs of her.Harry was going toa lot in it and Megan too you want to go oh please save it I know exactly right now they've flown back that we understand now to California and the family the Sussexes so what's going on with Harry and Megan now as far as I can work out none of them neither of them have got particularly much on their plate especially him Yes, well I think he thought that he could win what he wanted with his father, that he would win the case which would have made him feel strong and muscular and you know, I knew this would happen.

The dragon slayer.

Yeah, and he would actually feel that everything else is good.And I think the very, very quick way he dealt with the Invictus gamers and the children who were ill, that was just to show how quickly he could be.And I think that was to upset William, because in a way showing, I can do anything you can do much quicker than you.And I think that the whole thing, he was set to win, and he has been who's gone losing.That's my feeling.

More fantastic publicity for that family.Meghan would have hated that, wouldn't she?She would have been absolutely furious.

She'd blame it on Harry because she'd have said, well, why didn't you get me a seat?Why wasn't I allowed?in the, you know, where I should be with everybody else?You know, everyone should have seen me.Why not?You know, I'm very important, more important than anybody in the whole world.

Oh dear, those two, those two.

We haven't spoken since the bombshell news that under the guise...Where did you go?Well, I've been busy.Under the guise of Charles and Camilla at Highgrove, beautiful house, which you passed on the way to the children's racecourse.Anyway, under the guise of some sort of 20 people coming to look around Highgrove, through the back on Friday in a blacked -out van, sped Prince Harry, Meghan Unsparkle and the two children to see their grandfather.We're not quite sure how long it lasted.

Some people are saying an hour.Some are saying months.The fallout from it has been we're all sitting waiting for it to be leaked, nothing so far.Apparently William was appalled.The following day Harry looked like the cat that got the cream because you and I both know that the Sussex brand's dead now isn't it?Anywhere in the world unless they can actually prove to have some link still with the very family they spend their entire life slagging off.

Well, I don't know that they will kill that link.I think he's going to be OK with everything, because Sir Elton John's going to pay him masses of money.

Who is?Who is?Sir Elton John.He's going to pay who masses of money?Oh, Harry.

Harry.

Oh, yes, this is because he lost, didn't he, that court case last week, and he doesn't have the money to pay legal bills of up to £20 million after humiliating defeat, but A -list pal Elton might come to the rescue.And Meghan is furious.What does that mean?Why is she furious?

Well, Meghan is furious because she hasn't done everything she wanted.When they knew they were going to come to the UK and London, she sent a list of what she wanted done for her at Buckingham Palace.Can you believe that?that?But they didn't go to a palace, they went to her home, and she didn't get what she wanted.Both of them had been demanding no Camilla, no Queen.

They don't like her, so they didn't want her in there.But the King likes her very much.

Well, he's married to her.Yeah.I mean, I like my current wife, because I'm married to her.Not so keen on the other two, obviously, but I mean, if you're married to somebody, you like them at that point, don't you?

But Camilla didn't like it, and Harry didn't like it, so that's much more important than the King liking his wife.But anyway, she was there, and she was there just to make sure everything was calm.Yes.Because Harry could have gone shouting, and Camilla wouldn't be able to say what she would want to say.She probably didn't give them a jam or honey, you know, as a present, and to help her thing going, because there were no pictures.So, really, I was quite shocked the King saw them, because I felt he can't actually be so close, but actually thinking about it and looking things up, it was quite clever.

Yeah.

Because they couldn't do anything they wanted.

Well, I'll tell you why I think he...Absolutely nothing.you with you because I think there was I mean I don't think William was very happy and I think the Queen was very happy but I'll tell you why I think it's clever and I thought about this overnight because I don't know much else to do because I don't sleep.My son has been emotionally blackmailing him and wants to deal with it.and titles before the King passes.That's me being very straight and very honest with everybody because there's not a look in... there isn't a chance in hell that William will ever thaw.

That's my opinion.So, the King was under that sort of pressure.He didn't want to be criticised for not seeing his grandchildren.But the truth of the matter is it was probably an hour.If they leak anything, anything at all, right, that's it forever and they know it.If it is just what it is, how much does that benefit the Sussex brand?

Not much.I asked you why she was furious because I think she'll be furious about that.I think she'll be furious about the 20 million.I think she might well be furious because she sussed out that none of us want her in our bloody country, if you want me to be honest.

