"You Crossed EVERY Moral Line!" Piers Morgan Vs Hamas + US-Iran War & Spain-Morocco Migration

I'm not so pleased with the agreement.I don't expect that Israel will fulfill its commitments.Why Israel should exist?This is the question.Israel is a big burden on the shoulders of the world.

All means and methods would include rape, it would include murder, it would include burning down villages.And you want to paint them and say they're not a terrorist entity and the United States should stay out of it.You're a U .S.

citizen.I didn't say that.Just take the freaking deal and let's get out of there.The only people that will be unhappy is Israel.And why?Because Iran will have become a little bit stronger.

A lot of the Theories being put out somehow the Israelis are behind all this it suits them and the Americans To stir things up with the migrants.

That's ridiculous.Where does this stop?Everything that seems to happen on earth.

Somebody has this nutty idea that it must be Israel President Trump says the US has delayed the biggest military attack since it nuked Japan after a direct request from a Saudi crown prince and from Iran itself.Once again, Trump says that they are close to securing a deal.But many of the war's biggest supporters think this is a white flag and that any chance of a good deal has been vanquished by the midterm elections.Meanwhile, US and Israeli officials have been forced to deny extraordinary claims that they helped to plan a rush of 60 ,000 migrants into one of Spain's Moroccan ex -slaves.We'll get to all of that shortly, but we begin with an apparently historic breakthrough in Gaza.Trump's controversial Board of Peace says it's reached a landmark deal for Hamas to disarm and for Israel to leave Gaza.

There's been no official word from Israel, which carried out intensive strikes in Gaza this weekend.Ghazi Hamad is the spokesman for Hamas and joins me now.Mr. Hamad, thank you for joining me on Uncensored.In very simple terms, what is this deal?

I think this is an exceptional deal because of the exceptional circumstances, because of theoperation in Gaza, because the world is watching Gaza doing nothing, people are killed every day, people are exterminated every day in Gaza.No one succeeded to help our people there.All the people are watching.So I think we did our best in order to save our people, to save our citizens in Gaza from displacement.from mass killing, from massacres, from genocide, from all kinds of tortures.

So I think this is a force necessary in order to save our people.I know it is not easy.I'm not so pleased with this deal, because I think we are looking for something more better in order to create a good atmosphere for our people, to end our occupation, to end the occupation, to build a new future for our people.But as I told you, the situation really is very bad, very hard for us.No one helped us in this.And for 80 years that all the international community are looking for watching the Palestinian people under oppression, killing, mass killing, settlements in the West Bank, confiscations of lands.

So I think we try to do something in order to save our people, to save, to put our cause in the table of the international community.This is an exceptional phase of the Palestinian history, which is full of pain, tears, blood, and suffering.This is, may someone, is most hardest phase in the Palestinian history.I hope that we can succeed to save our people from this monster.You know, yesterday we received significant messages from the Israelis after the declaration or after Hamas said that we accept this agreement.They killed more than 30 people.

citizens, children, and women.And they sent very, very significant message to the United States, to the mediators, to Qatar, Egypt, and Turkey.We are not interested with the deal.We want to continue to kill people in Gaza Strip, to target everywhere.So I think that the world should understand that Israel is a burden.Israel is the core of the problems in the Middle East.

They created troubles.in Lebanon, in Gaza, in West Bank, in Yemen, in Iraq, in Iran.I hope that the world can open their eyes and see that the problem is not the Palestinians.The problem is Israel, which is a state of occupation, state of extermination, a state of genocide, a state of resistance, apartheid.I hope that they can understand this.

Let me put a question to you.OK, so you obviously do not trust the Israelis, and I would put to you that there's very good reason why they would not trust you.Hamas and you in particular when you make any kind of pledges because of course after October the 7th, one of the worst terrorist attacks of modern times, you went on camera publicly and said we will do this again and again and again and said you were wedded to annihilating Israel.Why should the Israelis trust somebody who said that?

You are a professional journalist.What do you expect from Palestinian people under occupation for 80 years.I am as Ghazi.I know nothing about West Bank.I know nothing about my people in Jerusalem.I know nothing about my people inside the Green Line.

Eighty years of suffering, oppression, and suffering from the Palestinians.The Palestinian people, the Palestinian organization, PLO, they try to find a solution.peace process with Israel, but Israel destroys the peace process.And instead of this, they started to take lands, now to destroy the Palestinian authority.

No, I understand, but with respect, Mr. Hamed, if I may just interject, with respect, if I may just ask you a question, if I may just ask you, I just want to ask you to, I want you to respond to my, Mr. Hamed, Respectfully, if I could just ask you to answer the question, which is, given that you yourself said publicly that you wanted Hamas to keep doing an October the 7th style attack again and again and again, why should the Israelis trust you?

You know that they don't trust anyone.They don't listen to anyone.They don't listen to the mediators.They should not trust anyone because I think this is an occupation.You know, Hamas as a liberation organisation, we never commit crimes.We never kill civilians.

We try all the time to liberate our home from the occupation.

Well, that's complete nonsense, Mr Hamad.Sorry, sorry, Major, I have to interrupt there.When you say you don't commit crimes and you don't kill innocent civilians, we all saw what happened on October the 7th in 2023.You had 3 ,000 members of your organization, Hamas, pour over the Israeli border and commit a series of despicable crimes in which you massacred innocent civilians all over Israel.You then captured over 250 of them, including Holocaust survivors and a baby.

So the idea you've not committed crimes is ridiculous.No, no.I second 100 percent.I'm confident that 100 percent.We never committed crimes against civilians.Maybe some mistake happened, but it is not the policy of Hamas.

It is not the recommendation from Hamas.

gunned down innocent people.Sorry, again, Mr. Hamad, I'm sorry.I can't let you get away with saying that.Hamas deliberately massacred people at a music festival.Hundreds of young people enjoying a music festival.

That is a war crime.I understand this situation very well.There was no commands to kill civilians or to kill women or to kill children.I think maybe some mistakes happened, but I think that Hamas has no any kind of...There were mistakes.You burned people alive in their homes.

...instruction to kill civilians.It is right, you know, that how many people, how many civilians, how hundreds, thousands of Palestinians since 1948, civilians, women and children, were killed by desert forces?What they are doing to Palestinian people is not something that you can imagine.

Just to be clear, just to be clear, just to be clear, I have said repeatedly on my show that I believe that the scale of Israel's response to October the 7th has been way over the top.They've killed far too many Palestinian civilians in their response to what happened that day.But given that you are the Hamas spokesman, For you to come on this program and say to me with a straight face that nobody in Hamas committed any crimes on October the 7th is just a brazen lie.Your people, your terrorists poured over the border and slaughtered hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of innocent civilians and captured many more.

I'm a leader of Hamas, I understand.We believe in humanity.We believe in law, we believe in ethics and morality.We understand this very well.We believe that the U .S.

violence, again, maybe there's some mistake by individuals, but it is not the police of Hamas.It is not our thinking.It is not our mentality to persevere.But maybe some people, there are some mistakes happened.Yes, I don't deny this.But you have to understand, you look to the hostages, all the Israeli hostages who were kept for a long time.

I think we did a very, very very kind with them.We feed them, we give them all kinds of protection and shelter.But our prisoners now, more than 7 ,000 or 9 ,000, now every day they are exposed to the tortures, and exposed to the humiliation, and all kinds of bad behavior.So I think, no, we believe that we follow the Islamic principle.instruct us now to deal with, even with, but look now to Gaza.You know, since the signature of the Sharm el -Sheikh agreement, about 1 ,400 people were killed, but you can see 80 percent of them are civilians.

women and children.Before that, in this war, this war, this war of genocide, more than 80, according to our statistics, and the statistics of the international organization, more than 90 % of people are civilians.So you, I think, as Hamas, we know, we believe to fight against occupation.This is our duty, to fight against them again and again and again, because I think we are looking to build our future, to free our homeland.