Yeah, but also Harry said that he would do his absolute best to stop them letting the mail go, continue, right?And he spoke to the judge and everything saying, you know, Meghan is so miserable, it's just got so miserable, it's just terrible.And he hoped, like she hoped, They would feel, well, a wonderful woman like Meghan... ...can't actually have this effect.So that's what they were trying to do, to make her happy.And she wasn't.She hasn't got what she wanted.

Do you think she's a bit of hard work for Harry or Meghan?

Harry does hard work for Meghan.Yes, he does.He does, tries to please her.He wants to make her happy, but she's a woman who doesn't actually happy easily, if ever, because she always wants more and more.Nothing is good enough.And this was not good enough because she didn't like how the, still doesn't like how the male works.

And she could have brought it down because Harry was so determined, but luckily the judge and everybody else tried hard not to, because it wasn't right.But this is why she feels that she's above everybody.You know, she is...

she's got such a sort of...

Narcissist.Yeah, well, I don't say that word because I'm not a doctor, because I don't know.But she is terrible, nasty, and she makes things very, very difficult.And Harry can't keep up with her.

Do you think she knows, Angela?Serious question here.Do you think she knows?how unpopular she is?

She can't understand it.

Oh, really?What, because she thinks she's brilliant?

More than.Yes, she does feel that way.And she is, you know, a marvellous, amazing human person.And anybody who actually doesn't like her is out in her sort of...

It was interesting that she wasn't seen at all in England.I do think that is relevant.They obviously slipped in and out.You're right, probably.Actually, she didn't get...Is an audience with the King enough?

Do you know what I felt like saying last week?Because I never think anything through, because I'm getting that old, I forget what I thought before I write it down.They called him...What's the kid called?

What's the son of Harry called?

Archie, Prince Archie and Princess Liliba.I'm really surprised that those two want the kids to have titles bestowed upon them by a racist organisation that they loathe.I didn't really understand that.

Yes, she wants to have that because this is what she's created from her body or from her life.She's got two children who are royals.She doesn't like it, but she likes it for the kids.kids and I think it's awful for them because I think children would be attacked and bullied when they've got a very long sting like this.what they've got, you know.And I think that she just thinks that, that she's achieved something marvellous.

But she doesn't actually think that things are very clever for her.

What do you...I mean, you're a thinker.Where do you go from, with respect, where do you go from a product of jam?that doesn't work.What's next?I mean, the jam's a flop.

The podcast was a flop.Spare was a flop.Everything's been a flop.Why don't you just get the message and sod off and bring your kids up?

She doesn't feel she's a flop.Oh.The people who've been working with it, with her, are the flop.

Is that why she sacks them all the whole time, Angela?

Yes, of course.She's doing that.And the one thing that worries me is that they went to the...Where is it that...Portugal?No, no, no, no.

Where they went to see the water where Diana's died.

Oh, Althorpe House.

Althorpe, thank you.Althorpe, because she wants to do a programme about it, you see.Harry's going to produce it with her.Now, they're obviously going to take photographs of this, and actually it's just shocking that she could have been allowed to do that.

She's going to make a programme about Diana, the late, great Diana Spencer.She is, Meghan.

– Meghan is, because... – Will she get a star in it as herself?

– Cameo role, is it?

– I don't know.But Netflix wouldn't do anything for them, so she's doing it under her own working, with Harry.And they'll try and do it together.Can you imagine?She's going to let him do anything, she'll be doing it.– Don't tell me they took cameras to the grave, so... – Loads of nasty things in all the time.

And she'll do that because she thinks she's the only person who can bring this thing out and do it well.And so people will look at it and say, well done, Megan.But they won't, because it'll be rude, unkind, spiteful, nasty.It will be boring.

Is that how you describe Megan, those things?Could be.Do you know what somebody's just said to my ear?Watching you and I on television as we both forget the names and everything, it's like watching two old people in a home.It's great, isn't it?Shall we just get old together gracefully?

Oh, that's awful.

You're younger than me, though, aren't you, Levin?

I'm not saying anything about my age.You're much younger than that.I don't know what your age is.

Sixty -one.

Fifty -one?Ah.Sixty -one.61.

Yeah, good.Anyway, doctor's ready for you, Angela.So, Dickie, a game tonight.Will you have a pint in your hand and the television on?Is it coming home?Are we going to beat the Arges, Dickie?

Well, it's about time we did beat the Arges.There was a wonderful pic on X -Stroke Twitter of the referee for tonight's match.Margaret Thatcher.

Amazing.Honestly, I saw it.At 60 years, a German's managing us.It's got to come home.We've got to deal with a mess here and I think we've got a great chance.Dickie, thank you for joining us, albeit briefly.

So much in the news, obviously, about Ann Widdicombe has been tragic this week and we've been talking about that, this country in the middle of so many crises, a new Prime Minister, and yet the royal stories just keep coming.I haven't spoken to you since Harry and Meghan had a surprise hours audience with the King and the Queen last Friday at Highgrove.I said yesterday, I'd love you taking this, I thought it was quite genius by Charles, I think it ticks a box.I think that if it's ever leaked or if anything comes out, he'll never entertain them again.I completely get that William and Camilla probably disagree with it, but it's done and put to bed.And again, this whole sort of, you know, I want my children to be prince and princess, but I think your organisation's racist is beyond me with her, mate.

Well, he's a dad.He wants reconciliation with his son.despite everything that's gone before it.And good on him for entertaining.Just keep fingers crossed that there are no leaks to the press.There's certainly no photographers around, and there were no photographers snapping his arrival.

So maybe they'll get away with it.But a lot of fences got to be repaired.I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall with the Queen in the same room.She would have had a face like a meat hat.going along with her husband's choice of seeing his son and his grandchildren.The relationship with the daughter -in -law, oh, I think that's irrelevant, really.

No, I couldn't agree more.A couple of stories in the papers today.Shamed Andrew back in the saddle.This is The Sun, page 9.He takes reins after riding by an ex -prince loaned nag by the king.So he's now riding round Sandringham.

That's what his life has become, just riding horses round.

Let's get this in perspective.banned from riding in Windsor Great Park.Windsor Great Park has thousands of people walking through it.I know, I live there.Yeah, of course you did.And the optics would have been bad.

Riding at Sandringham, it's in the wilds of Norfolk.There are a few people walking around there.But come on, you know, the guy's up there.He's got nothing to do.Going out riding and hacking for an hour on a horse is not going to upset anybody.The only people that are stalking him are the paparazzi.

Yeah, listen, I think, I just think that because of almost every vile thing that he's been associated with, I think that anybody will write, he's doing this, he's doing that, because they're desperate to see some sort of resolution.Dickie, the other thing, it's an extraordinary story this morning.I'm almost embarrassed to share this with you, because you remind me so much of my father, although obviously much younger.Prince Harry's bizarre hair confession.Have you read about this?The Duke claims...

Yeah, I have read about it, and quite frankly, it seems Harry's mouth was engaging before his brain.The Spencers are redheads, whether he likes it or not.Go back to the 19th century, one of his forebears, the 5th Earl Spencer, was called the Red Earl.So there's nothing to be ashamed of being red.But, and this is the big but, Harry's called himself Sunset Orange.Sunset Orange is associated with hair dye.

Dickie Arbiter knows everything.Basically, he claimed, did the Duke, that he's not aginger.And he opens up about brutal carrot -top bullying.Now, my brother -in -law, I won't name him, Greg, he says, I'm strawberry blonde.He's not his ginge.

He's absolutely ginge.And does it matter, being a ginge?

It doesn't matter at all.You know, people say, I haven't got any hair.Well, I have got a bit of hair around the sides.But so what?William hasn't got any hair.So what?

Harry's a ginger.Live with it.It is genetic.It is a family trait.Don't be ashamed of it.But don't start saying...

I don't want to get into trouble.Is it a family trait?It is a family trait, yeah.His aunts, Sarah McCorquodale and Lady Jane Fellow...Yeah, that's true, they are ginger, yeah.They were ginger.

As I said a moment ago, the red earl in the 19th century was ginger.Harry's grandfather, Johnny Spencer, in his early days was ginger.There's nothing to be ashamed of.There is something to be ashamed of, I think, if you say you're not ginger, but you are sunset orange, which means he's dyeing his hair.

What do you call yourself, Dickie?Just white and thinning or what?I call myself white and bald.Kinsey Schofield, good morning.