But if you're going to, Mr. Hamad, if you're Mr. Hamad, Let me again interrupt you, because I can't just let you talk without being challenged.When you accuse Israel of committing crimes, I think you have perfectly legitimate claims against some of the actions of this Israeli government.And a proper investigation will need to happen about exactly what has happened in Gaza and how many civilians have been killed.I think the reaction from the Israeli government has been way, way, way over the top.And they've killed far too many civiliansThey say they've only gone after Hamas terrorists, and in the process, civilians have been killed.

I think that's a very questionable position of them.I also think the fact that 75%, 80 % of Gaza is pretty well uninhabitable is a disgrace.And I think the actions of some members of the Israeli government Ben -Gavir, Smodrich and others, and their words are borderline, certainly ethnic cleansing and possibly genocidal.I think their plan and intention is to take the West Bank and Gaza.So, you know, I've tried to be very fair in my coverage of this since October the 7th, and I'm very aware of the history going back to 1948.However, if you're going to come on here and you're going to accuse Israel of committing crimes, but in the same breath, try and tell me, that no Hamas terrorists on October the 7th committed crimes, everybody watching this interview will think you're a liar.

Why would you want them to think you're a liar?It's not a disorganised action.I think we are acting against occupation.We never, as Hamas, we never use our power and our capability against Europeans, against Christians, against Jews.against Western people.We are fighting against occupation, and it is our right.

According to United Nations resolution, according to the international community, according to all kinds of regulations and laws, it is our fight against, to end this monastery, this occupation.We want to end it.No one help us to do that.So I think we have to use everything.But we never cross the lines of morality and humanity.

And laws I'm sorry, but again, Mr. Hamad, I'm sorry, listen, I'm sorry, but you crossed every line of humanity and morality.Every line.On October the 7th, the actions, the actionsHamas, on October the 7th, crossed every single moral, ethical and humanity line.Your people committed acts of utter barbarism against innocent Israelis.You did.

We saw it with our own eyes.Your people, your Hamas terrorists, just to be clear, just to be clear, your Hamas terrorists, your people, they deliberately posted videos of themselves committing their atrocities in real time.

Why you describe Hamas as disorganized?Why?Please answer me this question.Because I think what happened, I think what happened, I'm going to tell you.If you let me answer, I'll tell you.On October the 7th, I'll tell you why.

I'll tell you why.

I will tell you.I understand your position.yes i understand your position and i understand that you believe you're fighting an occupation you believe you're therefore freedom fighters i understand yes hamas position however i i brand hamas terrorists because the actions on october the 7th were the actions of a terrorist organization that committed a series of despicable crimes against the israeli people there is no justification Well, let me ask you one simple question.One simple question.Why would you take hostage a baby?What possible justification?

Never mind all the other crimes that were committed that day.Why would you kidnap a baby?

I told again and again and again, we have no instruction to do that.We never planned to take civilians.So why did they do it?No, no, no.I want to tell you something.This is a fact, that in the beginning of this war, that I think we told some international organizations, we are ready to free all civilians, all civilians in the beginning of the war.

But Israel refused that.You know?I was at this negotiation table.We proposed to release all the civilians, but Israel, they refused that.Our goal in this war, or in 7 October, is to, what's called, to lift the siege on Gaza, to take soldiers and hostages, that's right, in order to free about 6 ,000 Palestinians.Some of them, they spent more than 40 or 30 years in the prison under oppression.

and humiliation.This is our goal.And along the history of Hamas, we never used tourist against anyone.So I think what we are fighting in order to free our people, in order to fight against occupation, in order to free our people, our land from the occupation, there is no evidence that Hamas is using or committing crimes against civilians.This is prohibited by our religions and our...

Why did you...Why in that case, in that case, In that case, why did Hamas terrorists go to a music festival full of young people and massacre hundreds of those young people at a music festival?Tell me why they did that if, as you say, there were no instructions to commit crime.

If you go back to some investigation done by Israeli, And even if you go to Haaretz newspaper, you see that many people killed by the Israeli forces, many Israeli citizens killed by the Israeli forces, many of them with Hamas fighters entered inside the Green Line.The Israeli tanks and helicopters and all their military weapons, they fired to the Israeli citizens.They tried maybe to kill the members of Hamas, but they killed every citizen.I think you have to be very accurate in decision.If you go back to the, some is an investigation to understand Hamas is not, was not directing its action against the civilians.Our goal

home to home massacring families in their homes, setting fire to them, butchering them with knives, gunning them down with guns.They were doing it all over that area when they attacked.They weren't mistakes.This was a coordinated plan of a terrorist attack.And for you to try and deny that is to deny what we all saw with our own eyes.And the reason we saw most of it is because the Hamas terrorists posted what they were doing onto social media platforms in real time because they were so proud of what they were doing.

Do you have any proof for that?Do you have any proof?Do you have any proof that Hamas killed civilians and moved from home to home to kill people?

Oh yeah, oh yes, there is enormous amounts of proof.What, you don't think Hamas killed any civilians that day?

No, I don't deny that there's some mistakes done, I don't deny that.But as I told them...There were mistakes.They were killed deliberately.No, no, no.I don't want to start with this because I'm so confident that we as Hamas, that we did October 7th, as I told you, in order to lift the siege on Gaza 3rd.

That we sent people in order to free Gaza from the siege imposed on Gaza for more than 15 years.

But it didn't work, did it?OK, let me assume.All right, Mr. Hamad, let me assume that that was your plan.Right.And just before we get into my point about that, there is a report that you yourself left Gaza before October the 7th and haven't been back.Is that true?

I left Gaza before October the 7th.

That's right.And you haven't been back?Something is normal, it's not something exceptional.I left Gaza...

No, but you talk a lot...The reason I ask you is you've talked a lot about the heroic martyrs on October 7th, but where was your heroism?Where were you standing up for your people, given that you fled the country and went to Qatar, rather than stay and fight, as you put it, the occupation?

Give me one minute.If you go back in October 6th, not October 7th, if you look at the situation in Gaza Strip, to ask yourself, why Hamas did that?Before October 7th, that all Palestinian under occupation have been given all the time and the smugglers, and this what's called a crazy gang in Israel.They try, first of all, to destroy the Palestinian identity, killing Palestinians, taking their lands, building more settlements, expanding settlements.There is no stop.They destroy the peace process.

They destroy everything.And the world is watching.Look at Israel.It's boy, boy.Israel is very beautiful.We have to protect Israel and the Palestinians for 80 years under oppression.

What do you expect the Palestinians to do?We have two options.keep ourselves as slaves under the occupation and be very polite and throw flowers at the Israeli occupation, or to fight them, or to go in the other way.Either we go to the direction of peace or the direction of violence.You don't give the Palestinians any option.The war, they keep the Palestinians under oppression all the time, doing nothing.

So I think October 2nd is justified.Justifies, because when you see that the Palestinians are killed every day, and their lands are taken by these crazy gangs, and everything is destroyed, and we have no homeland, no identity, no flag, no school.Even they destroyed the Palestinian Authority.They destroyed the peace appeasement.What do you expect from the Palestinians?

My response to that, my response to you, my response to you, listen, listen, Mr. Hamad, I believe that Palestinians should have the exact same human rights as Israelis and anybody else.I believe in a two -state solution.I believe there should be a fully, a full state of Palestine and that should be the way through this.Why should Israel exist?

Why Israel should exist?Why?No, let me make my, well, the same reason that you should exist.

to kill people, I believe Israel has a right to, I believe Israel, I believe, I believe Mr Hamad, I believe, I believe that Israel and, let me finish, I believe that Israel and Palestine Both have a right to exist as independent states.There should be a two -state solution.I've always believed that.However, I would ask you this more difficult question.If what happened on October the 7th, as you put it, was justified, which I think is a grotesque defense of a terrorist attack, but let's assume for one moment that you think that what you did that day was essential for getting what you wanted for the people of Gaza, then it's been a spectacular failure, hasn't it?Because nearly 80 ,000 people at least, probably many more, have been slaughtered by the IDF in response.