Good morning.

We're not happy in England today.We lost the football to the bloody Argentinians.Oh, yeah.Yeah.

I'm sorry.

And we don't have a prime minister who would phone up in Fortuno and say, can you please make sure we win, unlike the Americans.Are you all right, darling?Have you been poorly, as we say in England?

I am poorly.Can I tell you what I would give Keir Starmer on his way out?

I love...Sorry, is this your throat?Your voice sounds incredible.You need to do some voiceover work today.Yes.

I would buy him Dale Carnegie's How to Win Friends and Influence People.

That's very good.Did you catch this on the plane back from seeing us last week?Seriously.

You know, I slept maybe three hours a night every night while I was there.

Oh, well.more than I did last night but that's another story.I have so much to talk to you about.There's rumours today, and just verifying on a royal front entirely, what we've talked about.Prince William apparently has no plans at all to end his war with his brother.He avoided him on his UK return last week, vehemently angry with how his brother has treated the monarchy in general.

He said it last week.I don't think that will ever thaw, do you?

No, I mean, can you blame him?And that's the strength that we're looking for in a future monarch, you know, standing by your principles, standing by your wife and your family and protecting protecting your family's peace, which is ultimately what he's doing and keeping a distance between him and Prince Harry.I think that King Charles is meeting with Prince Harry ultimately.And I understand a man living with cancer, grandchildren.But I think, ultimately, it makes him look weak.And a lot of people are disappointed that Meghan gets to do a victory lap with her daytime Emmy nomination.

I thought that, sweet.But then, I have to be honest, I think in the end, and I know that William and Camilla were against the idea of it, but in the end, you know, I think to myself, it's actually quite clever, and I'll tell you why.He can tick the box, Charles, tick the box of, I'm a dad, I'm seeing my son, I've not been, I can't be accused of ostracising him.There was obviously real, real, real pressure for them not to print or say anything.And if anything does come from that, then he has the absolute right to say, we're done.You say she's got a tick, Yeah, her kids met the king, their grandfather.

But in her world, she would want that scene, she would want that heard.I don't think that will have done much to her.I think the reason she didn't share her faith with the king...Kingdom is because she knows what people think about her here.I really do think that.

I mean, I do too.She just got a Daytime Emmy nomination, though, so...What?What?Working on Sunshine.

Sorry, sorry.I know you've lost your voice and we're crap at football.She's...Meghan Markle's got a Daytime Emmy nomination.

For With Love, Meghan, the show that was recently cancelled.

Is that the one where she said, oh, look what I can do with the pavlova?

Look at my bag of pretzels.I'm putting it in another bag of pretzels.

Who's fawning and giving her that?Daytime Emmy nominations, very few of us get those.

Well, you know, what she did was, obviously, one of the production companies paid to have her considered for the nomination.And then, yeah.Wow.

You're on one today.

Well, no, I mean, that's the way it goes.You have to pay to be considered.The industry looks at a group.And yes, I think five are chosen.But she's in a very unique niche category.And so will she win?

I don't know.The show's Absolutely ludicrous.Meet my best friends.Hi, nice to meet you.

Never met them.Welcome to my kitchen.It's not my kitchen.Have a look at my recipe.I've never cooked a bloody meal in my life.I mean, the whole thing's...

That program...Did you ever see it, Poppy?

What's this?The Meghan Markle show?

Yeah, where she was in the kitchen.

Why would I watch a Meghan Markle television show, Jeremy?Well, you need to be more with it.Did you not see it?It blew us all away.I try my very best to avoid Meghan Markle, but she is working so hard.to protect her privacy, being the public eye at every opportunity, that I find it impossible to avoid her.

I thought that you would have had...I thought you'd quite like me.Markle.

On the basis of what?What kind of insult is this?

No, no, I'm not insulting you.I'm scared of you this morning.I've had no sleep and your boyfriend got upset about the football.She does though.Both of you would agree with this.She doesn't get the bloody message, does she?

No.She doesn't kins...I mean, I don't think she showed her face this week, because actually, essentially, right, nobody wants...I'm sorry, it's a fact.Burn that bridge.Yeah.

Just insulted our royal family, they're all racist, and yet you want your kids to be a prince and princess associated with something that you vehemently hate.