75, 80 % of Gaza has been flattened.The people that have been left in a tiny area of Gaza are living in the most appalling conditions.And you've now got Israeli ministers openly talking about an ethnic cleansing of both Gaza and the West Bank.So from a strategic point of view, whether you defend what you did on October the 7th or not and I think it's indefensible.

Let me ask you the question.

Let me ask you the question.Do you accept that your strategy that day has been a spectacular failure?

Look, you look just to one side.I know you are a professional journalist.And I think you have to look with your two eyes.I know that we paid a big price.That's right.But it is not the truth.

Since 1948, we paid more than 100 ,000 of people murdered by Israelis, 100 ,000 of prisoners, 100 ,000 of injured people.You know, this is a tragedy, the Palestinian tragedy continued for more than 80 years.So I think if you look to the other side, Now, if you look at that, Israel is completely isolated by Iran.How we did that?Without October 7, when the world now, they understand the fact and the essence of Israel, that this is a state of genocide, a state of mass killing, a state of ethnic cleansing, and a prime minister of Israel now is wanted by ICC.Did you expect that this will happen without paying a price?

Now Israel is completely isolated.All the world, they hate Israel.All the world now, they put the Palestinian cause on the table.They ask now to end the occupation.But before the October 7th, we all the time talking to the United Nations Security Council, meetings and meetings and meetings.The Arabian community is releasing leaflets.

Nothing is done on the ground.But I think now, okay, the idea is a big price.Gaza is destroyed.Our people are suffering, that's right.But on the other side, I think there are many strategic achievements happened in the last three years.I can't, first of all, when the world, they think that now Israel is exhausted, either in Gaza, with Spain, Lebanon.

Iraq, and I think we want to continue to fight against Israel.I think Hamas did not change its mind.

OK, let me ask you, let me ask you, OK, Mr. Hamad, let me ask you, let me ask you, Mr. Hamad, let me ask you this finally.There's this deal in place.How confident are you that this deal is actually going to happen?Is Hamas genuinely prepared to disarm?And if so, when will you start giving up your weapons?

of the hard circumstances in Gaza.We accept this agreement.But I think that as Hamas, I can confirm that we need to change our mentality, our goal to end the occupation, to continue to end the occupation with the Palestinian faction, because this is our holy mission, in order to end the occupation.Maybe with this time some different tactics, some different tools, some different methods.That's right.But I think this is the end of the history.

You know that the Palestinian history, if you read it, passed in many, many painful stages.But I think this is one of them.It is very hard.I'm not so pleased with the agreement, disagreement, because I think that I'm looking to something more bitter in order to protect our people.I don't expect that Israel will fulfill its commitments, because we know the essence of Israel.We've listened to Israel for more than 80 years.

And do you still believe that Israel should be annihilated?on the shoulder of the world.

Well, no, the question, no, the question, the question, the question, Mr. Hamad, Mr. Hamad, the question was, the question, Mr. Hamad, the question was very straightforward and very simple.Do you still believe, as you've said in the past, that Israel should be annihilated?

Yes or no?I think that I, I'm, I'm, I'm very honest.I think the world should understand the essence of Israel and they should understand it's a state of occupation, genocide, apartheid, state of settlements, every day they are killing the international community.All the time they are killing the United Nations resolution.All the time they are killing the Security Council resolution.So is the answer yes or no then?

Why this kind of democracy when they now describe Hamas as a terrorist organisation?Right, but I didn't ask you for your view.

I didn't ask you to repeat your view.I simply said, Mr Hamad, I simply said Do you still think Israel should be annihilated?Yes or no?What's the answer?

bad things that Israel is doing in the Middle East.

So I know that you have a point.Well, for reaction to that extraordinary interview and to debate all the latest is Joe Kent, the former director of the National Counterterrorism Centre, Cenk Uygur, founder and CEO of the Young Turks, Rob O 'Neill, the US Navy SEAL veteran, and Matt Tardio, who's a retired Green Beret and host of Speak The Truth.Well, welcome to all of you.Joe Kent, a pretty extraordinary conversation I had there with the official Hamas spokesman.This is the guy who became infamous very quickly after October the 7th for saying publicly We want to do this again and again and again, and calling for the annihilation of Israel.It's very hard, having listened to his answers to my questions, to imagine that this deal that's been put on the table has much chance of actually working.

What is your view?

I tend to agree with you.I don't believe this deal will hold.I think it's a noble aspiration for us to try and come up with some kind of a ceasefire or a peace or disarmament plan there.But overall, I don't understand what America's role is. is America has no dog in this fight.This is between Israel and between Hamas.The second that we go in and we try and play referees, we are getting ourselves deeply intertwined in a problem that no one's been able to solve.

And quite frankly, it doesn't really pertain to people in the United States of America.Unfortunately, what we have done by funding the state of Israel is we've essentially put our name on everything that the Israelis have done to the Palestinians in both Gaza and the West Bank now.for decades.inside of Gaza and also how they've drug us into this war in Iran.

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OK, Rob O 'Neill, welcome back to Uncensored to you.What did you make of that interview with the Hamas spokesman?

Well, thanks for having me again, Piers.It's frustrating.Obviously, he's very passionate about where he is, but when he tries to make a point, he just starts talking over his own point and then reiterating the same nonsense.And when he gets asked a direct question that he's expected to answer, he won't answer it.He just dances around it.It doesn't really seem like he's very serious about it all.

If you can look at some of the footage, and I'm someone that says if I wasn't there in person and I only saw it on TV, I'm going to have questions.But the amount of footage, the amount of live streaming, everything that happened on October 7th, and to say that there weren't atrocities committed, I mean, I think war is violent.I know war is violent.War is permanent.War can be very scary.But the moment you start

taking children as prisoners and then taking them across borders, that's a big problem.That's on a number of reasons, not just moral reasons.But if you can't Tell the truth about something right in front of your face.Why would we think that a ceasefire negotiation is going to take place in good faith?I just whenever someone starts using so many words and talking over themselves and when an argument starts, they don't listen to the other side.It's just it's a very frustrating, especially on the first Monday of the week.

Yeah, I check you go.Welcome back to Uncensored to you.What did you think of it?I mean, I just felt after half an hour talking to that guy that I just can't see any deal Really working here because there's so much so little trust on both sides Hamas.Hey Israelis Israelis hate Hamas you can have any kind of peace deal in principle that you want to try and conjure But is it really gonna stop these guys wanting to kill each other?

Yeah, of course, we could have a peace deal so Israel and Egypt have had a peace deal for decades the The necessity is for Israel to want a peace deal.So look, that conversation didn't move me at all as to why that particular peace deal isn't going to work.Hamas has agreed to give up its weapons.That's the essence of the deal, which by the way, I'm on the left, but if this deal held, I would give Trump a lot of credit because the Israelis claim they wanted the hostages back and they wanted Hamas disarm and Trump got both of them now Israel says no we don't want the deal and we're gonna keep 70 % of Gaza so peers you know that I said on this show that this was never about self -defense it was about land acquisition and here they are sitting on 70 % of Gaza they basically forced over 2 million Palestiniansinto thirty percent of gaza which is an open -air concentration camp so you know you ask them about uh... how they took hostages you know i think that they should have killed any civilians and they should have taken any hostages now israel takes thousands upon thousands of hostages they never charge them with any crime they don't even bother to pretend that they did anything wrong then they systematically torture and rape them so what israel is done is demonstrably Way, way worse than Hamas.So in terms of the hostages, in terms of the occupation, in terms of 70 times the civilians killed, we all know why we don't have peace.

There's only one reason, and it's Israel.So Israel says no to the deal that Trump and Hamas just did.They say no to the deal that Trump did with Iran.They say, in that memorandum of understanding, they have to leave Lebanon.And Israel says, no, we're never going to leave southern Lebanon.this is always about greater israel and america you all what's your what's your military nineteen americans have died and apparently they owed israel their lives at all for over four hundred americans injured all for israel all the wars are for israel and so you know you can blame hamas and i would agree with you on what they did on october seventh in the civilians killed but at the end of the day who deserves more blame the slaves of the slaveholders obviously the slaveholders obviously israel so they say well look mate maybe we might liberate you if you grovel at our feet but then you know us we never listen to any peace deal so we probably will defy it anyway so there's nothing that appeases the fascists in israel can we please stop funding them and having our men and women killed terrorist state and if you call a muster is okay no problem peers but you have to acknowledge that Israel is far bigger terrorist organization.

They have a worse civilian kill ratio, and they've killed, at a bare minimum, 70 times the number of civilians.and you talk about that baby who was taken hostage, they incinerated 23 ,000 children.Why are we helping these Nazis?

Okay, Matt Tardio, welcome back to you to Uncensored.What is your response to Cenk Nyga?

listen i'm holding in front of me uh... the palestinian or excuse me the hamas charter from two thousand seventeen can you point to me where it states what the uh... actual land of palestine consists of that they say is being occupied right now do you know that actually says so you know that that So, A, I don't care about the Hamas charter.

I care about the Palestinian people.Okay, well, you should.I know what happened in 1948.Hold on, Sink, I asked you a specific question.

You had your chance.No, no, no.I asked you a specific question and you didn't want to, so I'm going to read it for you.This is my response.No, I don't give a damn.No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, in the east to the mediterranean in the west and from raz all nakura in the north to um alder shush in the south is an integral territorial unit it is the land in the home of the palestinian people the expulsion and banishment of the palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping a zionist entity when they talk about occupation they're not talking about gaza because both sink you

and what does that resisting like basically consists of what we can refer to paragraph twenty five in their charter resisting occupation with all means and methods is a legitimate right guaranteed by divine laws and by international norms and laws at the heart of the law these light armed resistance which is regarded as a strategic choice for protecting the principles and the rights of the palestinian people by all means and methods all means and methods would include a rape it would include of murder it would include burning down villages and all of those things and you wanna sit back and you wanna paint them and say they're not a terrorist entity and the United States should stay out of it.You're a U .S.citizen, are you not?I didn't say that.Oh, no, wait, you're not.

Oh, I'm sorry, Joe Kent.

You had stated that.I know, I am a U .

S.citizen.I didn't say they weren't a terrorist organization.Oh, you are.I'm sorry, I was confused.You're doing stupid Israeli talking points.

I was confused.

And I'm very happy to answer them if you'd like me.This isn't an Israeli, hold on, this isn't an Israeli talking point, this is a Hamas talking point.

Further, you're a U .S.citizen.You said that we shouldn't do anything about them.What about the U .S.

citizens?Namely, let's go with the last one, that Hamas killed a Hirsch Goldberg.He was taken hostage.Should the U .S.have sat idly by and allowed this radical terrorist organization to take U .

S.citizens and kill them?

What's your stance on that?And Joe, you've been questioned.Now you've asked me a number of questions.Can I answer them?Absolutely.I'd love to hear your excuses.

yeah okay here we go so number one uh... israel has killed ten u .s.citizens in the last three years no one has been arrested so our government is saying israel is allowed to murder u .s.citizens and we won't ask them to even arrest the people who did itit so that is how little the israelis think of u .s. citizens

s.citizens they take our money they've taken over three hundred billion dollars we haven't said a dime to the palestinians all we do is funded endless genocides and wars of israel because they bribed ninety four percent of our congress they bribe people like you and people in media to pretend that they're innocent now the reality of my bribes sink a lot of us are going to let you know i think i didn't think i was right uh... no i don't care maybe you uh... grovel to israel for free i don't really care why you suck up to israel when you should be caring about america and uh... our american boys and girls and i did not hear it in america and i just don't know what my name is a stolen by the israelis i don't know what he said that you know what i hear about just named all the palestinians resisted occupation in the wrong way i thought i was going to get the answer i thought i was going to get the answer until you know until you come in here crying about oh the israelis okay no so every time he talks over me so you say oh the israelis are murdering and taking hostages and for eighty years they've pulverized the palestinians and by the way you mentioned from the river to the sea netanyahu has said israel is going to take from the river to the sea hamas's charter is entirely theoretical because they have no power to execute it israel actually is executing from the river to the sea and the genocide and they murdered over seventy six thousand people to do that and you say all what israel does from the river to the sea when they murder twenty three thousand children no big deal but when the palestinians dare to fight back against their enslavement all of a sudden i can't believe what terrorist palestinians are it's the least they could do to fight back against those monsters.

The least that Hamas could do to fight back against the monsters was October 7th.That's your stance to be clear.

No, I didn't say October 7th.I said fighting back in terms of resistance against our military.Oh, resistance.And right now, Israel has the worst civilian kill ratio than Hamas.So if I acknowledge that Hamas is terrorist, then you must acknowledge, you must acknowledge that Israel is the worst terrorist.

Far, far worse terrorist.That's not true.And Pierson, you acknowledge that the Israeli government is a terrorist government.Gentlemen, Gentlemen, I want to segue to Iran before we run out of time.Joe Kent, let me bring you back in here and talk about the Iran situation.I spoke to Donald Trump last night for quite some time, actually.

I can say one thing about Trump.He was still up at 1 a .m.in Washington in the Oval Office working.So no one can question the guy's work ethic.But on Iran, he reiterated to me what he said publicly, which is that yesterday was going to be the day.

that, in his words, the United States would have unleashed the biggest bombardment against Iran that the world has seen since World War II.and it was yanked at the last minute after direct appeals to the president by the Crown Prince of Saudi Arabia and other allies.So, you know, he reiterated that to me.That's clearly what he said publicly.What do you make of where we are here?Because we're nearly, what, five, six months into this war that was supposed to be over in two to three weeks.

It's clearly not gone the way that Donald Trump hoped or the way that Netanyahu and the Israelis told him it might go.We are where we are with this.The Iranians appear to have a tight control of Australia's Hormuz.The Gulf states are extremely twitchy about the Americans and Israelis bombarding Iran again in a way that triggers attacks on them.not back at America and Israel, but against Saudi Arabia, against Qatar, against the UAE, against Kuwait, against Bahrain, and so on.That is the asymmetric war the Iranians have been waging.

And they've been waging it very successfully, it has to be said.So where do you think we are, Joe, with this war?

Right now, we're stuck, but I'm really glad that President Trump did not take the bombing action that he was talking about.Look, if there was a military solution to this problem, President Trump would have executed it a long time ago, and it would be over.But President Trump has realized there is no military solution to it, and that's why we got into the MOU in the first place.Unfortunately, we cut that same side deal at the same time in Lebanon, and then we were encouraging ships to go outside of the MOU and use the Straits of Hormuz.to hostilities.But President Trump, I think, wants some kind of a formal agreement with the Iranians.

The Iranians simply aren't going to give him.But we are up against the tight timeline of major economic shock coming from what's taking place in the Straits of Bermuz, Bab al -Mandeeb with the Houthis.And again, there's no military solution to any of this.So President Trump has a narrow window, right?where he can get our troops out before we take any more losses, before we are forced to then have to get back into a retaliation cycle that could spin out of control.He's got a window where we can get out right now.

I think he's already realized that most of our bases in the region are nothing more than a strategic liability rather than a strategic asset, because that's what the Gulf allies are telling us as well.So now is the time for him to say, hey, we accomplished all our military objectives.Iran has agreed that they aren't going to have a nuclear weapon because the Iranians agreed to that.for the spoolish war, but he can just message that that was what we accomplished.He can pull our troops out of the region, and then we can quietly use the carrot of sanctions relief to get the Straits of Hormuz open back to a normal operating situation.Same thing with the Houthis.

We're going to have to restrain the attack.to accomplish any of this, because the Israelis were the ones that got President Trump into this.They're the ones that got us on board with killing the Ayatollah, which unfortunately and tragically has galvanized the Iranian people against us, which is why the diplomacy track is pretty much dead on.That's why we just need to get out right now before this escalates further.