Well, Kinsey won't be able to say it.It's not just the people in the UK that don't want her.I don't think people in America are that fast about her either.

They've just given her an Emmy nomination.I just don't understand.What, for a show that's cancelled?I spent 15 years doing a daytime television show.I won 6 % of the year awards, but I never got nominated for an Emmy.Well, that's because you're not part of the royals, I suppose.

Or formerly part of the royals.

That's true.

Well, I do agree that she will be disappointed that there's not proof yet that she met with the king.But if I were Queen Camilla, I'd be counting the toilet paper rolls and the silver.to ensure that she didn't steal anything out of Highgrove.

So she's a tea leaf as well as a complete nightmare.Also, by the way, you know Prince Harry, who didn't have a great week, did he?Because he came over and lost his case against Associated Newspapers.Then there was a story that Elton was going to shove him 20 million.Apparently, Elton said you can shove it.Today, former Justice Secretaries have said that Harry's attack on the hacking case, Judge, was totally unacceptable.

He said it was a whitewash.So the legal system of which your father's in charge, you describe as a complete whitewash in the United Kingdom.

And that's one of the reasons why I couldn't believe King Charles saw him so quickly after he was so disrespectful and released that statement.However, to your point, I wonder if King Charles, legacy -wise, wants to beas the bigger person, because Harry and Meghan are never going to be.So this is King Charles saying, you know, I put our issues aside, and I saw my grandchildren, and I saw my son, and in a way, gave my son the win that he needed by seeing him on this failure of a trip.

How do you solve a problem like Prince Harry?Two former justice secretaries have criticised the Duke of Sussex for attacking the judge who presided over his hacking case against the publishers of the Daily Mail, a case that he famously lost.Let's get the views of Di Davies, who is the former head of Royal Protection.Good afternoon, Di.

Good afternoon to you.You know, there's a lovely saying, engage brain before opening mouth, or I may look stupid, but don't confirm it by opening your mouth.And I'm afraid in both.those cases, Harry fulfils that saying.He opens his mouth wrongly, foolishly, on numerous occasions.And here we go again, attacking the judge, well out of order as far as I'm concerned.

And Prince Harry has previous on this die, referring to the decision by the UK authorities not to grant him armed royal protection whilst in the UK as an establishment stitch -up.which was not the case.They were simply following the rules.

Absolutely.And as we saw, his wife and his family were able to come, apparently, to Highgrove, see the king, and you and I and the rest of us didn't know anything about it, which has been the case that I've been making so often on this channel and others, that if they go quietly to various places, then we wouldn't know, and it's perfectly possible.He is the author of his own misfortune time and time again and sadly he is neurotic as far as some of my friends who are reporters on the Daily Mail and I've known them for 30 years and I would trust them implicitly.That's my faith in the ones I know.

Well, it's quite shocking, isn't it, Di, how intemperate the Duke of Sussex's language was after losing this case against the publishers of the Daily Mail.He described it as a complete and obvious whitewash.He said the lengths to which the court has gone to exonerate the Mail is as shocking as it is totally unwarranted.He said the judgment relies almost exclusively on the evidence of journalists and senior executives at associated newspapers, whilst dismissing compelling evidence from others.Well, I'm not sure how compelling that evidence was.For example, Dai, his claim that he didn't know anything about Charlotte Griffiths, the editor -at -large at the Mail on Sunday, before cutting off contact.

Well, a rather intimate set of exchanges would demonstrate the opposite was the case.

Well, that's the trouble.If you're going to go to court, you better get your story right.And clearly, on a number of occasions, he got it completely wrong.And the judge, who's a very, very experienced media judge, who sits as a chair of a variety of committees, he is an excellent judge by all accounts.I don't know him.But seriously, he spent a lot of time, and I think there are over 400 pages, broken down in about 250 paragraphs, which I haven't read, but each one of them exonerates those men and women who are as decent, I'm sure, as Harry thinks he is.

In fact, I know so many of them, and they are decent people, and if peoplepeople give decent, honest opinion and evidence, then the judge is entitled to believe them.

97 claims against the Daily Mail were thrown out.

Yes, because the evidence wasn't there.And as we've learned, suspicion is one thing.I've got a lot of suspicion about Harry and his teams.I really do.But that's not evidence.And you can't go to court.