Yeah, Rob O 'Neill, I mean, that is certainly my My view of this is I don't see any way this improves the longer it goes on for Donald Trump or the United States interest in this.There is the ongoing clash with what the Israelis want, which is a different agenda to what the Americans want or should or should want.You know, Trump has the imperative of the midterm elections coming and all the all the potential political fallout and so on.But from a military point of view, Rob, given what we've seen in the last five, six months now in this war, is there any way for things to escalate in a way that would actually be a good thing for the United States?

uh... did to do a back -door deals because the cartels you don't want to be underwater with them hopefully absent hopefully because they're good at keeping the cars against their chest there's a back -door deal here to get a new regime in that doesn't include the shot again i'm not in i'm not in on these but what i what i've seen happen with the administration is a running a business that wasn't run well meaning this government have an unlimited budget but they could be just could be playing politics meaning there are a lot of elections coming up to include israel right around october november time frame I meanmatter what people are yelling and screaming in fighting the matter what we do is happen even back in nineteen seventy eight with carter and uh... what we do with each of the late dot jack was a uh... referential earlier uh... with people sitting here yelling at each other bring up points about how you did this wrong you're never gonna do this is probably not gonna solve much but that's kind of where we are i'll try to be optimistic with it um...I mean, we look back to even on my birthday, April 10th, 1998, something about the Good Friday up in North Ireland with England, and that's two countries that kind of wanted a truce.That only took 12 years with people who wanted to, and they weren't fanatic ideologues.So hey, I'm sitting here watching.I'll do what I can to help, and I'll just say what I think is the truth, and I'll leave it at that.

Cheng, the problem, it seems to me, is that if you take Joe's scenario as the least worst scenario, and I agree with him, by the way, you could have a situation where, for all the words that Donald Trump comes out with if he was to do that, the Iranians keep all their enriched uranium.They keep control of the Strait of Hormuz, maybe even having a new tolling system, which they didn't have before this.The IRGC remain in control.in control of the country.There's been no popular uprising at all.You have the Ayatollah's son, who is almost certainly, from all reports, more hardliner radical than his father, probably not least because his father was murdered.

in his estimation, you know, at the start of this war.So you've got a situation where the victory, you know, I think Joe's right.You should claim the victory and get the hell out.But it would be actually, in reality, a very ignominious failure, wouldn't it, based on what the original war aims were supposedly about?

So in order to answer that question, let's step back here before the war.So why did we do the war?We claimed that it was for a nuclear weapons program, which they didn't have.Right.so and we had ended their nuclear weapons program under the obama deal to begin with right they were shipping out all their uranium they had no chance of enrichment at that point israelis demanded that we get out of that deal so they would have an excuse for this war so what was their actual objective we all know what their objective was destroyed iranian regime neutered completely if they can put in a puppet like the the shop that will serve israel why cuz Israel wants to be a regional superpower.In fact, Netanyahu, after the war started, said that.

He said, this is going to make us stronger, Iran weaker.We're going to get America to destroy all their ballistic missiles, their drones.We're going to get regime change.Now, that was their true objective.In terms of the American objectives, we have this fake objective of ending a nuclear weapons program that doesn't exist but great let's ended for the second time the third time and now we have a new objective which is to open up the strait of hormuz because that's what the war created that it being blocked okay but iran has promised to do that now many many times just take the frickin deal and let's get out of there so you're right peers at the end of that iran will it will get what we want no nuclear weapons program straight or moves reopen iran gets what it's what it wants which is to end the war and has stopped being bombed right the region gets stability and peace the only people that'll be unhappy is israel and why because iran will have become a little bit stronger because they'll have sanctions relief they might get money from the gulf and uh... and now we all know that they can walk the street or moves whenever we wanted but hate israel you gambled You pushed us into a war and you thought it would help you be stronger and Iran be weaker.As it turned out, Iran, it was made stronger by the war.

So that's a sad day for you.Honestly, for us, it doesn't really matter who's slightly stronger in the Middle East.We have no business in the Middle East to begin with.and so israel says how dare you all unless you're an anti -semite you'll be hundreds of billions of dollars in every war that i want and you all me my territorial ambitions of southern lebanon southern syria gaza in the west bank no we don't the american people don't all iran or israel anything anything at all so let's just get our two objectives of for god's sake get out of the end of israel wants to cry all they ever do is cry all blue we didn't get to murder enough palestinians we didn't get enough take enough land in the middle east we didn't get to murder enough iranians so what that they're crying so we just have to cut it out and just clearly recognize that the israelis are the bad guys here they're the terror literally the worst civilian kill ratio of any terrorist group in the world and they keep making us spend our blood and treasure on their offensive fascist attacks in the middle east stop funding israel and our relationship completely sorry we're just not that into you the american people are very clear sixty percent on rising saying and our relationship with israel the only question is are any of our government officials going to work for america or are they going to continue to work for israel And by the way, on Tuesday, we might find out.Because if Abdul El -Sayed wins in Michigan, we're going to liberate the Democratic Party from Israel, and we'll at least have one party back representing America.

OK.Matt Tardio, your response to that, and your wider view of where we are with the war in Iran, and what Donald Trump should do?

Yeah, you know, Pierce, I've said this before on your show where I don't believe that it's about the nuclear weapons program.I think that's the legal excuse for the United States to go in there because in June, he said that we had completely and totally obliterate their nuclear weapons program after Operation Midnight Hammer set them back decades.But in February, we heard that they were weeks away.Then this year,he had stated that only two countries in the world might be able to get it out, which is going to be either the USA or China in reference to their highly enriched uranium that was buried.So I do think this is about putting pressure on Russia and China and bringing Russia to the negotiation table over inside of Ukraine.

With that set aside towards the sort of moves into Joe's point where he said that we went against the MOU.That's not true.In the MOU, it specifically says in that paragraph that's discussing the Strait of Hormuz between Oman and Iran, that they must do so in accordance with international law.International law clearly lays the Strait of Hormuz out as international waters.There is no ifs, ands, or buts about it.Ships are allowed to pass through that water in accordance with international law without Iran's say so.

So doing anything like against international law, agreeing to give them control over it, quite frankly, the United States doesn't have the authority or ability to do so.uh... when it goes down to six points about the greater israel project in all this other stuff it's absolute nonsense even israel agreed to withdraw troops in a phased withdrawal they're going to retrograde and be replaced by the lebanese armed forces which are only about eighty thousand strong in the united states is going to help build and prop them up in order to start replacing israeli troops that they could end up pulling out the entire thing is a facade is is just a it's a i want to say this i don't know how many times in here the same talking points are these guys without any actual intellectual facts that that that back them up okay controls and i don't know if it was a dozen hours that for a fact what what is this for the facts are on the ground you eat the facts are on the ground they control southern lebanon southern syria gaza in the west bank as we speak they have seventy percent of gaza you keep telling us they're going to withdraw and they never ever withdraw and in fact they say they're never going to withdraw and i think they have a really just a couple of the earlier that they will never free the palestinians they are literally a great thing they're going to be good guys one day but they're never the good guys they're always the bad guys though what is what is the international security forcesthere for?Is it so the Israelis can stay there?

No, the international security force just made a deal.Trump just made a deal with Hamas.They're going to disarm, and Israel's supposed to withdraw.And then Israel said, no, we don't honor the deal, we will not withdraw.That's the facts on the ground.

Yeah, so here's why.Because point 20 of the plan, the original one, the 20 point plan said that they should not have their weapons, that they're supposed to be disarmed.And point eight of the new deal says that they will store their weapons.And we just hold on.And we just know that no, they agreed to store their weapons.And a Hamas spokesperson just said that they're going to continue to resist the occupation.

You just heard it yourself.What does resist mean?No, he just...No, but brother, there's different ways of resisting.

Yes, he did.He said they will continue to resist.Diplomatically, you could resist peacefully.That's not what Hamas means.You can resist through the UN.Yeah, sure, we can do that.

But that's not according to their charters.But it's never good enough for Israel.That's not according to their charters.That's not according...So then what else do you want?what else do you want?

You can use the dictionary definition.Trump believes that.You can use the dictionary definition or you can use Hamas's definition.So what do you want?This is Hamas's definition.Do you want them to get on their knees?