So it's amazing that the lawyers and I find 50 million for this case extraordinary.Somebody is milking the system and it should be looked at how on earth you can gather 50 million.And that basically must go on lawyers on each side.It is extraordinary.

And it's not the best use of court time either, Dai.

Well, it isn't.There are so many pressing issues in this country.And again, Harry has to accept now after seven years.of constantly in the headlines for a variety of different reasons.And unfortunately, the Mirror didn't fight the case to the level that the Daily Mail did, or Associated Press.And Piers Morgan was saying on his channel, you know, I wish they had shown the same gumption as the Daily Mail, because they're a decent paper.

They make mistakes, of course they do, we all do.But as far as I'm concerned, the vast majority of their reporters are decent, honest, and their evidence was believed, and I'm delighted to hear that.

Alex Chalk, KC, served under Rishi Sunak as Justice Secretary Dai, and he said expressing disagreement with the judgment is perfectly reasonable, but Prince Harry's attack on a High Court judge was over -the -top, personal and unacceptable.Judges act in the same name of the King as...Sorry, judges act in the name of the King and swear an oath of allegiance to the Sovereign.That's how our Constitution works.As Harry should know better than I do,however disappointed he was with the result, insulting one of His Majesty's judges is a line he should not have crossed.

Sir Robert Buckland has said the tone and content of the attack was not appropriate.The King won't be happy with these remarks.

I wouldn't have thought so.If I was his father, I wouldn't be very happy either.And I would have counseled him a long time ago not to go there.But he did.He insisted.He has a thing about the press, rightly or wrongly, in his opinion, that he's entitled to opinion.

But what he's not entitled to do is to allege a judge is corrupt.A judge is part of the whitewash of the establishment, which he constantly alleges.That's a serious allegation.He's very foolish because the same judge is going to afford the costs.And I'd be very surprised if he didn't get the large majority of it.I hope he does, because it might just shut him up for once.

What do you make of the Duke of Sussex's mental state at the moment, Di, and his judgment?I know you're not a mind reader, but it seems, based upon his actions, that he's not in a good place at the moment.

what he doesn't appear to be and it's sad because you know people would like his father the king to reconcile in one sense i mean that's quite a big ask really of the royal family given what harry has written about claimed and all the rest of it and i've said many times on your program and others if they just kept quiet got on with their lives in the united states left the rest of us to get on with our lives He would not be under this so -called paranoia fear of threat.I've looked at some of those threats, and frankly, they don't stand up to scrutiny either.And I speak with half a century of experience in policing and security worldwide.I don't know who's advising him legally, security -wise, and all the rest of it.But what I would say is, if there wasan iota of real threat perceived in this country, he would get the appropriate security.

No ifs, no buts.

So you think that he's safe in the United Kingdom in the absence of official royal protection?

I do indeed, and I'll stake my professional reputation on it.The last time Royalty Protection had to use their firearms was in 1974 when Princess Anne was almost kidnapped.And again, even when now Queen Camilla was going into a riot and somebody put a pole almost taking her head off, the officers didn't pull their guns.So the reality is, that yes, you never know, because you can never be 100%.But if you look at VIPs across the board now, and we have a big discussion, who should get protection?But there's a limit to how many officers are trained to do it, how many can do it.

So we've got to have a system and structure, which is called a RABAC, the committee that looks at these things.They are advised by intelligence, by the police, and those who have the knowledge.So we have to accept there has to be a structure.He doesn't, unfortunately.

Dai, if it's not about safety, what might have motivated Prince Harry's campaign to have armed cops in the UK?

Well, it's the fact that if you have them, they're very good.and they can make things happen very quickly.They can take appropriate measures to fly you through from airports and VIP, which I'm sure he gets anyway.You can go through traffic with blue lights and all the rest of it.It allows you to have others to make the travel arrangements for you, to review it, to structure it, and so on and so forth.When it works, it's first class.

He doesn't, in my opinion, now deserve it because he's here quite often on commercial flights.

it a flex?Is it an ego trip?

Well, you might think that, and I might agree with you.But at the end of the day, it has to be about safety and security.I worked in LA, as I've said many times, it's hugely dangerous.There were nearly half a million violent attacks in the last five years, and yet he chooses to live in LA.You couldn't make it up.in my opinion.

Di, before I let you go, we haven't spoken since the horrific murder of our very good friend Anne Whittacombe.What is your appraisal of what has happened, the investigation?We know that the cops have just got to get on with their job now, we don't want to speculate, but can I just ask for your view of what happened?

Well it's horrific and my condolences to you and because I knew you knew her very well.I've met her once or twice, she was charming.Everybody who actually knew her says what a lovely lady she was.So I take great upturn of people who try and decry her.But that's one thing.The police have a job to do.

Devon and Cornwall, I'm sure, were doing their best in the circumstances.Who advised them to say some of the things they did?I've always learned, keep an open mind.And that's what I'm saying to you.I'm keeping an open mind as to the motive.behind this individual.

Clearly, something sparked them because he was arrested for further terrorism offenses, and they don't do that lightly, so I presume there must be evidence to indicate preparation, etc., etc., of alleged terrorism, which includes attacking a reformed spokesman.And quite often we miss the fact that she was a reformed, everybody says she was a Tory MP, well we all know that, but she was a reformed spokesman and an important one.So clearly we have to look at those issues whenreform are more targeted than other, to Tories or even left, you know.I would imagine some of the former extreme left people could be equally under threat, given that we have so many nutters.Lastly I'll tell you is there are nearly a thousand on the current fixated threat assessment.

20 % of them, as I understand, are dangerous.That doesn't include people who are terrorist -motivated and are clean -skinned.So we've got a bit of a problem in this country, and I hope the police, in whatever shape and form, are tackling it.They've got seven days or less now, five days, to interrogate this man, and I'm hoping they find out what his motive was, and therefore we can then apply common sense and the appropriate.There's a strange word in today's world, isn't it?Common sense.

Apply it when you're doing anything about protection and security.

It works wonderful.is a sort of rugby player over here who appeared on The Traitors and became quite a star.As a result he started up his own podcast called Joe Marla will see you now and that's a kind of mock therapy podcast and Prince Harry went on to this and it was all a bit tragic really because Joe started saying well what so he acts like he's your inquisitor your professionalplease, your job.So Harry was stumped by this, he didn't know what to say.So at first he said, I don't know, full -time dad, former British serviceman, English prince.

And then he settled on Duke, in other words.He doesn't know what the hell he does in his life.Let's have a look at this weird interlude on Joe Mahler's podcast.

Harry.Harry.Age.Age.Occupation.Full -time dad.

British Army veteran.Prince of England.

Juke.

But for today...But for today...I don't know.What do you want?Juke.

Sycophantic left -wing comedians acting like what he's saying is funny.He's about as funny as a funeral on a wet Monday.But there you have it, Kinsey.A 41 -year -old man who has no idea what he's doing with his life.He cannot tell them.what he does for a job, what he does, how he occupies his life.

He doesn't know what it is that he does.And that is tragic, isn't it?It's a real window into the vacuum of his empty life.

Well, on top of the Duke, you know, the Duke being what he says his title is, when they ask him his full name, he doesn't correctly answer his full name.

He doesn't know his own name.

Right.He includes Duke of Sussex.which to me tells me that his entire identity is still built around his royal, you know, relationships, his royal family.which he's deserted, Kevin.He told Oprah Winfrey, my brother and my father are in a prison when describing what their roles were.He said, I was born into this family, but I never wanted this life.

Then go away.Also, from a PR perspective, and I know I beat this to death when I was in London last week, But if I'm Invictus and I'm watching you do this interview to allegedly promote Invictus, then I am livid that the first words out of your mouth aren't the founder of the Invictus Games, that I'm not pushing Invictus from the get.

The thing is, good for him with the Invictus Games.It's a very worthy event for wounded veterans.Nobody would criticise the Invictus Games or his commitment to the Invictus Games.But this is a once -every -two -year sporting event, and it's about the only thing in his life.That's not a job.By the way, Duke... is not a job.

This podcast revealed the emptiness of his life.There's no purpose in it.There's no job.You know, I like the way he says, I didn't choose to be born, I didn't want to choose to be born into this.But he clearly quite revels in not having to earn a living, doesn't he?

Amen.Yeah, I mean, this is not a new strategy for Prince Harry.Remember, he did the Hasan Minhaj podcast not too long ago here in the States.He looks for, you know, left -leaning comedians.I just think in the UK,he found a group that was more willing to let him in on the joke, whereas in the States, because he's kind of such a bonehead, he becomes the butt of the joke.