Okay.Do you want them to strip in?What do you want?What other humiliation do you want?You don't, you know, the reality is that you want Israel to own the Palestinian land, and you're just propagating a mouthpiece for them.And I don't know why you're doing it.

Are you an American?Are you an American?Why are you representing a different country?

I want to bring in Joe, gentlemen.It seems to be the Kofi Annan figure here that I can bring in when things get too outrageous.Joe, I want to end just with you because of this extraordinary photograph that emerged over the weekend.And you were in this picture.It was at Tucker Carlson's home.You're in there with Marjorie Taylor Greene, Thomas Massey, Tucker.

What was this?There is word that you're all planning, as Marjorie Taylor Greene put it, a new political movement.What is the movement?Could it be an actual party?What was going on?

I mean, I think it's in the initial phases right now, but there is a growing consensus on, I think, both the right and the left, the people who are sick and tired of the Republican Party, they're sick and tired of the Democrat Party.They want us out of these foolish wars that we're just sitting here talking about right now.Most Americans have no idea what we're talking about.They don't know about Gaza.They don't know about the straight support moves.They just know that billions of their taxpayer dollars, their blood, their treasure, their sons and their daughters continue to get sent overseas.

Our best and brightest get killed.Our taxpayer dollars get spent over there while things continue to decay here in America.And so what we're trying to do is just build a coalition of people who say we're finally going to put First, we're not going to focus on the next foreign war.We're not going to listen to foreign lobbies like the Israelis.We're going to focus on the issues that matter here to the American people.And those of us that were there at that table, myself, Tucker, Thomas Massey, Marjorie Taylor Greene, and there's others as well.

We are, I think, people who initially were part of the movement, the Trump Republican Party.But we feel that we were frozen in mid.

You were frozen right at the end there.Just to be clear, though, before we close things, could this involve establishing a new party?

Look, it certainly could.I mean, if you talk to most Americans out there and they're sick of the Republican Party, they're sick of the Democrats.They do want something that actually represents their interests.And again, we don't want any more foreign wars.We don't want any foreign lobbying in our government.And we want leadership in America that's going to put the needs of the American people

Okay, having a few little tech issues with you, Joe, at the end there, but we got the message loud and clear.I want to thank you.Oh, you're back.Joe, you were freezing a little bit at the end, but we got the message.We got the answer.Thank you, all gentlemen, for an extremely interesting debate.

I really appreciate it.Thanks, guys.Thank you, Piers.

The rebellion grows.Thank you.

The images of 60 ,000 male migrants rushing into Ceuta are shocking and terrifying, no matter what your political views may be.But it's impossible to separate politics from the fallout which has followed.Spain says that almost all of the men have now been sent back across the small border its exclave shares with Morocco.The Trump administration, however, is determined to make an example of a left -wing Spanish government that it does not support.Vice President J .D.

Vance said, quote, the images out of Spain are an unfortunate reminder of radical left -wing globalist policies.

Well, the president himself called it an invasion and vowed to make Ceuta a talking point in the midterm elections.I said, I'm going to say it because I knew you were going to be at Camp David.They say, that's going to be a talking point for the big terms.Because when you look at what happened to Spain, they don't know what to do.And it's happening again today.They're coming in by the thousands, tens of thousands.

It's just invading the country.

Now, to be clear, Ceuta is on the North African coast.It's a Spanish territory.It has been for almost 500 years.But migrants have to claim asylum or they're sent back.Very few make it onto the mainland, but it doesn't stop them trying.Similar, smaller crushes happen every couple of years.

And critics of Spain's liberal government say a recent amnesty for illegal immigrants drove this extraordinary crisis.For his part, Prime Minister Pedro Sanchez has condemned fake news, prejudice and ignorance, while his officials say an influx of this scale required organisation.And that's where the U .S.and Israel have been drawn into this.The gleeful commentary from some Israeli and U .

S.officials, coupled with the complex bromance between their countries and the Moroccan king, have led many to accuse them of a plot.And it's not just conspiracy theorists.The Moroccan king has just named a major road after Trump.The Donald J. Trump Highway stretches into Western Sahara, a massive disputed territory which the U .S.

says belongs to Morocco.Israel's UN ambassador, Danny Danon, the Spanish transport minister said, well, it all seems to be becoming quite clear.Mike Huckabee is the U .S.ambassador to Israel, and he rejoins me now on Uncensored.

Mike Huckabee, welcome back to Uncensored.Well, thank you, Piers.It's a pleasure to be on, and thanks for having me back.

So I want to start with a quote from a Spanish actor, Javier Bardem, a big Hollywood star.He re -shared social media posts blaming Israel for what happened in Ceuta, saying, we don't know who engineered this crisis, but we know who benefits from a weakened, destabilized Spain.colon israel and the western far right eager to turn migration into a weapon against muslims what is your response to that because he he reflects a lot of the theories being put out that somehow The Israelis are behind all this.It suits them and the Americans to stir things up with the migrants so that it puts pressure on the Spanish prime minister and it exposes the European migrant problem for what it is.

It sounds like Javier needs to stick to reading a script that someone else wrote.He's not very good at coming up with his own ideas.That's ridiculous.To say that somehow this is a US -Israel conflict-Israel conspiracy, and that's why all those young men flooded to the coast, it's nonsense.I mean, I don't know what's next.

Israel and the U .S.are going to be accused of the joint kidnapping of the Lindbergh baby back in the 20s, maybe the downing of the Hindenburg.Where does this stop?Everything that seems to happen on Earth, somebody has this nutty idea that it must be Israel and or the United States who would be behind it.Why don't you just accept the fact that there were these people who were wanting to get to that part of Spain?

They were deported, but they were I guess I would wonder, since the Spanish have been so very critical of the policies, let's say, of Israel, of not creating a second state for Palestinians, why didn't they create a state for those people that wanted to immigrate to their country?

Who do you think?was behind it.It certainly seemed to have been very well orchestrated and planned.

What would your best theory be as to who and why?Honestly, Pierce, I wouldn't have a theory because I think it's really ridiculous for me, or frankly anyone else, who doesn't have any facts about why they came to just suddenly invent something.I think that's what's wrong in the world today.We have so many people coming up with these wild theories, and most of them don't hold enough water to put in a thimble.And this is a great example where people don't recognize the U .S.

and Israel both have plenty on their plates right now.Neither country needs to be inventing some ridiculous conspiracy theory or, more importantly, actually orchestrating the moving of almost 50 ,000 people from one place to the other.I mean, that's a pretty big logistical challenge.And for somebody to just come up out of theclear blue sky, yeah, that looks like what Israel and the U .S.S.

is doing.Really, they need to get a better kind of argument, because that one simply falls apart.

Danny Delon said, Spain, which never misses an opportunity to lecture Israel, has declared a state of emergency in Ceuta following the crisis over its immigration policy.Maybe before it continues lecturing us, it's time it explained to the world why it still maintained colonial enclaves in Africa.Would you agree with that sentiment?

I actually would.I know Ambassador Danone.I've known him for over 20 years.I thought it was a pretty good observation.All of this talk about that Israelis are creating a colonized area.What is Spain doing?

How come there is this particular piece of property.I think those are valid questions.I'm glad the ambassador raised them.

Let's just turn, if I may, to several other issues which are probably more in your wheelhouse.One is the deal that's been announced with Hamas.I interviewed earlier the official spokesman for Hamas, who seemed to be going along with the idea this was a deal that could potentially work, whilst at the same time persisting in saying, for example, that on October the 7th, nobody from Hamas committed any crime or deliberately targeted any civilians.And if anyone did, it was a mistake, not a plan, which obviously were abhorrent blood libels that he was spewing.And it made me think of that.I listened to this guy.

He was the one who, after October the 7th, went on camera and said, we're going to do this again and again and again.And so they were wedded to the annihilation and destruction of Israel.Can Israel do any deal with Hamas?Is there any point that you could actually trust Hamas, which many view to be a terrorist organization?to be any kind of body that you could do a deal with?

Well, first of all, they are a terrorist organization.They've been designated that way.The United States certainly has designated them that, so has Israel.And I think most civilized countries in the world would.The reason we know that Hamas did what they did on October 7th, because they were proud of it.They were so proud, in fact, that they strapped GoPro cameras to their heads, and they videotaped themselves raping, slaughtering, beheading, butchering, massacring women, children, and elderly people.

That's how we know they did it.And they boasted about it.They boasted about it online.They boasted about it in phone calls.They boasted about it on the videotape that they shot.They boasted about it as they took the naked bodies of young women who had been kidnapped from the Nova Music Festival and paraded them down the streets of Gaza, beating their dead bodies.

So, you know, this guy has zero credibility.And I think that it's very important to understand that if there's any way in which Hamas wants to make a deal, the first thing they have to do is what they said they were going to do last October, and that's they're going to disarm and demilitarize.They haven't done it yet.So when they do, then we can take them a little more seriously.I hope they do.It would be a wonderful gift to the world if Hamas did not have weapons, because if they have them, they're just nutty enough to want to use them to slaughter people, particularly civilians and innocent people.

They don't need weapons.They need to disappear and go away.

If Hamas do keep their word, which I think is highly unlikely, but let's assume for a moment they do, and they do demilitarize, is there a scenario where the United States and Israel would accept Hamas continuing to be a governing body in Gaza.for example?

President Trump said repeatedly that Hamas has no future in Gaza.I think they forfeited the future.It would be like asking, would it be OK if the Nazis continued to run Germany after World War II?I can't imagine anyone, I don't care who they are, who would believe that that had any credibility whatsoever.So Hamas has forfeited any hope that they're going to have a role in governing Gaza.What they should hope for is that they would be given some level of asylum that they could get out of Gaza, disappear, find some place to live anonymously in asylum.

But the idea that they're going to govern Gaza, I don't think the people in Gaza would tolerate it, much less the United States or Israel or hopefully any other civilized country in the world.

Let's just pivot quickly to Iran.I spoke to President Trump on Sunday night about this, and he reiterated to me what he was saying publicly, that, you know, he was ready locked and loaded to launch the biggest bombardment of Iran that the world had seen since World War II.Would that have been a smart move if the president had gone ahead with that kind of strike?

You know, the only person who can make that decision is the president.All of us who work for him trust his instincts.If he says it's time to go, we're going to be behind it.If for whatever reason, in having talked to many people in the Gulf countries, and they urged him to give, as John Lennon would so brilliantly say, give peace a chance, to give one more round of negotiations an opportunity, and he made that decision.So let's see if it works.Let's hope it does.

But if it doesn't, I think the president has also made that decision.that there is the military option.It's on the table.And if he takes it, it's not going to be a mild tap.It is going to be overwhelming.

This war has not been going the way Donald Trump thought or the way he was told it would go by the Israelis when they met with him in the White House Situation Room before it began.Would it not be better politically, economically, putting aside anything else, for the United States to extricate itself from this war, claim a victory, you know, do what Trump does very well, you know, just paper over the cracks and just say, look, we've achieved these aims, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, and just get the hell out of this.

Well, first of all, I was in the Situation Room when that discussion was held, and I do disagree with any narrative that says that the Israelis talked Donald Trump into it.That simply did not happen.Nobody talked him into anything.Pierce, you know, President Trump really well.You've known him a long time.You know him better than most people who do interviews on TV.

And I think it's pretty fair to say that he is not a man that is easily led around by the nose.The idea that the Israelis came in and sold him something is probably just one of the more preposterous things.It was based on the fact that for over 47 years, Iran has been saying, death to America.begged, pleaded, worked, strived to build a nuclear weapon.And for what purpose?To first destroy Israel.

That's always been their goal.That's the appetizer.But ultimately, they've said this for 47 years.Their goal is to annihilate America.America is the entree.And so a lot of Americans may not have even been around in 1979 when the Ayatollahs took power and they frog marched, blindfolded embassy employees across the embassy grounds, held them hostage.

51 of them, for 444 days.I remember it quite well.And I remember the humiliation that we felt in America.I remember the chanting of Death to America, the burning of our flags, and the threats that have never ceased, nor have they ever moderated.I think the president was looking after, how can I best protect the American public?The proxies of Iran are already in the Western Hemisphere.

Hezbollah alone is in 12 Western Hemisphere countries.The idea that this is some unique Middle East issue or it's only an Iranian -Israeli issue is utter nonsense.These people have ambitions not necessarily to rule the world, but to destroy every part of it that does not agree with their radical Shia philosophy.

The problem, it seems to me, with this war is that the Iranians have worked out that if you control the Strait of Hormuz and you terrorize your Gulf state neighbors by firing off rockets and missiles at them, thereby destabilizing their business models based around, come here, it's sunny, it's safe, it's exciting, and so on, that by working that out, in this kind of asymmetric war they've been waging.That has, in many people's eyes, emboldened the Iranian regime rather than dismantled them.

I think one of the problems, Pierce, is that the Iranians don't think rationally.They don't think in a way that Westerners think.Any attempt to Americanize their worldview or the way that they will approach an issue is fatal on its face.They don't look at life like we look at life.like most of Western countries look at life.They look at it completely differently.

So for them, whether this takes 10 years or a thousand years, their goals don't change.Their methods might get more sophisticated.But I think the president's doing something that is the right way to look at it.First of all,he's prepared to bomb them, but he's also focused on bankrupting them, because he knows that if they don't have money, if their economy collapses, if the people get fed up with watching this government, this Iranian regime, brutalize its own people, murdering tens of thousands of them for simply protesting, and then making life miserable for the rest of them, there may come the moment at which the people of Iran say, that's enough.And they're the ones who, if anyone, will take down the regime and give the Persian empire, the Persian culture, the Persian people an opportunity to once again live free and thrive as they once did, quite nobly.

Final question for you, Ambassador Huckabee.

I really appreciate you coming on the program again.Israel's global popularity has been plummeting.in the last two years in particular, and notably in the United States, where now nearly two -thirds of Americans have a negative view of Israel, where half the country thinks Netanyahu should be arrested when he comes to the United States.As somebody who is based in Israel, who knows the Israeli people very well, this has got to be a concern, hasn't it?Again, my interview with the Hamas spokesman, one of the things he said is that, you know, However you want to categorize what they did on October the 7th, I view it as a despicable terror attack.He obviously views it as something else.

But however you view it, I questioned that the strategy had obviously failed.And he countered by saying, but look how unpopular Israel now is, suggesting that they had in some way provoked an overreaction from Israel, as many people see it, which has made Israel increasingly a global pariah.

Does that concern you?Of course it does.because it's unfair.It's unfounded.It concerns me a great deal because obviously there's an enormous propaganda campaign that is aimed against Israel and against the Jewish people.And I think that's really disturbing to me because The entirety of the number of Jews on the entire face of the earth is 16 million, half of whom live in Israel.

The other half mostly live in the U .S., mostly in New York, maybe Miami.But the idea that a people, a very small minority of 0 .05 % of the population of the world is somehow the biggest threat to the world, on its face, Pierce, that's crazy.I mean, that is the kind of thing that you just scratch your head and say, really?But they are up against a multibillion dollar propaganda campaign and a lot of money being spent in the United States on university campuses, on social media.

The bots are everywhere painting a picture of the Jewish people as a whole and the Israelis specifically, that is simply absolutely unfounded.And I say that as somebody who's been coming to this country for 53 years, since 1973, who lives here now as the U .S.ambassador and who interacts with the Israelis every single day of my life.And it is appalling to me, the reputation that has been thrust upon them.And it is ridiculously and horribly unfounded.

I just want the truth to be told.Israelis aren't perfect.Jewish people aren't perfect.None of us are.But the blood libels that are thrown upon them should be really something that every civilized, every thoughtful, every intellectually capable personevery knowledgeable person would say, say what you want about the Israelis, about the Jewish people, but these things that are being said, they're just not true, and they're demonstrably untrue.