Like Hasan Minhaj is making fun of him in the middle of that podcast.And he's tried to do it with a couple of different podcasts and comedians here in the United States.I think he fell into a little bit of luck here with this group that will sit back and fake laugh at his sense of humor.But yeah, I mean, I He's also, I think I told you via text message, trying to recreate the magic of Prince William's Kelsey Brothers, New Heights interview that recently went so viral.But you know, how can you recreate that magic?William appearing on Travis Kelsey's podcast the day he marries Taylor Swift and William being so authentic and sincere and organic.

which is something that Harry just is unable to do at this point because he's so wrapped up in Meghan's world.I mean, you're right.It does give us a sense that he is absolutely lost, rudderless, trying to find his way.And I also think stressing that he desperately misses home.

Yeah, exactly right.Now listen, let's rewind a little to that chaotic visit to Britain last week by him and latterly Meghan and the kids.We assume they came and we never saw them.It was all behind closed doors.Meghan not wishing, I think, to expose herself to, shall we say, a sceptical British public.She doesn't want to walk the streets of this country because people will boo her.

her.We don't like her.She doesn't like us.She called us a nation ofslave -driving racists.We don't tend to take kindly to that kind of talk.

So, all behind closed doors.But we do hear, eventually, at Highgrove House, the King's country mansion, he finally got to see his grandchildren, actually, in a little bit after four long years.So that's nice, and apparently that was a very charming reunion.But that actual event was quite strained Bye! frosty because Camilla can't stand Harry and detests Meghan and doesn't trust them, insisted on being with them at all times to make sure that anything they said didn't end up in the press.So it wasn't quite this kind of hearts and flowers event that some of the papers here tried to depict.That said, I want to ask you what you think Meghan would have made, because I think she was probably here in the country at the time, of the Prince and Princess of Wales, George and Charlotte, going to the Wimbledon final, sitting there in the front row of the Royal Box, looking like a picture, like the perfect family, fantastic publicity.

Megan, seeing that, would have died a death, wouldn't she?

Yeah, because there were, you know, rumours that if Serena Williams lasted, A significant amount that we might see Megan pop up there because Serena had brought Megan to Wimbledon in the past.But Serena didn't last very long.

About an hour and a half, I think.

Yeah, I call that being Markled.You know, you show allegiance to the wrong team and karma seems to catch up to you in the Markle style.But yeah, I mean, the Prince and Princess of Wales did show unity throughout the last few weeks.The day we understand that King Charles met with the Sussexes, we saw Prince William and Catherine affectionately kissing on a polo field at Windsor.And then whenever we see the kids, it's a huge treat for us.I imagine my biggest question surrounding the meeting is who dictated that Buckingham Palace would confirm said meeting happened and what was the objective?

because we wouldn't know if Buckingham Palace didn't confirm.So who instigated the confirmation and why?Why did anyone think that it was important for us to know?

I would say it's probably the Sussex spin machine at work again.Before you go, Kinsey, I've got to ask you this.With Love, Meghan, Ms Markle's disastrous dirge of a show that flops terribly, on Netflix with Love, Megan, has been nominated for an Emmy.At first you go, oh, it's been nominated for an Emmy, but if you read the small print, it's been nominated for a daytime Emmy, so that'll probably mean it's up against, what, Days of Our Lives or something like that, General Hospital.Why a daytime Emmy?Because it's on Netflix, you can watch it any time.

And why was it nominated at all?It was utter crap.

Because the production team that paid to put this product up for nomination found a category that had little to no competition to pitch her for.I mean, I know you're laughing, but that's the truth.You have to pay to be considered.

Yeah, go on.

Yeah, you have to pay to be considered, and then they narrow it down.But the reality is, it's a very niche category, and we're laughing because we're saying general hospital and days of our lives, but the things she's actually up against, I've literally never heard of.And yeah, so...It's not the end -all be -all that she's trying to, you know, pitch it as, but thank God somebody watched it, because I sure as hell couldn't get through the whole damn thing.

I had to.I had to do a TV review of it.I've watched several episodes of all the series.The Christmas special as well.And these are moments, these are hours, Kinsey, that I can never get home.