Ambassador Huckabee, I really appreciate you coming back on the stand, so thank you very much.Thank you, Piers, always a pleasure.Hope to see you again soon.

Well, joining me now to discuss the Ceuta crisis and who is behind it is Alvise Perez, EU lawmaker and leader of The Party Is Over, and Miguel Mora, the journalist and director of Revista Contexto.Well, welcome to both of you.Alvise Perez, it's a weird story, this, to watch from the front.where I am currently in Los Angeles, because one moment you had 60 ,000 people pouring over a border in an apparent invasion, inarguably.And the next minute, most of them, 58 ,000, 59 ,000, had been sent right back where they came from.So it all seemed to be over very quickly.

What is your overview of what's actually happened here?

Well, thank you for inviting me, Pierce.Well, as you said, they said everybody went back, but their own police stopped counting the entries, so they don't know.Nobody knows, actually.There are still thousands of people in the city, and Italy still has controls on Spaniards, so it's not over.I think it's just false.And about Who's behind all this game?

Well, I was there on Friday, so I'm not speaking from a newsroom.And I actually think Morocco sold itself to Washington and to our friends of Israel as their wall in North Africa against Iran, against Algeria, against Russia.That's the deal.And because of that deal, Rabat gets everything, as you know, the Sahara, weapons, satellites, money, and pays for nothing.And then Sanchez goes toAlgiers, Hughes, the other side, and only nine days later, as you said, 60 ,000 people are in the water.

I'm not saying, of course, that America or Israel ordered this, God save me.Rabat did it, but Rabat does it because he knows nobody will punish them.So Spain is not playing this game.Spain is just in the table when they play.

Okay, Miguel Amora, welcome to Uncensored.What's your response to that?

Thank you, Pierce, for the invitation.Well, I surprisingly agree with Albici in his comment, in his argument.We are on the opposite political sides, but it's true that I think that Rabat has done it, has tolerated it, because they knew that Israel and the United States would be fine with that.I think nobody can mobilize 50 ,000 people, 60 ,000 people without the permission of the king of Morocco.That's unbelievable.So it's also difficult that Israel or America could have organized it, but everybody tolerated.

That's for sure.I'm sure the Mossad knew what was going to happen.I'm sure the CIA knew what was going to happen.So nobody told.Nobody told anything.So that's the idea.

I mean, everybody knew, nobody told it.

But what would be the point of doing it if so quickly the vast majority were sent straight back where they came from?What is the purpose of this?

I think it is a message that Morocco sends to Spain.They have done it before.It's not the first time they do it.Whenever there is something they don't like in the Spanish position,they tend to use migration to pressure or to blackmail Spain.That is a tradition already.

And there is also an element of hybrid warfare in the episode.Because Israel and America has been very clear in the last months about the Spanish disloyalty with NATO and with Israel, because we have to remember the Spanish government has been quite the only one in Europe that has denounced the genocide in Palestine, in Gaza, and was one of the first that recognized the Palestinian state.And it's the same thing with Trump.Trump is very upset with Sanchez, we know that, and he has been threatening Spain with cutting all trade agreements, cutting the tourist visits to the country.I mean, Israel and America have been threatening Spain for a long time now, and obviously Morocco is now a new ally with Israel and America.They have supported the Sahara Plan for the king of Morocco.

Spain had to do that as well.But we have to remember that Sánchez went to Algiers like two weeks ago, and he signed a new increment on the exportation of gas in the importation.So that's another fact that would have triggered the episode we live in.

I'll just say, Perez, the United States have responded viaTrump and J .D.D.Vance.Trump called it a catastrophe.So it looks like an invasion of a country by hundreds of thousands of people.

We know now it was about 60 ,000.J .D.Vance, his vice president, wrote on X, these images out of Spain are an unfortunate reminder of the consequences of mass migration and the radical left -wing globalist policies that have enabled the invasion of the West.You know, again, there are many people conspiracy theorists or maybe actual theorists, we don't know yet.But there are many people who think this was deliberately orchestrated, not just for some of the reasons Miguel put forward, but also because It is a very helpful tool for those on the political right in Europe to say, well, there you go.

This is the problem, right?Mass migration is becoming the big issue in Europe.It's completely uncontrolled.And until people get a grip on this, then we're going to have this kind of chaos.

What do you say to that?Well, thank you for the question.I'm a politician, a new one, but I still suffer a lot when death arrives to politics.Can I say something about death?We talk about numbers.All night, more than 70 people, some were kids.

I saw the picture of their bodies.They drowned at night because somebody told them the doors open, go, swim.And who did that?Well, I will say the name because nobody in Europe says it.Mohammed VI, it's his government.His police look away.

His influencers made the videos.Those deaths are his.And they're also in Madrid and Brussels.because they know who this man is, and they keep sending money and kissing his hand.So I'm very, very angry with this.And about who's, you know, and they call us

a conspiracy, conspiracy theory.No, it's not a conspiracy, it's not a theory, it's a pattern.Morocco has, maybe you know this, a national holiday celebrating the Green March, the day they pushed 350 ,000 civilians over a border into all Sahara, the Sahara.They're proud of this method.In 2021, they did it in Ceuta, and the European Parliament condemned them for using migrants, even children as pressure.And then what happened, and what USA says?

Nothing, zero.And they did it again, five times bigger.And this week, our Guardian civil detective Moroccan intelligence agents inside the crones and gendarmes moving people in trucks.60 ,000 people in two days, Piers.That's not weather, that's a tap, and the tap is in the real palace of Morocco.

Miguel, Alvise went down to the area.Many people think that he was whipping up a sort of inflammatory reaction, making things worse, not better.What do you feel?Would you criticise him for doing that?

and are radicalized people of Moroccan origin, individuals with names.I'm not talking about the community.I'm not that populist.I'm talking about the specific men the police identified.And you know what happened after.A minister of my government says that I was the one spreading hate.

Me, 60 ,000 people crossed his border.They threw bottles at a member of the European Parliament as me.And his problem is my megaphone.I think the arson is finished.feeding the smoke detector, as you said, in England.

Miguel, what did you think of what Alvise did?

I think the community took him back to the peninsula, and the people didn't want him there because they had enough with what they had in those days.It hasn't been only Alvise, some other commentators and agitators from the far right have gone to Ceuta these days, and they have also been sent back.So we probably have to think about Ceuta, about one of the European cities where the the life between Muslims, Christians, Jews, and all kinds of religions is better in these days.I mean, we have to see Teuton like that, like an example of good living between religions.So trying to be Islamophobic or to find here the element of religion is always And it leads to things like, if we are going to make a supremacist, end of supremacist speech, things will end like they are in Gaza now or in Lebanon.And I think that's on the way.

And about your previous question, Piers, about Europe, I think it's very, very relevant how Meloni, the prime minister of Italy, rush to condemn the invasion and to condemn Pedro Sánchez for not avoiding it.We have to say that the data are just the opposite.Spain is receiving less people from their borders than Italy, like half of it, and that's the The deportations are bigger in Spain than in Italy.And another thing that nobody's saying, which is true, is that Italy is regularizing migrants under the table, and as much migrants as Spain is regularizing now.So both countries are doing the same thing.The only problem with Maloney is the new far -right party.

giving up in Italy, and she's very bad in the polls, so she has to do that speech.And by the way, the only thing, the only victim apart the 90 people who have been dead in the border in Ceuta in this episode, I think it's the European Union.And I think this is very sad, how the European Union has divided It was clear that solidarity was the only way to resolve the battle.

Okay, Alvise, I'll give you a very quick chance to respond.We're almost out of time, but very quickly, what's your response?

Yeah, not only, I heard Miguels directly call me and people that they insult Islamophobes and far -right, you know.He directs a magazine called Context.Good.Here's the Context, Miguel.2021 European Parliament, 397 votes, Morocco condemned for using migrants, including children, as political pressure.The socialists vote yes too.

Were they all for right?Look, at some point, for right just means the people who notice.So you can publish that, Miguel, free.

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